/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2091437
How do you sustain proportions when you're required to draw heads too big?
Phone camera quality because scanner gone ded.

So the idea was that there would be a soft light from the top right, with a few panels of harsh light, but it doesn't seem to quite work, not sure if the soft light has too much contrast, making her look like she is made of metal when the added harsh light increase the constrat even further.

>>2091527
no it's okay, whole thing is a bit dark. look at some refs. of skin though and note how the highlights work, skin tends to have huge diffuse blobs of highlight with not much mid-tone, and not much contrast between the mid-tone and the highlight. metal on the other hand has sharp intense highlights which contrast a lot with the mid-tones.

so if you think something looks metal-ly you should be able to work out what to change.

here's a ref. for you, i think it's similar lighting to what you're going for. you can see that you're on the right track i think.

Why is Goku shooting out a nipple out of his hands

>>2091527
that head is fucking atrocious. it's too huge, ears are too high. learn proportions for gods sake.
>her
what the fuck

also the shape is animu-like but the face isn't at all. it's just horrible.

>>2091681
Bravo, Sherlock.

>>2091696
what's the point of your existence?
you think i was too harsh or something?

if it was that obvious then all these mistakes were fucking uncessecary don't you agree?

>>2091708
Please don't give "advice" to people when you're an amateur

>>2091709
you should listen to your own advice and stop posting altogether.
does >>2091527 look fine to you? you think my points don't apply? then just say it. i don't like to lead garbage arguments so get to the fucking point already.

>>2091714

Not him but you didn't address the guys concerns over lighting at all and instead chose low hanging fruit, critiquing him for his obviously fucked proportions, which are crazy enough to the point where they're obviously intentional.

Your points are correct but don't apply in this context imo, anatomy and proportions aren't everything.

>>2091717
because the lighting doesn't matter at all compared to the drawing.
it looks like fucking shit, and it's not because of the lighting. even if the lighting improved hundredfold, it would still look like shit. the lighting depends on the form, and the form is shit.
there is no "low hanging fruit" you retard. you're just giving useless advice to somebody who should work on his basics instead.

>>2091721

You never addressed the form though.

There is low hanging fruit, you seem to not know much about rendering at all and instead picked out the easy 'mistakes' to critique, 'mistakes' which were most likely intentional.

>>2091696
until
>>2091721
>mfw

>>2091725
proportions are a part of it
if you think that's intentional or is ok even if it is intentional then you are bad and should stop posting.
i'm guessing you just feel retarded for giving useless advice, but don't let it out on me.

and again, even if it was rendered perfectly, it would still look atrocious because the underlying drawing is just that fucked.
and you know this is true (if you know anything at all). the rendering, lighting doesn't matter one bit in this case.

>low hanging fruit
>easy/hard critiques
i really don't even know what to say. it's fucking irrelevant. you think this is a competition or something?
i talk about things that need to be adressed. whereas you complied with his petty "concerns" about whatever stupid shit he/she is worrying about.

>>2091743
Why are you so trying so hard
We're all anonymous

>>2091745
you should try harder as well

>low hanging fruit

I should use this more often.

>>2091743
>i talk about things that need to be adressed

That is just your view man. Your aggressive points on his proportions were already obvious, thats all I mean by 'low hanging fruit', everyone can see them mate and pointing them out doesn't really bring much in the way of critique or help.

Just for the sake of clarity. Lets see how much we both know, post your stuff anon.

>>2091757
>dick measuring contest
not interested. my art has a different focus compared to yours anyway. besides, i was too agressive.
you should work on your faces and folds.
look, you seem to care about painting and rendering a lot, but i don't. and i also don't think they are as important as drawing

>thats all I mean by 'low hanging fruit', everyone can see them mate and pointing them out doesn't really bring much in the way of critique or help.
you're fucking retarded. if the artist knew how horrendeous it was he wouldn't even have posted it.
it's that kind of shittyness where i would be EMBARRASSED if nobody told me how shitty it looked and i realized it by myself later on.

>>2091767
>you should work on your faces and folds.

Yea my painted faces are garbage, thanks.

>you're fucking retarded. if the artist knew how horrendeous it was he wouldn't even have posted it.

Idk maybe he just likes drawing aliens in weird lighting situations.

>>2091768
>Idk maybe he just likes drawing aliens in weird lighting situations.
stop kidding yourself.

>>2091767
>my art has a different focus compared to yours anyway

Who cares post it anyway you fag.

>>2091772
which part of "dick measuring contest" did you not understand?

>>2091774
The part where it says 'my art has a different focus compared to yours anyway'. Painting is still drawing.

>>2091778
but drawing is not painting. not really anyway

>>2091767
>post ure work
>no, m-muh dick measuring!

Lel, weak af son. Stop being a little bitch.

>>2091808
post your work.

see how that works? it doesn't have to always end up like this. you shitters need to stop arguing based on your egos all the time. how about caring more about the actual art and technique side of things?

>>2091749

You'd be surprised how often people here rip on the obvious shit so they feel like they're helping or contributing to something. Or not considering there knowledge level here is quite low and bad anatomy is like the easiest thing to point out.

>>2091841
holy shit you will say anything to make yourself not feel like shit huh.
this place is fucking sad.

you people are reaching for the stars and failing miserably, and when someone points out that the basics are UTTER SHIT, you pretend like it has something to do with some low hanging fruit.

please, PLEASE use your fucking eyes and take a look at >>2091527 again. now tell me what i did wrong when i said the proportions are all wrong.
and now tell me how rendering advice is going to help this guy.

