/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I shouldn't need to explain why in any creative or exertive pursuit warmups are important.

And what may seem "equally amazing" to your eyes at your level isn't to the artist's at their level.

A warm up exercises is exactly what it says on the tin: an excercise to warm up with.

What you're descrigin however is the result of:

1. people only show you their best stuff, and

2. calling it a 'warm up doodle' is nothing more than an attempt at deflecting criticism.

>you either draw well or don't.

That's not how it works. Not sure what else to tell you really. If you were an artist yourself you'd know that it always takes some time to get back into it. Your first drawings of the day will always be worse than those you do immediately after ~20 minutes of warm up drawings.

Warm up doodles are just that - doodles to warm up. Since only the unusually good ones would get posted online, you're unintentionally conditioned to believe that all their warm up doodles are that good.

For a professional, guaranteeing a good piece of art necessitates a lot of planning and research. Instead of jumping into something like that at the start of your day, you can sketch and doodle whatever comes to you and see what happens.

I'm no professional, but even I've made warm up sketches that I liked enough to give a little polish and post online. Other times the polished warm up sketch ends up being a preliminary to a better painting after going back and figuring out composition, values, color, etc with a clearer idea in mind.

>>2085328
>That's not how it works
Yes, unfortunately for some, that's how it does in fact work. Drawing is as much a physical act as it is a mental one. It requires a unique agility with a unique focus. This synergy can't be learned. It can only be honed. You got to have the right mix in order to do it well.

Most people suck and will forever suck because they can't or they won't harmonize themselves to draw well. A harmonized artist is the one who just picks up the pencil and does well from the get go. They don't practice, they explore. And it's with that exploration they grow. They don't just become better skilled, they become a better artist altogether. Art isn't a routine, it's not a regiment, it's a dance, it's an improvised performance.

All that stuff your art teacher told you about loosening up, letting go, feeling it, expressing your self, was aimed at harmonizing you. Those who call that stuff bullshit will never become great artists. And most will learn that sad fact the hard way.

>>2085341
you made my day rolf

>>2085347
Wanna good laugh? Post your work.

>>2085341
>Art isn't a routine, it's not a regiment, it's a dance
Yeah because dancers don't routinely practice dance fundamentals every fucking day till they either git really fucking gud or fuck their legs and starve, right?

>>2085352
>practice =/= explore
> better skills =/= better artist altogether
> dance as example of no routine, training regime
> vague stuff to replace de lack of inteligible explanation

dude, you could become a theologist

false dichotomyies r so funny
language bitching

>>2085354
>>2085356
Please post your work i'll be more than happy to show exactly why you suck and will forever suck.

you should face the act of thinking as a dance, "feel it", express your self! it doesn't matter only you get what you're saying if you "feel harmonized"

>>2085352
>>2085360
You're the one making outlandish claims. You post your work.

>>2085360
>>2085364

Weclome to /ic/, where either you post your work, or you suck. Scratch that; and you suck.

>>2085366
It seems that d/ic/k size validates arguments, it's kinda funny, that dude doesn't get he's fighting against his own imaginary windmills

This is literally one of the dumbest fucking threads I've ever seen on this board.

Congratulations.

>>2085364
>>2085366
You don't believe what I'm saying
I'm offering an opportunity to demonstrate it
Post your work, post your studies, post your "practice"

>>2085418
there you go, maybe your preaching is helpful
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>>2085434
Are those yours?

>>2085450

want it full rez or what?
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>>2085472
>>2085481
If want to post full rez to prove those really are yours, then yes.

But assuming those really are yours I'll need you to answer a few questions. First question:

What was the focus when you were studying these paintings?

last pic is arleady a cut of full resolution, it's cutted to avoid being annoying

>>2085490
to learn how to use values, perspective, color palete, because I'm suffering way too much while painting from imagination

special focus on faces cuz I get boring out of the faces, as it's also viewer focal point

>>2085499
>special focus on faces
What you need to focus on is proportions. Your figure looks stretched and not in a good way.

>>2085499
If you want to be serious about this I suggest you stop lying to me.

You changed your approach between these two paintings. They have a different building (not talking about construction), your layering of color changed, your editing changed, and your strokes changed in some areas.

