/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I'm working on a comic book right now, it's only 8 pages long, I'm currently in the greyscale step, I'll post it when it's finished, here's a random page.

>>2104229

It's about a kid who gets lost in the woods while trying to find his dog and stumbles upon some hallucinogenic shrooms

>>2104229
I like this so much.
Neat use of perspective and viewer's guidance

>>2104229
Im also working on my comic
its published weekly and right now im in the process of making chapter 3 which is due two weeks from now.
The first experience i had was making a 14 pager, (from storyboard to completion) is around 3 days.
Since 3rd chapter is going to have 12 pages plus the cover, hopefully ill complete that wednesday next week. so i can utilize my other time writing a future plot.

Do you have any comics made in the past?
This is a gag that i made couple of weeks ago for one of the users here.

>>2104237

14 pages in 3 days? man that is insane, I'm really slow, I hope I'll get faster the more pages I do, right now a full page takes me around 4-5 days of hard work, with color and all.

By the way, anyone who is into comic/storyboarding needs to read this book right now, it's called Framed Ink, and tells you everything you need to know about composition for camera shots, one of the best ivestments I've made.

>>2104241

And here is the process from one of my favorite french comic artists, from sketch to finish.

>>2104241
My comic is more of a manga style, designed to tell a simple story rather than needing to look good.
In my knowledge, comics that have a good story to tell is worth more than a comic that looks amazing but with with a boring story.
V for vandetta, onepunchman, XCDC, political cartoons, etc.

>>2104247

how many hours a day do you put into it?

In my experience getting half a page - 2 pages a day drawn and inked is more ideal.

If your art is gonna suffer because of your output it doesnt matter if you have a good story. If it looks a mess nobody is going to read it.

Any samples?

>>2104248
about 5 i guess?
The gag i did about squidcunt took me 40 minutes.
> If it looks a mess nobody is going to read it.
ONE and togashi would like to have a word with you

I know I really should do my own comic but for now I'm going to focus on making some sample pages to try to get a job. After summer/con season, if I still haven't landed any, I suppose I'll finally start doing my own comics and just publish them online.

>chances for working for oni press: same as getting a gf

;_;

>>2104222
>not inking your shit
>speech bubble and fonts are too bright
That better be unfinished and you're "planning" on digital inking. IT BETTER BE!
>>2104237
I'm sure anyone could churn out 14 pages of copied characters, 4 panels. no background.
You're Greg Land-ing it and that's no good.
And what do you mean publish? Where? You're putting yourself over when you really shouldn't be. Hell OP is half assing it but at least they put in effort for original content.

>>2104270
Dont shitpost before you post your shit fuckbag
wheres your comic if you want to shitpost so badly

>>2104263
>chances for working for oni press: same as getting a gf

you mean like getting to know them and actually giving it a shot? sure

Would anyone be up for some exercise to accompany this thread? Someone throw out a topic or just a word and we do a 1 page one-shot based on it.

I would love to post what I'm doing, but I signed a contract so I can't.

Would post higher res if anyone's interested. I did this in my free time but still put up a lot of effort.

>>2104322
There are mangas of way worse quality that are hugely popular. Just keep a good story going and love will come.

>>2104237
>squidcunt

After all the training and Loomis spouting and coaching and advice and feedback and critique and help and motivation and resources and references and well thought arguments?

Here's a page from something should probably finish

>>2104338
...
goddammit squid
stop guilt tripping me
i only do that because you dont give me your rare christ chans

>>2104342
This page is hard to comprehend.
the fourth panel looks like shes morphing into a giant or something.

>>2104312
sure

Lets finish this story board
1st to 3rd panel: guy tells his story
4th panel: guy said something, probably a question
5th panel: victim said something stupid
6th panel: Trigger pulled

>>2104355
Ok, do you think something like a thicker outline around the characters in the fourth panel would help?

>>2104332
actually I tried not to make look like a manga, I take that as a failure though... any specific critiques?
I'm not exactly trying to go for a specific story yet, I'm just doing this for fun.
Anyway, I think adding screen tones is a good idea. There's too much white everywhere and I think it'd add some depth

>>2104362
true. I wasn't saying your drawings were bad. Lack of anatomy knowledge here and there. Too small forehead syndrome. Was just making a point that the guy i showed has an anime series already and is a top seller. Story matters more than art.

>>2104362
Manga come in all different styles.

>>2104322
remind me to try my hardest not to make my art look like this

>>2104242
>original scketch looks better and has more energy than the final

Mega fail

>>2104544

this massive pleb actually believes this?

>>2104250
Everyone's sharing so I'll just at least post something I sketched for fun.
>>2104312
>>2104357
I'd be down for a one page exercise, but I'd prefer to be able to make up my own panel and page layout from the topic. I mean that's really the most important part, fleshing out someone else's layout just makes it drawing practice rather than storytelling practice.

>>2104552
ugh
i hate comics like these
Comic based on real life with action panels is the shittiest and boring form of comics ever made.

>>2104572
Based on real life? I don't really get it, lots of comic are set in the "real" world like basically every Marvel comic.

>>2104544
Sketches always have more energy than the final inking. Not sure how that's a mega fail. It's just a necessary evil that every artist is familiar with, hence why an energetic sketch and gesture is so important, because the final is always a bit more static.

>>2104544
No, he's right. And it's not really because the originals are that great. The guy is just fucking terrible at lineart.

