/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

How does one do things? Where do you even start?

>>2110538
I mean do I just fill it in with a random colour and then start adding values? Do I start with values and add colour later? Do I work with both at the same time and fuck up like pic related? Where does a man start?

>>2110538
>>2110540
Here's what is generally suggested anon. I shall attempt to show the process to go along with this. I should note before hand that I am a pleb and my skills are shitty, do not take this as my own advice, it is the advice I have been given by those much better than me.

Start- Examine the pose, try to get an idea of everything. Example- observe she's leaning back, so her chest and ribs should be pushed out farther than her head and shoulders. There is a curve to her pose starting from her head it goes to the left and then turns back and heads to the right as her legs leave the frame.

Do a gesture next. It may take several attempts to get it right. Do not decide that your first attempt was good enough, keep them loose and remember to exaggerate! There is a tendency to straighten things out, we do not want this if we want the pose to feel alive.

Once you find a decent gesture start to refine it with actual forms. Begin to lightly lay in forms of the major components of the body, the chest, the hips, the head and neck, then the arms and legs.

After that you should begin to define a light source and potentially start shading / coloring. Do this as roughly and with the largest brushes you can.

Remember do not get caught up in details, details come last, work big with general shapes and SLOWLY refine them down to something better. Remember to constantly check your reference and think about what you are doing. Don't just try to draw what you see try to draw and understand what is going on with the pose and the anatomy that makes it possible.

Pictures forth coming, again they will not be very good, but in an effort to better myself and help the board I will gladly expose myself to ridicule.

>>2110556
Here's my example of starting basically this is just gesture attempts 1 and 2.... I also usually take notes of what I'm screwing up on so I remember what to focus on. Gestures should be fast, but I am slow.

>>2110538
Definitely do a solid drawing first. Perhaps just do a line drawing for this one and focus on getting form and proportions right before going into painting.

>>2110538
>>2110538
omg wtf

>>2110671
/ic/ don't be like this dumb ass, please

At least attempt to be helpful, like that other anon.

Pencil attempt.

I don't think I'll be working with graphite on newsprint anymore. Think I'll switch to charcoal so I can get solid darks.

Torso is a bit short, forehead is long. I tried!

>>2110830
Haha, damn I kinda fucked up her left eye, too.
That's easy to fix, tho.

>>2107753
Am I the only one who thinks this pic looks a little weird? Like something going on with her neck, and her breasts look like plastic or rubber to me.

>>2110836

>>2110830

>>2110837
Yeah, she's stretching her trapezius quite a bit, this along with the shadows makes it look weird.

Breasts look ok to me, right one is bigger though, haha :D

>>2110843
When you say fucked up, were you talking about how the eyes are looking in different directions? Because the fix looks pretty much the same to me.

>>2110850
I dunno, it was all crooked and too high up.

Yeah, I think my left-right bias is coming into play here also, so I'm showing too much of the left side of her face. I didn't have the opportunity to flip the picture horizontally until I scanned it, as I don't have a mirror around.

>>2110830
Nice job, you did really well, but yeah her head could use some more work

I learned a lot from doing this study. I went through and made some custom brushes, too.

Took me a few hours, but I think I'm getting a method down.

Here I am at about an hour, thanks for the challenge OP. Gonna start mirroring/working on the negative spaces once i get the bases tuned in

focused on the process, not happy with the likeness at all but pretty pleased with the speed. need to do soo many more of these to learn how to observe these properly.

>>2111042
the steps

Thanks OP, had a good time. Really liking everyones work in this thread.

>>2110556
thanks a lot for that, i'll make sure to do it next time

my question was more to do with painting though, while i know i still suck at drawing im very interested in painting so im trying to learn both, the person who taught me what little i know never started with lines, they painted blocks of colours and stuff and rarely actually drew lines, i'm also wondering how i should get started with painting it, should i use a big solid colour first and then start shading it and colour it eventually or do what i did in pic related and just fail

>>2111042
The softness of the rendering is making her look really rubbery, and you've put too many shadows in the face.

I would have picked out certain areas to sharpen ie make the blending more abrupt and less airbrushed

>>2111341
The face/head looks really great. Haha, looks like cross between the model and lindsay lohan.

I think you're having the same issue of rubbery rendering as >>2111042 although I appreciate that you've added in some variation in textures. The spotted texture is not doing anything for you, though.

