/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Alright I'm gunna post this since it was at the end of the old one. I know this is really sucky and everything but can I get some tips on how to make the features look 'in the correct position' on the face?

I mean the way the eye should sort of "wrap" round the curve of the head. Is there any way to help me see this better?

>>2117394
This is loomis bait right?
if not, then Loomis.

>>2117394
You have no perspective knowledge. You cannot expect to construct properly with no perspective knowledge.
Not to mention you're heavily symbol drawing. Read the sticky.

>>2117394

Well... You are at the point where you should ALWAYS be drawing from reference or copying a method. Like the Loomis method for example. Everyone good has a method to draw faces so you need to find one that works for you. Anything else is kind of a waste of time at your skill level.

I'm currently going through the vilppu drawing manual and I have no idea what I am doing, any advice other than practice more since that is already a given ? Pic related is some of the practice things I did. Oh and for the anon that wanted to know how I got the lines smooth you can look here, >>2117275

>>2117410
Not him, but I started a week ago and have pretty much exclusively being copying things. How long should this go on for? I don't mind because I'm really enjoying it to be honest.

>>2117402
>tfw I've been reading loomis for a week and I still cant even draw the fucking circles properly.

>>2117407
Alright I'll read the 'right side of the brain' book. Thanks


>>2117410
I was drawing from my head. I used the reilly method to draw this one but some others I've used loomis. Thanks for the advice.

Anyone else working through the lessons on artfundamentals on reddit? Honestly amazing resource to learn how to draw better. Pretty much everyone in these threads would gain a lot by working through them.

>>2117420
I've literally never read a book that teaches you how to hold your pencil or draw a circle. Please see the first videos in this link to work on your dexterity, nigga

https://archive.is/zECsp

>>2117407

Any construction method teaches you at the very least how to put construction lines down, right at the start. He can do a skull like that, but doesn't know how construction lines work? I don't believe it, I'm calling it as bait.

>>2117422
Better than the sticky?

>>2117411
Thanks, anon. I'll look for a Photoshop equivalent of smoothing.

>>2117411
>I'm currently going through the vilppu drawing manual and I have no idea what I am doing

You're learning how to feel the form anon

>>2117431
Construction lines rely on perspective. Unless you thought they were just arbitrary? Maybe you need to read the sticky, too.

>>2117431
I did draw the construction lines, I just erased them after I drew the features.

>>2117429
Pic related. I can't 'feel' the roundness of them I try to draw the lines as he does and they just don't look right.

Latest colored picture. Eh.

>>2117411
I can't understand vilppu's anatomy lessons easily. Loomis is easier. I've drawn too many ugly old cartoon men though.

>>2117461
My cat donated its hair for that.

>>2117445

Are you fucking retarded? I never said they didn't rely on perspective, or that it was arbitrary. Maybe you need to stop posting.

>>2117446

Take a step back from figure drawing and work on still life. Draw cups, fruit, books, etc. You should be doing that way before you get to figure drawing anyways.

So I am a beginner and I am learning gestures at the moment. I made a few gesture stuff please give crits. Picture related is a bit low in quality but but its alright.

>>2117414

As someone who's only been drawing for a few months I found that I've gone from strictly copying reference to being confident enough to make little adjustments / combine references. I figure the longer you go and the more familiar you are the more flexible you get.

>>2117394
I don't know what style you were going for, if any, or how you visualised the subject in your head, but I always find that this helped me.
Play a little game of spot the difference. Break these two pictures down into small chunks, rather than attempting to tackle mine as a whole. I do when I draw, often don't use construction lines and noses are probably my favourite facial feature to sketch. When learning faces look for online tutorials on certain features specifically. Pick a handful of portrait artists or illustrators and look at how they draw that feature in their multiple works; from different angles, lighting, shapes - they will all follow a style.
Also always remember form > detail, as long as the shape/spacing/placement of the work is on point, you don't have to worry as much about tone/texture, etc.

And take this with a pinch of salt, but when in frustration at a drawing, try looking away from the subject matter, if any. Does it look realistic on its own? Place details that you think should be there. It may look like that specific banana, but take the banana away - does it look like *A* banana? I know many people probably don't have a wrinkle that resembles that funny line by picrelated's eyes, but it looks at home and added to the believability of the drawing. But you should only really utilise this when you're confident of your skill, otherwise you'll grow into bad habits, like kids that draw the sun in the upper-left corner of their doodles.

Specific critique of the drawing? Considering this is a beginner thread:
>Mouth isn't bad at all. Extremely important not to overwork it, especially with lips.
>Inclusion of cheekbone yet exclusion of other wrinkle-like linework in the face is strange. No stress lines, or tired rings or folds around the mouth and nose. Feel you face whilst pulling expressions, look in a mirror. I've left a few from my drawing, but only because some are too light to draw in that style. Look at a skull too.
>wordmaxlol

>>2117501
forgot to add, drawn with mouse. That's my excuse for the inevitable 4chan hate

i can do now says thumbnail not full draw

>>2117502
2late I already puked

>eyes and nose look ok
>body part is piss
shieeeettt

>>2117507
kurt cobain?

how did i do /ic/
Also big thanks to the anon that linked me to the video last thread. It was really helpful.

