/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2117683
>not using the elder scroll doritos loli as op pic

you had an important job and fucked it up

Hello. Please tell me what is wrong with this ANATOMICALLY. I know the lines are shakey and a bit uneven( It's a sketch and I'm using a touchpad.Not a tablet or a mouse.Kill me.)

Please ignore the right hand. I am not finished with it and I am going to start making a reference tomorrow for it.

Any other critique is welcome, but be aware that I know of the shaky lines and the thinness of the lines ( add lineweight!) I am only going to add lineweight when the drawing is correct.

Just finished drawing this thing. Thoughts any advice is welcome.

Tried to fix some issues with overlap and depth, but I think I'm just about done. Any major problems besides the hands not being painted yet?

>>2117811
shoulders and hips need to be a bit bigger proportionately to her head

this has a lot of potential, but next time less excuses finish the piece, just do it

wip
thoughts?

first time red-lining; hope i did it right
>>2117811
hope you can understand it

>>2117875
cute; perspective is a bit off in the legs; purple eye shadow should go all the way around, also you could even add stray threads on the sweater

>>2117918
good, colors lack bounce light but im sure youll get to it; left hand looks a bit too inward

>>2117811
>using a touchpad to draw
just kill yourself

>>2117995
that crotch is fucked. the original is better

>>2117974
Don't use a white background, white is the brightest light and having it everywhere behind hin distorts how colors behave

>>2117959
>>2117995

Thank you so much for the reply(and redline)! This helps me alot, I'll post results in next thread.

>>2118050
My tablet has got a mental illness, and the cursor goes totally crazy everytime I try to use the pen. I didn't draw for whole two days before I gave up and decided to use the touchpad.

sketch

i read somewhere around here, that you can draw boxes around objects to help with perspective problems. am i doing this right?

>>2118341
Now do it with her head too

*deleted the last post. forgot to add some text*

i read somewhere around here, that you can draw boxes around objects to help with perspective problems. am i doing this right?

would love some suggestions/crits on this before i continue

>>2118221
nice, the legs could be better though. they're also a too thick imo.

>>2118221
Your sketches are usually decent, but the line quality kills it.
Have you tried drawing the silhouette first? That might help you work out volumes before you lay in the lines.

Trying to figure out stylization without symbol drawing.. and not succeeding lol. Any tips would be appreciated, I've only really been a lurker before now

>>2118367
>too thick
You gay son?

>>2118491
>thick tighs
fucking disgusting. i blame kyle for this phobia of mine.

>>2118484
don't worry too much about it. just make sure your proportions are correct and the angle is consistent through the entire drawing.
and it's probably fine to draw (complicated) symbols every now and then, as long as the above conditions are met. in the end, those things you call symbols are just the shapes that you know the best. you shouldn't avoid them. they are what make your style.

>>2118491
Not that person, but they're lacking in a bit of shape. They could stand ot be a bit thinner. I've no problem with thick thighs, but those need work.

>>2118221
I really like the upper half (aside all the mess from erasing. Is her mouth sewn shut?) but the bottom half of her looks a bit ridiculous. Her thigh is like 3x as wide as her head. I know that's like your thing now, massive T&A, but I think it looks better when it's not so absurd.

>>2118367
k
>>2118384
how do you mean? Draw with a sillouette
>>2118518
it was actually some forced perspective, chill dude.

>>2118503
>Not liking delicious thick thighs

>>2118221
Looks to me like the butt is too low, and that boobs and butt pose absolutely isn't possible.

>>2118347

That technique only works if you already how basic perspective works before trying to apply it to free floating shapes in space. I'm not sure what you were trying to achieve with your perspective, but I tried to fix up your gesture, planting, perspective, etc.

>>2118527
you sound like a fucking asshole, really stop asking for crits

>>2118503
Thanks for the reply, I'll keep that in mind and maybe not worry so much about it

>>2118221
There's lots of movement which looks cool, it's just that your anatomy/perspective isn't fluid enough to match it. From the shoulders up, she's facing forward, but her chest is facing 3/4 right, and then her ass is facing left/out. In the red line I tried pushing her right (or left?) arm back, because she has this awkward movement where both of her arms are going forward. Remember that the pectoral muscle (where boobs are) sort of connect with the deltoid muscle (shoulder muscle). Her butt is really low, and if that giant mass isn't dress, and is actually her legs, try to imagine how weird it looks with her slim upper body and fat lower body. I wasn't really sure what you were going for, so I just drew a twisting motion with the lower body, that at least gives you an idea anatomically what it should look like.

>>2118638
yes. don't be afraid to play with shapes just because of "symbol drawing". in fact, you should play and experiment with shapes as much as you can.

What is a good digital painting/drawing program I could use?

Just finished this.

>>2118664
the hands are wonky as shit. check your proportions. her right hand has a huge and long palm and super short fingers.

>>2118667
t'was a bit too late to fix that. Ins't the left one ok though ?

>>2117683
sweet. thanks for using my pic OP

>>2118664
Nice. Everything looks good except for her hands. Palms are a bit concave, you should try to show that more + study more of them.

>>2118669
> t'was a bit too late to fix that.