>>2104591
Looks pretty nice to me. Simple but confident and clean inking. Care to explain what's so terrible about it in your opinion?

>>2104599
It's simple, but it's not confident. The lines look sketchy and don't show form. It looks more like a rough sketch in "ink" than finished art.

Doing comics for a few years. Still cant draw.

The first two panels is about his new hot neighbour. They always "meet" on the balcony and drink coffee "together". Hes in love with her and in panel 3 he's like:
Hey, girl! Look! What do you think about my underwear?! Makes you horny, right?

>>2104634
Unlustig

>>2104602

>this guy doesn't get that it's done on purpose and that Bastien Vives is actually an elder god of comic

toppest of keks

>>2104552
Bump with another page, curious to see what else people have done.

>>2104703
I really like this.

>>2104704
thank you~
I was having a lot of fun drawing it, but I only went up to 6 pages.

>>2104655
Decided to look him up, and he's pretty shit overall.
Guess it's no use trying to talk sense to a fanboy, though.

>>2104703
Now if only i had PS

>>2104710
If only that's what he got lol.

>>2104589
Not based on "real life"
Drama with action panels.
I fucking hate comics like these
Its stupid and waste of talent

>>2104828
>Drama with action panels
I still don't understand the distinction.
Are you talking about how I used a close up and speed lines to show him taping the box closed?

>>2104358
I think it's the posture they're in on panel 4 that's throwing things off.

It looks like mr skeltal kind of fell backwards onto her sword instead of being rushed and skewered by Main Girl. Maybe change it into something of a leaping thrust with the skellington man being pushed forward, and since he's some sort of ghoul you can probably bend him to fit the force of the impact to show the action more better.

>>2104841
Imagine telling the story of big lebowski or pick of destiny with your comic
Theres just no appeal to it.
You need to read more comics from europe and japan and learn how they draw drama for comics.

>>2104572
>>2104868
you're not making any sense for me either. are you criticising the story? it sounds like you're saying the story is too lame or something.

>>2104868
>>2104872
I think what he's saying is that I made it look more like a movie storyboard rather than taking advantage of some of the more exaggerated ways you can do storytelling. I can do storytelling in more of that sort of style, but actually I approach drawing comics with the intent to actually make them look as much like a movie as possible. It doesn't appeal to everyone, some people really prefer the other way, and I like reading comics like that too, but this is just how I want to draw mine.
I might as well post the last 2 pages, if we're gonna critique and discuss it.

>>2104878
And last page. Things get spoopy.
Anyway I haven't drawn sequential stuff for a while and I'm gearing up to make some for portfolio pieces so talking about this and getting critique would actually be really helpful for me right now.

>>2104242
I think what makes his art work great isn't obvious in just one page. But onces you read the comics you just feel how right it is for the story he is telling.

>>2104880
ok if that guy doesnt turn into a serial killer or a zombie im not following this comic anymore.

>>2104896
He's possessed so he does become a killer, but there's no more to follow lol.

>>2104518
I would, if you actually showed any of it.

>>2104709
Not him, never heard of that guy before either so I looked him up too. He's pretty good. Really not sure what you see that's so shit about his art. You sound like you don't know very much about good stylization and drawing in general.

>>2104590
An artist who can't art just sucks.

>>2104655
>elder god
You are an idiot. Play make believe somewhere else.

I was doing this retarded diary comic for a while

>>2105069

>>2105074

>>2105076

>>2105069
>>2105074
>>2105076
>>2105079
Maybe it's just my retarded humor, but I had a good laugh. Great job. I also like your style, even if it could use a little more details/ anatomy knowledge. Keep it up.

>>2104312
this is really cool, I enjoyed it quite a bit.

>>2105057
>You sound like you don't know very much about good stylization and drawing in general.
Right back at you.
I see no redeeming qualities in that shit. It just defines mediocre and lazy.

Then again, we're on a board that thinks the automated lineweight in Sai looks good.

>>2104880
why is his face so much better than everything else you've drawn

WRITERS NEEDED
I am thinking about making a short, 6 page comic as part of my portfolio
Any ideas?

>>2104222
some pages of a comic i quit doing
pg 1

>>2105155
2

>>2105157
3

>>2105158
4

>>2105126
Can you post some of your work?

>>2105159
i got 26 pages done but I am not posting any more for now

I've been practicing with some panels, but i have yet to draw a single comic page :/

>>2105162
pretty funny

>>2105164
you need to start making them
when you make your first panel, then you will realize drawing storyboards and drawing the real thing are two things so far away from each other, you wont stop sweating everytime you draw your comic

So what do you guys do when it comes to making the paneling part digitally? I've been trying to muddle my way through in photoshop CS4, but I haven't found a solid method for either symmetrical paneling or the more dynamic paneling, and just trying to bully my way through it wastes time I could be using to tighten up the actual artwork.

>>2105164

>>2104241
source?

>>2105219

Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre

Was going to draw a boxing comic but I got too lazy.. I had some rough draft but this was the only two (nearly) finished pages.

Haven't even bothered to scan or take a proper photo

>>2105148
Depends on what you want to emphasize art-wise with it, don't it? Clear handling of scene choreography demonstrated in 6 pages is going to have a different focus in layout and writing than trying to sketch out and convey a realized fantasy world effectively in 6 pages and so on.