>>2117568
you are missing some shades on the face to better blend it into the hair and surrounding (assuming you did not leave it completely shadow free on pupose) it appears kinda flat

The rest is quite good I think

Is this considered chicken scratch?

>>2117470
You're doing awwwright just keep plowing at it.

>>2117597
A bit, but it looks like you know generally where you're going with the lines

Do I actually need to finish the entire keys to drawing book before moving onto the Bargue Drawing Course?

I really just want to start learning construction to draw lewds/ stylized monsters then move onto digital painting but am unsure how to make the most of my time.

>>2117597
chicken scratch is when you use more lines than necessary and keep going over your previous lines

there's some hairy lines in the cheek and nose but that's mostly it

>>2117597
Chicken scratching is the use of many lines instead of just drawing one complete line on the first try, possibly with a restatement.
The idea is to look at where you're starting your line, where you want the line to end, what shape the line needs to be then just drawing it.

Anything else will increase your chances of RSI and make the entire drawing process take much longer.

I want to render like this. What I need to study?

>>2117639

Depends on how much of a scrub noob you are. Basics nigga.

But if you want to know start with crosshatching and work from there.

>>2117639
Look at the tones closely

You can study your own image for easiest results

anyone got guides to gesture?

videos work too

Drapery study. Thumbnail probs looks better than the real thing.

>>2117675
Michael Hampton's book and CGMA lecture are both great. Vilppu is, too, and proko explains gesture really well, though I don't like his method that much.

>>2117639

As far as I can tell he's using a combination of hatching with tone in certain spots.

It requires really good pencil control and dexterity (be able to turn your pencil on its side in any given moment, turn it back to the point and start hatching again.)

He also fully understands/memorized the planes of the face and construction.

Other then that it's just practice.

>>2117691
Of course I go and forget about the picture.

>>2117691
Hampton did gesture? I didn't even know that.. Thanks anon.

Haven't drawn in months. Going back to the gesture drawing site to see how much I've lost and warm-up or something.

...Doesn't seem like I lost much. In fact this is turning out better than I expected.

>>2117734
>Chicken scratch
>Bad proportions
>Very stiff gesture

Draw more confident lines.
Measure the model.
Feel the flow of the gesture.

>>2117748
It's a nicer looking piece of shit than I thought it would be, yup. I need to let the current take me

>try the "five-minute burn"
>looks like shit, but it's really enjoyable to do
>do it more on diferent things
>actual improvement

Keys to drawing is so much fun.

>>2117919
>beginer thread
>those skills

you are in the wrong thread my man

>>2117922
>skills
you people are blind, I swear

>>2117922
He really isn't.

>>2117919
Those are more the colors I'd see on a decomposing corpse, mango. Work on that.
Work on your rendering, too. I can see every single brush stroke.

Everyone is copying stop copying.

>>2117964
this was a gesture practice anon. you can think of her as dead and half painted, i just wanted feedback on the pose.

>>2117984
>gesture practice
>painted and rendered
at least you deleted your post before people realized you have 47 chromosomes instead of 46

>>2117991
>>2117825

Apparently anon is pushin this phrase hard.

>>2118009
yes, that's where i got it from

>>2117919
>>2117675
looks like you guys are about at the same level as i am. I'm currently grinding vilppu anatomy, would recommend the same for you.

1. How do i improve on these "funny" faces?
2. How long should i studie "Fun With A Pencil" before moving on?

Why does no one want to ever be blunt with noobs? I never see anyone tell a bad drawer when they suck. They seem to want to avoid admitting that the person's drawings are bad.

I know support is a good thing but some times people aren't so naive as to always be fooled by fake support. And is it really that good for them to tell them that everything they draw looks great, even when it's terrible?

>>2118029
Well you just can't tell them "they suck" without telling them something useful aswel.

>>2118029
If your gonna do this at least bait a fresh hook anon. This thread is already rolling.

>>2118032
It's not really about telling them they suck. It's about not wanting to tell them they aren't that good.

>>2118033
I haven't actually read anything else in the thread. I was just passing through and had this on my mind.

Speaking of trolling, I have drawn a couple things just to troll people like this and try to force them to admit something looks mad and it hasn't worked yet. And I'm not just being humble. It looked terrible.

>>2118028
Kek. They look like tumor patient laughing at their fate.

Keep doing it, Anon until you understand the placement of face's feature on the head.

>>2118028
there is always reilly method if you cant figure out loomis

>>2118047
who the hell is that?

>>2118028
Guy on the right clearly experiencing pleasure pain.

i need to figure out why hads are hard to draw

Is it normal to have no feel for mannequization/construction of the human body for the first time, or is it just me? I still practice perspective and construction on still life, hoping Ill one day get the feel. I guess i kind of get it with landmarks, but still pretty blind. Ive watched hampton and vilppu so far. I think the hardest part for me is identifying the horizon line in the picture, since the body is tilted.