>>2091527
diff anon here.
there are some drawing problems that don't look like stylistic choices (chin, ears)
the bands of light look like they are painted onto her face. I think >>2091533's advice is spot on.
>>2091681
I agree with most of your points. But you were extremely toxic and tasteless in your delivery.

>>2091841
>You'd be surprised how often people here rip on the obvious shit
something like 95% of critiques, it's awful

>>2091898
>I agree with most of your points. But you were extremely toxic and tasteless in your delivery.

>Seriously complaining about hurting people's feelings on /ic/
Nigga were here to make grown men cry and to understand that their shit is fucking worthless and they will never even come close to making it without accepting the lord and savior loomis in their lives. Fuck you for trying to turn this place in to tumblr and if you're too much of a butthurt faggot to deal with the brutally honest critique then go fuck off back to hugboxes.

>>2091906

obligatory

>>2091965
Is that Vilppu? Oh it's only a matter of time now. Hold me /ic/

>>2091965
Hey name the artists please

>>2091898
>But you were extremely toxic and tasteless in your delivery.
kek.
it fit well with how i felt about that piece. i just get angry when seeing that kind of misguided stuff.

it's not like a complete beginner piece where i can just go "eh who cares".
that anon at least showed that he/she has tried to work on it, and even wrote about lighting issues he was trying to understand. that is what makes it so much worse. this guy is trying, and he isn't realizing how fundamentally horrid it looks.
the guy better wake up and take a real good look at the things he is drawing and get his priorities straight. because that was my natural reaction to seeing his work.

>>2091901
not "helpful" enough for you? kill yourself.
i fucking hate this attitude.

>>2091982
>and get his priorities straight
So if lighting isn't to be focused on yet, what would just suggestion for focused practice be on instead?

>>2091989
anatomy, proportions, gesture
you can easily add lighting/form to that as well, but the others shouldn't be neglected and are slightly more fundamental.

>>2091982
Well all right. I can see where you are coming from now. I get it.
You're not so bad. I like you.

Calling it done. Mainly because I'm kind of tired of working on it. But I'm open to any critiques, I'm still new at drawing cars and this was my first time trying to [digitally] paint one.

>>2091982

You still communicated your point ineffectively. Instead of people getting "oh, you think that anon still needs to work on his anatomy more before he touches lighting, okay those are your opinions and i agree/disagree with them" they got "wow he's a fucking douche" out of it.

Considering that you're an artist you need to understand effective communication if you want to be good at your craft. It's something you should improve upon.

>>2091841
Any resources on rendering like in the image? Who is the artist, actually

>>2092050

No clue, it's an old /ic/ troll/meme done to bait "that arm is wrong" reactions out of people, even though it's like that in the reference image.

>>2092054
Hmm. It looks like something Kyle would do. Still can't find his blog either.
I'll just have to figure it out on my own.

>>2092060
It's kairunoburogu on tumblr.

>>2092060
Nice try Kyle but you're not going to get someone to share your blog for you.

>>2092033
Looks downright unfinished. Everything that isn't the main subject looks awful, and even the car is poorly drawn.

Try using a higher opacity brush, and to actually draw your gradients instead of half ass them.

>>2092064
I am not Kyle. Christ
>>2092063
Thank you

>>2092060

How far back was his shit? I remember this going as far back as 2009/2010, so unless he's been around that long it might not have been him.

>>2091970
Your response reminds me of an old screenshot I took

>>2091527
Got that Code Lyoko head goin on

>>2092065
Thanks. I think.

But you're right. I have a really bad tendency to just block things in roughly with the mindset that I'll come back to them and finish them later, but I never do. I either just leave them or try some half-assed quick-fix to make them look better, which never works. I get burnt out from a drawing rather quickly, so by the time it's time to start cleaning the piece up and adding details that look correct I just say fuck it.

I wish I didn't, and it's this same mindset that is the reason that I never sit down and just focus and practice on the things I need to. I'm new at drawing cars, and I have very little experience with painting/digital painting of any sort, so the car being poorly drawn was something I was expecting. I did my best with the car, but it's just something that is going to be fixed with more practice.

>>2091982
>not "helpful" enough for you?
you can always strive for better instead of being content on what little shit you have. and you're a nobody, no one cares what you hate.

Just did this. Didn't intend to colour it to start with but It just didn't look complete without any.

p-please be gentle.

>>2092034
huh, so that's why people always argue with me.
i can understand somewhat, but honestly i expect people to not take it personally even when i write crude things. because in the end i'm still talking about their work.

as some people mentioned, they "agree with my points", and that's really all i was bringing to you.
personally i don't see the difference between
>"that does not look like a woman at all"
and
>"holy shit that's supposed to be a woman?"

i mean we're giving out shit for free after all. do we also have to present it on a silver platter?
i don't think of this as some professional critique circle, and i generally don't like "playing critique"
i've seen those kind of communities before. after a while everyone will break their neck trying to find good and bad things to say about each other, even if they are amateurs and can't think of anything to say naturally.
i like to be more casual with these things.

and this is 4chin, we should already be used to digging for substance in shitty posts.
/excuses end

>>2092181
I like the pastels. Not very extraordinary, but for some reason I really like this style.

Finally found a way to colorize without ruining my values. Pretty happy.
Update

>>2092181
>moebius-wannabe much?
cant blame you for that

>>2092204

See the thing is that no one wants to deal with a dick, especially in a thread that most people actually take their shit seriously. Try cutting back the crudeness a bit and see how the reactions are. I'm not saying being some tumbulite ass patter but just tone it back a bit.

lmao this entire thread
>muh stylization
>anime.

