/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

reminder that this exists
https://mega.co.nz/#F!2RARFaLA!VTiQb6eRXfV4V6mYQ6FJTA

>>2096218
repostin

any comments? Should I move on to something else?

>>2096272
You should take a step back and study perspective.

>>2096275
i was honestly just practicing drawing the head shape and doing random angles. Unless there's still something wrong.

I cannot even draw a straight line on pc and this frustrates me. I can draw them no problem on paper, but with tablet they wobble like drunken sailor

>>2096294
Use your shoulder. Practice 1 hour making circles clockwise and counter clockwise and point to point.

Can I get some pointers/feedback? Faces are hard.

>>2096304
Don't pet your stroke. - Loomis
or something like that.

>>2096304

You are still symbol drawing. Focus on becoming confident about mark making. Learn about constructing features and getting shapes to read as 3d. You have a long road ahead but keep at it.

>>2096294
make 2 points
pretend to join them without touching tablet so you get a feeling for the motion
then do one quick stroke.

>>2096315
I am aware of ghosting technique and use it on paper
The problem is it looks off and disconnected on tablet
There's decision where to look for control, at tablet or at monitor, all my instincts tell me I must look at where the fucking pen is, common sense tells otherwise.

>>2096326
yea I know that feel, that's why I bought a tablet pc.
tho using my Wacom as a mouse for a year helped me gain some control before I switched.

The transition of joints confuse me

>>2096333
https://www.dropbox.com/s/u7yc2roh0mlsr6w/240393651-Anatomy-for-Sculptors.pdf?dl=0

maybe that will help it has a lot of simplification of things

>>2096340
I literally have that open right now. Yeah, Im browsing through each image looking for an answer.

Some heads.

>>2096350
Sometimes I wish our mortuaries be more open to the public. Souvenir preserved body parts shop or something like that.

>>2096359
I mean, I can touch my elbow right now and feel the joint, but its still complicated to me..

Pic related, what I just attempted to draw.

self critique: do sharp edges bby

>>2096362
you drew this? it's great

>>2096383
no, its from a book. Im way too pathetic to make something like this.

I attempted drawing this and I tried to see anatomy.

>>2096326
>There's decision where to look for control, at tablet or at monitor, all my instincts tell me I must look at where the fucking pen is, common sense tells otherwise.
Practice drawing while looking at your subject. (you know, like you're supposed to have been doing)

>>2096394
Heres another attempt at figuring out anatomy. Excuse the misplacement of the right arm arm.

>>2096287
There is. You don't know how to construct because you have no idea about perspective. Your forms look bad.

>>2096233
the krita version is super-outdated, pls update

Whenever I draw on my UGEE tablet it feels as if everything I do is wobbly like in this picture, the slower i go the more wobbly it is... How do I avoid it? If I go any faster I am not in control of the line. But if I stay at this speed it's wobbly.

>>2096422

What wobblyness are you referring to exactly? The overall unevenness of the spiral, or the "micro"-wobbles?

I'm talking about the "micro"-wobbles... I am unsure of how to get rid of it though practice.

>>2096426
They mostly go away over the years as your hand becomes more steady (and you start to draw faster by default as well), but if you need absolutely clean lines, you can activate the stabilizer in your painting program with a low stabilization value. With a very low setting, it'll smooth out the micro-wobbles without changing the overall look of your shapes or changing the way it feels to draw too much.

>>2096430
I see, it'll take a lot of practice to get rid of it.

Is there any stabilizer in Photoshop like the one in Painttool Sai?

>>2096431
No idea, I only really use krita and mypaint these days, and both have that feature built-in.

You can buy lazy nezumi to get stabilization in any software, but it costs some.

>>2096433
>UGEE tablet
Also, it might just be that your tablet is much more sensitive towards the wobbles than my wacom, I've never heard of or used UGEE before.

>>2096435
I like the UGEE tablet, no buttons or anything on it though. Only thing I don't really like is the drivers and the super slippery pen area.

>>2096433
I've looked into Lazy Nezumi. But won't it hinder the smoothing out progress I make? As I don't have to focus on making smooth lines anymore?

>>2096439

Buttons are useful to have, although not absolutely mandatory. I use the intous pro M myself, which has quite a few buttons.

I don't like slippery surfaces either, so what I do is to tape a piece of somewhat rough, cold-pressed paperstock over the tablet. It prevents wear of the tablet surface, is easily replaced and gives it a very rough feel. The drawback is of course that the nibs of the pen wear out much faster.

You can use smoothing only when you absolutely need it to, because there is a line you just can't get right without. I never use smoothing for sketching or anything that is not intended to be a finished, polished artwork. So in a way it's a crutch, but it's still a useful tool at your disposal if you need to get optimal line quality. I haven't used Nezumi, so I don't know how easy it is to turn it on/off, but I have a button in my painting program that turns it on/off.

>>2096442
I'd like to have buttons aswell, but it's not something mandatory for me as I always have a hand on my keyboard anyway.

I tried putting a piece of paper on my tablet surface and to be honest it looks and feels as if I get more wobbles. I have more control when going slower, but the roughness in the paper can be seen on the canvas as micro wobbles, so I guess that a smoothing tool would be a good addition to when you need smooth lines only. Other than that, sketching etc I should just do my best not to chicken scratch and do fine lines. Then later add the lineart with smoothing.. I think I get this.

>>2096443

Using rough paper will give you a priori more microwobbles, yes, since the rough texture throws your pen around a bit more while you draw. Bump down the roughness of the paper a notch or wait until the paper is worn down from all the drawing so that it becomes more smooth. But on the other hand, the better grip does allow you to get more control over the "big" gestures, so for instance I find it easier when drawing a stroke between two points to exactly stop on the final point with a rougher texture. With a slippery surface, I don't have that much control over it.

Remember also that microwobbles are not really *that* important. Our eye/brain is an averaging machine, and as long as the general curve of your line is, on average, aesthetically pleasing, micro-wobbles are not really a big deal. If you look at some finished artworks/comics etc (e.g. the stuff that kim jung gi draws with a brush-pen on physical paper), you'll see they still have plenty of microwobbles, you just don't notice it much, because the overall shape of the line is so pleasing.

>>2096405
i thought perspective was a thing later on? I mean most books and resources tell you how to construct a head and then I thought going to head from body is when you start to line things up to perspective

>>2096469
No. I really wish this kind of advice would disappear.
You can't construct form if you don't know how to place it in space. Go study perspective.

Perspective practice

>>2096476
Hi. I liked it, what are you studying

Steve Huston or Hampton for start with construction?
> I was studying perspective, was trying loomis but fail with human body in perspective. Wanna try the best with shape construction.