>>2118099
I think you just copied the image instead of trying to learn anything from it.

>>2118114
sorry, but i don't know what image i copied.

Oh, the thread ended after my post last night.
Here is the picture again, going to draw another one now.

more of my stupid ass here

How are you supposed to get lineart of mechanical things to look appealing

the only thing I got out of this was pain

>>2118153
This looks like a MLP face on a pre-pubescent body. Not sure if you were going for that or not.

>>2118218
Its supose to be a cartoonish looking teen, I didn't tried to make it look like any specific cartoon.

>>2118209
well by using vector strokes or curve guides in programs like sketchbook

No idea about perspective, I'm trying to draw shadows. where do I need to improve other than perspective since I know about that.

Pls hit me hard

>>2118370

Work on proportion

Be patient with your lines

>>2118370
You trying to draw fast, draw slow and relaxed and when you are good with slow try going fast.

>>2118406
>>2118408

Thanks

Are the feet placed right, what about face and the hands? Advice with the rest of the thing would be nice to.

>>2118361
You're placing the shadows haphazardly. Curved shadows on flat planes? how does that even work?

Open a book or set up a still life to study from.

>>2118424
Nothing is right. Does this answer your question?
Start from the beginning, read the sticky.

>>2118481
Oh damm it, screew it I need sleep. But thanks for the honesty.

>>2118458

Thank you anon for the advice. It helps a lot. will pick up a book on shading, will check if there is a PDF is the book thread up. I you have any recommendations I would love to hear them.

>>2118533
I second this. Any video courses recommendations? Thinking of trying pic. I heard shading is necessary, or helps with construction.

>>2118015
sigh

might as well try all of them ;__;

>>2118361

You need Scott Robertson.

>>2118169
looks pretty good, get some confidence pal

>>2118361

Do these lessons.

reddit.com/r/artfundamentals

>>2118666
no..... never.

>>2118042
I'm drawing so many fucking faces, and they all come out "meh"
But at least I'm drawing... R-right?

What's the best way to practice basic forms/construction

Haven't drawn in years, trying to learn to draw in a cute/cartoony style. Going to try to produce one drawing (even if it's a simple bust like this one) every day and develop/refine a style. I'll probably post them in these threads pretty regularly.

Day 1.

>>2118099
(His) right arm is way small. Also, balls are sitting weird as fuck against the closer leg. Dick's a bit high. REALLY long neck, and torso is out of proportion so try raising the shoulders. Perspective on head, namely underside of jaw is wrong, and IMO the ear should be further back. Looks like he's tucked his upper lip into his lower one. for hand, look at your own in the same position. Legs are a bit fucked form/perspective ways, but they look like legs - (his) left leg looks twisted at the shin though, bring it to face you more. Feet are just retarded, super stumpy and broken perspective, sorry. Really not bad though. Aim for form > detail. Fully implementing features etc. (tone, texture, linework) basically sets the form in stone, which isn't ideal when your form is shit.

20 min sketch on shitty program. Is this head kinda squint? I flipped the image and it looked badly askew.
I realise the lips need perspective work.

>>2118727
yeah i noticed these things when i drew it but teh progam i was using doesn't let me edit and i was too lazy to redraw

>>2118683
At least you're still alive, Anon.

>>2118734
shit mispelled the

Gesture comes with time right? Mine looks like absolute poo but would it be fine moving on?

>>2118725
best thing in the universe ever

How'd I do with this quick sketch I made, I circled points I thought were off, but can you guys identify any other points that are off (like dramatically off)

Any good YT videos on perspective

nothing too advanced

>>2119024

Anyone know what i could look at or read for backgrounds?

Specifically interesting city scapes. And how to set up a good composition with charactery in a busy city. I wanna draw the fuck out of cities right now.

Also fuck you captcha, hamburgers are not fucking sandwitches.

>>2119091
They are actually.

Do people actually finish keys to drawing and drawing from the right side of the brain?

>>2119091
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diMDoFkN73s

I just watched Scott Robertson's video on perspective, and soon watching Erik Olson's perspective series. Does /ic/ know any video courses that focuses more on the construction aspect of drawing than perspective? Or does erik olson cover both?

>>2119182
Aren't they closely related? I mean, you construct things using shapes, and you make shapes using perspective

Currently learning from Loomis's "Fun With A Pencil" drawing Old Folks. Do you like older man/ woman, Anon? 99 y/o

>>2119192
Yeah, I know you need perspective in order to construct, but I want something thatll teach how to simplify anything with specific shapes to use when constructing (cube, cylinder, sphere), as oppose to going through the whole perspective process. Someone that teaches how to simplify random objects like a cup of tea, or a chair, into basic shapes. That probably doesn't make sense, Ill try again.

I want something that focuses more on the construction using shapes, than making shapes with perspective, cause I already have erik olson for that.