>>2110990
Looks pretty good, except the eyes and mouth look pasted on. Facial features might be too small, also.

>>2111022
I think you need to start again with the drawing, the pose is quite a bit off. Mainly, she's leaning to our left, but also remember that the plane of her body starting above her breasts is going up and back: It's reading flat right now and her right shoulder is not being pushed back enough. I would also say her head is too big and tall. Lastly, I would resolve the drawing a bit more before starting to paint, especially in the hands and face.

any advice?

>>2111645
Resize your image, and rotate it.

Head is too small, arms are too large. You aren't getting enough bend in the pose, you straightened it out a bit. There is a twist occurring between the ribcage and the pelvis, but it doesn't come through in your sketch. I'd say try again, maybe a few more times. You are off to a good start but don't settle for this as your foundation to begin working on a final piece.

Any hope for me

>>2111851
There's something very appealing about the values, especially in the chest/breast area. I would still suggest rendering the hands and the face further. Practice on other models if you're having trouble with this one; you can always come back to try again.

>>2110589
haha what a fucking joke

It took me about 45 min to reach that point, and her face doesnt look nothing like the model :\

>>2111917
I can see you're struggling to get the basic forms down. That's good, you'll get better eventually!

I would try fading out and going over this drawing again with a more precise brush. This time go way slower and be careful!

>>2111897
Thanks for that helpful critique anon, please show me the way.

>>2111950
Damn anon, do you take apprentices?

>>2111950
I will suck your dick.

>>2111931
I also think that maybe it's because it's one of my first atempts to draw seriously in my tablet.

>>2111950
Do you paint with opacity pressure or just slider?

>that skin

call me gay, but bleh

>>2111645
work 4x as large so your drawing can actually function
if you're going to use line, use it to describe the internal structure as well as the outline (which honestly I think you should stay away from)
measure things against eachother. The space from shoulder to elbow against the span of the shoulders, the width of the hip against the height of the head. Everything should relate to everything.

likeness is off but.. meh i learned some stuff i feel pretty clumsy with photoshop still

honestly fuck faces really not even going to liquify this shit
>>2111341
when you're hatching make your strokes go along the surface of the thing you're describing. Like her left tit looks super flat because you're circling around it in a 2D manner.
Also focus more on big forms before you dive too deep, right now your stomach is a bit messy and shows no signs of protrusion. My suggestion to you is to start drawing from what you KNOW and it's evident in the chest area that are largely drawing what you SEE. Details and hue variations are whatever but if you lose sight the big picture (like egg shape for ribcage, cylinder for arms, her left arm looks poopy) it will fall apart.
>>2111882
that's because he changed the lighting to softly focus on the chest area
>>2111950
this is actually really fucking good i should try to deviate from the model a bit more

I noticed at the last minute I made the head too big and neck too short. Despite that, I feel like I learned a bit from this exercise; maybe I'll do better next time.

>>2107753
this chick is like top fap material. holy shit.

>>2112028
The lines make it look weird. Lines don't exist in real life, man.

>>2110830
You made her a midget by shortening the torso, really nice attempt tho.

>>2111341
Pretty good, but you raised her shoulders without raising the hands thus they look too big.

She a bit of a Butterface, but I'll fix er up

>>2112036
Thanks anon.
>2111341 here. Legit as fuck advice, I'll take it to heart.

>>2112397
Fukken sweet brah!

>>2112397
Pretty good effort all around, although this is my personal favorite so far.

>>2112397

Pretty sweet dude. Whats you're technique for achieving that mix of soft and hard edges?

Im sensing clipping masks and opacity transfer set to pen pressure or....?

>>2112410
>>2112465
thanks

>>2112480
I try to paint pretty straight forward. Soft round, a bit of smudge tool here and there and a hard, angular brush with opacity set to pen pressure. I don't use clipping masks.

>>2112529
>I'm a noon
angular brush?

>>2112584
>noob

>>2112584
He means a round brush that is made into an oval one and tilted. It's made using Window>Brush>Brush Tip Shape.

>>2112592
You need a cintiq or intous for that with a special pen, right? What if you can't afford all that?

>>2111045
the eyes are abit high up though

>>2112598
You don't have to use the 6D art pen. You can just keep the brush window open, and drag the icon to rotate the brush as needed. It won't give you fine control during a stroke, but it will suffice.

>>2112397
gotbab?