Values, perspective, color, those are vague things just like imagination. Those things are only auxiliary assumptions, they don't pertain directly to the problem you really have.

So I'm going to ask one more time what was your focus in each?

>>2085373

What did you expect. You get a fuck ton of autistic NEETs who are too literal minded to understand creatively. Instead of wanting to create something these guys grind studies and figure drawings because its just another time sink that they can aruge is more constructive than playing vidya or watching anime all day.

>>2085532
at first one i used few color pickings to make a starter palete, at second pic I didnt at all, not even used color wheel cuz I cannot install it (ftl), so it's been done a lot slower

Focus on both is to do something challenging because I never paint and these references are a pretty good excuse to do so, these are 2 of few more study attempts I did today and droped away

also both references are quite different, on the right the final goall is to make it smooth , while the other was done edgy on purpose, cuz it was a rush

>>2085538
>Instead of wanting to create something these guys grind studies and figure drawings
Man you sound retarded.

What do you think is the point of doing studies? If someone wanted to create (aesthetically pleasing) characters they would need to do figure studies (to learn how the body looks, which allows for possibilities to invent) , cloth studies (to put different types of clothes convincingly on the body), material studies (putting armor, leather, fur, etc on body), perspective studies (being able to put a 3D object on the canvas), value studies (gotta learn to shade the character), color studies(learning to paint) and so on.

You literally have no idea why people do these studies.

> Instead of wanting to create something these guys grind studies and figure drawings because
The artists that take this craft seriously do these studies to improve their work, real or imagined. From your post its clear you don't draw or paint jack shit.

>>2085538
I don't do studies frequently, hope I would as I should be doing, I'm not anything near autistic, I understand what that dude said even better than himself, thats why I'm pointing out why it's full retarded, because he's polarizing for free

most the time I DO exercice from imagination and not just 2D copying

>>2085313
Hmm, when i usually warm up, i usually do a value scales, couple of quick observations sketches, and a couple of doodles. i usually do it when I go more then 6hr+ in between like sessions. its gets me into the mindset.


>>2085341
Even though I agree with you, I still think you're a pretentious faggot.

>>2085542
You're either beating around the bush or you're doing things you're not aware of. Or you just don't know enough about this stuff to know what to focus on and are only going off of conventions you briefly know about.

What was so challenging about them? What made you think you were up for the challenge? How were those referenced paintings different from each other? What made one goal smooth and the other "edgy"?

If you can answer those maybe we can finally get somewhere that can start to look like real answers.

A friend of mine reached photorealism in just a year from shit tier and still is shit tier out of copying 2D images in front of him, he can not even remix different things to make his own things, I know that's not the way to go, but meh, neither "dancing" as a fucking hippie

>>2085560
>I don't do studies frequently,
of course not you're still too intoxicated from your last happy-accident to be serious about all this

>>2085562
>What was so challenging about them?
oh god, rlly? u gotta look, understand and reproduce what you see to make the ilusion of the image, if you fail at looking, understanding and reproducing, there will be no visual ilusion
>wanna git gud doing ilusions?
>practice doing ilusions. If you do, it add up. Point.

>What made you think you were up for the challenge?
Why did the duck cross the road?

>>2085560
Agree on that, learnin to draw takes more than folowing orders in books and copying stuff like a mindlesd drone

>>2085571
happy accident?
intoxicated?
am I not serious?

whatever you say xD

>>2085313
Well, normally a warm up drawing is just a throwaway picture that someone creates to get them "in the zone". Every artist has good days and bad days, even if they can manage to make something look "good", It might not be up to their standards.

however, a lot of the time people will call their unpolished work a "warmup drawing" to preemptively defend themselves from critique or make it sound as though if they were really trying it could be much better.

>>2085592
You can't even see what makes the illusion, let alone how those things fit together. If you did you would have known exactly what it was you were focusing on. You would have known what the challenge was all about, and what exactly about you it would have challenged.

Neither of your paintings have the unique character and integrity that were also in the original. No one here is experiencing your studies the way you intended. Nothing about them communicates a personal struggle with the process you went through. That's why there is no unique character to them. (My money says you were still fucking around in Photoshop and were worried about looking like a fool.)

Instead you relied on vague notions and lied about trying to understanding value, color, and perspective. And when pressed all you had to offer was that the original paintings made an impression on you. And now you can't even be bothered to explain why.