That's what I said but quickly tweaking it isn't that hard after thinking about it, better ?

>>2118674
> Everything looks good except for her hands.

What is supposed to be so wrong about the hands ? I don't get it.

>>2118628
calm down.

>>2118647
Thanks for the redline, yea I got to keep working.

>>2118527
...I thought I was pretty chill. But anyways, I had no idea you were going for forced perspective. To me, this is what I saw.

>>2118647
>>2118701
But that was pretty near her canon proportions.

>>2118713
I apologize, the t'n'a remark seemed passive aggressive, but maybe I was being sensitive.

anyway, thing I'll take this to a finish, tried to push the figure back more, working?

Incoming faget

>>2118724
Best waifu

>>2118221
What character is that?

Should I use references all of the time until im good enough? these are from imagination

>>2118838
Keep it the fuck up anon.
/keep it the fuck up
mm dat style is gud

>>2118875
Even professional artists use reference, but yes, you can greatly reduce the amount you need by actually understanding how things work.

crits and comments welcome.

>>2118875

Generally you should follow this flowchart

>1. Attempt to draw something from imagination
>2. Horribly fuck it up, or in the event that you aren't a complete scrub find something that needs more work
>3. Find examples/references of what you need work on, draw those and practice
>4. Use new found knowledge to deshitify your previous drawing
>5. Marvel at all this fucking progress.

Using references before drawing is good when you're designing something and need a launching point, less good if you're using them as a crutch because you're too much of a pussy to dive right in and draw.

Generally at least. Art is something where you can make all the goddamn rules you want but you will find reasons and times to break every last one.

>>2118775
seducer lady

>>2117918
Gonna stop here.

Tried my best to get those hands right. I'll have to spend more time studying hands.

How does one do clean thick lines symbolizing eyelashes like in usual animu styles?

>>2118941
you are over thinking it bro just sqrawl line shit on the page to start with and then work from there. Painstakingly measuring, erasing, and then redrawing that hand the way you are is a waste of time. In fact just fucking look up an actual reference for both or look at your own hands in the mirror.

I honestly don't see how this can be so hard that it's going to take you three or more days to finish.

>>2118962
I get you. I did look up ref, but my understanding of how the hand actually works is still lacking. I'm guessing that's what gave me so much trouble.
I'll do better next time. o/

>>2118941
Your face is really nice and crisp and your body is blurry and ugly. Learn to be consistent damn it!

Sorry it's so grey. Phone pic, no room for scanner right now.

It look fine? Wanted to practice drawing a head in profile since I've always had problems with that view.

Did this within 4 hours or so for Bloodstained.

Any critiques?

>>2119121
head shape slightly wonky and ear probably a bit small. look at pixiv artists and study their methods.

I drew a shitty thing

>>2119216
Color/brushwork is sloppy. Try to separate the subject and background by using layers.

>>2119191
can't figure out what's going on with the front of her hair, but i'll chalk it up to style.
the only thing really bothers me is her right forearm. it's way too long. i would keep her right hand in the same spot and adjust the angle of her upper arm.

>>2118941
What art program did you use?

I'm fucking terrible with female's faces.
It's absolutly nightmarish to attempt to make them beautiful.

This project was on hold for awhile while I did some freelancing, and I should finish it now, I guess.

>>2119573
/3/ said she looks like a tranny, so i'm somewhat lost cuz I thought she looked very girly

>>2119573
>>2119576
She looks good and girly to me. /3/ is trolling you or jealous

>>2119573
>>2119576
She looks fine to me, too.

>>2119573
>>2119576
her browridge seems maybe a little masculine. maybe soften that protrusion just a bit? especially at the sides. your eyesockets may be the problem. look up some references

>>2119573
what's the deal with the non existent eyelid crease? also, she's a qt, way to go, anon.

>>2119576
Bitches love bikes.

>>2119576
i think her nose was better when you posted it weeks ago, isn't it smaller now?
the middle model shows the nose so shapped that semes to be a pig, eyebrows curvature is so exagerated and high that it seems not realistic,, you should make less ball-like the boobs, booobs are not shaped like fucking balls, not even with bras

>>2119645
MY EYES

Dude why. I love the linework but what is this. This actually doesn't need too much digital work , use some colous that are easier on the eyes and some subtle textures.

>>2119121
I don't know what exact style this is. You probably should check from what anime you are copying, not draw some weird abstractions/averages as a beginner.

>>2119121
she's got a mega underbite.

Push that bottom lip and jaw backwards, pull the nose forward a little bit. Raise your eyes a bit.

>>2119651

>eyebrows curvature is so exagerated and high that it seems not realistic

But anon, I believe that's supposed to be cartoony /stylized and all...

>>2119573
>>2119629
>non existent eyelid crease

I think it exists in the image, but it's really soften out due to stylization

>>2119659

I'm colorizing now, I just threw it on a nice bright color for shits and giggles. That hue of purple looks crazy on my laptop screen if you change the angle that you're viewing it at slightly.

>w/out that crazy purpzz

>>2119704

Progress

Lazy doodle vomit.

