/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

posted in last thread. besides being too fast im told what else? when i slow down it looks worse to me.

>>2137107
pls resize

>>2137112
better? im stuck on my phone at the moment

>>2137107
One problem is that Loomis doesn't really explain the features of the face at all. FWAP is not actually a complete beginners book in a lot of ways.. Your problem is you're having a hard time following the form and proportions and one of the reasons that may be is that it's just hard for you to fucking draw, period, judging by those crazy lines everywhere.

I recommend the videos at the top here (don't go to the board though it's gay and dead - t. owner)

https://archive.is/PN8vX

You want to be able to draw lines and curves and ellipses like a real nigga so you need to follow Peter Han and then come back to Loomis after dicking around with Peter Han's lectures a bit.

was told to post this here... whatcha think?

Some Loomis heads I did. I was playing around with a brush pen so that's why some of the line weights are fucky.

>>2137132

Everyone here has been telling me a different way to learn how to draw so I just said fuck it and started to draw straight from life.

What should I work on?

I haven't drawn anything on pc for a few months now.
I feel dead inside.

>>2137150
construction is the best place to start, do basic shapes. Learn how to use basic shape to carve out features.

Tried outlining related photo.

My bad, resized.

>>2137150
lol
these are horrid.

>>2137179
>2015
>coming to a beginner thread with expectations

>>2137129
god awful. the worst thing I've seen in a long time. I hope for your sake you're younger than 12. no offense.

>>2137182
yes, expectations for a good laugh. anon delivered.

>>2137173
>>2137177
when doing things like this, I think it's best to reflect on what you learnt from doing this.

>>2137179
>>2137183
>>2137186

Unhelpful shitposting. Offer suggestions or fuck off.

ever personally feel like garbage

>>2137129

Even though I'm assuming that is from imagination, Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain will really help you.

Am I doing gesture drawings right?

>>2137150

http://drawabox.com/lesson/1

Learn the fundamentals. Make friends with the fundamentals. Have fun with the fundamentals. Spike the fundamental's drink. Take the fundamentals back to your place and rape them. Put your child in the fundamentals. Have the fundamentals sue you for all you're worth. Break down in court in front of the fundamentals and reveal you only did it because you didn't know how to reveal your true feelings for them. The fundamentals will burst into tears as well, but the judge will send you to jail for rape. 10 years later, as you finally leave the jail, the fundamentals will be there, waiting for you with your 9 year old son, Form. Love the fundamentals for the rest of your life.

Then get run over by perspective on your way home with your new family.

>>2137359
yes, those are really great!

>>2137121
I can only tell you why mine looked like total shit (worse than yours) and what made them a bit better: We are supposed to use circles and the like to construct the heads but in the "end product" no one is supposed to see that we used those forms except people who know how to construct.
Loomis says so when he talks about drawing Santa Claus at the start.

For example in most of your pics there are two lines which connect the cheeks with the nose. You redraw half of the circles you used to construct the cheeks. I did so too. But that is wrong.

Look at what Loomis does in the final step. It kinda made 'click' at the end and I knew my main problem. Can't put it into words though.

>>2137420
ill have to keep at it and i think i see what your talking about

>>2137129
Just for future reference: IC hates lined paper. Anything on lined paper is shit.

>>2137150
>Everyone here has been telling me a different way to learn how to draw so I just said fuck it and started to draw straight from life.
This nigga straight up lives the "just do it" lifestyle.

Practicing gesture for a week now. Here are some that I liked, am I on the right track ?

>>2137210

Here's one.

>>2137602
I actually clicked on that thinking it was a spoiler for a second there.

drawing on the right side of the brain asks me to get a lot of tools that are hard to source. is there an alternative book that isnt so demanding on the tools that i should use?

>>2137602
>>2137186
>>2137183
>>2137179

Fuck's sake, people. This is the beginner thread.

>>2137609
Lighten up, Mr. No Fun.

>>2137609
Don't be gay

>>2137107
>>2137121
This is as far as I got with loomis before starting the draw a box shit for >>2137122
reasons.

>>2137607
It tells you how to build everything.
Keys to drawing is just as good though, but requires a friend to model for you.

>>2137359
>tfw looking forwards to being able to do good gesture drawings

>>2137107
>>2137121
This is as far as I got with loomis before starting the draw a box shit for >>2137122
reasons.

>>2137607
It tells you how to build everything.
Keys to drawing is just as good though, but requires a friend to model for you.

>>2137359
>tfw looking forwards to being able to do good gesture drawings

>>2137628
>Keys to drawing is just as good though, but requires a friend to model for you.
>tfw no friends

>>2137638
Yeah I imagine that would stump most anons.

>>2137628
I never liked these loomis heads but god im really detesting them now. theyre literally troll faces. that's all I see.

>>2137673
2015 is truly the smuggiest year.

Practicing with colors.

Any Advice?.

Do you spin your pad in digital work? God-emperor Robertson's advice is to learn one stroke and spin le pad. Obviously spinning le pad every time digital sucks.

>>2137077
Which resources should I look at if I'm just looking to grind up my basic skills?

Like, are there any flashcards or something I can just mindlessly copy so I ingrain this stuff into my mind?