>>2119207
Vilppu has a VERY brief section on this. Idk, anon, it seems like something you just have to train yourself to see. In my experience, once I started practicing with perspective EXTENSIVELY, I could see the form of things more easily, I could make shapes without having to set up everything, and I understood how to orient them so that I could actually use them to construct whatever I felt like. I still have a ways to go, but you get the gist.

>>2119228
I see. You're actually saying that as I currently watch vilppu. Alright, I guess more practicing on still life for me.

Ending on a good note gives a you a false sense of confidence, and postpones your practice, thinking that making it is just around the corner. Ending on a bad note inspires you to get back to practicing as soon as possible to correct yourself, and pray that you'll one day make it.

more shit from the shit man

>>2119277
Your hands are the wrong way around

>>2119293
good job pointing that out I was drawing and just after i finished i noticed that. but since it was pen i couldn't correct it

Is it just me or Olson really likes to repeat stuff?

>>2118481
Going back to the basic stuff realy sucks, Its pretty damm hard for me to force myself to just shade geometric forms and copy stuff for hours. I enjoy drawing alot but can't stand practicing. But I guess aslong as I keep drawing and don't get into a comford zone I will git gud eventualy, right?

>>2119480
I wish you would stop saving as transparent pngs.. ffs. can barely seem em

Not used to using a tablet my sketches are quite messy i believe.

How could i make smooth lines?

Does the pose make sense?

And how could i improve?

>>2119480

Cheer up, at least your cartoony teens are pretty hot.

>>2119166
Learning to finish things, to see them through to the end, is critically important if you ever want to produce completed, polished works...

>>2119483
have you tried clicking on the file link?
also sorry for the oversized image, forgot to crop it.
I will try darker lines and white background for any future pics.

Shit fuck balls, i havent done jack today.

Fast, what should i improve upon? I suck at pretty much everything so anything probably goes. Except drawing cubes. I like drawing cubes.

>>2119489
nah I just image hover like I imagine most people do now the extension allows it.

>>2119490
Draw me a cube

>>2119486
Guy looks way too casual. I thought he was just leaning on something and chilling. The action has to show more on his upper body.
As for smooth lines, just focus on it, fill a whole page with just lines if you need to. It's normal to take several tries to get that right line. Try making a drawing, turn it into a semi transparent layer and drawing cleaner lines over it on a new layer.

>>2119490
Draw circles then cylinders. And then move on to human anatomy with Hampton, if that's in your artistic scope.

>>2119487
Glad someone likes it, thats the first week I ever tried drawing naked figures.
I still gota work alot on them to make them look more human.
I try some more tomorow after work.

Wanted to get back into drawing after taking an advanced sketching class last summer. Plz judge my kellan lutz

Am I doing these gestures right? Please reply if you know.

>>2119493

There cube

>>2119501
And cylinders at least the best looking ones. Literally the bane of my existance and the only thing that i need to master to start making 10k a week on patreon.

Is there a mega folder of figure references I can download? I don't really want to spend time hunting for a good photo everytime I practice.

>>2119543
ahem mane
one of your cylinders is not possible,
it's full circle and even if it is transparent it would look like full circle inside full circle
technicel limitashins of perspectiv

If I want to learn to draw heads, faces, hair, hands and feet I can just draw them from reference until i understand their underlying forms right?

Also, Baroque plates are worth learning right?

>>2119688
Just get an anatomy book and study it. Dont try to copy them.

>>2119688
Depends on how you apply your studies. Don't forget that you can use yourself as reference. Pose in front of the mirror and feel the skeletal structure. Look at how everything connects etc.

How is the dynamic sketching class by P. Han? Is it good? I'm currently doing drawabox, but I hear it's just a watered down Peter Han class. Could someone explain?

pic related, one of the exercises.

>>2119639
this

ugh. Anatomy.

>>2119918
ah loomis...

here is more from me just want to know why i am bad

>>2119981
I wonder why grown men is the hardest thing to draw. Even kids are easier.

>>2119918
>>2119981
>>2120006
>>2120008
I'm a noob myself so I can't give you any advice but I love these

>>2120016
Thanks bro! Your words makes me happy.

But this one is not mine >>2120006

>>2120025
sorry that was me along with these>>2119277
>>2118169
>>2118099

>>2120030
Nah, no problem.

here's some more shit

Woke up and painted the first thing that came to mind. Thoughts or suggestions very welcome.

>>2120104
Re-sized image.

>>2119756
Drawabox is precisely a watered down Peter Han. Like, completely. All of these exercises are from Dynamic Drawing.
The other problem is that Drawabox advertises itself as being beginner-friendly while you actually need perspective if you want to get anywhere with forms.

>>2120109
And according to this >>/ic/thread/1646366#p1655117, Peter Han is a watered down Rapid Viz.

>>2120113
Just checked out rapid viz.
Peter Han is Rapid Viz applied to illustration. Rapid Viz is much more business and design oriented.

>>2119639

Damn, you are nearly right, but i see where i fucked up.

