/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

OP is that your work in the image?

drawing from today

>>2073128
and then a quick 20 minute one of the same woman

wip

Don't really like it.

On to the next scribble.

>>2072906
Those are some insanely thick sign boards

Am I portrait good?

>>2073129
>>2073128
I like your 20 min one better. It has a sense of character to it, where as the top one is just a portrait.

>>2073164
me too but i think i have to do something like the top one to know how to do the bottom one. there was a third one i did after those two but i think the second one is the sweet spot

>>2073129
gwenyth paltrow's mum? so pretty. saving for the hair for future reference

>>2073127
Yes

>>2073139
tumblr ?

>>2073139
don't scribble.

>>2073177
Cool.

>>2073182
http://noahbradley.tumblr.com/

>>2073139
ruan jia wannabe

Trying to get a good composition, any suggestions?

I have two, what do you guys think?

1/2

>>2073239

2/2

>>2073231
work on lighting
everything is hard to read

>>2073231
vary your values more where the dragon/castle is

castle can stay light as it's further, dragon needs to stand out and be darker. if the dragon itself is white or something, at least put the outline darker

>>2073231
Not related to composition, but make sure you iron out the perspective before the detailed drawing/painting. Keep the eye level of the viewer in mind and make sure all your figures are planted on the same ground plane.

>>2073152
The nose is too wide and droopy. The brow ridges are too flat, make it more deeper.

You made his jaw less sharp.

Anyways you are flattening and softening the face, try bringing out his features some more, literally.

Pretty much practicing lines in photoshop because everytime I sketch in photoshop it looks like shit.
Mostly focused on the skull, should fix drapery.

Anything suggestion?

>>2073303
completely butchered skull

Game design stuff.
Not familiar with environment........

>>2073312
forgot to mention, feel free to critique

>>2073303
use pencil to practice bro.
Thats not the problem of software but yourself.
I can tell you are blurring the edge and lack of line weight

>>2073336
Not that anon but I struggle with a pencil myself, does better control just come with practice or are there techniques I can learn/utilize that will help?

>>2073303
skulls are pretty complicated to draw in 2-point perspective. I suggest you pay more attention to the vertical and horizontal relationships of the landmarks/obvious corners, making sure your drawing behaves under the same perspective rules as the reference. As well as using angles to check your drawing.

Of course 2d relationships aren't everything, you need to feel the shift, the planes of the nasal bones for example, and the direction of the plans of the muzzle.

It's easy to get near-sighted and figure that you're drawing a certain part of an image correctly. It's really important to relate the part to other parts, otherwise things can become inaccurate overall very quickly.

I've pointed out some real big problems that you need to learn to notice. If problems like this exist the drawing will be very off. The angle of the jawline needs to be steeper. (marked at 1).

the bottom contour of the cheekbone is very off and is causing problems, as well as the top contour.

The corners of the eye sockets must be respected. In your reference they're fairly parallel and this needs to be maintained in your drawing. You also need to learn to simplify the curved and complicated contour of the receding cheekbone. You need to see that the direction is mainly down-right, not down-left.

Watch the contour of the muzzle/mouth. You don't need to copy the contour to get this right, but the mouth really protrudes quite a lot, like a half-orange(for all human skulls).

Seek out corner relationships like the red line I drew. This explains some proportional problems.

I could redline to show the horizontal/vertical misplacements, but I don't want to do too much, and you yourself can check them as well.

If you can't see angle relationships that well, you should use your pencil to measure angles. Proko has some videos on youtube about it. Try out this practice both while digitally drawing and while drawing traditionally, and your intuitive sense for angle will also improve.

kek. No idea how I went this wrong, but somehow the shape of Ultron's head became very wide. Any advice on how I can create more accurate proportions? I also, probably started adding details too soon so it was harder for me to change certain things as I went further.

>>2073340
I dont know your situation.
Assume you hold your pencil correctly.

I struggle at first too but later realize I draw too fast and to "scribble"
I try to imitate big masters who can make badass stuff with scibbling, but not me

So I try to draw slower, think clearly the line before drawing, be more patient. dont blur or hide anything no idea how to draw.

Then I am better OwO

>>2073340
slow down. As a beginner I would in general draw way too fast and sloppily. Take a second to plan your next move in your drawing. One line per thought is a good measure.

Also you should try to develop an understanding for the great variety of lines you can achieve with pencil. Light, dark, thick, ragged, smooth(arm/shoulder). Really try to vary the way you draw with the pencil as much as possible.

