/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

help help

Ok I'm trying to make the view finders from Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain but the instructions don't fucking match up at all.

It says draw lines 2 inches from the edges and they should match up on the diagonal but they don't at all.

Am I fucking retarded and missing something?

been lurking for a while.
basically just got back into drawing and did this now just for fun and to get the feel for digital.. gotta get into these exercises tho. onwards to the sticky

Any glaring problems? Am I good at this yet? Can I go on to more in-depth anatomy?

BLEH. How do people go about making environments interesting? Do they just look at a bunch of references from the time period they're going for?

>>2078222
hands are super short, she wouldnt even be able to wipe her ass

>>2078198
you're a bit of a goofball to not be constructing but it looks good and i'm a noob so i'll shut up.

>>2078226
It looks uninteresting because the central 1/3 of the image is the least interesting part (path) instead of the architecture which has been sidelined. Maybe shift the focus to the building? Also adding people gives life and helps the brain process scaling.

Also i'm pretty sure your perspective's a bit wonky.

>>2078235
>calling them a goofball considering who they're drawing
heh

>>2078243
i'm well aware :)

>>2078239
Thanks for the advice/redline. You're right about the perspective, too. I was eye-balling it 'cause originally I didn't think I'd take it anywhere further than the initial 10min lay-in. It's meant to be a background for a foreground character so I don't feel the need to have a strong focal point for the city itself, but it certainly needs to look busier. I'll try adding in some ref-photo-inspired clutter and see what that does.

>tfw you see reddit posts and youtube videos of teenagers with incredible drawing skills and you feel like its too late

>>2078321
In the time you wrote that you could have done a gesture drawing. You can't expect to be good if you just sit and brood and hope to just assimilate drawing skills, the only way to 'git gud' is keep working at it, nail those fundamentals and keep none of your work precious.

>>2078321
it's never too late anun

Is it even worth to draw before going to bed?

Cannot fucking draw faces straight on, it is almost entirely the nose that is giving me trouble. I can do the 3/4 turn and profile, but mug shots are fucking impossible.

>>2078348
Do you mean as in staying up late to practice? I don't, because if I draw when feeling crappy, my practice will be crappy, and since I stayed up all night drawing, I will feel like crap all day tomorrow. And because I will feel like crap, my practice will be crap.

I was trying to not sleep with Hempton's video lecture >.< Maybe I need to focus more or just use his book. 3h of heavy bla, bla, bla.

You know if this Riven Phoenix course is good?

Whats the difference between visualizing the head as a box or a sphere?

•●symbol drawing●•

>>2078376
•●°●•

>>2078376
i like this

>>2078389
...that's a first! thank you!

>>2078374
It's easier to put the box in perspective, but it's more intuitive to construct the face on a sphere. Try both and see what works for you

>>2078400
Yeah, I just watched the proko vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1EPNYWeEf1U#t=246

Its like, for drawing the lines where the brows and mouth should go, he places it on a box surface. It is much easier visualize, but the lines would curve because its round. Though the box is very close.

I have not attempted drawing with a box yet, by im not sure how I would go about it. I feel like it would be tricky to get the depth right. Because with a sphere, Im building on to it, but with a box, I think you would have carve into to cube to create depth, and thought of that confuses me.

Any tips?
I'm still trying to learn how to learn.
Been a beginner for about three years now.

>>2078424
Study Vilppu's Drawing Manual. The book and the videos. Don't stop until you understand what he's teaching you.

And just watch anything with Vilppu in it. Rev up those torrents.

>>2078426
>that pic

l-lewd!

please tell me what's wrong with her face
side views are so tricky

>>2078426
make sure you rev up your play speed to 2x when ur watching to his videos too

Is there any secret to getting good fast like Caravaggio? That guy painted masterpieces in his 20s like not was nothing. On top of that his dramatic positioning and lighting were leagues above anyone.

i need to practice more... I'm trying Hampton and looking for some poses, trying from imagination,etc

>>2078529
Sorry. Forget the phone was posting it horizontal only >.<

>>2078528
Anyone?

>>2078528
talent :^)

>>2078528
Grind your ass off. There's no secret other way to get good, Anon.

>>2078528
>>2078557
Don't go outside ever.
Stay inside, study, study, study, study till you're burned out. Once you're burned out, study some more.

It's pure torture, but some people love torture. It's like a fetish.

>>2078493
nose is in the middle but her heads turned slightly away, get it?

so why is everything on CGPeers freeleech forever?

When will I have to worry about ratio?

Been working on Hampton's figure drawing series. Really helping with anatomy and energizing my gestures. I liked the initial layin on this pose enough to render. Did it come out okay? inb4 hiding hands

>>2078614
I feel like people don't understand how bones work when the focus so much on Hampton construction, anon, how is he leg bending that far back? how can her deltoid bend that far back if she's standing up that straight? Go ahed try to position your arm like that. Also, the spine can't bend like that and keep the neck so straight up at the same time. And feet.

>>2078619
You're right in the sense that I exaggerated the gesture a lot, which Hampton encourages. Guess it's pretty easy to exaggerate into impossible poses, I didn't even notice. Thanks anon.

>>2078621
The problem with exaggerating that much is you don't know enough to do it properly, so it just looks wrong. You're not even reinforcing hte existing gesture, but rather ruining it by sticking the tits out more and making the ass rounder. Try observing the ref closer and sticking more with what it is. Like your basic measurements are way off--look at the relationship of the feet for example.

>>2078621
Remember, a lot of people like Hampton, Vilppu, and Proko all suggest to exaggerate, but it has to make sense (and I believe that state that as well, saying to exaggerate but stay within the rule or something).

>>2078631
The relationship between the positions of the feet -- as per the nature of exaggeration -- were meant to be different than the ref, so I don't know why you're talking about measurement failures. I 'pushed' every angle in the pose on purpose, and it became impossible. Not an issue of observation; it's an issue of lack of anatomical knowledge that would have made a believable exaggerated pose possible.

>>2078635
what he is saying is valid. the feet are much further apart, but the leg position is the same. this means something has been distorted. by moving the foot back you've extended the length of her right leg dramatically, so now her legs are completely different lengths.

>>2078638
Oh, I knew that the moment after I left my computer for a second and came back and looked at the drawing with fresh eyes. I thought >>2078631 was trying to say I failed at copying the ref, which wasn't what I was trying to do.

