/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2079174
I have a critique.
You can't draw and you hide it with abstract 2artsy4me meaningless curves and splatters

Primary drawings from natural history musuem. Forget to mention structure is the open theme and collective consciousness is the specific chosen theme.

Wired iris on a mushroom cap. Acrylics and ink.

>>2079179
Thanks. this is an explorative course that I am on. Loose, blind, wrong handed drawings, continuous line and very quick rubbish sketches is part of the criteria.

Ammonites and nautilus and some random animals. Colour and texture extension from musuem drawings.

>>2079174
What kind of critiques are you looking for?

Are these images meant to accompany a written thesis, or are they meant to stand alone?

If the former, what is the general content of your thesis?

>>2079181

I dig dat goat

>>2079197
there are notes to go along side this art as the project is suppost to be somewhat of an explorative journey of ideas. My course is not pathway specific yet so everything is kinda open. The general concept is suppost to be exploring structures in Physical conscious entities and the finishing point is going to be somewhat of an amalgamation of these studies- combining the language elements of different pieces of research based on organic structures. Writing isnt a massive part of it- its my first year of college so nothing is too complicated just yet. Hope that somewhat clears it up.

>>2079201
Springbok gracefully appreciates your appreciation.

Some eyes.

>>2079197
Oh I also forgot. The critiques im looking for are pretty much technical but my evaluation can be pretty open. So anything really. Any advice for contextuals would be appreciated also.

>>2079206
>>2079220
OK, for exploratory works I think these are pretty interesting. The reason I asked is that without any context, you get comments like >>2079179 above.

>>2079174
First impression is that they seem to lack direction. I see hints of a nautilus shape (which your other image confirmed), but really vaguely. If you were going for a chaotic/abstract look, remember that an image can be chaotic without being haphazard (uncontrolled).

>>2079181
These are much more interesting and it's clear you can draw. Even if realism may not be your goal, purposeful strokes like these communicate a lot. The tiny drawings on the right are very beautiful. I think if you did a bunch of drawings like these following your theme, it would be awesome. Also, maybe look at some Leonardo da Vinci drawings for inspiration.

>>2079258
Thank you for the response. it was insightful. I didnt pay much attention to those little drawings so im going to look at those for some pattern work- I see some potential taking them in that direction. OP is the very first visual response to 'structure of consciousness' but now that you mention it it would be useful to try to link this to physical real forms and tighten the drawing up a bit. And thanks for the nice words It was encouraging

Some faces exploring colour and mark making.

>>2079206
I'm really trying to understand your words but I'm struggling.
>exploring structures in Physical conscious entities
>combining the language elements of different pieces of research based on organic structures

Are you exploring common patterns in organic structures around you? So for example, you want to show how there is a common pattern in the back of the armadillo(?) here >>2079181 (creature beneath the lizard and above the goat) and the shell of a nautilus? -- not necessarily in reality but in your visual perception

I think I could give a general, objective crit on the technical side of the drawings, but I am still a bit confused about what you are trying to accomplish and what the project is supposed to be. This is going to be graded, right? Then, what will your professor base his/her grade on?

>>2079708
Yeah the project is about connections in visual perception of different living things. later im also going to attempt to abstract the form of all these creatures so that they lose a sense of identity through abstraction and pattern-the goal is to represent them as a collective- but the project is on going atm- my project has to have on going evaluation about what technicalities worked and didnt work. But yeah, im thinking at the very end im going to create circular patterns with the forms of animals, hands and faces And perhaps applying texture and color and direction of naturally round organic matter like mushroom caps and eyeballs. additionally- the style of drawing is on purpose to deliberately represent the sculptural 3 dimensional planes of the forms to exaggerate that this is the physical form- but the looseness and scribblyness is meant to be a projection of how thought and subconsciousness flow within these creatures. The project isnt head on the most straight forward thing for me right now because I went overboard with a complicated concept but im working through it. I've been wondering what this stuff looks like to an outside source because I was guessing it would be confusing. I need to get a nailed down definition in my project proposal. This will help me edit it later actually. Ta for your interest btw.

>>2079708
To sum it up though- I want to have the form and shape of specific animals lose a sense of identity so that they can be represented as a collective In a circular format.

>>2079174
what the fuck is this bullshit
hopefully this is just a study, if its your masterpiece you better just kill yourself already

Draw from references when it comes to faces, and learn how to draw faces in terms of proportion specifically.

You try to hard to be fartsy

>>2079877
Ofcourse its a study. none of these are finished pieces of any sort. I havnt started a final outcome yet.

>>2079889
They are drawn from a photograph. I have some charcoal doodles from real life references but they are pretty terrible. I got alot of learning to do face wise. I've been focusing on eyes more than anything in terms of human features. But when college is over I can focus on learning face proportions properly.

>>2080014
>>2080009
Very good posts

Do you have a blog? :^)

>>2079708
Heres the criteria

>>2080015
Thanks but unfortunately not :^(

>>2079830
>>2080016
To be blunt, the whole thing is extremely confusing to me, although it seems like you have some interesting ideas going on. I'm guessing you have the means to get direct feedback from your professor and from classmates who are working on this project, which is probably more useful than the limited impressions I can provide.

One thing I can suggest is that it's generally better to let your pictures, rather than your words, do all the talking. Express your ideas completely through images. Music rarely requires explanation, and the same ought to be
for visual art.

But judging by your assignment guidelines, it might be hard to do that, This seems to be the kind of assignment that encourages meaningless bs. actually curious what kind of course or program would assign something like this. And you said
>But when college is over I can focus on learning face proportions properly.

