/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Let's DRAW!

Okay for your first assignment I want you guys to recreate this landscape as best you can.

You can look at it for 1 whole minute. Then get to drawing. :^)

>>2103526
Are you trying to say the OP exercise is too hard?

>>2103495
Did my best with the past thread's exercise before I got bored.

>>2103562
Those lines look shift-ed dots mane, everyone can do shiftclick mane

I did drawabox already

>>2103589
>he does perspective without a ruler
Maybe that's why you're shit.

>>2103638
>implying accuracy of eye measurements and correct long straight hand-written lines are not important
What will you do on pleinair, bring a t-square?

>tfw being a shitty beginner

>>2103495
duplicate a fucking thumbnail?

>>2103526
I wouldn't even draw that irl. too much detail. that's like a job for vue.

Is my 3-point perspective any good?

>>2103655
same anon. do you ever wonder "when is enough enough? should i just give up?" i'm so discouraged

Was trying to post this in the last thread but didn't finish in time. The bridge was fun to make(after that I was lost) and I was able to figure out vanishing trace so I'm happy with that. Only thing I hate is my inability to draw details. Seriously, how do you draw little rocks and small trees and not make it look shitty and distracting? Also my pencils are shitty so the hatching is amateur. Critiques and advice more than welcome.

i feel like i´m gonna get stuck with 2D portraits and literally improving only in showing more glow on the flat surfaces, is all of my shit beyond redemption? aand yes that´s mlp coz i sold out

>>2103741
post your fundamentals

>>2103755
i dont think ive used fundamentals like ever anywhere or even know what those are, sorry

~

>>2103809
read the sticky please

>>2103689
Feedback on this would be much appreciated.

>>2103817
referenced?

>>2103834
yes

Because of drawing, Ive stopped working out as much, practicing japanese, and watching anime. Goddammit.

>>2103862
>practicing japanese, and watching anime
Good. Cut that weeb shit out.

>Ive stopped working out as much
Find the time, you lazy fatass.

>>2103862
>Because of drawing, Ive stopped,
>working out as much
Not a huge deal unless you require heavy lifting for a job or something. Just do some cardio everyday and you'll be fine.
>practicing japanese
Good, what a waste of time.
>watching anime
You could consider that a win. You just replaced a passive form of entertainment with a non-passive one that will allow you to better yourself instead of becoming a rotten couch potato.

>>2103638
>doing perspective with a ruler
stay pleb

>>2103689
Remember to resize your images

>>2103873
>using a ruler is bad
stay stupid

>>2103866
>>2103872
>not learning japanese
stay baka

>>2103889
The only places that speak japanese is japan.

There is literally no point in studying a useless language unless you plan to live there for the rest of your life. And no, wanting to read original, non-translated light novels isn't a good reason, you fucking otaku.

>>2103894
Learning a language, any language (especially one like Chinese) helps keep your brain sharp, which helps learning art better. Of course you wouldn't understand that, your* a retard.

>>2103896
Learning literally anything will keep your brain sharp. Learning something like art is actually useful though, so stop trolling and get your ass to work imo.

>>2103896
chinese is a really fun language and i'd recommend anyone to learn it!

>>2103901
>Learning something like art is actually useful though
>Implying learning a second language isn't useful

>>2103914

But why learn other shit when I can learn art? Spending time on anything other than art is literally a waste of a serious aspiring artist's time.

>>2103690
It's all about mileage, don't give up!

>>2103916
No, just be smart when you choose which language to learn. Japanese is not smart, and is only valued by total weeaboos.

>>2103881
Thanks so much!

I'll remember to resize next time. Probably. Hopefully.

i was bashing loomis yesterday but i really am having fun with a pencil trying to construct all his little characters

thank you loomis ':3c

>>2103701
Requesting crits from kind anons

>>2103495
i still feeling i'm not gripping something with learning to draw. maybe its because i haven't practiced enough, but i guess i have to unlearn what I "learned" from 5 years of drawing what i wanted.

like when I draw the torso, i know the stuff that looks wrong with it, but I don't have any idea how to fix it and make it right.

>>2103980
Don't study bad anatomy. Use reference from real life to avoid using bad anatomy as study material.

>>2103980
Limbs are not tubes, dont treat them as such

>>2104014
>Faggots don't know shit about Hampton
Get gud queer

>>2104018
>That fucking dynamic of a pose
>I have trouble drawing people sitting with one leg bent

Fuck

>>2104018
>thinking Hampton uses "tubes"
You're both shit.

>>2103495
Is that Bucharest?

>>2104049
Yep. Centrul Vechi, I believe.

>>2104046
>Cylinders aren't tubes
You can't be this fucking retarded?

>>2104053
You misunderstand. Hampton uses more than "tubes". He uses cylinders that he has a mind-boggling amount of practice with in perspective.
Simply drawing tubes and thinking "man, I'm good" is not enough to draw the Hampton way.
And they're not even cylinders. He cuts away at them and adds all the time. Look at the calf in that picture, and how he modified it to serve his purpose as a volume.

>>2104054
>Hampton uses more than "tubes". He uses cylinders that he has a mind-boggling amount of practice with in perspective.

So he uses good tubes? K.