>>2078247
If you've taken it beyond 10-min-lay-in, I feel like I have to point out a few things.
1. You need a book on perspective, and you need to work on it hard. Everything is misaligned and on different planes.
2. You need to stop copying and pasting. I see it in the vases, I see it in the gargoyles. It's lazy and incorrect.
3. In all of your renderings, you rely too much on stock textured brushes. I see the chalk one featuring prominently through them.
If you don't know how to use these brushes, please don't use them at all. Your painting is extremely muddy.
4. Lighting. Look at the vases... I think you tried some kind of ambient occlusion + reflected light, but that's not quite how it works. It feels very off because it's like there are two different light sources but only those vases are affected by both.
Speaking of lighting, that shadow on the right, under the alcove/roof. It's not in perspective, and starts at the wrong point. The front part of this roof doesn't project a shadow in your drawing. As a result, it looks very off.
5. Lastly, compositionally, it's very uninteresting. You're not following any kind of rule here. It seems to have a central focusing point but it's a really bland gate. Yes, you plan to put a foreground character in, but that won't help anything.
And by the way, "city"? It doesn't look anything like one.

>>2078621
This one only reinforces my belief that you need to take a perspective book in your hands. You've jumped into Hampton with only some mediocre rendering experience.
I recommended Dynamic Sketching to you a while back, but it seems you need more draftsmanship skills than I thought.
I also recommend doing things one at a time. Don't pick up different books or lectures at once. Work through one, take notes, finish it, then go on.

Was supose to be just a head drawing but I slowly added the rest of the body down to her feet. Is it worth continuing or should i scrap it? The pose looks stiff for me and the lines are messed up from all the ereasing and redrawing but is there anything done right here?

>>2078193
Dammit op put this in the next op
http://loomisloves.us/wiki/The_W/ic/i

Complete noob here. Help would be highly appreciated. Eventual goal is sci-fi landscape matte painting.

When, where, and how do I learn adding details to landscape sketch?

Should I learn PS as I practice my lineart, or should that come afterwards once I have a hand on things?

How many and what kind of pencils do I need when practicing shading? Currently have 4H, 2B, and 8B.

Anny good artist I can follow?

Should I jump right into making sci-fi landscapes or ease my way in from modern settings.

At four hours a day, how long before I become decent.

is this how you do robot beans?

>>2078800
a few more

>>2078806
you could practice drawing some cubes for starting. Some of your shapes are simply wrong.

>>2078807
i was doing those really fast that's why. im the guy from the other night that was getting defensive about my figure drawings, the only that was starting with outline and not the bean. i dont really care if the boxes/lines look like shit. i can do them well when i put the effort in, im just trying to rush learning the bean so i can learn figure properly

>>2078813
LOL

>>2078815
>>2078807
goddamn it, are the beans ok or not.

Another attempt at good looking trees.

Critique?

beans again

>>2078822
No. They lack the simplest notions of perspective.
Fuck beans, get a book.

>>2078813
When you practice something, you should always be putting your full effort into it. There's no such thing as "rushing ______ to accomplish ______". Reason being, you don't yet fully understand what is integral to what you're doing, and what isn't.

If you rush without fully understanding what you're attempting to do, you can very easily skip major steps or concepts, leaving you confused and uncertain.

You should be expecting to practice for hours at a time, and if you get tired, take a break. Assume the mindset that you will be practicing the same thing for a long time.

Honestly, one of the most important skills to learn first is patience.

>>2078822
They arent really very advanced. Try some more difficult poses, and put some effort into it

>>2078824
I like it. Try to get some more texture on the branches

>>2078841
perspective as in they dont represent the pose they are trying to convey or they are just shit boxes?

>>2078844
sigh, i know you're right but i didnt think id botch these that bad considering how well i did figure with just outlines.

>>2078845
here's a fresh new batch. i figured i shouldnt have ass EVERYTHING so i wanted to make sure i got the basic poses down

>>2078847
How exactly do you mean?

>>2078850
"shit" boxes, honestly. worst being top row, 2nd on the right in this set.
try twisting the hip box and torso box away from each other. also the top plane of the hip box and bottom plane of the rib box aren't parallel.
I don't know how to explain it that well, so here's hampton

Man, all of this hampton, loomis, vilpu stuff has never really sat all that well with me. Drops students into dealing with 3D form really early, so they're trying to balance form, gesture, proportion all simultaneously.

The way I was taught (by Kevin Chen, if you've heard of him) was much more gradual. You start off learning the proportions using a very simple 2D mannequin. No 3D forms at all, just very simple, deliberate flat shapes.

Once you've learned that, you take the flat shapes and carve them into 3D forms. Cylinders for your ribcage/pelvis, boxes for the sections of the limbs, etc.

Then once you're comfortable with that, you start working on curving the finer planes and adding the muscle-forms by cutting wedges into these 3D masses.

Having learned gradually like that, these better known guides start to make a lot more sense. I can't imagine jumping into them early on though.

>>2078877
First of all, hampton and vilppu are not for absolute beginners, the sticky even says so. Loomis actually starts you with very flat geometrical forms, hell, the first thing he does is tell you all you gonna need is a flat circle.
Also if you learn perspective before going on with hampton and vilppu, like the sticky tells you to, all your problems are solved, since you actually know how simple 3d forms work and you learned how to place them.

And again we have someone who didn't read the sticky spilling bullshit. Gotta love this chilling too.

>>2078870
that actualy makes sense. well that reassuring that its just the boxes and not the poses. perspective has always been a weak point for me anyways

>>2078883
Indeed I haven't read the sticky, because I'm not here to learn. I'm merely commenting on how so many beginners start jumping into 3D forms when it comes to figure far too early.

As for loomis starting with flat shapes... Yeah, perhaps, in the way that a circle is the immediate step before drawing a sphere. Pretty much all Loomis focuses on is form and gesture.

So, as far as I can tell, what I'm 'spilling' doesn't seem to be bullshit. Either way, I'm going to go swing by the sticky and see what it says.

Although I am curious - what is your idea of "learning perspective"? At which point would you specifically consider yourself to have learned it?

>>2078844
>>2078877
>>2078899

Are you going to shill in every beginner thread?

>>2078918

I'd be shilling if I pointed people to my website (which I haven't done once) without pointing out that I'm the guy who runs it.

The only reason I put the drawabox thing in my name is because people have shared the url here, and some people have had questions, which I've been happy to answer.

Those that don't know of the site wouldn't even grasp the fact that my name is referring to one.

But hey, if you disagree with what I said in my previous reply but don't actually have anything of worth to say in response, go ahead and call me whatever you like in order to derail the discussion.

