/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2091728
Someone else should make these threads, OP gave up.

do you warm up with gestures?

>>2091731
go for it

I don't understand the op image, why the number, its not the postnumber.

>>2091801
>I don't understand the op image, why the number, its not the postnumber.

The first few beginner threads were actually numbered, counting up for each thread

E.g. #1, #2 etc

Some OP fucked up or something happened and now every OP just chucks up random numbers.

>>2091802
Oh okay... I don't see the purpose of them being numbered really. its never been an issue in any other thread.

Im okay with the idea of using a similar op image each time tho, makes it easier to see in the catalog.

>>2091802
I think there was a bit of an argument about the numbering of these threads and I guess some OP thought it would be funny to number the thread some random number.

>>2091802
I think some time ago a old OP died and no one bothered making a new thread and the thread number was lost 5ever

>>2091728

Friendly reminder

http://loomisloves.us/wiki/Beginner%27s_first_stop

From what ive seen most seem to be starting with http://drawabox.com/

or

http://www.ctrlpaint.com/library/

or loomis obviously.

>>2091728

Friendly reminder

Vilppu > Loomis

would this pic be okay for a landscape study? i took it the other day and cropped it a bit but now that i look at the the colors look a bit wonky

>>2091833
go nuts

I scratched the surface on my new tablet.
rubbed the black off trying to buff it out.
whole thing will need replacing...
I could cry.

>>2091838
wow thanks!

>>2091876

not the helpful anon who did that for you, but if you're trying to do a study on a photo (colored or not), always try to up the contrast so you can make things out better. specially with black/white photos like this for example

I gave myself an RSI from practicing 8+ hours a day for several months straight. Just a PSA: don't ignore the warning signs! Take breaks and stretch. Your hand is your future livelihood.

>>2091900
how do i do that? also, what did the other anon do to my photo?

>>2091734
but then it won't have nannannana in the OP

>>2091907

I assume he just upped the contrast. I just draw with pencil/paper so I don't have fancy programs. I just plopped it into GIMP2 and went Colors > Brightness-Contrast > and just dragged the contrast bar up from 0 to 25 or so.

Keep in mind that you should ahve the original with you as well (notice how some features present in that original portrait are lost in the edit), but upping the contrast is a great place to start for studying.

>>2091902
Fucking this, I'm literally a day away from carpal constantly because of a shitty summer job I took 4 years ago.

Why have the stretching exercises been removed from the OP?

>>2091902
The power of NEET.
>>2091946
Because the current OP is shit.

My neck hurts every time I do drawings.
How to combat that?

>>2091988
easel or drawing board

>>2091962
then become the new op instead of bitching about it!

The lesson number 2 of drawabox is complete shit. The "rules" for intersecting forms only work if the edges of the boxes are parallel to each other. In pic related the lines are not parallel and of course, the intersections are all over the fucking place.

Is there a point to trying to understand this lesson or should I just resort to eyeballing or 3d modelling complex intersections?

These threads should be remade weekly or at post limit, instead of arbitrarily

>>2092071
Maybe apply proper lighting?

>>2092080
They are, the previous thread is autosaging.

>>2092081

what does lighting have to do with how forms intersect?

They are tilted cubes, a long pyramid and a sphere. I left the back lines in case it didn't read propoerly so there shouldn't be a problem.

The thing is: the moment something is tilted, there are no intersection rules to apply, yet this guy keeps using them. Of course, the result is wonky as shit.

>>2092082

this, it's just that ic is really slow (not a bad thing) so at times there can be two or three old beginner threads autosaging at the same time

>>2092071
Why are you going through drawabox instead of a proper perspective book? That will teach you everything you need.

>>2091988
use your hand instead.

>>2092071
My assumption is its to teach you to anticipate where the hidden lines are going to be.

to show that you are thinking in 3 dimensions.

>>2092004
>drawing board
how can one combine that with PC table?

>tfw every drawing you make of the human figure has a homoerotic feeling

freud a shit

>>2092127
just accept you like boys anon

>>2092088
If you know how the intersections are supposed to look instead, just draw 'm that way then instead of complaining. Oh, wait: you don't know. You can't even articulate the problem. Are the sections even off? How would you tell?

so I'm polish anyway I might just start photobashing, since I'll never git gut

>>2092213
this is the silliest thing I've read in a while

ull git gud anon u just have 2 beleive in urself

>>2092202
So how do we into intersections? I'd really like to know

>>2092221
no u

I drew a mannequin, sketched over it, defined some lines, then painted some colors and cleaned the lines away

but im done fucking around, i know how my tablet and software work now so i got 'drawing on the right side of the brain' and im going to start studying that instead of doodling

>>2091962
Write the new op post and ill gladly use it for the next thread it is better

so how do we use this thread to get better?

>>2092265
you post your stuff so we can crush your spirit and rebuild you better. Then crush you again... and again, making you better with every new iteration until you became the based god you seek to become.

>>2092274
I don't have stuff, I just make squiggles.

What's the best book for starting watercolor?
I'm reading Watercolour Landscape by David Bellamy.

>>2092283
then let us crush your squiggles

>>2092265
if you at least lurk it you'll see anons posting good beginner resources that you can put to use like >>2091809 >>2091812 >>2091815. otherwise just draw shit, post shit, and people will tell you how many more years of loomis you need.