>>2092328
That a portrait of your mom?

how do I into faces

>>2092328
I like that /ic/ is so slow that you can tell who the shitposters are because they just go from thread to thread with the same variation of crap.

>>2092181

>heard you talkin shit

This thread reminds me of why I stopped visiting this place

>>2092365

And what is it about this place that's so terrible? All the other sites out there are even worse.

>>2092289
Just looked him up, I see the resemblance but the style grew more from the stuff that I was doing before.

>>2091965
okay Vilppu but LITERALLY WHO? to all those other plebs

>>2092410
Mind sharing more? I like it.

>>2092414
Sure, I have an album uploaded on imgur here if you want to see it: http://imgur.com/a/NLQj0

Rose O'Neill study

I'm working on 2 pieces atm and I need some help. I know my leg game isn't strong :(

and this. a crits?

>>2092549
Why must you keep drawing sad things all the time?

>>2092571
He seems like he's sad a lot of the time.

>>2092560
I'm going to focus on one thing here.

The eyes are too far apart, in my opinion. The tear ducts should align vertically with the wings of the nose, or side of the nostril, whatever.

I'm about to go to sleep, but I just kind of moved the eyes in paint. It's not perfect, but it should illustrate what I mean.

>>2092417
Thanks! I personally love this style and these great without any use of color. 1 and 10 stood out to me especially, the relationships between the lines look well thought-out.

>>2092181
I liked this drawing too and I also thought of moebius right away. I think it's your use of unnatural colors and emphasis on lines plus the surrealism. I prefer your approach a lot more since you have this austere architectural sense that comes off.
Color-wise I think you are going in a good direction because they don't distract from the quality of your lines, which I think is the main focus. But to really push that I think it's good to have the drawing work fully (value-wise) without any colors. So I suggest stripping the colors for now and adding some blacks and greys to move the eye around and create some interesting shapes. Once that is done, you can really play around with the colors.

>>2091973
>>2092412
steve huston - vilppu - loomis
scott eaton - michael hampton - proko
??? - peter han - ???

>>2092571
I would like to deconstruct sadness among other things.

>>2092575
Probably

>>2092328
if shitty anime is what you really want then here

>>2092704
also there's a lot wrong with this, and I'd like to get some opinions

also the lines are fucking imprinted on the back of the page because I'm clinically retarded

>>2092709
more womyn

>>2092710
and also I can't into foreshortening

how2composition?

>>2092906
if you want her to stand out more then you can desaturate guys a bit.

>>2092093

>>2091866
Are you mentally challenged

>>2093033

He's an example of someone who buys into /ic/'s whiplash-esque "tough love" philosophy a little too much.

>>2092560
Would look more natural if the leg was pointing like 5 degrees more to the camera, but I can understand you're scared of drawing foreshortened knees..

>>2092906
Composition? It's just three figures in white space.

Why not fill in the background? Even simply?

>>2091866
Holy shit. This is the dumbest thing I've read on here on a while.

Top notch!

>>2093046
you seem to know much.

>>2092917
>>2093046
will try, thank you

>>2091757
Nice studies, do more

>>2093044
>>2093033
>>2093048
go cry in your corner, because this is nothing.

>>2093044
>muh tough love
it's called facing reality.

Another one. She's kind of a guardian for the forest. Can manipulate the flora around her to do her bidding.

>>2093125
>3 head shots that are baisicaly the same

>>2093127
That's kinda the point though.

>>2093125
Looks cool.

>>2092906
read framed ink. It will help you.

>>2093130
It kind of isn't...

It would be ok if the expressions were drastically different and noticeable or if the flower's colors were simply changed. But from what I see at first glance, it just looks like a copy and paste to fill up more space without any consideration or effort. Especially since they take up about 1/4th of the canvas, they need to sell 1/4th of the idea. These do nothing for me and really don't do much to enhance the character.

>>2093188
What I meant was she is a mute and cold character, so her expression would change very rarely, and subtly. Maybe it was my fault for not stating it in the original post. But I would like to hear your opinion on this though.

>>2093202

Not that guy youre replying too but I think your color choices don't communicate "muted person" all to well. Since some of the people here didnt immediately get quiet and muted out of it there might be something about your design not working right, assuming they're not fixated on anatomy. Try some different color combos. My first instinct is to try some purple petals and see how that works, cause that's also like a regal thing and she presumably has a lot of authority and power.

>>2093223
I designed the character based on the red hibiscus flower. I chose it since the flower is a national flower over here, and is important here culturally. This element is a part of the world design I'm trying to establish. Eventhough there are types of purple hibiscus, they're very rare here so my intention might not come through.

But there might be other ways to communicate that that I need to explore, as you said.

>>2092560
>>2093045
>>2092582

Alright, I went to fix her eye, and attempted to redo the legs. How does it look now?

Trying to paint straight to color

>>2093202
Even designs of cold characters have more variation than what you drew. It doesn't have to be extreme, just push it.

how can I improve? im currently a beginner trying to practice more

>>2093292
The sticky is a good starting point for beginners.

Drawing these weird adventurers to practice a bit.

Drawing these weird adventurers to practice a bit.

>>2092709
Try focus on realism for a while
Drawing too much anime will cripple you which is the biggest problem with this, looks too animu.

>>2093352
The ogre guy is gonna fall over!!!! pls help him

>>2093352
wow whats an actually good artist like you doing in a shithole like this

>>2093381
I'll try to study real faces for a while then.

It's not such a bad idea to just draw parts for a page or two, say, just draw noses or mouths?