>>2112592
Thank you, will try this out when I get home.

color study

>>2112699
nice

my first study with my new tablet

feels much more comfortable than my old tablet, that's for sure

i think i picked a color that was too light. i was gonna do a color study but then i decided against it. do you guys select colors directly from the reference in color studies or is it better to eyeball them?

>>2112789

im a fucking idiot

>>2112789
always eyeball them. don't use the color picker on your reference for your studies

>>2112699
Fucking hell Catbib, lovely stuff as always! Any tips on creating that sort of fluid "easy" brushwork? Like I feel my stuff has a much more laboured feel to it. How much do you fiddle with brushstrokes and shapes? Do you repaint the same area a lot or use ctrl z?

>>2112790

Add value, and spend a couple of days drawing faces to get more confident.

>you're doing fine

>>2112828
i think it'll come naturally just the more confident you get with your decisions. i don't mess with shapes too much, but i will usually ctrl z if i misplace a brush mark, especially because in photoshop it can be hard to tell where a mark will actually go because you can't see the physicial brush tip in front of you. here are some basic steps if that helps http://i.imgur.com/fm0eive.jpg

>>2112848
Sweet, thanks for the reply and steps, it helps.

>>2107753
oh jeebus help me

>>2112848
> http://i.imgur.com/fm0eive.jpg

not that I don't appreciate seeing your process

>>2112848
Can you share your brushes?

I could do this with charcoal no worries, but I'm a photoshop noob. What techniques would I need to learn to create a look like this >>2112397
beyond simply using the pressure sensitivity?

>>2112993
soften that edge on the bottom of the left tit and you're golden. Nice study

>>2113050
http://www.mediafire.com/download/1dnvb9c8pcay58g/2015+6+7.tpl

>>2113096
Thank you

>>2113080
Sorry, can't help you. I also do traditional work and quite frankly I'm still shit at this and hence won't be posting my work until tomorrow (and, spoiler it's gonna be shitty). But I'm wondering, why not do both? I'd love to see some more traditional work here

I laughed and then i cried, nice ref tho.

>>2111950
fuck you
>>2112397
fuck you
>>2112828
fuck you

Here is an update, really liking what i see in the thread!! Keep it up guys.

>>2107753
cheap old rollerball

a bit stretched vertically, face is different

do point things out, i'm a beginner

>>2111917
I have a suggestion for an exercise that could help you learn even more from this drawing. Since you did it digitally, I suggest lowering the opacity and doing a quick one-over with some new, cleaner lines on a new layer. They don't have to be perfect, just definitive and clear. I wouldn't suggest spending more then 10 min doing it either, because it's just to help you see your own drawing better. Then, delete or hide the sketch layer, and bam, you'll better see your mistakes. After you do that, look carefully at it, look at angles, proportions, and relationships of the pic and look at what you drew. Use a pen or something to measure distances (collarbone to nipple, nipple to arm etc) and angles to see where you were off. Ask things like 'what angle does the bottom of the breasts have with each other? What shapes are the negative spaces between her arms? Angles of the arms? How much does the body twist?' etc. If you're having a hard time seeing them, copy-pasta your lines onto the ref, and you'll see them clear as day. Then try to draw it again fresh.

And I wouldn't worry too much about the face, tbh. Likeness is pretty tricky, and it's not necessary at your current stage. Redrawing something can seem boring or tedious, but it's a really great way to learn from your mistakes and improve. Good luck.

havent done a study like this in a while so i thought i'd give it a quick shot, heres what i ahve so far

>>2113268
Don't paint on a white background since value is relative, and you are changing the entire image that way. The lighting on her would not look the way it is in a white room, and through contrast she appears much darker.

>>2113270
wow it cerrtainly has been a while lol. thanks, ill switch that up now

ggggggggg

>>2113193
I love you too

>>2113096
thanks. unfortunately it doesn't work with cs6, which version is this for?

>>2113096
What's a .tpl? I can't seem to open it. Is there a trick to it or some way of converting it? Or can you please upload them as an .abr? Cheers!

>>2113268
im done with this for now, feeling pretty happy with my results:)

>>2113301
>>2113304
they are tool presets. go to window > tool presets. on the upper right click on the dropdown menu select "load tool presets" or "replace tool presets"

>>2111962
>this is why I keep practicing

>>2113328
How can you get these in a brush set? I want to use them in conjunction with other brushes I have.

