/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

another one from him (might be even colored version of first sketch, or he just had same-face problem)

>>2110317
Name an artist that didn't get good in 11 years...
Hard mode: people who aren't autistic

>>2110320
I am fairly certain that in 11 years, you won't be half as good as Min Yum is now.

omen and tehmeh progress makes me moist every time I see it :/ why cant I be that good? fuck that I will be that good. give me some more time.

>>2110365
>fuck that I will be that good. give me some more time.

Good mindset anon. Some people progress faster than others. They might have an easier time understanding and implementing certain fundamentals and they have racked up a lot of mileage in their work. Just keep grinding and studying and you will improve in time.

>>2110317
do these people go to art schools or do they just work on their own?

>>2110373
Bumskee is self-taught. so are plenty others like Rapoza, Djurdjevic, Brad Rigney, Zedig, Janaschi etc.

I was friends with Knockwurst on Deviant Art back when we were both doing shitty high school-level drawings.

He kept drawing...

and I didnt. =(

>>2110377
Self teaching seems better than going to school for some reason.

>>2110384
because you only see the people who succeeded.
it takes a lot of determination and time to get good like that .. and when you have it, it makes everything even better when you succeed.

>>2110320
Chris Chan

>>2110386
yeah but imagine going to art school and not getting to their level? Seems like a bigger drop. Competing with others on your level is hard enough to boot.

>>2110364
Man loves his gunner girls.

>>2110384
I think self-teaching works with creative things because the learning process is a very personal thing. It's not like bodybuilding, where you can follow a weekly schedule for a certain period of time and get the results you want. Sure, milage matters to some degree, but much more importantly you need to make observations about the world and form abstract conclusions from them. Every piece of information you gain this way becomes a key that you can apply to anything you do from that time onward. That process is not something that can be replaced by a teacher, but a lot of people who go to school seem to think it does, and they never develope a real drive to figure things out for themselves, which is why they stagnate.

>>2110395

>>drive to figure things out for themselves

this. This is NUMBER 1 thing you need to become good as Mullins, Jaime, Kekai or anyone who succeed.

You can have 1000 books in .pdf (like a lot of you guys collect), 1000 video tutorials and 16h a day for drawing.
IF you don't have that drive to explore and figure it out on your own, all those books, tutorials and 16h of drawing per day won't get you far.
YOU WILL QUIT.

>implying Kim Jung Gi was bad at any point in his life

That man must've been born with a pencil in his hand he's so damn good.

>>2110424

>implying Kim Jung Gi was bad at any point in his life
Yes, yes he was. Just like Da Vinci.

>>2110422
mmmm
I disagree.. but what do I know?

Drive is definitely Number 1 but disregarding things like tutorials/books you're only shitting on your own dick.

I have like 3 books I reread once in a while.

Scott Robertson (Draw/render)

Loomis Creative Illustration.

Gurney's colour and light.

Every tiem I look through it. I learn something.
I watch the tutorial videos for entertainment.. like FZD.. or scott's or Level up.. they're good to do every cycle.. and get me ready to do more.

>>2110431

I wasn't clear:
Books and tutorials ARE important and usefull IF you have drive to figure things out on your own. You read something about something and then you go figure it out on you own, not just marely copying it from book or trying to memorize plates.
books and tutorials are just GUIDES which help you figure it out on your own.

>>2110430
Kimmy's so damn based. I read the interviews on his site and he seems so sugoi. Even if he does answer with "I've drawn since I was a kid."

>>2110388
It's not about how you learn, but the desire to learn.

If you really love something, you'll do your best to get good at it any way you can. They likely followed their desire and got good before they were even old enough to pay for art school, so they didn't need to anymore.

Most people who go to art school are in the "I half-assed my way through school up to this point, I'll keep half-assing through these classes, and then get a job where I'll half-ass and have a half-assed living" mindset. Unfortunately, art doesn't work that way.

>>2110452
>unfortunately

No fortunately. Thank goodness art isn't easy, I love the grind.

>>2110320
If you spend those 11 years drawing one hour every nine months, you'll become an old failure like me.

>>2110379
I know this feel good and well.

>>2110483
You can turn it around man. I have improved so much after only 6-8 months of hard work. I went almost nowhere in 10 years, and now I am drawing/painting stuff I actually like.

Even anons on this board have told me that they like my stuff. Can you believe that shit?

>>2110517
Are you that dude with the really colorful paintings who neglected fundamentals for 10 years?

>>2110527
I match that description, but it's probably not me because I just started posting here this week.

This is a painting I did last October, and here is one I did last night >>2110156

>>2110535
Well the improvement is evident. thanks for the encouragement though, I know that making progress is possible, in fact I'm starting my first babby 101 painting course for the elderly tomorrow, even if my subscription to the depression wagon keeps telling me that I'll never be able to accomplish something that isn't drinking until I pass out or watching people with happy families with tears in my eyes.

>>2110437

I like to think about it as there being two distinct categories, knowledge aspects and skill aspects, and creative art is mostly skill. You can know everything there is to know about human anatomy or Italian Renaissance paintings but if you can't put the pen to the page it's fucking useless in that respect.

What fucks a lot of people up is that school up until college (and through college for most degrees, yes even some STEM degrees) is about picking up knowledge. So now you get fags who are more worried about knowledge and hoping the skill comes along when they should focus on the skill and picking up knowledge as a way to refine skill.

>>2110535
Oic, well apparently there are alot of artists living in the bible belt who have spent years getting no where because of community centre art study.

>>2110542
After about 3 months or so of drawing every single day and really focusing on improvement, I drew something I actually liked. It blew my mind, because up until that day, I NEVER liked my artwork that much. Even worse, I thought thats how it always was for everyone.

I was depressed for a number of reasons during that time, but after realizing that I could draw things that didn't completely suck it gave me a foothold to pick myself up and overcome it. Nothing gives you ass-kicking confidence like kicking down the walls of your creative limits. You guys can do it too, I promise. Just keep going!

Also, this was my "turning point" drawing.

>>2110387
>chris chan
>not autistic

>>2110552

Exactly. That is also problem in a lot of people (in every creative field).
People don't realize that you learn to draw by trial aand error, not by gaining all the information from books first and then putting down the pencil in hope they will draw a figure perfectly the first time because the theory is in their heads.
All the point is in FAILING to draw a figure and then figuring out why you have failed (if you don't do the second part, figuring out why you failed, you will obviously stay in the loop, making the same mistakes over and over again).
I've seen a lot of people been told to ANALYZE their work, yet they ignore that suggestion and instead of drawing few hands and then analyzing them, they reather draw 10000 hands with same "errors".