>>2093419
Of course not.
Go for it!

>>2093283

I think he's designing character sprites. That's a slightly different beast altogether.

>>2093389
Haha crap you're right, I'll have to fix that, thanks.
>>2093398
Appreciate the compliment, but there are plenty of good artists on /ic/.

I'm trying to learn how to paint quickly without blowing all of my time on it + always aiming for something finished, it's difficult

>>2093502
why the rush. also that's probably not a good direction to go in.
you're supposed to blow your time on it, at least if you want to meet certain level of quality.

>>2093502
Is that Pouf?

>>2093513
Well I don't know, obviously you have to produce some finished works, but when you are learning you can't expect everything to look good right off the bat, and there is meaning in doing a bunch quick studies in order to internalize the skill you're aiming for rather than busting your ass over-rendering one painting that will look bad nonetheless. This is my biggest problem and I feel it keeps me from improving at a quicker pace, but to each their own

>>2093540
Yeah!

>>2093443
?

Done, I guess...

>>2093695
It looks beautiful on the thumbnail, but in the real size all the lines are terrible. Work on it and your work will look better ;)

>>2093695
I know you used some guide or something to draw this, but I can't get over how terrible the clothing looks. It looks so crumpled and frumpy.

>>2093699
And here I was thinking it looked kind of fine, the Original rez is brutal (3600*5400) so maybe the extreme down-sampling is creating artifacts?

Anyway, here is the original from Sycra's tutorial.

>>2093702
>>2093699
these are both pretty asinine

>>2093695
On to bland, out of perspective weeb woman #2356!

>>2093703
Try to control your line. I don't know if it will work with digital art, but try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1lleIBzn3A
Look at Sycra's line art and compare. But you are good, your draw is cute, keep going ;)

>>2093705
Understood, bad line art is style.

>>2093705

Is it wrong I prefer firez' alice?

>>2093788
It's not wrong, just like how being born retarded is not wrong.

I would love some crit on this WIP

>>2093883
Wonky anatomy. Arms are wrong. Chest in relation to arms is wrong. Feet doesn't look right in the perspective. Head is too small. Hands are symbols. The gesture is good, very balanced.

>>2091437
HEY!

That's mine in the OP!! Neat! I never thought I'd be worthy of showing up in the OP considering the kind of work I've seen posted here from time to time...


Anyway, just here to post a concept for the MC of a comic I'm working on, general critique is appreciated.

He's supposed to be the typical hotblooded/manly badass since the comic is supposed to be a deconstruction of the Monomyth.

(Not to go into too much detail, but the story centers around 9 homonculi girls created from the Prima Materia and their stories and adventures. Muse Calliope is the Muse of Heroes (made more sense than "epic poetry" but they're the same thing in a way), and her story kinda focuses around this dude).

Named him Yash cause it sounded kinda cool, and the name in Hebrew meant like brave or some shit, and it reminded me of Vash the Stampede, but then I didn't like how it was a rather typical name for Arabs, so I changed it around, made Yash his nickname, and named him Iassu by playing with Phonetics.

His form of combat is based around Martial Arts. Since Wuxia and Monomyths go hand in hand, and I'm an avid fan of MA and the philosophy around them and such. There is magic in this world, both in the form of Mana and Chi, and obviously Yash focuses on the later, which for Westerners (where there story takes place) it's rather rare and exotic. Esp since most can't manipulate Mana directly, and it's seen as a taboo (Magitech is common tho).

I know it might sound kinda cliche, but I'm speaking in general terms, and since Cal's story is a "deconstruction" of the monomyth, I'm kinda trying to set up the cliche to break expectations halfway through her story. Yash is "the main character" (big emphasis on those quotations).

>>2093546
>Well I don't know, obviously you have to produce some finished works, but when you are learning you can't expect everything to look good right off the bat, and there is meaning in doing a bunch quick studies in order to internalize the skill you're aiming for rather than busting your ass over-rendering one painting that will look bad nonetheless. This is my biggest problem and I feel it keeps me from improving at a quicker pace, but to each their own

i agree that quick drawings/paintings can give you some experience, but after a while it always feels frustrating because the work wil still be mediocre. right now i prefer to sink my teeth into the subject and plan out my choices rather than focusing on finishing no matter what.
i don't really know either. well, tell me how it goes.

>>2091437
>>2093936
your faces are still too wobbly most of the time.
too inconsistent.

http://sploid.gizmodo.com/awesome-time-lapse-shows-the-transformation-of-bees-as-1705802198?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_facebook&utm_source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

>>2093936
When I say typical, I guess I mean... not too typical.

Think like a mix of Kamina+Mugen.

Hotblooded, outgoing, overly optimistic, smug, and a dirty-lipped badass punk sorta guy.

He's the hero, but he's not overly altruistic, more like the "do my own thing, follow my own path, and do things my way" kinda guy.

Though the set up is supposed to sorta mirror a monomyth and build him up to be the hero for specific reasons, his personality is much less than the "typical hero" I guess I shoulda specified that.

>>2093940
This is probably a result of me getting back into things after a 3 month break of barely any drawing.

Something I think will simply fix itself by drawing more and more. I'll try to do some live sketches on my trip to work in my notebook.

>>2093936
So I'm looking at this from my phone, and HOLY CRAP ARE THE COLORS SATURATED. It hurts my eyes a little, the main reason for this is my shitty laptop's screen. It's an Acer, but its a total piece of shit, and this particular problem is a huge peeve of mine.

Any quick fixes for monitors while I work on getting a new device?