>>2096442
Dude, just chiming in to say thanks for the sweet idea of taping paper onto the tablet! My skills on paper are insanely superior to my skills on tablet and that idea just helped bridge the gap, micro-wobbles aside.

I drew a cartoon fox in your honor

>>2096716
No problem, thanks for the awesome fox!

i was doodle

whenever I start drawing, I get embarassed when I finish the creation, which destroys every bit of my motivation
how do I get more self confident when it comes to drawing? or am I the only one with this problem..

>>2096803
Hey, I don't know what your goals are, but if you are trying to get good, this concept helps:
Approach no drawing as anything but practice. Don't allow yourself to feel attached to any particular work you produce. 95% of your drawings should be practice, study, internalizing concepts, and repetition. That other 5% is finishing works for the sole practice of seeing where you are, and making sure you can finish pieces.

>>2096812
I find it helps me with the non-attachment to draw non-digitally (pencil or brush pen) -- If I draw something digitally, I might take it all the way to completion, color it, paint in details, colorgrade it, ... all that fucking around, but if I draw it on paper, it's just another drawing that goes on a pile of hundreds of others. Because I sure as hell ain't gonna bother scanning it...

>>2096803
Draw more and get better as you do. The confidence follows from the drawings, not the other way 'round.

>>2096823
thanks man, I'll try to do it like you say then

>>2096826
sounds logical, thanks

>>2096838
It generally is that way, but sometimes you also find some small things that you are really "good" at (like creating a certain effect with a brush, drawing noses a certain way, ...) and then those things form your comfort zone.

And there's nothing bad with having a comfort zone (and staying inside it for a while), as it helps you to remind yourself that you don't suck, that you've come some ways, and by giving you a place to expand from, but you should always be aware of it and try to expand out from it.

You could try to make drawing boxes in perspective (inside rooms) your comfort zone, to start with. Draw a few hundred rooms with boxes inside, move to chairs and tables if you're more comfortable.

>>2096843
sounds great, will do

Forearms are complicated.

Won't have internet for the next weeks, what am I supose to work on in that time? Here is something I just came up with.

Anyone have some guides to simplifying hands?

>>2096985
Draw them in mittens?

>>2096992
Perspective wise?

How can I improve symmetry in composition?

Pic related, I keep drawing like this, and then realize where I went wrong much later. I know about the horizontal flipping trick, but I still can't get this shit right.

I liked the knight princess design from the tower princesses thread. This is one of my first serious drawings, and I hope I can improve :)
I should try bigger scales...

>>2097017
Create a stronger undersketch

also, looks like you're just copying the reference rather than trying to understand the 3D shapes and proportions, which probably doesn't help the matter. Do you even draw the centerlines etc?

tablet is hard

>>2097020
>I should try bigger scales
When you do, make sure you downscale the image. That's too big.

>>2097021
I do draw guidelines and such, but I don't follow them very strictly. I'll start there, thanks.

>>2097026
Thanks for the advice... I didn't even consider it.
Im sorry

>>2097027
np. If I were you, I'd put away with the painting alltogether for at least a few months and just concentrate on the sketching/drawing part. Draw 3D shapes, faces, body proportions, ...

>>2097035
Just sketched these out, focusing on proportions/guidelines. It seems to work out much nicer!

I'm really pleased with how this turned out.

How do people even do these things?

How do you practice construction?

completely from imagination, probably pretty bad, I might scrap it

>>2097112
I like it. Keep up the good work :^D

>>2097128
Use a much bigger brush, don't worry about detail, focus on values (do greyscale first, you don't seem ready for color)

>>2097160
I'm not ready for a lot of things.
Thank you though.

What program are you guys using?

are there any sites where I can buy like, reference posters or something? like posters for head/body proportions and loomis-y shit. I want to hang some in my room.

>>2097199
Most people here use Paint Tool SAI or Photoshop.
Basically anything that supports tablet drivers, and allows you to rotate the canvas view, should be good enough.

Hah, Early this morning, I popped an adderall for the first time since starting art. Thought it might make me hyper focused on my art studies. But in actuality I'm hyper-distracted. Like, I've done everything but art. God damn.
All I've managed to squeeze out were a couple of pretty sloppy warmup torso drawings.

>>2097199
mypaint for watercolor stuff (because the watercolor brushes feel fantastic), krita for everything else.

Just started today, been drawing lines and circles for about 4 hours and my hand is fucking dying. Will this happen less often as I practice or am I doing something wrong? I take a 3 minute break every half hour to stretch my hand but I dunno how much it's helping.

>>2097236

Don't just stretch, you should also do semi-daily wrist exercises.

This guy shows a few good ones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=98&v=nAMDTWtVWtI

Hand strain (as far as I know) doesn't go away with experience, in fact it can get worse. You should make sure that you don't get it from the start.

>>2097247
Thanks, this should help a lot by the sound of it.

i can't into perspective or how to even form ways to practise. i am alright at drawing basic shapes but no sense of depth. wut do. i also am trying to find a time to draw. so far its my lunch breaks at work.

>>2097112
awesome

>>2097139
His legs kind of look like crinkle fries. Don't trash it. Improve and look back at it and feel proud. I recommend looking at references for fabric. His position looks a little forced too.

>>2097158
>>2097317
Thanks!!

My friend told me this place was mean but ur actually very nice :)

I really need some boot/shoes/feet tutorials, im almost finished with a drawing, anyone got some on hand?

>>2097112
this is amazing

>>2097158
>>2097317
>>2097440
These have to be fucking trolls or some serious samefag going on.

first time "srsly" doing sketches/drawings since i was a little kid.
first time on this board too
come at me brahs

>>2096471
fair enough

>>2097453
abstract is bad

draw stuff that people can actually define

ok have fun

>>2096978
Buy a satellite phone with a gigantic battery pack, use it as a hot spot

>>2097466
>abstract is bad
why :(? it leaves much more for the imagination imo
>draw stuff that people can actually define
defining is a form of limitation imo, and i dont think that is good, also, people can define my drawings all they want anyways
>ok have fun
yeah feels good to draw again, it feels like my brain shuts the fuck up whenever im doing it

>>2097476
Do you want to improve as an artist or have a career in art?
>yes
Start learning how to draw representational art + study color theory and your art will improve, even your abstract stuff.
>no
continue with your shitty high school notebook doodles.

>>2097481
>continue with your shitty high school notebook doodles.
;_;
damn, right in the feels, there was no need man.
>study color theory
tfw color blind
>representational art
can you explain in simple words what this means?

should i even bother doing paintings from photo reference ?