Tubes=Cylinders
Using modified tubes/cylinders is still using tubes and cylinders technically.

Stop being a fucking autist.

>>2104058
>literally autism
Stop posting.

>>2104060

No.

>>2104054
>Hampton uses more than "tubes"
He uses boxes, eggs, and cylinders for the tubes. Don't pretend like you've actually read his book or watched any of his lectures.

>Simply drawing tubes and thinking "man, I'm good" is not enough to draw the Hampton way.
Don't know what the hell you're talking about. The simple volumes are there to help you out with perspective and placement of the muscles. Its not to show others "man, I can use volumes".

>And they're not even cylinders
Read his book retard.

>Look at the calf in that picture, and how he modified it to serve his purpose as a volume.
No shit. The simple volumes are meant as placeholders for the limbs.

Back to the original post from the autist
>Limbs are not tubes, don't treat them as such
Come on now. Stop trying to lecture anyone on anatomy or tools for figure drawing when you don't know them yourself. Pick up a book and learn a bit.

>>2104046
>>2104060
>>2104054

>nit picking between tubes and cylinders
>calling someone else an autist

lol

>>2104058
>>2104064
>>2104066
>Hampton autists
The new Loomis.

>>2104070
>Oh no I'm getting btfo by people who actually read the books
>Better call them autists!

Stay trash lmao

>>2103495
>beginner thread is full of autists flinging shit at each other for an off-hand comment about cylinders

OP, please remake the thread.

>>2104079
Every thread is like that at some point or another.

>>2104064
>Don't pretend like you've actually read his book or watched any of his lectures.
I'm unrelated to this discussion, but are there any other lectures from him than the two CGMA videos on youtube and the CGMA workshop in that CGMA torrent?

>>2104082
He did an animal lecture at some point but I don't know where that one is.

I can draw cubes from various angles in 3D space pretty well.

Now I need to figure out what the fuck to do next. I tried "Fun with a Pencil" but I don't really feel like it helped much...

>>2104089
now try to apply that knowledge to whatever you want to draw

>>2104018
Legs attach lower

>>2104127
>criticizing Hampton himself

>>2104089
>what the fuck to do next
this

>>2104145
motherfucking form intersections, I swear to god, they are my triumph and my tragedy.

>>2104155
They're the most beautiful thing.

Rate muh NationStates cuntry flag.

This is looking really flat, and not in a good way
I think im getting anatomy, but perspective is way off

>>2104213
wtf is that? You THINK you're getting anatomy? Far from it.

>>2104214
Whats the primary offender?

>>2104234
The perspective of the stick figure not matching the outline. Everything is flat. Lots of things is wrong with it, pick up a book...any book from the sticky that would teach you form.

>>2104240
I decided the original robobean I did was to long and decided to long and where the shoulder circle things are is where I thought it should end
I thought its length was still a bit to long even after that
But couldnt get the turn right

>>2103495
>not linking back the old thread

>not putting the threadname in the subject nor starting the post with it

GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER OP
i cant search the catalog like this jerk

>>2104244
Draw the center line for the turn and also gesture instead of the stick ball jointed figure.

>>2104281
why is that bean leaking precum?

>>2104283
It wants to be fondled.

>>2104281
Oh fuck, looking at this makes me realize how retarded that leg was
But I cant quite see the structure on the hips

Fuck, why was the old thread bumped higher on the catalog
linking my problem from last thread in the hopes that someone can help
>>2104305

>>2104167
>>>/gd/

>>2103921
>It's all about mileage
true, but being efficient means you're gonna get those miles a lot faster.
That's what scares me. The idea that I'm just not even LEARNING correctly. There are those horrific "draw it again" images where people have actually REGRESSED over MANY years, then there's shit like this that's the complete opposite. It's so god damn frustrating when someone says "it's just mileage".
Then again that's no reason to stop, either. But damn.

>>2104255
Sorry man, I forgot. I was in a rush this morning.
Next time.

>>2103921
>>2104317

>>2104317
Same here... same here

>>2104317
>>2104319

>>2103822
>If you post an image here, and all people respond with is "LOOMIS LOOMIS LOOMIS", what do they mean?

It means your fundamentals are shit and need work, essentially your problem could be resolved by reading the sticky. This may seem obnoxious but you need to remember that /ic/ is not filled with old masters waiting to advise you in ever way possible but artists of varying talent who are also still learning taking time out of their day to help people out of a lower skill level. Try not to waste our time.

>>2104308
>Beginner here, been having an issue with digital art. When using tools for linework, I tend to have trouble making it blend with the rest of the piece. Like, for example, I try to do decent shading or details and I still have these big fat lines. However, I end up with really bad chicken scratching if I do smaller/more lines. It just results in everything looking like shit.
Pic related, a request I did for someone on /v/ a while ago that is hopefully evident of what I'm describing, since it's pretty simple. It's just got big fat lines and whenever I try to even it out with smaller details they look out of place.
It's becoming an issue with my better attempts too, and its bugging the shit out of me. With a pencil or brush you can adjust the thickness and weight with a mere change in pressure or angle, but not when using a stylus, at least not in a natural manner.
What do?
Sorry if I'm bad at describing my issue

What kind of tablet are you using?
I'd recommend using a brush or tool in your drawing program of choice that makes varying line thickness possible instead of the default one. That will probably depend a lot on your stylus and its tilt sensitivity though.