'Cause that's helpful.

>>2078850
>>2078840
>>2078806
>>2078800

These look terrible as fuck. It's obvious you skipped a bunch of studies before hand. Not to mention, it looks like you've never attempted Peter Han's exercise what so ever.

Revert back, read the sticky, practice your line quality.

>>2078923
I'm not that anon, actually. I was just wondering.
I don't actually have any problem with what you've said; it is, however, just a different approach. In the end, what matters is what people find comfortable.
By the way, your lessons could use some polish. It's quite obvious you're not a teacher.
I don't mean to insult you, I've actually been with you since the first post in r/ArtFundamentals (I posted in the last thread, too) and I like your tutorials, but they are somewhat shallow and sometimes even flawed. Especially the first lesson, I don't know how you expect people to get ellipses and their anatomy without knowing something about basic perspective, horizon, and planes first. You explain the notion of vanishing points only later, when you get to boxes... and the first box you draw doesn't have all of its lines converging to a VP.

>>2078940
Oh, sorry about that. I guess that's the danger when everyone's anonymous!

Yeah, my lessons are definitely rough to say the least. When I started /r/ArtFundamentals, it was just a passing thing. The chance to write down what I knew, and push people in the right direction. I ended up getting in over my head pretty quickly, and I just keep digging my hole deeper...

That's one of the reasons I make all my lessons free. There's a lot of work involved, but the result definitely isn't anything remotely professional, so I figure it wouldn't be very fair to charge for it.

Ultimately, the whole polishing thing is why I moved onto a dedicated website instead of sticking on reddit. It lets me rewrite lessons, see the general responses and what kind of challenges the people submitting homework tend to face, and then work in tweaks where people are having trouble.

I totally understand what you're saying about jumping into VPs before explaining what they are - and I will go back and fix that up eventually, but for now I tend to only jump at updating areas where I see people struggling. For the most part, people seem to just skip over what they don't entirely understand at that moment, which is totally fine with me.

I really appreciate the suggestions by the way, and sorry again for assuming you were the previous person.

I need help with learning to shade.
This is killing me, I nearly finished villpu's book and I still struggle with it.

I have big problems drawing the rib cage. Loomis is just telling me how to get the proportions right. Should i just use references for gestures?

Her head is very flat but i realized it way too late. Besides that, what do you guys think?

>>2079161
Remember to always see the thumbnail and flip from time to time

>>2079153
did you check out proko's ribcage video that was released a week ago?

shitty loomis practice

>>2079286
terrible

>>2077262
So I started exercise 1 with a ballpoint pen for now, but I am already having problems. For one, I am leaving grooves in the paper and without meaning to I trace over it. I think I am either pressing too hard or I should really go get that felt pen. However, if I press lighter, I feel like the pen shakes in my hand and I can't get a decent line at all.

Second, how should I be holding the pen? If I hold it at a ninety degree angle, I can write neater but as stupid as it sounds, I can't see where I am drawing. If I lower the pen, then it either doesn't apply ink at all, or I draw at a weird arc.

Third, am I supposed to be drawing lines fast? I feel the faster I go, the more it arcs. If I sort of slow down as I go, I can make a straighter line but I don't think I am supposed to be doing it that way.

Can I get a book recommendation for drawing faces? I just want to draw pretty girls. MY faces always come out masculine.

>>2079289
b-but that's why I'm posting in the beginner thread

>>2078824
It looks like cartoon broccoli. Try drawing every individual leaf. Trees are so tedious but it works.

>>2078621
your drawing is too sexy compared to the model.

>>2078205

Even though it's very beginner-ish and everyone can see it, I'm strangely drawn in by it. You got something not many at your level have. Now go practice the technicals. You will definitely have something good to show us in the near future.

This is really silly, it's a sketch I think I'll do on a ceramic plate at one of those pottery painting shops. Is it clear that he's holding a diploma all rolled up?

Somebody knows a good tutorial about shapes? I'm trying Hampton's videos and book but I'm having some problems with the construction with shapes, to turn and create.
It's not for beginners, I can feel this lack of knowledge screaming on my fice wile i'm trying.

>>2079352
Learning perspective.
Then buying a Lamp, Glass Bottles, and some Blocks. Light up said piece, try to draw it from life. Don't fail. If fail, try again but move the pieces around. Repeat until you die.

>>2079361
Thanks Anon

I'm reading about Kim Jung Gi process and I think I have to reset my brain now. He is a monster, the man is amazing.
I may not be like him, but I'll practice to get as close as I can!

>>2078840
the fuck are you even supose to learn drawing these things?

I've always wanted to be able to draw photorealistically, but as I am learning and practicing I am finding it much more fun to draw cartoony and exaggerated characters. Probably because I'm lazy and dont like planning.

>>2079468
ye, you should stop being lazy and pick up some books. cartoony characters will look far better when you've learned the fundamentals.

>>2078657
I really appreciate the constructive thrashing. What I'm taking from it is that I shouldn't be half-assing my figure studies or eye-balling perspective as if I'm already some Ruanjia.

And I do thank you greatly for your recommendation of Dynamic Sketching. I've been practicing it every day. Dunno if you saw >>2077422 but I feel it has been really improving my draftsmanship skills. You may disagree, but I personally know it's been a huge help.

Anyway, I'd be curious as to what you/anyone else thinks of this, then? I put more time into pushing the pose but not so such that it became impossible. But maybe it still is and I just can't see it. I'd like to hear your thoughts. And just FYI I haven't had time to get to the lower legs/feet/hand yet.

>>2078426
I started the book that you recommended, thanks by the way.
Also, I'm I doing these gestures right? I feel like some of my other gestures were better than these.

>>2079559
What you should attempt to try to exercise about 100 times. From there, find your 5 best ones and 5 worst ones.

>>2079528
She looks like she is tipping over. cover her lower half with your hand and slide it down the screen until you it starts to look tippy. then fix that part down.

Well I'm an idiot. Just made a post for my stupid drawing.

>>2079574
Good call. Thanks.

Trying to Paint Zero Suit Samus in grayscale. Suggestions?

I'm having trouble drawing faces
I tried drawing some portraits of celebs but they all look similar with the exception of those who have dramatic differences (like michael jackson)
how do I fix this?

I am learning the basic fundamentals and so far I have been using pen and paper, but my main goal is to work primarily in digital. Should I still practice and continue my studies on classic paper or just get on a wacom asap?

I mainly want to focus on people and characters.