Whenever I try to paint without any drawing or idea beforehand it comes out stiff and shitty but it's so fun.

>>2119455
Photoshop

>>2119736
I look forward to one day being able to make "lazy doodle vomit" that looks this good.

>>2119733

callin' it quits for now

>>2119736
The head is flattened just use the transform tool like this until it looks better and fix it (paint over the head again).

>>2119736
>>2119788
I agree with this guy, the face does look rlly flat
Also though, the arm looks a bit too big/unwieldly (I understand its metal on fabric, but the weight doesnt feel right, like where it would sag)--the elbow area should be a bit higher up
And the legs just look awkward in that placement, it doesnt look it the legs are supporting her weight. And I think the perspective is off as well as the feet being unbalanced on the floor in the purgatory she's in.
The colors and "rendering" look great so far though, how do u get that sort of dry brush look on your strokes? just patting the color on or is it a texture filter on the brush?

This dude needs to be taller. What need to change?

Red or blue?

posted on a /v/ drawthread, I know about the hands

(character is Blanc from Neptunia)

>>2119860
holy FUCK the hands

>>2119859

Red would be a better match with Southern American countries and Latino culture.

At least, that's what I think you're going for, usually salsa dancers wear flowers in their hair.

>>2119778

>>2119910
you know the whole hoodie part? instead of grey, try making it black. (leave the neon alone) i think that would make this perfect. face color optional, but i think black or white would be nice.

>>2119920

Nah black/dark gray looks like garbage because all the line work is black.

I like the see-through hoodie though, makes him look more mystical. Here's another version.

>>2119860
That is adorable overall, but those hands are seriously unsettling. They remind me of medical gloves filled with water. That said, good on you for giving the hands a shot anyway and not avoiding them! Keep practicing, and you'll get the hang of it eventually.

By the way, at first I wasn't sure what she was holding, but is that a GBA in her hands? Also, do you have a tumblr or DA or something else where you post art?

>>2119930
fair enough, it would probably be a pain to fix all those details with a black hoodie. that second version is perfect. great work dude.

>>2119950

Thank you! I have 2 more characters that sort of go with this guy that I'm going to try to bang out tomorrow. Posted the line art in the last thread(s).

I'm pretty new to digital so this is how I dip my toes.

working on some black n white landscape stuff..
>Non-ruler (obviously)

>>2119958
More stuff

I wanna stick in some texture into these..

Is this too rough for a request?
Wasn't liking the one I did before.

>>2119942
Thanks Anon. Yeah, I feel like there are no structures for even the bones to fit in, but I had to give them a shot. And yeah, it's a GBA she's holding.

Nah, got no Tumblr/dA. I don't like those sites.

>>2119761
I don't think it'll be far off for you anon, I'm at a very achievable level currently.

>>2119788
>>2119797
Aw shit I definitely see what you guys mean about the head/proportions/perspective. I actually think the angle is alright but I definitely struggle with rendering stylized features, that might be the major flaw but I also really like how your transform edit looks I'm going to keep that in mind. I mostly used a chalky brush but I do lay my strokes on top of each other.

Trying to do this from imagination, what is fucked up?

>>2119208
>>2119685

Thanks. I did think the jaw looked a little off but couldn't really figure out how.

>>2120014
try constructing the head as a box in perspective, then place a second box on the front for the nose. When you see that, you'll realise how badly you skewed the nose to the right. the left eye is also too wide, it should be turning away from us but it actually looks wider than the one facing us. Basically, you have to learn perspective and then apply it to your work.

>>2120014
Eyes, mouth and neck placement, face looks flat and ears are too small. Overall needs moar loomis.

Here's a guy a whipped up a few weeks ago,
I'm mainly a black and white/monotone artist, I like to bend limbs but still keep some reality in check.
Thoughts?

>>2120074
Here's another more recent one...

>>2120075
>>2120074

These are begging for color. Scan em and experiment, that's what I'm doing. I like them.

>>2120083
Colours great and all, but I always have a hard time finding the right pallets.

I'm colourblind as fuck as well..

oh hi

>>2120091
I want your drawing skills
whered you get them?

>>2119962
unbroken outlines, no sharp edges. You don't give the outlines much character, they are just there.

Outlines aren't separate from textures, so inking the outlines before the textures is bad.

>>2120023
>>2120027
Better?
I want her face to be a bit flat since she's Asian.
I messed up the hair and probably need more skin color variation?

>>2120200
I forgot to fix her chin

>>2120131
"skills"

colored some old scans - digi is kinda boring...

>>2118865

>>2120219
I love you table guy. You always fav my drawings.

>>2120091
Are you using Painter?

>>2120250
I always feel like the same guy says he loves table guy (even though I've said it before too)

>>2112198
I thought the legs were a bit too thick and the crotch area did look like she had taken a dump.

her back looks weird isn't it?
how do i fix this?

>>2120357
KEK

>>2120281
Why is that little girl so ripped?

>>2120361
Probably from crushing cities.

>>2120357
my tablet is going crazy for some reason but here you go, i tried. really just look up some references.

>>2120357
Had a nice chuckle.