That said, keep yourself in check and focus on tightly done clarity over sprawling ambition. A simple, relatable emotional scenario (boy meets girl/character fails in following the path of their father or whatever and finds true happiness in their passions/coping with death or sudden life upheaval or whatever/stuff like that) transplanted to an original enough scenario (either through subversion, setting, role reversal, etc) to avoid cliche will always be a hit if done well.

Also, the last page either needs a punchline or a sense of closure, depending on the story that's written. Open-ending it, unless it's done spectacularly well, will look lazy.

And don't make it a fairy tale transplanted to a different setting unless you're absolutely certain it's your magnum opus and one of the best things you'll ever create, because christ knows we have enough of those.

>>2105131
I've generally spent more time practicing faces and heads, and on these particular pages I spent a lot more time on that panel of the closeup than the other panels. More than I should've anyway, since these were just supposed to be roughs, but I'm probably not gonna do anything more with them anyway.

Some weeb shit i did after watching the Steely Dan episode of JJBA

>>2105420
it's kinda funny but I feel like there isn't a strong enough connection somehow. Like it didn't have to be a burger place it could've been literally any scenario where someone randomly inserted a JJBA joke. If there was some connection to the series or a name pun or something I think it'd make it better. Just for an example like Sonic likes chili dogs so if you had some hotdog vendor make a Sonic joke it would make more sense.

>>2105467
Yeah good point, you can get a receipt literally anywhere. Maybe if it was a Steely Dan concert it would be funny or something. Thanks for the feedback!

>>2105475
>a Steely Dan concert
Yeah see, that already made me chuckle. And see you could have it be some kinda old couple buying their tickets because Steely Dan is smooth jazz and only old people listen to it, and then their reactions would be even funnier. You got somethin there, good luck with it.

>>2105285
>And don't make it a fairy tale transplanted to a different setting unless you're absolutely certain it's your magnum opus and one of the best things you'll ever create, because christ knows we have enough of those.

What? Why the fuck would you need to make that your magnum opus? There's a reason why basically every animation student takes a relatively obscure fairy tale as their graduation project. It's a great character design and story execution exercise and makes for a good portfolio piece, nothing more. Stop being such a fucking hipster for christ's sake.

My new comics out
Dont rate the art, rate the paneling, pacing and storytelling

>>2105489
The key word there is 'relatively obscure', ya dingus. The world does not need another twenty thousand grimdark/sexy/grimdark-and-sexy retells of little red riding hood.

>>2105934
>>2105938
Don't let all the coddle and praise and attention /pol/ is giving you get to your head, I know you get frustrated and feel burned out but you need to keep drawing from life study fundamentals, and apply what you learn onto your drawings.

Your faces are still flat, think about the surface of the form and how features are foreshortened.

>>2106040
i dont give a shit about the art
the thing that concerns me is the viewers guidance and the writing of the story.
I can pump loomis all over my comic and keep everything in one perspective but i know for sure nobody's gonna give a fuck if the paneling, pacing and the writing is shit.
Also stop being so fucking jealous. Envy kills the artist like cyanide

>>2106056
I like how you keep saying you don't care yet you keep drawing which is why I keep telling you things you don't want to hear like studying but if you listen you can achieve great things if you just put your mind into it and stop giving me excuses.

>>2106056
actually, vanity killed the artist.

dont reject good advice just because it comes off as an insult. what he said was %100 valid.

as for your justification... not so much. Why would you only strive for good enough? Why cant you practice good pacing and writing while also employing a good understanding of the fundamentals?

And just so you know... you're writing/pacing isnt even that good. you're just appealing to a niche community... at your skill level your comic couldn't stand on its own feet.

>>2106056
>jealous of that absolute garbage
topkek

>>2106067
>>2106072
shut up
stop bitching about art for someone who studied art half assed for 4 weeks.
What do you expect my comic to look like? Frank millar or something?

Also

>>2106072
All of the Seven sins are hypersensitive to the artist.
Youre proud, youre gonna plateau
Youre greedy, youre gonna plateau and be lazy
Youre envious, youre gonna be lazy
Youre angry, you cant focus
Youre sloth-like, forget about it.

Least affected is lust and gluttony. It only made you lazy and cheapens your art.

>>2106074
I can feel the butthurt though...
Wanna post your own comic so we can compare?

>>2106067
I like the way you dont post your rare christ chan so i can call you squidcunt and incorporate your avatar in my story one day

JUST
4
U

>>2106087
>>2106091
>>2106092
I love how /pol/tards always come here to make an ass out of themselves in the most obnoxious ways.

>>2106087
>half assed

There's your problem. You need to find an initiative, for example be able to draw your Christ-Chan from models to help you bring a more life like figure into your stories while still holding onto a stylized character without it looking jarring or unpleasant. One of the most important things in a drawing is the head since its features are the first things we automatically look for; an expression for example to set a mood or feeling this is part of story telling which is something you want to do.

We don't care how long you've studied or if you just barely picked up a pencil to draw for the first time we'll treat you the same way we treat anyone and that's telling you what you don't want to hear. Observe from life, start to understand the how and why of the matter and quit arguing with /ic/ you won't achieve anything but hilarity.

>>2106097
>we tell you what we tell everyone
generic crap

>>2106441
You're not a special snowflake.

