/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2108964
he's so moe

Interesting, will watch video later, thanks for the post op.

that interviewer sounds like a fucking retard.

>>2108964
I hate Bobby Chiu, I cant tell why

>>2108964
>his magestic sneakers with white socks
>that pose
>that expression
>10/10 will loomis

>>2109356
>back in a specialized art studio I used a digital pen
>b-but wapcom didn't come out with one yet, how could anyone possible have a pen?!
I think I know why.

>>2108964
>draws nothing but fantasy/video game illustrations
>doesn't dress like a fantasy or video game character irl.

>>2109385
>draws nothing but loli
>doesn't fuck loli irl
Well, fuck my shit up

>>2109386
>draws nothing but loli
>actually a loli irl

>>2109389
Underage and b&

MODS!

>>2109390
silly anon, loli is a body type not a age group!

>>2109385

well you know what they say.. don't judge the person by the look.
And he looks very, very serious person. If i would just watch this interview and wouldn't know his work, i wouldn't believe he made any of that 1500 painting i saw from him.
I've seen TONS of interviews and i must say this guy is by far one of the most skilled and also the most boring.
He shows ZERO of life in this interview. No enjoyment, no passion, speaks just like he came from funreal.

AGAIN, his work is obviously amazing. I respect him and his dedication more than any artist.

But his personality is the reason why he is mostly lonely wolf, almost like avoding people irl comparing to all other popular nowdays illustrators, matte painters,..

>>2109392
You're confusing delicious flat chest and petite Women with a genre that specifically describes an age group.

MODS!

>>2109393
>But his personality is the reason why he is mostly lonely wolf, almost like avoding people irl comparing to all other popular nowdays illustrators, matte painters,..

There are lots of successful professional artists who are rather withdrawn. Iain McCaig's last online presence was a blog post from 2010. Whit Brachna completely disappeared from the Internet. Jaime Jones never shows himself outside of maybe doing a workshop demo every 5 years, Bumskee only posts new art on that obscure chinese blog website and has never even been seen IRL by another artist....

Mullins is actually quite progressive for an old man, having a facebook and a working homepage with recent work.

>>2109364
ErMahGerd Illumernati!!!!

>>2109356

It's his mouth. He has an overbite and it makes him look so punch-able.

>>2109400
I thought Min Yum taught in Australia for a while? Didn't he have a full class of people he was with? I don't believe your comment that he's never been seen by another artist. Also he and his blog are korean, not chinese.

>>2109400
>Iain McCaig
He's a very social artist, always has been. Just because he doesn't get the internet thing doesn't mean he doesn't surround himself with peers.

Also, lots of people have seen min. He was part of a local drawing group for a while.

>>2109400
>yfw min has a twitter now :)

https://twitter.com/min_yum

>>2109356
Haha I watched this the other day and thought the same exact thing. I think he just looks irritating, (could be the overbite), and he generally just comes off as being naive because of the the way he talks, asks stupid questions and doesn't seem to really be paying attention to Mullins.

He painted with mouse 10 years
oh my fucking god

>>2110961
Hm, he seemed pretty nice when I met him that weekend. His questions during the demo with Mullins and others were like 50% dumb questions that were meant to get a specific answer out of the speaker (like getting them to stress some obvious point like the fundamentals). So like, these were meant to help the beginners in the audience I guess. The questions had pretty obvious answers, but he wanted the words to come out of the the speaker's mouth instead of his, to back up his own points and school. The other 50% of questions were just like him asking about things he wanted to know personally.

Worth noting too that the entire weekend he was kinda high on endorphins I think cause his kickstarter got funded and a lot of the stuff he had been working towards was finally coming together. He was super happy. Like he got pretty smashed at the afterparty and was having a blast and stumbling around in a great mood. He was pretty nice, like you could just walk up to him and he'd be happy to have a conversation with you and help you out or whatever. Was pretty down to earth it seemed.