Are there any tips for drawing a character doing different things yet keeping the same likeness? I feel like its impossible to draw a face in different positions and still have it look like the same person

>>2104340
>What kind of tablet are you using?
I'm using a Bamboo CTL-460, it's pretty basic. Just tested the line variation settings in GIMP, it doesnt look like my tablet has tilt or pressure sensors.
Guess I'm just gonna need to get a new tablet or just go back to scanning hand drawings then tracing over them.
Oh well.
Do have any recommendations for good low budget tablets that have tilt and pressure capabilities?

>>2104354
>Wacom

>>2104064
Ok, this is just a magic world where you learn with forms. You can learn with Hampton geometrical forms, Huston tubes, Loomis stuff, Riven Phoenix lines. You are learning, and studying, you can also create your own way to construct the human figure, you can be your own autist loomis/hampton/Huston/Phoenix/______ with your own rules.

Study the fucking thing!

>>2104359
>mentioning riven pheonix
>ever

You sly mother fucker you. I actually giggled.

>>2104354
How low budget are we talking here?

Honestly you should keep using pen and paper until you can afford a higher end tablet or cintiq. Cheap and small tablets tend to be a waste of money that give you rsi.

Oh Christ my fucking anatomy and perspective

Fuck

At least the head looks sort of ok?

>>2104384
If you know it looks like shit, then fucking do something about it, you retarded attention whore

>>2104390
I'm trying to do something about it. It's why I'm drawing in the first place.

It's a beginner thread, so I figured I'd post progress.

>>2104384
you're trying to stylize before knowing how to draw

>>2104360
lol. I'm old school, lot's of tubes with Steve Huston and never forgot basic anatomy thanks to Phoenix.

I think everythig depends the way you study. Learn the basics (shapes, perspective, etc) is tedious but essential.

My teacher from school said to learn inside out anatomy and I tried Anatomy books and how to draw magazines, drew a lot of muscles and nothing was good. When I found Phoenix on YouTube (the SD original series - not there anymore) I learned a simplified way to build those muscles, that was magical, combined with anatomy books everything looked clear to me.

Of course, He will not fit for everybody. Will be the same with Hampton, Vilppu, Huston etc. People will complain about everything, without learn the basics and without try the best way to learn. you can develop your method, maybe you need a real life teacher. Who knows? You need to try things, mix stuff, read the books, build tratategies to teach your brain to learn to draw cuz it's not easy.

Is good to know that everything will be different with time, today you use gesture and draw shapes ("tubes", boxes, ovals), tomorrow you can draw simplified bones, and next year you can draw just lines/gesture and build your human figure with not more than simple lines. Because you know the form, the movment, you learned with the process.

>>2104412
It's more about try to learn. People give up fast.
Not all the beginners will be something. Some people just appears here and give up beacouse it's not that easy. "Betty Edwards with dumb science", "Keys to Draw is so hard". Why we don't have more exercises from these books?
The stick is fixed /ic/ 1st thread

so, my major is product design and what we've learned in sketching so far are much different than the sticky. Like, the perspective can be off as long as it explains the form, or scribbling is totally fine as long as it looks cool for us. should I continue to using what I know, or start from the scratch?

btw my first exercise.

>>2104522
I think youre a million miles away from product design. scribbling is not an excuse not to be good and understand everything.

id expect something like that from a child, so I suggest practice everything you can get your hands on.

What are good exercises to practice Values/Shading?

How do you even know if you've improved? My biggest art-related fear is spending all this time on Quickposes and reading perspective books and doing studies and shit and not actually improving because I might have learned the wrong way.

>>2104579
Make one completed piece of art each month using your newfound knowledge and compare on timeline.

Question, when I'm just starting out, do I want to strive for making my own poses in my original art, or should I just take poses from photos or something and tweak them until I have the knowledge to craft my own?

Can anyone offer any tips for drawing with a pretty shit imagination?

Also how do you get better from such a thing?

>>2104613
You draw other things to build up your "library" of which to collect things. Then one day you know how to draw a dog and a man in many angles and shapes and say "hey, what happens if I combine the two?"

The whole
>artists are naturals
Is bullshit that baddies tell themselves to trick themselves into being nothing but useless vermin.

>>2104630
so basically just draw what I see until I can eventually visualize it?

>>2104642
Yes, eventually you will have a library in your head .

>>2104643
thanks I'll give that a try

does anyone else get confused as all fuck when drawing the muscles of the forearm in supination vs pronation?
Any advice?

>can't tell whether the drawing is making this shit or the polishing
fuck

also
>tumblr nose
his official art has it so that's why

>>2104668
The "polishing" looks unfinished, but the main problem is with the drawing itself.

Try to spend more time in the sketch phase constructing the figure itself.

It's also a boring pose, but def not the worst i've seen on this thread

This might be a stupid question, but how do you guys push out the vanishing points far enough on a normal piece of paper? Tape sheets together? Make lines on the desk? Draw really small?