>>2092301
the middle link was me.. im still drawing circles.

>>2092308
post em

>>2092314
I think you would get bored fast if I posted my shitty circles everyday.

but back on topic.
we got a load of people
we got the teaching references..
somehow I just feel if were say doing it alone were missing a trick.
doing thigns in a groups like a good way to make mundane tasks less boring.

>>2092314

there i drew something

>>2092319
I think I see what you mean. like group challenges and shit?

>>2092350
maybe I don't know, I don't want to suggest what to do when I cant draw myself.

>>2092350
that sounds like fun, like per thread/bi-weekly shit would be cool.

>>2092350
>>2092359

I think group activities could work well. Like focusing on certain things, such as character designs, or imaginative settings, or certain techniques.

There are persistent threads like the draw and beginner threads, but tbh I have no idea who makes these or decides which ones go up. Maybe weekly or monthly activities could be part of that.

Okay -
Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain
draw a hand with reference

I feel like the initial sketch was a lot better than the lines, but that might only be because it was much more vague.

>>2092383
this always fail due to the lack of participation

>>2092347
rebuild

I've been going back in my folders and looking through really mundane pictures I took and I'm finding a lot of them to be inspiring.. re-imagining these scenes in a more unusual and interesting environment makes me want to stay up all night practicing.

>>2092411
>>2092383
I would participate - probably every time
we did a thing kinda like this on /p/ and while it fell apart due to dwindling numbers it was always fun and worthwhile to the people who actually did it right

Please tell me how I suck

It's been 2 months since I last drew anything, so I know there's a lot of fault there, but please point out whatever seems the most apparent.

>>2092250
>>2092347
>>2092401
>>2092433

everything gets ignored in this thread

i need help with line weights and etc. All of my drawings look flat because of this.

>>2092433

you suck in the sense that you don't take your time, nor do you stand back to construct the face well

>>2092433
I think all of her might be too fat, throwing everything off

>>2092433
you could over lay it and see how off it is

>>2092438

my circles
what have i learnt from this?

>>2092475

second day of drawing in years. Nose study (copied the left one, attempted making it forwards-facing in the right), and portrait of Henry Cowell copied from photo

>>2092475

clearly nothing because you didn't take the time to draw the circles seriously....

>>2092478

also question -- at what point should I start constructing from imagination? (the right nose is a rotation of the left that I did by hand -- which I already notice is convex in the middle cartilage part unlike the one on the left) I'm 19 already and my goal is to be able to easily construct disney-tier characters (think Robin Hood) by the end of the summer, meaning I'll have to put uncountable and meaningful hours a day in between now and then.

Do I even have a shot?

>>2092481
how the fuck am i meant to draw them``more seriously``

>>2092490

take your time, rotate your pad, etc?

I spent at least a hundred hours drawing just circles when I was 15 or 16. You learn to slow down and take them one stoke at a time -- at least for me -- paying attention to the curve vector at every stroke, because a little off and you don't make ends meet (literally.)

Unless you already have, start circles on paper first. Or slip a paper on top of your pad and tape it on to have the same feeling as paper underneath (no slipping, etc.)

it takes me a good 20 seconds to draw a good circle about an inch in radius on paper. A minute for one of two inches, even more for one of three, four, etc.

Mindlessly doing a loop with your pen on that pad isn't going to make you draw circles any better.

>>2092485
Sure but bare in mind Disney uses a lot of gestures, so you'll have to be decent at that too. Also by the end of next year summer is a good, more reasonable goal.
>>2092490
Go to youtube and watch Dynamic scketching with peter han, you won't need the rest of the workshop for now since you're starting but eventually you'll want to watch and do all the exercises in it, so you can get a full link in one of the book threads or at cgpeers.

>>2092492
>Also by the end of next year summer is a good, more reasonable goal.

yeah, if I can do that and draw like that by the time I'm 20 or even 21, I'll be pretty happy with myself. I think I'll set for end of this year (I turn 20 in december) to force myself to work hard, and when I fail to meet that goal, I'll set it again for summer of 20 years old.

Thanks, I'll check it out!

>>2092485
maybe, if you work your ass off. disney characters aren't hard to draw per se if you know how to make fluid characters with proper expressions.

also, if know how to construct then just experiment with imagination to find what's best for you. for me, imagination drawing has been the most helpful because if I fail to draw something properly from imagination then I study said thing until I can and being able to draw from imagination is the end goal. so for me it's a good thing to use to pinpoint where I'm weak.

>>2092491
okay i am n a tablet pc so i dont have a rotate button but ok gud advice

Requesting some friendly advice on how to further improve my rendering ability.

>>2090891
that ass is fucking fappable anon

>>2092509
define a light source and draw out the terminators according to the source and form relationship
it kind of looks like you're on the right track but it's too random

Just dropping in to share.
Any feedback would be cool.
Shit quality picture, I know.


>>2092509
Digging that shit though.
>>2092595
I agree with that guy.

How would you go about making something like this digitally?

>>2092630
Symbol drawing all over the place.
Read the sticky and then go to beginner thread.

>>2092684
Work large, find a scenic brush set, study oceans.

Another beginning of horrible day

how is the likeness on this? ref from the face study thread

>>2084496

>>2092847
Features pasted on, no actual interaction to face.

