/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Playing vidya is degenerate.

>>2092679
>>tfw I almost made a whole month without skipping an entire day of drawing
It's okay to take an occasional day off from drawing. Don't let the 1 missed day prevent you from drawing the next day.

>>2092686
Everything that comes out of /v/ is pure degeneracy, otherwise videogames are just a waste of time

>>2092687
You see this, /ic/? This is what people that aren't going to make it say.

>>2092687
Will keep that in mind, thank you.

>>2092679
Nothing is wrong with playing video games. The stipulation about it is false, you need to not play for 4-5 hours. Plsy video games like 30mins or an hour. Just remember when you are not playing don't think about what you can do in the game, think about what you are doing now.

>>2092699
Witcher is one of those games were 30 min's will only get you a few miles in the game...
Hence 20 hours and Ive still only started
(I see your point though)

>Mfw my interest in vidya was waning before getting into art

>Mfw art totally killed it

>>2092703
Your in your 30's, of course you're not as interested in video games as us youngsters!
Jokes aside I find myself getting lost and spending too many hours playing in one sitting, I can't help it, it's addicting.

I still play vidya, but I've become a lot more selective what games to play. I only play single player games, and only the select few best of the year. This helps with visual library building, while not eating too many hours. Also if you are learning perspective, taking lots of screen shots and then drawing them is a good idea.

>>2092679
But it's my job.

>>2092714

Art can also be very addicting. If you give it a fair chance perhaps you will realize that creation can become even more enticing and fulfilling than consumption.

Sorry I didn't want to come off as pedantic but realizing how different the act of creation feels from mere consumption is what made be drop whatever interest I had in gaming and pursuit art in the way I do now.

Btw don't diss guys in their 30s I have this coworker who makes me order him every new release from NIS america (even the anime ones) and other two thirty something guys who still game like it was '99

>>2092679
haven't really played video games in a couple years, pretty glad about that. I'm one of those faggots that hate hobbies that are just for entertainment.

>>2092686
Everyone with sense knows that the computer games are evil.

>>2092714

that's the thing though, the average gamer is now nearly 40 years old

> tfw haven't played any vidya since I was 18

I don't feel so bad because it got me into art/music because I wanted to make my own games, but I'm really glad I grew out

i clock 70 hours per week in photoshop regularly, and have been doing so for about a year. i also play tons of dota though. it's all about putting friends and family last, and embracing the bum life.

basically you can pick two of these:
- regular vidya
- efficient artgains
- social life

if you have a dayjob, you get to pick one of these:
- regular vidya
- social life
- minuscule artgains

>>2092751
Im sorry anon, but are you smoking fucking crack.

Im only the young naive age of 19. but I got to grow up and see this industry die in front of me, Producers and there greed for money have absolutely killed this industry or any integrity it had, All modern games are just a absolute hamfisted attempt at making a "epic" "climatic" "experience" with day 1 dlcs and a gigantic emphasis on preorders

There are games released now that don't even have the content there marketed to have.

>>2092758
70 hours per week in photoshop means 10 hours per day on average. How the fuck can you then play regular vidya still? That must mean you are sitting in front of a computer screen for what, 14-16 hours? Then you go to sleep and do the same thing the next day? Dude, if you want to make art a long term career, you NEED to have an outlet away from the monitor. Cut away at least 2 hours of vidya with working out or going for a walk or whatever.

silly anon, you have to play a thousand hours of tf2 to get good at art, just ask olly

>>2092761
>see this industry die in front of me

Games industry has absolutely exploded and is still in a steady rise. I'd agree with the notion that products became noticeably more 'commercial' as a result of that, sort of like big budget movies being cut, censored and rewritten in order to pull the maximum viewers for a maximum investment return. But that's hardly the industry as a whole.

>>2092679
You're a fucking retard if that's your reasoning. If you can only work by ignoring everything else in your life, then you're going to fail regardless.
If you want to become good at something you need to be able to dedicate yourself to it, without ignoring every other aspect of your life. It's about finding a balance.
Doing non-art related stuff also gives you a wider horizon, new impressions and helps keep you mentally stable.

>>2092758
are you me?
>tfw haven't left the house in over a week.
>last human contact feels like ages ago
>living alone so not even parents
>no online friends
>play Dark Souls/ GTA Online and paint all day
s-send help, pls

>>2092896
How do you financially sustain yourself? If you have ebough money you should get a dog. Companonship and having a dog forces you to get out of the house several times a day and makes you exercise as well.

>>2092904

I own a property so I just have to pay for electricity and food, which isn't too much. I'm technically a student (even though i rarely go to university) so I get paid 400ish bucks a month to study, which is enough for my poorfag lifestyle.
Getting a dog actually isn't a bad idea, I'm just worried if I could pay expensive pet bills and stuff.
thanks for the advice anon

>Manage to do 2-3h a day aside from art school 9.00-16.00 (school time)
>download Pillars of eternity
>decide to allocate all free time to finish playing it, so I can focus on drawing and not be distracted by the game later
>After finishing game, mentality and discipline have degraded
>Decide to draw when I feel like it
>End up watching series and other shit, draw on some days, other days do nothing
>Exams coming up on artschool
>Decide to download Banner Saga and Witcher 3
>Decide to focus on art when exams are finished
>Manage to finish all school related stuff, still quite a bit of free time, mostly wasted.
>Got a D because sleep schedule was fucked and half assed some parts, hoping to get away with a C
>Finish Banner saga
>Find out Witchers fps is shit on my current system, unplayable
Talk about a downward slope, I get that false confidence in myself and then old habits/mindset kicks in and suddenly Ive gone for 2 months without a finished illustration.

>>2092695
So is art

>>2092679
you can do both, one feeds the other if you play a video game which requires a bit of dexterity and thought. if it's a pure time waster then it'll purely waste time. but otherwise it's good for the brain.

>>2092927
Maybe for frustrated shitters like yourself. Art tends to be quite a fulfilling hobby or profession for those who are good at it and have passion.

>>2092907
please dont get a dog if it means you will have to get rid of him as soon as he gets a little bit sick one day because you can't actually afford it

The only vidya I bother playing is fightan. Most of the main friends I have were made through playing fightan. Outside of that I don't really play vidya as much as I do just buy the artbooks for vidya that I like and take inspiration from.

Well I've found that the past couple years, and especially in 2015, video games is just a maximum pleb hobby to have. I've mostly dropped it. I'll play a couple games a year if they're really good or if I missed something old, but for the most part the industry is casualized normie shit.

There are just so many better hobbies to get into, and the difference between getting into hobbies where you just consume vs create, can really make a difference in your life.

>>2092679
I started taking art seriously at a recent date and I'm in the process of deleting every game that distracts me for more than one hour a day. So far I've deleted like 6 games. The only one I won't quit is hellmoo. Game's too unique to abandon it just like that.

>>2092679
sage

Because I simply came here to make fun of you

> WAAAAH HEWP GAIS I DON'T HAVE ANY SEWF CONTWOL! SINCE I DON'T HAVE ANY NO ONE ELSE DOES! I MUST WARN EVERYONE THAT I'M A GIANT WETAWD

>>2092679
CONSUMERISM IS SLOTH
Making it(producing) is making it(art gains)

>>2092967
>Being this Autisticly butt flustered
>Baiting this hard
>Sageing a thread when it already has 25 replies

Calm down you yeast infected cunt, it's just a thread about how games can be more trouble then they're worth. Of course others can enjoy both gaming and artistic hobbies.
Take your bait elsewhere

>>2092697
/fit/ please go

>>2092919
Jesus, man. That's why I vowed to never play vidya again. I'm like an addict. I've held it in completely for 2 months now but I fear that even a few minutes of gaming will relapse my shit

>>2092919
>downloading games
>school
Get out

>>2092944
You need to stop that try hard "I'm an ahtweest" attitude. It's fucking embarrassing.