Good line confidence comes with confidence and experience, as well as some of the mechanics of drawing lines. Hands/wrist for small lines, anything long should be elbow or shoulder. Don't fizzle your lines, don't change the direction of your lines, don't scratch. Know what line you want to put down, and put it down.

It also comes from the understanding that rugged/poor lines disrupt the visual reading of contour and shape, so it's very undesirable. In photoshop, from experience of what brush size and opacity will do the job for you.

My last bit of advice, is that as an artist and student, your goal is to always know what you're trying to grasp and learn. The next thing is to know that becoming a master at one thing sometimes involves letting it go and moving on or backwards. Because being a master/really great at that thing often involves more than just the study of that area, but perhaps also skill and vast knowledge that must come from other artistic pursuits, as well as true mastery of the fundamentals/basics.

>>2073354
>don't change the direction of your lines
I mean don't do it unnecessarily. If there's a change in direction actually in the line that should be there, of course, draw it. But don't disrupt a line's direction if there is no reason to.

>>2073303
Hey I think I can help here! I think you're practicing shapes rather than lines. You could try and make the lines follow the shapes and vary the line weight. Also if you're practicing, I find it's easier to just do small sketches rather than a full piece. Like, if I wanna learn how to draw rocks, I'll draw a bunch of rocks instead of a full landscape. As for the anatomy of the skull and the values, I know they're off, but I don't know shit about so I can't really help. You were practicing lines anyway!

>>2073348
Oh, make a sketch first and start with the shapes of things.

>>2073369
Thanks for the reply. The more I look at it, the more I see where I went wrong. I'm going to try this again tomorrow.

>>2073312
Nice, is that for a game you're making?

If you're making mockups like this though you have to be careful about how it's gonna be programmed. Like that turtle climbing that hill. I don't think the programmer is gonna be enchanted to code slopes and shadows that follow that slopes. It's pretty but it costs a lot for not much results. I'm saying that assuming it's gonna be a 2D platformer game. And for the background (assuming you're gonna do parallax scrolling) you have to make sure you can divide it in different layers as they are going to move

>>2073378
...separately from each other

I didn't even finished my sentence sorry

>>2073352
>>2073354
>>2073358
Thanks for the solid advice friends. I'm really glad I came to /ic/ today.

>>2073410
draw it every angles now!

>>2073414
oh jeez....

>>2073410

the nose and features in general have a fucked up placement

>>2073369

don't copy reference, base your drawing on it

>>2073360

amazing, do you like demon's souls? blog?

>>2073347

>skulls are pretty complicated to draw in 2-point perspective

given that the skull is small and there is no foreshortening.. nope

>>2073239
>>2073240

watch the youtube channel proko and learn the basic planes of the head, then practice

>>2073231

push your values and.. that's a shitty shot, imagine you're a cinema director or something, how would you film this shot? Imagine you see this shot in the hobbit or something, how would they do it?

>>2073152

nose is fucked up, block in instead of adding features one by one

>>2073139

brushwork is shit, pose is boring, you'll get good eventually don't worry

>>2073130

there's already too many symbol drawing in there, it will not be successful

>>2073128

nice crosshatching, what a shame the structure is not solid at all

>>2073421
Thats a photo, not a drawing.
How am i too help you with that?

>>2073417

>implying mewtwo has a belly button

I finally bought a tablet. I have difficulties to finish my stuff.
What do you think ?

>>2073447
nice comp. almost a shame the figure's there.

>>2073231
torrent jama's gumroad
use big brushes and/or lasso tool

How do I escape the uncanny valley when drawing from imagination?

>>2073518
Maybe focus on learning more abstract qualities like expression and gesture and possibly some facial abnormalities to make things look less artificial. Also just studying from life is a good way to get better at that stuff in general.

Painting is pretty much just deducting from the drawing but can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs.

Yet to light up/paint most of the foreground character and to add atmospheric fog. I can tell that it's turning a bit too murky and hard to read, anything else?

Any cc ? i wonder how i should render the flowers, like if i have to make them one by one or not ?

Topical

>>2073552
good advice, i also would add make sure that the person your drawing is actually looking at something somewhere. so the eyes are aligned and focused. also the viewer should be able to get some 'theory of mind' (wiki it) response, it's ostensibly about the facial expression but it's better to let your own subconscious do it for you.

this stuff is called 'acting' in animation i think, so perhaps that might be a good place to look for tips. (perhaps even looking into acting in general would help too)

>>2073555
I want to be able to see the faces better but they're so dark and my eyes are getting drawn to all the kid's accessories instead.