1. I did fuck up because i wanted to draw a normal cylinder
2. It is possible if the cylinder is cut under an angle so when put into perspective the elipse would turn into a circle.

But yea, in this case i just fucked up.

>>2120006
got bored so I colored my own drawing

>>2117368
anyone got a good video on the basics of perspective?

Thats my first ever side view drawing and it fellt very vague drawing it. Made the BG white so it should have a better contrast now.

I'll just keep posting

>>2120257
eric olson lecture series
enjoy your 80 hours of perspective

How do you get a realistic gesture in figures from imagination?

I feel like I messed up a bit doing this study since I didn't do a gesture first

>>2120328
I swear I always forget the image

>>2120325
Learn from Vilppu

I tried to paint something from imagination.

>>2120487
its decent I guess nothing glaringly wrong but it's pretty boring and generic. I suggest maybe incorporating things from reference

Just a drawing of mine.

>>2120487

The leaves on the tree look great! The end of the river is a bit fucked up though.

I'm going to need a better workflow for hard surfaces. The layers are a mess, and I'm not sure if I want to spend time fixing it.

I really need to take the effort to learn more about masks, and practice making bezier curves.

Been doing this once a day for a week. I'm starting to like the results.

It looks rather fantastic.

>>2120559
Reflected light is in the wrong place. In fact, the core shadow suggest the light is coming from the opposite direction.
So, yeah, pick up a book.

>>2120568
I'll get there someday.

>>2119537
help

>>2119537
>>2120608

No, what you're doing is contours and unnecessary detailing.

>>2120568
>>2120559
I think that reflected light is quite possible and not totally but may need to be adjusted a bit.
The core shadow suggest the light is coming from the left and the specular reflection do somewhat suggest that the light is shining on the left and reflected into the eye.
The one thing I'm not too sure on is the light reflection at the bottom of the sphere

>>2120559
use some common sense anon, if the light is coming from there why is your drop shadow there?

>>2120676
That's not me you're replying to. The Internet's a big place, broski.

Here's a fix. Better? Not quite there?

>>2120559
>gonna practice reference-less, bad spheres over and over again
Yes, I'm sure you'll see a lot of progress.

>>2120706
I'll find a reference. Thanks.

Been reading Vilppu and trying to do gestures(lesson 1) . When he says "start pushing outwards with your lines" what does he mean?

This isn't a pass, right?

>>2120729
Uh, did you do it upside down? Then you rotated it at the end? Wow i hadn't even considered that anyone would attempt this digitally.

>>2120736
>Uh, did you do it upside down?

Yes.

>Wow i hadn't even considered that anyone would attempt this digitally.

H-how come? First day on /ic/.

>>2120739
Nothing wrong with digital, just checking. Next to the original, your drawing looks extremely accurate like you actually used measuring. And it looks like you were modeling some of the forms instead of thinking in terms of line only. So i'm not sure... But i think you might want to try the exercise again. Try not to look at it as a picture of a man, but just a bunch of lines connected to each other.

>>2120630
Cant you see the gesture lines?

>>2120729
>>2120771
To add to this, look at the hand area in both pictures. There is a huge distance in your drawing between the hands and the crotch. but in the original picture there isn't that much. So you are supposed to be paying attention to relationships like this but not in terms of things like "hands" and "legs" but as just as lines and curves and their distances, shapes, etc.

This is why working on paper might be handier. You can have more opportunities to measure the distances from the edges of the paper for example. So you want to measure distances, not widths or lengths (not saying you did, but it kinda looks like it). The whole point of this exercise is to think visually (line, curves) not verbally (head, arm), so if you can do that, then you were successful.

value study
this is hard

>>2120837
reference

>>2119537
>>2120773
I think it would help if you did a few more and got better pictures of them. These don't look very much like gestures because gestures are usually very quick and capture only the essence of the pose. So it's not necessary to capture the physical characteristics of the model such as the areas of fat. Try to capture the pose with only a few well placed strokes.

>>2120771
Thanks for your input. I guess it wasn't a total failure then at least. I will try again.

>>2120833
Yes, even though I noticed the gap between the crotch and the hands I didn't really realise how large it actually was until I rotated the picture. Same with the head.

Thanks a lot, anon! I'll go at it again. Perhaps I should use another reference this time.

>>2120729
why do people keep posting this image?

>>2120884
IIRC its 1 of the excerises from the sticky and that draw on the right side book

>>2120870
Ok thank you.

>>2120884
It's the first exercise mentioned in the sticky. And it's a fairly classic one at that.

>>2120833
>So you want to measure distances, not widths or lengths
I understand that the point of the exercise is to draw lines and shapes as they actually are drawn in relation to each other rather than drawing your concept of an arm for example. But what exactly do you mean by this?

>>2120975
Like "this bump on the humerus is x way down" vs "here's where this point specific to this reference is on a grid"

>>2120975
Wow, I totally get how that could be confusing. Sorry. It's good to measure distances but not the widths or lengths of what you perceive as physical forms. Because then, you are still thinking verbally. It's fine to measure the lengths of the lines and you kinda have to do that, but don't measure the length of his arm for example. I know how that could be considered the same thing, but it's not. For the purposes of this drawing, the lines are the positive space and white paper is the negative space.