The only thing you been right about is that slight worry you don't know enough just yet. The sad thing is you're too full of yourself to really face up to that. So instead you run off and hide in conventions and superficial applauds.

And that's why you suck and will always suck.

>>2085638
>no constructive criticism, every assumption

heyy it's IC's MO

>>2085638
If I had better criteria of course I would have done it better, it's cause-effect, that's the previous steps of doing high quality, that's the point of practicing.

Of course neither of them are close to original within just a few hours sitting

I made mistakes, that's the point of practicing, to make mistakes, realice them and fix these next time, to improve. That's different from lying, you fool.

Only full-retarded people confuse lyes with mistakes. Burn this in your brain if you still got it.

Of course I'm full of myself, just because I can face all kind of critic, even if some facts are mixed with prejudices against my person as your. If you think I can invest my time on better challenges, you should dare to show me. I dont demand you to share your own practices, but just an example of how to do it properly, so I move on, if there really is anything to learn in the first place

>And that's why you suck and will always suck.
guess who is intoxicated of himself and also toxic to other people on the internet, lol, you'll be proud, dick

>>2085638
>And that's why you suck and will always suck.

>>2085694

fuck off to tumblr with your feel good bullshit, we're here for the god's honest truth. if you need to spout touchy-feely bullshit to be able to draw then you'll never make it. real artists are broken down to tears from the old masters and only then you can improve from years of dedicated study, and ONLY dedicated study. None of your "come check out my warmup drawings xD like and reblog" bullshit is helping and fuck you for even thinking its anything other than puerile filth that needs to be purged from the art world.

>>2085562
>you're doing things you're not aware of.
What in the world

>>2085711
I dont use tumblr, just saw that movie today lol
I don't ask for reblogs, I dont need fans, I dont paint/draw for warm ups, calm your prejudges

you still gotta post your art :)

PD: you still mixing concepts and polarizing, to warm up and to swank are diferent things

>>2085681
>If I had better criteria of course I would have done it better
You don't and you never will because all you do is categorizes things into the making of art. That's the cause and your art is the effect.

> neither of them are close to original within just a few hours sitting
Never said they had to be, only said they lack character and integrity or didn't show a personal struggle with the challenge. And the fact that you're putting a timer to the process tells me you had other things on your mind that you weren't telling. (So I was right about you lying)

>just because I can face all kind of critic
And yet you won't face your own ignorance, hm.

Let's suppose you submit your work to a studio, a juried show, a private gallery, whatever. And your work was judged on it's merits. And the person(s) judging your work said, "This artist knows value, color, perspective, etc" What would make your art any different from the other artists that knew the same things? What merits would your art, and your art alone, actually have.

You suck and will always suck because you're unfit to be an artist. You can't think like an artist. You think in categories and steps without any divergent thought. All your work looks bland, lifeless, and un-unique, simply because you have inhibitions towards understanding intuitive and expressive responses.

You suck and will always suck because you lack harmony. You're not an artist and you never will be. The best you can hope for is being just another faceless illustrator on the internet working somewhere small.

>>2085711
tfw someone based their art ideals on hollywood

>>2085341
This sounds very new age-y. Drawing is very physical, so just like any other physical activity, it's a good idea to start with some small exercises to prepare for larger projects, not just to help plan the project and work out potential kinks, but also to prevent very real injury that can occur.
In fact I'm gonna do some warm ups right now.
>>2085354
Also dancers never do stretches or warm ups either, they just hop out of bed and launch into Beyonce's latest routine without pulling a muscle ever. They're just talented like that.

>>2085733
>Also dancers never do stretches or warm ups either, they just hop out of bed and launch into Beyonce's latest routine without pulling a muscle ever. They're just talented like that.

It's supposed to be a mix of deliberate practice and a the ability to be creative and "wing it" based on your experience and learned intuition that only comes from actually dancing, which exercises and practice won't teach you. Honestly the dance example is shitty and a better example would be something like playing sports or playing music.