First day drawing and I decided to start with line control. In the beginning they were shit, but in the end they looked better.
May I go with perspective after control my line?
I'm a little confused with the beginning I saw some books and tried some exercises but I want to start slow to master everything I need before draw people.

anyone know where can I get Vilppu's dvds for free?

>>2079651
Here are my line exercise. It's not easy but I liked it.

>>2079607
neck

>>2079652
cgqueers

>>2079652
Click here https://mega.co.nz/#F!2RARFaLA!VTiQb6eRXfV4V6mYQ6FJTA

Go to Videos
There ya' go.

>>2079655
Just use fast strokes dude

>>2079655
Gotta use your shoulder/elbow mate.

so after doing ellipse, cubes, lines, and perspective exercises for a month.

Do you think it would be okay to start getting into portrait drawing? I eventually want to be able to do the entire figure, but I think starting at just the head should be okay for now, right?

>>2079655
Oh god.... Elbow and shoulder dude..... Never do lines with your wrist unless its something real small lol. Just keeps practicing elbow and shoulder. Also try doing curves and circles.

>>2078800
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>>2078929
whale whale whale, look what made its way to my lap by chance today. but really, is this a good resource? its got 4.5 stars on amazon

>>2079849
oh this did

>>2079852
>>2079849
omfg

>>2079854
Hogarth is horseshit

Why this art suck?

>>2079884
how so?

>>2079161
neck is in wrong place also shoulders are just wrong. Pose like it and look in the mirror, u will see what i am talking about.

>>2079888
just look at it

>>2078222
is it supposed to have goat legs? if that´s what you´re going for then yeah it´s fine, if not whatever it is looks horribly bowlegged and in a lot of pain

>>2079893
i don't know what im looking for though

>>2079922
it's hyper-stylized so it's useless for studying. and it just looks like shit but that's taste I guess.

>>2079933
pls trip so people can ignore you, thanks.

>>2079935
you can't say that cover isn't awful for studying the form. I'm not saying it's bad art, even though I don't like it, but you can't possibly recommend this shit to a beginner.

>>2079762
not that anon but thanks I have been looking for these too.

>>2079570
Why should I find the best and worst ones? To see what I did wrong or to show you guys again?

Hello all. I'm trying to get better at ink washes and pen work, but I have no idea what I'm doing. This is something I did today - any advice is appreciated.

thank you!

Hello friends of /ic/, a buddy of mine has already long been in the ancient world of tattoo, but it still not has been able to be known professionally. I ask that if you can help you simply voting the tattoo design that has submitted to a contest. Thanks to all!!!

Here is the link: https://www.socialtools.me/apps.php?id=218615&app_data=eyJzZWN0aW9uIjoiZ2FsZXJpYSIsInVzZXJfaWQiOjQyNDU2OTl9&nocache=1

okay im back with some beans

>>2080000
2/3

>>2080001
3/3
if these check out im going back to robo beans
also, where can i find gestures with better poses. all the gesture generators i find have simple poses where the model is just standing at an angle or whatever

>>2080002
why do you draw with mouse and in ms paint ? Why do you get quads ?

>>2080005
>why do you draw with mouse and in ms paint ?
how do you figure

> Why do you get quads ?
that means my beans on >>2080000
on this are acceptable right?

>>2080010
>>2080005

how am i able to do this if my beans are so bad

>>2080018
Have you ever drawn something that's not copied?

>>2080034
i didnt copy that you jerk

>>2080036
I meant as in something that's original. OC.

>>2080038
well im apparently complete shit at beans so im trying to learn figure the right way. but no i haven't done characters/figures from imagination yet

>Turn off stablizer
>Straight lines become more straight
>Circles become more triangular

Should I rest my arm on the table while I draw?

>>2080018
push your values.
check the negative space more.
look at the outline more often.

>>2080052
>>2080018
>inb4 "post your work"

>>2080052
im aware of the issues. i did that a while ago. it was literally my second painting. this is what im doing now. the ref is sleeping dog by gerrit dou

Some 1 minute gestures
Man this is hard

Hey so i'm completely new to this whole thing. but here is a drawing I did a while a go. I was wondering what you all think? I understand that some of my lines to cover the pencil got a little sloppy but any advice would be nice!

>>2080116
it looks like shit and it's nothing to be proud of.

Read the sticky

is my perspective grid supposed to turn out distorted like this, or did i fuck up? i have no idea what i'm doing.

>>2080119
Haha wow, well its to be expected still a major noob at drawing. Thanks.

>>2080122
No. If this is 1-pp the horizontal lines should be straight not at an angle.

>>2078528
Somewhat helps that you train under a master for years, and dedicate your life to drawing otherwise you'll die poor and ill.

>>2079782
I was using. But I don't have any control :(

>>2080126
Um, I think it's 2 point, because of the window arches? Here's the zoomed out view.

>>2080071
Yes it's hard. My way to master it was trying gesture in my own time, than trying 2 minutes, 1 minute, 30 seconds.

>>2080134
No, it's definitely 1-p but if you're studying a photo you might be dealing with lens distortion, that's why the arches seem to not converge at the same vanishing point.

>>2080137
I feel like I got enough of what I needed to explain the picture Particularly 1 3 5 6 and 8
And it feels like Im getting the perspective down

>>2080140
Oh, yeah, I was looking at something through google maps for reference, so now the distortion makes sense.
Ugh, perspective makes little sense. Thanks.

>>2078844
>You should be expecting to practice for hours at a time

If your method of improving is terrible, yes.
This philosophy of drawing until your bones break is pushed so much on this board and other art communities.

And its dead wrong. In fact if you are trying to improve that way the only thing it says is that you are improving very slowly with an enormous time commitment. The exact opposite of effective learning and improvement.

I fucking get HOW to draw heads using this
But I just cant, I dont see what Im missing

>>2080147
err.. practice?

>>2080146
>This philosophy of drawing until your bones break is pushed so much on this board and other art communities.
I think it depends on focus. If you can focus on what you're doing for hours, go ahead and draw like crazy, but if you can't, just draw for 30 minutes, or 3 hours.

>>2080147

Copy the plates in Drawing the Head and Hands 10 times (or 100, or whatever as many as you can force yourself to do just don't be lazy and impatient), and memorize everything Loomis says. Don't do it mindlessly either, really try to understand what you're drawing and why. Be accurate, don't trace. Try a couple of your own every now and again, and try to figure out why they don't come out right (I need to learn how to construct necks, I'm not placing these details on the face three dimensionally, I'm symbol drawing this on the face, this line is angled wrong, just examples like that really dig in there).

