/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2141452
this is all I'm going to be doing this summer

i need some work

>>2141135

Should I get a all in one printer so I can scan and print stuff?
Anyone know a good model?

So I decided I wanna give drawing a try.
I finally completed the upside down Igor exercise for the first time.
What do you think? Should I just do a bunch more of those or what?

>>2141539
I want a printer also, first thing I did was look at what inks I can get easily and cheapest.

it was Epson mainly.

(amazon) reviews of all printers are the same, some love it some hate it.

so its really just a case of getting best value for money.

search for whats most popular.
also best make sure it can print to the edge of the paper. some cant.

>>2141452
How do I into watercolour

>>2141380

How do you get that textured effect? I really like your style.

Critique is appreciated.

>>2141646
stop symbol drawing and take your time, draw what's there not what you think is there. Just look at the features, they're completely off. Compare the reference mouth with your mouth, her jaw is also too big in your drawing

>>2141650
Thanks, I'll try

I've got it in my head that if I draw on sai or photoshop without the help of a stabilizer, i'll get better with my digital line weights

am I wrong in thinking this way?

>>2141695
No rools just tools mane

>>2141708
sorry i was asking a legitimate question, i didnt try to make a joke or something.

>>2141721
Photoshop has hidden stabilizer. KYMG uses Lazy Nezumi for example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6d8fSCUu_Y

>>2141724
right, but im asking if it would be more beneficial for me not to use stablizers?

I current use SAI and my stabilizer is at 0

but I see a lot of skilled artists use higher ones.

>>2141708
>taking the quote out of context

Stop doing this.

>>2141725
I presume they had their share of line exercises and can produce good looking lines even without stabilizer.

Time sensitive! Have an uncle whos visiting and heard I'm into art, wants to take me to a Michael's and just buy me a bunch of shit since I rarely see him. I really want to get into oil paint and gouache but I don't want the poor guy to spend too much on me.

What do I absolutely need as a minimum to get started? I have no idea about anything related to the medium outside of the fact that gouache is just opaque watercolor and you need something for it to adhere to.

>>2141725
Tablet is not a paper.
>I current use SAI and my stabilizer is at 0
It's less than photoshop stabilizer (~3)

>>2141727
yes, thats what I assume too.

but im asking if it will HELP ME get better at getting my lines down if I DONT use the stabilizer.

I current DO NOT but I wanted to know.

I feel like maybe im not asking correctly and I apologize

>>2141548
Any advice?

>>2141731
is it less? I do find myself having a harder time drawing better in photoshop than sai

>>2141733

>>2141733
If you do something for quite some time you'll adapt to anything. Muscle memory, eh? I guess some tablets have differences with what you input and what is drawn so stabs is justified. Perhaps. I don't use stabs and even if I do use it has no difference for me.

im on my third day drawing and doing some practices from drawing books

how do i not feel like complete shit during the drawing and after if it looks bad?

>>2141646
The eyes aren't almond shape, they have peaks. This helped me when I was learning that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGMo4B8WqX8

>>2141742
You're going to run into that feeling CONSTANTLY for a very very long time. There's two things to remember.
>It fucking sucks until you actually learn to use your tools and techniques comfortably. When what you see in your head is what ends up on the page, you'll be more content. But you'll probably never be truly happy, no picture is ever "perfect"
>Don't lose sight of the fact that drawing is supposed to be enjoyable. Too many people get bogged down in it not looking perfect right away and get frustrated and quit. Shut your mind the fuck up, sit there and just put pen to paper. Draw whatever the hell feels right. And draw shit you enjoy too.
Also look into Right Brain switching. Tends to help me enjoy it soon as that kicks in.

>>2141742
The more perfect something is, its more aware of it's own nature.

>>2141746
Nice video, thanks!

>>2141753
He is very useful if youre learning, i recommend

wat do

>>2141748
>>2141751
Thanks, i feel like i look at the object im trying to draw more than the drawing itself and i end up messing up the proportions

>>2141774
stop being lazy, draw don't just sketch.

you know your problems

>>2141777
Happens to me too, guess its a milestone tiil we git gud

With the Igor upside down exercise are you supposed to just draw or are you supposed to use construction lines and stuff?

>>2141783
:C

Is it legal to save shit like this for later when my powers allow to conjure it from void?

Do you throw away your pencil when it's somewhat short? Do you prefer normal pencils or the mechanical ones?

better not continue this <_<

>>2141734
Keep going. Onto the next lesson.

>>2141834
meep moop moop.

what is the worst thing about this one?

I've been drawing stupid shit for my group of friends for a while now, so it's mostly video game centered. I'd like to branch out and get good so I came here. I'll post my 3 most recent things, hopefully that's enough.