>>2104714
when do you ever really need to push them out that far? you can achieve any possible vanishing point perspectives without doing anything to your paper

>>2104725
>when do you ever really need to push them out that far?
lol what a fucking retard

>>2104714
look up brewer grid

>>2104725

Please tell me great one? Where are the vanishing points in this image.

>>2104728
Thanks for the tip.

>>2104728
looked it up, i'm an idiot how does this work

>>2104747
After watching the video, here's what I got from it:
>eyeball the initial perspective
>mark evenly-spaced increments on the vertical lines (halves, quarters, etc.)
>draw lines connecting the marks
And then you have a grid to work with. I wasn't terribly satisfied with the first step.

>>2104747
First, you need draw one random vertical line.
Then draw two lines(one at the bottom of the page, and one at the top of the page) that converge towards one vanishing point.

Next, draw one line that is supposed to converge to your other vanishing point.

Then, draw one horizontal line intersecting the two bottom lines that are supposed to converge towards the vanishing point.

Where the horizontal line intersect the two bottom lines, draw two vertical lines.
One of the vertical lines should intersect the top line that goes towards the vanishing point.

Where one of the newly drawn vertical line intersects, draw another horizontal line.
This horizontal line should intersect with the other vertical line.

Then, you can draw a line from where the middle vertical line intersects with the top vanishing line.
This line will converge with the second vanishing point.

And from >>2104764 I can see that you know what to do next

Complete beginner here. Been doing exercises from one of the books in the sticky for a few days. I got my friend to lend me his tablet that he never uses, because that's what I want to eventually use for drawing. All my lines always end up looking crooked as shit compared to using paper. Anyone got some tips to fix that? I realize practicing more on it is a big part of it, but I just can't shake the feeling I'm doing something wrong.

>>2104776
Grab Paint Tool SAI and adjust the Stabilizer setting.
Can't work without it. (digitally)

>>2104777
>>2104776
You can also install lazy nezumi if you want to continue making lineart in photoshop

most recent study. shitty fulltime work sucks

>>2104317
I just read a lot of books and do the exercises / make exercises.
It's the safest bet and it keeps me motivated.
I have the same fear though.

thoughts on my color scheme so far?

>>2105137
it's shit

>>2105137

References, bruh. Look at sunsets and the kinds of colors that produces and how it affects the environment. Look at shit like grey cars in sunset light, shouldn't be too hard considering grey is a popular color for cars.

Another thing you can do is convert the image to greyscale, that's a good way of seeing what jumps out at you or if the image is a giant mess.

I wonder when my book drawings won't require all this tech stuff to be on their place in space

>>2105137
>the main characters of the piece are copy pasted
Give up now, you'll never become an artist of any worth.

>>2104776
>>2104777
>>2104780
These two, also it will take a while to get used to drawing with a tablet. You shouldn't start using a tablet before you've finished the book though.
When you do, buy a clothe glove for your pen hand and cut two fingers out for holding the stylus with, it will stop your shit from gripping the drawing surface which is probably what's fucking up your lines so hard.

>>2105166
I cant comprehend why youre drawing half of those lines. all you needed were your horizon line, I guess your parallel line.
one vanashing point for the table, and then I guess the two for the book.

what the fuck is the point of the other stuff.
all the other lines, points angles circle just not needed.

>>2105300
no retard it is needed

>>2105303
why is the circle that isn't connected to anything needed.

>>2105307
The circle is also the SP and so naturally the cone would show up anyway so why not draw to it. It's not that much extra work. He also needed the SP to draw back to the 90 for the book perspective.

>>2105307

Not that guy but the circle symbolizes the cone of vision although I agree that it's not really needed in this.

>>2105300
If you barely know anything about perspective I'm not sure you should be criticizing.
All of these lines have a purpose. Pick up a book.

my brain is full of fuck right now
what if you're drawing a figure in perspective and you want to tilt one of the body parts, will they all be in the same vanishing point? when is something not going to have the same vanishing point?
example:head looking down and body straight up
or
someone sitting down

>>2105328
All lines that are parallel to each other go to the same vanishing point.

Only lines that are parallel to each other share a vanishing point.

>>2105317
>>2105310
>>2105303
All that stuff has a clear and definite purpose. None of them are needed for "book on table"

If you need to go full perspective construction for a drawing of two boxes give up now.

>>2105332
In other words, a body part tilted relative to the other body parts will have a different vanishing point.

>>2105334
never go full retard

>>2105346
Wait a sec why don't you draw the same thing with your minimal approach and I'll correct you to see if you're wrong

Go ahead, I'm waiting.

I'm so bad at analyzing light and painting values. I always go too dark and ruin everything. Fucking hell. I'm so mad at myself.

Is there any kind of drawing-helper software?

Shit that can do math and figure out vanishing points and such for you.

While I wouldn't use it for normal drawing, it seems like that could be ultra-useful for animation.

>>2105363
http://epicgames.com/community/2012/11/free-art-tool-released-thanks-to-epic-friday/

>>2105141
neat. its still mostly in the color block stage so it should be shit at this point any ways.