>>2085743
>a better example would be something like playing sports or playing music.
Both of which still require warming up.
EVERY athlete will tell you they do stretches, they jog, they do various warm ups before playing so they don't injure themselves.
EVERY musician will tell you the same. You ever show up at a bar or something where there's a live band, or you get backstage early acces to a concert, you will see the drummer doing exercises, same thing with anyone who plays the piano, and especially the singers.
The idea that any artist who does warm ups is some kind of fraud is ridiculous, warm ups are not only a perfectly legitimate part of creating, they're actually prudent.

>>2085750

Oh yeah, of course. You need to do warm ups before you start going for a full grind, you need dedicate time for study and deliberate practice, and you need to let loose and draw so you can get some experience and intuition that study won't necessarily teach you.

>>2085759
So what you're saying is doing warm-ups doesn't teach you as much as experimenting or studying?
Duh.
Warm ups aren't for that. They're literally to limber up your muscles and get your creative mind working, so that you can go and do studies or experimenting or finished pieces.
So I don't get what this whole railing against warm ups and saying 'if you do them you suck and always will' is all about.

>>2085786

You can sort of combine warm ups and experimentation. Only real kind of warm ups that don't involve some sort of experimentation is shit like stretching and drawing a bunch of circles and ovals.

>>2085818
Okay, so how exactly does doing either warm ups with experimentation or keeping them strictly to basic warm ups and doing experimentation later, translate to "you suck and always will"? Inkers more often than not do strictly basic line exercises to warm up for inking, yes there are times when they'll experiment with splatters and different brushes and different things they can do, but 90% of the time when they sit down to ink something they just do some basic warm ups then get to work. Are you saying they're hacks for doing that? This is something I've been told and shown personally by Rich Friend and Michael Golden, and I would really love for you to tell me either one of them are hacks.
http://blasterkid.deviantart.com/art/Long-Beach-Comic-Con-484729799

>>2085852

Not that anon, boss. Keep your assblast in your pants.

>this entire thread

kek

>post your art so your argument is invalid
>dont post so it wont too
>no constructive critic, not any examples of doing it better, not any clarity of confusing concepts
>he dont dare to post his art, just being a dick about two practices going on
>never again play this nonsense

>>2086169
Forgot
>no refutatkln at all
>no arguments behind his proposals
>one clear thing, next time gonna dance to warm up kek

>>2086169
>>2086172
what thread were you reading?
it sure wasn't this one

>>2086178
yep, and vague stuff is uninteligible
and prejudges are prejudges

reading it again makes it even useless

>>2085729
>>2085638
>>2085562
>>2085532
>>2085360
>>2085341

you are either an pretentious fine art student or even worst, a teacher to such a school... which is sad

>>2086193
I also thought that lol

>>2085341

people who deny that your lines become more precise and smoother after a couple of rapid sketches and blood flowing in your hands is a fucking idiot. which it seems you are.

It's the same as a "warm-up" anything.
It's a fast little practice to make sure you do it right when it counts.

>>2085360
>post your work

the #1 tool of an /ic/ shit poster

>>2085341
>Art isn't a routine, it's not a regiment, it's a dance, it's an improvised performance.

Cool. but dancers warm up too.

>>2086189
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>>2086207
>>2086250
>>2086271
>butt blasted ass mad

>>2086321
If virtually everyone calls you out for being an idiot, chances are the problem isn't the people calling you out, but that you really are an idiot.

>>2085341
I agree with a lot you've said but you are still a huge faggot.

>>2086324
Well since you're everybody today and you're this upset maybe it's because I did hit upon something. That should tell you that maybe you should think more about your side of the argument.

>>2086271
Dancers improvise and explore when they practice. They struggle with making the movement have a certian expressivness that they are after. Anybody can dance, kicking one foot in front of the other. But it's the dancer who becomes artfully expressive with it. The dancer puts life into the dance. They hone the performance until it dazzles the audience. That takes a unique predisposition to pull that off.

Good dancers, great dancers even, are harmonized artists. They have the right balance of skill and expressiveness.

>>2086329
>all this damage control

lmao looks like you just got btfo when someone posted their work

Hide behind psychobabble and "muh real artists" all you want anon, it wont make you any better.

>>2086352
You appear to be the one on damage control here.

>>2086359
>n-no y-you r

kek

>>2086362
>replying with this weak ass meme

>>2086368
>implying post ur work is any better

>>2086378

Post your work is a good idea in theory to get someone to put up or shut up, but in practice it's just another troll deflection tactic.