I tend to only play games on my 3DS as there more designed for shorter play times so i dont sink so much potention arting time into it

I did the worst thing possible.

I started playing vanilla WoW, after not having played it since 2005. I had to scratch that itch, so I dove right in.

There's a newish private server right now that's booming. It's called Nostalrius, and it's a very populated vanilla server. It's amazing, and it's the closest thing you'll ever get to that vanilla feeling again.

But then again, this shit is addicting and destructive. It takes up way too much of my time, and I need to stop. I've also picked up Dark Souls 2: SOTFS, and am having a blast with it.

I need to stop. I need to get my freelancing career together. I've got several opportunities right now, but I need even more.

Break days are fucking important. Don't feel bad.

Also, don't listen to these meme goblins who say that you should be drawing whenever you get the chance. It's a quick way to bore yourself to the point where it feels more like a chore rather than something that you want to do.

>>2093065
But you should at least find some time to at least sketch for fun once a day. Something to keep the gears greased.

>>2093055
thanks to you I'm downloading it right now

asshole

>>2092679
B-but I play vidya at work every week
>Game Asset Artist

>>2093073
I was secretly hoping someone would.

Despite my post, I don't think I'll keep playing it. The grind is just too much.

4chan is a much bigger poison than video games and you all know it.

Once I have drawn 10 hours a day the whole week and I totally wasted it. Now I put at least an hour aside to create better learning strategies.

>>2093077
This and this alone

>>2092882
I have nearly 3000 hours in tf2

im going to make it

>>2093077
fuck, this. I've limited myself to just /ic/, but it's still so goddamn bad. like right fucking now.

>>2093077
I can't escape it. I don't know what to do without it.

>>2093124
>>2093111
>>2093085
Not even gonna say that you're not gonna make it. You can do whatever else you want as long as you put sufficient time into art.

I lost a month last year when ArcheAge came out. Don't worry OP. Just enjoy your month off and come back once the "I should be working right now" feeling becomes too much.

>>2092679
>mfw I have the same fucking problem with anime and movies in general.
Why do I have no will power?

I feel kind of sad that I've lost interest in gaming. I used to be so addicted and it was a huge inspiration to me, I'm only 21 now but my interest has gone. I don't think it's anything to do with art because I've always done that. Maybe I've grown out of it? Even when I sit down to play my favorite games now I get bored and stop playing in a few hours and never return to them.

>>2092907
do NOT get the dog or any pet animal. they will require your attention and you won't be able to provide it to them if you are busy on computer. your pet will be absolutely miserable by itself, so either 0 pets or 2+ so they can play with each other.

>>2093139

You weren't really into anime and gaming. They were easy to access time wasters for you, which art has replaced. And your art will get displaced by whatever you want to waste your time on.

I think it's just the wall between creation and consumption. Art can be as fun and as bad as consumption but if it becomes bad we can't simply switch the product, we either break trough it or give up. It's just as fun if you're rally immersed in it because of various factors, but there is also all the bad shit too we need to bear too.

Watch the fuck out man. I just got lost in games and such for about a 4 month stretch going from improving my art drastically and having fans to not even drawing once in 4 months. Now that I am bored with the other shit and I want to get back into art I am finding it incredibly hard to get started again. I tried drawing the other day and it was a terrible experience. Everything I learned I feel like I lost. Now I'm just browsing /ic/ again trying to meld my mind back into an artist mindset. I now it's as easy as just fucking doing it, but I don't have ideas to draw, I don't know where I want to start, and I have so many doubts. It's weird. Just watch out! Don't become like me!

>>2093076
Yea, I just tried it, and I realized I don't have the same patience as I did when I was playing retail vanilla. Retail seems pretty fast paced and themeparkish now, so maybe I'll give it a go.

>>2093173
One exercise that helps is drawing in my head. Just picking some theme, maybe even some game and draw some fanart. At the end nothing really helps but getting into the habit again though.

>>2093187
Yeah, when I was drawing everyday I was the happiest I've ever been in my life. Then I get stuck in games and shit again and looking back I don't remember being really happy for a single day. Every day, play games mindlessly, lie to myself that I'm enjoying it, argue with little kids about how much they suck or I suck, or how fat our moms are. I regret every single fucking day. When I was drawing, I was looking forward to every single day. I just don't understand myself sometimes.

>>2093195
That's why it's retarded to say talent doesn't matter. Working hard is also a talent.

>>2093152
>You weren't really into anime and gaming.
So books, movies, anime, comics, games, social life and other hobbies are waste of time? Are you workaholic or plant?

Life's short.

>>2093240
Not a bad thing.

>>2093240
exactly. i would regret it if i didn't enjoy it playing games.

because otherwise i could end up a psychopath killer or a rapist and ruin my life by going to jail or die very young. i think i chose wisely.

>>2093249
Then kill yourself, you dumb nerd.

I'll be over here living as a cyborg with jetpack boots

>>2093254
You're saying that now. Now in flesh and blood and still young. Seriously, thinking about live and dead is the most retarded thing ever because it's the one thing you can't do anything about. Living an enjoyable life is just there to distract you from those thoughts.

>>2093236

You didn't get it. You didn't enjoy it, it wasn't a passion for you. You did it cause you had the time and vidya, anime, and movies are some of the easiest shit to pirate today.

If you actually had a passion for it this wouldn't be a problem.

>>2093267
>You didn't enjoy it
projecting hard m8.

>>2093271

I've seen this shit happen with my friends and people I've hung out with over the years. You get people who do this shit because it's part of your identity, and once you start drifting away from what you thought you liked it becomes a big deal. It's like you're losing your identity.

At least you play video games.

>tfw I used to spend 4 - 5 hours every day watching other people play video games

Thank god I got over that.

>>2092882
fuck you

Video games are literally the best inspiration ever. You can enter in all kinds of worlds, being fully immersed in visuals and music. Partly making your own stories and having a note of creativity in your playing. If you're kind of the enthusiast that plays every genre and every kind of game as long it's good than it's full on creative training.

Of course by itself it isn't much. You need to at least learn some method to express what you learned.

>>2092679

what I don't understand is how can you plebs be so retarded?

truth is, you got 24 hours in a day, average person needs 6 hours sleep.

So that 18 hours a day of possible doing stuff.

if you have college/school/work that'll be 10 hours a day.

Spend 6-7 hours doing art and 3-4 hours vidya you fucking cock stains that don't wake up early enough.

Get a damn schedule and you'll be able to do whatever you want and not feel guilty. Stop the procrastinating as well fag.

if you dont work and you're a bum living off your family, then you got 18 hours of getting shit done nigger, thats 10 hours of art and 8 hours of games shits cash just gotta wake up early and not be a fag about it.

>in illustration class
>classmates can't come up with original ideas
>some guy gets a wizard/magic project and he draws a hand shooting a ball of light while I'm at the other table thinking about elder scrolls and dragon quest, etc. inspired things

>>2093309
>Video games are literally the best inspiration ever.

These people from the new generations will never know how much better for inspiration good old fashioned books are than their vidya games.