>>2113339
i think you would just have to select the tool preset, open the brush presets window, and click the "create new brush" button for each of the presets you want to transfer. sorry if it's inconvenient, i just use the tool presets 99% of the time

>>2113314
said i was done but i kept working so

>>2113370
Try and be conscious of the edges. Every appealing image has a balance of soft, firm and sharp edges. If you are trying to paint everything with a hard brush to avoid the overly rendered soft look, that's fine, but you still need to show a difference between form shadows and cast shadows.

>>2113385
thanks for the tip, ill keep that in mind for my next one! this is my first attempt at painting with photoshop so i just stuck with the first brush i liked

>>2113389
For a first attempt in photoshop that is really nice! Better than what most people can do. Just do more paintings and experiment with different brushes and tools and whatnot and slowly familiarize yourself with the program through experimentation :)

>>2110990
Do you have any tutorial for painting like this?

Advice, please! I suck at painting.

>>2113411
Your sketch sucks too, no offense. You better brush up on your sketching skill first before you can start painting but I don't know, you might be brilliant but have just messed up on that only painting.

>>2113412
Thank you!

>>2112848
>>2112699
So when you paint in color, are you separating warm from cool colors and adding values on top of that?

her face goddamnit

>>2112397
Shiet man, blog pls

>>2113420
no i don't really have any formulas like that, sorry. i just try to get the colors and values right. i don't really think in terms of warm or cool when im painting. i think those terms are convenient for analysis but i personally always found them confusing when trying to make decisions about color. i just think about the color makeup of the lightsources, and if you later want to analyze them then they naturally break down into relative warms or cools anyway if you did it right.

>>2112956
what the fuck

Some fucking rendering and color monsters in this thread.

>>2113416

Your proportions are innacurate

>>2112993
i thought you were catbib for a moment if that means anything to you.

Are you KJ?

datface

>>2113513
That looks pretty shitty, how could you compare it to catbib? It looks firez tier

OPs image is absolutely terrible to study colour from. Tried to fix it a little, but I'm still not going to stay true to this when studying it.
The colours in the original are very muddy and while fine in a photo, it looks gross in a painting.

>>2113555
You're wrong. It isn't Catbib level but on first glance it shares a lot of style similarities.

>>2113559
Nicer values but you totally oversaturated it and pushed the warms too much.

>>2107753
can we draw males too please? Can I have a reference at least? Im sick of boobs

>>2113559
>>2113579
Really makes those tan lines pop

>>2113585

>>2113587
hes not naked :(

>>2113559
>editing the original
What value do you find in doing that automatically?
You're intended to do that as an internal process in painting; to exercise your ability to choose harmonious colours without reference. You can easily spot the incompetent studies in this thread who fail to realise this- if you make it easier for them, they'll never learn.

>2015
>thinking studies are 1-1 copies
tired of your shit

>>2113585

>>2113604
Sorry, I just wanted to help beginners who aren't yet able to think about everything while painting.

>>2113559
OP's image is absolutely perfect for a color study.

It uses subtle NON BLOWN OUT colors that allow you to actually test your abilities in seeing varying hues.

What you did to the image made it ugly and basically put it on easy mode.

>>2113591
Ok, how the fuck do I find the scapula in this reference?

I almost never do studies. I'm in the process of doing as close to 1-to-1 as I can, but apparently this isn't the right approach to take. Please enlighten me, I'm kind of clueless at this point.

I almost never do studies. I'm in the process of doing as close to 1-to-1 as I can, but apparently this isn't the right approach to take. Please enlighten me, I'm kind of clueless at this point.

>>2113621
it's what's compressing the trapezius muscles and separates the upper and lower trapezius

fuck my life

>>2113591

wow, isn't his traps getting squashed a bit too much ? isn't that fucking dangerous ?

I mean, I know muscles are tough and flexiblee but it looks like it's ready to burst.

>>2113759
They aren't getting squashed, they are contracting - as in doing what they're intended to do.

Plus, the trapezius is attached to the scapula, which is functionally a floating bone over the ribcage.

this is taking me too long

>>2113794
Well I mean, they are getting squashed. There's a barbell with hundreds of kg's directly sitting on his shoulders.

But as you say the muscles are engaged and so "pop" from that, and also he is some famous chinese weightlifter (forget his name though) who has one of the most muscular/defined backs in the entire world, so the effect is even stronger.

>>2113630
what happened with this image?