Eventually your brain will just work it out, and the practice will do you good.

>>2080059
>push your values.
>check the negative space more.
>look at the edge more often.
>observe form more.

>>2080156
This.

If you draw for 3 hours and constantly complain, you won't improve. A good example of this is Peter Han's exercise. If you're drawing a straight line, but you want to make it perfect, if you practice it for 3 hours straight and concentrate on getting the line right, you will improve. If you just blindly stroke without caring, you'll see very little improvement.

>>2080181
>>2080146
>>2080156
Yes, I think focus is important to improve. If you can focus for 5 minutes a day, it's good to start. But don't forget to try it every day.

Now it's a zen thread. LOL
To improve focus try meditation, Leo Babauta's book Focus and Brain Age: Concentration Training.
OMG, when I will draw?

>>2080206
When you stop being a whiny faggot cunt.

>>2080151
>>2080169
I tried to focus more on the skull itself rather than just a ball, and that the jaw ends about the cheeks?
Did this come out well?

>>2080223
You don't understand what you are doing. People suggested you books, go read and practice them. Learn basic proportions an simple forms.

>>2080156
You are right. It's how you can concentrate on drawing. I can't draw for more than 2h/day, I can try but my work will look like shit.

>>2080266
In that case, look at it, ask yourself way it looks like shit, and improve on your biggest weak points. This is the part of concentrate that is implied during studies. Always pay attention to what you're doing.

>>2080275
I know man, and this is what I do. But when I can't concentrate anymore I just take some time to pay atention again when I'm OK and not tired anymore.

>>2080283
Frustration can cloud your judgement. But this is where "talent" comes in. Most "talented" artists have to go through their demons.

If you beat Frustration, you also have to fight Stress.
If you beat Stress, you also have to fight Depression.
If you beat Depression, you'll only make Frustration stronger.

And the cycle continues.
Here's a tip: become friends with one of these demons. They may help you fight the other two, but they'll also introduce you to new friends that may make you crazy.

JUST DON'T LET IT GET YOU, SON!! EVERYONE LOVES YOU!!!

>>2080289
Dude... You need to rest, eat and fuck sometime. y can also open a church, you can make some money, you are good with this.

send help

>>2080369
You need to accept the Lord Vilppu into your heart, only then can you flourish.

Just say this prayer before going to bed and start watching his lectures.

'Lord Vilppu, I need You. Thank You for feeling on the drawing pad for my shitty drawings. I open the door of my life and receive You as my Savior and Lord. Thank You for forgiving my shitty drawings and giving me eternal gestures. Take control of the throne of my pencil. Make me the kind of artist You want me to be.

Amen'

>>2080383
>No rules. Just tools.

Second attempt at realism, haven't drawn in few years since my animefag phase. Do I have any hope?

>>2080394
it was supposed to be him...

has anyone tried the ABC method from the "Drawing in the Digital Age" book?

>>2080369

i might legitimately be retarded

>>2080407
Also trying to learn perspective.

>>2080396

At least try to measure the proportions and relations of the face before drawing...

Any anatomy book reccs?

>>2080369
>>2080407
>>2080410
Looks like you're trying out stuff that's way beyond your level.

Start with something easier. Like the exercises in the Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, then hopping on to Fun With a Pencil

>>2080442
Well, that was sobering.

would gray's anatomy be a good book for artists?

Starting on Fun With a Pencil
Am I gonna make it lads?

https://youtu.be/H7N01ItA9mE

>>2080460
Don't copy all loomis faces, after you get how they're built with simple forms start creating new ones or you'll never make it.

>>2080455

>>2080467
Taking into consideration how much time they spend having sex with eachother i would say it's good for anatomy.

>>2080462
Oh snap I thought you where meant to literally just draw everything he had in the book.
Serves me for skim reading

>>2080442
For some reason i learn the hard way. ill give up my endeavors and try something easier.

>>2078321
As Andrew Loomis once said: "Lack of knowledge can be greater torture than the effort acquiring it."

When one tires of studying anatomy ...

I'm the newest of newfags to drawing. Send me to the very first thing anyone should know about drawing. I'm prepared to study my ass off.

>>2080578
Lesson one: Don't expect others to spoonfeed you.

>>2080578
this >>2080442
authors are betty edwards and andrew loomis respectively

>>2080579
I'm on 4chan, of course I wouldn't expect that. I meant send me to some decent places like >>2080580

>>2080578
http://drawabox.com/
then hampton and vilppu

>>2080583
The sticky is very visible. If you lurked even a little, there'd be no need to ask for anything.

>>2080479
You're not abysmally off. Practice making your lines more gestural -- no more chicken scratching. Line control is important, so make the figure with long, smooth flowing contours.

>>2080588
should i use my shoulder or my wrist to draw the circles?

>>2080440
>>2080455
Go to the artbook thread and get "Anatomy for Sculptors" Best $75 you'll never spend

>>2080590
Thank you anon for the advice, ill try my best. Im not as confident using a tablet as i am with paper and pencil.

Teal is here
mikaaaami i can feel your presence

>>2080624
You're still drawing in 2D shapes
Draw some simple boxes and spheres in 3D, even if you think it's a waste of time. Make them LOOK 3D, feel the volume of the shapes, draw cross-contours around them, anything to break out of drawing shapes and into drawing forms. Slow your hand down, try and concentrate on making each single line deliberate instead of chickenscratching.

>>2080589
Sticky confused me. Guess I'm just an idiot. But I did try.

>>2080588
>>2080580
Thanks to the both of you~

>>2080635
I really am retarded, holy shit, i had my tablets set for playing Osu! instead of its original drawing default.

the best path for someone to go from stick figures to doing fan art of his/her favorite characters in the Japanese manga style. Its the style that is got me interested in picking up a pencil and im just wanna see where it takes me.

best lessons or courses or simply point me in the right direction.

Just sort of worked this one up from a sketch but after looking back at it a few days later I'm unhappy with it. I don't know why but I dislike the color and even the 'inking' feels cheap. Does anyone have any criticism?

i made this tonight :3

>>2080843
It's just symbols.
The pose is stiff and unnatural, shoulders->hands looks way to stiff.

Trying to figure perspective out... any tips?
Landscapes are so damn hard :c

>>2080850
So I need to focus on drawing more naturally? Shit, I guess I just get so focused on what's supposed to go where that it ends up looking stiff and like crap. Here's the sketch for reference, the image is insanely rough.