>>2141880

>>2141881

>>2141834
>>2141879

now this is my kinda thing.

I want to design 50s cars.
tehres no way youre going to get all those lines straight by hand.
think you need to be rotating your canvas and zooming in to do all those little bits carefully.

Did my first study, or at least what I think a study is. Didn't do hair because I haven't gotten to that yet. I don't think I should bother shading since I only got a mechanical pencil to work with.

>>2141970
draw a horizontal line from the top of the eyebrow then see how off your ear position is

>>2141971
Thanks, never thought about that. This will definitely help.

>>2141646
the eyes are huge, the nose and lips are tiny. also the right eye is too close to the eyebrow. the shape of the eyes are off as well.

>>2141571
Nobody?

>>2142055
I like it, but I'm not an expert. Specially the pipes(?) at the bottom.

It's give up time.

>>2141973
You need to start from the start. Simple geometric shapes, trying to understand form. When you have that down, move onto still lifes. do a shit load of them, then move onto head lay ins, then asaro studies, then cast studies, then work on drawing people.

>>2141740
what am I looking at here

Does anyone have suggestions on how to add three dimensionality to drawings?

I notice when I do sketches that adding cross contour lines can turn something from looking flat and amateurish to actually looking decent, but obviously having cross contour lines on a finished piece can look weird. Is it just sort of sneaking them in via clothing and stuff, or is it all about shading? Are there other less obvious methods?

>>2141991
Thanks for the response

>>2141646>>2142067


i tried this one as well.

>>2141970
please draw what's actually there not what you think is there

>>2141921
yeah, i guess you are right : )

So after the Igor exercise should I look into the book "Keys to Drawing" or "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain"?

Where does one acquire the vilppu lectures?

I need vilppu in my life?

>>2142236
Pick either one. The choice is yours.

Is there any trick to getting proportions right?

>>2141746

Great video.

>>2141794

You've completely fucked it. Turn it upside down and draw the lines. Work out how they relate to each other in regards to size and angle.

The idea is you don't draw an arm or a leg, you draw lines. Because I was familiar with it already I struggled with that. Maybe find a different line drawing and try that.

>>2141973

Have you met my friend Andy Loomis?

>>2142233
u have owt finished?

What to do if u can't even get proportions right on pikachu?

>>2142349
you git gud.

(that means you practice. Google deliberate practice, nig)

>>2142349
Ive seen some people impose grids, some says it's cheating though

Ok, studied noses for a bit, tried my hand on improving the nose on this study, for anyone who remembers.

Feedback?

Beginner here. I'm going to try and post a drawing everyday to this thread as a way of making sure that I get some consistent practice in.

I'll post the first sometime later, feel free to join in. We'll see how long we can go without breaking the chain.

>>2142348
hmm not yet.
just doing these kind of things.
i want to get more confortable with the bigger forms before i go into more detail

What the hell am I doing? This is what I was able to produce in 20 minutes and it looks hideous. What fundamentals do I need to improve on?

The cup wasn't drawn at the angle you see here.

>>2142370
>what the hell am i doing

What were you aiming to do? What were you aiming to learn?

>>2142373
I'm trying to polish up on my fundamentals by doing some still life and anatomy sketching. I'm starting a 3 year Illustration course in a few months so I feel like I need to do a lot of improving before then.

>>2142376
>polish up on my fundamentals

I feel like casting such a wide net for what you want to work on when studying from life will give you the shits, thats why I asked you what you were specifically aiming to learn from that study.

>>2142377
That makes sense, I suppose light and tone is suffering the most at the moment.

>>2142370
make a schedule before your 3 year illustration course

focus on one aspect of the fundamentals at a time. such as doing a week of perspective only then a week of anatomy only etc
only try to apply what you learned when youve actually sat down to try and learn it

in those small increments when youre studying a specific fundamental rule have goals like one day learn about 1 point perspective and on ly do that then another day it might be learning specifically about the legs of the human body

ditch the still lifes until youve studied for a while then aim to do still lifes that relate to what youve learned

>>2142380
>light and tone

Looks like you're limited by your tools and how you handle them, as well as your subject matter. Print out some cube templates, fold them up and place them in an interesting composition on your desk before shining a bright lamp onto it to get a nice high contrast setup, then try draw that, using softer pencils so you can go as dark as necessary.

What should I be getting out of Fun with a Pencil? Are there better beginner resources for figure drawing?

>>2142393

For me Fun with a Pencil was more of an introductory book for construction, or building drawings up with simpler 3D forms. If you want something like that but more tailed to figure drawing Michael Hampton's Figure Drawing: Design and Invention is an easytofindonline book thats solid.