>>2106097
Dude just stop. Some people don't deserve any serious advice. That guy is drawing the equivalent of an MSpaint comic for /pol/. He says himself he doesn't give a shit about art and no one outside of a handful of mentally ill faggots on /pol/ gives a shit about his comic, so it's all good.

>>2106183
>>2105938
>>2105934

Give it your all, it's what Hitler would expect.

>>2106056

I'd like to see more of Christ-chan. Is there a part 1 you could post?

>>2106183
I need to increase the pacing
/pol/ shenanigans should stop after chapter 5

>starts comic thread
>"Let me see your comics, /ic/"
>doesn't want criticisms
>"wheres your comic"
>"Also stop being so fucking jealous."

i want to do a a short story again but i don't know where to start. i thought maybe i should just make a tohou doujin to gain experience. what do you guys think?

>>2106556
Advice from a cook is much better and more constructive than advice from a patron.

I listen to experience, not things read from pirated ebooks.

>>2106562
>I listen to experience, not things read from pirated ebooks.

You and I both know you don't want to pay someone to instruct you on this related matter and you don't even want to invest on a simple sketchbook so instead you use lined paper on some of your work because you don't want to spend any money. We're all that you got whether you like it or not.

>>2106558
>pick your favorite manga
>replicate your favorite page, panels and all
>change the characters for the sake of it.
For example,
Zorro and mihawk change places during don kreig's arc.
Replace the entire group with the fake straw hats.

Whatever. If you learn something from that, its time well spent

>>2106570
It kinda sucks how me, a better cook have to listen to newbies pretending to be good.
its like fresh culinary graduates trying to coach gordon ramsay.
smh

>>2106571
no, i think i want to actually make a comic, not just practice pages. i've made shorts before (horrible), so the process isn't what i need to practice. i feel like i'm lacking more in ideas and inspiration

>>2106573
>smh
>that superiority complex

Okay Illustrat I know its you now.

>>2106573
Your comic is literally the worst thing that's been posted ITT so far.

>>2106577
>tfw all of these pathetic untalented scum telling me what to do.
>tfw im at least a hundred million times better than all of you
>tfw ill live to 148 years

>>2106581
U JELLY BRO?
Show ur work cunt lemme see how good u r

>>2106556
Not to mention that all the other comics that were posted in this thread are actually better than his.

Wtf is happening itt? Someone is seriously trolling a comic thread? And people are actually falling for it?? It should've been obvious he was trolling by posting /pol/bait, it definitely should've been obvious with "pay no mind to the art". Come on guys, how could anyone fall for that.

>>2106455
Your generic crap advice is still generic crap advice. Nothing of it is rooted in your own experience.

>>2106776
Get a life, seriously.

>>2104237
You''re pretty braggadocios for someone whose copying anime characters in four panels.

>>2104229
looking to see it done, very nice anon.

>>2104703
i remember when you used to post on /co/, nice to know you're still around

>>2107316
>still around
Yeah mostly on here and /v/ now. I still look over on /co/ once in a while but they didn't have any Batman threads except for once when I checked, and at that time I didn't really have anything I wanted to share or needed help with. I still look at the drawthreads occasionally too but everyone usually wants really cartoony styled characters and I don't really want to draw like that so there's just kinda nothing for me to do over there. But it's funny you say "I remember when" it's only been like a year lol
Did you used to post a lot in the Batman threads?

>>2106800
youre a pretty shitty troll to not post work of others and claim it your own before your shitpost

>>2104342
I'd recommend keeping her expressions consistent between panels 3 and 4. Idk, I assume she's moving super fast, and it feels a little jarring for her to go from super pissed to "I fucking hate mondays"

just my two cents

>>2104242
That's Dobson tier process

>>2108053
The second rough draft was the best one imo.

>>2105069
>>2105074
>>2105076
>>2105079
Dude, I love these, the simple and dumb humor genuinely made me laugh out loud, got any more?

>>2108053
Damn, you must be utterly horrible at drawing to have such an untrained, warped eye for aesthetics and draftsmanship.

I love me some comics. though im a super lazy shit who never draws any. here's a quick practice page or what have ya.

I'm spoiled by color lately. but what does /ic/ think of black and white comics like manga?

>>2108136
>dat milf

>>2108136
if the values and shape design are good, color is unnecessary.
doing some black& white would probably help you a lot tbh

>>2108136
Wow, I really like the looseness of this. I can't color things unless I get the lines all perfect and boring, I'm jelly of how fresh this looks, even though I find the subject matter kind of disturbing.

>>2108136
The technical aspect of black and white manga when it done by someone talented enough can really elevate the medium. In most cases I'd prefer it to simple colored comics but in your case I'd prefer yours. Its very soft on the eyes, super appealing

>>2108136

>practice page

>this is the only page

>there isn't any more to the comic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA1mbZ_MMh8

>>2108186
Now the question is are those panties belonging to a girl that's in hiding or is the son a cross dressing sissy?

We may never know.

>>2108154

what in the fucking name of the gods is this ? is miura giving up berserk just so he could start another series and come back to it 10 years later ? the fuck ?

>>2108191

>>2104321
get back to work then faggot.

working on a short western comic with anthro characters. this is about the ending where the main protag rescues a young girl who was kidnapped and she is reunited with her mother while the sheriff of the town congratulates him.

>>2104552
dude, your writing is too small.