>>2097453
linework is pretty sloppy. things that should be symmetrical aren't. patterns seem too amateurish. learn how to draw shapes. the whole thing lacks cohesion. those eyes are really bad.


the trouble with posting stuff like this is that nobody can really critique it because of the "everything was purposeful" excuse

the problem with doing work like this, however, is something else entirely. When an artist of amazing caliber makes something abstract people wonder why he would do that as opposed to something technically great. But when a beginner makes something like that, people know it's because they can't do something technically great.

Essentially what I'm saying is, get gud and then you can make shitty art. For now learn how to draw.

>>2097491
Keep studying until you find something you struggle with, then try drawing off reference with said struggle, still good to practice off reference and without to see what you need to change.

>>2097496
okay! thanks :333

>>2097476
>also, people can define my drawings all they want anyways
Okay, your drawings look like shit. There is nothing to critique on it. Take your garbage somewhere else.

>>2097497
np :333

>>2097493
>Essentially what I'm saying is, get gud and then you can make shitty art. For now learn how to draw.
this kind of makes no sense to me, but i think i understand what you are trying to say, still,no sense

im just doing what i feel man, as i said, is my first time even taking time to do some shit since i was a kid
>those eyes are really bad.
i just draw one lol, the light blue one, which ones are the others you are talking about?

any artists you think i should check based on the piece of crap i maid?

>>2097504
>maid
sorry, made*

>>2097499
shieet chill out man
why are you so mad?

>>2097493
>the problem with doing work like this, however, is something else entirely. When an artist of amazing caliber makes something abstract people wonder why he would do that as opposed to something technically great. But when a beginner makes something like that, people know it's because they can't do something technically great.
why does this have anything to do with the drawing/painting it self? ok i know mine is shitty, whatever, but if someone would make something completly amazing out of nowhere, would you think the art is bad just because of the context behind it?

>>2097516
Why would I think anything amazing is bad.

help

>>2097520
twice the distance from the eye brow to the hair line.

>>2097528
ty

>>2096400
Don't do outlines, just do the shadows, practice your shadows.

>>2097519
welp
yeah nevermind...
about learning how to draw "good" stuff, i just downloaded a bunch of pdf's from someone called loomis i think? this are like supposed to be pretty good right?

>>2097533
if bait see pic


if actual question, yeah, loomis is good.

This is for my homework, it's my first time with paint-sai, how bad is it?, any advices/criticisms?

>>2097536
lol
ok in what order should i go? or it doesnt matter?

>>2097538
fun with a pencil first.


then do whatever.


Don't bother doing the exorcises on your first read through, just read them. Then go back and do the stuff if you want.

>>2097541
k thanks for your help and patience
i can be an annoying faggot sometimes
sleep tight anon

>>2097543

>>2097545

How does Greyscale work?
I dont get it

Im really frustrated I cant get this right, especially the lips. Any help at least with the lips

>>2097552
forgot pic

>>2097553
You're symbol drawing. Start over, and try your hardest to draw the EXACT shapes that are in the reference.

For example- You made his eyes small and close together because in your head that's how eyes look, but really look at your ref and you'll see that they are wide and pretty far apart.

Same thing with the hair, you gave it too much volume.

the same problem is happening with the lips.


tldr:start over and draw what's in the reference, not what you think the reference looks like.

>>2097558
I am trying to draw what I see Im not drawing what I think it looks like.

Ill try again

>>2097561
listen, man. It doesn't matter what you're trying to do, all that matters is what you're doing.

When you're asking for advice don't have a shitty attitude.

>>2097563
I dont have a shitty attitude lol, I'm just saying that's what Im trying to do, not replying negatively

>>2097565
I get that. Just some more advice for ya. When somebody tells you something you think you already know, don't tell them you already know that, because to the person giving you the advice it seems like you don't so you're doing something wrong regardless.

it just makes you come off like a dick.

>>2097169
that's okay, its part of the learning experience. keep pushing and you'll get there

is there a book of basic exercises or drawings one can do if they don't have much time to sit down and draw something major?

>>2097569
There's always Peter Han and his godly penmanship exercises
Never enough of them

>>2097566
you're the one overreacting here.

>>2097537
I have advanced a lot, can someone give me some feedback pls?, im pretty much alone with this shit.

>>2097616
your old one was a lot better....it had better lips and colors....also this one suffers from really bad pillow shading and ugly colors. Air brushes look really ugly if you use them wrong

>>2097616
Looks very ugly and badly rendered. Not to mention badly measured.
Try again and pick up a book.

>>2096422
It goes away with practice. Just keep drawing.

What are the benefits of life drawing exactly? I'm not very sure how it is useful it is other than better lighting than photos.

>>2097551
What is there not to get?

>>2097651
helps your ability to draw in 3d...

Can I use the loomis method for drawing heads when I'm drawing from a reference? How would such a proces work?

>>2097663
Yes, you can.
You use your life drawing measuring skills to accurately abstract the reference into forms.

>learn anatomy
>suddenly most of the 2d porn I enjoyed is terrible now

Fuck.

>>2096309
>>2096312

Got myself some loomis. Face still seems a little flat and there is something wrong with her eyes that I can't put my finger on.

I've decided to face my fears and practice faces. Turned out better than I thought it would. Is there anything in particular that I should be doing?

>>2097751
Do another one, from the side.
Then do another one, from 45 degrees of center.
Then do another one from 20 degrees off center.

Etc.

Essentially draw it from every angle. It's gonna be hard, and it might not turn out well, and that's fine. Don't fear failure. You can do it.

>>2097743
I feel the disturbance on his/her right eye. move it a little more to the centre. I hope this is true.

>>2097743
I dont know. Maybe her ears doesn't have the same length. May the Loomis be with you

>>2097741
How the fuck do you even do it? It seems like every reference image I study, theres always a surprise for whats there. Even with all my anatomy sources on standby, its still confusing.

>>2097616
shade and highlight with hues, not with black and white.

big shot from the draw thread here, you guys suck and will never be good

>>2097890
Oo mighty Big Shot, we don't deserve your praise.

But, seriously is drawing clean circle free hand really achievable or just fairy tale like /ic dream to become true artist?

>>2097899
In real-life, with a pencil? I don't really have any issues drawing a pretty much perfect-looking, perfectly closed clean circle on paper. With a brush-pen it's much more difficult, but if you have a steady hand and many years of inking experience, I'm sure it's possible.

Digitally with a tablet it's always going to be harder, I usually need a few tries to get the circle to close. If you have a cintiq and you've used it for many years, it's probably possible. For the rest of us, we can just use a stabilizer when we really need to draw a great-looking circle.