So I'm going back to study fundamentals and what not and I keep failing on this project, can I just take a picture of my hand because I've been at this for thirty minutes and my entire arm is just tired. Would that defeat the purpose of learning to draw what I see?

>>2142354
Look closer at the positioning and shape of the eyes and the angle of the nose. You're symbol drawing.

>>2142401
The eyes, for now, are just placeholders. I'm tackling this study one aspect at a time. This time, I worked on the nose. Next I think I'm going for either the lips or the eyes.

Deliberate practice up in this mofo.

Where can I get hard surface symmetrical sci-fi stuff for study?

i keep on messing up proportions when drawing from both reallife and on screen, making some parts bigger and some other parts longer

how do i fix this
been drawing 5 days now

>>2142445
Visual Measuring: The act of horizontally or vertically connecting different points of the body to correctly lay in proportions. For example if you were in a life drawing class what you could do is hold your arm out fully stretched and line up the pencil point with a part of the body. In this case let's say the elbow. From there you can hold out your pencil horizontal or vertical and match up other landmarks on the body to better determine if where you're drawing the elbow is correct. In much the same way you can also use this to get a head height and compare how long certain body parts are or how many head heights they are in distance. You get the idea.

derp

AGHHH SO AMI SUPPOSED TO SEE IN SHAPES OR SEE IN LINES
AAAAAAAAAAAA

>>2142437
watch this scott Robertson lecture,
tehres a few techniques but you can just kitbash existing sci fi bits and bobs, greeble stuff in a 3d program.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ7aaUVhGUo

>>2142519
what do you mean?

>>2142356
hello I tried doing this, everyday posted circles excersises. that didn't last long ;_;

>>2142519
First in lines, then in shapes.
The lines will support the shapes.
master the 2d before you master the 3d, nig.

Keys to drawing is so fucking boring ;_; I really want to just rush through it.

First time posting here.

I am afraid to fuck everything up with drawing head/hands.

>>2142520
I will watch. But I'm not asking for bashing techniques. I need accomplished master's hard surface work to s-t-u-d-y it's surfaces and symmetries, why this element placed here and why this element is placed there and so on and so on, i.e. everything that makes form believable, how to construct believable silhouette, perhaps even dabble in tone a bit. I mean, I tried to do my own hard surface by hand, but it proves to be mental challenge on itself. Perhaps works of perspective sculpt master can clear some questions I already have. I need this to deeper understand how perspective works on symmetrical surfaces.

>>2142565
that sounds like scott robertsons how to draw book.

so is hatching/crosshatching generally a pen/ink thing?

>>2142567
It does not have examples of finished work

>>2142562
>I am afraid to fuck everything up with drawing head/hands.

Unless you want to draw headless and handless beings the rest of your life you got to get dirty.

>>2142527
Well try and do more than just circle exercises, they don't seem that fun. Just draw whatever you feel like drawing even if it isn't much.

I'll post mine in a couple of hours once I've found some food.

>>2142583
okay then, have fun finding what youre looking for.

>>2142562
You have to get down and draw hands no matter how bad they are, you won't magically draw them good one day, you got to practice them

>>2142311 this is me and what Im doing hopefully daily

how to do this excersieese when the vanishing point is way off the page.

want drawing to take up most of 14 page, which puts vanishing point somewhere on my desk.

lines need to converge to this invisible point.

>>2142637
I meant A4 page, I am working on paper

>>2142637
that's the trickiest shit in the _entire_ perspective course I believe, you have to project them in your mind and draw lines that look that they will connect somewhere far away in common spot.
in time with exercises this spot will get more and more narrow

>>2142637
you have to use your imagination and guess

is this penis sexy

>>2141880
>>2141881
>>2141882
I cry because no critiques.

>>2142678
>>2142680

oh dear, I am not gud with imagination.

>>2142703
you have to study real settings to build your imagination

>>2142703
just draw a bunch of planes, find their perspective centre and then try to draw centre line through it towards imaginary vps of their respective sides
you'll notice that you will git really better at that after, say, 10 or 12 A4 filled with these

>>2142703
What you can do is draw a smaller rectangle inside your paper and put the vanishing points outside this box but you can't draw outside the rectangle. This can help you "imagine" what it'd be like on a regular piece of paper.

>>2142703
What you can do is draw a smaller rectangle inside your paper and put the vanishing points outside this box but you can't draw outside the rectangle. This can help you "imagine" what it'd be like on a regular piece of paper.

>>2141452
Requesting invite to the skype noob group that was mentioned in the previous thread.

Also looking for more noobs to try and get gud with. Want to exchange work at least a few times a week. If interested add me. Starting from the very beginning.... as you can see (pic related).