>>2105207
i dont care if its cheating if i copy paste objects that are literally identical. im just trying apply stuff ive learned from other studies into something into a simple fan art that ive always wanted to do. if it really ends up looking overly shitty due to the obvious copied elements ill put the effort into making them look different

>>2105149
youre right i didnt color checking any refs on the sunset. i just did and supposedly purpe clouds and bright yellows/oranges are a thing so ill move ahead with it. thanks for the tip. i always forget to check the grayscales on everything so ill start to make it a habit

>>2105334
All of them except cov are needed to _correctly_ construct two boxes. If you have better way to do this - go ahead, I'd like to see it.

>>2105428
You need COV to account for distortion.

hello i am squircles i did this cos i am interest

>>2105432
Yeh but I have my SP and can sorta eye it and can always place SP further away from center. Can't understand yet how to eye correct 90 and 45 degree, guess it's the thing that comes with practice

>>2105436
you can't eyeball math he is a retard

>>2105436
>eyeball
Nigga it's literally a 90° angle from the SP. Y'all stupid idiots.

>>2105440
The table is 1x1x3 in dimensions. You failed to draw the legs back and put everything on 1 plane. Your 90 is off.

You graduated to lvl 2 retard.

>>2105445
>your 90
You're at level 3. That anon wasn't the original guy.

>>2105447
he knows who he is

>>2105452
who?

>>2105453
what?

>>2105454
where?

>>2105456
when?

>>2105457
why?

>>2105461
How?

Are left and right VP of 2-point always 90 degree?

>>2105465
no

>>2105466
They are don't be retarded.

>>2105472
teehee

>>2105445
oh you were talking to me.

I was just copying other guy.
he didn't put back legs.
I didn't even know I was meant to be using degrees lul.

Fucking perspective autists are out in full force tonight.

>>2105493
Why do you have that gay ass trip on?

>>2105516
its my nam so people can see me learn.

>>2105522
It'd be better if you stayed anonymous unless you were someone like tabelguy and even him I don't think has a trip.

>>2105524
but then who would know whose drawings are whose? There were about a dozen people drawing circles the other week.

Doesn't bother me, just bothers everybody else so I wont worry.

>>2105526
Everyone can tell whose drawing is whose if they
1) post regularly
2) the medium they use
3) their style

don't be a faggot, take the trip off.

>>2105531
oh do this cos someone on internet says..

no?!

I believe you can filter things if you don't like them. I think its only people with mental problems who are bothered by such things.

if I get good by some miracle, then I am proof anyone can.

>>2105531
>don't be a faggot, take the trip off
Jesus fuck you dumb faggot, go draw something instead of bitching about some anon having a name.

>>2105538
Stubborn and gay.
>>2105540
fine

>>2105493
There's no point copying olson's perspective class notes really

>>2105606
Why?

>>2105606
Don't instill your bad habits on people. Taking notes is vital to retaining information.

>>2106032
>anatomy is hard
Yes, yes it is anon. Keep working.

>>2106046
Thanks, famon.

>I really need to work on hands
>resolve to spend the week just getting a basic understanding of them down
>open Drawing Dynamic Hands

I'm not going to make it

>>2106032
>anatomy is hard
no it's not, everything is easy, you just gotta believe, and you gotta want it.

>>2105541
Reminder to just filter the low-quality people.

>>2106163
Might as well get off 4chan.

>>2106170
Filtered.

>>2103933
Learning a new language could open a variety of opportunities, especially Japanese. Several of them are talented artists, as well.

I understand where you're coming from, considering that there are languages used more frequently throughout the world.

>>2106181
Anon pls...I need you in my life!

Please help me. I struggle with drawing the human body as a whole. When I draw it I don't feel like I know what I'm doing and it ends up looking like shit. The things that I feel I'm struggling the most with are the shapes of the diffrent body parts and where it is positioned on the body. I also find it hard to keep everything in proportion
Are there any exercises or anything I can do to improve this?

>>2106201
agreeing with this. To learn a language isn't just to be able to communicate with the speakers of said language, it also adds a new dimension to the understanding of the culture.

This coming from a quadrilingual motherfucker, learning a new language is always a good idea.

>>2106447
compare to reference

>>2106453
I didn't use a reference

>>2106454
then either start using ref, or loomis/hampton/vilppu/proko/sycra/drawabox/watts/NMA it up, nigga.

step up

>>2106454
Start using reference. You can't draw what you don't know.

anyone know where I can find a complete set of the Michael Hampton figure drawing videos?

>>2106454
but compare what you end up with to one. that's how you see the mistakes.

>>2106510
You literally can't draw stiffer gestures than those. I'm impressed.

>>2105614
I do my class notes thoroughly. I mean there is no point in copying them without listening actual lecture

>>2106516

Not him but it obviously isn't meant to be a gesture, looks more like basic figure construction.

>>2106522
ok

I know you probably have people like me always stop here.

I'm good at geometry and perspective drawing, but beyond that I am next to worthless at every thing else, if it was never used in an industrial area, I can't remotely do it.

Should I adjust from where I am into other drawing, or should I basically start over as if I am 5 years old?

Thanks, and sorry in advance.

>>2106525
Then it's very stiff basic figure construction.

>mfw thinking in 3d

berx

Colors, how do they work?
Are those pleasing color schemes or am I retarded?