>>2094279
I dig

>>2094279
Blood on face looks like bad acne or rash.

>>2093897
Yeah as I've been trying to get more gestural I'm having trouble keeping things "right". Thank you very much!

>>2094279
i think the image needs some desaturated parts its all in the same saturation.

>>2094279
hair fringes look super random.
also you have to understand that the hairline doesn't start at the top of your head.
you've made some progress thinking about ears but it's still not completely there yet.

>>2093936
Do you live in Florida? This work seems familiar

>>2094390
Used to live there, yeah. Now I live in Spain though.

Why?

>>2094401
Thought you might be someone I knew personally. Wouldn't be the first time that has happened on /ic/. I was mistaken

>>2094416
Alright, no worries then.

Just outta curiosity though, what part of Florida did you have in mind?

>>2094418
Central Florida. Gonna stop posting now sense I'm not contributing to the thread.

>>2094424
aw shit nigga, not him but I live in central florida

>>2094279
I wish you'd learn how to draw faces better.

how do you pick colors when designing a character? There there is just an overwhelming number of possibiliies, so how to pick the best one? (not telling you to pick for me, im curious HOW DO I EVEN)

>>2094528
Well pick a color scheme that you like - for example the bottom right reminds me of a strawberry shake or strawberries and cream so it's a nice combo.

>>2094528
Here you go anon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EL-ySlQIZY

>>2094544
not sure if serious. you actually learned anything from the video?

>>2094560
I did, it's a simple method for getting a decent and congruent color palette.

What's the problem?

>>2094564
the main issue is that the palettes you get from that are quite ugly.
if you want to try some nice colors, just sample an image you like. geez

>>2094439

>>2094704

>>2094704
>filename
haha, thats exactly what though when i saw the thumbnail

I'm not really liking where this is headed...

>>2094786
Here's the... "skeleton"

>>2094792
>>2094786
sizes aren't consistent at all. i'd go for easier perspectives for starters, with the VPs further apart.

>>2094794
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I'm also thinking it looked much better when the view was much more closed in. I think I might go back to that.

>>2094794
Also, I should add that I was going for something very Daisuke Ishiwatari-ish in terms of perspective. I really like what he works with in terms of that.

>>2092615

Bottom right is Rey Bustos. I remember watching an anatomy video set of his where he teaches you about the skeleton and muscles. If I remember correctly he went a bit deeper than some other teachers.

I always wondered why he wasn't more popular here.

>>2093705
I also didn't think that the line work was that bad. I agree that the clothes could look better but this was tutorial, so I changed what I could.

>>2093747
Actually Sycra himself said that the linework would look messy up close, (he uses very short strokes actually), at the end he zooms out the canvas at 16% and says that at that point it should look normal, this revision is a bit bigger than that but you get the idea.

Thanks for the comment and the link, I will check it out and try to make it better next time

>>2093788
Thanks m8

What's a subject or an excercise I can tackle to showcase my style and get crits?

>>2094439
Florida is hell

>>2094984
Don't know wtf you r talking about, but digital art has chiken lines and it's OK? OMG! May I start to draw digital and resize to get better lines?!

>>2095100
* chicken scratch

>>2095093

>>The weather is fine; there's nothing wrong with Florida it is just that there's no culture or history among the people that live here.

>>2095093
>>2095105

If you're weak, sure. Are you weak, anon?

>>2095149

>>2095093
It truly is.

work in progress for a ship flying through space or something...
would appreciate crit or comments :)

>>2091437
do you have a blog or something. i like this.

>>2095255
Deviant Art

ManlySpirit

>>2093936
Orange pants + black belt made me instantly think of goku, you should change the color on that.

>>2095149
Nah the geography is cool, the everglades and mangrove swamps are really neat. St Augustine is actually a really nice historical town. I just don't like south Florida.

>>2095380
It's done on purpose though. It's supposed to pay homage to Goku.

That's also why it's one of multiple outfits, I was playing around with different things, but there being a reference to Goku through the pants+belt is purposeful.

are there studios in europe dwelling in the anime-esque stylization ? I don't want to work in Japan (and probably would never manage to) but my style is heavily inspired by anime and I'd like to stick to it if possible?

>>2095423
I think "anime style" is generally more popular and accepted in the west now than before. Especially considering Korra and Avatar.

Plus, there's a very large market for anime/Japanese products in the West, and I think you'd have more success getting published in such, rather than in Japan which tends to be a bit more... racially elitist, at least from what I've heard.

In that same vein however, yes, European styles tend to have a strong Disney and Japanese influence to them, oftentimes making them a bit of a blend between Eastern and Western styles.

Source: I live in Yurop.

Oh, and if you wanna get published in Europe, France and Italy are your go-to places from what I've heard. Everything else sucks.

>>2092362

>>2095093
>>2095107
>>2095386

ayy! nice to see you around.

>>2095100
Please, don't think this way. It's possible to get a great line art without resize. If you go the bad way every time, imagine when you have to make a huge image and you will have to make it even bigger to resize and show to your client? Please, don't do this. Learn to control your lines or to clean them digitally.
I personaly don't like this way, cuz it's hard to look professional and your work will aways looks like a colored sketch (but it's possible to be professional with colored sketch, lol)...

>>2094984
>>2093705
Your lines are half good, and more than half bad... no excuses. Please, don't be lasy, learn to control your lines, or just make your work clean and use ctrl+z as your good friend (It's fucking digital, why not?).
Is it similar to the sycra's way? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxcJez9Ge1Y - This is something better, and they use the tools to make a good work :)

Look to Stephen Silver, One stroke, lot's of ctrl+z. It's is possible in Photoshop too, just practice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66SQa5xEcvs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzg_5swsTcY

> You don't know Peter Han? He is everywhere in the beginner thread, and HERE >>2091965 >>2092615
sometimes.