Skype: Crayne,,

>>2142703
See
>>2142767
For an example of what
>>2142733
Is talking about.

>>2142767
>Crayne,,
Stupid keyboard those are periods not commas

Skype name is: Crayne.. NOT Crayne,,

Something feels off in my drawing. Is it the trees?
Do you have any tips on how to add more depth?

>>2142771
ah okay I see.

>>2142763
you mean do 2 drawings, little one on scrap paper then use as imagination reference.

>>2142794
Yes, the paper would be scrap but it'd help you visualize the bigger picture. Sooner or later you won't need it.

>>2142356
Drew my hand as the first drawing. Screwed up on the middle finger as I realised that it was at a steeper angle than I first thought (I didn't use an eraser because I couldn't find one). To be honest though, it's probably closer to reality than my spindly index finger.

I'll draw something else before the day is out and then I'll do some proper exercises tomorrow.

>>2142311
>>2142614
I like them, some are pretty undefined and the length of the hand/fingers seem very inconsistent, unless this is something you're aware of and you're trying to create different types of hands, be cautious of the proportions. I'd recommend you attach them to bodies, though. Even if it's the figures are just gestural, and you're focusing on defining the hands, it helps to keep everything in proportion if nothing else. Drawing up a gesture and then creating several different hands for the one gesture is something I like to do personally.

>>2142349
Create the whole mass of things first. In this example start off with circling out the head and body, not worrying about the contour, and then attach the limbs, define edges and such.

doing some thumbnails because idk what to practice

>>2142818
that's too advanced an exercise really for a beginner. you really need to understand the hand first before you attempt to draw it.

read the sticky, pick something like loomis then do stuff from that and post them I think is best way.

>>2142685
I'd say he looks like a pretty rad dude, but not sexy

>>2142908
Thanks. I'll do something simpler then.

>>2142478
i likey

Starting perspective. I think picture is perspectively correct, no?

>>2142818
HOLY SHIT HAHAHAHAH FUCK

>>2142942
Yup, more or less a complete beginner. It'll be interesting to see how I improve if I stick with it.

>>2142818
i like your spirit. i think ill join you. here's to consistency and improvement, anon.

i did 20 60s gestures and another 20 30s ones - this came from the latter set. proud of the ones on the left.

>>2142977
Wow, nice. Gestures are something I was thinking of trying tomorrow but I've had difficulty with them when I've tried them in the past. Often what I draw looks like nothing in particular, let alone the actual model. Is it just something that will improve as I keep drawing them?

Glad you might join me, it'll be interesting to see the degree of improvement over time.

>>2142942
post art

>>2142991
yeah you just have to grind them out. also you have to visualize where your lines will go before you draw them - and to analyze the subjects before that happens. imagine the movement and where the weight is. its just as much a thinking exercise as it is a drawing one.

also thanks. heres another few, from a few days ago.

>>2142941
That's good, I recommend you move on to perspective with objects or things that don't connect to the vanishing point. This is where the real challenge begins.

>>2142977
>>2143026
found a charcoal pencil. works better with this paper

Have no idea how to draw female faces can I get a red line for where eyes and such should be

>>2143184
fuck did this on mobile didnt realize how many rules it would break

Critique please

Going to post some sketchs i did today, what do you guys think, and recomend i study?

Rotated>>2143359

>>2143366

>>2141452
AM I FEELING IT NOW?
1/4

Hello beginner thread my old friend
I've come for you to help me again
recently I've been trying,
to get gud instead of dying.
Recently, I've been learning color and light.
that's right
within the time of get gud

>>2143403
2/4

Why can't people spend 2 mins compiling their 14 images into 1 single image?

>>2143405
3/4

>>2143407
4/4
>>2143406
Sorry bout that

>>2141879
>what is the worst thing about this one?
it's not finished

>>2142095
One of the things you must always be conscious of when drawing is to see every part of the object in volumes/3D shapes. it's very subtle, but your brain readjusts to viewing your 2D drawings as 3D and it's like your pencil is feeling the forms of what you're drawing.

since you want to focus on adding more three dimensionality to your drawings, focus on studies that push you to focus more on volume and construction. life drawings, constructing planes of the face, perspective drawings, etc. anything you want to try, try it.

>>2142296
>Where does one acquire the vilppu lectures?
search vilppu on kat.cr

>I need vilppu in my life?
if you want to feel

>>2142519
you're supposed feel the shapes and lines man

>>2142703
there's this one cartoon that will help you with that. all you need is a cardboard box and imagination

>>2142773
>Crayne
I sent you a message on skype. at least I hope it's you. there's a shit ton of craynes popping up

posted this in the other thread because I am a retard
threads really stick around for a while on /ic/
anyway,
I feel I need some serious help with my facial structure, particularly a redline if anyone would be so obliged.
Before someone replies with draw from life, dont do stylization, I'm doing this to test myself, and see what carries over and what flaws have been emphasized.