>>2106585
I guess they could work with some effort. See, the problem is that they're dull. You don't have an eye-catching color in there, just values that are very close to each other. I can make out three silhouettes with some squinting but that's all.

>>2106516
>You literally can't draw stiffer gestures than those. I'm impressed.
One literally couldn't write stupider comments than that. I'm impressed.

>>2106629
You seem upset. Truth hurt? ;)

>>2106636
>;)
back to reddit you go

>>2106510
Let me phrase it better than that other anon, Boxes are good to get the 3D and construction, but you should also do additional gestures with curves to make them not look so stiff. After that move onto simple skeletons.

Try to get the idea down with as little lines as possible for example.

>>2106463

Bump

>>2106563
Nice exercise

biggest problems?

>>2106853
values

>>2106853
Your eyes and nose are fucking huge

Is "Keys to Drawing" better than "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain"?
I picked up the latter and I'm not feeling it. I'm like 70 pages in and it's all a load of pseudoscientific babble so far with little to no actual drawing instruction. Hell, the only exercises so far are the "pre-instruction drawings".

>>2106853
why does you draw circles when there are no circles in the photo?

>>2106874
I was trying to visualize cheekbones and skull depressions. It's mainly just my attempt to understand head structure and perspective.

>>2106874
Its a method of abstraction for the head. The head itself is not a ball or an egg-ish shape, but its a geometric tool that can be used to get us close to an actual head.

>>2106862
Skip the fluff text if you like and go straight to the exercises

>>2106889
Is there any actual useful information in the text?

>>2103526

>>2106862
Ok downloaded "Keys to Drawing" and it is way better.

How long should a portrait study take ideally? I can probably draw something accurately if I stare at it long enough, but that feels like it doesn't put any pressure on my skills.

>>2106928

As long as you need.

Ideally it's not something you want to dwell on, unless your intention is to make it into a finished piece. For example you learn a lot more from banging out 12 5 minute portraits than from one hour long portrait.

>>2106862
why do people on /ic/ pretend like they know neuroscience to claim something is pseudoscientific babble?

>>2106936
cuz it's the repetition of what everybody here says.
>don't break the chain

>>2106936
Well, I'm a neuroscience major for starters.

>>2106981
Not that guy, but you have to be pretty dim to not understand a book with such a simply concept. It teaches you how to see things the way they are, rather than your brain's interpretation of what you see.
What it doesn't teach you is construction, form or actually understanding the subject matter, which I'd say is an equally important skill.
That being said, it's an ok starter book.

I'm working out of the Hampton book for like a week now, how long should I be spending on Gesture?

I feel like I'm not really getting the hang of it and that I'm doing too much chicken scratch.

when time cometh I will compile them ramblings into horrific grimoire of Thousand Vanishing Points, my name will be cursed amongst all mortals and artists alike for all the horrors of curvilinear foreshortened dimensions I'll unleash onto minds

(it will also serve as good reference if I ever forget all the shit about fourtyfivedegree incantation or any other powerful perspectispell)

>>2107042
>how long should I be spending on Gesture?
Hours. Learn to love it. Its something that you will always work on.

>>2107055
I've been doing this for 3hrs a day for like a week now, this is the end result sadly

there's no hope..

>>2107042
Learning to draw gesture isn't just a check in the box, it's something you're constantly developing and improving on, same with line confidence. So long as you're making a conscious effort towards working and improving at it you'll get there in time.

>>2107096

Based on what you see how do you think im doing?

>>2107068
>3hrs a day for like a week
>for like a week
>a week
Fucking please

>>2107111

I work security full time and all I do is sit at a desk.

>>2107068
I've been doing it for 2 and half years constantly and have got to a point where I'm somewhat satisfied but I still continue to do gestures for hours each day. It's therapeutic for the mind. You have to keep at it.

>>2103916
>implying learning art is useful in any fucking way
lel

Lion king

>>2107117
Do you think it's safe for me to move on in the book if I keep practicing gesture at least an hour a day?

>>2107119

M8 that's Beauty and the Beast

>>2107105
I'm the first anon that replied to your post. Its not too bad. The gestures feel stiff. Your focusing too much on the contours of the figure and not simplifying them into simpler shapes based on what the body is doing.

I personally think Hampton is not a good source to learn gesture from.

Start here instead: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtG4P3lq8RHGuMuprDarMz_Y9Fbw_d2ws
There is no "correct" way to do gesture, but I think this guy does a better job of explaining and presenting it. Keep working and find ways to motivate yourself through this. Its not impossible to improve.

>>2107120
Hampton? Yes, the main focus of Hampton is the muscle anatomy. I'd personally supplement Hampton with Vilppu for maximum benefit.

Ikr

>>2107042
You're too sloppy and missing Hampton's point entirely. Those curves that go around the torso and the limbs are meant to be contour lines, not just some random shitty squiggles that you plop down willy-nilly. Actually pay attention and think about what he's saying when you read the book.

We don't have much going for us if we don't learn to draw.

>>2107122
It's clearly Hunchback of Notre Dame.

>>2106901

Good job man. Pretty good first attempt.

Are visual diaries meant to be HARDER to draw on than normal paper? I went from lined paper to normal paper you put in your printer and that was fine, the paper was more sturdy but I went to the store and bought a $5 visual diary and besides it being binded so I don't have loose pieces of paper everywhere, I hate it.