Really the best way to get idiots to put up or shut up is to hand them a mic and podium, so either they'll back out because they were trolling and didn't mean what they said or they'll keep the retardation train chugging along so that everyone can laugh at him and his stupid uneducated opinions. Too bad that would require people here to understand shit and not actually buy into their stupid bullshit.

>>2086381
>put up or shut up
It wasn't about "put up or shut up." Not sure how that even came up in thread. It was about demonstrating the points with someone's work, someone who disagreed that any art making takes a certain balance of skillfulness and expressiveness.

Band wagon trolling will always happens when the status quo is challenged. When it does, oh well!

>>2086341
I didn't know we have dance experts here.

>>2086390
>It wasn't about "put up or shut up." Not sure how that even came up in thread.
Not sure, even though you went "post your work and I'll tell you why you suck" for 3 posts in a row. You're completely full of shit. You string together a bunch of nonsense words to "explain" the nonsensical idea that warming up to draw is bad which is indefensible, as anyone who's ever had wrist pain knows. Tons of top tier pro artists post warm ups all the time. You then claim to show how warm ups made the one guys art bad by stating your opinions and more non-speak as if any of it is fact.
You're a troll, and I hope nobody else replies to you.

>>2086396
>had
"We" need to have better grammar.

>>2086411

I wasn't talking about warmups.

>Not sure, even though you went "post your work and I'll tell you why you suck" for 3 posts in a row. You're completely full of shit.
Yeah, no. That's not the same thing as "put up or shut up" which is about competition. I stated that if they showed me their work I could demonstrate my claims in their work. And I did.

>You string together a bunch of nonsense words
Oh? Like what? I hope you don't mean the concepts of expressiveness, character, integrity, or other words such as those. That would be really depressing that you didn't comprehend what I was talking about. My fault I guess.

>nonsensical idea that warming up to draw is bad
What are you talking about? I never said that. I was talking about something completely different. I was talking about having harmony between skill and expression. I was saying a predisposition of that balance is required to be an artist. And i said that you either have it or you don't.

The only thing I every said about warmups is that artists don't really do them. They explore. They grow. They practice. They study. They don't warm-up because they are never out of practice.

>You then claim to show how warm ups made the one guys art bad by stating your opinions and more non-speak as if any of it is fact.
You've must read a different thread. My claims were about how being disharmonious affects the artwork. There was no vitality in the work simply because there was no harmony in the artist. There was no balance. And the continuing denial of the expressive and intuitive side was all the more reason the anon would forever suck.

>You're a troll, and I hope nobody else replies to you.
Good! Why should I reply to anyone who didn't actually read what I posted?

>>2086411
>Tons of top tier pro artists post warm ups all the time.
Post them

>>2086413

I didn't know we have faggots here, oh wait no I did.

>>2085341
This is cute, it reminds me of my hippy/pothead ex.

>>2086341
Yeah, that's great and all. They still warm up though. The better the dancer and the more skillful and athletic their choreography, the more time they spend on warming up. Are you a bit slow in the head or something or have you forgotten what you were originally arguing about in the first place? (warm-up not being necessary)

>>2086449
> What are you talking about? I never said that. I was talking about having harmony between skill and expression

No one was asking you for your opinion about harmony between skill and expression though. The topic of this thread is about whether or not warming up is necessary. Stop talking about dancers you autistic fuck.

>>2086519
>No one was asking you for your opinion about harmony between skill and expression though.
Too bad. I'm giving it anyway.

>The topic of this thread is about whether or not warming up is necessary.
And then it changed on >you either draw well or don't.
Where have you been?

>>2086539
>And then it changed on >you either draw well or don't.
You can't just take it out of context to make it work with the nonsense you've been spouting. The line of the OP is "It doesnt sound like there is a point in doing it since you either draw well or don't" there isn't even punctuation or any break there that gives a reason for you to just remove the "you draw well or you don't" part from the "point of doing warm ups" context, why are you trying to do that?
The person who responded "it doesn't work that way" wasn't referring to just "you draw well or not" they were saying warming up has nothing to do with your skill level, it's just a way of preparing to draw and can help your drawings that day flow more easily, it doesn't make you better or worse on its own, just makes things easier. But you turned it into a debate over whatever else outside of what everyone else thought this thread was about discussing, which is warming up.