>>2143184
>>2143186
you're thinking too two dimensionally
read up on some loomis, and study the structure of the face and head. Also, your face is not the only problem you have.

One facial feature per day. Today was lips, which I think has severely improved. Really feel like I'm learning a lot in this study.

What is your preferred pencil for general sketching? I'm using a Derwent Academy B and it's alright I guess but I have no real basis for comparison. If anything it's a bit soft.

How long should it take me to finish "Keys to Drawing" by Bert Dodson? I feel like a lot of the exercises I finish in half the time he says it'll take.

hey well it's something.

>>2143659
your computer chair has one leg longer than the other?

been buying cheap Chinese shit.

>>2143583
why do you ask shit like this? this isnt a fucking competition. you've finished when you've understood it and can remember and apply it.

How did I do?

>>2142941
hello I do not think this perspective is right.

things cannot be flat and in perspective.

also I dopnt know what I going on with those diagonal edge square step things they look wrong.

>>2143675
Great. Move on to the next lesson.

Also requesting to join beginner skype group, my skype is funnehchan

please excuse my 13 yo weaboo self, I'd like to git gud.

>>2143710
>13 yo weaboo self
*ahem* way to get yourself banned.

>>2143715
I meant thats how old I was when I made the account, thus it's name. Sorry. I assure you I'm of-age.

>>2143718
oh k my bad, need more coffee

Feedback? From imagination.

I don't really know what I'm doing here, how do I improve?

>>2143761
Larger value range.

1. Start your canvas with grey in the background. I use 80% grey.
2. Don't use pure white or pure black.
3. Try to use the whole value range. For starters, decide on the value of your main object, make the shadow value half of that.
In your case, your main subject (the rocks) has a value of around 80, so make your shadow value 40.

Trying to see figures as forms... pic related. Also have decided that I will not give up on something. If I make it and it turns out like crap I'm gonna do it again until it turns out slightly better (see top right corner... vs larger figure).

"This was recommended to me by a much better artist "Don't settle for your first attempt at a drawing. EVER. Always sketch it out multiple times, do preliminary sketches. Once you get a lot of skill then you can start considering doing things in one go, but for now repetition and never settling for your first attempt will go a long way to making you progress."

Also a bit of research has shown me that a lot of the pros and old masters do "preliminary sketches" before getting down to a final product as a way to explore and test ideas....so seems legit.

>>2143457
Thank you, I didn't receive any messages yet though so I think it might have been the wrong person. My skype name is Crayne.. with two periods after it. Like so:

Crayne..

My profile pic is a drawing of an old man done in ballpoint.

>>2143710
Request sent.

>>2143763
I'm really new to this, does a lower value number mean a darker value? Thanks btw

>>2143773
Yeah, 100 = pure white, 0 = pure black. Think of it as percentages, like 50 is 50% black, so a grey exactly in between black and white. Photoshop uses 0 to 100 on the brightness slider, but SAI has different numbers.

Studying/reading Drawing The Head and Hands. Thanks for recommending this book, it's fucking wonderful.

>Inb4 "it looks like shit"
At least I'm trying /ic/ :^(

>>2143834
CLEARLY NOT TRYING HARD ENOUGH!!!

Grinding more of the most basic of the basic. This time with circles.

>>2143834
Just so you know, artists who are actually any good generally do not say stuff like that. It's crappy artists who have yet to be humbled by the realization that they suck and need to actually put in a lot of work to become better.

>>2144038
You think that other anon "has yet to be humbled"?
I think they already know that they aren't very good yet. Did they congratulate themselves? Did they say they thought they were doing good? They did none of these things, they simply tried to deflect any blatant and obvious shit talking by stating that they were trying. They didn't ask for crit, they just posted up some stuff like the OP says, to prove they are trying and haven't given up.

Go make some art anon, instead of trash talking the noobs.

Whenever I try to do anything serious I start fucking everything up. How do I grind fundamentals without killing myself in the process?

When I just lightheartedly doodle something it looks ten times better. I'm trying to go through a few books but I'm not sure if I'm really making any progress. I'm not sure what I'm even trying to say.

>>2142940
^_^

>>2144102
I think theres somewhere inbetween where you aren't constricted by following someones methods exactly, youre having fun drawing but incorporating the things you've learnt into it.

>>2143834
someone should atleast explain to him why its ''off'', that would be the correct thing to do.

decided to drop loomis blooks for the drawabox stuff. just posting my first excersize.