>>2092863
what you mean no actual interaction. and i didnt trace

>>2092865
at least you man make them look human, I'm still at the stage where my gesture drawings barely look like people

>>2092864
I think he means that the facial features doesn't look like it belongs there, it's technically horrific but it looks odd.
This is probably because of the inconsistent brush, you need to stick to one brush unless you need to texture something

>>2092868
*not technically horrific

>>2092869
im wondering if its just the values? i have did an over lay and it looked like everything lined up almost perfect. speaking of which, my layers on this file have been disappearing. i had some 6 to start then everything with color got flattened into one somehow and now that i just reopened it it flattened into a single layer

>>2092887
not it's not the values, it's the hard brush on the soft brush thing that makes everything looks weird. Also when using a soft brush, make it as large as possible.

>>2092898
huh okay this is my first time painting a portrait. lesson learned. and i played with the overlay some more and it turns out the eyes were a little low and a bit misshapen. so theres that too

here's a master study im working on

>>2092953

>>2092953
spend more time looking at the colours, as this obviously is not a structure based study.
the hue is more of a green one, you are portraying blues in the front most wave.
isolate the area of colour to get the real values

>>2092959
i see the area youre talking about. there's darker values just below the 'break' so thats what i was showing. ill make it more green. the clouds is the harder area imo

I'm feel helplessness.

>>2092971
stop whi9ning fucker, all you have to do is work through loomis

>>2092973
I work through Vilppu. They all supposed to be "spherical forms".

>>2092979
you want to draw like him? its all a bit squiggly. this one of his drawings.

woke up at about 1:50pm.
its now 4:12pm

watched some drawing vids.

feel tired, want to go to sleep. don't feel fresh and ready for drawing. if I did draw it would be half arsed.

anyone know this feeling?

I only get so many minutes a day I feel like drawing. I don't know how ppl can do it all day.

>>2093004
either drink coffee or start exercising daily. Exercising will make you sleep better and be less tired, try it out.

>>2093004
Get some vitamin D man

How is this walking stance? It's supposed to be a fast food worker with the headset thing.

Been playing a lot of Witcher 3 and watching a lot of TV shows and movies. Suffice to say I didn't get much drawing practice in.
So, here's my attempt at a quick doodle to stay in shape.

>>2092988
he would make a good lewd furry artist

>>2093004
I got some sleep. just woke up 8:30pm.
>>2093034
I used to drink coffee all day but it became a crutch and I felt down without it.

I`ll be up til about 2am now. lets see if I can do something productive.

>>2093043
I do got some vitamins. ill try to remember to take some tomorrow.

>>2091728
new to digital art

Any advice on my proportions? I'm using Loomis and it's great but idk, how do they look?

>>2093334
what brush is that?

>>2093335
2b pencil with transfer, texture and 85 opacity.

>>2093338
Frenden brush?

day 2 of learning to draw
I want to fucking kill myself
will I ever get better

>>2093376
you'll notice it like next month, minimum. the more work you put into it, the sooner you'll git decent.

>>2093378
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>2093346
no, is just the default one.

>>2092477
todays circles.
>>2092492
Dynamic scketching with peter han

yea i did watch this today thanks

>>2093431
I have nam now, I am squircles

>>2093376

I've been playing guitar for 10 years and I'm still waiting to get good (though I'm shooting really high with that), shit takes patience.

You gotta just think of it as something you'll do. Put the work in, but don't think about progress. Just keep doing the work, then at the end of every month or two/three/whatever, look back at everything you've gotten done.

Maybe a better example is running. I don't think about how far I'm going, how much weight I've lost, whatever. When it's time to run I just run, try to push myself, and do it again the next day or whatever. Then one day you notice you've jogged 5 miles instead of wheezing and dying before you hit 1. Your only concern is putting the work in, everything else will just fall in your lap along with that, you don't need to think about it.

Be more concerned with pushing yourself than with progressing. Progress is a result of pushing yourself, 'getting better' is not something you can actively do. Putting the work in IS the accomplishment.

>>2093376
post what you've drawn man

>>2093431
are you drawing with your mouse or something?

>>2093444
on my tablet. I am just shit.

>>2093444
>>2093431

He's going too slow and wobbling

>>2093447
yesterday I was told not to rush.

>>2093449
doesn't dynamic sketching with peter han specifically says do it as fast as possible?

>>2093449

It's all about finding the exact balance to make a clean line, and then building accuracy at that speed

>>2093452
it says find a balance I suppose, when he starts out drawing straight lines he says do too slow and you will wobble, do too fast and you wont go over properly.

I was trying the opposite of what I did yesterday.
see
>>2092477
these were my quick circles and they were less circular.

>>2093334
looks pretty good to me

I see all this actual art and I'm just here drawing Stands. Although I will ask, does anyone have any good resources for perspective, and another for reference when it come to limbs (legs, arms, hands, feet, proportions of said things, etc.) and the like? They are the things I struggle with most dominately. This is something I sketched up today just for an idea of my style and skill level ATM. Any help is appreciated!

>>2093535
Nice anatomy, also how long have you been studying this?

>>2093549
How do you mean by studying it? Sorry if I'm a bit dull to the terminology.