>>2137803
Ah *cough**wheeze*shift-click*wheeze*cough* whew, ex'cuse me, I cough a dangerous illness called the Feng Zhu.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=XYB6Ztgwd3M#t=248

>>2137808
wrong time you can see he rotates canvas when he talks about painter just a minute ahead or 2.

how if I have one square side do I work out where the perspective point comes from and where to horizontal lines should go to?

ie the surface normal direction if you were talking in 3d terms.

holy fuck this is hard...

>>2137824
sry, resized

>>2137825
Try to think in terms of planes. It'll help you get a better sense of the basic forms underneath, and help you understand how to shade organic objects.

>>2137822
normal is minor axis of ellipse that will fit into that plane
join receding lines to find it's vanishing point
to find it's perspective center draw X inside plane that will connect corners

I don't know how i'd take this further, any tips / crits?

>>2137806

>>2137360

>>2137849
erh.... i don't understand. how does that give me direction information?
can u draw please?

>>2137857
shit forgot attach

>>2137808
Damn. I need to watch these videos.

>>2137845
yeah i need to force myself to do that, but when i go straight into digital, i always struggle with underdrawing, and a good drawing would be key to think in planes while drawing.. any tips on this? should i sketch it on paper first? i drew a fuckton on tablet and its still a thousand times harder to make an accurate drawing to start with..

>>2137882
forgot new pic
i think im done with this here

>>2137129

please don't use lined paper
also your eyes are too far apart
and where are her lips?

>>2137153
The nose and the cheek looks weird with those shadows

>>2137282
I like the face, did you draw this from reference?

>>2137359
nice!

first time doing loomis

What should I do next? Start doing the linework or give it more more colors?

This might be a first fully colored picture from me, if I'm ever going to finish this.

>>2137882
I've seen a lot of artists have the same problem (feeling more control with paper vs digital), but I can't offer much help with it. You could try drawing a shitton of construction drawings digitally until you feel comfortable with it.

Or you might just be someone who draws better on paper. A lot of artists draw on paper then scan it in to color, and they do it for the same reasons you gave. It might just be how you work.

>>2137985
I'd say unless you're going to use lines in the final piece, lay down basic values to help you iron them out. Then you can jump into rendering.

>>2137913
>>2137282
I didn't, I tried to use structures to build a picture

Reposting because I accidentally posted it in the old one.

>>2132749
I was just about to ask this and it ends up being the second post. Neat. It's 5 days old and still hasn't been answered. Not so neat.

So, my gesture drawings don't look nearly as good as this fellow's, although granted I did just pick up the Vilppu Drawing Manual yesterday so I hope I'll get the hang of it with enough patience and practice. What I fail to understand though, is how to draw them "without contours" as they say, however looking at these drawings the contours seem very apparent to me. So I'm unsure what to pay attention to. My failed gestures generally fall into two groups; twisty stick figures that often don't well capture the action of the image, or drawings with attention to the contours making them really formless.

Absolute beginner here, been reading drawing on the right side of the brain. I've been doing some upside down drawings for practice, one is pic related. I did Igor too, are there any other pictures that are good for upside down drawing?

Can anyone tell me what I need to improve on this picture? Give me the cold hard truth, I know it needs a lot of improvement, I just need to know in a more technical sense.

On that note, I've been trying to find some glass / plastic to make my viewfinder with. I checked in home depot and rona but no luck, where can I get some clear material for my viewfinder?

>>2138209
I just used the glass from a cheap picture frame.

>>2137851
put a flower on her head, lying on her ear

Goddammit. Looks nothing like her.

>>2138209
>On that note, I've been trying to find some glass / plastic to make my viewfinder with. I checked in home depot and rona but no luck, where can I get some clear material for my viewfinder?
Take the glass out of a picture frame for the picture plane. Get a piece of projector paper (or any transparent plastic really) and draw a cross on it with permanent marker for the view finder.

>>2137857

Doing Loomis, drawing the head and hands, but for some reason it isn't clicking. It feels like my noses are way too high up. Wat do?

>>2138668
is this one point perspective or two?
I know how to follow the converging lines to find an intersecting horizon point like you have done.

I think maybe what I am trying to do could be 2 point perspective. how to find the second vanishing point based on the surface normal.

I will open blender in a minute and see if I can create something to illustrate better but maybe this diagram will do for now.

>>2138711
see in blender I can just extrude that face and it will naturally go back to its correct perspective point.

I want to figure out how to be able to know where this point is

>>2138682

Post image.

is anyone here left handed?
any great artists that are left handed?
is there anything you need to be aware of if you want to start drawing left handed?

>>2138716
There's no actual mechanical method for getting it perfectly correct in the context you describe, it's just something you gradually get better at making educated guessed with.
Scott Robertson's How To Draw goes into a few techniques on how to nail perspective grids if it's that important to you.

>>2138818
i think da vinci was lefthanded
or both handed

>>2138854
I actually checked and he was,now my other question.Can you draw if you are red green colorblind?

>>2138847
h okay, I just started scott Robertson. on page 29. then on page 30-032 he starts making large 3d cubes with subtractions.

>>2138857
i have heard of painters that were colourblind (i don't remember any names tho)

i drew slower. i still can't get it right. do i just have to go back to drawing lines and lines and circles n shit or what? i just want to draw pretty women.