>>2073579
I'll try to focus on making the faces readable, thanks

>>2073421
thank you, i never heard about it. you can just google "nonerandomdraw".

>>2073572
flowers are of your least worries

A little sketch from just now

>>2073555
yeah like the other guy said, throw some direct light on their faces and this will look tip top

tried fun with a pencil but i lost the funny part along the way

some dude

>>2073679
Very nice concept, but the arms look a little short; when relaxed they should hit just above the half-mark of the thigh generally.

Hands are way too small as well, fingers extended the hand's length should be a third to half the length of the forearm.

Also you might want to be careful with the feature placement of the face before it gets cumbersome.

Try more variation in tones and value as well, and lines and line weight to accentuate the figure or limb's distances and weight.

Guys I'm having a shot at caricature. I hope it's obvious that this is supposed to be Oberyn Martell

>>2073607
>flowers are of your least worries
It's still a wip but yeah i know, can u give some advice ? it have to be a bit manga-ish it's for a contest

>>2073421
>given that the skull is small and there is no foreshortening.. nope

maybe for someone who knows perspective. Not for a beginner.

>>2073679
Not bad anon, but the values are reading very muddy. Everything has the same local value and the value range is too restricted. Also be careful of proportions.

I tried jsut showing a few different local colours instead of everything being a middle grey--I his tunic a white, his hair and gloves black, and then left a middle tone for his skin. Showing some layering to the design helps too--he's got a sorta thing over his shoulders, then his sleeves go down, show his arm underneath poking out, then a big thick leather glove over his hands. At his collar you can see he has some other piece of clothing underneath. And on top of everything I put a couple simple pattern things. A cross type thing on his chest and some line things by the sleeves.

>>2073421
>proko for planes of the face

it's like your trying to lead him astray

listen kid, read bridgman. what I figure is, why would you want to learn a watered down version of a masters work, by some jew only in it for the money? your better then that. bridgman and loomis is where he gets ALL of his content from and I think that you, if not everyone, should be learning from a master, not a student himself

>>2073239
Lol saved

>>2073555
maybe this?

Made using egg tempera, it's not finished yet. I would really appreciate some sort of critique :)

>>2073782
mmm, i love little girls.

>>2073782
I like it. The background is a bit distracting though. You put all of your highest contrast areas where nothing much is happening and there are some distracting tangents surrounding the girl. You could try making the house dimmer and make it look like the girl is almost glowing.

>>2073782
The perspective is really wonky, might be worth the time to fix it all and make sure they are all straight and lead to the vanishing point.

>>2073794
>>2073800

Thank you for the critique !!
I'm still trying to learn perspective, i will also try to improve the composition.

>>2073745
that does seem nice i'll try some similar effect

>>2073719
hopeful bump for critique

>>2073818
its shit move on

>>2073854
Looks like a man, I only realized it was a chick when I saw the filename. You can simplify areas a lot more and get better proportions between the features since it looks a bit off. Post the ref for more specific feedback.

>>2073889

I bet in school he was bullied and everyone called him pancakeface, because his face is as flat as a pancake.

>>2073111
>trips and a nice painting

I like it OP.

whats a good way to go about setting up something like this? Im really clueless outside of observational work and have very little knowledge of anything but the figure.

Right now im going through stuff looking for a painting with good lighting to reference from, cause im completely at a loss at this point lol

>>2073708
>Very nice concept

its a midget with a robe and a machete, what concept?

seriously though, like the others said the arms are child-tier and the folds don't remotely make sense. value range is really small, pose is stiff and nonsensical, and the guy doesn't have ears.

>>2073817
also, i literally used a soft round with an overlay mode turned on, at like 50% oppacity. and painted over a bit to add the colors directly on the layer. if you were curious. looking forward to whatcha do with it

>>2073421
>shits on everybody except >>2073360
>mfw

guy based on that random masked guy from last filling page, liked the shape.

>>2073421
>the nose and features in general have a fucked up placement
yup. he is an ex mma fighter.
he IS pretty fucked up.

>>2073421
>nice crosshatching, what a shame the structure is not solid at all
yeah what a shame

>>2073998
I think these are nice. Were you using references for those vehicles or was that from imagination?