>>2144120
There is nothing helpful to say other than to keep going. From that drawing it is obvious that bothering to post any crit would not be of any help. That anon just needs to draw and draw a lot at this point.

Also- if you feel someone should explain why it is wrong, why not do it yourself? I have explained my reasoning for not doing so.

>>2144133
cos I am retardation.

>>2144131
you should watch peter hands dynamic sketching on youtube.
he covers the same excerseses but with a bit more in depth practive method I think.

lines, waves, circles, ellipses, textures.
good excersises I think. if only I had patience to do myself.

>>2144131
neat here is one of mine

How's my progress bros?

>>2144148
is this meant to be rumer willis?

>>2144149
No it's a volleyball girl from Georgia

>>2144148
slow

>>2144148
https://youtu.be/NHewz3JbKrQ

>>2144157
what you mean what? techniques, books? Help?

>>2144161
he ment that your progress is.... well of the lesser kind...
But of cause it depends on how much time you have spent in between those two pics.

>>2144166
how far before I can get to a respectable and realistic level. Those images are 4 months apart

>>2144161
see
>>2141452
>Before asking "what should I read/view/study/learn," consult this link:
http://irishopp.hubpages.com/hub/how-to-draw-learn

and
>>1579290

>>2144148
Looks like they could have been done right after each other in the same hour.

>>2144168
>how far before I can get to a respectable and realistic level
I fucking hate that question.
IT DEPENDS HOW MUCH YOU DRAW!
But it takes a shit lot of time

>>2144171
that's the second person that says that; That means I've made no progress. I read a shit ton of books and can't improve wtf seriously I need to step up my game.

Day two. Tried some gesture drawing, it was actually quite frustrating. I aimed for a minute and all except the one on the bottom right (which is also the only one i'm half-way happy with) took over a minute.

Is this simply a matter of practice (this was my first attempt in a long time) or am off track somewhere?

>>2144161
it seems your rendering got better. but you are still symbol drawing. drawing what you think an object looks like instead of what it really looks like. cause those eyes lips and nose look funky

>>2144173
daily every single day - I apply what I learn from the art books / e-books i read

A question for 'seniors' in drawing, how many time you dedicate to drawing?

>>2144174
How often do you practice? How many drawings do you do in a day?

Reading a book is not the same as practicing.

Check this out... this is one of my earlier attempts at drawing (pic related).

>>2144180
This is me 2 months later, after drawing every day and pumping out hundreds of drawings and practicing and trying to get better. Again pic related

>>2144180
depends sometimes 3 drawings a day - I make sure I draw them well and apply the newly learned knowledge I learned on the the drawings

>>2144180
>>2144182
looks same

>>2144180
>>2144182
Now both of these are not that great, but I drew HUNDREDs of drawings in between them. And that doesn't even include sketches and studies etc.

Drawing every day doesn't mean you are going to progress, you need to draw a lot, draw several drawings and critically look at what you are drawing.

>>2144177
Can any of you guys give me a good anti-symbol drawing book? Link? help is welcomed

>>2144174
You need to really look at the reference, if that is drawn from reference. Working from imagination at that level is literally suicide.

Measure relationships between features and dont be afraid of cluttering the whole thing with lines and circles, those can be erased later. It's not like you are making a piece for an art gallery. The drawing will go in the bin or hidden away to look back at when you got good.

>>2144189

>>2144170
>>2144170

>>2144184
that is not enough drawings, especially not if what you posted is an example of the drawings you are talking about.

also either the books you are reading are not good or you are not actually applying what you learned like you think you did. it's one of those two things.

you should start with the basics, can you draw a box? can you draw a sphere? can you draw a pyramid? can you draw a cone? a cylinder?
can you draw them from any angle?

keep drawing what you want to draw on the side, but if you really want to try and get better start with those simple shapes and practice drawing them until you can draw them from any angle from memory without needing to look them up. then start studying from a book.

>>2144191
I used a ruler and everything. I guess I need to use more lines and circles. Yes it's from a reference

Why am i so shit?

>>2144193
yes i can draw simple shapes; but I make squiggly not perfect I use a ruler to help me out

>>2144200
show us, draw a box and a cone, from several different views (at least 3), don't use a ruler.

>>2144196
Then you really have to spend more time looking at the reference. Right now it looks like you plotted down symbols and tried to make the nose look 3D. Drawing from reference is like 99% studying the reference and 1% drawing. Also, the straight on angle of the face is terrible for a beginner. Harder to see forms etc. Try 3/4 views instead.

>>2144197
Is your dream to draw shoes?

>>2144197
Because you're a beginner.