>>2120357

I laughed

>>2120357

Actually if you don't mind the suggestion, probably add some straps or somethign to the head of the tank so it looks like it's strapped to her butt. I think that would be even funnier.

Stylization is hard. Using your imagination/creativity which has been tucked away underneath ruthless teaching of fundamentals where you have to learn all over again to have fun with drawing.

Also anthrmorphic characters are tough too.

>>2120382
Ritts is that you?

>>2120074
>>2120075
2sp00ky

>>2120131
apparently, I still haven't found enough

just keep on drawing and looking at things

>>2120256
Paint Tool Sai

>>2118838
love this kinda shit

>>2120545
Do you watch a lot of 80's and 90's anime? I really love the style

>>2120545
it's always a little stiff
what do you plan to do with your art? comics?

>>2118838
Is this a screenshot from Samurai Jack?

>>2120200
She?!

Some character design sheet.

g-guys rate my fanart pls


some f-fags are paying me 50k a month to do this kind of shit

>>2120919
I can see why people go ga-ga over Sakimichan. Fuck man that is one sexy beast I wish I had his looks.

>>2120926
you wish you were unproportionate as fcuk? damn dude you must be desperate

>>2120919
If I drew longer hair on that face and cropped out the shoulders/chest. That'd be clearly a woman

>>2120919

what the fuck is going on with his foreshortened left arm

>>2120943
and also right arm, and left peck/shoulder, and knuckle-less hand

>>2120919
>>2120941
This was rushed and i didnt lay anything out, but I think it captures the idea here

>>2120954
oh m-m-mu-mu-MUH DICK!!!

>>2120919
Fuck me, is she really that bad?

Can I make hundreds of thousands of dollars if I use a female name and draw shit that's better than that?

>>2120939
I am not a faggot so I didn't look at the figure I just saw that sexy face. But from the thumbnail yeah I see what you mean.

>>2120919
Wrong thread for this BS.

>>2120958
Totally bro. While you're at it make a money group and show everyone on /ic/ that you can easily make money with your shit art.

>>2120965
Money group?

>>2120967
;-)

>>2120919
All joking aside, this actually gives me hope.
So what is it that makes her so successful? Is it achievable for anyone with that level of skill and that particular style? Or is it something else? Was she part of some community that helped spread her art? Is she a genius at networking? Is it because she's a woman?

I'm dead serious, and want to know how she became so popular. Drawing shit like that isn't particularly far fetched.

>>2120971
She knows how to draw a pleasant and dreamy face, I think her ability to polish, not draw heads but polish them alone is what made her successful.

>>2120971
Fan service and pandering basically
It's kinda like how paul kwon is popular and works for riot

>>2120977
Looked him up, and Paul Kwon is infinitely better than she is.

today, i draw a kangaroo with a sharpie

>>2119424
Yes antenna hair. I realized after a while that the arm was too long. Thank you!

>>2120980
No he's not, but they're both good shit-tier artists

>>2120992
That torso looks like a tree stump.

>>2120980
>Paul Kwon is infintely better than sakimi
topkek

>>2120971
>>2120977
Don't forget consistency. She's been pumping out this shit constantly for years. Seriously, go look at her gallery, and look at the dates things were posted. Do you already finish and polish pieces to that level and post them online at a similar rate?

She was already super popular before patreon existed, then figured out a way to utilize the platform.

>>2121000
>>2120992
Do you faggots not know the difference between person A being better than person B, and person A being good?

>>2120971
A large part of it was luck, and a bigger part is that she knew what to do with it.
Ignoring /ic/'s hate hard on for her, she's actually pretty good, people noticed her, and she knows how to keep people interested and paying her more money. A large part of that is her tutorials she releases to people who pay enough.

I mean say what you want, but she is pretty amazing in both regards. She knows how to market herself, and that's the best trait an artist can have.

on a side note
>because she's a woman
much like cooking, while art is a 'gay' hobby, the best and well known in the field typically are men, saki is one of the exceptions to the rule.

>>2121011
>much like cooking, while art is a 'gay' hobby, the best and well known in the field typically are men, saki is one of the exceptions to the rule.
I was mostly referring to the subsection of women who kinda exploit pathetic guys into donating. I only assumed she was guilty of this due to the subpar quality of her art, and the fact that her art doesn't seem like the kind of stuff that most guys would be interested in looking at, much less paying for.
Maybe she has a large following of women, given all the gay shit she draws.

>>2121016
>subpar quality
post
your
shit

seriously I'm tired of /ic/ going "hurr saki so bad" Is she the best artist in the world or anything? god no, but her art is still pretty damn good.
>hurr but anyone can do it!
yeah, the next time someone makes a saki study thread how about you actually participate.

>>2121011
>art is gay
You're the same faggot from a while back who said the same thing. Art isn't gay in way holy fuck dude

>>2121018
>post you shit

Are you somehow unaware that this is meant as a joke, to ridicule the fucking idiots that use this argument? I mean, you can't be this fucking stupid, and actually claim that artists are immune to criticism unless criticized by someone better.