>>2108685
This is pretty nice but it could be a bit more dynamic. The little girl's pose as she runs could've been a lot more wild, the mom's could've been more dramatic too. You might check out some books or something on "acting". Not stage acting, but acting for animation and comics.
>>2108688
I'm sorry. I normally don't write the dialogue on things I draw, usually just draw the pics, so I'm not good at gauging that kind of thing. The rest of the pages have no dialogue on them though.

>>2108685

>>2108723
Oh shit. I'm saving that one.

>>2108685
This is surprisingly well put together anon, just remember what >>2108717 said, once you go over your sketch with ink you will "lose" your gesture because a sketch has more lines than a finished inked piece does, so what you need to do is make sure the initial sketch is VERY gestural because it will accommodate the lost energy when you clean up the page if that makes sense.

>>2108723
OH FUCK MY SIDES NOW I LOVE THIS COMIC EVEN MORE

>>2108743
Your reason doesn't sound good. Either the (cleaned) outlines are created with dynamic in mind or not. The initial sketch doesn't need to consist of more lines either except if you want to find the form.

>>2108136
b&w stop being lazy and put more of your rendering to work fuckboi

less Gumball more Gooze (she looks really good in dom gear I was surprised boner was too)

also don't 10+hr stream the fuck were you thinking?

>>2108793

That's not what I really mean't;

Unless you ink all of your lines 1 to 1 there will always be "energy" lost in the process of inking; it's just what usually happens in the process of inking.

HAH
ive finished chapter 3, editing and all.
now only need to wait for monday so i can publish it.

suck it fags

>>2108830
>average inked artwork
>boring monotone line
inking is more than that

>>2108830
>Unless you ink all of your lines 1 to 1 there will always be "energy" lost in the process of inking; it's just what usually happens in the process of inking.

That's the dumbest fucking shit I've ever read. Inking can kill some of the dynamics in a sketch, but if you're good at inking, you're just as likely to improve upon the sketch.

Inking isn't simply about tracing lines, but about using lineweight to your advantage in order to show form.

>>2108830
I wasn't talking about that either. But to respond to that - then these lines were probably erased during later stages while you were still working in pencil. Hopefully. These lines have nothing to do there and get in the way for construction lines that actually matter. They aren't so much energy, but noise.

And as the other anon said >>2108927, if you can't keep energy, you still have room to improve your inking. IOW, you are still a beginner and still need to learn lots art basics.

>>2108927
>>2109027
None of you understand it. The reason why something that's just a sketch always looks more energetic than a final ink is because of two things - when sketching, your hand moves faster. Even the fastest and freest inker doesn't move as fast and freely when inking as when sketching, inking requires care and precision, and even if they are fast, they're still not making lines freely and instinctively, they're using the sketch as a guideline and refining shapes. The second reason is because of Closure or Gestalt; a sketch leaves a lot more to the imagination and is therefore more engaging for the viewer, allowing them to imagine more life into it, a refined drawing has all the dots connected so while it can still look lively, it's very definite, and the more defined something is, the less energetic it "feels". That's why a drawing from a photo can look more energetic than the photo itself.

>>2104222
1/2

>>2109281
2/2

>>2109281
>>2109287

Less is more. Holy shit read a book on composition.

>>2109294
what do you mean with less is more?

>>2109302
He's talking about the amount of 'stuff' in each page being packed together like that. While I agree it's a little much, I've seen actual published comics with worse.
While there is a lot of cramming, it's still able to be read fairly easily. The main detraction for me are the amount of word effects and unnecessary bubbles that you have. Abridging what they're saying and reserving the effects for important or dramatic actions would help out a lot. When it comes to panels, it's important to pick and choose what you think would be the most important ones, and then cut out the rest.
For example in >>2109281
Try taking out some of the word balloons and see how it looks. Does it actually add to the story to have all of those? Cover up some of the less important panels; does it negatively impact how the story is being told? Does it add to the anticipation at all, or does it just end up being filler?

That being said, despite that I don't speak Italian, I think it's a pretty okay comic.

>>2109294
this is paolo pantalena. he works for marvel and other big productions

>>2109324
ok, thanks.i will try this in the future.

>>2109325
I think this looks nice. Yeah it looks a bit cluttered but won't that get resolved once it's inked and colored? Do you have a pic of the final page to compare?

how do you guys go about doing storyboards? how many drafts do you usually go through until you decide on the final layout?

>>2109373
uhm, no.i just searched paolo pantalena comic page on google

>>2104880

I loooove how you draw faces and your lines overall. Did you have references for the characters or different expressions, or is it just exercise and you just draw it from your imagination?

"I want to draw comics as a job!"
>twentyfive years later
>I've drawn everything from scenery to portraits, but I can't fucking draw a comic page to save my fucking life
>not even copying it
>"i'm gonna draw some page and show it to that editor I know this june"
>me, january 2015
>comic pages drawn: zero
FUCK
FUCKFUCK FUCK

>>2109398
Thank you, anon~
The guys in the comic are based on guys from this show I watch on youtube, Continue?. I was trying to get better with portraits and faces so for a few months I would take people from various youtube videos and practice drawing them. I practiced these guys until I could draw them various ways from imagination, and then I started sketching out those pages. On a couple panels I did use semi-direct reference, like the 2nd on one the first page and fourth on the 3rd page because those 2 guys aren't usually in the show so I didn't get as familiar with their faces, but yeah that's pretty much how I went about it.