>make thread then leave after first 4 posts
>come back later
>butthurt artists aruing over creativity and other wishy washy art shit
Jesus christ i just wanted to know if warm ups were necessary for making a better drawing and not just art school bs.

>>2086539
>>2086547
And adding to that, you said:
>>2085341
>A harmonized artist is the one who just picks up the pencil and does well from the get go
That "does well from the get go" bit definitely seems to imply you think someone should be drawing at their best from the moment they pick up a pencil, and since everyone else understands the context here to be the necessity of warming up, it sounds like you were saying warming up before starting to draw means you're not "harmonized" and therefore they suck. And since you said "does well from the get go" I think you were fully aware of and were referring specifically to the context of warming up, and I think you're only trying to separate them now because of course the position that warming up means you can't really draw is ridiculous.

>>2086567
you should have said anything, he's coming for you now

>>2086512
That's cute. If you want to change subjects because you got nothing to refute with, I can play along.

What do artists actually "warmup" though? I can understand a student who is lazy and doesn't draw much outside of class needing to do "warmups." Or some unhealthy hobbyist, who loafs more in front of a screen then standing at an easel, needing to "warmup." But an artist who is an artist every day, what exactly are they "warming up"?

Or Perhaps it's just the medium that requires the "warmup". In a Q&A session hosted by Stan Prokopenko, artist Marshall Vandruff remarked that when doing pen and ink drawings artist would sometimes "warmup" making lines off to the side of the drawing. He added however that more controlling mediums hardly ever need warming up for.

http://www.proko.com/hangout3/

But brushing lines off to the side of the drawing doesn't sound like what a "warmup" is traditionally implied to be--something to get the blood flowing. That kind of brushwork sounds more like tempering the brush and hand. And it's done through out the drawing. So it's not like how a "warmup" is traditionally thought of to be, done before the big work and then left alone.

Fun fact:
Stretching, which is considered a "warmup" for dancers, choreographers, an athletes, isn't necessarily a good idea all the time. In a NY Times blog article it suggested to "warmup" dynamically, to use muscles that will be needed for the performance. But if all a dancer really needs to do is to dance to "warmup", how exactly does that distinguish it from just practicing?

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/03/reasons-not-to-stretch/?_r=0

>>2086480
Lesean Thomas - http://leseanthomas.com/miscellaneous/rise-n-shine-warmups/
Joe Madureira - https://www.pinterest.com/pin/559924166147959534/
Jim Lee - https://instagram.com/p/wF_ldqn9X-/?taken-by=jimleeart
https://instagram.com/p/wGEsTTn9fA/?taken-by=jimleeart
Ron Lemen - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy0zeBxE1pA
I mostly only know comic book guys because that's what I'm into but I think this gets the point across.
Everyone does warm ups, and a lot of people share them. They're a great way to get ready for longer pieces as well as a way to experiment or just brush up on anatomy or other techniques you plan to use.

>>2086582
Warming up IS practicing, you're the only one who tried to say it has no practical use.
And that example about stretching still doesn't work in your defense. "Some warm ups aren't as good as others or aren't good if you over-use them" isn't the same as "warming up altogether is pointless so don't do it".
My niece did ballet and interpretive dance throughout high school at the nearby college, and she would always be doing stretches and miniature or slowed down versions of moves, or maybe just plain jogging or jumping jacks to get warmed up before she would go into trying to do big leaps and full choreography so that she wouldn't end up spraining or pulling something.
I realize this is the internet, and worse yet 4chan, so you can never admit that you're wrong and are talking out of your ass about practically everything you've said, but just know that we all know that to be the case.

>>2086583
>I mostly only know comic book guys because that's what I'm into

1. Those aren't actually "warmups" though. What exactly are they "warming up". They draw for a living. If anything it looks more like they're playing and exploring. And has I already said those things aren't a "warmup"

2. These all seem like posts for the fans, kids who want to draw like their heroes. Kids who probably don't draw all the time because there too busy being a kid. And so a "warmup" is encouraged to get them into the habit of drawing routinely.

3. I think you need to expand your horizons first before you continue advocating "warmups" to be necessary for everyone. Comic artist usually aren't well educated artist.