Pencil markings look rough due to the paper material, it feels harder to control the pencil and worst of all i'm left handed so I have to carefully draw right to left otherwise it smudges. I've never had these problems with normal paper, not to this degree anyway.

Is this normal or did I just get some low quality cheap shit? Pic isn't what I got but it's something similar. Just some random office supplies company product for $5. Also I bought a pacer to use instead of the HB pencil that I usually use.

>>2107507
pacer = mechanical pencil btw

>>2107507
>>2107510

Depends on the paper being used in the visual diary; there are some really nice ones you can blow 10-25$ on for smooth paper. I've found the paper in a 5$ sketchbook is usually student grade and it has a lot of tooth, which is good for sketching in things like charcoal or coloured pencil but can be meh for graphite. Especially so if you're using a mechanical pencil, because the lead can perforate the paper if you're heavy handed. If you're bent on using the thing, it would be better to get a soft pencil and work with that and a tortillion.

Alternately, you can just keep 5 dollars worth of printer paper in a binder, which is what I did for about 4 years. Right now I'm using a Cachet Fusion Sketchbook, which is pretty good in terms of paper quality but can be pricy for the sake of some added features. If you're a middle of the road, I recommend buying a Canson XL Mix Media from Walmart (around 5$ or so in various sizes).

>>2107507
There are different kinds of paper. You got something that's either shit or meant for different media.

If you want smoother paper go get something smoother, bro. You can go to an art store and either look for a sketchbook that says smooth, not textured or bristol or anything. Make sure you know what weight of paper you like (check on what printer paper you were using and hang around that range if you want) or open up the books to check and see whether you like the thickness and texture.

As for the lefty problem, you could get a bigger sketchpad and draw in landscape mode all the time, or just learn how to draw without putting your hand on the paper (protip: either use your pinky to stabilize in an area you haven't drawn on or don't put your hand to the paper at all so that you don't smudge. Easy fix.)

As for sketchbook brands, the ones I see most are strathmore and canson. If you want other brands you could always check out what's up on dickblick, they don't tend to sell shit to people unless you look in the kids section (even then it's not terrible).

I've never heard of the brand you got, and your pacer/mechanical pencil should be just fine. You can just buy HB lead for it if you want HB, it's the same shit and a sharp lead is best for pencil work anyways.

>>2107539
>>2107543
Found the brand I bought: http://www.xpressgraphx.com.au/premium-visual-diary-110gsm-a4

Yeah I suppose next time I'll get a binder and put printer paper in it. I'm going to be honest I just thought visual diary = use this for drawing without realizing how thick it is really mattered that much. The visual diary I bought is 110gsm while printer paper is like 80-90, I guess that makes sense now.

Cheers

>>2107563
Printer paper is the way to go, bro. You could also make your own book, by the way. Binding isn't difficult.

What supplies would you guys recommend for a mid-level beginner with a $500 budget, for traditional work and fundamentals, but also some finished pieces (painting, drawing, etc)?

>>2106891
>Is there any actual useful information in the text?
Actually a lot. I found the text useful enough to not do the exercise. But I stopped reading after a few exercises because I got enough out of it. If you can draw in any way then doing the exercises isn't that much worth it.

It obviously doesn't replace any books about learning the craft itself, but it can show some blind spots and dig through your memories.

>>2106891
No. Only pseudo-science that's been proven wrong numerous times.

>>2107507
If the paper doesn't have a different texture on the backside, just rotate the thing and draw on the backsides. Or upside down. It's just paper.

Alternatively, perforate copy paper with the holes for these binders and use that?

I'm shit at values and shade, haven't focused on that yet. I'm going through "...Right Side of the Brain".

Where did I fuck up? What should I focus on?

>>2107583
Try to see the changes in value as shapes themselves. Don't shade them in yet, just get used to seeing them as 2D shapes.
You should practice measuring angles more, as well. Did you start your drawing on the right side? Because it seems to be more "correct" than the left one.

>>2107586
Indeed, I started on the right side of the drawing.

I really dont think Im cut out for this, I dont have the hand controls for this

>>2107609
Then pick up some other skill. Life is short.

>>2107614
But I really want to do it, I cant get anatomy right

>>2107609
It will take years of drawing to develop proper muscle memory and technique, don't worry you'll get there if you keep practising and learning.

>>2106891
No, that's why I switched to keys to drawing.
I literally burned out dealing with that right vs left bullshit before every fucking excersise.

Just something bugging me. I did front face drawing. But when i flip it horizontal, it look strange. Why do this happen? Is there anyway to prevent this happening? Not like fix it after it's done, but prevent it.

>>2107630
it's probably your construction and gesture that you need to work more on

>>2107630
You can't get a lot of things right, man. Start from the sticky, anatomy is the least of your problems.

So I started reading up on Loomis. At the very start I tried drawing some of the basic headshapes in the book. Got stuck on drawing the sphere for the top of the skull. Appearantly I don't have any sense of depht, so I tried constructing these balls instead to understand how they're built.

Is this unnecessary work, or is it important for to know how to draw a sphere?

>>2107711
Perspective first.