>>2109422
i cant "ew" any harder

>>2109447

why? seems legit
no cringe here

>>2109447
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>>2104222
Nigger, what are you turning Lain into?

>>2109422
Just to kind of expand on that, the reason I picked youtube people is because there was tons of readily available reference of them, and you could see them from all angles, with a range of expressions, and see how they all work on one mostly unchanging face, plus I could just pause if I wanted to sketch one face, then keep going and looking for another, so it actually works well on lots of levels.

>>2109294
You do realize that's four pages in one file right?

Welp from a pruned thread I suggested to make a 3 panel comic based on this.

>>2109505
the result

>>2109287
>mfw main language is spanish, can understand all this
the best

>>2109506
Gosh that's cute.

we low quality webcomics now

>>2109563
Unf. That's the best feeling.

>>2109417
>25 years later
holy fuck how old are you nigga
im 25 this july and i already made 3 chapters of TAOCC

>>2109563
lmao

My latest strip. I am forced to draw in sketchbooks in weird places like waiting rooms and bowling alleys since I amstuck there with toomuch free time,but I'mmanaging to tell the storywith some smalldegree of quality art along with it...

>>2109753
this is not a joke.did you ever tried to do white lines over black paper?because that way you can finish a page more quickly

Cover sketch of my unborn comic. The premise about a Goat kid want to take revenges to a group of humans who raped her Mother. After that event, Goat kid train himself on the path of Fury to prepare his revenge. 10 years later, Goat kid ready to take revenge to the humans who raped his mother. He called them Fury F**ker. Unfortunately, his targets now become influential person on the country. Fortunately, Fury's Revenge can't be stop by A-NY-THING!

>>2105162
dont be a tease whore and post the rest now i want to read all of it

>>2109753
kek

>>2105934
>.......
you really don't need a speech bubble for silence in second page and if it doesn't add anything it only cheapens the comic and takes away quality. get rid of it

second panel on second page should only have one "shhhh" because there is only 1 sound source. having 2 makes it seem as if there shoud be multiple. Also, consider illustrating your SFX to look like what they sound like. at the very least you can transform the text with PS title tool or whatever you are using to make a bendy "SPLASH!" arcing as the spash does around her face.

conversation in bottom left panel on third page doesn't read well. Seems to go merchant-christ-merchant-christ but is in fact intended to be the reverse. shift it so the first line is highest.

fifth page, last panel way too much text in a small space. it slows the pace too much and seems weird because the other panels around it take 5 seconds and this tiny one takes 10. half that line.

>*judgemental stare
no. get rid of it and let the picture tell itself. it's better that way.

>>2105938
>the parasite must've died that way.
>what happened? where'd he go?
reads in reverse again. in this mostly-vertical configuration topmost is read before leftmost. put "what happened" at the top

Overall, good screenplay. I like it. Of course, the faces are bad (and face/expression is reallyy important for a comic) but you didn't ask for art critique.

I storyboarded a scene once. does that count?
http://www.allisonperryart.com/ziels-contract.html
It's near the bottom of the page. Wouldn't mind feedback, tbh. It was my first time.

>>2111724
This is really nice. The guy reminds me of that comic strip Foxtrot though lol.

>>2104222
page 5, is the sister's eyes closed with eyebrows or does she have no pupils/iris

When i was younger i made some, but they were based on someone's. Comics so i stopped

>>2108195
lurk moar, fagit

>>2109563
The art was cool man, but... just change the wording a bit. It's comes of too strong. Good job though

Good work guys

Not exactly a comic just yet, I've been drawing panels without any real context to kind of get a feel for how the story would flow and work. It's a weird way to brainstorm but I find that it helps me flesh out key points or ideas. Also, I feel like my character has a bit of melt-face going on but oh well.

I have 9 pages of that if anybody wants to see

>>2118274
Literally nobody is stopping you. Don't be like that other faggot and stop after a tease.

>>2118365

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>>2118379
wat

I had never made a comic before but this was one of the most fun things i've ever done I think there's 5 total

>>2118559

>>2111596
?sex?

>>2118561
Aw fuck, this one is the second

>>2118564

>>2118565

>>2118379
Yeah wat

still awesome tho

>>2118559
>>2118565
>>2118566

Reddit will love this

>>2109506
text is hard to read, your eyes arent really drawn to the text bubbles.

try makes the text a different color maybe?

its hard to tell at a glimpse what you're supposed to read and whats apart of the scene as the outlines and text are both black.

>>2109563
haha I love it man, good job

There's a contest on DA: you can win 30,000$ by making a sci-fi comic; the deadline is 7 July.

Are you going to participate?
Entries (pic related, it won 3rd place last year) can be very stylized, so you don't have any excuses.

Here are details: http://madizzlee.deviantart.com/journal/LINE-Webtoon-Science-Fiction-Comics-Contest-539042860

>>2120096
Shit, this sounds awesome. I need to make some comic pages by then anyway for portfolio reviews, but I was intending to use pre-established characters... Damn, decisions.

>>2105162
Not the best art but I dig the writing. Reminds me of Slayer in a very good way. I'd love to read the rest!

>>2111596
This is amazing. Only thing is you don't need to explicitly label every single panel; we can tell a guy is dropping a torch if it's not in his hand.

I want to become a cartoonist. Do you guys have good advices for a beginner? Since im old (30yo) and I need to learn the very basic, I will do it for hobby. I'm thinking in make a webcomic or something like that.