To each their own.

>>2093309
>literally the best inspiration ever

do you write articles for Cracked, by any chance?

>>2093311
No one can live like a machine. There are tons of little time wasters a day. Also many people have some personal problems. For me there are tons of sleeping problems. Sometimes if I can't calm my mind I need hours to finally fall asleep.

>>2093308

woah calm down olly he wasn't trying to insult you!

>>2093321
Books are for cucks. You have only your current visual library to work with while with video games you get tons of new input.

>>2093311
>truth is, you got 24 hours in a day, average person needs 6 hours sleep.

8 hours of sleep is idea. Leaving 16 hours.
10 hours for work or school, alright, I'll buy that.
So 6 hours remaining.
Now, you're forgetting grey areas like
-Shopping for supplies, paying bills, talking with friends or family
-Shitting and pissing
-Shower, brushing teeth, cleanliness
-Cleaning house, doing chores, mowing lawn, etc
-Eating, preparing food, cleaning up after eating
-Commute time or just general travel time, etc

There's a lot more to a day than just
-Wake
-Job
-Draw
-Sleep

It is never that simple. There's always time that isn't accounted for in a day that is spent doing other things.

>>2093326
Maybe for someone with a shitty imagination. Or for toddlers. Many of the best artist get a lot of their inspiration from books. Ever read the hobbit? If so, did all the areas you imagined look like places you've seen, and did all the characters/hobbits look like your friends and family? If so, you have shit for brains.

>>2093327

order online faggot

live with your parents
free food
free cleaning

fucking buy a teleporter

>>2093327
Forgive him, he's just a kid and his parents do all the shit for him!

>>2093327
10 hours for work or school?

>>2093329
I read tons of books as a child and as a teen. Imagination is a low level skill. Everyone who isn't autistic and grew up with fiction has at least a good one.

>>2093330
>live with your parents
>free anything
No.

>>2093330
parents would get real tired of your shit, especially if you don't contribute
>>2093321
most of my inspiration comes from music and I wouldn't have it any other way

>>2092758
This is the truest post in this thread.

>no friends for almost two years
>improved the most in that time than any other time in my life
>play plenty of vidya most of the time I'm not drawing or sleeping
>pretty much the only human contact I get is from my family which I live with, and an acquaintance at school

I only go to school for three hours a day(two classes), and in one of the classes I never have any work to do so I just play more vidya.
I want to get a part-time job though, because I'm trying to save up money and allowance and commissions only bring in so much.

But I'm just getting back into video games after all these years. The last console I owned was a ps2. I'm behind 2 generations.

>>2093359
>bragging
nigga, the fuck? last console i had was playstation and dreamcast, but even i realize there are people who never owned a console in their life.
you're like those annoying teens who complain about being virgins at 18. i'm not about to reveal how old i am, but there are people with much much worse fates than you, living in africa, india, you name it, born with chronic diseases and uncurable diseases, hell even homeless on the streets got it worse than you, so you've got no room to complain about your little problems.
you little shit faggot cunts make me so mad!

>>2093327
Sounds like my life except I trade my sleep for more video games and drawing

>>2093367
same

>>2093365
>pulling the Africa card

What if when you die you reincarnate into an African child only to die 3 times over depending on your last life before you reborn in a first world country? You never know if that African boy was a serial killer in his last life, that's why I never feel sorry...he must atone for his sins.

Also homeless people are homeless for a reason, for if not they could just get jobs.

>>2093365
is this copypasta?

>>2093372
you wish. words came straight from my lamenting heart.

>>2093077
I actually downloaded cold turkey to keep me off of 4chan.
After a week I uninstalled it.

If there's one thing in life I could change it would be me never finding 4chan.

>I would keep pieces /ic/ and /co/ tho

>Play video games
>Watch movies, TV shows, anime
>Read books
>Still have plenty of time to draw

You niggers need to learn how to control yourselves. I bet most of you are just lazy shits.

>>2093459
fat chance, lazy people are a rarity

god these captchas are making me hungry

>>2093459
This statements are worth shit without more detail. I watch a movie half a year, am I classified as someone who watches movies? Probably yes.

>>2092679
Set a timer. So u dont get lost playing over houres and houres. The game doesnt run away.

>>2093465
Look at all these nerds blaming on anything other than themselves for not drawing, when they probably spend their entire day on 4chan anyway.

I watch speedruns.

.....Playing video games is what makes me wanna get good at art....

>>2093557
That's a very sad thing, and unfortunately it's seems to be a lot of people these days. Instead of being inspired by the masters before them they're inspired by the repetitive junk that's sold in bulk by video game companies and unimaginative fantasy illustrators. And so art has become nothing more than a means to create the next bad ass super marine fighting some generic monster from Hell, rather than a means to study and depict the life around them.

>>2093563
Yeah, because all video games are just about space marines and monsters from hell. And, since when you get to define for the rest of us what art is or isn't, or is supposed to be, eh?

>>2093425
this

I have this firefox extention but I always ended up deactivating it anyway

gotta get that ghandi-tier discipline

>>2093563
grandpa pls, it doesn't matter where one gets their inspiration

>>2093459
>doesn't work
>calls other people lazy

>>2093579
>doesn't work
>calls whites privileged

Sounds like black america.

>>2093563
The old masters are only for fundamental studies because they have usually mastered all fundamentals in their paintings. What you want to make with those fundamentals is totally irrelevant.

>>2092919
I really hope they optimize it in the near weeks. I literally have to play it on a cuck resolution.

Video games really are all around awful. They're blatant money grabs with minimal artistic merit, the community is downright toxic and they're massive time sinks.

>>2093605
>blatant money grabs
free if you know where to get it or if you don't get baited by cash shops
>the community is downright toxic
just like art community
>massive time sinks
just like art, unless you're someone famous or especially talented

>>2093606
>or especially talented
>talented
Talent is not what makes someone good at art, only studies and milage.

/ic/ or generally artists are nowhere near as bad as /v/ or the gaming community, their reputation exceeds them.

When it comes to skills and hobbies it's all a matter of perspective. In the end everything is useless or everything is useful. Personally I think I have gained much over the years from playing video games. Eventually art became the greatest passion as art as a skill stands in the real of ultimate difficulty. It's endless and will never stop being interesting as there is endless content. There are no rules, there is no path, there is just you and this goal and you need to find the way from scratch with advice that only reveals its truthfulness and real meaning only after you came to the same realization trough you very own.

>>2093605
>>2093612
>Being this fucking disrespectful of your fellow artists

Die in a fire

>>2093828
>Being this fucking disrespectful of your fellow artists?!?!

The fug are you talking about? We were bashing gamers not artists. Or is it because I called you out? If so take it with salt to an open wound you thin skinned child.

>>2092679
The problem isn't video games, it's a lack of self-discipline and control. I play about 12ish hours a week.

>>2093077
This. I hate /ic/ and /a/ so much.

>>2092703
Same here.

I started to loose interest and then I began drawing again, sometime after that I wanted to play some Souls but Steam™ fucked me over and now it's like I deleted it(even if I wanted to, I could not play).

My life is happier.
I also sold my 3Ds for a wacom int s, but now I rarely use it, basically only do traditional

Pic related, my latest that I'm proud of

>>2093311
>average person needs 6 hours sleep
that's fucking retarded, you can't keep functioning with 6 hours of sleep

Now what you can do is sleep 8 hours a day, which leaves you with 16 hours.