>>2138988
You don't understand forms in 3d space yet. Learn some basic perspective before loomising.

My first attempt at constructing a face from reference. Loomis is love, loomis is life.

>>2138989
ive done perspective but i don't know where to learn it for faces. the books are just boxes in persoective

>>2138996
Not faces. Forms.
What helped me was to do the first lesson of the drawabox shit. It'll help with putting forms in 3d space, nigga.

>>2138997
thanks amigo. ill post again after some studying.

>>2138996
You need to learn how to draw the basic forms in perspective. I drew a shit ton of those blook balls with lines.

>>2139003
best book for 3d forms? i can do cubes all day but not form

>>2139010
I only recently started learning from books. Most things like basic forms and perspective are things I taught myself to do. The only book i read so far is Fun with a pencil. So, sorry i don't have any recommendations on books.

i don't even

>>2139024
>i don't even

that's the problem, no direction

>>2137985
Part II.

Am I doing it right?

This is a current WIP I'm having some fun with, it is quite early on and I would appreciate some eyes on it. I've highlighted the main bits I am aware of, but if there are any really glaring problems I would be grateful if you guys could call them out.

I call it a day

would need some advice anon

>>2139084
got this one too

>>2139084

>>2138888
checked

hey I could use some help trying to render this glow effect under the skin.

I've been trying for hours to get the very nice looking glow from under the skin but it's not really working out as well as I planned, so any tips would be great.

I'm trying to do the live-image drawing from "Drawing for the Absolute and Utter Beginner." Trying to stop symbol drawing.

How bad is it?

About 2 hrs into it. See you sometime tomorrow maybe.

>>2139084
>>2139088
I think the best thing about these is that they show you are willing to tackle big projects and that is a great thing.
I'll just briefly mention the things that I noticed right away:

First painting:
-main figure seems copy pasted from a completely different environment
-her expression and gesture are vague
-compositional problems make the eyes go darting in all directions with no flow. composition is very hard so take your time. just consider and try to simplify.

Second painting:
-I think this one has better flow and organization than the first.
-many forms appear flat (totoro, girl). this may just be a matter of putting simple shading/highlights in the right places. It's already happening with the small pink cat on the right.
-for a piece like this, I think that emphasizing the silhouettes of each element will make it far more appealing to look at. A simple example is the girl's red headphones against totoro's belly. I immediately look there and that look to be the main focal point. You can create this effect in other places, create some kind of hierarchy and "manipulate" how people look at the picture.

-for both, I think there are many basics that need work. so it may be better for you to ignore everything I said above and work on some basics first.
-e.g. try taking one main element of the picture and doing your best work on it. (e.g. only the girl) focus your study.

both are stylized and for stylized art to work, it has to look like you know what you are doing. they are getting there but not totally confident. but you already have that willingness to tackle hard stuff, which I think is really impressive. It will take you far.

Please excuse me for asking this here, but I don't know where else to ask. /r/ only seem to answer you if your thread is about porn.

Pic related is a parody of a piece of fine art (classical painting). I was wondering if someone could please tell me the name of the original. Thank you.

>>2139249
its bad, but keep at it dude you'll get better

try to be more confident and deliberate with your lines, i can see that they're really fragmented. drawing with shoulder movements rather than wrist movements will help you maintain long straight lines in places like the handles.

if you're having trouble seeing the forms try looking at the negative space rather than the object itself.

>>2139239
make a layer set to linear dodge(add) and use a brush set to screen at a low opacity and just build up the color

>>2139303
make a thread so that more people can see

I just found this buried in my PC.
How is it?

>>2139375
Cover image does little to make me believe the author has a sufficiently strong grasp on perspective to be teaching it to others.... that fish eye look is cool and all but it seems that not all objects are being properly placed or warped by that choice of perspective.

That said, I too am a perspective noob, I'm using perspective made easy and other books in the book thread to learn perspective.

>>2139375
david chelsea book is probably better.

>>2139386
I think I'll be sticking to Perspective Made Easy too.
Some glimpses into the book and it was a lot like those old learn-to-draw-x book where you have a lot of advice and shit but little in examples, exercises, and explanation of principles.

>>2139283
haha i felt kinda sad about my dawing skill when u didn't recognize mew on the second one, nvm thanks for everything i really appreciate yours constructives critics.

You mentioned at the end to work on basics at first, which things looks like to urge the most in comparison of my paints ?
I was thinking about anatomy and gesture drawing, i'm having hard times sometimes with hands for example.
The thing is i wanna be the most efficient possible during my 2 month holidays.

Will daily 5 pages of circle drills improve my circle drawing, or is it inefficient? Also, I've been drawing from the shoulder more and I feel my neck/traps tensing up a bit after a while. Is this normal?

>>2139439
Your shoulder muscles are developing because you're a never lift, you should stop to stretch and shake it out if it starts to hurt though.

>>2139457
Why?

Thumbs and hands in general make me fucking homicidal

>>2139055
this is pretty cool anon

>>2139474

Calcio fiorentino?