Anyways, I've met a few people who don't like him, but they never really have any good reason for disliking the guy. All my experiences with him in person and the stuff I've seen him do online and whatnot all point to him being a pretty good dude.

The way he dressed for this interview (and he knew a lot of people will watch it), the way he act and answer can tell you that this guy literally lives in his own world and he don't give much fuck what is going on around him.
If i would meet him in person i wouldn't even know how to talk with him since he seems to be (at least he acts like that) very anti-social.

I admire his skills and work, but i would gain more information and motivation from people like Rapoza or any guy he interview, any guy from level up,..

People will respect you for your skills, but with that kind of boring attitude without any interest in communication, showing emotions, all they will love is your work. But one should be liked ad a person too. As someone who is willing to pass that skills. To advice. To motivate. To inspire.

>>2111211
I completely disagree. Your art and your personality are somewhat separate things and your personality should be irrelevant in most cases. Do you hate Caravaggio because he was a murderous asshole?

Mullins IS an antisocial guy. He shouldn't have to reinvent his persona in public just so you feel like listening to him. You're also forgetting that he's much older than guys like Rapoza, so it's understandable he's more calm and collected. His skill level and art in general is founded largely on that slow methodical, calculating and logical approach of his, and that comes across in his personality too. I don't see why you are complaining. Have you read through the Sijun pdf? Seen his Gnomon masterclass? The guy can teach. Between the clarity of his words and the level of his art, I think he is pretty ideal actually as a role model, and is very inspiring. He gives off the vibe that anyone with enough thought and effort and time can reach mastery.

>>2111206

>Anyways, I've met a few people who don't like him, but they never really have any good reason for disliking the guy. All my experiences with him in person and the stuff I've seen him do online and whatnot all point to him being a pretty good dude

you don't need a good reason to dislike someone. You don't need any kind of logical reason to dislike someone. It's natural.
It doesn't mean that you hate him, but you simply don't find him comfortable to talk to.
And it's mostly because of the way that person talk, act or think.

>>2109400
i met up with Min Yum IRL in Korea :)

Cool guy.

>>2111219
can you tell us about how that came to be? whatd you do and talk about and stuff like that?

>>2111211
>any guy from level up
>>2111216
cmon anon, that was baiting 101

>>2111216

hoooooooold on

i DO NOT hate Craig Mullins, neather Caravaggio.
I'm talking about the visual energy he put into something.
If you compare him to (for EXAMPLE) Dave Rapoza, he looks like he will die on that char.

That, obviously have nothing to do with his skills, but personality. That's why i'm just saying that he is skilled as fuck but also boring as fuck.
100 times less skilled guy (like Tehmeh) can motivate me 100 times more than Mullins.

>>2111220
hmm - i was in south korea in seoul, i wrote the guy, came to his school/studio? showed him some stuff i was working on for getting into Art Center- horrible horrible stuff, anyway it was super humbling, we just spoke about what he was doing for the time being - focusing more on personal stuff. And about his school a bit, some of the faculty there, he showed me some of their stuff. A student was sitting next to us doing this super rendered out knight character design - and i was like, woah thats starting to look pretty tight, and he just shrugged and said "oh well, she has another 50 hours to go for that piece" - which led into the theme of asia focusing more on finished things - and the west more into conceptual thinking / ideas / coming up with stuff, but not necessarily taking it to the same degree of finish (kinda?? if that makes any sense...)
I cant recall specifically what we spoke about other than that but he was a genuinely chilled out cool guy :)

>>2111257
thank you!

>his last comment at the end

>he literally dissed kr0n and sakimi

>>2112450

He don't even knows who the fuck are sakimi and kron.

>>2111216

Not the guy you were responding to, but I have read his entire pdf and watched the entirety of his gnomon video.

And I kinda disagree with you that he can teach. I feel there are different things that make a great teacher that are not necessarily in line with being great at whats being taught. i feel that Mullins is actually great, and is a bastion of knowledge that any artist could benefit from with talking with him. But I wouldn't say he's a great teacher, just a great artist.