If you work a shitty making ends meet job then that leaves you with 8-10 hours left in the day.

So you can split those 4-4 hours between arting and vidya so you're unto something.

But there's still factors in people's lives that go unaccounted for such as travel, eating, shitting, shopping, etc.

>>2093309
Movies, Anime and fashion photography books/magazines are goat inspo, get the fuck out with vidya, I never paused the game and thought" Wow imma paint this now!" It's a waste of time and a bad one at that, it takes the life out of you.

Pianist here who is looking into drawing.

I think the trick to getting good at art is to practice all throughout the day, but in short periods. Instead of dedicating 3 hours to solely drawing, practice in 30 minute chunks through the day. Or sometimes dont even practice, just doodle for fun.

I used to be a very scheduled person, playing piano at certain times of the day. But this created barriers in my mind, and I couldnt stand playing piano outside of my normal time. Im trying to break out of these self-imposed restrictions right now.

Ya'll gonna be playin them games when VR comes out anyway. It'll help with getting better vivid dreams; it's like a lucid dream machine.

>>2094276

You can make some serious improvements with 4 hours of drawing a day. Hell, just 2-3 hours a day is enough to get pretty fucking good.

If you aren't making much headway then it's probably more to do with a shitty learning process than not spending enough time with it. It could be shit like you're not focusing on the right subjects, you're not thinking critically about your drawing and study, you have a fucked mentality that's holding you back from making improvements, you haven't found a good mix of study and drawing that works right for you, etc.

Like what helped me out is realizing that not everything your pen touches needs to be a finished masterpiece. You can learn a lot more with, for example, 6 10 minute pieces than with one full hour piece. Only spend a long time on the pieces you want to finish, whether if it's a still life or your OC Donut Steels.

>tfw I almost made a whole month without skipping an entire day of drawing

an entire day of drawing for 30 days? bullshit, this isn't even productive, what did you even do? post your work

>>2094290
I think you should try to create beauty, that is the best way to always strive for improvement.

>>2093055
fuck you anon for mentioning this, now I really feel like going on a WoW nostalgia trip

>>2093055
Are you me!?

>have that same itch
>lurk /vg/
>find Nost thread
>fuck yeah vanilla WoW
>install and commence ignoring art/social/everything else cause "can't wait to get to 60." "This journey is tough but fuck it it's fun" "imma be an awesome tank at 60"
>get to level 20
>/played 45 hours
>whathaveidone.jpg
I uninstalled that shit so fast.

>>2094280
>Anime

>>2094393

you have 10 seconds to explain your irrational hate for anime

>>2094398
It was just funny that guy shitting on video games and coming up with anime, the most possible generic shit you could find.

>>2094398

>you have 10 seconds to explain your irrational hate for anime

It's in the same creatively bankrupt hole videogames is in and in japan, it's gotten so bad that they are basically one in the same now. Look at shit like Senran and Neptunia. Cookie cutter generic anime garbage everyone. Anime and gaming otaku are nearly one in the same in Japan. Shit taste everywhere.

The problem with faggots like you are that you pretend the well when it comes to anime, movies, and books isn't littered with shit too, when it is, Loads of it.

>>2094419

>Shit taste everywhere.

So your only argument is that you consider anime to be bad taste?

Anime has a lot of shit but also many great films/series

>>2094419

It's your fault for wanting to get into the creatively bankrupt cash grabs when there some beautiful, wonderfully made shit out there. It's like saying movies are just as bad because of Michael Bay shit and because of terrible shit like Meet the Spartans.

nah

>>2094427

hi there Mike Azevedo

>>2094426
He is right though. You can't compare it with movies because movies get produced world wide while anime is made merely by the same filth weebs over and over. Like 90% every season is just copy pasta, 7% of original shit is just shit and the rest is between ok and good and every millennium there is something great.

>>2094425
Fuck off, the anime industry is shit. They will be the last to ever take a risk seeing how the production will be always expensive as fuck. By default that makes them the least artistic and the most generic, taking inspiration from anime is like being a braindead faggot.

Movies, books and games can be produced cheaply. Some of the greater stuff in movies is even low budget and there are lot of artistic indie games.

>>2094426

The point is that it's current state is creatively bankrupt, PERIOD. Movies, Games, Anime, they are all in a shit hole when it comes to producing content worth a shit.

Exceptions don't make the fucking rule. Trash is everywhere.

>>2094444
>The point is that it's current state is creatively bankrupt
And who is at fault?
It all goes back to the artist.

>>2094276
>that's fucking retarded, you can't keep functioning with 6 hours of sleep
Have you ever been to college? Lots of people are lucky if they can get 6 hours.

Also it depends on the person. There's some dude that hasn't slept for 35 years or some shit.

>>2094368
I like that.

It is so easy with music to get stuck into mechanical exercises. I think the trick is to make those exercises sound like real music.

>>2094441
I'm glad the industry is shit so people like you can stay away and not taint it with cancer script.

I didn't realize so many people on /ic/ were so proud of their ignorance

>>2094451
The most retarded post of the day goes to some weeb faggot. Very surprising.

>>2094431
>>2094441
>>2094444

If y'all don't like anime, movies, and/or video games then don't watch them and don't use them as inspiration. Simple as that, no one is forcing you to like things. Just don't go into "my opinions are facts" sperging because someone likes what you don't like.

>>2094455
Fuck you. Everything you like is trash, and I'm always right. Fuck you for not being like me.

>>2094455
It's always weebs starting those arguments and claiming superiority for their shit tier stuff. They will never shut the fuck up about anime.

>>2094460
Look at where you are

>>2094462
The art board. Literally the place where anime doesn't belong at all.

>>2094464
Have you ever been slapped for being an obnoxious moron?

>>2094460

>anime is good!
>no it's not!

>>2094467
Well, I trashed some weeb faggots in highschool if that counts.

>>2094470
Damn, you're badass

>>2094472
Arigatou, weeb-chan.

>>2094455
>defending the taste of otaku

Cancer incarnate.

Otaku are the death of creativity in eastern gaming.

Hollywood is the death of creativity in western gaming.

>>2094476
Who are you talking to?

>>2094402
Fuck off, that's like saying film is the most generic stuff, anime is a medium, not a fucking genre.

The majority of anime related stuff is obvious weeb garbage but there is some merit and there are people in the business trying to create art, much like modern movies, modern art and fashion.

>>2094481
>anime is a medium, not a fucking genre
Haha, you fucking retard. Anime is most definitely not a medium, animation is. Anime is a genre.

>>2094484
Anime is not a genre, anime is literally the japanese short for animation, anime are animated movies, it's not "cartoons" where everything is basically for children, it's very diverse too, of course you refer to the otaku waifu garbage, but that does not make your shitty opinion a fact, anime is not a genre.

>>2094493
Look it up, anime is a genre. Again, animation is the medium. If you don't know what the fuck a medium is than stop writing you retard. In japan anime literally stands for cartoon and not animation you fucking retard. God, I fucking hate talking with you retards. You don't even know anything at all of the shit you fap to daily and invest lots of hours in.

>>2094500
From wikipedia:

Anime (Japanese: アニメ?, [anʲime]) is a term used to refer to Japanese animated productions featuring hand-drawn or computer animation. The word is the abbreviated pronunciation of "animation" in Japanese, where this term references all animation. The meaning of the word anime can vary slightly, definitions include animation from Japan or, alternatively, a Japanese-disseminated animation style often characterized by colorful graphics, vibrant characters and fantastic themes.Arguably, the stylization approach to the meaning may open up the possibility of anime produced in countries other than Japan. For simplicity, many Westerners strictly view anime as an animation product from Japan. Some scholars suggest defining anime as specifically or quintessentially Japanese may be related to a new form of orientalism.