If you use like sai, what should the resolution be for a beginner? I'm messing around with the settings but I can never find anything that looks quite pleasing. I'd draw on paper I guess but I'm currently broke and a NEET.

How do i draw clean, smooth curves without fucking up?

>>2144201
wait I have draw them here's one I did few days ago

>>2144140
oh i love his vid. i just have limited bandwith and what little left lets me do anything but videos. i just need to download his stuff.

>>2144042
What are you talking about. I was letting him know that the people who shitpost are the crappy ones.

In otherwords, don't take it so seriously because anyone worth his salt isn't going to shitpost all over a beginner.

>Go make some art anon
I do. A lot. I only come here to give my wrists and brain a break haha

>>2144254
So you think
>>2143834
Is a shit poster? Because that's who you responded to. I was telling you that this person is not a shitposter and is, in fact a beginner. Maybe you meant to respond to
>>2143844
Instead?

>I do. A lot.
Ok fair enough.

Tired of drawing lines and ellipses... tried to do some stuff from imagination implementing what I've been studying from loomis and others...

>>2144201
I hope my perspective isn't as fucked as i THINK IT IS FUCKED OF COURSE IT IS FUCKED FUCK THIS FUCK MY LIFE

...eh

>>2144304
Stop using spoiler tags as flavor text you fag

>>2144336
i thought it would hide my outbreak
last time I used that it worked

>>2144339
spoiler tags do not work on this board... I think you may be imagining things anon.

>>2141452
how can I make it better? It's all blurry ass shit, how do I into dat sharpness?

>>2144284

I like the middle one, anon, I think you're doing well.

>>2144348
I have little experience with digital stuff, but I would just various eraser sizes and colors to sharpen up the lines.

>>2144201
I don't know why it's so impossible to find wooden pieces of these shapes at my local stores.

>>2144416
are you looking in art stores? they might not be there, you gotta check craft stores anon, they have all sorts of stuff like this. usually in a variety of materials. check your local craft store if there is one near you. that's where i found mine.

>>2144421
I've checked random art stores as well as Hobby Lobby and Home Depot. I don't think I've checked actual craft stores, I'll look into that. Thanks, anon.

>>2143403
>>2143405
>>2143407
>>2143408
Anyone? Anyone? Anyone have any critiques or something?

Damn getting good takes forever.

>>2144538

>>2144539

Please send help.

How can I make these simple shapes and shades look less like shit?

This was done in SAI if it helps.

>>2144559
less chickenscratch, more confident strokes
try to actually draw a circle not some deformed round thing
use reference if you're not confident/good with how light and shadows work

>>2144538
Yep sure does, these are from imagination or ref? Either way pretty good start so far. You might want to check the length of your lower legs though.

>>2144559
Get the Scott Robertson - How to render matte surfaces vids

>>2143404
Could I get some help with this? my previous works have at least garnered some interest and got a few responses, but this one is giving me trouble. It feels both complete and tied together and deeply incomplete and unfixable at the same time. Since I believe in giving and receiving, I'll spread some love too myself

>>2143545
when attempting something like one feature a day, remember it'd important to render in as well. without filling in the value of the lips, and making them all one, solid line, you revert back to symbol drawing. I suggest drawing a bundle of lips. look at how they curve and bend, and thinking of your line as both the divider between the skin and lips and occlusion shadows. remember the form underneath and how it effects the way the mouth bends

keep these things in mind as you go through this and all the other features. keep at it buddy

>>2143721
your facial anatomy is very off friendo. you need to hit the books a little more it seems. the nose is far too large, and his forehead is much to big too. I recommend bridgeman for facial construction, his work helped me alot so I'm biased towards him

another tip when you are unsure about the quality of a work, try to flip it. since your brain gets into a grove on how you see things, correcting it in your mind and accounting from the natural slant you give when your right handed, reversing it brings up a billion small issues you would normally miss. To check, a lot of the old masters looked at their work in the mirror. I suggest giving it a shot if you feel like your work is off

>>2144603
Nice, honest, constructive feedback. Thanks a bunch, man!

scott robertsons mirroring rotated tilted place page 037-038 exercise

im confused, is it meant to be like top or bottom?

>>2144749
or this maybe

>>2144749
>>2144751
heres is the image from page 037

>>2144753
heres to final image on 038.

>>2144749
wat are you even trying to do?

>>2144757
posts 49 and 51 are side projections trying to work out the place in 52 55

>does this look like the face of mercy

>>2144559

You've incorrectly assumed the value smoothly transitions from light to dark. Look up a reference.

>>2144796
Looks like a face of symbols

>>2144809
Yes I know

>>2144796
nice trace

>>2144837
?

I don't know what the fuck am I doing.