>>2139480
Nah, just a character for a comic I've been brainstorming. Before he was abducted by aliens, he was the local monster in the neighborhood rugby matches

>>2139461
Pain is the point of injury, if a joint hurts stop fucking with it.

Carpal tunnel fag here btw, ignored the tingling fingers for years and I deeply regret it.

>>2139061
some corrections done, help pls?

one of my older drawings.
I haven't made any serious progression when it comes to drawing bodies. Any tips?

in drawing the head and hands, Loomis draws down a simplified skull. Is this just for illustrations sake, or should I be able to draw this as well? His step by step confuses me.

>>2139601
post the newest drawing

>>2139631
Nevermind, he states that this simplified skull does not match the actual placement and shape of the bones.

Ain't that some shit.

>>2139660
i haven't done anything with bodies except few drawings on note books without a reference
,but i've progressed with faces quite a bit.
what do you think about my soviet soldier and Stalin drawing and what are your critiques?

>>2139688
I think you need to focus more on the construction phase, practice shapes and plan your drawings out more before doing the final lines.

going to work on this tomorrow/after I finish homework

This is sign. Another terrible day is coming again

Well I guess I got somewhere with it. Whenever I start doing a study it looks all fucked and I think it will never look good but after some time it ends up working.

Critiques appreciated.

>>2139806
ffs now I already see errors, always after posting and never before posting.

Tell me how to fight against procrastination. I'm so tired of fuckin gestures, photo whores,"from life" garbage and master studies. I don't have any powers to study anatomy. Sitting all days in four walls is killing me. Stress level is too high.

Eh. I'm trying to make a webcomic so I started some concept art but, eh.

>>2139887
why don't you ditch those meatbags for a while and draw some shiny hard surface

>>2139806
You gotta spend more time blending and paint with some more black. Try to flip the canvas a lot also.

Remember the face is not a flat surface but more like a dome.

>>2139912
Forgot pic

>>2139887
You aren't supposed to only be doing studies.

>>2139915
Critiques appreciated

>>2139913
I need money and skill. Fast as possible. People pay for meatbags, not for shiny shit.
>>2139917
I draw this shit from imagination. As you can see everyhing is garbage.
>should study fundamentals before anatomy AGAIN

Ye

>>2139929
>money
you can draw shiny hard surfacebags

>>2139915
You suck at drawing eat shit

>>2139887
Go back and forth.
And be like me and love fundamental work. I sure do love drawing fundamentals.

>>2139951

>>2139960
He's not completely right, but the drawing has a weird stiffness to it. The anatomy is off and it's like the guy doesn't understand 3D space. It makes the poses look robotic and jarring, especially with the guy on the far right.

He should practice gestures and anatomy more.

>>2139957
I don't trust you. Post ur

>>2139964
I was referring to his critique being shit, but yeah you're right

>>2139966
>ur...

my..... penis?

>>2139806
Nice job. It looks like you are grasping the process of rendering. However, it also looks like you are not comfortable drawing from imagination. It looks like you can match what you see, but aren't able to "see" it as a 3D form in your head.

>>2139802
>>2139887
You're gesture drawings are great, but it looks like you overthink your more finished forms. Take a break and draw stuff just for fun. It'll let you get out of that funk. I suggest drawing in pen. You'll do more drawing because you can't erase.

>>2139915
I see a lot of potential here. Two things to help you improve: About 3 months of figure studies ( at least 3 times a week) and think about confidence in your lines. You should see results after about a month or so of doing figure studies. That alone will take you out of the beginner thread. Confidence in your lines will come from doing lots, and lots of drawing.

>>2139966
jesus christ how horrifying.

I wish this was more fun

>>2139985
Thanks a lot, I appreciate it. Anything else?

>>2139996
Yeah, stop namefagging

>>2139996
I...
I don't know which one you are.

>>2139996
Alternating between figure studies and character drawings should clear up most of your problems.

How long it takes is up to how motivated you are. You could do it in about 3-4 months if you draw every day, or it could be 8-12 months if you don't really focus. Really, it's just mileage that you need.

>>2140011
>>2140000
Okay

>>2139966
>tfw right is actually better than left

>>2140037
>it got rendering so it must be better than animu

You are pretty much on the same level as the most pleb tier idiots gushing over Walter White portraits and Luvisi illustrations.

>>2139914
true, the blending isn´t exactly very fine.
I tried not to use too much black as happened last time but I think some parts do need a bit more black.
Thanks.

>>2139985
>it also looks like you are not comfortable drawing from imagination
I don´t know exactly how but you got me there. Some things work but some things just don´t. Especially realistic things. My anatomy isn´t really where I want it and I feel really slow. At least proportions seem to work mostly.

Here are some recent doodles from imagination.

>A neverending grind

im on project 1B on keys to drawing and i am having the hardest time

i dont know where to start

>>2140066
Which project is that?

>>2140068
honestly dont know why its so difficult for me

>>2140073

I have finally returned after a vacation (which I am still on) where I did not have much opportunity to draw. But I have this brief window of time to work on this.

>>2140061
The fold around the shoulder is a giveaway. You are matching the values, but you aren't painting them like you are understanding the shapes in volume.