Eat shit faggot

Drawing is shit job and hobby.

>>2094504
Why did you try to prove you filthy faggot? The name comes from animation, doesn't change anything what I said. To begin with, a medium could never be exclusive to one fucking country.

>>2094430
>Mike Azevedo
Hi

>>2094444
>4x4
hear, hear! the quads of truth has spoken!

>>2094512
So right now you're making your first argument seem redundant because you just denied that anime is a genre, by saying that it's just animation and a medium cannot be exclusive to one country- guess what retard, anime refers to every animated movie/series, be it Disney or the simpsons, it's all anime for japs.

>>2094526
You're grasping at straws right now and you can't even deny it because the posts will be there even if you delete them. So let me make it clear, we were both talking about anime, japanese cartoons from the very beginning. Somewhere in the argument you brought in the japanese word for animation which is also animation or in short anime, which is not relevant at all to the argument. It confused me at first because I could never imagine that a retard exists that brings in the completely different definition of a word that is not relevant at all because we were literally talking about the cartoons from the very first post and it was perfectly clear for both parties what was the argument about.

So not only did you confirm once and for all that you're the biggest retard on this board right now but you also disregarded all your posts by being such a fucking scumbag to just change whatever the argument is about and pitifully throw some other shit in to have some ground.

>>2094513

Are you Mike Azevedo for real??? proof, sketch something in 5 minutes, we'll be able to tell

I love how this thread shifted from neckbeard euphoria over not playing vidya to sperging out about the meaning behind anime.

Never change /ic/. Now I gotta get back to my art.

>>2094547
>Now I gotta get back to my art
Sure you will. See you in the next shitposting thread.

>>2094512
>>2094484
>>2094500
don't argue based on a stereotype in your head you peas for brains.
"anime" for us in the western folks refers to japanese animation, and that's all it is. and i doubt you know enough about it to make any statements.

it's like saying that russian literature is a genre. that's not how a genre is defined.

>>2094538

>So not only did you confirm once and for all that you're the biggest retard on this board right now

I love the way /ic/ talks about art

>>2094549

It's easy to keep up with the ebin funposting :^):^):^) threads and work on your art. If you get stuck and need a quick minute break you troll some niggas and get back to your art. /ic/ is slow enough that it'll take anywhere from 5 to 20 minutes for a reply.

>>2094554
Except that anime developed distinct features which allowed the classification to begin with.
>"anime" for us in the western folks refers to japanese animation
When we refer to anime we refer to japanese cartoons, not any other form of japanese animation.

Additionally, comparing it to russian literature, makes you another retard. Congratulations.

I never saw anyone shut so many weeb faggots up. The hero /ic/ needs.

>>2094481

>Anime is a medium, not a fucking genre

>>2094578
These guys were just plain retards. Anyone could have fucked them up. I also watch anime, I'm just threatening it like anything else I consume and don't give it any special status because in reality it's shittier than most other things for the reasons I named. Most important one being that it's so restrictive, that only one country produces them and they're so expensive to make says all about the freedom and variety it has to offer.

>>2094561
>When we refer to anime we refer to japanese cartoons, not any other form of japanese animation.
see, you are wrong. every form of animation made in japan is called anime. (as the other anon mentioned, in japan itself even western animation is called anime, but that's not relevant here)
and you're still not getting it. calling others retards doesn't make your points any better.

>Except that anime developed distinct features which allowed the classification to begin with.
no, YOU classify anime by certain "distinct features". because you don't actually know anything about it.
there is a reason i used russian literature as a comparison here. because "russian literature" by itself is not a genre. in the same way, "japanese animation" is also not a genre.

only a fucking retard who stereotypes all of russian literature would call it a genre.
and that's essentially you right now.

>>2094581
that depends on where you're looking form.
for us, anime is animation specific to japan. in japan, anime is actually the medium animation itslf. so that anon wasn't wrong.

>>2094538
What the fuck are you on about? You denied that anime is a medium, to which I replied that it is in fact an artistic medium, and that anime as a whole stands for animated movies, I don't know why you're in denial so much.

Anime is and was a medium and your pathetic replies and strawmen arguments are useless, as you stated, ignorantly and cunty as a fedora tipping anime hater that you are
>anime is a genre

I proved you wrong and yet you try to make me seem to be stupid one, fucking hilarious, go back to your Loomis and learn how to not make yourself seem even more retarded than you are already.

Faggot

Anime, literally the Japanese loan word for animation. There is no debating this. It literally is how it is. Like it or not.

>>2094595
>see, you are wrong. every form of animation made in japan is called anime
Anime is the japanese word for animation, it doesn't matter and has nothing to do with what we westeners refere to when mentioning anime. It was never relevant in the argument, it was just something you faggot could mention to not get fucked up further but it backfired.
>>2094597
Didn't expect to see real weeaboos. Not the general anime junker, real fucking guys that wish to be japanese and refer to anime as they are japanese. Holy fucking shit.

>>2094593
I don't give it any special status either, I simply claimed to get inspiration from it you buttblasted fuckface-after that I proved you wrong, and you samefagged to make it seem as if someone agreed with you

>>2094581
It would be like saying "european films are a genre"

>>2094606

It is though. That's why there's a foreign films section in the movie aisle, and why there's a separate anime section as well.

>weeaboo status; assblasted to orbit

>>2094605
My favorites. No argument and full on rage with the typical reaction image combined with it.

>>2094604
What the fuck is your point even? Your statement was that anime is a genre, now that you know better, you still try to make it seem as if that wasn't the point you wanted to make

>muh westerners
>a- anime is not a medium to me because I'm not japanese

Fucking mong

>>2094604
you're the type that just writes whatever you please and then pretend you did everything right huh.

looky here m8ty, this is what you wrote:
>When we refer to anime we refer to japanese cartoons, not any other form of japanese animation.
>not any other form of japanese animation.
and that is wrong.
you can disprove me by showing me a japanese animation that isn't called anime. go ahead.

until then, read the post again and realize that you are a grade A retard.

>>2094607
Haha, you really think because people tend to categorize that now somehow you're right because you always buy your MLP dvds in the "faggot" aisle at wallmart?

Is anime a genre or a medium? Neither. It's an artform

Let's put it this way. Genre is a term used to refer to categories of art/communication that are defined by specific shared characteristics.
Subcategories within a genre are referred to as subgenres. The term media/medium refers to specific modes of art/communication in which the
shared/contrasting characteristics aren't simply categorical difference but technological differences in how the art/communication is experienced by the
participant, just as in the physical/technological experience of reading a book is different from the physical/technological experience of viewing a
film.

cont>

>>2094611
>>2094610
Still no arguments. You're still talking about the japanese word of anime when the discussion was all about the japanese cartoons we westeners call anime. It's always about japanese cartoons. Only now we pretend it isn't because you already lost. You can just keep on whining but it won't change the facts that japanese cartoons are not a medium, they're a genre. Define the genre under shit or japanese cartoons, it doesn't matter tom me.