>>2144916
because you are probably making it too hard... that's not necessarily a bad thing, challenging yourself is good! but if you are really feeling like you are struggling you might want to start like this-

draw a horizontal line on a page. that spans the entire page. put two points on that line. then draw an arbitrary vertical line somewhere between those two points. draw a line from the top of that vertical line to each of the two points. repeat for the bottom. you now have the information you need to construct a box in perspective. rinse and repeat a bunch of times until you have a lot of boxes all in that two point perspective.

once you've got that down start again. this time only place one dot on your first horizontal line. try to draw your boxes again freehand all facing towards and vanishing towards this single point.

>>2144927
pt 2

>>2144563
>>2144578
>>2144805
Thank you very much for the feedback, I'll get on that shit right away.

>>2144927
>>2144929
I have ~20 a4's scribbled with these lying around and still don't get it

>>2144796
Try drawing it upside down.

>>2144936
Hmmm ok... how about this then, maybe it will help?

>>2144971
son wtf
this guy can't even find plane's center correctly why listen to him

>>2144256
I wish you would use correct straight line guides before you go do a whole drawing on top of it.

they are off, therefore everythings off.

>>2142783
Your broken bridge/ archway is lined up too well with your spooky forest bench, does it need to run parallel across the page like that?
>Big ass scary trees need more roots
>there's nothing in between the bench and the scary mountain in the distance despite the image being so busy everywhere else

Just doodling some OC, not really practicing anything in particular. Would appreciate critique on object placements and other stuff. It's a super rough draft, I know -_-

>>2144986
But that is how you find the center of a plane.

>>2145019
I think he just means hes being lazy and its a bit off.

>>2144600
Here we go. That's that for this reference, as the paper is starting to shred from erasing, and my mechanical pencil is out of leads.

Thanks for the advice, it proved extremely valuable. I'm far from perfect as of yet, and I'll keep your words in mind as I go on to the next study, and the next one after that.

>>2144995
okay, i'll remember it : )
thank you

>>2144995
by the way, are you talking about correct straight line guides in terms of:
straightness of lines,
perspective correcness of lines,
or both?

>>2145057
both I guess, if theyre not straight they wont converge to the correct vanishing point.

your front surface is leaning backwards.so everything on that surface is off.

I'm doing Scott Robertson's How to Draw book digital, and I can see why it's way more beneficial traditional. I'm told it's okay to do digital, but the tools needed for traditional cost so much versus a cheap $75 tablet.

>>2145062
im on page 72 now, with nothing more than a disposable mechanical pencil, a rolling ruler I paid a pound for, and a ball point pen for heavier line weight. and an eraser for when I fuck up.

I dont know if the book will require more later on, but trying to do this shit on a tablet would I think be harder and you may not learn as much. its so much easier to place straight lines and pre made circles on in a program.

>>2145019
this is how you find
my lines are probably wobble but they are at least connecting corners

>>2145067
>and an eraser for when I fuck up

>>2145079
but I like my paper and don't want to draw the same thing over and over when I mess summink up.

a tree died for my drawings.

Does hypotonia affect drawing ability?

>>2145083
Wouldn't you be saving more trees if you had a tablet? Of course there is the whole, oil to tree destruction ratio. i.e carbon footprint.

>>2145083
>a tree died for my drawings.
A tree that was grown in a tree farm for the express purpose of being turned in to paper for you to fuck up. They aren't making A4 out of Redwoods.

>>2145067
>Using a pencil

May want to start all over.
Using a pen actually does make that big a differences, even if it's just for "practice".

What the fuck am I even doing? Fucking faggot ass feet god damn they make me angry as fuck.

>>2145122
>That face
2spooky. Looks like you need some Loomis.

Once again i fuck up my proportions

>>2145122
>>2145129
Neither of you seem to have used construction. Stop playing around, open vilppu/hampton/loomis and start reading.

>>2145122
dont draw thing that small, work on a bigger space

>>2145067
What costs the most are those damn templates. Otherwise, everything else is within budget, spending about $40 max, maybe?

If you're that far into the book, I'm surprised you haven't used a Equal spacing divider yet... which is needed to check your work to make sure everything is aligned.

>>2145232
yea those elipse tools are expensive,

ive just been measuring shit with my ruler.
i do have a couple of things to go back and do.

i`ll probably get a space divider at some point.

>>2145129
hq head on of the drawing
need it as a reaction image

First attempt at coloring anything digitally

>>2144967
Good idea, thanks

>>2145246

>>2145280
>>2145280
>>2145280

New thread.

Did some more gesture drawings for day three but I think I need to spend a lot more time with this exercise as they're not very accurate yet. I hope it's just a matter of putting the time in and getting used to it.