Haven't done anything in charcoal for quite some time. For some reason my RSI only applies to my tablet, so I guess it's full-time back to traditional media for me.

How's my drawing, Anon? Did i do something wrong? Currently i'am learning from Loomis's Fun With Pencil. 99 y/o

>>2093625
too good for loomis I think

>>2093625
I think you got it already. You should move on.

>>2093626
>>2093659
Thanks for your feedback, Anons. I'll try Expression section next time. 99 y/o

>>2093256
get back to work faggot, stop consuming shit

>>2093625
Not bad.
Try using those techniques to make a few original heads.

This makes me value gesture much more. Time to study some vipplu!

>>2093778
Construction seems like it should be split into two parts though. Theres a big difference between this on the top left (pic) and human anatomy plus those planes.

First drawing in a few months, but I like how this is turning out.. Feedback?

What kind of width dimensions would be good for a webcomic that is mobile-friendly?

>>2093798
1.38947589348953487957382287979532879532 x 2.032843285r093287509328509320958093259
inches

Already changed that God awful hand and forearm.

>>2093794
>>2093859
get an app to resize your pics

>>2093376
post your art
seriously I wanna see what drawing for 2 days is like

>>2093376
No, if you haven't made it within two whole days aka 48 hours (LOL) you never will.

How do I into perspective? If I draw a 3/4 view, it looks normal but drawing bottom to top view usually makes my shit looks weird.

GUYS
I'M DOING LOOMIS AND IT WORKS
IT WORK

I'M MAKING FUNNY HEAD EVERYWHERE AND THEY DON'T EVEN LOOK THAT BAD
HOLY SHIT

I MEAN, YES, IT'S BAD
BUT NOT -THAT- BAD

>>2094043
nice try, Loomis

>>2094006
Foreshortening

if you wanted to study/practice character design, what kind of practices are the best?

After watching ctrl paints videos on basic design, I studied some characters I thought had good designs and took in-detail notes but I feel like that's not enough.

>>2093272
I took 2 vitamin tablets..
I am so awake its like I can see into tomorrow
and I am still bad at arts. @-@

>>2094043
>tfw it'll be at least a month and a half before you get to loomis and his funny heads

Being a beginner is suffering.

>>2094117
What do you mean before you get to loomis? Isn't Loomis like the fucking beggining? Is there anything you ought to tackle before him?

I'm on pg 40~ (Fun with Pencil) atm. Apparently I should move onto Loomis - Drawing the head and hands, and anatomy, now?

>>2094124
nice! could you post something from when you started with it?

>>2094120
I'm still working through keys to drawing, it's slow going because the exercises are boring as hell and not what I want to be learning.
I can tell it's all shit I'll need though.

>>2091728
Going real real beginner here.
How much longer do I have to practice until I can draw perfect micro-circles shaped inside the larger circles?

>>2094180
Literally hundreds of pages in a sketch book should be filled with circles and straight lines. I'm serious, draw thousands of circles and lines until it's perfect

>>2094148
So yeah, anyone know if I just move on like the others are saying?

>>2094180
I was recommended this peter han video, it shows some exercises to do to get good before approaching circles.

but I think the technique applies to how you draw circles.
looks like you are doing it too fast to make sure the edges meet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3971zJW9VHI

draw good circles first, then get to quick circles.

>>2094197
Yes id say move on. Also. You dont belong in beginner thread.

>>2094124

Try moving on to 3D Forms. Boxes, spheres, pyramids, and shit like that. Then go do some still lives, get some fruit and bowls and objects around your house, set them up in some neat looking arrangement, shine a light on them, and draw what you see.

>>2094217
>>2094228
Ok, ty.

>>2093431
todays circes

comments? this is all i pretty much can do. I want to move onto drawing the body but it seems like people either say to draw a figure from scratch with measurements or find a photo and copy the gestures.

I'm waiting for Reiq (yeah i know but I liked this tutorials) to start his figure tutorial. He tweeted he was working no it a few weeks ago, now all he does is post cafe sketches no one cares about

>>2094317
honestly the way i got "better" at circles was by simply drawing more heads. Breaking it down to the basics I felt was good (I was initially working on facial features but I said fuck it and went back to drawing the basic head shape)

>>2094342
also yeah i didn't use an eraser because i'm lazy and don't want eraser bits all over my desk

>>2094342
cannot practice basics too much I think.
I tried to draw things with circles but they look off cos I cannot get the circle right.

its only been 3 days, im not complaining.

I found my loomis pdfs, made me want to draw a head. I don't expect to be good but its fun to do something that not circles.

hold on... its on my tablet... will post next

>>2094354
here is file drawn with mirror just cos if its shit why draw 2 halfs

I'm stuck here. Can't draw gesture of this pose

>>2094359

envision the curve of the spine and how the pelvis tilts and work from there

I know they don't look alike, but I suck too many dicks to pinpoint why

Oh fresh eyes of the beginner thread, please evaluate where I failed.

>>2094389
in the ref she's looking slightly up, and in yours she's looking straight at the viewer
I'd ease the lines between her teeth for sure, and get rid of the rightmost speck of tooth
lips might be less uncanny if you removed the line. blurring the nose lines might be helpful to give a more natural look where there's soft shadows.

I've been practicing negative spaces with sports photos and shit, the exercise from drawing on the right side of thebrain.