Those sketches look a lot like some stuff I did a few years ago. I know the feel. Draw-- a lot. Every day, and you'll see a change like night and day

>>2140081
Pay attention to proportion. Look at the size of the feet compared to the head. Look at the amount of space between her waistline and her bent elbow. Look at how far her shoulder sticks out and draw a straight line down to see how it compares to her hips. Doing this type of comparison trains your eye to how to approach an image or form when drawing.

>>2140087
>Draw-- a lot. Every day, and you'll see a change like night and day
I´m trying to, I´ve already seen improvement, a lot actually and It´s like two weeks now since I started drawing daily for several hours. Worst part is that at some point I didn´t draw at all for several years. I could already be so much farther... Whyyy didn´t I do it...

>>2140096
>Worst part is that at some point I didn´t draw at all for several years. I could already be so much farther... Whyyy didn´t I do it...

You are literally me. I am you from the future. Keep going bud. You get dumped, but that only makes focus even harder!

>>2140087
>>2140101
Haha awesome. Thanks a ton anon!!

Let´s git fucking gud!
>But first I gotta sleep, work is waiting. Also I always see huge improvements after sleeping so that´s good.

>>2138818

You basically don't need to know anything. It does help though to start drawing from the bottom right to the top left of the page to avoid smudges.

>>2140070
First drawing using that book
Am i complete shite?

>>2140137
You are a beginner yes? Don't worry about whether or not you are shit at this point. Just do the exercises you find to the best of your ability. Worry about being shit after you've got 100 studies under your belt. Right now focus on output and building a habit of spending time drawing every day.

>>2140147
Whoa thanks for the advice

Here's some gestures from today, am I heading in the right direction?

>>2137568
Please respond

>>2137568
>>2140192
I'm no expert, but you're going over your lines a lot, try to spend more time looking at the pose and figuring out how the ribcage and hip especially is rotated in 3d space. This will help you plan out the gesture more, draw few smart lines. Don't worry about time, time is mainly there to keep you from over complicating things and going into detail.

Secondly, don't focus so much on contour - instead of shaping out the legs and arms, just imagine the bones, as you don't know anatomy yet (I suspect atleast) you'll later learn to build anatomy on top of the bones, forming out the contour. You haven't focused so much on this on some of the figures you've done which is good, just try to keep contour out of your head as much as possible.

I would shape out the hip and ribcage as circles/eclipses first. Boxes is also a good idea to practice emphasizing their rotation in space. When I do a gesture I start off with the head as a circle, the neck and then a line of action for the entire pose if it's a tricky one, else I try to image how the spine is placed. Then I circle out the ribcage and hip and connect them with C or S curves to show which side is stretched and which is pinched. The legs and arms I put in last and spend the least time on, normally just a few lines, not resembling their contour at all.

You're getting there, I always recommend Hampton's figure drawing class videos for gestures as it's the one I've related the most to. Just remember you have to figure out your own way of feeling out the gesture, as it's just a tool made to help you shape out the pose in your head and on the paper. Artists often have their own quirks for their gesture drawing, as it's what makes sense in their head. Because of this you should take away from as many resources as you can to get different approaches. You should atleast check out Vilppu, Sycra, Hampton and Proko's versions.

>>2137714
choose a solid light source and let that be the starting point from where your colors work. your colors are all over in this and the light source is indistinguishable so its hard to tell what colors he would really be. since you used vivid colors throughout , that means he is in full light, making the center of his body really strange colored. Light and color are two things that go hand and hand, and once you have one down, the other should come easy

>>2140210
Haha, a funny thing is that I am on week 2 of Hampton class, checking out the proko vids on robo bean and reading the vilppu book, reached the section that has the box and sphere combined with cylinders, chapter 5 I believe.

I'll give the method you've listed a try as well, It helps a lot thank you.

>>2139055
try your best to never burn or smudge, and never use black. there are really, really few places in real life where something natural is completely dark.his robes are a yellowy gold, but unless his selves are black on the inside your shading to heavly. also adding a better contrast of the smoke to the wall would make it pop out more and ground it in the picture better. great work though buddy, keep goin

shark week motherfuckers

help

is this shadow correct?

Anyone recommend a good anatomy book store how to draw comics books? Also critique much appreciated.

>>2140253
*or

/ic/, I'm not getting how you're supposed to use 2d references. Right before I thought about finding out what other people did when they encountered my problem, I was about to cut a papercraft prop similar to what I wanted to draw because the references I had weren't sufficient because I can't look at a 2d image the same way I can look at a physical object. /ic/ seems to be by the book and with the results I see here that's more than okay, but would it be worth it to go down this path my rookie mind is leading me, if only to see where it goes before trying something different? If not, how do I see more with less? Are good references often found only when thinking outside the box and getting references for things that are far-fetched from what the object actually is (i.e. something is sleek and smooth = use a modern car as a reference alongside a reference of what it's supposed to be)?

>>2140253
Bridgeman, loomis and vilppu. Think of it like this. comics are style and abstraction. To abstract, you need to understand what your abstracting from.

How do you find the motivation to wade through all the boring tedious drilling a beginner must go through?