>>2113947
I think 4chan was being difficult for a short time. I saw other images that did the same thing.

Please forgive the muddy colors, I wasn't finished.

didn't like it, so I stopped. twice.

too tired to do any more so there
first time doin one of these, was a pretty fun exercise
>>2114036 i feel you bro, same thing happened to me and i kept switching programs to see if i could eventually do it and ugh

>>2114112
eh forgot to make it not so blindingly huge

>>2113986
actually this is pretty good, if you are looking for a more realistic skin texture, try you hand at glazing. It takes quite a lot of effort and time, but totally worth it.

>>2107753

>>2112397
so freaking boss. I feel I learned just looking at this one.

really need to work on my faces

>>2114243
Hers right breast of too low. Hers head is too displaced to the left from the spectator. (Lie by the embellishment) The resolution of photograph is too low for the detail portrait, by my opinion.

>>2114226
hands are tiny

>>2112699
>>2113096
These are fantastic and I actually love them. If you're still around, would you mind giving a quick overview of their use/some of the names? I mean there's the obvious ones but in short
>[HD] [S] [T] [A] [R] [WC] etc
>Rake,Track, Dry Chalk, Wet
When would you use track exactly, is it just purposely to create a texture? Stuff like that.

>>2114500
the naming conventions are just for convenience in ordering them and most of them are outdated because i change my presets all the time. for example [s] meant shape, [e] edge, [t] transition, etc. i don't have any set way that i determine a specific type of brush should be used. i think it's better to just be open minded and experiment and try to think of what fits your needs in a particular situation, and let yourself be surprised sometimes

Tried my hand at another one after looking at Catbib's steps. Didn't use his brushes cause I couldn't get them to integrate with mine.

>>2114585
Ref for those interested in studying hte same ref

>>2107753
My hand hurts too bad to finish her hands and any more rendering at the moment, lol. I dunno if I'm pressing too hard on the tablet?

The eyes were the most challenging for me, well, facial proportions in general. I can see things are still looking a bit "cartoon". I may try to redo her face, maybe not.

This woman has an interesting body and pose. Good pick OP!

>>2114585
looks great man!

Holy shit I get so lost whenever I try and get the rendering started on a study like this. Anyone know of a good book on the matter?

>>2114610
you wont learn it from a book. just keep trying and failing

>>2114610
Stimulant drugs can help too.

>>2114610
Honestly, what I've from experience more than anything else is that it doesn't fucking matter. As long as you get pen down on paper, or the tablet equivalent, you've gotten somewhere. Sometimes I'll start with a line sketch so I can feel the rhythm out and go crazy in that direction, other times I'll just get grey, make the silhouette, clipping mask above or lock transparency, and throw in the darks. Above all else, just go and attack it somehow. You'll learn more in that process than by reading.

>>2114748
Good advice! Really you will make your own flow eventually. The trick is persistence. In my study I definitely had to re-do the face and several areas more than 10 times; try not to let that be discouraging, but part of your learning process.

>>2114595
You a musician by any chance? My hand cramps up extremely quickly when I draw, and even massaging it only barely helps.

Try massaging the areas marked by an X in my pic related, they tend to be the root cause of a lot of hand cramps. I like to do this
>Lie on ground or find flat surface
>Put ball down
>Bend arm, putting palm flat down (thumb pointing to me) onto the ball so that its putting pressure on the area.
>Use your other arm + head for more pressure, roll it back and forth along the arm
If you find a spot that has kind of a "good hurt" to it, hang around there for a little bit. Come back to it a few times a day for a minute or two at a time. Helped a lot when my hand cramped up playing guitar and drawing.

wip

I accidentally drew a totally different person.

>>2114831
I do play piano. I have a suspicion I am not using enough of my more built shoulder and forearm (not sure if it matters but the wrist mostly hurts?). I'm used to large traditional paper / canvas where I don't run into this pain. Recently just got a large intuos...way different than my squishy paintbrushes.

I appreciate the tips anon. I'll need to remember to massage and stretch next time as well :)

I am going to also try switching out the nibs and pen holder shape to see if there's something a little more ergonomic. Rattle rattle.


Keep up the good work guys, lots of inspiration in this thread

>>2114889
This is so difficult and time consuming. I wish I could paint as fast and effortlessly as some people here. How can I paint faster? Also general crit pls.