>>2107713
I know perspective, that's one of the few things i think I get. I just found it difficult to draw the sphere with the x, y and z-axis.
My question was if knowing all this is relevant to drawing the head.

>>2107714
>I know perspective, that's one of the few things i think I get. I just found it difficult to draw the sphere with the x, y and z-axis.

Then you don't truly know perspective, or at least don't know ellipses as circles in perspective.

>My question was if knowing all this is relevant to drawing the head.

Technically no, you can work off a rectangular prism instead of a sphere, but its good to know both.

Currently learning from Loomis's "Fun With A Pencil" - Babies section. I am not quiet understand how Loomis did his babies's head drawing. So i did the best as i could. What do you think, Anon? Do you love babies, Anon? 99 y/o

Can someone provide a step to step guide as to where to start with learning to draw? I'm a bit overwhelmed by the amount of stuff that you can learn. I.E. form, perspective, anatomy and so on, and I've got no idea as to where to start. I've read Loomis' Fun with a Pencil, but some of the later parts were a bit hard for me to comprehend.

>>2107672
Flipping the image gives you a fresh perspective on the picture, making you notice mistakes you couldn't before. Prevent it? Don't make the mistakes or flip the image more often while making it so you can catch them earlier

>>2107736
Step 1: read the sticky.

>>2104014
rofl

>>2107736
If you're just looking for some fun, do Loomis's funny head. But if you realy serious, i recommended focus on perspective, and do other stuff when you feel sick doing perspective.

>>2107736
This is a hard question, because you need to basically beat yourself through everything and it differs from subject to subject.

"Composition: Understanding Line, Notan and Color"
"Harding's Lessons on Drawing"

Are fairly basic and subject neutral. They are also written for art teachers and art students.

"Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain"

helps you to analyze your thinking if you got kinks in there, but don't be too hung up on it.

But you also want to look at books which talk about the drawing utensils themselves and books about what you want to draw, which often mention the fundamentals you care about. Books which are about drawing from nature are also often useful to draw from imagination.

>>2107672
>>2107741
Or never draw anything.

drawabox lesson 2

>>2107743
I tried, but like I said, some of the stuff in Loomis' first to try book confused me near the end.

>>2107748
I want to do it seriously, and I really want to learn to draw landscapes and buildings/architecture and alike. So perspective would be the best starting point then, right?

>>2107751
Thanks for the suggestions, anon. I will have to check those out. Though I've read mixed reviews on the "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" book.

>didn't get any sleep last night
>get out of bed at 5am and start doing 'perspective made easy' because i didn't want to waste my time
>3 hours later remember there's no food in the house
>go to the shop
>embarass myself multple times in my sleep deprived state
>go home and eat the unhealthy food i bought
>realise i also ran out of paper
>nearest stationary store is a 30 minute walk
>chug the red bull and don't even think twice about leaving for paper
>get home with supplies and realise i bought 200 sheets of the cheapest shiny paper in the store
>didn't brush teeth so my mouth feels furry

fuck art tbh pretty close to giving up

>>2107836
>pretty close to giving up
du eet fgt

>>2107836
>pretty close to giving up
No, you're not. You can do it, anon.

>>2107828
If you are unsure, just download books first to give them a read. Nothing beats ones own opinion and there are hundreds of books to look at and to choose from.

>>2107733
I like your drawing, 99 y/o. You are very good.

>>2107836
I dunno about the art, but you suck at basic living.

>>2107828
Get some books + videos, do then to the end.
Draw is not that easy, you'll find some frustration, some things that looks like complicated puzzles. Try to solve them.

Has anyone here ever read Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R Norling?

If so, I could use some help with this one part. At around page 158, he talks about creating shadows of a brick by extending them out by one whole length of the brick's edge. My question is: is he using different corresponding lengths of each individual edge to extend out the shadow, or is he using the same length for all of the edges?

>>2107867
>>2107902
Alright, I'll go through all sorts of material then. Thanks a lot.

Help me out, because I'm pretty confused.

I think I'm doing things wrong. Not in a technical sense, more like in an organization sense.

I'm at school, bunch of finals now, and prior to that, bunch of stuff to learn through the whole year ofc, but I still would like to be somewhat good at drawing.

I have problem with time organization I think. Whenever I'm done studying for the school stuff, I get to drawing, but because I'm already tired, I never get to do more than one project ( project from Keys to Drawing), Which is like 30mins of drawing a day.

I recently started thinking that this may not be the best method to learn drawing with school " in the way". Any tips on my problem? Should I change the way I'm learning currently?

>>2107909
Try this book http://focusmanifesto.com/

>>2107909
try taking a nap or chill out a bit, then go back to an evening session so you can do a few hours

>>2107903
already answered in the other thread

>>2108000

>>2108000

>>2108000

NEW THREAD

>>2107914
Cool, thanks! I'll read into it.

>>2107969
Yeah I forgot to mention that my daily free time starts at 8 pm.. thanks for the tip, but unfortunately I can't do few hours every day.

Altough I was so desperate yesterday, that I put a cup of cold water next to my bed before sleeping, so I could wash my sleepiness away 4 am in the morning haha. I wanted to draw from 4 to seven but it just didn't work, fell back asleep..