Now do something new with this tutorial, take a look at perspective, etc, don't stop here, create your own stuff!!!

>>2095429
Thanks for answering! Yeah, ever since Avatar I feel like "anime" influences are much more accepted in Western products. I think you can even see it more in the more recent Disney movies such as Tangled.

I don't want to work in Japan because i know that, realistically, it's nearly impossible- They're very elitist in that regard, as you mentioned and to be honest they don't need a western girl doing what 10 thousand japanese guys can do (and willing to work within their fucked up working conditions).

I'm living in Portugal but this place is a shithole for anything related to arts. I'm planning on going back to London but tbh I'm pretty much free to move anywhere.

I'm young and I'm not really thinking on publishing anything for the time being, I'd prefer to gain some work experience by working for a studio first and maybe one day start my own thing (maybe a series based on pic related and >>2095423)


On a different note, what about Hong Kong? Does anyone know how the scene over there is? Considering China is starting to value art and explore games (even if just mobile). I was there recently and loved it.

general advice would be nice

>>2095429
btw your pic is really nice, loving the colour scheme, texture, painting style and the graphics, just be careful with those knees pointing one way and feet pointing another. It's a common mistake but it is anatomically impossible.

>>2095459
Her arm is very short
Eyes aren't on the same plane, they look wonky
mouth is teeny tiny
right breast is non existent
her fingers are too long
her other fingers are broken
thumb could be refined more, don't get lazy anon laziness means no improvingness
and finally the drapery of her clothing could use some work

keep working anon you'll git gud someday

>>2095461
I don't think the creator of skydoll would be browsing /ic/, bud

>>2095461
Wait, you think Skydoll is mine dude?

Haha, I appreciate the compliment, but it's not my work at all. It's a popular and published comic here in EU.

>>2095467
>>2095469
Kek sorry guys I had no idea I've never heard of it (although now that I think of it the face does look familiar). But I guess it's funny that a published artist with a cool style like that would make a quite "beginner" mistake. Just comes to show we all make mistakes.

>>2095478
I think it shows how overly critical /ic/ can be, especially when it comes to stylization.

Oftentimes what can be seen as a mistake by some on here, is actually intentional.

Don't buy so heavily into the "muh anatomy" bullshit /ic/ puts out.

>>2095481
Oh I don't really care much for /ic/s opinion on anything, but that is a genuine anatomical mistake, a common one (most people might not even notice they making it until someone points it out). Which doesnt mean the guy doesnt know how to draw (he clearly does), he might've just overlooked it. Maybe he was drawing late at night and didnt notice out of exhaustion (there are so many possible reasons). He might not do this often at all. I've made this mistake before (pic related) and only noticed when someone pointed it out to me. This mistake is actually pretty common nowadays and i think it started when the whole "drawing girls with feet pointing in" trend started. Lots of people started drawing feet pointed in and not twisting the whole leg.

I'm not putting down the drawing or the artist but I wont defend it as it being intentional because it's not like when people exaggerate proportions for the sake of cartoonization.

>>2095465
thanks for the help dude, big ups

>>2095491
Fair enough.

I was just saying, a lot of people on /ic/ just spout "muh anatomy" cause they have nothing else to offer.

And well, 4chan tends to be a rather infectious hivemind.

>>2095500
>4chan tends to be a rather infectious hivemind

Elaborate. All I see are assholes arguing with each other over the stupidest, inconsequential shit out there.

>>2095504
That's exactly the point.

People don't think for themselves, they just pick a side and latch onto memes with no rhyme or reason.

>>2095500
I agree on what you're saying, especially when you talk about 4chan in general. Sometimes there's good stuff happening around here but in general you're better off not taking much notice of an anon's opinion. I don't mean to say you should always dismiss it but people here will fall harsh on other people just because they're anonymous. That and meme based opinions.

>>2095511
Yeah, exactly. It's a mixed bag with the occasional diamond amid all the shit.

Which is why I crosspost on /ic/ for art critique, and take any and all criticism on here with a grain of salt.

>>2095512

The level of critique here would be so much better if /ic/ wasn't weird about people being clearly above and beyond the average level of skill. Once you start getting good enough to have an recognizable style (and i mean that in a general sense, even if the artist in question draws realistic environments or concept art), you become a massive target for trolls and jealous faggots. Even if you have the patience of a saint or if you're ghost for a few months time before you pop back in, the constant deluge of unneeded shit your way will just drag you down and make you want to get the fuck out.

>>2095530
Aw man, I couldn't agree enough.

I mean, I'm not pro, but I've certainly got a solid grasp on all the fundamentals. Yes, I can certainly improve them all, but sometimes, the kind of criticism I've gotten here has been so off the mark, it just really... more than anything annoys you. In the end, it starts making you very hostile to pretty much all types of criticism, even legitimate and good criticism cause you have you defenses up for yet another troll or jealous newbie.

This is why I made my decision to join up to a lot of other art forums. Becuase /ic/ can be great for illegal resources and for beginners to get a leg up on things, but one you've got about an intermediate level, you're just gonna be held back by a large portion of the community here.

Oftentimes, my posts on here either get ignored or draw trolls, whereas very bad art will be a magnet for all sorts of criticism, both good and bad, which, at that level is great, but once you're intermediate, /ic/ can do very little for you I feel.