>>2121024
no but it holds water when you're calling other people subpar without actually knowing shit.
its a joke because none of you faggots actually ever do it.
>b-but you don't have to be good in order to criticize!
saying someone is bad isn't criticism, its saying they're bad. and if you're calling someone bad you better be prepared to do better or you're just going to get laughed at.

>>2121019
>Art isn't gay
I didn't mean I personally think its gay, but its one of those things that people say as a girl hobby until you're professional. Cooking and tailoring isn't gay either, but unless you're professional level at it people think its an effeminate hobby.

>>2121027
>its a joke because none of you faggots actually ever do it.
You fucking imbecile. We're on an anonymous board for a reason, so that artists can criticize things without having it connected to their person. How the fuck do you not understand this?
Furthermore, actually showing your art in a discussion where people are arguing will result in people shitting on the art regardless of the quality, because they see the art as an extension of you.

The fact that you think sakimichan is good, actually says far more about you than anything else. She really isn't good. There are some aspects of her art that kinda works on a commercial basis, such as the faces and the rendering, but overall she's a deeply flawed artists, and any semi-experienced artist will immediately take notice of many mistakes.
The Link picture that the mods deleted earlier is a prime example.

>>2121027
>but unless you're professional level at it people think its an effeminate hobb
What fucking planet do you live on? Art is largely considered a male dominated hobby. I've never at any point heard anyone refer to it as effeminate.

OP's pic looks really cute, is there more?

>>2121027
>people think its an effeminate hobby.

I have never had this issue.

Maybe because I'm not an insecure cunt about it, its just what I do, and compared to non artists I do it very well. It doesn't take much to impress normal people, their idea of professional level is very very low.

>>2121027
You don't have to be good at something to give criticism.

>>2120200
I think the issue here is you need to learn to construct your forms accuratey. This is a drawing issue, you'll solve it by learning some conceptions and doing lots of sketches and drawings, not by trying to tweak this one painting.

>>2121027
>people think its an effeminate hobby.
yeah, no. I get people thinking tailoring and cooking was considered gay, but art has never been seen as an effeminite hobby. People might think it's a dumb hobby for hipsters, but homosexual? Not in the least.

Where do you live?

>>2121072
>>2121039
>>2121033
well then again I live in texas, so anything that isn't bull wrestling or shooting shit is gay.
my bad then.

>>2121077
>texas

that explains everything

>>2121072
Never heard is said about cooking either, apart from the specific instance where a man has taken the role of a housewife.
Hell, the vast majority of professional chefs and cooks have been male, and male tv chefs have been a staple of television since the 90s.

>>2121083
well what I was saying is that its not that the job is gay, its the hobby that's gay.
if you're cooking for a living, then that's a man's job, but if you cooking for fun, that's gay.

>>2121086
That's an odd thing to say considering you're from Texas. You people have an entire culture built up around BBQ, steaks and tex-mex, which as far as I know is considered fairly masculine.

>>2121093
well I'm still talking about as a hobby not as a job, and being the guy in charge of BBQ at a party makes that your temp job.
like you're not gay for wanting to eat, its when you're cooking pastries and shit on your off time that it becomes kinda gay.

I mean this logic obviously isn't unique to my area, I believe there was a disney movie awhile back about a boxer dude who wanted to cook and how everyone laughed at him for it.

>>2121095
I've never encountered this mentality to be honest. It's mostly seen as a positive thing here. Again, the only exception would be a guy who takes the role of a housewive and is expected to cook for his wife and kids.

I suppose it has to do with the mentality behind cooking that men have. In my experience, they're more experimental and almost see it as a challenge to always try new things and make complex food. They almost break it down to a science.
I also think Gordon Ramsay has given cooking a more masculine image, as he's about as far from feminine as its possible to get.

You are all fucking morons shitting up this thread. Shut the fuck up.

>>2121109
>not posting work
>continuing the shitpostchain
>thinking you're any better for opening your mouth

lmao

What do you guys think of this?

>>2120609

>>2121229
Honestly, it's not that good.

>>2121229
I would love to be that quick and confident.

Sketching/fleshing out some characters.

still don't really know how the bg should go

>>2120250
>always fav my drawings
I like when people are putting in effort, and when they post regularly. Some anons don't get a lot of likes so I like to fav their posts so they know people are still watching their progress.

Also it's fun to cross reference tumblr with /ic/

Have I made any egregious errors I should fix before I continue? I feel like it's all too placid.

>>2121327
I accidentally hid the layer but she's leaning on a bag which is why her upper body is propped like that.

>>2121330
>I accidentally hid the layer

Why don't you just repost it with the bag then ?

>>2121371
Because I'm a retard.

watercouleur

>>2120592
thanks, the 80's and 90's are the best for character design imo

>>2120595
I spent too much time polishing it. I'm trying to loosen up a bit drawing faster right now.

comics? nah, Can't create a narrative to save my life. I'm thinking more animation since I hate coloring. Wow, another low paying, dying field of work right?

>>2121595
THAT HEAD IS BIGGER THEN BIG

>>2120357
Remove the dark shadows between her back and butt, arch the back a bit more and make the spine less noticeable. Hope that helps.

What anime is that?