>>2114906
You're right it does look pretty different to the original but I still like it. The nose and lips look good.

>>2111645

Use your eyes, you're not seeing the image, you're looking at it, drawing, and repeat. Study every muscle, every curve, look at her body. Just look at the image, follow the curve and angle with your pencil without looking at what you're drawing. USE your eyes.

>>2107753
Yo, someone toss in a male model. I'm sick of seeing boobs.

>>2115010
maybe you are but i'm not

>>2107753
First time praticing with colors like this. Tried sketching but it didn't work out, decided to just go with the flow. First attempt on the right, second attempt in the middle.

>>2114955

Difficult and time consuming is what art is. You can't produce art like the people posting here if you do not practice every single day. If you're not prepared to do this every day, quit now.

Here's another ref.

>>2115121

Also, for all the new people, I would recommend you read these following pages.

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=490884

>>2114587
fuck this ugly ass bitch, shes the worst fucking model to use as a reference

>>2115121
He's right, art is very time consuming and can be difficult at times. It requires a lot hard knowledge that you get from practicing. You don't get good over night. Its like anyother job or hobby, take a lot of time and effoet to learn how to do it right and even more time to troubleshoot. Take learning perspective I knew a guy Daniel McGaowan took him years before he could just eye perspective and he may still need to fix. The difference between art and a job like being a lawyer is your medium. If you can concince a jury you are half way there.

trying something other than the regular circle brush

>>2115121
Stroke practice mostly.

>>2115121
Not really what I was looking for but thanks for the tip captain obvious.

>>2114585
I like this even more than catbib's

>>2114585
Real nice work, seeing what that ref looks like makes the study even more impressive imo

>>2115121

>>2114603
>>2115558
>>2115597
Thanks guys!

>>2115422
Nice job! The brushstrokes on the face though are all around the exact same size. Try getting a bit more variation in there. You can probably simplify some strokes together into one big stroke, and others you can break up with an even smaller brush. It will help build more variety into it and make it much more interesting as well as read more clearly and have better form. Careful of a few strokes that are like, mini rectangles there, just very harsh. All four sides are super sharp. They stick out oddly and flatten the image.

kek

god my proportion is fucking terrible

let's do a master study, gray scaling this image would make it mush easier for new comers

Poop

>>2114610
Stop running away from it and escaping to books.

>>2114585
>Catbib's steps
Maybe I'm just retarded, but where are his steps that you're speaking of?

>>2113591
based lu

>>2115422
>practicing stroke

>>2116162
>>2112848

>>2114226
recheck those eyes.

>>2116196
>http://i.imgur.com/fm0eive.jpg
Awesome, thanks

>>2113753
I like the parts that you saw the most in this though! Good job!

>>2113587
a quick one before bed

wip
trying to stylize the reference material but retain its lighting/dimension
got work in the morning tho :(

>>2116746
-introduce more saturated dark greens to the shadow side
-it looks like she has no obliques, even if it's stylized you still have to follow anatomical forms. You can easily remedy this by moving up the part where her torso is squished a bit, it's really just a placement issue
-her titties are really wonky in terms of form. esp her right tit looks very solid and not soft at all
-nice face
-her arms are fucking long but idk if that's what you're going for

>>2116746

You're not the guy from the Princess thread, are you? I really like your style.

>>2116746
CRAZY long arms. The wrist typically lines up with the pubic bin when standing upringht and arms straight down.

>>2116781
these pics are not related in anything

>>2116746
stylization doesnt mean "ruin the anatomy entirely and dont bother looking at the ref"

Furthest I'll go

am i doing it right. i spent about an hour so far. its my first time painting a figure

>>2116884
forgot the thing

>>2112252
nice work man, i especially like the hands, they almost look identical to the picture

>>2116781
I'm not

Thanks for the advice everyone I'll see what can do.

>>2114226
>>2114323
>>2116243
Tried to fix the issues,

>>2116885
why this color choice? did you colorpick or something? doesn't look good at all. also, pay attention to the values

>>2116888
Good old /ic/
Just tell him what's wrong with his drawing... Imagine being at a beginner level and only getting this kinda feedback

>>2116976
yeah youre right the color is off pretty bad, i need to add more realistic skin colors. i was wondering about the anatomy though

>>2110990
How do you paint like this?

Suck with face how is the body

this took way too long for a "quick study". really struggled with her hands, face, and basically everything. Oh well, time to practice more.