>>2140299
by doing the boring studies and then applying them to what you want to draw

>>2140298
Thanks

>>2140305
np, from the looks of >>2140253 your coming along well. Keep at it champ and don't forget to study every day :3

>>2140218
Don't fuck up the values a-anon~

>>2140323
I'm crying right now

thank you so much. this is the best critique I have received in my life. God bless this board

some referenced heads

I always try constructing these from the ground up but I still feel I'm drawing the edges I see rather than shaping volumes.
Also capturing likeness is hard but I guess that's one of those things that come with time and practice.

>>2140336
He already has.

>>2140225
what is this method from? I don't get what im looking at

>>2137859
lol bottom left corner

If you are 25 and have infant level drawing skill how hard would it be to get to decent fanart (videogames/anime) skill level?

And I mean literally infant like drawing skill.

Is 2B a good beginner pencil? Or should I buy something else?

>>2140514
>>2140516

What the hell is with these type of questions? JUST FUCKIN' DRAW!!

To answer them; age is irrelevant. Read the sticky

You don't need to worry about any graphite pencils at your level if you're not sure if 2B is a good beginner pencil or not. In your case, if it's a pencil, it's good enough for now.

How'd I do, /ic/? Study on values.

>>2140595
Fuck I thought that was a real statue
Very neet

I'm seriously having REAL trouble drawing the Igor Stravinsky upside down even partially, am I just hopeless?

>>2140626
Post results.

>>2140626
Nobody is hopeless, try drawing an entire area first before moving on. Also are you listening to music or movies while doing art?
Distractions of any kind will fuck your day up.

>>2140516
2b is fine, get a mechincal pencil if you must invest.

>>2140514
2-3 years of focused study, the trick is not to move on from something until you've learned it.
Read the sticky, head to draw a box .com if you can't understand keys to drawing or drawing from the right side of the brain.
Intermediate art skills are easier than ever to reach with the plethora of online resources out there today.

>>2140306
T-thanks anon (•v•)

>>2140595
you dont seem like a beginner at all

>>2140595
Speaking of which, what are the best way to study values? Any good beginner books or excuses to help me understand values a lot more?

'ello fellow space pirates
how do I mirror sections to complete silhouette? all my previous attempts utterly failed

>>2140836
perspective or orthographic?

I don't know any other artists... so gonna commence tiny dump of my learning struggles to prove that I'm still trying and not giving up. Any input would be helpful. Been trying to intersperse doing heads without reference and trying to understand how they look when rotated with sketches from reference and breaking them down to simplified forms. It's damn hard for me....

>>2140857

>>2140859

>>2140860

>>2140854
I intended this to be pat of bigger 2-point but if you're seeing orthographic here then I have a problem I guess.

>even kids from furaffinity draw better
Looks like I learn nothing from Vilppu and Loomis. Despair.

>>2140836
scott robertsons how to draw is the answer.

first few pages shows you how to do this.

>>2140896
>even kids from furaffinity draw better

Why would you be offended by that? Most of them are actually really dedicated in drawing their fetishes, so they have a strong motivate in drawing.

Learning how to draw humans, then learning how to draw animals will help you greatly.

Came back to this again. Would like feedback.

How do I draw ellipses in perspective?

Not circles that become elliptical when perspective is applied but shapes that are already oblong to begin with?

>>2140918
draw them on top of eachother

...does anyone want to be my fucking art penpal?
I want someone just as determined as I am to self-teach with the sardonic demeanor of a 4chan browser.
We can bounce ideas/critique/motivation off each other and bug the shit out of each other when one of us gives into procrastination/depression.
pls respond

>>2140921
...wat?

>>2140923
I know there's a skype group of people from here, but it's awfully quiet. Maybe you can bring some spark into the group?

>>2140923
If it's not too late I'll bite but I am very new

>>2140925
i do have skype
>>2140933
give me a throw away email and then i'll send you my fagbook

>>2140936
Yah DEATH TO THE ENEMIES OF ALLAH is the skype name no joke.

>>2140936
I don't have fag book

>>2140936
Alright, let's skype.
What's the best way to approach this?

>>2140939
My skype is the one in the above post

>>2140936
Here, send me a email at
killabone6969 (at) gmail.com

>>2140907
Well, I had a idea draw pokemons (they looked very simple) for at least 10$ per sketch for motivation bump, but I was wrong. To draw "cute shit" you should be a professional artist, or girl, or furry degenerate.

>>2140941
just add me
if a bunch of trolls and weirdos want to add me i don't even give a shit i just want to learn how to draw

my username is myhairisfullofspiders

>>2140923
irc room on rizon always open

>>2140948
You learn how to draw cute shit by simply studying the fundamentals. How do your human/animal figures look. Post them.

>>2140949
sent a message, but no reply.

>>2140949 sent a contact request

>>2140951
Post your cute shit now.

>>2140925
Is it in the sticky? I don't remember seeing it...

>>2140938
>>2140949
requests sent

>>2140971
Nah, skype group was created by random anons who'd lurk here.

>>2140981
not interested in lurking... interested in exchanging proof of attempts at gettin gud on a semi regular basis...

but fuck it, do you know what it's called or how to add it?

>>2140982
It's called Beginner's Hideout

i've been attempting painting with the oil medium, here was my first attempt

>>2140991
holy fuck why is it huge

>>2140987
and how do you join it? I only know how to search for people on skype... not groups... doesn't seem to show up when I search for it.