My drawings are still shit, should I keep practicing negative spaces until I become very accurate or should I move on?

>>2094389
lines make it look unrealistic, needs more value and shadows. like the teeth shouldnt have a thick line. teeth are never straight white also. give the eye brows more hair texture. blend the nostrils a little bit. zoom into the eyes and try to detail them. draw what you see not what you think you see.

>>2093376
even when your great youll want to kill yourself, because there will always be someone younger and better than you. you just got to keep practicing and ignore the cries in your head of killing yourself

Can I use SAI stabilizer 2+? Even PS feels much better than SAI with stabilizer 0-2

>>2094456
why not? most times I keep it at 3. can't even tell a difference until it's 10+.

Feedback would be nice before I continue. I've been having a lot of trouble with visual measuring and proportions.
One thing I did before I started, was mark up the original picture with some construction lines for the head and straight lines to trace out the shoulders and arms.

Oh shit there's a setting that simulates your brush running out of paint.

How do I effectively study art books?

>>2094728
Same way you study any other book. Read and re-read until you get it. Apply what you've learned. Did you learn anything? If yes, go on with the book. If no, re-read the material and try again.

>>2094649
where

>>2094527
I'm giving up on this for now.
This is making me so mad I can't even think straight.

>>2094766
What? At your level you should be producing at least 15 of these per day. Literally get that far (maybe a little further and focus more on construction), save it, and forget about them. Practice without dwelling on one little drawing that will mean nothing to you in a month's time after dozens more practice sessions. You need to produce a massive volume of work from practice sessions before this shit gets easy.

3 weeks ago to this day, I got some inspiration from ctrlpaint to do 1000 gesture drawings. (Pictured here, the best rendered one from the very beginning).

They are a mix of 1, 2, 5, and 10min drawings. I believe the top gesture is a 5er. All models are from new master academy. The final drawing is inc.

(Sorry for shit tier phone quality)

So now that my goal is complete , I feel lost. Where do I go from here? What should i work on? Where am I struggling? I liked the conviction that the regimented work gave me, but Im not sure just where I'm lacking.

>>2094774
foxdit how did you learn to paint?

I can't tell which way is better.
some people start with line art and then color, some people do the block-in thing.

idk which one to do.

>>2094921
It is incredibly fun to block in from scratch (especially after seeing Ruanjia doing it), but I'd advise against it as you'd be skipping the linework step, which is also practice for line control, perspective, construction, and gives you an easy way to see if your proportions are correct before going in for painting/rendering. Just keep linework as a separate layer and paint on a layer underneath it. Lower the linework layer's opacity as your painting comes to life, and eventually merge the two layers together and paint in your finished edges over the lines.

As for learning how to paint, go through ctrlpaint's entire free library, and if you know how to torrent, get the downloadable lessons as well. It'll help a ton.

Would you say listening to music while drawing enhances, detracts or does nothing to affect the outcome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyRkWSpagis

>>2094991
it distracts me to the point that I can't even draw and I just focus on the music.

Two days ago, I began carrying a sketchbook around me and started drawing just random things in real life. I draw gesture of people, and keep attempting to put in construction, but it so far looks bad cause I cant into anatomy yet. Its really tedious having to stop constantly to draw things. I wonder when im gonna burn out, I hope I wont completely ditch the sketchbook though.

Please r8 my circles. I've got a couple of pages of them

>>2094359
Here you go.
In gestures like this you emphasize forms through overlapping. Use wrapping lines to suggest said forms too.
And don't sweat the details. My gesture is missing the tit and her right knee, but what's important is suggesting the pose, not making a 1:1 reproduction. Does she look like she's crawling? Job done.

>>2094858
>what is this? a study for ants?

>>2094006
please into anatomy

>>2094858
>So now that my goal is complete
What the hell are you talking about
Legs, hands, head, proportions , gesture, scale are wrong. You did an outline without understanding of any forms, you gotta start from very beginning, from basic forms, from basic human proportions and landmarks.

Well, I shouldn't be posting here, because I'm not practising at all, but maybe someone will like my drawing of main character for my animation. I know I can't really draw, so all I do is putting some lines over and over so the viewert thinks he sees what he sees while it's just a bunch of lines. And the thing with the leg - it needs to be like that sadly because it's separate part that will be animated.

>>2095272
And here is other character that will be more focused during the animation. Thats why he seems to be more detailed.

2 minute gestures.

>>2092630
>first day on 4chan

>>2095268
>What the hell are you talking about
Anon set out to do 1000 gesture drawings, anon did 1000 gesture drawings.

The rest of your post stands, though.

Thoughts?

>>2095272
>>2095274
good thumbnail

>>2095284
there's something hilariously entertaining about your art. keep it up man

>>2095284
nice dick

You're applying perspective to a body in motion, that tilts and twists. That is wrong.
Loomis teaches you perspective for figures standing still, sitting still, etc. Basically, static figures.
So yeah, your shit looks whack, nigga.

>>2095284

You're not breaking the body down into shapes. That makes drawing it in perspective so much easier for a beginner. Try perspective with basic 3D objects first before you tackle drawing people in perspective.

I'm doing gestures as a warm up but somehow even though i slept enough i can't fuckin draw.
Should i just keep on or take a day free?