I don't really see why it matters though. The important parts of the art process happen in your brain, not in your hand.

I should do more of this shit. Pretty relaxing

>>2097911
Yeah. My Ctrl+Z on the edge of dying because of this.

>>2097922
> not having undo bound to "Z" and/or a tablet button

seriously though, when does it ever matter to draw a perfect circle. I can see that people use it as a benchmark of how steady their hand is, but there are better exercises and tests for that.

>>2097929
Well, yeah. It give me illusion of control.

>>2097945
well, don't sweat it. Do daily exercises of drawing parallel lines, connecting dots (both to train aiming accuracy of going through the dot, and stopping accuracy trying to stop on the dot), 8s/infinities, squares/diamonds etc to train your diagonal lines, spirals and circles, and you'll quickly get to a point where you have more than enough control.

Occasionally I like to google "maze" or "curvy maze", load it up in my painting program or print it out, and then try to trace through it as fast as possible. It's really just for fun, though.

>>2097950
Do you know about any good perspective exercises? Simply drawing forms without bounds feels less useful

>>2097993
drawabox
it's basically what he just told you

>>2097993
I think the wiki has some resources, check those out.

For sure, simply drawing forms doesn't do anything for your actual artistic abilities, it's purely a thing that helps you get better pen-control. I just do it at the start of a session to warm up my hand and get accustomed to the scaling of the tablet and the hardness of the brush.

>>2097566
You're the one coming off as an egotistic cunt.

>>2098003
>>2097613
oh boohoo. get over it.

>>2097994
Thanks, will look.
>>2097995
I really need to understand simple forms. Don't know how to tho.

>>2098012
You can start with Loomis "fun with a pencil".

>>2098019
also, ctrl+paint.

Do you "spin the pad" when you're digital?
Certainly perfecting only one line from left to right is easier

This isn't something I did recently but comments?
I know it's a bit pretentious looking.

>>2098027
Oops, wrong photo.

>>2098026
I rotate the canvas sometimes, yeah, but I know there are some people who do not. I don't spin it to draw a line from right to left though, just for certain curves that I find hard. If you find yourself rotating the canvas all the time, you migth need to practice a bit more.

>>2098030
Yes, I spin it frequently.
I fear that spinning will become bad habit and those are really hard to overcome.
I mean certainly no one will spin 8k's, or spin painting on easel. Upper left-lower right lines feel like torture though.

>>2098028
You pretentious prick. I could still see the pencil work. Go finish it!

But, seriously. I love how you use the hatch. Simple but make it looks like have a weight/volume.

>>2098048
I think its mainly an issue if it slows you down (or if you care a lot about having timelapses of your drawings look good, where spinning frequently tends to be very jarring) -- if you spin more than once a minute or more than once every five minutes, it's probably worth trying to figure out what lines are hard for you and then train those (draw a few hundreds of them).

If you don't spin that often, I wouldn't sweat it.

>>2098057
Thanks man, I find everything coming from upper left domain hard, probably because I'm still learning to use tablet and stuff. Will grind this issue now.

>>2098056
Wow thanks. Didn't expect a compliment.

>>2098067
>Wow thanks. Didn't expect a compliment.

Lol. You got me Anon.

>>2098072
Got you what?

>>2097638
>>2097641
>>2097871
Goddamnit, you guys are so right, i was so tired that i didn't look any of those mistakes, I'm gonna restart it, any advices on how to color it?

>>2098028

The outlet adapter looks all kinds of fucked up, other than that it looks mostly fine to me, although I have no idea what the implement on the right actually looks like IRL.

Try experimenting around with pencil-rendering lines where a shape has a hard edge that gradually softens. Many people draw it like

-----///

so that the line turns into (successively bigger) "hatching" (just slightly tilted lines) as the hard edge turns into a soft curve.

>>2098064
Grinding always helps, but don't let yourself become too distracted by peculiarities of your medium (be it digital or otherwise) -- the hard stuff is the most important (perspective, proportions, ... all that), and also the interchangable stuff that carries over between all media, the rest is just technique that is easily learned.

Currently learning to draw from Fun With A Pencil, Anon.
I want the observer to believe those faces are from the same person. Do you believe it, Anon?

>>2098111
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSmYAdiXb5M

>>2097485
it means "not abstract"

>>2098111
>Do you believe it, Anon?
yea

Trying to learn to draw is fucking hard when you have severe disgraphia.

Here's Bush. Probably the first thing I've made that I think even looks sort of decent.

>>2098175
You've just copied an image, but learned absolutely nothing from it. You just traced out the lines as you saw them on the photograph, to replicate them exactly.

This helps you nothing with actually getting better at drawing. You need to understand which forms actually make up the face. Could you draw his face, 20° or 40° rotated? You couldn't, because you have no idea what his nose would look like.

You need to go to the basics and draw boxes, cylinders and other simpler shapes in 3D and in perspective. Then you need to learn about proportions and how to construct human forms out of those basic shapes by positioning them together in space.

>>2098092
Thanks for the advice. Although you'll have to excuse me for not understanding what you mean by that pencil rendering technique. Could you give an example? It'd be much appreciated.

>>2097485

You can be colour blind and study colour theory you git. Beeing colour blind afaik does not mean that you see black and white

>>2097212
What did you use to study proportion? I like it.

>>2098264
Everything under the sun. However, learning landmark anatomy is probably the most crucial thing. Learn how to construct the ribcage and pelvis as simple 3D forms, and learn the muscles that connect and add shape around those forms.

If I could go back, I would be saving myself a lot of time by using Proko's videos on youtube for figure drawing:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtG4P3lq8RHGuMuprDarMz_Y9Fbw_d2ws

>>2098279
Not him, but thanks /ic/. I need to learn about specific muscle placement on construction now. I practice reference using construction, but I feel like im just placing the muscles where ever seems right. Any other recs besides proko?

Construction confuses me to, because there each model I look at is different in some way, and I have trouble deciding which one to go with.

im a bit desperate, because Ive been drawing from reference for like 6 hours straight now, and these are just my problems.

>>2098292
Read Michael Hampton's construction/anatomy sections in his book. You can DL it here:
https://mega.co.nz/#F!2RARFaLA!VTiQb6eRXfV4V6mYQ6FJTA

Also in that archive, in the videos folder, are Vilppu's specific body part anatomy videos. That'll add all the detail and complexity you need after you get the hang of the basic stuff. I'm not even there yet.