And tbh, I feel a large part of the hostily here has to do a great deal with the identity crisis a lot of 4channers have where they feel they gotta berate others and be hateful in order to validate and feel better about themselves. I think this is most evident on /a/, where they pretty much hate everyone and everything, including themselves, and moreover, are proud of it.

>>2095554

Which other forums are you a part of?

>>2095565
Cubebrush, Sycra and concept art

>>2095572

Never gave cubebrush and scyra a try, how are they? And is CA still dedder than ded?

>>2095581
CA is dead as fuck, been a while since I've been there. Cubebrush is pretty good though.

>>2095554
>but once you're intermediate, /ic/ can do very little for you I feel.
Sounds about right with my experience.
I tend to get ignored, but more frustratingly I only get comments and critiques about stuff once I post a finished image and not during the several sketch/wips I post before hand where it would have been more helpful.

So I just have to be more critical of my own work at this point.

>>2095587
I was ignored at some art forums, I am ignored here sometimes, It Happens.
I think the problem with some people (not forums) is the ego. I try to give good advice, but some people don't use what they learn to improve. Sometimes I see people with the same problems from years ago, and anons giving the same answers that i gave.

People need to try to learn with tutorials and stuff, think about they are doing, not just make a copy and nothing more. This place is greate becouse people are not polite with you everytime. If you can survive here, the criticism outside will be nothing to you.

Give good advice to people who don't try to increase is sad, but, what can I do? Nothing! So I'll use my arm to be better. But I'm trying. Lol.

Just have fun, and learn to see. Drawing is a complex puzzle. And people will guide you if your eyes are blurried, don't give up.

>>2095607
I'm trying to improve the same as everyone else, but I'm now at a point where I get better critique and can improve more through self-analyzing and competing with and comparing against artists I know. It's just frustrating when you post here in the hopes of getting some honest opinions, and get nothing.
I'm not giving up anytime soon though, I've been at this for a while, but the helpfulness of /ic/ is gradually decreasing as I go on.

one i finished recently.

>>2095646
Bring in more light values to the focal point, divide foreground-middleground-background as well.

1. Use a broader value range in this picture
2. Study black-and-white movie scenes to practice a broader greyscale value range
3. Maybe watch this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S0t_Thzhso

>>2095624
Show us your work! You have my attention!

will add colors later

>>2095706
what do you mean add colors later
its bearly done linework
who do you think you are punk ?

hey guys how do i make the character on the right stand out a bit more? Also what can i do about that background?

>>2095727
I wanted to be quick about it but I guess I should do linework. :/

>>2095661

Thanks!

>>2095756
have the character not use the exact same colors & brightness levels as the dragon?

>>2095756
Her torso seems a disconnected from her legs.
As for making the character stand out, an anon from draw thread posted a video about creating composition through value. I would check that out. The light value of the bg kind of kills the contrast that would make her stand out.

>>2095756
Easiest way is to differentiate her from the bg using value. Pay attention to her silhouette and make sure it is clearly defined. Her right hand and her horns are blending into the bg (bats wing).
As for the background, try thinking deeper about the story of these characters. Why they are doing what they are doing, and what kind of world they are part of. That should give you a starting point.

A little nervous about posting here. But i finished a line up of my characters recently.
I have an overall cute style anyway, but was curious to know what everyone thinks.

>"Okay, let's try again to draw some anime!"
>this comes out
I'm in hell

>>2095860
Also, i just noticed that the mouth isn't coloured in the middle...

>>2095861
I really like the way this has turned out though.
As strange as it sounds, try putting less detail into it. Like, make the eyes wider and delete some of the detail from the bridge of the nose. Anime has a very pseudo realistic style with not many details.
< Example

>>2095767
I made a few adjustments, darker, bluer, greener, redder. Any of these better than before?

>>2095866
in digital I just can't. it comes out shit
its a curse, or my destiny?

>>2095872
Try just drawing simple blocks - Or try cartoon art for a while. Draw The Simpsons or Family Guy to get a feel for drawing simple characters?

>>2095871
The last one seems better, but why not try to be a bit more drastic and completely turn the colors around? E.g. you could try to make the dragon red or something.

I'd also try to make the background fairly/very dark, and then have the edges of the dragon get lost in the background, and the dragon itself also be fairly dark, so that the character on the right really pops out.

You can try pumping up the contrast on the dragon so that a few of the brightest regions on it remain fairly bright, and then dim out the rest of the dragon to merge more with the background. That way you can still use brighter, smaller highlights to basically show the entire shape of the dragon, while still having most of the dragon be pretty dark.

Anyway, just a thought, no idea if that'll work out.

The lines so far on this one. Trying to keep all of these characters somewhat consistent.

>>2095976
I really like this, are you going to color? also the right ear is a little too big, it should be smaller than the left.

>>2095979
Ah dang, you're right. I think I actually meant to make that other ear bigger but forgot.
And yeah, but nothing complicated, probably just simple flats.

>>2095180
>>2095976

your brush is just simple circle with a paper texture right

do you ever erase when doing your inking or just ctrl-z until you hit what you want

>>2095992
That's what it effectively is, yeah.
And I do a bit of both, honestly. It depends. The majority is single stroke, ctrl-z'ing, but I do erase for certain things.

>>2095976
Increase shoe size anon, she's gonna fall over

>>2093253
I really like this
, keep it up.

>>2093730
That's Alice you fucking donut.

i just draw this.
i only do it for fun, but would be nice some feedback, i want to improve my skills

>>2096075
I feel like I can smell the ink.

slapped a shit-ton of color correction on everything, any better? I think this will be as finished as it gets for me

muh muscle grills

>>2095706

Where I'm at with these two.