4. Also you need to clarify what "warmup" means. You're confusing it with studying and experimentation. If you think thise are interchangeable, well then how do you "warmup" for those "warmups"?

>>2086589
>Warming up IS practicing
No it's not. Practicing is just what is. If "warming up" is practicing then how do you "warmup" to practice without practicing? Or does practicing a.k.a " warming up" not require any "warming up"? If that's the case then it's not true that "warm ups" are necessary.

>"warming up altogether is pointless so don't do it".
Where was that ever said?

>so you can never admit that you're wrong
It's sounds more like you're the one having problems in that department. Look at you. You're upset over somebody bashing "warm ups" in drawing. Rather than having a meaningful discussion you just want to prove somebody wrong.

Well, good luck with that.

So guys, what exactly IS an art warm up?

Don't tell be this thread just ended up as some fucking retarded pro/anti skub shit flinging contest over something utterly pointless and inconsequential.

>>2086593
>>2086605
You're either a moron or a master troll, either way I'm done with you.
>>2086567
Anon, warming up is a very helpful tool, unlike the tool who thinks he's been speaking against the very thing he's been pushing. A warm up can be as simple as practicing strokes and lines, to doing a small study, hell even tracing something can be a warm up - it's just a way to limber up your muscles, refresh your memory, and help you start thinking in shapes and gestures. In fact many artists do 30 second-1minute gesture drawings as a way of warming up. It's not mandatory, but it IS very helpful. You can use warming up to experiment, like you see in the Joe Mad example I posted - it wasn't just him getting ready to draw something more complex, he was also fleshing out an idea.
So tldr, warming up helps your drawings flow better and helps you prevent tendonitis. Good luck to you.

>>2086611
>what exactly IS an art warm up?
See the bottom half of >>2086613

>>2085328
>thats not how it works
It kinda does. You can do as many "warm ups" as you want before "doing it for real" but if your skill level is still pretty low, you'll only be polishing a turd.

>>2086637
Please learn reading comprehension.
They could have phrased it better but they're saying thinking of warming up as having to do with how skilled you are isn't the right way to think of it (therefore "that's not how it works"). They're saying no matter your skill level, you draw better after warming up.

>>2086642
>They're saying no matter your skill level, you draw better after warming up.
Which is not the case for all artists, but whatever.

>>2086613
>warming up helps your drawings flow better

Drawing helps drawing flow better. What else could? If you're already drawing, then what's a "warmup"? Aren't "warmups" suppose to "warm you up" to do drawings. And if "warmups" are suppose to get you into the flow then how does it explain the fact your most flowing lines are usually the earlier ones and your later lines aren't? That would make "warmups" miss your window of really flowing lines.

"Warmups" seem to be supported here by superstition. If you don't do them, you'll do bad. And yet there is no defining it that distinguishes it from just going at it and drawing.

And I'm the moron/troll here?

>and helps you prevent tendonitis.

If you get tendonitis or some kind of RSI from doing art, well that's just pathetic. If you're leading such a unhealthy lifestyle and are continuously using art materials in an unhealthy way then I guess "warmup" would be necessary. (And anon said I couldn't admit I was wrong)

I'm not a health physician, but I would think having a healthier lifestyle to begin with might better prevent tendonitis. Again, if your art making is physically hurting you then you're doing something wrong.

>>2086637
>You can do as many "warm ups" as you want before but if your skill level is still pretty low, you'll only be polishing a turd.
So a "warm up" is polishing a turds before you actual polish a turd "for real"? I mean since the "warm up" gets you ready to do the "real thing" it must be because "warm ups" lift your skills to a higher level so as to be ready for "doing it for real".

>artists don't do warm-ups
I want to die

>>2086651
So when are we going to see your art? Since you can draw a full on masterpiece start to finish, without any preparation, all in one go, you must be really, really good. Are you Kim Jung Gi??

>>2086667
No, he's clearly Chumbum

>>2086662
I know right?

I do Craig Mulling stretches before I start painting. Occasionally I'll do some Kim Jung GI calisthenic before drawing.

Have you tried any of the Jaime Jones aerobics? I heard they're good but they don't really get you good, you know.

What do you do for cool downs? I can't really find anything on them. But I heard they are just as important as warm ups.

>>2085560
That's a nice Ruto right there