>>2121595
this is probably your biggest head yet. you really need to decide on your proportions.
in that image almost the entire upper body is one head tall.

i had similar problems before. try to decide on a place for these landmarks (think in terms of heads): pit of the neck, solar plexus (nipples are around here), end of the ribcage.

i find that you tend to make the arms longer to not make the head seem as big, but that seems like a patchwork solution, it's not enough. you should adjust the points mentioned above too. especially the length of the neck can change a lot.

working on a print, i'm really bad at anatomy rn and i'm studying really hard + i'm just getting out of a two yr art block and learning to like art again. this really frustrates me, i'm selling soon (oct) at a con and i'm going to be in here a lot lol... please help me out by redlining or giving critique! thank you!

here's one thing i'm working on and god, it needs some serious help.

>>2121783
I feel like i should be able to see the left thigh of the sitting guy. There should be a bit of the peach shorts showing
I think it will be easier to critique once its refined a little more. The colors are very nice

Just made my first hentai painting and put it up on /b/'s loli thread but they didn't like it ; - ;

>>2121441
I-I like your style.

>>2121380
It looks alright. I'm not saying I could do better, but here are some things I thought looked off.
-Expression is kind of blank/dead.
-Hair looks almost "glued" to the head; maybe try relaxing it/adding a bit of volume.

>>2121823
That's some of the creepiest and most disturbing shit I've ever seen on this board. Pls don't become a serial killer.

>>2121823
maybe you need to make the face more lewd and less afraid, not sure I feel like the face might need some touch up.

>>2121828
sorry ; - ;
it was for a contest at school to make the creepiest shit. without actually showing anything, so i guess this is a compliment xD

>>2121829
Thanks, will do that!

>>2121831
>school
>xD
$20 down that you wear a fedora or a trench coat to class and you spend half your time mocking people who do better than you because you're "just too lazy to do the work"

>>2121831
Enjoy getting v&
>sorry ; - ;
> at school
> xD
And b& too.

>>2121831
You actually showcased that at school? What the fuck?

Did you have any friends, or any sort of social understanding? You don't just publicly show loli rape porn in some "creepy" contest. The painting is supposed to be creepy, not the artist you fucking autistic weirdo.

>>2121842
lol, not at all

>>2121823
I'm fairly certain most people are unaware that the guy is brushing her teeth.

>>2121831
bit autistic to show this at school tbh

>>2121854
Was talking to the people i showed it.

Female classmate;
''If they think this is creepy, they obviously havent seen much of the depths of the internet yet.''

>>2121860
Its a game-art class, everyone is autistic....

>>2121863
Jesus Christ I just cut myself on the edge of this post.

>>2121866
pics?

Female classmate did a paintover

>>2121863
spoken like a true underage /b/tard.
>creepy
creepy doesn't mean like a fucking creeper.

>>2121828
>>2121845
>>2121854
when did /ic/ become 4chan's bastion of political correctness? seen a ton of this bullshit lately.

>>2121858
We all know, anon.

>>2121908
I think you need to get back to /b/, this has nothing to do with political correctness and all to do with looking like an underage faggot.

>>2121908
>using emoticons
>okay on 4chan
what 4chan have you been visiting faggot?
plus he's clearly an underage /b/tard.
I couldn't care less about loli forced teeth brushing, but his attitude screams underaged edgy faggot, and the only place being an edgy faggot is acceptable is /b/ and /pol/

>>2121727
Learn perspective, we are looking at her from the top, that's why the head is bigger.

>>2121913
Actually im 20.

Also, Its just a painting... if it looked like shit no one would've had a problem with it...

>>2121918
>if it looked like shit..
it does look like shit but that's beside the point, its your attitude that doesn't belong. and the fact you're already 20 just makes it even worse.

>>2121919
I dont have a problem with my attitude.

>>2121918
If you're painting that kind of thing for school assignment that just wanted "creepy" you have a problem. I really don't think that was done for a school assignment.

>>2121923
It wasnt a school assignment. it was a contest between 6 classmates.

>>2121915
In that case the body would be drawn wrong as it doesn't follow the same perspective. Take your own advice.

>>2121913

>implying ironic use of the ;_; and :^) emoticons aren't accepted

>>2121915
>Learn perspective
no u senpai

i don't know who you're trying to fool, but we are clearly looking at her from more the side rather than the top.
proportions are good for you. don't reject them.

shut the fuck up you autistic nerd, are jelly or something ?

>>2121921
Please start namefagging so you can drag this thread to new lows.

>>2121937
xD

>>2121937
suck my ass

>>2121272
arm too short

>>2121380
who would ever hold a cup like that? it looks so uncomfortable

making a card again - i tuned the robot to the bottom left, but looking for any tips on the legs, pose etc

I purposefully picked something pretty cliche

>>2121954
make the body just a little shorter maybe.
either way i like it

>>2121954
I feel like the neck connects a bit too far to the back of the head/not enough to the front, however I see that a lot in anime art so I'm not sure if its intentional or not.

>>2120361
she's an oni

my god i finally realized how easy it is to draw if i just lay off the crazy angles.
it makes it so much easier to design and focus on the overall image.