Ayyy

>>2096253
Can't tell if shes laying down or floating.

kaiju bats

>>2096202
Keep going.

Anyone know tealguy's tumblr? i forgot what it was

>>2096260
cant delete it but i fixed a bunch of stuff

>>2096107
or i can cover the boobs, idk; in any case I'm finished with this, thanks for the help guys

>>2096761
fuck forgot to make a layer visible///

>>2095247
looks cool.. feel like I've seen it somewhere before though. I'm thinking transformers the movie from the 80's where the ship fly's through Unicrons eye

>>2095454
Why has Avatar changed anything?! Derp, what does blue aliens have to do with anime...

>>2095976
love it except the left shoe.. I go back and forth between appreciating it's uniqueness and hating it's diminished gesture

>>2096775
dope, has good energy, exciting angle, intense, good color, nice tone selection, etc.

do some heroes of the storm!

>>2096202

is the leper mace guy an apothecary

that's fucking cool bro

Chittan Archers seeks employment overseas to to bring money and fame to their developing Empire.

>>2096898
you could make the belly look less flat by following the form with those scales things. you fokin hipster wanka cunt.

The final two.
>>2096025
>>2096866
Her right shoe, our left? I'll have to mess around with that then.
>>2096877
Hah yeah, and thanks man!

>>2096861
Avatar the Last Airbender.

I thought that woulda been kinda obvious considering it was mentioned alongside Korra.

>>2096775
I changed the lighting slightly

The numbers are where my eyes moved around the photo

Just set your webm to loop

>>2093352
>>2095180
>>2095976
>>2096202
>>2096921

artist?

>>2097237
Oh, here's my tumblr : thdark.tumblr.com/tagged/art

>>2096775
the lower portions of the legs look stunted. But I like it.
>>2096703
Nice idea. But her arms (particularly the left) look too short. Don't be afraid to draw over those buildings to fix shit. One more thing is fix the left side of her face. The eye is disproportionate (too far to the edge).

What needs fixing on this'n?

>>2097454
Calling it done. g'night bros.

>>2097574
Last re-post sorry.

>>2097586
Your style doesnt really allow it, but there is no indication of atmospheric specular or reflection from the sea (assuming shes standing in it). Though if you

i hope my laziness is not too painfully obvious.

>>2097588
Oh yeah I forgot to add that. not that I know how to do it. I'll check google for it now.

>>2091973
Next to Villpuu on the left is Steve Hutton
He's pretty much as it says, He's the messenger, a priest spreading the word of Vilppu. The Princess is Proko, a student of Vilpuu

>>2097590
Kind of like this I think

>>2097611
Dude thanks. I was checking Google but all I got was like water reflections. I don't even know how to go about finding how to paint the ripples that reflect on walls and skin from sunlight.

But thanks again. It makes a lot more sense this way.

>>2096775
>>2096761
her gesture could be better. especially with her legs.
the way we see her horns also doesn't match the angle of the head

>>2097454
Thanks, I tried making them a little longer. Gonna try to wrap this one up quickly.

>>2098222
I don't understand this fetish

>>2098234
>I don't understand this fetish
Don't even try... There are many fetishes you will never understand, and most of the people with these fetishes don't understand either. It isn't the mind that understands a fetish. It is the dick or vagina.

>>2098239
i like to imagine shes covered in poop cause i like pooping on girls.

Any tips for drawing female animu faces in unusual angles? I can kinda do it, but it always ends up being a long, drawn out process, especially when I have to give her a proper expression at the odd angle. I'm particularly struggling with faces seen from various low angles, as anime girls tend to lack a proper chin, and the part of the neck that connects to the chin.

It's difficult to find reference for this, as a lot of animu artists have inherent flaws in their style, oversimplify things, or simply don't draw from this angle.

>>2098272
just try using real photo reference, analyze it, then stylize it, that's how this works

>>2098277
haha good luck with that.

>>2098272
i have a lot of trouble with certain angles as well. i usually can do them but the problem is it's not always consistent in style.

do you have any examples? i'll try to do a redline

Needed a break from the lolis after yesterday's shitstorm, so I drew some dudes.

>>2098483
Half the dudes look like peadophiles, congrats.

>>2098497
2.5 of them do?
Huh.

>>2098506
yes, the one on the top left is the .5.

>>2098497
kek

>>2098483
are you trying to do comics/manga or what are you practicing towards?

>>2098513
It'd be fun to do comics, but I doubt I have the discipline.

>>2098516
i see. you draw for fun, comissions etc?
nice to see you back btw.

>>2098520
Mostly for fun. Currently just working on improving and actually finishing stuff. If I ever feel content with my skill level, I'll decide what to do then.

Don't do commission, as I already have a degree and a job.

>>2093936
>them reiki symbols.
I think the palette needs to be tweaked a bit. Has a bit of a Goku clone thing going. I can see his being a fighting game sprite if the colors get worked out and some anatomy tweaks.

>>2093352
>>2095180

mate your lines are delicious.

>>2095386
>>2095107

love your work, but I still like your self portrait ava pic the most. heh

what do you think of my ink, /ic/

>>2098583
schierke is fucking awesome. i think its breddy gud, tho.

New Thread:

>>2098627
>>2098627
>>2098627

>>2098524
you fucking cunt u have it all.

>>2093398
>good artist
kek

>>2096052
Its anime stylized generic style, I guess thats what he wanted to say.