>>2074059
thanks, i drew those in the car from the vehicles around me. unfortunately i only got glances of each so i had to sort of cobble proportions and features together from a bunch of different ones.

gotta push those values i know, but other than that what are the glaring issues?

>>2074070
values

>>2073421
>don't copy reference, base your drawing on it

This is what I did. I think you're a bit far up your ass man.

>>2074015
Interesting designs. Reminds of the Lumen Sages or Angels from Bayonetta. I don't know how I feel about the horns. All this sleek and simple but effective shape in the design, the ridgey goat horns feel out of place to me. But I guess that's just a nit pick.

>>2073361
>>2073369
Who are you, mate? Blog?

>>2074080

oh yeah, thx. it's completely random though,guy with the horns is unrelated. I usually take random pages and try to fill them with whatever comes up to mind. Pic is last one, with the masked guy wich was literally created to fill that place between the other drawings...but I ended up liking it.

>>2074072

better?

>>2074123
no. art isn't for you.

>>2074124
thanks :)

>>2074098
Ah, ok. I just figured they were related. Still, good work overall.

>>2074124
there's a difference between criticism and being angry, and one of those is much more quality than the other.

>>2074123

Definitely better.

hue

iunno...
how to into colours....?

I'm done with this one. I'll make sure to plan lighting beforehand next time, ought to yield better results. Got a bit too caught up with the rendering too, thanks for the help anons

>>2074357
Cute. The character's outfit accessories remind me of Spiral Knights.

>>2073555
not sure if you saw my post on the last thread, but this is a situation when a bit of rim lighting would really help. I went totally overboard, but I hope this gives you an idea of what I mean

>>2074369
I am a fan of Ian McConville and I did spend way too much time in spiral knights I could have spent on drawing, now I'm doing the same with guild wars 2. At least it fills out my visual library I guess.

>>2074372
Yeah I tried it out but I am not confident enough with my lighting yet to pull it off. Next time with more foresight

>>2073914
is his face flat you think, in what way?

>>2074466
I don't like these as much as I used to, the older ones were trippy and had interesting scenery and ideas, while as the recent stuff ur doing just is scrubby, nothing interesting to cover for the lack of skill and bad softwate

>>2074472
i understand you, but idk why im kinda running away from the trippy thing, maybe im starting to think about learning some skill, and this recent drawings are kind of a first step

>>2074477
Sounds great, I would love to see you get into this more seriously, and posting ur progress

Was told to post in a draw thread.

orc showing off his new trophy.

How do I make it less boring...

>>2074585
put more detail on the faces
add texture to the stairs and clothing, etc

>>2074585

Ornamentation without breaking up the larger planes.

Guy in the right of the picture spying (in the dark entrance) - maybe this is a slight secret meeting.

>>2073111

Don't know what I'm doing anymore.

>>2074585
add a cliche dagger in the hand behind the back

>that ugly white halo

Don't know where the fuck that came from. Fixed and made the image smaller.

>>2073558
I absolutely love this effect you have created using the smudging of charcoal, I shall give this a go in my next life drawing class :D

My only critique would be the face looks way over detailed in comparison to the body+surrounding, it pulls you in to much and doesn't let you explore the fun composition you have created.

I'm struggling with the legs and some of the tempeture shifts. Any help would be appreciated.

>>2074585
add in some greys

Not sure about the plant though. It's like I always immediatly go to plants when I just need 'something' to fill space with.

>>2074587
>>2074704

This is it. The figures are obviously key but they are so plain and boring, will definitely introduce some interesting items/clothes that bait the mind into building a story around it.

>>2074612

Thanks anon. Loved the idea of a spy in the windows, but it kind of messed with the comp when I tried it. Ended up planting a third figure in the bg passage though.

>>2074794
What did you do to get this good at colors?
Also, just set up some guidelines to the vps and you could fix it.

>>2074794
> and some of the tempeture shifts
Yeah the dress is definitely on the muddy side (except for the backlit hem). I'd cover it (the dress) in a flat color and start from scratch. It always get muddier when I try to fix it without redoing it. Considering the rest, I'm sure you can manage to find the right solution with enough retries.

>>2074800
>Also, just set up some guidelines to the vps and you could fix it
will do
>What did you do to get this good at colors
James Gurney's "Color and light" was really helpful. Also the schoolism series on color and light(I'm still not finished with this one).

>>2074809
Thanks bruh

>>2074798
looks ominous

I haven't drawn in a long time...