Some Hampton practice. Thoughts?

What is it about drawing heads in 3/4 that I can't get? I don't know, it doesn't feel right. I've been practicing all day yesterday, mainly on the heads and smoothing out my lines (which are much smoother than 3 days ago, I can draw a circular-ish circle now).

Female heads by the way, not trying for realism, more of a cartoony anime thing. Can someone please tell me everything I'm doing wrong? Thanks.

>>2095432
i am not a clever man. but i think you are not seeing the shape of the skull when you are draw.

you are using quick make head shape system badly and not really understanding why u use it.

here is what i see.

>>2095432
no comment on the heads other than that they all seem to be different people (ie not consistent)

if you have a doll, try putting its head in diff positions and draw it. having the thing right in front of you can help a lot. you can also take an egg and draw a face on it. should give you a general idea.

>>2095432
Learn basic head construction. Loomis. Or watch youtube videos on head construction, most of them use Loomis' method anyway.

>>2095453
stop giving advice pls

>>2095432
To draw the circle, try mark the center of the circle first, Anon. Then draw the circle around it.
Please try it, Anon. I want to know if this usefull or not.

I'm trying to make all of the circles round and hitting eachother's edges, also doing my best to close the circles, but if i go any slower it turns swiggly. Any advice?

Drawing animu for money is unreachable goal.

>>2092953
heres an update. i need some tips though. it seems like the clouds are really fucking empty. too empty. i mean is it really this easy?

So I checked out some more tutorials and Loomis. Am I getting better? Tell me what I need to mprove on. Also, how do I differentiate between female and male heads?

>>2095517
>Am I getting better?
Each second you spend drawing makes you better. You're building upon flawed knowledge though.
>Tell me what you need to improve on.
Stop reading Loomis, read perspective books.
>female and male heads
No difference in the heads. At least, not one you should even be worried about right now.
The difference comes from features.

>>2095514
Looks good to me. Where did you learn?

>>2095505
It's reachable. You're on your way.

i don't know what i'm doing

>>2095521
i just studied and git good. thanks!

Getting to a point where i'm getting fairly happy about parts of this one, but its still missing something, ideas?

>>2095542
It's looking nice but there are definitely a few suggestions that immediately came to mind. You could stand to vary the greens a little bit -- especially with relation to distance. The whole thing just feels too flat. Darker greens in foreground, lighter greens in the far distance would help pop the image.
The other thing is the Kiki. She draws the most focus for me in the image, yet she's the least interesting/well drawn out of all of them. Your Giant and Princess Monoke are much more pleasing. All in all though, it's good linework and a worthwhile piece.

How do I into tablet? Everything looks so dumb after paper and pencil. Also it lags. I mean, when I stroke fast enough it won't draw it properly. Is that normal?

>>2095557
which tablet? leg could be software issues, drivers, too many processes running.

>>2095542
looks like a clusterfuck with no clear focus or much thought for composition. random characters with little relation to eachother crowding the same space, seemingly added at random when you remembered a new anime character you wanted to draw.

>>2095559
Intuos pro M SE, just unwrapped it, don't have CD, so had to download drivers from wacom site, SAI, about processes - that should not be a problem I think, my computer can handle that.

circles for today, no improvments pretty depress

>>2095567
try update your graphics card river. also best to check talk manager to see whats running.
graphics brushes can lag. normal pens shouldn't.

>>2095573
>I meant task manager

>>2095573
ty I'll try to update them and reinstall wacom drivers
or maybe a culprit is win 8?

>>2095576
I doubt its the windows version. for what youre describing id check the support forum,
if its not a constant lag I don't know

>>2095584
It shows only when I'm drawing stuff lightning fast like I used to be when I was tradfag
like it can't keep up

>>2095549
Yeah, I havent done a whole lot about the "colors" as of yet, it was more of a way for myself to keep things apart, but yeah I will definitely take that into consideration! Also thanks, will try and do something about Kiki too!

>>2095562

Right you are good sir, I suck at compositions, I'll be the first to admit it, but hey, you gotta start somewhere.At any rate, thanks for the feedback.

>>2095571
Okay, I'm drawing the line (so to speak). Is this all you do? draw circles? Let's say you are building a tower, but you discover that you can't make it any higher without it collapsing. So you're stuck at a certain level (i.e. you're not getting any better at drawing circles), you go back to the base of the tower and build a bigger, stronger foundation, so that when you get back to where you were, the same issues/limitations are no longer present.

You need to study other art related fundamentals. You'll find that when you exercise your artistic mind-- stretch your horizons with other means of practice-- your skills at everything else will improve too. It has a ripple effect. Draw cubes from every angle. Draw cones. Study perspective. Draw hemispheres. Vary your practice.

>>2095521
Sorry, but I don't believe you.

>>2095592
Why not? You've got somewhat of a good understanding of forms and gesture. If you go more in-depth, you can draw animu shit and get paid for it for sure.

>>2095591
I post things
>>2094358
I ask things
>>2095401

I read things.
>Draw cones
cones require circles,
towers require bricks,
this is where im starting. im not half way up the tower. im at the first stage.
4th day drawing circles,
ive do it a couple of hours a day,
no improvement, its not going to happen that fast is it.

you need like 10,000 hours drawing time to get gud I read.