>>2121959
ah the body was supposed to be opened up when he ripped out his battery, but I think I will shorten it since its hard to read

>>2121961
yeah i had some trouble connecting that part, i think i will pencil this first before inking

>>2118838
if this drawing was a human i would rape it but in a nice way holy shit i love your style

>>2121826
I thought so too, I'll go back and do some redraws, thanks.
>>2121947
I thought so too at first but then I went and tried it in that pose, it's not uncomfortable at all.

>>2118838
I don't know if it's intentional, but I think if you used something other than black for the lines on the animals they'd mesh better. Maybe try the blues from your shadows in the corner? I feel like the black lines don't really work well since nothing else on your image has lines, but they're still necessary to preserve the shapes on your critters. I feel like softening them up with a different color would keep the cleanliness without them looking out of place as they are.


Unless those animals are meant to be animated? in that case, they're probably fine in motion.

really great work though, feels like you could make a pretty interesting storybook or animation. I'm really digging it.

>>2121908
September.

>>2121908
Those were odd posts to point out, but I feel the recent political correctness is a result of two or three autistic cunts that just spam every thread when they feel offended by something.

>>2122147
>>/ic/thread/2057096

>>2122159
>>/ic/thread/2057096#p2074493

>>2121727
looks like i rushed and fucked up the perspective

shrunk head + tilted for effect + added simple bg

>>2122166
Fuggen ugu mang. What were your recources for learning this style?

>>2121954
inked - gonna color now - i think i'll make him red otherwise it will be too much megaman...

>>2122184
test color with digi -speak now or forever hold your peace

>>2122193
ok done - going on vacation for 2 weeks, see you on the other side!!

>>2120375
>>2120380
>>2121717
thanks for the inputs. how is it now? better?

it's not from anime though. it's the scorpion tank from halo. that's why the turret is positioned like that. the idea is its gun being a sting

>>2122235
Funny stuff, mate.

>>2122235
I would mount that turret if ya know whadda mean

>>2122256
So you are gonna shoot the bullets? how fast are you done?

>>2122272
yes Im going to shoot the bullets into her bagina

>>2122275
Yeah, but what is your firing rate? Are you in Spec?

>>2122279
i think that's enough questions about his turret activities, mate.

I like the pose but I think the arms looks weird, help?

>>2122235
I still think the shadow between her buttcheeks is too dark, but it looks way better now, good job!

>>2122380
The hands look a little ghoulish but have nice shape.

>>2122368
head looks a little small imo

>>2122380
i would grab her hands and kiss her.

>>2122368

>>2122521
not sure what you were trying to do here.
the right arm was corrected, but the left arm could just be going in at a different angle and the hips need a different type fix than that.

>>2122540
What 'different type' of fix do the hips need?

>>2120074
face is messy if im honest. you need to work on the silhouette and the outlines of certain things, or else they all just blur together and you cant tell whats going on

>>2120983
honestly in the thumbnail this looks a lot worse. your line variation is really nice, yeah the arms and ears are fucked up but im digging that curve on the back/tail

>>2122544
rotated clockwise slightly while shifting to the right.

>>2122564
I seriously think I did the legs some good, if you feel confident that I messed them up, you're free to redline it.

Can I draw commissions with shit skill? Pokemon fanart or somthing? I need money, because I will starving soon.

>>2122568
oh don't get me wrong I think the redline corrected some mistakes, but it feels like you were just going on a different pose than he was aiming for. Its the same general pose but at different angles.

>>2122569
draw for furries.
but lets be honest you won't be making money from art if you suck, just go find a job at mcdonalds until you git gud.

On a related note, can you still make decent money off commissions if you don't draw porn or furshit, or do you pretty much need to sell your soul to the devil?

My friend is considering doing the "make a pseudonym, do embarrassing commissions for money on the side" thing, but she refuses to draw porn or furries. Dunno where she'd draw the line for mild lewd. Obviously furry porn is where the big bucks are at, but is there ANY money outside of that or would she just be wasting her time?

>>2122598
Depends what you consider decent and what you mean as commissions, for example you have saki and she makes plenty of money off other things that aren't commissions exactly, but its not porn. There's plenty of comic artists that aren't comic book artists that make decent money off it.
If you mean solely commissions its hard but doable, its easier just to get an actual job.

>>2122574
>just go find a job at mcdonalds
Impossible. I am forbidden to work with food and I live in Russia. Only 12 hours slavery job is available for me. We call it "DNO"
And let's be honest, you never able learning to draw if your work on normal job. I study for 12 hours for every day last 3 month and it's not even enough to be average shit artist.
All or nothing.
>tl;dr
Anyway I will try make pokemon commissions. At least they're pretty cute.

>>2122617
>forbidden to work with food
is that a thing? did you poison your boss or something?
>3 months
that's kind of your issue, it takes years to git gud but you can get by doing 2-4 hours a day for 3 years. by the end of it you should be good enough to get some furry commissions.

>>2122621
>did you poison your boss or something?
I suffering from MDR-TB for three years.
>it takes years to git gud but you can get by doing 2-4 hours a day for 3 years
Theoretical bullshit. Wake up from dreams.
In Russian art school you will draw fundamentals for 2 years. 8+ hours per day.