Aren't you studying art right now? Face proportions are fundamentals. You're going to study them when college is over?

>>2079877
That was a genuinely horrifying post. I don't know if it makes a difference but I reported that. I know this place can be very vulgar but that's unbelievable. Thankfully you seem to have a thick skin OP, good for you.

>>2080015
And are you talking to yourself? I am seriously confused.

>>2080245
the course is definitely bullshit intensified. I was expecting hard hitting studies of objects and faces and proportions but there has been none of that. Infact if I spend too much time focusing on one thing I will lose marks on the project.
We have to scratch the surfaces of all the visual language elements and art theories rather than dwelving into one. And they aint taught me jack shit about learning how to draw animals and faces which is my primary interest- infact I was discouraged from doing this alot- so during my summer break i'll set myself a project.
any literal intepretations are really shunned upon and seen as unprofessional. Idea generation and awareness of process and mistakes is more important than the work itself. Doesnt help that my tutor is an impressionism fangirl- its quite clashing with my interest and she thinks symbolism and surreal art is bullshit which is a shame because thats my most inspiring genres of art. what you said about the pictures telling the story was quite useful btw- I get caught up in trying to explain myself alot- and this is discouraged- but they want ambiguous artsy fartsy work at the same time and dont really explain how to visually explain abstract perspective. I have learnt things on this course in terms of broad techniques and processess but nothing has been in depth. In a way though I really wish the course was more about quality of work than quantity- not being able to spend an hour on a drawing is torturous.

>>2080245
I have to say though thank you for your interest and apologies for the extent of the unintelligability of this project I get confused too tbf. Its a really personal response and I tend to fall into the rediculously complicated concepts. Its pretty linked to my personal beliefs of how life is valued and how living beings are equal in mind at a meditative level. Alot of it is spiritual/dream like bullshit. Not most peoples cup of tea but I sure like exploring it. I had an idea of a vortex with the centre being true enlightenment which is inside all creatures- and the crazy lines lead off to thr branches of life- which is all walks of life- and they all lead back in a criss cross fashion and ofcourse paths of all creatures cross eachother every now and then. So the op was the first idea I could think of to illustrate that concept- as an abstract symbol-but I want to study living beings visually to literalize the idea slightly, then bring it back to abstraction through pattern. Im thinking of some intricate circular mandala with patterns made from the shapes of animals and textures from eyes and stuff. Aswell as perhaps a 3D centre piece? Im not to caught up in the final piece just yet anyway. Theres no easy way to explain this project im afraid. Im shocked anyone waited it out this far.

>>2080487
After coming up with that first initial response I decided to examine the most obvious literal interpretation of that structure which was the fibonacci sequence. I did some research on the symbolism behind the fibonacci sequence and how its been compared to the concepts of consciousness. My first visual study was of a rams horn

>>2080482
>>2080487
lol I can sense your frustration from here.
Maybe this is a good chance to explore what you want to pursue or develop in the future. Anyway, I'll throw out some ideas.

Since you mentioned mandalas, there is a good chance you may have looked into this already, but attached is an example of a Tibetan mandala. I think something like this may be on the same wavelength as your concepts.

An example of Tibetan painting, you can do an image search for Tibet art, thangka/tangka, indian art, buddhist art for similar inspiration.

They may be intersting to you based on their symbolism and concepts, but regardless of all that they are visually beautiful and provocative.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thangka

Very different from the Western approach to art

Also, based on your drawings, there is room for technical crit. For example >>2079181
The lines in the back of the bat look very rushed and aimless to the point of sloppiness. But the lines in the beetle and the back legs of the armadillo are much cleaner and more importantly, descriptive. And this leads to greater meaning in the lines. And that is communication

>>2080504
The lines can be very sensitive when you (a) don't rush and (b) draw with purpose.
In the horn, the repeated lines almost create the effect of shading and seem to have some kind of overall "consciousness"

Many of Leonardo's drawings had this beautiful quality.
Look at attached drawing. I think it speaks for itself.

Another drawing by Leonardo

Botanical Study by Leonardo

Flowers by Leonardo

Images are not the best quality but I hope you get the idea

>>2080487
you could try the wheel of life, if you like symbolism thats the jackpot. i did this for a project on it. the whole mythology is very interesting

>>2079374
your trash. but your trying and exploring different mediums and techniques. so your on the right path. keep it up long enough and you will see a lot of improvement.

>>2081193
lmao wasn't he a master? why is he drawing cartoons?

>>2081175
Wow this is really beautiful. I'd definitely use this for some contextual and it looks like its got some nice colours to talk about. The inspiration for the mandala I got from watching samsara. Its there that i became interested in the concept of art being a form of meditation- been using rothko and dali to look at that concept and exploring it with blind and dual handed drawings ect. Shame I cant just do a massive circular pattern with sand in the dirt and dance all over it for finals.

>>2081181
Its nice to have a starting point for the Oriental contextual as I didnt have much ideas for starting points. I bet I could make some connections to the bosch research I did with this aswell. Noice.

>>2081192
this will sure be handy for my on going evaluations notes. You mention things that not me or my peers or my tutors saw so thats really helpful actually. I will have to look out for that line sensitivity your getting that. Interesting.

>>2081193
I never knew Leonardo drew cats but thank god he did. Dam, they really remind me of henry moores sheep. Looks like i'lI have some fun comparisons to do.

>>2081269
Sweet I'll check this out. Mythology rocks socks.