>>2098318
Alright then. Ill use the hampton figure, watch a bunch of anatomy videos, and hopefully draw from reference correctly. Ill also make sure to check out hampton's vids too. Im gonna try to see the perspective in each reference. Before, I used construction blindly, because I thought it would be too technical. I guess I have to save loomis for after Im done with hampton.

And then after loomis, I dont knw whats next, but that will be a while from now.

>>2098339
Sounds like a plan. I'm working on this all too-- constructing figures from scratch, placing anatomy on that construction, all whilst maintaining 3d form. Tough stuff. Here's where I'm at. The only one not from imagination is the really muscular chick in the middle. Just trying to strengthen surface anatomy and form, but it can all get so messy. Hopefully one day, with practice, I can make it look elegant, but for now it's all a big exploratory study to me.

>>2098096
Man, I'd LOVE to start thorough perspective, because I think it's pretty neat, but when my lines look like this shit, it's really hard to make stuff even remotely box-looking. I need to grind on those lines.

>>2098419
That's not too terrible, really, your motor control is good enough to start doing the real stuff. You'll get better as you progress along your art journey anyway. Don't spend more than a day on this.

And remember that it's fine to draw over a line several times to get it right, and to draw fast. sketches are supposed to look sketchy. Some people also find the "hover" technique helpful. And remember to draw from your shoulder.

>>2098414
Hard work ahead for the both of us.

How's this? I tried doing something without a reference. I think I fucked up the eyes.

>>2098423
Thanks, will start with cubes then. I think I will create some shitty cubes and then draw elipses in them. Sounds like a plan

>>2098434
use reference

>>2098540
the advice given here is always so in depth and helpful

>>2098555
There is nothing more to say other than use reference, do you need a link to a human face? Using reference is not bad, you're obviously not at the level to not use one. colors are muddy and the features look flat, especially the lips

I start drawing classes in a week. Totally open to suggestions. No scanner handy atm. Been using a Staedler pencil set and experimenting with different hardness of lead.

>>2098558
you could show him an example of how to do it correctly. explain why its wrong. be a good teacher.

saw this and I had to share. I kek'd

>>2098587
Jesus, people expect to be spoonfed everything these days. I'm not even that other anon. He's right though that all that person needs to do is use some ref.

It's not difficult...step 1--find a picture that shows what you are having trouble with, in this case a face from a front view....step 2--look at how it differs from your painting...step 3--fix your painting.

It shouldn't be expected to have every response be a paintover and demo on how to do everything. A simple crit of telling someone to use reference is fine, especially in an instance like this.

>>2098633
plus theres been been pastas made already of explaining why you need to draw from ref.

Progress from last year.

>>2098656
you imroved a bit. but if youd study anatomy and proportions and basically all art fundamentals (the sticky) then you could be much better.

Various torso studies. Gotta start studying and incorporating the rest of the anatomy. I don't know anything about leg and forearm muscles.

>>2098665
Nice. Muscles of the arms and legs aren't as important as their shape and gesture, get those right and musculature fits right in. You've got some funkiness going on there with the Obliques, and the pecs. On the second one, especially, build the breasts on top of the pecs - they're not their own muscles, as it seems you've indicated, they're circular forms laying on the lower half of the pec.

>>2098668
Ooo thank you thank you. Super handy ref.

Ultimate begginer here. Just drew how i feel everytime i try to draw non-abstract stuff.
Real life is boring brahs
Hold me

ultimate begginer here.
just drew how i feel everytime i try to do non-abstract stuff.
real life is boring bros, feels bad
hold me /ic/

>>2098686
I'd say you're gettin there! by the time you post next you'll probably flit AND shrink down. you can do it anon!

>>2098693
>flit AND shrink down
wut?
speak in ultimate beginer language pls
but thanks ;3

>>2098696
holy shit.

>>2098696
He's basically mocking you. But yeah, it's complete shit, of course. Read the sticky, pick up the book "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" or "Key to Drawing"

Either one will do.

>>2098699
oh... well >>2098693 fuck you i hope your mom dies or something

About how long should a study like this normally take?

>>2097485
>that style isnt always bad, but you dont have the line confidence to pull it off yet.

>>2098703
Oh my god. Don't shade and render like a printer, working your way down from nearly scratch.
In a new layer underneath your linework, paint the entire figure in midtone. Then identify the points of shadow and the points of light. Apply tones.
Good god man, you're torturing yourself pointlessly.

>>2098705
that wasn't supposed to be greentext sorry

r8

>>2098708
well... i guess i'll let this one pass.
i forgive you for greentexting that post, anon, just make sure i will not happen again

How's my composition, /ic/? I'd like to know what to change right now since it's in early stages, so tell me what things I should tweak please.

I think the little dude isn't on focus enough, how do I improve that?

>>2098707
I tried something like that before and found that I still eventually had to zoom in to do the details like a printer. Although this is taking forever, I feel like I'm getting better results.

>>2098709
The head and the neck are out of proportion. Unless it;is your "style". Otherwise, it's good. It makes me feel good.

>>2098715
you made my day anon
first positive feedback i get on here
:^)

fun with a pencil is cringe worthy as hell
are all loomis books like that?

>>2098714
It's an inefficient method for rendering as you're working on shadow, light, and midtones all at the same time. Literally no other artist works like that, and for good reason. Good art comes from a refinement process of simple to complex, going from big blocky forms with little definition to refined forms with detail. There are lots of parts of the body that should communicate with each other in terms of value. It may produce better results for you right now -- although I'm thinking it's a fluke -- but later on it'll really limit you.

>>2098717
Did you not entertained, Mate?

I attempted Proko's robo beans today, and I still dont have the feel for it. Also I have a problem with drawing too small. Im fine with it being shitty today, I just hope theres some potential in me.

>>2098720
stop it damn it
why does he talk like that
also it makes it ultra difficult for non-native english speakers

>>2098722
Hey anon. Some of them look fine, even good! You're definitely capable of it. Keep in mind that you're practicing SO much other good stuff whilst doing this! You're training your eye to see volumes and angles, you're practicing line control, and you're internalizing the principles of perspective. It's all great for your draftsmanship! Keep at it!

>>2098727
thanks for the encouragement anon. though, it feels wrong getting compliments. I hope when you say some look fine, you're not only referring to the ones copied directly from Proko vid: the ones on the right without numbers. You're right, I do have to keep in mind that im practicing multiple fundamentals at the same time.

>>2098713
Anyone? please?

>>2098735
bumping for this poor lonely fella

>>2098665
Looks wonky to me. You're trying to render anatomical forms that you didn't even know how to place in perspective properly. The result is uncanny.

Got bored of studying so I did a little thumb-like scene from imagination.