>>2140991
First learn to crop and resize a jpg.

Then study Color and Light because you can't paint.

>>2140998
that was my first attempt, this one was my second is it slightly better than before?

>>2140998
i am however very interested in reading this book, thank you

okay i tried to resize it

okay i tried to resize it

>>2141007
a side note, this is my second attempt. is there an improvement?

>>2141007
>>2141011
I like it more than the first. nice one.

>>2140961
I wonder what kind of animal this pokemon is based off of.

>>2141002
just make more like real person head shape

I want to start digital art, but don't have a tablet just yet. What drawing software would be good for general purpose exercises such as ones from drawing on the right side of the brain and perspective made easy?

Should I just stick to a pencil for learning? I ultimately want to do exclusive digital art.

Something I drew a little while back

critique please

>>2141038
its alright, theres a few symmetry errors, if you draw a line down the centre of the car and and compare left and right. for example the bit under the headlight is higher on the left.

you should have some fun colouring it in now digitally.

>>2141035
depends really. obviously photoshop is good to have but not essential. you cant really do any drawing till u have a tablet.
sketchbook pro is a lot of designers choice.
lot of people like paint tool sai.
and then theres a whole host of others.

>>2141044

You mean I can't do any drawing until I have a tablet because I won't be using a stylus, right? Would it be better to stick with a pencil until I do then?

thoughts? Is the hand correct?

>>2141048
I tried it myself to draw with a mouse, it can be done for some things, by using say lazy nezumi or lazxy mouse features in software, and holding shift to get straight lines, or using paths to draw strokes, but theres no freedom there.

a hueon tablet isn't expensive these days.

id be studying theory and drawing with pencils tbh.

Question: On setting up heads, when you originally draw the oval, do you then divide it in 3 1/2 units? Or do you just draw the units and then make the oval around them? I'm having trouble setting it up so the proportions sit right.

Nevermind the fact that for some reason facial features are fucking impossible to draw without everyone having a sameface syndrome.

>>2141052

Thanks. I will stick to pencils for now, then.


This >>2138209 is my post, nobody critiqued it yet, could you offer some advice on what to fix? It was an upside down drawing exercise.

I've got it in my head that if I draw on sai or photoshop without the help of a stabilizer, i'll get better with my digital line weights

am I wrong in thinking this way?

When learning anatomy is it better to do values or sketches? Probably both? Should I concentrate on single bodyparts first or start with whole bodies?

>>2141107
Whole bodies. You can learn how an arm looks and become the master at drawing arms, but if you don't know how it is placed on the body and how it interacts with the rest of the body, it will look terrible. Do both sketches and values, but I'd say concentrate on sketches first while you're still new to anatomy.

>>2141107
You have years ahead of you of practicing so don't worry about the order too much. What you need to make sure of is that every study has a goal to it (Improving your sense of value, proportions, control, anatomy, on and on and on). So if you're working on the anatomy of the torso, make sure by the end you remember the anatomy of the torso. It doesn't matter if you rendered it really nice if you lost sight of the major goal. Eventually all the parts come together equally and you'll be able to pick and choose what weaknesses to work on.

Kalen Chock has a good tutorial about studies (paid but...you know, this is the internet) you should watch. Basically, when you finish studying something - recreate it from memory to see what you retained.

I agree with >>2141111 in saying to work on whole bodies. The human body is big on unity and rhythm, focusing on singular elements before the global ones will only hurt in the long run.

Keeping in mind that I was attempting to practice constructing the face and features and that I know next to nothing about value/tone, I have the following questions:

1. Some things seem 'off', like the left side of her jaw or the angle of her brow. Is there some trick to getting the alignment right or is it just a matter of getting good? Because I swear didn't notice until putting it down and coming back a little while later and now it's too late to fix certain things like the eyes and nose without basically re-drawing the whole thing.

2. Whatever you want to say about the drawing, it doesn't really look like the woman in the reference. I've had this problem before where people I draw look more like mannequins than the people I'm trying to draw. Any tips for trying to 'match' the source?

All people using Vilppu book, stop. Use his video lecture series instead, the difference is astronomical

Just finished copying Mr. Igor
Is Draw a box a good place to start?

>>2141163
following books also is boring as fuck

>>2140753
T-thanks anon

I posted an unfinished version of it in an old draw thread and they told me it was bad and to go back to the beginner thread, so here I am. I don't think I'm quite at that level yet, this is the first digital painting that actually turned out ok. I still feel like I'm copying more than actually constructing form and value in my work.

>>2140471
it looks like scott robertson

>>2140857
Draw heads from extreme angles looking up and looking down using reference pictures like the head you have by the question mark by, and then redraw the head from memory.

then compare your new head to the old head and notice the difference between them.

>>2140918
This sounds like mechanical perspective which comes up in How to Draw by Scott Robertson.

you'd draw the ellipse in a plain rectangle and mark the major and minor axes (the parts where the ellipse touches the rectangle). You'd then redraw the rectangle in the perspective you want it in with the same points marked on rectangle. you then use those points to draw the ellipse.

this is about the best I can explain it.