>>2117165
You're not at the level where you should be drawing people yet.

>>2117173
Then what should i be practicing on I can draw animals and objects

>>2117183
You're not as good at animals or objects as you think, judging from the drawing you posted. Work on simple forms (cubes, cylinders, etc) in perspective. Accuracy is paramount for this to pay off.

>>2117202
Got it

>>2117205

Not him, but you agreed and that was that. What is going on in this thread? lol

Here

https://link.getsync.com/#f=Sample%20Pictures&sz=32E8&s=YDIMNOQRUEJSWP43PXOMWXZFK3B6VZO4&i=CSMRWQ4VRIXANH5IEFAQSOFN3HIQO52VT&p=CDEIIYML5SOH7HWEMUBFIDFQHRV5NJI2&e=1434567162

It's Sync, full of reference for new/intermediate people. No virus, lots of smut, all art resources.

>>2117227
Not him?? Ok thanks anyway

>>2117233

I was just surprised, usually people blow up and get offended. 10/10 I like you, go download my art porn folder. It's full of juicy knowledge.

>>2115121

>>2117262

so fucking close to this.

>>2117292
Yeah no.

>>2117240
Wow this is a lot of information on some of them I wish I can understand japanese also this is a drawing I did in art class

>>2117379

Don't worry about the language, just focus on the visual information.

>>2113468
>>2112699
>>2112397
>>2112529
>>2112610


Thank you catbib, for your advice It has really helped me understand things. Thank you again.

>>2112252
work on gestures

whatever, I give up

>>2112397
thick, solid, tight brushstrokes. Juicy form.

>>2117171
This is my favorite one. The lower perspective makes it more of a hero shot, which I like.

>>2117944
Those colors and the neck make her look like a zombie, kek. Add some bites and scratches, wreck her face a bit and it will be perfect.

>>2117944
Be Advised

>>2107753
Please post a bigger res image next time. I had too much trouble with the face.

>>2118319
Other people were fine with it that size. It's also a useful skill to be able to use reference that isn't ideal--either in lighting or size or whatever. You need to be able to translate information from these poor sources very often when you are working as a professional and you have no better options.

>>2118322
Face is way too small compared the head and body.

>>2118332
I redid the face a few times, completely lost sight of the end result. I do that often. Thanks for the heads up.

>>2116574

Anon you don't have any hard edges.

>>2111042
neck + head is kinda lopsided.

>>2112036
Dem photo-real titties. Holy shit anon.

>>2113416
you've given her bigger boobs, wider hips and cartoonish style.

>>2116975
Looks real. Doesn't look like the same as OP's, but looks real.

>>2116781
>>2116746
This is a new meme. I love ic

>>2119414
?

>>2116833

fucking casual learn from catbib, sure he didnt complete it all but he got the essence in fagot

Any tips on getting started with digital painting? I'm actually a competent artist as far as lineart goes, but I've ignored coloring for no good reason. I think I could adapt quickly as I have a decent sense of form, but my big problem is technique. Are there any decent tutorials or guides that could give me a jumpstart?

>>2119514


Work in gray scale first, you need to know your values before your hues. Working on lighting, directional light and reflective especially, will get you over mountains that many fail to climb. Post your linework, you might not be as good as you think you are, but that's fine. It wouldn't be the first time I was wrong, though.

more ref

>>2119952
Lower body seems off balance

>>2114585

What are these "steps" you speak of

>>2120887
>catbib steps

Scratch my previous post, CTRL+F was my friend.

>>2120887
>>2116162
>>2116196
>>2112848

>>2112114
makes it look like a filter and not a real painting

>>2118322
And her right arm is much larger than the left

Here's my attempt, work in progress

>>2107753
maybe next time dont do a model that looks like a fucking sloth

>>2117944

gotta work on proportions and brush economy more

>>2115121
i cut this one off after a little while because i had to sleep but this is what i got

>>2121504
Scale down to something more viewable next time (for example 656px × 985px would've been sufficient)

Is this an appropriate method to start out with?

>>2114587
I've never drawn nudes and I suck.

>>2116885
heres this finished.

heres my attempt

fuck, upload, dammit!

>>2122867
That's neat

what the fk r brushes

This thread still valid?

>>2110830
>newsprint

Damn son, I would have ripped the paper with my heavy hand. I always have to start at 2h. Then go dark. So I need tough paper.