>>2098796
Noted. The potbellied chick is the only really odd looking one to me, but provided you have a more skilled eye than myself I can certainly believe you.

>>2098717
>>2098723
It's a book for 9 year olds, written in the 1930's... what did you expect?

>>2096985
This reminds me of Baki.

>>2098829
I dislike how she's leaning away from the monster. Also, the balance of the picture is.. well, off.

>>2098847
Haha, yeah, originally I aimed for confidence in her posture, but it ended up with her looking grossed out to be touching the sea dragon. Agreed, about the balance ... I am shit at composition.

I draw the head, based on Loomis's Fun With A Pencil "Don't Miss This Page" section. How does it fare?
99 y/o.

>>2098855
Hah, she looks like she's about to fall over tbh. Glad you could see it the mistakes. Keep it up.

Is this how 30sec gesture drawings are supposed to look? It's my first try drawing following Vilppu's advice from the 'New Masters Academy' YouTube videos. That nigger makes it look so easy. Also first time getting used to the overhand grip.

pls no bully

>>2098829
Here's what you need to learn, in this order:
1. perspective
2. anatomy (in-depth)
3. proper rendering
4. composition

I've been in pretty much every beginner thread since a few months ago and you've never gotten past these problems.
The biggest problem in this particular painting of yours is its composition. There's nothing interesting going on, and nothing is placed so as to suggest something interesting is going on. It's very bland, just like that "city" you posted a few threads back.
Your composition isn't helped by the very, very muddy rendering. You insist on pushing values without understanding why; you insist on rendering without understanding how. Your current painting style doesn't communicate anything, doesn't emphasize, doesn't come across as even readable.
And this is another problem of yours, you seem to be very afraid of hard edges and hard brushes. You love opacity and flow, but it only sets you back. You also use a lot of stock brushes (I can see the chalk one) to compensate for your inability to use the simpler ones. So, you use texture where you shouldn't.
You called this "seadragonthumb", but nothing says "it's a sea dragon" or "it's a thumb". I do recommend doing thumbnails for composition practice, though.
Then there's the fundamentals you've been neglecting. Your forms are whack. Look at her, you can't tell me you like how she turned out. There's a distinct lack of form and anatomy, but mostly form. And her gesture? Absolutely awful. What is she even doing? Why is that dragon looking at her like "what the fuck is this lady doing here?" It's like he's surprised he's even being painted.
And the perspective of the whole scene? I don't think there's any. What is she even standing on?
Stop trying to paint things until you've got those issues resolved.

They say if you can draw, you can paint, but I've been working on this for days and it's just getting worse.

First exercise where you draw a hand in pencil from the "drawing from the right side of the brain" book. Probably one of the better things I've drawn so far (even though it's not very good. I'm just happy I've made progress from zero to this). Wouldn't mind a little crit on it though. I'm going to keep drawing more until I get a better grasp on what I'm doing :)

>>2098847
>>2098871
Figured I'd go over it once more. Fixed her balancing act to the best of my ability, gave her hair, re-proportioned her body, added a little more 'magic', removed the empty right-side. Still don't care to do anything with the blocky-ass rocks, but hey, it's just for fun anyway.

>>2098935
Ok. There's literally nothing I can do to take art more seriously in a general sense. I spend up to 14 hours a day, 7 days a week drawing and studying, so I really can't please you if you're going to only pick out my non-academic posts to comment on. I all but explicitly stated I was doing this as a 'pick up the pen and draw for fun' non-study type thing. I did it while drinking and tipsy, to illustrate my point. 95% of my day is spent in serious practice, the last 5% I just want to have fun. Critique the shit where I'm actually applying myself if you want to help. Ctrl+f foxdit, I've posted several academic studies.

FYI you're wrong. I only used a hard round brush, one textured brush (the shit on the rocks that I didn't bother doing anything with), and my flow was 100% the entire time. Nor did I use the chalk brush you've mentioned in the past. I called it a thumb 'cause I didn't approach this drawing seriously, and only intended it to be a small image with simple, quick, low-detail rendering.

>>2098963
You don't need crit on the books exercises, just keep doing them until you understand what the book is trying to teach you then move on.

should I finish this? critique/help

>>2098937
"they" are wrong

>>2098970
>getting this defensive over shitty drawing

>>2098970
2 hours of focused study are worth more than 14 hours a day reinforcing bad habits.
I've picked your "academic" posts out for critique multiple times, foxdit. However, it doesn't matter if it is "academic" or not. The same bad traits are there in both kinds of drawings.
Not that you listened to anything except the Dynamic Sketching advice. That was me, too.

Learn to take criticism. As for the last part of your post, fair enough.

Is there anything I can improve here?

>>2099111
Start by resizing the picture

>>2098829
honestly im disappoint.

>>2098713
your dragon thing is in the foreground therefore your man has nothing to worry about as hes not in its aim of fire..

this is mainly due to positioning and how dark the blacks are. id move shit around but ive just woke up.

>>2099130
Took it from my phone and posted it instantly. Does it have to be perfect?

tips pls

>>2099153
loomis anatomy blah blah think that's what youre ment to say cant offer any advice cos that would be spoon feeding you.

I tried to draw few things from life and measured stuff with pen but it looks really bad. Should I still go for it until I get it or work more with perspective?

>>2099150
You can resize it on your phone; people don't want to put up with 1+ mb sketches.

>>2099171
Practicing a lot is rarely a bad thing. It just depends on how you are doing it. You should try and break the thing down into simpler figures and understand how the object is built and so on.
Do you have any pictures?

Okay, I get it. Is there anything I should try working on? (Already finished up the drawing though)

How do I learn to pick right colors? My problem is that most of the time I can see when the color is wrong, but I just can't find the right one. I spent an hour today on picrelated, this is frustrating.

>>2099186
Try to draw the whole body parts on separate paper. It would be cool you know. Like Voltron. Combining each paper make it a whole. After that, we talk about the movie right.

>>2099186
Besides "it's anime shit that only shows your symbol drawing capabilities?" I don't know, nigga.

>>2099195
there's no "the" right color, every single pixel on an object is a different color due to shading, texture, details, variations, etc.

>>2099153

>>2099198
Oo, C'mon. Confess you just jealous because you can't draw animu-shit for shit. If not, why so rude, Anon?

>>2099199
how do I pick colors that look right, autist

>>2099182
I will scan them and show soon. About simple figures, I wanted to draw simply shape of phone (brick like).

Drawing shapes in 3D is hard.

Part 1 of three.

>>2099225
Part 2 of three.

>>2099226
Part 3 of three.

>>2099182
>>2099207
As I promised. I marked stuff I don't like with X and stuff that I think are barely decent with O. Numbers are poses I did.