>>2080849
and slightly improved.
any suggestions?
i know its not super great but common, im no artist

>>2080854
It's because landscapes have their own grid that isn't a solid flat plan.

The grid will usually curve didn't how the artists sees fit. Example in pic related.

>>2080854
>any tips?
-Keep doing your constructions and try to experiment with shapes, views, and methods of construction. It gets easier the more you do it.

-Pick subject matter and try to do basic constructions of it
>Pic related. Farm vehicles broken down into simple volumes.

>Landscapes are so damn hard.
They are. I can't really give too much advice on this area. Best I can stay is to observe nature, drawings and paintings of landscapes, and then draw from them.

If you want to get better at perspective then keep studying and put in work.

>>2080857
>>2080857
You just gotta draw more from life... do some quick gesture drawings, 30 seconds to 2~3 minutes each.. do a ton of these! You should get better pretty fast

>>2080843
Where's the light source? What temperature is it? Is it soft or hard light? What effect does the light have on the local color of the clothes and skin? These questions were clearly not asked.

There is zero sense of form. Is he a sticker? Look at his arms man, does he have linear black holes in between his forearm muscles such as the brachioradialis? We have skin that overlaps the muscle if you didn't know. I cannot tell what position his arms are in in terms of the perspective towards the viewer because they have no decisions of anatomy.

That hat doesn't fit his head correctly, once again there's no sense of form on the hat - no reason for me to believe this hat could exist in our reality. Watch your fucking forms man, your hatching is ruining any sense of curvature on the hat. Is that a fucking shadow the the left side or did he just make that side really damn dirty?

Look at the eyes. Those are retard eyes. You gave the cool edgy samurai warrior guy cross-eyed retard eyes. Use reference for things you don't understand, and use it still for things you do.

This nigga is about 12-14 heads tall as well... he looks ridiculous. Yeah, some people have freakish proportions but think about your character - do you want him to look like a mutant?

The clothes are poorly fitted around the body. You did not think about gravity when you drew those clothes. Did you think at all when you drew anything? Also stop hiding his hands, no one stands with their fists like that. No one who isn't constipated.

Draw from life and study actual drawing instead of doing this stuff, it really does get you nowhere when you don't have any idea what you're doing. Imaginative exercises are necessary to further your skill to some degree but they must be dwarfed by actual studies of how life works and how to put that on paper.

>>2080877
Alright I appreciate the suggestion

>>2080881
I'm going to copy and save this shit, this is one of the realest critiques I've gotten in a long ass time (mainly because I don't show my work off often which is fucking retarded on my part.) Thanks for taking the time to write this.

>>2080881
>Where's the light source? What temperature is it?
You know, light doesn't always need a hue change. You can use natural light, which is white.

>>2080889
"need" no, "should be considered" yes. there was no consideration on what would be best for his painting, it was just slapped on. that's what i was writing about.

>>2078744
Don't thing outlining helped, still looks stiff.

>>2080935
Vary your line weights more, the outlining definitely looks better than the chicken scratch from before.

Try to do more poses. It can be tricky to do standing poses without making the figures stiff. At this point quantity is more important than quality so draw like 10 poses and move on from this one.

Should I draw the quick poses with this brush? After i fixed up line weights that is.

I'm trying to improve my figure drawing. Been doing gestures for about a month and a half. Started at 120s, then 90s, and just got down to 60s. I think I'm getting decent (or at least mediocre) at it, and hopefully I can get down to 30s by the end of the month.

Where do I go from here, though? Doing gestures every day is definitely helping me improve, but whenever I try and draw from a photograph I get proportions completely wrong and I still don't know how to draw limbs or hands or feet or faces correctly. I've studied some Loomis for faces but always have to end up redrawing the jaw once I start to put the eyes, nose, and mouth on the head because it ends up being too small.

Do I start drawing skeletons to get a better idea of arm/leg/torso length? Do I jump into anatomy to get an idea of how muscles work and shape the body? Or do I do studies on each individual part of the body then put all that knowledge together next time I draw someone?

I'm lost, please help.

>>2080977
You could start increasing time again so use the gesture you drawn in 30s and start fleshing it out more.
or you could do some anatomy and construction

how do I make my objects look less messy?
Is it more about confidence in line control or something else?

got some work done when 4chan had a stroke.

No ref
>inb4 should have used ref

Testing day/night colors

>>2080018
please dont paint if you cant draw this is painful

>>2081035
Why do you think that he can't draw?

>>2081023
needs bigger tits

>>2081044
>Liking disgusting cow tits

>>2081044
>>2081023
The problem its that her arm is too thick

>>2081051
>being a faggot

>>2081053
Her entire figure is more "fit" than normal.

I've been neglecting gesture sessions lately, and the deterioration shows. Gonna be at it all day. Messy messy

guitarr player. What do you think?

>>2078493

The face is at maybe 10° from the viewer, but the rest of her head is more like 45°. At the side view you want, the nose should be almost obscuring her right eye.

Also her head and arms are too small for the body.

>>2081131

It fails because you don't have a museum with fawning curators telling people why it is worth millions. Mostly you need better political skills.

>>2081124

Puff the headless dragon
floating by the sea.
In the watercolor mist,
an art catastrophe!

>>2081023

How are you selecting the night colors? Is it a filter or manual recoloring? Her hair turning blue seems a bit odd, but it might make sense in the right background.

>The problem its that her arm is too thick
Disagree. She's just a bit muscular.

>needs bigger tits
Agree.

>>2080410

Your vertical lines ought to be perfectly parallel, or converging to a third vanishing point. Spheres will always be perfect circles unless you are doing cartoony distortion - don't try that until you can master the "correct" way. A mistake can easily be rationalized as a style.

>>2081135
>>2081142
>>2081146
>>2081152
>>2081155

Make one single big post instead of shitting up the thread closer to bump limit, you utter cocksucking faggot.

And mine.

>>2081157

No. Now lets have a name calling argument that consumes another 20 posts.

>>2081155
That was really helpful, thankyou

>>2081158

That looks great. You should try drawing the backgrounds yourself next time, though. Love the colors.

>>2081158
>>2081163
yeah, I don't know

Doing some Hampton.
Am i supposed to do gestures of these gestures? Or using my own references? I don't know.

>>2081169
you could, to understand more what he is talking about.
And after studying those, study figures as well based on what you learned.

What book do most people recommend to learn perspective?