I feel like i suck today should i just take a day free or keep drawing?

>>2095599
What I am trying to say is that your circles will improve when you start trying to use them meaningfully. You don't need to master the circle to move on to drawing cones. Art is complementary in that when you practice a slightly more complex thing than you're used to, you get practice in all the basic underlying principles too. I'm not saying you shouldn't practice just drawing circles, I'm just saying don't feel like they need to be perfect before you can start practicing other things. Practicing other things that make use of circles is your ticket to getting better at them, is the thesis of my suggestion.

is the perspective on this right?

Okkay looks like I've dealt with this strange lag, it was pen and tablet in win8 interfering with inputs
Now has another woe: my active areia is quite nice, though I always shoot off the canvas
Can this be fixed or it's just practice that will grind it to dust?

I am with problems trying Hampton because the shapes for construction were not working good. I think I need more exemples.
I know basic perspective, my problem is with the construction of the body.

please rip my anus

GOD JESUS FUCK I CAN'T DO IT CHRIST WHY THE FUCK DID I THINK I COULD LEARN TO DRAW JESUS CHRIST I LITERALLY WANT TO KILL MYSELF

>>2095702
u don't even have an undersketch
wtf r u doing

>>2095712
Whats an undersketch?

>>2095702
putting all that detail in, you know you should have just marked it out in very light pencil first to make sure you got everything in the right place before you go putting details in.

>>2095668
are his eyes meant to be comically crossed?

>>2095716
You first mark out the basic proportions, locations, blocks et cetera where stuff goes. So for instance for the eyes, you first draw faint, basic circles, until you have the position and size just right.

In other word, you start with rough blocks that make up the "big ideas" in your drawing, and then you refine and refine.

If you start at a high level of detail like that without a strong undersketch first, you will never get a finished drawing that doesn't look like fuck (unless you already are master level) -- eyes will be slightly off, proportions will be slightly off, things will be skewed or sheared, et cetera. It makes your shit look uncanny AF.

Feedback for first timer with a tablet?

>>2095728
Andrew "Betty" Dodson: fun with how to right side of the brain

>>2095716
It's lightly drawing rudimentary shapes to plan out the form of a subject before adding the details.
Go over the sticky, it'll help with getting yourself started.

>>2095729
Will give it a look, thanks

>>2095615
what point are you aiming for exactly?

it looks like you wanted 3pt but it kinda fell all over the place.

also it this the whole picture? because i could be seeing it wrong.

>>2095728
Oh god. Why do i have a fetish for bad drawn girls?

>>2095755
>>2095668
oh never mind I'm retarded.

the perspective IS off, and the arm holding the sword looks like it shattered, the torso is very confusing to look at, the hand holding a fan is detached from the arm, the face obviously is a bit off and by your work it seems like you started with the head before moving to the rest of the body, and the lower half of the body is skewed to the left a bit hard.

overall, focus on the person before to zone out on things like swords and the like, work on foreshortening, and try to get a feel for the pose.

I'd anatomize this thing for you if my tablet wasn't busted.

Anyone have tips for understanding perspective better? This room took me a pretty long time to draw and it's just linework. Also wasn't sure about the two ellipses. I know the minor axis goes to the vp but I can't figure out which one. Some videos I watched has even the major axis going to the other vp but I thought the major axis wasn't important?

>>2092630
underage b&

>>2095779
Well that looks pretty decently correct to me, so I'd simply suggest more practice. You clearly get the concept despite it taking a long time for each line. Do 10 more of these and you'll get understand the lines to make much more quickly. You should also try to move the vanishing points further from each other, as the perspective is pretty warped on the right side (squares/rects become diamond shaped).

How do I into colors? Middle is what I painted first. Then I knew I fucked the skin up again so I played with the Levels modifier and stuff.

I think I get the basic idea but I do everything 10x too bright. Is there a way to just get it right everytime?

Good thing is I like how the hair turned out.

i have problems with the proportions. I mean sometimes i draw the rib cage to big and the pelvis to small or to far away. Should i use the 7-8 head format or something?

>>2095822
Search youtube for color tutorials, you'll find quite a bit. ctrl+paint also has a tutorial on color blending (in photoshop, but works the same anywhere) Quick critique:

- You're mostly just using shadows uniformly on the edges like a "frame" or "outline", when really you should spend more time thinking which parts of the face catch light and which catch shadow. For instance if the light comes from the top-left (which it appears to, in your case), the bottom left of the face should catch light, not be shadowed. Same with the left nose-hole, the part under the lips (why is there shadow there?) etc.
- The shadow should not be just a darker version of the skin color. But shadows and highlights need to have their own colors (as they always do in real-life.) A popular and "safe" choice is to use a warmish hue for the highlights and a blueish/cold hue for the shadows
- Blend in more blue into the skin color around mouth and below eyes, and put in more different colors in general to create variation
- some rimlight always pays off
- wtf is up with those eyes oh lord

>>2095834
> Should i use the 7-8 head format or something?
Yep, pick a proportion system and stick with it. Do it over and over until you memorize how the spacing and general size of the whole body looks. After you've done it enough you'll eventually get a feeling for whenever something is off
>head feels a little small/big
>ribcage feels too small
>spacing between head and clavicles is too big
>etc.