>>2120096
pass.
Probably enter it next year

>>2120178
Learn how to make panels and put some stickfigures in them. Add dialogue.
Keep on doing this until youve mastered gestures and perspectives before moving on to real human beings/creatures.
I shit you not, the most hardest part of comic making are expressions, gestures, and perspective.

>>2120201
Thanks, bro. Perhaps do you know a good book for what I want?

>>2120336
Scott McCloud's Understanding Comics and Making Comics should both be read cover to cover. If you absorb it and do the exercises in the book, I can guarantee you will be decent, at least as a hobbyist.

>>2120342
I will do. Thanks again!

>>2118589
Ah well it was still sketchy, I was more worried about my shitty grammar but nobody noticed?. Next time I wont use my handwriting, which font could I use?

>>2120096
sounds interesting. but the reader poplularity part sounds annoying.

>>2120096
A guy at my job talked about this contest. If you go to the site and see what usually is "most popular" its all some strange combination of "anime" and Steven Universe.

My most recent shit is not very pretty, so here's something from when I actually have a decent amount of time to finish.

>>2118379
please tell me you are a native spanish speaker and that you use tumblr/behance/twitter.

You were they guy I was hoping for when I started reading this thread.

So, umm... I made this for a local zine, so it's two pages but i joined them to make a single file so it could be shared online.

>>2121286
well I'm not. and I don't use any of those.

>>2121260
you should hand write the dialogue. it looks cheap otherwise

Same anon who did >>2108685

/ic/ should really have more comic threads more often. Lots of great stuff posted! Keep up the awesome work guys.

>>2106056
I like it. Ignore these fools. To you guys dissing his art, look up Tadao Tsuge and Yoshihiro Tatsumi, 2 cartoonists who managed to get their points across with while not the best in the world, good for what they were trying to do.

>>2124021
perspective burns my eyes

>>2124306
Is it that bad?

>>2124408
I'd say anon is exaggerating a bit but yeah, your perspective is off on the buildings. Nothing I would panic over, but you might consider looking up some tutorials on how to place objects in perspective using guidelines, and practice it a little.

>>2120173
thx for the feedback anon. i figured better safe than sorry but maybe i can let up a bit on some of the frames. :)

>>2121260
The close ups are not that bad (panels 2-4), but you seriously need to work on the faces, needs stylization.

>>2104709
>not knowing about the short he presented to the Gobelins and which was the reason of his banning

http://www.catsuka.com/player/nouveau_heros_canalj_by_bastien_vives
A kid's channel held a contest to creat a new super hero for Canal J.

It goes like
-Hi little girl, I'm the new Canal J's superhero. So, you're afraid of the dark ?
...
click
Hey, don't worry like that, it's daddy

>>2105079
It reminds me of these dumb comics in the AX compilation, way too fun

hi guys i have some kind of issue

i can't visual the scene properly i mean i can see the pose after the inking my panel feels weird without figuring why
and that frustrating me a some point
ex
plz help me

>>2125097
Perspective, composition, etc. You have to study to draw things well.

This is the fist page of a comic i am working on, i never made a comic before but it is really fun.

>>2125309
So far I really like it. It reminds me of the golden age of Japanese comics.

>>2125311
First panel could use some work though, I think...

>>2125309
Looks good to me. No real flaws I can pick out, but maybe have the main character (?) in panel 2 look more frantic. He seems kinda chill. Unless the joke is that he doesn't see them coming and that's why he seems angry/surprised in panel 3.

>>2125311
thank you
>>2125345
He is supposed to know that he is being chased, i tried to make him look desperate.

Here is the second page, any kind of feedback will be of great help.

forgot to add my latest stack

I just cant make sceneries

>>2126088
i thought youre going to impress and scare the shit outta me with a guy using his back tentacles ripping off heads but nah, it just some faggot showing off.
I knew i cant expect much from this thread

>>2126138
It's a comic for kids who want to be edgy, parody like. But maybe I can make something more spooky for you.

>>2115586
is it

problematic?

Finally starting to draw after working on the story for a while
Doing some test pages on a4 then il redo them on a3

>>2126171
Looks good. The (indian?) guy at the end though is drawn pretty strangely. I'm assuming he is starved and skinny, but it doesn't look right. Maybe get some ref for his torso, and be careful of that left on the left being too large. And his arm stumps look like his arms might just be back behind the rock, they don't look amputated really. In the previous panel too the ear and his head read more like a big boulder than anything else, I only noticed it was him after reading it a few times.

>>2126179
Woops, meant "leg on the left" there, not "left on the left" haha!

>>2126179
>>2126180
Alright thanks buddy

>>2108053
Its like the more refined it gets, the worse the actual drawing gets.

>>2116721
looks nice anon

>>2126171
woah tumblr?

>>2104229
Liking where this is going, but I have to tell you that you're breaking your flow in the top 3 panels. I get that you're trying to show the kid coming down that hill to go over the bridge, but with him facing the opposite direction of the action (left to right) its not coming off as strong as it could.

Also the 3rd frame would be stronger if he weren't so close to the panel break.

>>2105069
Very crude artistic ability, but your story telling is and pacing isn't bad. Keep up the drawing, get better, continue developing your pacing.

be as harsh as possible.