>>2112478

But i'm sure he's aware that for decades there has been cheap over rendered art

>>2112450
Uh what? He's saying the exact opposite. He's saying you shouldn't obsess over the fundamentals too much, but rather see them as tools. He then goes on and says that some of his favorite artists aren't technically that great. If anything, he is dissing the /ic/ mindset where you absolutely have to master the fundamentals and any tiny mistake makes your art shit.

>>2112494
That is absolutely true for art, but not really for illustration. You do need to have a good solid understanding of the basics to deliver just what the art director is asking to you.

>>2112494


Err no he talks about how you should think like a matte painter instead of spending too much time perfecting a software only to paint boring overrendered headshots, which is all kron and sakimi ever do

>>2112589
Err no, he doesn't say that at all. He is talking about people obsessing over fundamentals, mentions that matte painters learn the fundamentals for the sake of getting better at expressing what they want to express and then he sarcastically says "look what I can do, I can paint a head and paint it perfectly!" He isn't saying anything negative about people who like painting portraits. He just used it as an example of someone who obsesses over fundamentals without having anything to say and express. That is most of /ic/ in a nutshell.

Neither Sakimichan nor Kron have ever painted a perfect head and neither of them are even trying to. That's part of why /ic/ hates them so much, the fact that they AREN'T obsessing over anatomy and rendering the way /ic/ does. They ARE painting what they like to express, you just don't like what that is. Mullins isn't talking about them, he's talking about you, anon. Senpai noticed you and he does not like you.

>>2113075
>Neither Sakimichan nor Kron have ever painted a perfect head and neither of them are even trying to. That's part of why /ic/ hates them so much, the fact that they AREN'T obsessing over anatomy and rendering the way /ic/ does. They ARE painting what they like to express

i doubt saki has ever opened up any art book in her lifetime but kron went to some art school at least, he's just an otaku. so i'm not entirely sure what you're talking about. his older work is up on da if you want to see how terrible it is. it's all anime stuff though.

>>2111196
Yeah, kinda crazy to imagine that, but it actually isn't that mind-blowing to me when I think about it. I mean, most of the painting comes from the knowledge, not the tools. Plus all you really lose out on with a mouse is pressure sensitivity, which you don't explicitly need if you know how to pick the right colors to blend with anyway.

>>2111211
What does any of that have to do with the things he was actually saying? He gave a lot of good information. Who cares how he fucking dressed?

>>2113075
>That's part of why /ic/ hates them so much, the fact that they AREN'T obsessing over anatomy and rendering the way /ic/ does

What the fuck is wrong with people like you? How about you try addressing the actual arguments that people make, instead of creating these insane ad hominem arguments with no basis in reality?
It's like claiming the theory or relativity is wrong, because Einstein was a Jew. You're not addressing the fucking argument.

>>2113075
>That's part of why /ic/ hates them so much, the fact that they AREN'T obsessing over anatomy and rendering the way /ic/ does. They ARE painting what they like to express, you just don't like what that is.
Can't speak for the rest of /ic/, but personally I find that this whole modern cesspool idea of "expressing yourself" and "feelings" and "emotions" just 'cause is the worst thing to happen to art. Any liberal little cunt thinks he/she is an "artist" because they "express themselves" in some way, and then they tack on some bullshit meaning and a description to their "work of art". Without any sort of skill behind it it's toddler trash. It's mindless fluff.
>He is talking about people obsessing over fundamentals,
>He just used it as an example of someone who obsesses over fundamentals without having anything to say and express
>Neither Sakimichan nor Kron have ever painted a perfect head and neither of them are even trying to.
Apparently you hold the belief that if someone invests the time and dedication needed enough to learn fundamentals they have nothing to say and express. Have you suffered a head injury lately?