>>2095771
fug I knew the face was retarded but I thought I had the anatomy this time
I even studied bone structure before drawing this
I feel ashamed, I'm going to go back to the start again

>>2095822
>>2095838
Yeah I really need to work on contrast. It's like I'm afraid of picking colors that don't look enough like the midtone. At least I learned from it.

>>2095882
It helps to just take the image once you have basic shading done, and crank up the contrast/recolor it drastically.

I use the "color balance" filter in krita, and just mess around with the sliders. I almost always end up with something I like more than what I had before, although sometimes it just ends up being something psychedelic. Then continue painting from there.

>>2095882
Please forgive this unsolicited critique anon but I can't help myself.

I think at this point given the face you are working on, it would be more useful for you to work on your shading and coloring with basic shapes. That is a cube, a cylinder, a cone, a pyramid, a sphere etc.

This will provide you much more useful practice than what you are currently attempting.

Your face really needs a lot of work in the anatomy department to look better, you are still very much drawing symbols of a face. I think starting simpler will help you out much more at this point. But that is just me.

>>2095896
100% agreed, although sometimes it's fun to explore new stuff like painting just for the fun of it, even if that's not the optimal path for getting better as fast as possibe, and that's okay too. Keeping motivation up is at least as important as being efficient.

>>2095882
I did it again

The first time I've done anything visually artistic in my life with the goal to git gud. Contour drawing of my hand.

This is going to be hard :DDD

>>2094359 using this pic as ref

Different beginner fag here.
Been drawing for about 2.5 weeks now. How's this?

guys help
i'm a hack fraud and I don't know how to draw anything other than a loose and ugly interpretation of the edges of the surface, can't think in 3d. how do i use lines to do anything other than map out the 2d aspect? for example where her hair parts, how the fuck would you even begin to use pencil/sketch lines to represent that. pls help i don't want to be kill already.

this is my ref >>2063998

how the hell do you capture expressions like this in 60 seconds? Even if I had more time I wouldnt be able to, the expression feels so neutral its hard to capture unless it's a smile or something

>>2096138

>>2096147
>those curves
man how do you do shit like that? Like one in 30 lines I'll make will be that smooth and if it is it won't be where I want it to be.

>>2096147
damn you did pretty good, I think Ive got a better idea how to do this now

>>2096147
Define the upper lip a bit more, looks like a guy.

>>2096151
Let go of the stabilizer. Do the exercises from Dynamic Sketching with Peter Han, except on the tablet. Also do it on paper first.
Learn how to use the full range of motion the shoulder can give you.

I draw circles and curves as a warm-up, like this.

>>2096155
You're missing the point. It was only to capture the expression in as less time as possible.

>>2096155
1 minute exercise for expressions. He did okay and getting a female likeness wasn't needed.

>>2096138
Here's my take, Anon. I did it in +-5 minute. Just draw it, Anon.

Am I doing any of this right?

>>2096161
Great job Anon. But to answer your question. No. This's not right. They're front.

>>2096161
Man, you've been doing the same front poses since months ago. All of them busts, too.
Change it the fuck up for once.
And share your references.

>>2096138
this anon here, gave it an actual try, eyes are shit as usual. Always had trouble with them. My problem was that it felt impossible to capture the expression in 60 secs

>>2096170
just noticed the nose doesnt match up with the mouth, fml

>>2096170
It really isn't, but it's not something you should be able to do at this point anyway. Try taking your time for now, carefully constructing and measuring. It will eventually come naturally, trust me.

>>2096172
thanks anon, I feel more motivated now to keep drawing these faces

>>2096169
http://www.deviantart.com/art/Pose-refs-I-hands-and-face-413724447

>>2095417
pls respond

>>2096210
looks quite nice, although im not digging the boobs on the right one

>>2096157
This may sound dumb, but what is stabilizer?

>>2096214
If you use SAI or Manga Studio or I think Painter, they use a line smoothing technique called "stabilizing". It's basically simulated lag for your brush, and lets you draw things in a smooth way. Stabilizer scales with your CPU; if your CPU is fast then you get less stabilization even at high settings.
However, it's a crutch and should mostly be used for inking.

BUM LIMIT REACHED so new thread:

>>2096218

>>2096218

>>2096218

>>2096216
Thanks, is it on by default and how can I turn it off?

>>2096220
In SAI, it's on the bar at the top. Goes from 0 to S-7, set it to 0. If you find that too harsh you can set it to 3.
In Manga Studio it's on a brush-by-brush basis. Look at their settings.
Painter, I don't know. Haven't used it in a long while.

Honestly I recommend using MyPaint for sketching and exercises. It has an infinite canvas and good brushes, plus no stabilization.

>>2096224
Many thanks man! I'll try mypaint, infinite canvas sounds nice.

>>2096226
I second mypaint if you want the infinite canvas and a pure, painterly experience. Most of the brushes it has are designed by David Revoy, and they're pretty fantastic.

Although if you're ready for something a bit more advanced, also give krita a shot. MyPaint only gets updated versions for linux these days, I don't think they are updating the windows version anymore (or at least they are lagging far behind). It also lacks a lot of features that can be very useful. Krita is free just like mypaint and has all the features mypaint has (including a semi-infinite canvas), and doesn't have these issues -- but the UI is a bit more complicated.