>>2110538
nice pig

Is this a decent enough start? Anything I need to fix before going into it?

>>2127797

>>2127798
Proportions seem fine overall, go with it and resize your image to 30% next time

>>2127813
Appreciate it. I'm not exactly sure how I'd resize it though, I'm on mobile and have no access to a computer.

>>2127862
use an app you dingaling

Where should I start improving? Did I get the perspective a little?

>>2130398

Why does she have coal dust her arm

>>2111645

advice? draw the image lol

>>2111950

She looks really slippery

>>2130398
you used a flat color for the budy and then used black for shading
what you are supposed to do is using different shades of the same color

go read up stuff on values and do some value studies

>>2130468
yeah it was a last minute thing because I don't like when everything is just white. Here's without color.

Is the general shape/perspective decent? I know I fuck up her face but the body looks alright to me.

>>2130477
m8 your anatomy in not exactly on the level to be speaking of perspective
the neck is Douk Nookem tier, the ass is all over the place
its anatomy and values for you, son

>>2130468

he should vary the hue too tho

any website where I can find nice refs like that?

>>2107753
Vine Charcoal, some soft pastels for highlights and I used yellow ocher, pink. red with a napkin to smudge instead of a tortellion

>>2131184
observe objects, train your eye on simple forms in light before you go after the gold here. Go black and white until you can get a sense of light and expand into color from there.

>>2130635

/thread

>>2131184
You can see the stages I went through in this drawing. First a few quick lines to get the posture and then I built the frame and set the tilt of the head, chest and waist. The 1st one on the upper left. Then I start with the face and outline the hair, and try to establish the form. I left my skeleton in for the first several drawings until I felt confident I could erase all my reference lines. In the bottom row I started with the color and vine charcoal. I used a napkin to smudge and it softens as well. I added yellow ochre, pink and blended those areas. Finally I added my lines to add emphasis to the form. Some things I didn't do but I could have was to use my eraser to add highlights, and it would help to add the reflective light on the left inner arm.

Good exercise, fun!

>>2131208
Anon, I...

>>2131208

Forget the colors. At your level just draw with a pencil and keep things simple.

>>2130477

>Here's without color
>Everything is blue

>>2131252

I think I shrank the head.

I've been getting super frustrated the last few days with my art, so I've been pushing through it doing timed poses, studies etc.

>>2131253
Also it's vine charcoal, with just a bit of compressed charcoal on super cheap manilla paper.

>>2131252
It's like you spent some time learning the basics of how to separate your lights and darks and throw in a core shadow to turn the form...but you never spent the time to learn actual structure. I think you should stop with the charcoal and smudging and whatnot for now, and go back to basic shape observation, and then move onto construction and anatomy and interlocking forms. Do your Vilppu and Bridgman studies anon, it will make your art 100x stronger.

>>2131255
>It's like you spent some time learning the basics of how to separate your lights and darks and throw in a core shadow to turn the form...but you never spent the time to learn actual structure.

Lol, I've gotten the exact opposite C&C on this board from a similar drawing. I was told that I was spending too much time worrying about anatomy and construction and not enough time drawing what is in front of me.

>>2131258
summarized: Keep drawing

>>2131258
Well the part about looking at what's in front of you is the same. I did mention you should start with shape observation, because your 2d observation of what you are looking at is pretty off. Only then should you go on to construction and anatomy.

>>2131252
Initial lay in using a stump smothered in charcoal powder.

A nicer but much less forgiving paper than the newsprint quality I used before.

>>2131294
WIP where I stopped.

Photo quality is bad because it's cell phone. I'll have to find a digital camera around the house tomorrow.

>>2131295
10 minute pose last night that I was frustrated with and caused me to come to this thread.

first time doing a study via digital. Not sure if I'd say it's finished, I got bored and stopped.

>>2131208
LOL WAT

>>2131208
is her left hand a foot?

>>2117171
>>2112993
>>2112828
>>2112699
>>2112397
>>2111950

Fookin' hell, mates. How do you guys manage stuff this good? It looks so attainable too until I actually try to do it myself.


Anyway, here's mine. I think I lost her likeness a bit unfortunately. Only used a hard brush, thinking of going back and softening some parts .

Head sized down because I realized it was way too big.

ugh, I need more studies

still trying to get a better read on eyes, lips and noses

>>2116781
Yo but forreal please find whoever made this.

Exactly