Also it's just an exercise to "awaken" that non verbal part of your thinking. You are not going to draw like this forever, and if you already know how to think visually, this exercise is no longer necessary. But once you get back to drawing normally, you will no longer do "symbol drawing" (that's the point at least).

>>2121006
keke

Thanks for explaining it to me. I just couldn't get it to align in my mind for some reason.

>>2120265
fucking pedophile

>>2121085
>oh no he drew a child!!
Kill yourself faggot.

>>2120773
>gesture lines
Do you seriously believe that's all there is to a gesture?

Finished picture. I liked how it turned out.

>>2120514
>>2121266
Are you trolling? On the off chance that you aren't, you should read the sticky.

>>2121266
Skip the effects and all that shit and learn fundamentals

>>2120889
>>2120897
oh I see thanks

>>2119537
I think this is great and you should continue to do that. You don't have to stick rigidly to some idealized trick.

hey /ic/ im looking to learn to draw. i cant draw shit yet. but i bought some books and want to get serious into this. ive got one question. can i jump right into digital painting? or do i "have to" learn the fundamentals with pen and paper? money isnt an issue here, looking to buy the 256gb version of the cintiq companion 2.

>>2121419
Cintiq won't make you better if you're shit.

>>2121434
thats for sure, i know. but i dont like graphic tablets, like im looking at the screen and drawing on that thing. i want to draw on the screen. and the idea of using it like a normal cintiq and while on the go is quite nice. i know it doesnt make me better, but can i just dive into it without going into that much pen and paper? (im obviously not native english, forgive my grammar)

>>2121413
I will continue thank you.

>>2121436
You can, you will need to learn the fundamentals with the cintiq and that will require watching a tutorial on your painting program of choice.

My advice would be to find the digital painting guide in the sticky and watch it until you know photoshops layout off the back of your hand.

>>2121436
Honestly, you can start on a Cintiq, but you'll have to master your tools; digitally, this is a tougher hurdle. Regardless, skills transfer over from traditional to digital and vice versa so it doesn't really matter where you start, in my opinion.

>>2121448
I started on traditional and my lines still suck in digital while are nearly perfect in traditional
wat do

>>2121443
>>2121448

im pretty familiar with photoshop even thought i never used it to draw and ive bought a gnomon subscription, (i guess that guide on there is updated to the current version) i think ill order the cintiq on monday, until then ill stick to paper and reading a little in the books obviously. thanks! :-)

>>2121469
I think you use other senses whilst drawing traditional, feel of the paper, the sound of the pencil scraping on the surface.

you don't have that with digital, its a lot like drawing on glass.
I think that's why.

>>2121469
It's a matter of mastering your tools, again. You don't know the best way of doing your lines digitally.
On paper, it's easier to you, because you've spent all of your life using a pen or pencil.
That's really all it boils down to. Mileage.

>>2120725
Bump. Would someone mind answering this question?

Are there exercises/tips to get rid of fuzzy lines? They're annoying but I can't draw without them.

>>2121630
Fuzzy lines usually come out when you dont plan ahead where the line is supposed to go but you are making tiny decisions as you go. Try making a point, then decide where you want it to end, then make your line (like connect the dots). You can practice doing this many times. Have some dots in place and connect them with the smoothest line you can make.

>>2121630
dynamic sketching from peter han really helps with line quality

>>2121699
>>2121743
Thanks, I'm doing that connect the dots thing for a while already and will look into that source.

>>2121766
How to Draw by Scott Robertson also has a section on this at the beginning.

>>2121630
What >>2121699 said, but you should generally place the dots before drawing the line. If you are still unsure, trace the line without drawing it first.

Placing the dots isn't a beginner help either. It is generally necessary.

>>2119520
Doesn't look exactly like him, but not bad at all. His face is more spaced out across his head, + I'd line up the nose with the philtrum. Too much work on the lips, less is more with the mouth remember. That aside, although he looks slightly cartoony (ear needs a look, and neck + shoulders have funky anatomy), Really decent picture. You have skill, nothing abominably wrong with it at all.

>>2121641
is she flexing and holding that form?

>>2121087
>wow he clearly had to draw the nipples and the vagina
End your life you fucking loser.

>>2120243
nice colours, fucked lighting, on knees especially. Have a look at his left arm, try and picture it from another angle. the elbow is bent funny, and it looks like it's attached to his chest. Made a few changes, obviously there's a few other things that need working on; general anatomy as seen in the hand and both feet, quite nice face though. I like your style, get gud.

>>2120325
pull the pose yourself, feel what other stuff you'd be doing. That stance looks very robotic, I'm sure a foot would be twisted slightly or one leg would be taking more weight than the other.

>>2120330
this is gud

>>2122482
What are you doing staring at a child's nipples and vagina from a barely visible angle in a poorly made drawing, you dirty child molester?