>>2137122
He's got a qt lisp

>>2141007
the fruit looks so real. good job

>>2140918
As far as I know we decide what is rectangular in and what is not when we establish horizon and station point which in turn sets in stone diminishment for rectangular shapes, so instead of drawing true square that obeys already known 45 degree measuring point, you can draw plane that defies it and draw true ellipse inside.

>>2141107
theses kinda poses are so hard to understand, I mostly try to avoid them, but that's only gonna make it worse.

will tracing make me a better drawer at all?

>>2141002
are you 5 years old?

seriously? either 5 years old or retarded

>>2140991
I think it's a cute painting, and i'd hang it in my kitchen

>>2140595
so you copy-pasted the photo on the right drew over it?

A character design experiment.

Drawing from reference. Tried to construct using Loomis method. I see it's off, but I can't quite see why. Eyes a bit too high up, maybe? Could anybody give me a critique?

>>2141407
nose is all wrong

>>2141407
I'm complete newbie to drawing but I guess it could use more detailing. to "sculpt" it out more.

>>2141411
I'm currently focusing more on the construction phase, rather than the fleshing out. No use polishing a turd, after all.

>>21414075
foreheads too small. the bangs dont match.
eyes too far apart. eyelids too small.
cheek too high and portruding out too much.
bottom lip too small.
too much of a gap between nose and upper lip.
the shape of the nose doesnt match. it seems flat. the bridge curves smoothly inward whereas in the photo it's more defined and ridged. the tip of the nose is too small too.

>>2141407
foreheads too small. the bangs dont match.
eyes too far apart. eyelids too small.
cheek too high and portruding out too much.
bottom lip too small.
too much of a gap between nose and upper lip.
the shape of the nose doesnt match. it seems flat.
the bridge curves smoothly inward whereas in the photo it's more defined and ridged.
the tip of the nose is too small too.

>>2141407
No clue about Loomis, but construction lines should be thin and light and not traced multiple times.

Any kind of rendering/outline/light&shade should be done after that so you can concentrate on measuring in your first step and exercise it properly.

>>2141380
I think it's awesome to look at and see that someone is trying to think outside of the box like this so good job on that. What I don't like though is that sense of 'why' I get.

Let me explain that a bit more. When looking at characters with unnecessary things on them I'll sometimes get a nagging feeling of why, but usually I can let it go. Such as too many belts on final fantasy characters. It's ridiculous and I ask why, but most times I can just look passed it. However with this character the huge winter coat only covering her midsection creates a much bigger 'why.' Since it is such an integral part of the design and pretty much the entire focal point it makes the entire attempt at fashion a failure. With the Final fantasy belts usually they are small elements that could be passed off as just flavor, tacky, but flavor. This, however, is the main attraction, the core element to the design and it just doesn't work because it's not functional at all.

>>2141419
Thanks, man. That's actually really helpful.

>>2141423
no more ridiculous than something you'd see at a modern day fashion show

>>2141423
thanks!
Maybe if i put more holes up the straps it would make more sence? so she could pull it up.

>>2141426
I guess what I should be asking then is what the purpose of the design is. Is it meant to be someone you'd see on the streets walking around or is it meant to be a fashion show model?

I've seen niggas wearin trash cans and shit on fashion strips but never in real life unless theyre OD'd on heroin

>>2141428
It's little things like that which can help the design. Some people will let their imagination flow and realize it's functional that way. I say go for it dude

>>2141380
why is this obviously for the cold but yet completely useless for it. I mean their upperhalf is completely exposed, along with alot of thier legs. more fashion more frostbite

>>2141432
See >>2141428

Her legs are covered. as you can see, its not the same as her skin color

>>2141431
I made a shamanic tribe in siberia, that lives in a diamond mine, near the gates of hell.
But im seriously concidering ditching the story part and just make cool stuff

How is this? I applied what I remembered of the planes of the face by Loomis, which I addmittedly only gave a cursory glance for now. Is it better?

>>2141444
the bangs are the only improvement. it doesn't look anything like the photo. the shape of the nose is way off.
you had a better base with the first sketch imo. just take your time and really pay attention to the features. erase if you have to.

>>2141441
the story makes it more interesting

>>2141452
>>2141452
>>2141452

New thread.

>>2141444
the bangs look better but the shape of the nose is still way off.

>>2141450
Even after seeing this?
>>2141413

>>2141441
dude stalking real thin stalkings don't help withthe cold

Do I store them horizontally or vertical? There is nothing writen on the package.

>>2137077
Noob here, critique appreciated

I've been drawing stupid shit for my group of friends for a while now, so it's mostly video game centered. I'd like to branch out and get good so I came here. I'll post my 3 most recent things, hopefully that's enough.

>>2141868

>>2141869

>>2141249
I laughed over that way more than I should have

yea

how do they look?

Why didn't you tell me loomis was so much fun?

What the fuck is wrong with me /ic/? I draw these balls and can make sense of the forms pretty contently but the second i go to make them into heads they look mutated as hell. It's causing immense frustration

need some serious help with my facial structure
now before someone replies with draw from life, dont do stylization, I'm doing this to test myself, and see what carries over and what flaws have been emphasized.

>>2143345
what fucking balls
I see white with a few grey specks
turn up the contrast on your scanner or something