>>2094616
So as an example, let's look at this in terms of literature. The medium for the transmission of literature is the book. That's the physical/technological artifact through which literature is conveyed. Not all books are literature however. So do we refer to literature as a genre of books? No, that doesn't really work. Literature is an artform. Artform is a category of communication in which the act is expressive and the meaning is implied rather than stated upfront. Within art and literature, a genre is characterized by a set of shared artistic techniques, as poetry is characterized by the use of artificial line breaks, rhythm, etc. Genres of literature include poetry, drama, fiction, etc. British lit, American lit, etc. aren't genres either; rather they're categories of literature as art forum not based on inherent characteristics within the art but on national origin.

So here's how I would categorize anime. Animation is an artform combining the medium of film and fine art. If we classify animation according to
national origin, then anime is a Japanese artform, and cartoons are an American artform, as subcategories of the classification artform. If
however, we are referring to specific artistic characteristics shared by anime or cartoons, then those become genres of the animation artform, with
further subgenres including shoujo, mecha, etc.

cont>

>>2094610
>>2094611

How are you guys not understand that this is some by the books trolling right here. All you need to do is state a strong opinion, laugh at anyone who provides pushback, and restate opinion as objective fact. This is literally Trolling 101.

I guess the stopped teaching this shit to the Newfags at the prestigious Trolling Academy.

>>2094619
So whether or not anime is a genre comprised of subgenres depends on how one is referring to anime at a given time. If one is arguing that anime has
specific artistic characteristics that distinguish it from the specific artistic characteristics of cartoons, then anime and cartoons become genres
instead of just national artforms.

I think one of the reasons anime fans have had trouble with this issue is that we've lacked the word artform in the debate. We need the middle term in between medium and genre, because the term medium does not really apply and the term genre has specific parameters that don't apply in every discussion.

So basically you're uneducated plebs having an argument for grownups.

>>2094616
>It's an artform
Oh boy, as if the word art has any meaning nowadays. Stop posting this pasta.

>>2094618
No, the discussion was not about the "cartoons" we westerners call anime, never in any post was this mentioned, my arguments, unlike yours, are based on facts, while you just make up things to compliment your fucked up statements along the way.

It was clear that we talked about anime, not japanese "cartoons" as you like to put it now that you got BTFO

>>2094623
Now you're just trolling for responses. Carry on then.

>>2094618
>it doesn't matter tom me.
because you're a fucking simpleton.
and simpletons always win the argument.

i'll just restate everything:
-anime is not a genre by any definition. so you are wrong.
-anime is only a medium by it's literal and japanese definition. so you're both wrong/right

>>2094620
I don't think that he is simply trolling, rather that he is just using his retarded argumentative "chain" to make himself look less of a fool

Well, I just saw this>>2094623
OK, you're right, he was trolling.

>>2094624
Yes because we were talking all along about animation the medium in general but just called it anime the whole time because we are such weebs.

God, you're just proving over and over again that you're a retard.

>>2094629
>this whole post

OK, I'm out, trolling or not, this is getting too obviously dumb.

>>2094632
>u trolling
Great argument. And hey, even if it was true, I managed to troll like 10 weebs and made them mad as fuck. Honestly, you broke my fishing pole a long time ago with such massive catches. Well, not to be proud of successfully baiting a few neckbeard weebs, you're the easiest catch you could imagine.

>>2094632
>>2094636

When the joy you get out of your day comes from trolling a slow board on 4chan, you should re-evaluate your life.

>>2093205
Nah, that's idiotic as fuck dude. Don't be stupid or pretend like some people were born with special abilities that are so far above others' that their triumphs will always be greater than others.

I have zero fucking talent, not even one IOTA of natural talent for anything, but my ideals and philosophies are what keeps me trying my hardest and those only came in to effect around two years ago. I've gotten so far in that amount of time that I know now there is no excuse for not being all you can be.

>>2094642
If you get trolled so easily you should kill yourself, mate. In the end it's your fault and not mine. In the decision to become a weeb you were reborn as a bait addicted small ugly fish, nothing you can do about it.

>>2094643
It depends on what you define as talent. You can't tell if you're talented or not. You can't live as someone other to see if it works as well.

>>2094636
>i was just trolling lel XD
BTFO

>>2094647

Only way you can be immune to bait is to not give a shit about the subject. /ic/ tends to be passionate about art which is helpful for gitting gud at drawing, but it sucks cause it makes you an easy target for bait and bullshit arguments.

>>2094652
Yes, now I rather take that role because suddenly it feels pretty good seeing you guys just get angrier and angrier with me being practically immune to any further arguments.

>there are spergies in this thread, right now, that think they can apply to decent art schools with an animu-filled portfolio
>there are spergies in this thread, right now, that think they can get good jobs in the industry mimicking a style way past its prime that's easily replicated by young teenagers everywhere
>there are spergies in this thread, right now, that think animu isn't just some phase they're going through
>there are spergies in this thread, right now, that think nip trash is comparable to Disney's worst offerings
The best part is, you're hurting yourselves more than any "troll" possibly could.

>>2094677
>disney hipster: the post

>>2094684
There's nothing even remotely hipster about saying Disney>animu, salty-kun. Try again.

>>2094677
hue

>>2094694
And?

>>2092679
You're aware actual pros rest, right?
You're aware most spend the weekends with their family, friends or hobbies, or have days dedicated to teaching rather than drawing, right?
You're aware you're not gonna make it because you keep making bullshit excuses for your meager progress. You're also aware you hurt your muscles and social life on purpose to pretend you give it more intensity than you actually do, that you waste 18 hours a day durdling instead of focusing at most 4 hours a day. That this is not a healthy or competitive schedule and that you're not actually seeing any results.
Right?

>>2092714
>Your in your 30's, of course you're not as interested in video games as us youngsters!
I thought firez was a kid.
He draws like one.

>>2094700

Nope. Only us NEETs can hope to get gud and make massive art gains. Anyone else is a delusional ass faggot.

So /ic/ cuts everything non-loomis from their life all cold turkey like.
And then you wonder why you have zero creativity.

Is /ic/ the containment board for special kids? I thought it was about becoming a pro, not becoming Van Gogh.

Get a shitty pc, one that lags on youtube videos and drop fps even with playstation 1 games on emulator and can only run PS CS2 or lower. Seriously. I haven't touched video games in weeks because my pc can't handle it, even if I miss it. All I have to distract me is art.

>>2094702
Children grasp new concepts more quickly than firez does, lol

Quitting /ic/ will net you more gains than quitting games.
Unless games drag you to /v/ in which case you should quit 4chan altogether, if you're here forever you won't get anywhere esle.

>>2093077
/thread

The last few hours in this thread did prove it again. Not that it needed proof.

>>2094276
What a faggot, the human body requires 6 hours if sedentary, and even less as you age.
You don't need 8+ hour unless you're still a snot-nosed child.
A well planned work schedule in a job worth having will take 9 hours from your life, travel included. And a competent adult will plan chores in advance leaving most of it for off days.
Take two hours down for all the instances of feeding, shitting and refreshing, and one hour for exercise and you've still got 6 hours for art, socialization and hobbies.

And that's assuming your job isn't art related, if it is, you should shave those hours from your schedule, which for a disciplined person doesn't need to be longer than 4 hours a day. The only kind of people who need to draw 10 hours a day to see meager gains are people who will never make it because they'r improvement will go to shit as soon as they're employed and have to force meetings, mails, phonecalls, conventions, conferences and traveling to their autistic routine.

>>2094692
that's something only a disney hipster would say

>>2094706
Ikr? I'd rather play videogames for 8 hours and study for 1 and expand my creativity and knowledge about lore.