>>2121310
mouth doesn't fill up face well enough, extremely pointy chin, hair needs a redo (draw the shape oh the entire head first, as if he was bald), also neck is busted bud, retry. Everything else is quite decent.

>>2121085
>>2121087
>>2122482
>>2122506
Kek.
let's hope this one won't look to young, Still gota figure out the whole hips and legs thing, and everthing else offcourse.

>>2120837
the right breast should be lighter than the left

One day I wont chicken scratch. But not today.

>>2122601
wondered why that man was marching with an erection... but no. Just my mind playing tricks again.

>>2118209
I don't know much about it so take it with a grain of salt, but contrast plays a really big part on something so like dependent. Also work on having different thickness to your lines.

>>2122497
thanks but why dod you make him taller and bend is arm?

ass

>>2122676
Not from this angle. Also take it to the porn thread.

>>2122702
>doing study of nudes counts as porn
it's when she has a dick inside, it's porn
but that's just my opinion

>>2122702
>take it to the porn thread
>nude figure is porn
Quit art, faggot.

What do you guys think of charcoal / white pastel combo. I find it to be a much more fun alternative to erasing charcoal off with a kneaded eraser, anyone else tried this ?

>carefully draws construction cube
>nearly perfect hand-drawn straight lines
>goldfish mode
>rest of "sculpt study" is chicken scratch hasty-nasty
How to avoid this shit? Bane of my existence it is.

>>2122615
Now I wish that he was having a boner.

>>2122749
Now I wish that he was having a boner.

and now I post again

>>2120839
Just gave it a shot, i have no idea what im doing.

>>2122676
Fuck

>>2122941
Holy proportions batman, why does it take me so long to realize.

>>2122941
drew it smaller

>>2122943
i always find that if i take a picture of my work i can instantly spot a bunch of mistakes i previously had missed, definitely a good way to look at yr work differently

>>2122904
sorry the the face I drew was bothering me so i did this

>>2122702
>she's asian. Therefore it's porn.

Is that a good method to start drawing anatomy? I'm afraid my people will like pasta or too cartoonish using this method.

>>2123073
Also, does it respect anatomy proportions?

>>2123073
Is this your work? If so, what are your studies? Interesting method, looks nice.

>>2123073
Is this from David Finch?

>>2123079
Not mine. It's David Finch work. I'm asking about it because I don't understand of anatomy, and if something in his work/anatomy construction looks wrong, I'll drop it immediately. Here's more from him. So people can tell me.

>>2123081
Yes.

>>2123085
Never seen his stuff, but judging from the screen shot you posted, looks good. However, if you really want to understand more about anatomy, you should read over "Anatomy for Sculptors". And keep the book by you, you'll be going back to it for future reference.

>>2122550
disgusting

absolutely disgusting.

Critiques, opinions on it? "Fleshing" the character is difficult.

>>2123135
Forgive the chicken scratch in this one, I was drawing in 50% on paint.

i have a question, i often read somethin like "wow that looks polished" what does polished mean in that case? (total noob here, be kind )

>>2123135
>>2123137
Beside the chicken scratch, hand and feet, you're on the right track. But why use Paint? Isn't it pain in the ass?

>>2123163
Thanks man. I plan to practice the feet and hand separately.

>But why use Paint? Isn't it pain in the ass?
It's the way I found to don't get distracted with "magical" brushes&amazing effects and actually focus on fundamentals.

how do these rocks and clouds look?

>>2122996
there is a very strong dissonance between the cleanly, soft lines painted on his face and the chaotic lines elsewhere. You need to find a way to unify your style more.

First time doing a landscape, but with lots of imagination added. Experimenting with different strokes representing different things. Like leaves vs bushes and stuff.

>>2123182
yeah that might be a good idea

r8 m8
Looks messy cause on a shitty group drawing site.

>>2123196
If he didn't have the eyepatch he would be unrecognizable.
What you should take away from this is that you've got a way to go.
3/10

>>2123187
.. Done?

>>2123218
They look like trees.
But seeing as how you're not rendering anything, you're going to for something more "simple". In that case, if you think you're done, then you are done.

However, I usually do the Peter Han method where you draw the outline of the tree and shade in the shadows.

>>2123283
>Peter Han method

Where can I find this video?

What should i learn first?

Figure drawing or anatomy?

Another day, another drawing. I was spending more time on that shity mouth than I would like to admit, can't imagine how much harder it will be with actual lips and more complex expressions.

>>2123480
>
you have to be joking

>>2123480
You really should improve your line quality and work on some gestures since the pose you've chosen is pretty silly.

Also the torso isn't big/long enough for her legs and arms. I shouldn't have to say anything about the feet, I bet you had some real trouble with them already.

>>2123480
>I will draw the same shit every day
>this is bound to make me improve
Go study some fucking fundamentals.

>>2123433
Honestly, I found figure drawing easier to get into. You just kinda.. jump in, y'know? However, I would do both at the same time. You should understand your gestures and why they look that way.