>>2127528
Some disjointed thoughts, fyi I am not too familiar with Star Wars

- pelvis is too low on some of the figures (page 1 bottom panel, page 2 middle 2 panels)
- Page 2 top panel, the spherical object looks too undeveloped compared to the detailing of the other panels
- Page 2 middle panel right: the TSSHH is hard to see (doesn't pop visually like the AUCK does)
- Page 2 Same with the 3 toys on the bottom. They blend too much into the background and do not pop
- Coloring is overall very nice

>>2127528
art wise it's fairly wonky, especially the anatomy, but it'd be passable if the comic were funny.
it isn't.

>>2127528
drawings are static and lazy looking as fuck. layout is pretty solid though and so is coloring though. at least for comics anyways.

>>2126171
you're a good artist.
do you do commissions of any sort

>>2127539
>>2127544
>>2127551
Dunno what I expected. Asked for harsh an' got it.
Thanks,

>>2104229
>>2104231
did you ever continue this? Would love to see more. Please post somewhere I can find more of your art.

>>2109417
>>2109417
Maybe you should fucking get to work and draw some comics nigga

>>2121290
This is beatiful

>>2109281
>>2109287
Oh, si zio. Mi piace.

>>2125828
way better than the the first one you posted gj

>>2127627

Thanks! the comic will be finished next week, I'm coloring page 7 already, I'll add the dialogues (which will be in spanish, my english is not good enough yet) and I'll post it somewhere in this board, I'm thinking the draw thread.

>>2127503
>>2127574
http://garresh.tumblr.com/
Thanks, I haven't done any commissions but id be open to trying it out

>>2108688
I'd say his font is just one tenth of an inch smaller than regular comic book font. I do know that some books meant more for children like Archie's and Cartoon Network comics have larger thicker font than most other mainstream comics.

>>2104572
Despite your distaste for the use of realism, a lot of characters have a surprising amount of personality. I don't know who the fuck any of these guys are, but they seem like they've got stories behind them.

>>2104222
Part of a page that i'm working on, i know it needs some adjustments but watcha' guys think?

Today's work.
Sorry about the filesize, can't do much on the phone.

>>2129844
Looking good mate!

I suck at color theory, and I like the idea of being able to update quickly without color anyway. Then again, I'm not sure I want stuff to look too much like manga. What's a good western standard to try and live up to? Moebius comes to mind but it might not be a good idea to try and emulate this style.

Or should I quit being a pussy and learn to color?

>>2127826
tumblr, deviantart or something?
>>2130798
stop being a pussy and learn to color.
I personally nope out of reading a comic if I don't see any color. Or atlesat SOME color like http://adventuresofjonas.thecomicseries.com/comics/176/

>>2130920
I guess it's true - nobody wants to see colorless stuff anymore unless it's already popular or extremely high quality. People want their sugar rush of color.

Thanks for helping me snap out of it.

>>2130940
not necessarily... but if your work is devoid of color it usually needs something to make up for it. some stuff just works better in B/W and color just takes away from that. and some people actually prefer low key or monochrome stuff.

>>2130944
>some stuff just works better in B/W

Yeah maybe - but I'm being a chickenshit by avoiding the issue of color theory altogether and sticking to my B/W comfort zone. And color really does seem to make a big impact, especially in webcomics.

>>2130953
Ignore >>2130944
and work on color theory. Your just scared to get into something new, learning it will help you improve tons and make your stuff look way better. Also you could still use B/W for some parts if you think itll look better in B/W but still be able to have the rest in color because you'll know how to color.

>>2130970
Please. Don't tell anon what to do. He's the only one who knows what he wants to do and how he wants to push himself for whatever comic he's presumably making and for long term study. Studying color definitely can't hurt and it will probably help him in the long run even if he doesn't use it in his final work, but it's true that many B/W images work quite well as they are. We are talking about the final product here. There are people who prefer B/W. I'm one of them.

>>2130993
Assuming I don't use color, what sort of artist should I hold up as a standard to try and live up to, without resorting to manga? Or should I be a cheeky little cunt and just pay attention to a particularly good manga artist?

>>2116721
Here's another image out of context using the same character

I really dunno where to go with this

>>2116721
>>2131142
Brainstorm the setting.
Its in spess, there hoomies and robots, so its the far future.
The robot looks like a pile of rusty trash, so there you go, trashy looking sentient robots. Why do they look like rusty trash? Cos they´re from a trashy trash planet.
Make it a space hulk so large it got its own atmosphere.

The guy looks like trash too, but is armed, so he crash landed on a trashy space hulk and is looking for food and shelter.

Maybe he shot up the bot for scraps, maybe the bot got shot up by some fags he crash landed with. Maybe the bot is his Friday or I dunno.

Bam you got a setting.
The possibilities are infinite.

>>2131161
Wait, I got it

>>"A human male, in a very poignant moment of compassion, holds a stripped android fighter that has just been shot through it's transmission and power plant system during the fierce clashes for android independence on New Rome's production facility. Most humans were weary of androids and did not try to associate with them, but many impoverished assembly workers sympathized with their struggle for basic rights and some even took up arms alongside their mechanical companions during the bloody conflict. It is unknown if he survived."

>>2104322
Seems really interesting, anon. Are you continuing it?

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>>2104229

tumblr or source for your comic?

same guys as >>2125097

what do you think of this one ?

>>2104703
>>2104552
Love it.