>>2074822

Yes yes that's good

>>2074901
>I haven't drawn in a long time
Stop lying.

>>2074901
I remember you.

>>2074901
neat
wether you draw often or not, it's obvious that you learned how to draw
no false modesty please, it makes people feel like shit

>>2074901
looks great, you should finish it off, I'd be interested to see how you approach drawing hair

>>2074934
haha no offense but you turned a spaniard into a chink, that's amazing

>>2074941
yeah I kept thinking that as I was doing the eyes actually lol

>>2074901
>>2074901
>>2074901
Are you the same artist of these pieces? If so pls provide a link to your blog/page, I love your style.

>>2074934
>ayyyyyy lmao

>>2074950

>>2074945
i don't understand. if you saw the mistake as you were working why didn't you correct it?

>>2073424
fukn rekt

>>2074387
You see the side of his head very clearly but you also see the side of his face past the nose very clearly as well.

>>2074553
Awesome

>>2074954
I'm still working on it, just taking a wee break

>>2074901
nice rendering, shitty face composition though

practice noses and lips a bit more, also iron jaw lady ahoy!

>>2074553
the hatching on the dudes faces looks pretty sloppy. I get that the lines on his chin could be facial hair, but around his eyes and nose it doesn't fit with the clean shading of the rest of the picture. Also that orc's hand is pretty fucked up, as is his ear. looks much better with color though, so gj there.

>>2073111
value study

>>2074934
update

Meh

does it look too much like he has a guy's boot up the ass ?I like the pose /no homo/

>>2075016

Dude. Get it together.

>>2075027

I say yes.

>>2075016
work solidy. try not to blend too much. The edgework is one of the beautiful aspects of this portrait. Near the tear duct of the eyes is a really great hard edge, make sure you get that. don't worry too much about the complicated drawing in the collar, it's a pain in the ass to draw, just simplify the rhythym and you can spend time on it in the end if you want.

It's hard to see but the hair is not that black. Lighten it a little. What's going to make it look dark is the lighter value of the background, which you need to put in.

Flip your canvas a lot. What's making the eyes look off is their relationship. They're nearly horizontal or maybe even slightly on a down-right tilt.

Your horizontal-vertical relationships are key to really doing justice to this portrait. One of them that I fixed is the ear, it's really much lower in comparison to the nose.

Really focus in on the angles of the collar, and try to simplify the shape as best you can.

If I say more it'll be too late, haha.

>>2075016
you don't know how to draw, do you?

>>2075027
Too much boot up the ass. The pose is cool but maybe show a hint of the toe somewhere if you can. Maybe move the ground guy's shoulder on our right, down a little bit - just enough to where you could see some boot. Alternatively you could move the standing guy around but that could be more work than you want to put into it.
Other than the boot up the ass thing it's alright.Your perspective on that post between buildings is a little weird and it lines up just on the standing guy's shoulders and makes a tangent so you'll want to move that and maybe change some values around to separate them.

>>2075039
thanks for the advice man, I appreciate it. I think you managed to address the issues with most of my paintings lol
I think your advice helped improve it a bit, but Ive still got a way to go in general, though I'll probably call it a day with this one.

>>2075051
hello

>>2075057
woops forgot to add image

Why do plains a and b look like they have different orientations? They are supposed to be parallel, and the VP's match perfectly, but the lines still feel extremely wonky to me. What gives?

>>2073130

>>2075060
dunno.
but I do wonder why you have the building in 3-point perspective. If the viewer is not looking up, there is no 3-point convergence. I feel like the image would be better if it was just looking directly level at the two people in front of us.

>>2075060
> They are supposed to be parallel, and the VP's match perfectly
> VP's match perfectly

oboi, this is a mess.

>>2075072

Want a bit of that size to show I guess

>>2075084

Perfectly enough* issue were actually the parallels converging towards the right

>>2075060
I instinct is to push it darker. With the space you've created, it seems like the two shouldn't be equal in intensity.
Another reason why it looks very strange is the doorway (or window, whatever) is not centered on the wall. This makes it read like A, and the connecting wall are closer than the doorway at a glance.

>>2074585
add bright cyan energy ball + not boring.

>>2074784
i shall keep this in mind next class.
thanks

lol.
never change /ic/

>>2074585
Think about what Luvisi would have done.

where can i get good canvas and paints for cheap

>>2075027
Tumblr nose levels dangerously high.

>>2075174
It's really just the tiny speck of white.