>>2122629
well I'm not going to say you're going to become an amazing artist, but if you're actually focusing on getting better and you have a good training plan planned out before you, you can get to commission able levels in a year.
>russian art school
well that's your problem.
fundamentals do not take 5840 hours to get the hang of. you're not trying to be a master, you're trying to sell your shit.

>>2122609
Her husband supports her, so she doesn't need to earn a full living. This would be to bring in some extra money without having to leave home.

It would have to be under a pseudonym though, because her current portfolio is based around "serious" photography and design stuff, and having anime fanart link back to it would probably taint it. I think that makes anything other than commissions out of the question for her, unless she decides to dump photography entirely or something.

>>2122629
>Russian art school
Friendly reminder.

>>2122644
to be fair its not entirely incorrect its just people's perspectives on anatomy are different.
what "you need to know anatomy" really means is basically "do you know where the joints on a body are?" and "how long are your typical body parts?" after that you're basically good to go.

>>2122644
The picture actually does have some merit. If you look at the study threads, you'll see that quite a few people have a very good grasp of drawing and painting, but only when they draw from reference. Unless these people only post in those threads, this shows there's a clear difference in people's abilities to draw from their imagination and people's ability to draw from life/photos. The latter seems to be a considerably easier skill to master.

>>2122648
>>2122654
That is exactly what the corrected image is saying.

>>2122675
well it sorta feels like its saying the entire "you have to know anatomy" is wrong instead of just the "you have to be able to draw ever single muscle on the human body" part is wrong.

>>2122680
It clearly states that the wrong part is the exaggeration due to comparing mediocre animu to crazy levels of draftsmanship and that the anatomy point is valid. It literally says so.

>>2122675
No. The idiot who edited the picture has taken a literal interpretation of the picture, rather than understanding the theme. The picture choices might not be ideal, but the pedantic idiocy of the edit misinterprets the point entirely.

Rough sketch

>>2122751
jaysus christo

>>2122751
Very rough**************************

>>2121327
Distance of the eyes needs correction.
Position of the hands holding the cup is awkward.
You should also add some folds in the clothes around the pelvic to leg area to indicate that it folds.

Also I think the pose is somewhat lacking.
Here is my rendition of the pose.

>>2121272
>>2121945

Longified arms

This is as far as it gets for me i think

how does it look? Sorry the quality is so shit and this is a first sketch

>>2122844
personally I feel as if their torsos should be pointing slightly more away from the viewer and that the right one's arms connect in some strange ways, but nothing monstrous just something I'm noticing because I'm looking at the arms cause you mentioned it.
although on lighting (assuming its coming from the right girl's hair) isn't consistent on the girl on the left. you'll notice her left side is dark and right side is lit up even though the girl on the left is behind her, there is also the issue of the shadows on her helmet going backwards instead of away from the lightsource.
this assumes the lighting is coming from the other girl though so if its not you can feel free to ignore me.
otherwise its not too bad, maybe clean up some of the brush strokes just to make it look clean and you'll be good
.>>2122850
use a darker pencil or a better lighting. but from what I see you need to work a bit on facial structure but its not too terrible, the neck is long as well.

>>2122854
I'm going over it now with a 2B, as I said, first sketch
I was kinda going for an elongated neck? Is it too exaggerated?

>>2122860
well I wasn't really sure what you were going for so I was basing it on a natural human's proportions. but no its not ridiculous or anything just figured it was worth noting.

>>2122863
how does the face look?

>>2122644

A good chunk of animu artists do improve by learning detailed anatomical art though.

Russian art school is a bit of a stretch. It doesn't have to be perfect, but to make distinguishable symbols but it still has to be pretty damn good.

>>2122919
that's not really 1 being better than the other necessarily though. what they're going for in each one is just completely different. the left one is clearly a more realistic image while the right one is staying true to source material (assuming its fan art and not actual source materiel in which case it'd just be following the art direction)

>>2122944
on second thought I just realized I'm probably misinterpreting what you were trying to say so ignore that.

>>2122906
How does it look to you?

>>2122944
He IS the original artist, and the right is how the vast majority of his work is done. If he's drawing on his free time for fun, I'm sure he'd draw like the right. He's trying to point out that he's still got knowledge in realistic anatomy to make his cartoony Disgaea shit work.

>>2122991
yeah I noticed thats why I corrected >>2122951

but i mean like, I understand what they're getting at, but it doesn't really mean much.

>look at this good artist, he can also draw cartoons!
isn't really the same as
>look at this guy that draws only cartoons but still nails anatomy down
its pretty much a given that good artists will be able to draw stylized works too, the point in question is whether anatomy itself makes something look good which is a retarded question in the first place because of course it fucking does.
then again I'm a fucking idiot so this post if probably a giant podge of retarded statements.

>>2122816
Your gesture is certainly a shitton better than mine, I'l take it into consideration, thanks.

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>>2123083
>>2123083
>>2123083

>>2119736
Its you!
can you post a pic/vid of your process?
I've been trying to do something to a similar effect but I've been failing.
Also what program do you use?