Who'd want to study art for hours on end, something we're totally not passionate about right? I mean, it's not like we'll git gud at creation and imagination by drawing and doing studies. You can only do that by playing vidya and watching anime amirite?

>>2094707
this is true.
but on the other hand you need a decent pc to do comfy digital work.

i balanced it by by keeping a traditional sketchbook again.

>>2094739
This is not even remotely true. The shit you people on 4chan believe astounds me. Please don't breed and pass on your idiocy.

>>2094739
Have fun looking haggard as fuck, guess you can at least hold your wacom pen in your wrinkles.
forever babyfaced masterrace coming through

>>2094753
>not just getting an i7 and replacing your Geforce with a Quadro workstation card

lol you fags lrn2pcs

>>2094751
nice reverse bait.

>>2094761
>>2094773
Sleepy neets reporting.

Do you seriously need more than an hour to produce a master study or life drawing?
What are you multi light-source rendering?

>>2094749
>uses buzzwords improperly because he has no actual argument
Go wash out your onahole, weebtrash

>>2094838
>muh buzzwords
>implying i'd argue with fanboys of any kind
funny guy

>>2094806

Copying Loomis heads are serious business, bro.

>>2094700
>Nice projection you fucking faggot
Jesus this thread turned to shit, Bitch what's with your mass assumptions? where the fuck did that even come from? Everything you've said is such bullshit, do you type with your ass and shit out whatever comes on your screen?
God I hope your trolling

>>2094881
>muh 'muh'
>one mention = fanboy
>le clever countertroll attempt
Nah. Your bait is worse than your taste in art.

OP here, what the fuck happened to this thread?

my roommates been playing the witcher for 10 hours a day minimum since it came out lel

>>2094896
>Pros don't slave 24/7 to art, they live normal-ish lives.
>/ic/ mentality is "we're not seeing gains because we don't work hard enough, not because we work too hard and with bad form."
Neither of these is wrong.

>>2094941
I understand that but when he's prosuming I'm making excuses for not progressing in art, and is prosuming I'm ruining my social life, is unfair and untrue when I haven't made evidence of any of these things.

>>2094917

Don't act like you didn't know this thread was going to be a troll's wet dream.

>>2094980
I haven't seen this much shitposting since KromCompany came for a visit

>>2094504
>some scholars

Who the fuck would say something that stupid?

>>2094739
ok I've come up with a new schedule for dem artists

12-2 vidya
2-8 sleep
8-9 shit, shower and commute
9-5 crappy job
5-6 commute back and eat
6-10 practice art (cut this in half if your job is related to arting)
10-12 vidya

sound good?

I think people who hate and insult others for playing video games in general are idiots. I think 2 groups of people fall into doing this:

Genuine idiots who can't think critically if their lives depended on it. And self-loathing former gamers who go overboard in order to keep convincing themselves their lives are now better.

Both equally pathetic. Stop generalizing, and stop spouting idiot opinions. That's my advice.

thinking of not making it ruins my motivation to play any games.

>>2095071

Lazy western garbage artist.

You will never become good like Japanese and Chinese artist.

Might as not even try with that garbage work schedule.

But, I guess playing video games is important.

I'm a professional and I just started playing Vanilla WoW with 1x exp on Kronos. I don't give a fuck.

Life's too short for this childish crap. Avoiding things because they seem "immature" is teenage behaviour and immature in itself. Do what you love to do and fuck the haters. My love for video games is what got me into drawing in the first place.

>>2095071
4 hours of vidya a day while only sleeping for 6 hours? Jesus this is fucking stupid

>>2092679
Good schedule management is important to any hobby or activity you intend to take seriously.

If it wasn't videogames, it'd be something else. Television, gambling, drinking, whatever your vice is. A lack of self-control when it comes to indulging is the key thing here.

>>2095218
I think the point is it being time consuming, not childish, and the more you play the less time you have to actually be productive

>>2094593
Just like video games and hollywood movies, huh? Same repetiveness, also expensive to make, "restrictive" (wtf did you mean by that? but i will include it anyway)

>>2095076
No, you don't understand. My opinions are fact

i don't think video games themselves are the problem. i started grinding art again recently and it worked fairly well, even while playing casual vidya like isaac, plants vs zombies and the like. but i found it harder to play games that demand more energy like RPGs and TRPGs, even though i like them. using games to wind down is pretty neat.

what's important is that you don't forget about art. and i mean that literally. you have to remember what your focus is when it's time to practice. you have to constantly remind yourself what you want and why you want to do it, otherwise you'll spend a month tinkering with linux, obsessively playing games or watching movies, anime or focusing on other topics.
and time will fly by like it's nothing and i would wonder why the fuck i haven't drawn in while.

it's really just because i forgot. because something else caught my attention or i got swept along with it. and that's embarrassing. it's like being a windbag.
you just gotta remember and be aware of your priorities. video games are not actually the problem. there are plenty other things that can grab your attention away from art.

Is /ic/ always filled with this many stuck up assholes?

>>2095360
yes?

>>2095360
>Is /ic/ always filled with this many stuck up assholes?

yes, the best policy is to not bother starting arguements.

>>2095360

Yep. Ironically the more reasonable people are in the actual draw threads. Usually. Beginner threads have a fair amount of dipshits but they usually get the shit slapped out of them.

>>2095379
Maybe it's because people in the draw thread actually draws

>>2095438

Maybe its because that's where all the plebs and newfags hang out

>>2095476
Maybe it's because you're a shitter

>>2095486

Its true though. Those threads are the most asspat happy circle jerks ever. You might as well call them tumblr-lite.

I wouldnt be surprised if they start spouting sjw nonsense and adding trigger warnings to their shit.

>>2095492
perhaps because the people who post and comment in draw threads are artists and have a better sense of what kinds of comments are motivational (hint they don't always have to be positive). Being negative just for the sake of it rarely helps with that.

>>2095499
>have a better sense of what kinds of comments are motivational (hint they don't always have to be positive).

and

> Being negative just for the sake of it rarely helps with that.

Are contradictory. You're saying that motivational comments dont need to be positive yet you're saying negativity doesn't help either.

Funny you should say that when there are threads here where people look forward to getting shat on for their shitty art. Like this one here >>2089980

In fact, you learn more when your are nearly brought to tears than you would if you were being "nice" and "kind".

>>2095502
Critical != negative

By negative, I meant mean-spirited comments.
A comment can be positive and constructive while also criticizing the picture (pointing out its weaknesses)
Sorry if that was unclear.
Yeah it's true that some people benefit more from hostile/dickish comments.
So I wasn't talking about all people of course.

>>2095509
>By negative, I meant mean-spirited comments.

What's wrong with that? If you can't handle it you just don't have thick enough skin. Honestly, you should just gtfo if you can't handle people ripping your shit apart without the pretension of being nice.

>>2095502
>In fact, you learn more when your are nearly brought to tears than you would if you were being "nice" and "kind".

Only when you are a complete and utter noob who needs a reality check. That's probably where you are currently at, so you think everyone else should also be treated like that. Intermediate artists can't really do anything with a critique from some frustrated faggot telling them everything is shit. They need more constructive and articulate criticism.

Here lies one of the major problems of /ic/: Everyone wants to be a teacher and when they realize they aren't good nor knowledgable enough to teach some people, they resort to insults and trying to "bring them to tears" as you say.