>>2081201
Jojo's bizarre adventure

what the fuck am i doing

>>2081204
>Dem perspectives indeed

>>2081246
Avdol>Polnareff

>>2081247
polnareff had the best poses in sdc

>>2081251
But sdc is not about poses it's more about bros. DId you even watch part 2(battle tendency)? I mean if someone loses an arm there they still pose.
Also this inspired me to practice drawing. I want to draw musclemen in good poses.

Working on value and form. I know I shouldn't be trying to draw through her clothes but I couldn't resist.

Is that wrong that i press ctrl + z when i draw gestures?

>>2081254

Yes, it shows you aren't confident in your marks.

I've been reading Hampton. I like how he breaks down the skeleton into something you can use when constructing from a gesture. I feel like I butchered the interior anatomy since I tried to read up on some of that while drawing though.

Anon with the shaky hands from a few threads back, I tried to do the small line practice from the Peter Han video and did some gesture drawing. I think I only now start to understand how gesture drawing's supposed to be done. And I wanted to ask am I good to go to practice the longer lines or should I still stick to the short lines for a while?

>>2081289
Regarding the lines; linework is something that comes over a really really long time, this practice is just focused practice at it but even people that have been drawing for years can have mediocre lines.

I've been drawing for 4 years and I still have trouble with that exercise. Keep up the good work and practice all kinds of lines even if they look shitty for a while.

For the gestures, you seem to be more focused on contours than the "flow" of the figure. It might be hard to figure out but try looking for the line of action before you draw out the anatomy and contours.

here's a bunch of my stuff. what should i focus on? also, my lineart sucks and how fix?

Does anyone know why I can construct on a large scale but have a hard time drawing on the same scale? Like I just draw smaller even though I'm trying not to.

>>2081300
>linework is something that comes over a really really long time
Fair enough. I didn't expect to momentarily get better at it, or better at all, to be honest.

>Keep up the good work and practice all kinds of lines even if they look shitty for a while.
Thanks, I'll try going back and forth with all sorts of lines and will try ellipses as well.

>It might be hard to figure out but try looking for the line of action before you draw out the anatomy and contours.
I sort of understand that it's one or two of those lines that describe the main "flow" of the figure and I usually do draw them in before I continue adding things, but I guess I'm still trying to focus too much on detail instead of the flow. Guess I'll just have to practice it until I start getting it and be a lot more up on flow and speed, instead of detail. Thanks for the suggestions.

Is there like a set of videos that will hold my hand from beginning to intermediate?

One that covers every thing from simple shapes, perspective, gesture, composition, anatomy, construction, etc?

I have always learned better with a set curriculum but I can't afford any form of art school.

>>2081383
same guy

if there isn't anything like that, then can someone tell me a good order?

There is so many things to work on and I'm completely overwhelmed and can't even start.

I really need someone to just tell me to do "this, this, and then this, then do this after".

>>2081383
I've been going through ctrl+paint's video library and it's really helpful for beginners.

>>2081388
Do anatomy and perspective first. When you have a good foundation set on drawing, you can move on to light. After light you go to color.

Design, composition, and storytelling elements have no concrete point at which to start but having good drawing and painting skills will obviously let you communicate your ideas more clearly and you can expand more on these topics.

That's pretty much it.

>>2081402
thank you. this makes sense.

>>2081393
i'll check that out, thanks.

>>2081402
Would you say what I posted >>2081280
would be ready to move onto light or do I need more work on lines and foundations?

>>2081301

>>2081461
>learning how to paint before drawing.png

I am not sure if I have done the foreshortening of the limbs correctly. Also any advice or criticism?

Working on my brush strokes. Learning to 'scrub' with the hardbrush instead of lots of linear swipes has helped a ton.

>>2081577
do more fundamentals before trying to do finished pieces.
more studys.

>>2078239
this is bad advice.
first, fuck your rule of thirds shit. learn proportion. shorthands are for faggots. second: SPACE is SPACE not hur dur the uninteresting part hur dur.

>>2078424
yeah, stop drawing fucking manuals. go draw some actual people. shouldnt take three years.

>>2078614
oh my god that chest neck bit.....
either learn to negative space if youre gonna copy from a photo or learn to anatomy.
my god, i love those kinda mistakes.

>>2078840
WHAT THE FUCK ARE ROBOT BEANS?

>>2081577
i dont see any foreshortening of the limbs, though one leg is smaller than the other.

>>2081658
ref photo overlay with protrusions in white. wtf you talking about? I changed the jowles and forehead/nose on purpose but the neck is pretty much correct. Maybe the ref doesn't look right to you, which happens in photos. Looks fine to me.

>>2081648
>"ctrl+f reading comprehension" on your post
>0 results
There's no rules being talked about, he's just saying a big ass white path with nothing in it is occupying most part of the picture.

>learn proportion
>proportion
I guess you meant composition.

>SPACE is SPACE not hur dur the uninteresting part hur dur
Do you understand anon was trying to learn perspective? Losing time doing shitty ass roads with nothing in it, while he could be challenging himself to capture a better scene, is exactly what he should be doing, also your comment on top of being bullshit after bullshit could have severely undermined the reasonable advice >>2078239 gave, jesus christ, kindly remove yourself from this planet.

>>2080648
i got bored of playing with perspective and started to grind anatomy. Knowing where everything goes Should make it easier to know how things should look when put in different angles.

>>2081708
Earlier tonight

>>2081648
Anon, >>2081687 is correct, and I'm the guy >>2078239 was writing too. I was eye-balling perspective and trying to invent a scene from imagination that had no forethought, composition, or measuring. I shouldn't be wasting my time with that crap, so I appreciate anons coming in and setting me straight.

>>2081461
oh my god fuck
i never noticed even. :^(

>>2081712
its okay anon, were both beginners

>>2081709
>>2081708
lines too scratchy

>>2081719
i suspect it'll get better the more i get used to using a tablet this way.

Practice practice practice

>>2081716
well yeah. kinda figured being on a beginner thread people would be a little more constructive with their criticisms than just zooming in on flaws :/

>>2081725

No amount of practice like that will fix that problem. Slow down, put a line down, if it's wrong hit undo and try again.

>>2081597
Guess I do more anatomy and perspective studies.

>>2081667
I was trying the figure to draw in perspective and I guess foreshortening was the wrong term to use but I trying to ask if the extended left arm is in correct proportion to the body.

>>2081683
He replied to another post of yours, not that one. Don't be a tard.

>>2081759
Study perspective more and it'll come naturally.
Basically, drawing figures with those kinds of guidelines only works from symmetric poses. When something tilts, shifts, rotates or even lets out two decibels of a fart those guidelines don't really work anymore unless you adjust them. Vertically, it's easy to do so but when moving in space towards or away from the viewer you need to know about different planes. Then, boxes on different planes.
Most people eyeball when it comes to this.