>>2117470
Nice. Keep doing what you're doing and maybe even do a study of one of the photographs (for 3 hours or something.) You should also consider picking up a softer pencil, it really helps you 'feel' the flow of the pose more.

>>2123179
Use reference for clouds, use a bigger brush because your strokes look so.. scratchy.

i can do basic perspective and babbys first city drawings all day but i can for shit draw anything along the lines of loomis's blooks. my shit just looks like aids. what the fuck

Posting in this board is demoralizing as fuck but any advice is good advice.
This one is a bit desaturated and I couldn't get it to work.

This is one that I did in a few minutes without actually paying attention, I just kinda started a line and saw where that took me. That explains why the hand looks like shit.

And in this one I'm trying something I saw in a youtube video. Not my zone of comfort.
(Basically all I post today is getting away from my zone of comfort, and that's exactly why I'm posting it, to get advice)

First attempt at perspective drawing. 1-point.

>>2123597
forgot to attach.

These are made withing 1 to 2 minutes, and sorry if there are some that are repeated, that's because I make each individually and then I just threw them randomly.
(Gesture practice)
(This was a pain to upload, "File too large" says 4chan, fuck you.

>>2123596
EDIT: Looks like I forgot to shade the little cloth that's hanging in front of her legs. No, her legs are not 2 inches wide.

>>2123598
I'm no expert so I can't give good advice, but I can freely say that I like it.

>>2123599
You're drawing contours, not the gestures.

>>2123598
I like the overall composition apart from the guy you placed in the middle. He's kinda just standing there like an idiot. The image might look more interesting if he was, say, covering behind whatever the thing to his left is, peeking out. It's unclear if the creature is walking away after wrecking the place or coming towards a place that's already a dump. I would either wreck the buildings some to show this guy really was here and fucked the place up. The dumpster full of trash suggests the place is already a dump, however.

>>2123663
Thanks, I was working off of pic attached, and overall followed what was on it. I added the mech in the back for the heck of it. Decided to add the gut because it's like he's going to battle the mech.

I was a little edgy when making this, you may have noticed, but really I was pumped for "the division".

pls crit. also ignore the shitty mask I'll deal with that later

>>2123537
im using the 30 pxl hard brush. youre saying i should use the 100 pixel? and anything specifically wrong with the clouds?

>>2123717
and the canvas is a lot larger i should add, 4000x3000 i think

Long story short, I need sprites for my game. I'm not an artist, and I don't want to draw flawless realistic pictures with perfect shadows e.t.c.
I want to achieve some manga/black and white comicbook effect, what should I read/learn to improve my sprites without spending years (well, I don't think I was productive all these ~2 years, but I was also coding/working with sound/music and shit)

How do I into shadows?

I'm trying to draw porn but I'm an absolute retard when it comes to lighting apparently. Is there a general rule of thumb for this sort of things or am I going to have to read 90 pages of Loomis again?

>>2123768
It's easy, just figure the light source and you're set.

Is gitting gud really worth it?

>>2123791
what kind of fuck nigga question is this

>>2123768
You need to understand simple 3D forms and how light affects them. Even though arms have all sorts of muscles and shit, on the big scale they can be simplified as cylinders. You start with lighting them as you would a cylinder in relation to the light source. You take the same idea with the whole body (I.E. sphere for the cranium, etc.). THEN you zoom in and start applying it for the details you want to accentuate.

That's basically it. You cannot even get started on lighting if you don't understand form and your drawings are absolutely flat. Then you want proportion and anatomy so you can apply the concepts to the body parts. And of course, color is its own can of worms.

>>2123791
If you'll regret not doing it for the rest of your life, yes.

If you can go on living without giving a fuck, no.

When doing gesture, how do I get my mind off drawing contours?

Also if I want to start drawing better from imagination what's the best steps to take? I've read some of Loomis' fun with a pencil but that's only helped me with faces

>>2123530
I think it would just take a bit much time to refine all the lines, I don't plan turning this stuff into real drawings.
The gesture wasn't realy planed to end up like that, or planed at all. I honestly didnt noticed the how small the torso is before, and yes feet are a nightmare to draw. Thanks for all of that, I will keep that in mind for future pics.

>>2123532
Its not like I draw any of the poses twice.
like I mentioned before, I'm terrible at studying/practising stuff. I know thats a very bad excuse but turning drawing into work would just make me quit it.

>>2123857

If you're still drawing contours, lower the time and just think before you draw. think about the gesture before you draw.

Just draw from imagination every day, doesn't have to be good, just do it, the more you do, the easier it becomes.

Holy fuck all this negative space is really intimidating. Not to mention I have no practice drawing a concise background.

You know what, I just don't know what I'm doing. That should be fairly apparent.

>>2123817
I'm somewhere in between. It's fucking annoying.

why is everything so difficult?

>>2123988
Wrong one

>>2123988
>>2123990
dem res

shit nig

>>2124031
i still feel like its too low, i run out of room quick doing 30 sec gestures.

>>2124076
>>2124076
>>2124076
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