/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2110327
Working from life gives the added benefit/challenge of concentrating on form. I find its quite a bit easier to follow the shapes of the figure when I attend a live drawing session as opposed to working from just a photo.

Though if you lack a model, photos are perfectly fine. But life drawing really does help you understand the form when referring to the photo.

Woah, a drawing that just looks like a photograph. How exciting.

I prefer drawing from imagination using understanding from life.

>>2110335
>implying you can't change lighting or forms when drawing from a photo

It's better to draw from life when you can. I would not recommend drawing from pictures to a beginner. Its a great way to develop bad habits and crutches.

>>2110327
there's basically no difference between drawing from life or from photos: you learn the same stuff, and you get almost the same limitations.

that said, strictly referenced illustration is the most meaningless, boring thing there are.

>>2110383
>there's basically no difference between drawing from life or from photos: you learn the same stuff, and you get almost the same limitations.

no not give advice

>>2110371
> Its a great way to develop bad habits and crutches
Such as?

>>2110428
photocopying instead of understanding

nowadays photographs are way better than the best human eye. what gives away that a photo was used as a reference is that the colors more realistic, the details are finer, and the poses much better than what you could possibly get from life

>>2110444
nonsense. think before posting

>>2110444
Kek what? The same thing can be said for drawing from life. If you're mindlessly copying something from life, then its the same thing as mindlessly copying something from a photo. You have to be critically analyzing both of them to learn anything.

>>2110450
you are sooo dumb if you really think that

>>2110450
>implying you can position yourself around a photograph to get a better angle
>implying you can vary your field of depth with a photograph
>implying jpeg compression on 1000> pixel width photos isn't still the norm nowadays
but hey if you have some magical shangrila resource of HD photos in multiple angles and multiple lighting angles, please do share

>>2110450
>nowdays photographs are better than the best human eye
first off you're absolutely fucking retarded.
it doesn't matter how good the camera is or what spectrum of colors it can take in, the human eye still sees the same as it would in reality. no amount of printed colors or digital lighting will change what the eye perceives. being better than the eye means absolutely nothing.
I mean you're wrong to start with, but your reasoning behind it was even worse than the fact you were wrong in the first place.

>>2110629
>magical resource of HD photos in multiple angles and multiple lighting angles
like a camera?
> the human eye still sees the same as it would in reality
i mean, is a fact that a decent camera is better than the best human eye in resolution and dynamic range. human eye isn't even the best camera in nature. why do you want to limit your art to the human eye restrictions?

>>2110711
see >>2110726

>>2110726
If the camera was better then the human eye. It would still not matter because we are humans. The most interesting paintings aren't the ones that are the more realistic but the ones that come closest to the human experience of life. Painting is about recreating real life in so far as we subjectively perceive it. If it was not the case we would all do the same picture and it probably would look as boring as a photo.

>>2110726
>why do you want to limit your art to the human eye restrictions?

Nigga do you realize you look at photos with your human eyes

>>2110336
This is cool to do, it's good to mix things up once in a while

>>2110733
The most interesting paintings aren't the ones that are the more realistic but the ones that come closest to the human experience of life.
Can lifelike portraits be interesting? Are there good examples of portraits that come close to the human experience of life?

>>2110726
>i mean, is a fact that a decent camera is better than the best human eye in resolution and dynamic range.
lies

>>2110327
>but I think there's something to be said for really understanding the structure of the face and body

What? If you're drawing from life or from a photo, how does that have anything to do with understanding structure? You're copying what you see, rather than constructing something by an innate understanding of form.

>>2111073
>You're copying what you see, rather than constructing something by an innate understanding of form.
You mean underneath the skin anatomical knowledge?

>>2111073
you should be building forms in your life drawings anyway. Analysing instead of copying etc.

>>2111083
Of course no, and that's one weird preconception: do you really expect alla prima painters doing some perspective and shapes underpainting before commiting a portrait or something?

Copying either a photo or the picture in your retina, as stated by OP, is more of an exercise on drawing craftmanship, how to apply paint to your canvas, and being selective in what to put in it.

It's quite difficult to be honest. But in reality in order to be good, you need to be good at copying first.

>>2111144
i agree with >>2111083
I enjoy the experience of achieving likeness, cross checking what I see with what I know.
I plan to do more drawing from imagination though, and love the idea of being able to create believable made up images

>>2110444
I think that's a problem I have. How do I get rid of it ? Should I focus on deducing the overall 3D shape of the object before drawing it ? Or is it something completely different ?

I recently realized how bad I am without a model, photo or not, and am wondering if it's because of my lack of experience or because of a problem in my methods.

>>2110444
what's the difference?

Drawing from high res images is FINE to learn from, you don't need don't need a model.

The only problem with copying is that your final result can only be... what you copied, unless you improvised, even then still pretty dull.

The real magic happens when you understand light geometry well enough to picture something in your head then make it real, and it's still fine to reference for this just let it be how you envision.

>>2111182
good construction without reference takes pre-comp planning, if you can't remember how to construct something and your goal it so be able to draw from your mind, you should focus on studying it carefully until you have the basic forms and their places memorized, until the point where you could imagine seeing the object from any angle and understand how to translate it to shape

>>2111301
Understood, will give it a shot next time. Thanks anon