>>2081760
Oh, that's weird. It's not that farfetched to think someone would have an issue with that male ref's chin though, and considering the proximity to the post I thought it was, it was a high probability guess.

Not a drawing question, but a program one.
I want to buy SAI since it's better than my old shit, affordable and not a nickel-and-dime scheme like Adobe.
SAI's website says they aren't accepting payments through gmail accounts. Does that mean that you need a non-gmail account for both the order form entry and paypal account, or only one of those?

>>2081789
dude fuckin torrent it

>>2081794
I want to support them since it's the only thing that doesn't translate my tablet into parkinsons.

>>2081796
i respect that. good on you actually
Parkinsons can be cured with practice and drawing the lines quickly by the way. it's really difficult and awful to train but not impossible

>>2079976
i think your colour is great but you could try incorporating negative space more to really make the image pop. negative space is super important in watercolour but idk about ink. you can always try it

>>2080042
stop crying and learn to take your criticism.

>>2080534
the major problem i have with this is the background. are those supposed to be mountains? sky? if it was mountains they wouldnt be in a desert. if it was sky it wouldnt have that rough, bumpy texture. know what i mean?

Haul from lofe drawing class. Would appreciate some direction

>>2081739
You're actually lucky. Ive seen times where some anons post small exercises and get constructive replies, and then there are times where anons post something that looks like it took longer than your average drawing exercise, and get no replies at all. Im not trying to blame anyone, Im just saying that in beginner threads, you should be prepared to post many different exercises , so that you;ll eventually get some replies on one.

Who is the absolute best perspective teacher, and why is it Erik Olsen?

would appreciate critique on this face i drew today. this was before i found out about constructing, and before i read fun with a pencil (you can see the result of that in the bottom right) ignore everything else lol

>any comments or critique

>>2082144
left bicep maybe a bit too buff? its hard to tell what your finished lines are. also, either the legs are too small or the arms are too big. take your pick and edit accordingly lol. then post it here cos i want to see it

>>2082163
sorry for the double post, but looking at that pic again both arms are definitely too big. shrink them down and see what it looks like.

If i fkd up a line should i just press ctrl + z or should i deal with it and keep drawing?

>>2082200

If it's a commission ctrl+z, if its practice deal with it and record/learn from your mistakes.

Why is there so much jojo in a beginner thread?

Someone please tell me in on the right track

>sketchy lines.

I'm trying, Maybe im not trying hard enough but i find it very difficult to get rid of.

>>2082341
chicken scratch can only be rid of when you start drawing from the shoulder. it might be awkward/inaccurate at first, but you'll thank yourself later when you get used to it. for the right proportions you should construct the body first, like the blue figure on the right, and then draw contours on.

how does one go from this shit to something gud? i can't even match the quality of the simply goofy cartoony shit in the first loomis book. fuck.

my lines just look like shit to his crisp as fuck lines.

>>2082392
perspective and anatomy, then proportions.

>>2082396
and just grind out loomis's books in the mean time?

>>2082392
>>2082401
Don't try to stylize without understanding how to draw.

How is this for basic practice?

>>2082392
Practice anon!
Try the Loomis ball shape faces just with lines, try to do them correct. Try to see when they are wrong. Get a real life ball and make a line or use a tape to make the lines. Use the ball as reference, draw a lot. Try to draw without look to the ball.
Next put some detail, like eyes.

2 weeks of loomis, and yeah I forgot the thumb
what else did I fuck up with?

>>2082392
Do the first step a lot, with a real life ball barked (use a tape, try to put it correctly, draw a point in the top and bottom of the head). When you feel confortable go to the next step until you feel confortable to finish.

>>2082412
>>2082424
noted. i guess i need to put far more time into it. get over my hump of wanting to quit because im currently terrible and take it slow in the lessons. thanks guys. it also gives me something to do on my lunch break at my shit job

>>2082401
Use hampton. Besides "fun with a pencil" i wouldn't recommend the loomis' book for a beginner. Personally, Hampton was much easier to start.

>>2082437
alright. is there a link in the /ic/ sticky or should i just google it up? unless it's something i need to buy then i gotta wait till next pay check

So I did a line drawing of an egg on a cloth and focused on the folds of the cloth. It's really tempting to try and scratch the lines but i tried to do them in single strokes. May do more cloth drawings for practicing strokes in drawings. Are the lines passable or utter trash?

>>2082441
I don't think Hampton's book is for beginners.
People here loves Hampton, I don't know why!!
if you don't know how to draw a sphere with lines on it, how you can draw with boxes or cylindrical shapes in Hampton's book??? You need to learn those things first, it's important.

Download Keys to Drawing.

Learn about perspective.

You can also start here, it's free: http://drawabox.com/lesson/1

You can draw the simple loomis heads in Draw with a pencil, they are not that hard. If you can't do them, why go to Hempton?

>>2082449

You're definitely getting the idea, cloth folds are a bitch and take a lot of practice and observation from life to get right.

Look at places where the lines run together awkwardly like the middle bottom of the picture and just to the right of the egg - consider breaking up the lines here a bit more to give a stronger impression of a single piece of fabric flowing over itself. Experiment with the structure you are implying and don't expect it to fully make sense until you have shaded it more fully. Lines alone are somewhat inadequate for conveying this kind of flowing, overlapping surface with any real fidelity.

Shading it is going to be EVEN MORE OF A BITCH THOUGH - patience is everything

>>2082417
i hope i can make that much progress in two weeks

1/3

>>2082460

2/3

>>2082461

3/3 - This is the most detailed piece I've attempted so far. An hints on how I can improve composition, lighting and... well, everything, would be appreciated before I try and finish it

(Sorry the images are kind of gigantic)

>>2082462
whoops, here is the third progress shot

NEW THREAD (sorry to be bit late this time)

>>2082513

>>2082513

>>2082513

Spiders! Aaahh!

>>2083175
And some bugs

>>2083175
>>2083181
For some odd reason anons in these threads like to create new threads as soon as they hit bump limit, instead of creating new threads when the thread reaches page 9 or 10, or reaches image limit.
I suggest you repost your drawings in the new thread.

I feel like I've become too familiar with this drawing, are there any other drawings that are good for upside down exercises?

Also, if there is a picture I like, is there any point in copying it? Will that help me get better, or is it just a waste of time?