Just bought a new tablet, old one crapped out when I decided to use it again. Not even close to the level of expertise this thing is capable of handling, but it is amazing at how much easier everything is on this one than the previous one.

Also, I need to study volume in faces and bodies more.

>>2099242
some more

>>2099243
And the last one, first one I made using the thing.

>>2099243
Both of these heads are missing part of their skull; the eyes should be about center between the chin and the top of the head.

Keep up the work though anon!

Is there anyway to help learn drawing besides self studying? I hear how art schools are a joke, and then the art classes I find look like they only teach you how to draw from life: everything you can get from KtD, and dont go into construction, and maybe some basic perspective. So /ic/, does there exist any drawing classes that teach loomis and what not? Im fine with self practicing, but I feel like I can benefit more if I have some type of an instructor.

This is my OC. His name is Anon. Love to comment on shitty drawing from his computer. Even thought he's already 66 years old, he still can't draw for shit. Have been practicing to draw from the age of 16. Anything to add for his back story?

>>2099234
For this type of thing you should learn more about perspective. You should use a ruler when you draw things in perspective like that. Also try to focus on details. You can practice coloring later but that isn't the top priority right now.

What you basically want to do is draw straight lines that match up. I think you got that pretty alright here although the perspective in some of the squares is a bit off. Just by using a ruler things will automatically look more professional too.
Hope it helps.

>>2099271
I will try this, Thanks.

>>2099251
>Is there anyway to help learn drawing besides self studying?

Literally no.

Every art course I've taken, looked into, had friends or professors taken is always 90% self studying anyway.

How the fuck do I into drawing mouths?

I know I've got a lot of problems elsewhere, but mouths seem like the biggest hurdle. Could you guys share tips or links to resources/tutorials?

>>2099228
for fucks sake at least make the sides parallel

>>2099186
Looks ok to me. Take a look to the ear line, the eye balls shading and glasses.
Now try to turn this head, draw other views.

>>2099300
Dang, well at least im not wasting time and money. I just dont get why drawing has to be such a self study subject. I mean, before the internet, I thought people would need figure drawing classes to learn besides books.

how do you start drawing the body? Figuring out the proportions and body shapes and shit or should I look at photos and try to copy the gestures?

>>2099251
You can't, self study will always win out.

You could use an online atelier though, so long as you're willing to do the work you'll get good.

>>2099186
I recommend studying anatomy before delving into stylization. Your pictures will turn out a lot better when you understand the underlying real anatomy behind the anime/manga style.

>>2099324

Here is the thing; 90% of those classes was still sitting, drawing/painting. The 10% being critique but this trade is seriously 98% practice. Classes are good because they give you direction; but that can be found in different places. Professors will typically challenge you more than just doodling at home.

>>2099186
Issues include: tiny chin, misaligned eyes as compared to lower half of face, uneven ears, uneven and overly-vertical collarbones, flat hair.

Overall, the whole picture comes off as extremely flat.

>>2099325
Basic proportions to start with, and then more detailed anatomy and musculature as poses/gestures demand it.

idfk

>>2099326
>online atelier
Ill look into that and see if its worth it
>>2099330
>direction
This is whole reason I would take it. I do put in the work for drawing in self practice. Its just, I have had a terrible experience with direction. I ended up wasting months of practicing so far in my drawing career all because I did not have the proper direction. Seriously, if I had someone like Proko from the start, I could be intermediate level by now.

Yeah, so I would do most of my work outside of class. I just really want proper direction. so i dont ended practicing wrong shit I keep end up doing.

>>2099202 I tried

>>2099324
>I just dont get why drawing has to be such a self study subject.
When you break it right down, it is a (fine) motorskill. It cannot be taught, only learned.

Not coincidently the reason most art instruction falls in to the category of "and now draw the rest of the fucking owl"

>>2099024
>missing the point entirely
>>2099038
I take criticism better than most on this board. the reason I'm piping up about your comments is because I am already studying everything you're saying to study. Like I said, there is literally nothing I can do to please you. You're just going to have to let me work out my newbie problems on my own. Thanks again for Dynamic Sketching.

>>2099406
It's not a fine motorskill. It's a visualization skill.

Following Loomis.
How am I doing? Am I going to make it?

>>2099429
Another one I draw.
Critic pls

>>2099431
Damn wrong one

>>2099409
You shouldn't really talk back anymore. Think what you want, dont try to defend it, just post more work with better perspective, and if its good, you'll get no more critiques about your perspective.

If a teacher tells you to be quiet at school, nothing you say or think will change the matter. All you can do is stop talking.

Congratulations. You pass. Now create 1 head in every angles you can think off.

>>2099435
This isn't school and you're not my teacher. This is a conversation on an internet board. Quit with the holier than thou. I get that you're a more experienced artist but your advice has been disappointingly useless to me for the twice now aforementioned reasons, exception being your suggesting dynamic sketching.

>>2099460
>implying Im him

>>2099460
Dude, can you calm down. I´m just here to get some critic and with your posts nobody will notice my drawings.

So let it go man

>>2099460
That anon wasn't me, actually.

>>2099413
>It's not a fine motorskill. It's a visualization skill.
No amount of visualization is gonna leave a single mark on a piece paper.

>>2099468
Just let it go, Mate. If you still don't realize. THIS-IS-4CHAAAAAAN!
Just draw some more.

>>2099476
It's nice. But if you look at the bottom ball of the dark side, there is still a shade of white/light.

>>2099429
>>2099431
>>2099432
Nicely copied, but you should construct your own.

>>2099313
pls

>>2099475
Why don't we agree you can't draw if you can't see what you're drawing. Hence visual skill. And you also can't draw if you can't move your body part. Hence motor skill.
I never see Steve Wonder drawing before. But if i recalled, i heard about a disabled person (not blind) who could draw with computer tracking system.

>>2099313
The mistakes here are the measuring and rendering. Way too blended, plus values pushed where they shouldn't be.

>>2099497
Here's it's measuring again. Take care when rendering to not leave those lines in, they flatten everything.

>>2099501
Thanks. What are the best ways to practise measuring?

>>2099512
Life drawing. Yeah, I know, scary words. Might even have to get a real pencil and some paper.

It's the best way to practice measuring, though. You see, measuring photos is simple. They're 2D representations on 2D screen. They're also distorted more or less depending on the lens. Real life, though? None of that shit. You want to really learn how to measure, go do it by life drawing.

>>2099500
you cannot see a drawing onto paper. You cannot imagine a drawing onto paper either.

You can get a machine to draw a picture for you. Guess what? Still doesn't mean you can draw.