I don't even know who this Sakimichan or Kron shits are, but pic related is enough to tell me that I have zero interest in finding out.

>>2114159
That wasn't an ad hominem.

Another thread descends into a saki-fest shit show.

What surprise.

>>2114203
Yes it was. You're attacking the people, rather than the argument, and your reasoning isn't even correct.
I believe most people dislike those artists because they're one dimensional, have very superficial styles and don't really deserve the attention they get. They're part of a culture that celebrates mediocrity.

At first I thought kron was relatively skilled, but then I realized that I probably haven't seen a single picture he's made that isn't simply a copy of an existing picture. It's impossible to tell if he can do something other than rendering and changing other pictures into his own style.

Sakimi I just don't like. The mistakes are blatant enough to be noticable, and I find her style to be very unappealing and generic.

They're like the boybands of the art community.

>>2114152
as someone who has to paint with a mouse quite often, its not as HUGE deal, but it gets annoying when going from area to area because of the lack of pressure sizes. For example doing shading on the face you go from relatively big areas like the cheek to areas between hair and near eyes. so when doing this you either have to put it off or manually change the brush sizes (or you could do it all with a really small brush but that's a pain in the ass).
Basically mouse just takes a shitton longer.
>>2114191
>expressing yourself feelings etc
honestly that's what separates are and illustration to me. 'art' is done to express a meaning, you don't have to be technically skilled, its just a way of getting your point across. In places where certain subject matters will get you killed, people who paint that are trying to fight back in a certain way. While the pretentious hipsters have ruined it in a way by having a bunch of men shove fingers in each other's assholes, the core of it is still the same. There's nothing wrong with wanting to tell a story through art.

>>2114252
>There's nothing wrong with wanting to tell a story through art.

Problems is that we're probably the second or third generation that's been told that we're all previous snowflakes with important stories to tell.
Most of us aren't.

I saw an interesting "reality show" on BBC a year ago. They selected a group of people and gave them a few months to learn a craft. Almost universally, the teachers told them to stop thinking of this shit as art or as self-expression, and thinking of it as a craft that's learned through hard work and endless repetition. Individual expression is something that comes when you've started to master the craft.
This was something that was far more ingrained in the female contestants, who insisted on making "art". It really showed the huge difference in the old school mentality compared to the bullshit we've lived with since the 60s (and before that in the art community)

The show was called Mastercrafts, and was quite interesting for a reality show, if you can call it that.

>>2114259
I mean I agree with you in that people are retarded nowdays. I just wanted to point out they aren't essentially wrong, they just have their priorities backwards.
If you want to sell things you have to be technically skilled (and know who to suck off), self expression can be added regardless of skill level though. Its just that at low level work doesn't really matter what they try to 'express'.
The special snowflake generation truly is the worst though.

>>2114266
>self expression can be added regardless of skill level though.

This is where I disagree (with some exception). I believe that mastering the craft is what allows a person to express themselves. If you learn the technical aspects of anatomy, gestures and all of that shit, you're able to express personality and emotion in your art, far better than someone who is less skilled.

>>2114270
Well its not that its not better to be skilled if you want people to care, but being able to express yourself is still there.
Its like freedom of speech in a sense like mullins talked about.
Because we're in a free society it doesn't mean shit when people say/express something because there's no consequences. But if you lived in north korea and drew kim getting stomped on by an elephant you'd be killed so it has more meaning there despite you not being able to draw an elephant.
Also much like speech, being a well educated individual can make your words eloquent and beautiful but the underlying meaning is the same if it came from a high school drop out. It just won't be listened to as well because it doesn't sound as pretty, but being able to express themselves is still important and meaningful.

>>2114277
Well technically that is true, but then you're making more of a political statement than expressing yourself through art.
I was primarily talking about being able to express emotion or atmosphere through art, where the art stands on its own feet, rather than being a pure interpretation of the political circumstances of its time.

>>2110175
you mean underbite, which yes does make him look so punch-able