>>2095519
>Everyone wants to be a teacher and when they realize they aren't good nor knowledgable enough to teach some people,

Actually I think the opposite is the problem. A lot of people here have read and re-read shit like Loomis, Vilppu, Hampton, Bridgeman, etc, but they never bothered putting in the time it takes to get to a decent level of skill. That creates this massive power gap between knowledge and skill and that's why you get a bunch of nitpicking over shit when people aren't that good at drawing.

>>2095513
You say that niceness is pretension, but wouldn't mean-spiritedness be another kind of pretension, by that line of thinking? If you want to say that mean-spiritedness in itself helps to motivate, i won't argue. but it's my belief that in the same way, niceness helps to motivate. in any case, i respect your opinion.

>>2095513
Sure, but at the same time, you shouldn't have a problem with people saying something nice about someone's art either if they genuinely like it.

I mean, we both know the real reason why you are getting so triggered by artists receiving compliments, right? It's not because it's a circle jerk or tumblr lite, but because they are better than you. If you can't receive any compliments, then no one should. If people are shitting on your art because you genuinely suck, then everyone should shit on everyone's art, regardless whether or not it's actually justified.

>>2095526
>people saying something nice about someone's art either if they genuinely like it.

That is how weakness happens. You need to step away from a community that gives you praise and embrace a community that toughens you up.

>>2095533
Yeah, as a beginner. Once you get better at art, these type of critiques simply become wrong. You can't shit on a decent artist without exaggerating and nitpicking flaws to the point where the critique becomes mostly useless. Once an artist has reached a certain level, a constructive critique will sound more positive completely naturally, not because the person is trying to be nice, but simply because the artist in question isn't doing anything that terribly wrong.

>>2095533
Are you seriously trying to imply there's only two possible extremes in art communities where they kiss your ass or kick it instead?

Its possible to get criticism and get praise without it being a hugbox where you can do no wrong. A healthy environment includes both of these things.

>>2095539
>You can't shit on a decent artist without exaggerating and nitpicking flaws to the point where the critique becomes mostly useless.

>>2095540
>Its possible to get criticism and get praise without it being a hugbox where you can do no wrong. A healthy environment includes both of these things.

I have yet to see such a thing, /ic/ or otherwise. Honestly, I think you guys are trolling me at this point.

>>2095540
I think this is a circle of hopelessness but let me give it a shot.

The problem is that comments ought to ne constructive, whether they are positive or not.

Examples of unhelpful comments:
-wow you are awesome
-you suck/are retarded

Examples of helpful comments:
-your lines are clean and efficient
-your composition is not engaging

It's not so hard to do this, come on guys! Just put some thought into your posts.

>>2095574
>Just put some thought into your posts.

But that requires effort. Why put effort into shit when we can just post ebin maymays and get some laffs from others.

>>2092686
>Playing vidya is degenerate.
no faggot.
You should play videogames. Because it can inspire you and you should know what is happening on a vidya-field with new design and unique 2d indie games.

HOWEVER you should not play vigeogames the way fatty eats food - all of it. In non stop.

>>2095598
>You should play videogames. Because it can inspire you

That excuse can easily get out of hand and you start lying to yourself. If you were serious about only using video games as a form of inspiration, you could as well just watch playthroughs of them. That way you get the visual inspiration minus any of the addicting elements.

>>2095574

Negative comments are always more construtive than positive comments.

Like "Wow you're so good keep it up :)" is fucking shit and is not helping anyone where "your shit fucking sucks quit the anime and learn some goddamn anatomy for once in your godforsaken life" is proper critique that can help light a fire in someone's ass.

>>2095583
Been lurking the board for a week now, someone care to spoonfeed me on this merc maymay? Whats the story behind it?

>>2095651
On /ic/ when people can't win a fight with each other, it usually ends with "post ur work faggot". Then the fighting ends because neither can draw decently.
This was the one guy who actually responded to "post ur work faggot" by posting artwork (a commission he did recently) and now people keep posting it, praising themselves for being funny.

>>2095656
I don't think andrew sonea originally posted it

>>2095635
>That excuse can easily get out of hand and you start lying to yourself. If you were serious about only using video games as a form of inspiration, you could as well just watch playthroughs of them.
No faggot.
Playing the game, feeling the atmosphere made by gameplay and music is way better than watching some neckbeard doing it on NewTwobbe with crappy voice.

I dunno, it's somehow easier to spot shit timesink games nowadays and just avoid them.

But there is always something to gain if you're mindful about the stuff you do/see. It's all about that visual library and ideas in the end.

>>2095678
That's no longer treating video games purely for the sake of inspiration for artwork, it's just you enjoying a game. Nothing wrong with that, but stop lying to yourself.

>>2095678
hello real life

what is real life, why is real life real life?
why are you such a faggotto when you have real life?
real life is the answer for inpiration m8
and I`m srs

games are a waste of time if you play them more than 4hours a week


REAL LIFE
GO GET ONE

>>2095678
For the purpose of building your visual and aesthetic library, it doesn't really make a difference.

>>2095703
It's funny hearing someone talking like this on 4chan

>>2095760
>hearing someone
>hearing

>>2094455
>y'all

Well, there's a moment when you have to choose: to be a consumer, or to be a CREATOR.
I remember when I started to learn some basics about coding and video games development, something made a click in my head.
Then whenever I was infront of some new game I couldn't concentrate in the gaming experience I was in my head disassembling the whole game.

I knew inside my head that what I was seeing t'was just a cheap illusion, that it was all a bunch of jpg's and and mp3 files in numbered folders. I felt like a fool.
I started to feel the need to be on the other side of the screen, to be the one pulling the strings and tricking the fools infront of the screen instead.
The need to create worlds and experiences and throw them at others and see them react to it, get lost in it.

That's what motivates me, to be the creator. I still get some games, but mostly watch walkthroughs. I can't sit and play them, I can't stand the urge to go and do something related to that game. I can't complete a game anymore like when I was a kid. I get too impacient to illustrate and create my own version of what I was watching.

I think that any real artist will go through the same process in time.

>>2095974
nice to read I have a doppleganger

>>2095974
No that's not being a creator, that's being autistic.

>>2095974
Is this copy pasta?

I'm so going to play tree of savior when it's out.
I don't know how i will manage my time then.

>>2095519
there is some truth to what you are saying, but when someone is getting shat on, maybe it is because they are NOT at an intermediate level and need a reality check.
everyone here likes to think of themselves as an "intermediate", but that range is pretty broad.

>Here lies one of the major problems of /ic/: Everyone wants to be a teacher and when they realize they aren't good nor knowledgable enough to teach some people, they resort to insults and trying to "bring them to tears" as you say.
this is not the problem of /ic/. the problem is people like you who think that "critique" is about everyone teaching each other.

I havent quit games forever but I spend far less time with them than I did when I was a teen. Probably 2 hour sessions a day at the most. I only buy games that beg for my attention. And I am not really attracted towards realistic-styled games, so there isn't much out there these days that interests me.

That's one problem with games: there are so many of them. So the first trick is to reduce down the ones you are buying to only the ones that you absolutely need to play.

If you know for sure that you should be drawing instead of gaming, just turn the game off and draw. The only way to end the addiction is by fasting, no matter what the addiction is, being games, food, masturbation, etc. But it's always a great feeling when you spent a good day accomplishing things and you end it off with a gaming session.

>>2092679
this is like saying having any hobby other than drawing will cause you to stop improving

play games if you want and stop being so hard on yourself