You wanna learn to draw? Start making marks on paper.

I find loomis
unsettling

>>2099531
Yeah. Guess what?
Thats why both Visual skill & Motoric skill needed

>>2099547
Dudes. Its your drawing that i find unsettling. Don't pet your stroke. Sharpen your pencil.

>>2099547
none of those look finish. Looks flat. And you should tilt the heads more.

>>2099552
You mean no chicken scratch or pencil size? I'd like to make it smaller because I like thin lines, but if I do so in mypaint, I won't be able to track it's position on canvas - cursor becomes too small.

>>2099565
If only I knew how to finish them. I fear making them even worse.

>>2099566
Don't stroke the same line over & over. I never use mypaint. So i can't say anything for that

>>2099568
Face your fear. Even if it making them more worse, nobody gonna die.

R8 my 2-point perspective

>>2099675
6.979. Keep trying, Anon. Fill the void.

>>2099689
Is "fill the void" meant to be taken as "fill the void in your heart caused by the lack of drawing ability" or is it a technical term?

>>2099694
Kek. Why not both.

Well if you see the picture, there is still a lot of empty space (The void in the picture). It feel like the artist to lazy or afraid to draw more construction (The void in the artist heart caused by the lack of drawing ability)

>>2099675
too much distortion/10
Learn how to construct the cone of vision.

>>2099675
Always set the 2 vanishing points very far away, even off paper if you can.

I don't get loomis
He is like "howdy folks draw cicle, attach another circle, show that it is spherical with contour, add two lines, and then DRAW THE REST OF THE FUCKING FUNNY FACE OR PROFESSOR BLOOK WILL PECK YOUR EYES HAR-HAR-HAR"

>>2099741
That's because it's a fucking horrible book for a beginner but /ic/ keep pushing that crap. Loomis is a good artist but not a good teacher. You'll gain much more from Hampton and Vilppu and I can't say this enough in every thread.

>>2099736
I need a bigger ruler

>>2099752
>>2099741
Hampton is not for beginners... If you don't know some basics, you'll find some frustration with construction.

and comments or critique

>>2099770
lmao
Draw some boxes and spheres.

I put some tracing paper over my tablet
wanted to make sure my wobbles weren't due to pen slippage.
they were not.
I traced circles. still shit.
will post image next cos Im not typing shit on my tablet.
eventually I will become the circle master right?

>>2099267
pretty rad

>>2098837
Baki?

>>2099779

Retard here. I'm following the guide and started drawing on the right side of the brain. Stopped in the middle of an exercise to make this post; that is, I cannot honestly understand the instructions in this book. Example here. It simply says "transfer", but how the hell do I do that? I can't draw THROUGH the plastic. I assumed it just meant use the lines as a reference and redraw the hand., but it's expectedly difficult and looks slightly different than the original image because I'm shit at determining the distances between things. This is not the first time I simply had to interpret the instructions, either. I don't even know if posting this will help me any, but I just want to start getting to learn to draw. I'm a retard but I'm a retard that wants to learn to draw.

>>2099783
Tablet is not perfect. Do it on paper with fast stroke or use a program like SAI which has stabilizer.

>>2099788
no stabilizer not cheating.
its not the accuracy of the tablet that's any issue. it can draw perfect curves.
it has to be a balance, just doing it fast wont make it better. it`ll make it smoother but it wil be less accurate in terms of tangent.

>>2099786
in reniccance they would prick holes along lines then rub charcoal.
you could probably press hard with pointy pencil and then connect the dents on the sheet underneath.

Learning to draw for 2 weeks.
This is something from imagination

how to make my drawings look-non cartoonish
i hate it

>>2099796
Ops. Sorry. This is my draw today. My first draw was this, feel weeks ago.

>>2099818
my first draw from feew weeks ago

>>2099762
Any advice on getting construction basics? Will robertson do the trick?

I just want to draw animes.

>>2099831
Try it, I think it's good to start with perspective and learn to draw some shapes.

>>2099818
>>2099829
Like to see people progression here.

I think you are learning anatomy, so pay attention to muscles placement and how they move. Practice more with reference. And keep working your construction and proportion.

>doing Keys to Drawing
>no green pepper around the house
Apple it is.

i drew nother thing b4 bed
thread is kill

>>2099818
>>2099829
The proportion is good. Keep learning the proportion & the anatomy. Don't bother to learn drawing the face yet. Just use the cross line for the face to mark the middle and the eyebrow position on the head.

>>2099844
>>2099915
Thanks Anons

For a beginner what's the best way to start?
what should I draw and what should I focuses on?

>>2099915
The glasses are there cuz I can't draw the face, but you r right i'll focus in the construction fist.
Thanks again anon :)

>>2099961
I think there are 3 common chooseable starting point.
1.Perspective: Draw box, con, & other geometrical form in accordance with the perspective you learn
2.Face/head
3.Anatomy & proportion

Focus on one of them. like 70% for the anatomy, 25% for perspective, 4.99996777% for faces.

But i could be wrong. Just draw circle over & over, Anon.

>>2099741
You cannot be this retarded.

>>2099552
>Thats why both Visual skill & Motoric skill needed
Guess what? Not fucking relevant to the point that was made. Go fuck yourself.

>>2099186
his eyes dont look /ic/ enough

GET IT?

I LITERALLY JUST MADE THE GREATEST FUCKING JOKE IN EXISTENCE.

>>2100000

>>2099894
no reply.. never any reply

>>2100171

>>2100171

>>2100171

NEW THREAD

>>2098867
>99 y/o
wut

i think it looks good anon. keep at it!

>>2099999
sweet quints m8

>>2096304
>>2097743

Not gonna lie, I'm kind of proud of my progress. How do I go about putting in correct values? I tried and it looks horrible.

Any feedback is appreciated.

>>2099894
Looks okay I guess, you lost the shape of the head and the brow line, you made it look more flat. The eyes in yours are too big also, unless that's intentional. Also the other side of the mouth should also make an arc, not a straight line down. Back of the head is too small I think

>>2100393
yes I see faults now thanks

>>2099966
I really want to learn how to draw but I just don't know were to start I guess I could try the geometrical forms and Anatomy/proportion.
Apart from this place do you guys know any good site that can help with beginner's?

I was recommended this book a long time ago here. I finally looked into it. I was such a fool. Why did I look into so late!!

I'm sorry /ic/... I should have listened.

not sure if anyone remembers me, but i posted the first pic a few months ago idk. because of final exams i cant draw as much as i want to, but im pretty happy with my progress with faces so far. of course the two faces don't belong to the same character.