>>2075174
please kill yourself immediately

>>2074296
any input would be greatly appreciated

>>2075193
I won't kill myself until I point out every tumblr nose that I spot on this cancerous board.

>>2075163
>merc in the window.
im done. im so done.

>>2075201
>THEY ARE NOT ARTING THE WAY I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD BE ARTING!!!!!

>>2075201
What exactly is a tumblr nose? I don't see anything particularly wrong with that one, except that weird tiny highlight

Wip

>>2073129
>>2073128
icritiqued you a few months back. you have noticeably improved. Not massively, but significantly and in a seemingly well-rounded way.

however you're practicing, keep it up.

>>2075201
What an empty life.

>>2074794
Calling this done now.

Portraits are all I know how to do. I'll move on eventually, but for now critiques on what I can do would certainly be appreciated.

>>2075351
Might wanna crunch out some portrait exercises into the beginner thread

>>2075356
Beginner? man, I considered myself to be at least intermediate. Eh, oh well.

>>2075120
>>2075127
>>2075163

>>2075349
Take some time and do some basic anatomy studies, Start with the neck.

>>2075370
Your fundamentals appear to be lacking or missing and even if they aren't, it's always good to refresh your memory.

>>2073111
I'm trying to grasp three-dimensional objects in three-dimensional space.

Help with composition please :)

Help with composition please :)

where do you guys learn? or are you all art students or something

working on a spooky motivational desktop background.

>>2075436
not everyone here, but yes, more than a few go to art schools.
most here are self taught and have put in the hours to getting gud.

>>2075378
update. jus 4 u

>>2075444
well my paper drawings are good but i need to get that digital drawing going , i have the drawing pad , not a fancy wacom but some Genuis MX tablet .
ive tried watching youtube videos for learning , ive gone through the links in the sticky

this is some basic stuff i was trying out , but i want to do work like >>2075445

There are secrets in the picture. But other than that, what's generally wrong with it.

>>2075454
is the middle man gon get some ogre dick? like the style

>>2075451
alrighty. it sounds like you are ready for the next secret step to gettin gud.

BEHOLD THE SECRET STEP AFTER CONSULTING THE STICKY:
practice.
practice practice practice.
and when your not practicing, you should be practicing, thats the only way your ever going to get gut.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs

>>2075472
practice practice lol , yeah im experimenting with brushes to give me that same texture as i get when i draw on paper with pencil

>>2075484
get paint tool sai, it comes with a "pencil" brush much better than that

>>2075490
thats what im using lol , i need to get a high end pc to enjoy CS or Krita

>>2075109
anon. thats not finished.
keep refining.
the structure is solid, and the comp is nice.
now render or tighten the style.

>>2075407
does this look like TV light?
where do I go from here

>>2075454
This is sexy as fuck.

>>2075512
I think the facial features are too big

>>2075512
The light under the feet are to clear. If the TV is not directly above her, the shadow beneath her feet should be more stretched.

>>2075512
is this a feminist in her natural habitat?

i drew some anime trash
I feel like something is missing though?

>>2075454
swastika next to right Orc

I drew some anime trash
I feel like something is missing?

>>2075555
proper feet , that's what is missing

A quick critique would be much appreciated.

>>2075192

>>2075592
That's just the character design.

So, I printed it in A2 and even a mole can see all the mistakes now
can this work as promotional material for me or I should hide it and pretend nothing happened?

>>2075356

to be honnest this whole thread except 2 or 3 people is beginner tier. yeah, literally only 3.

I'm not good with values or shading. I don't know what to do to get better at this point?

>>2075725

leave the cozy warmth of your comfort zone

>>2075597
don't have any critique, just wanted to let you know that i like it alot

sketchin'

>>2075725
git gud by reading the sticky ye'faggot

>>2075786

awesome

>>2075625
They look more believable in this image

>>2075802
thanks

Study

>>2075786
really good, got more?

Hey, need some quick help here. When doing a character portrait, should you do the background first?

When I do, I feel like the character "isn't" in that background, you know?

Right now I'm working on pic related, I like the background but I'm not sure if I should start with the character already or what.

>>2075857
Nice man

>>2075865
Yeah just put the character on a new layer and keep working on it. I think having the bg blocked in loosely like that for general light/colour is good. Once you flesh out the character you can go back into the bg.

>>2075862
thanks
more at
kalisdevals.tumblr.com

>>2075865
probably good to block in at least the base color for the character

I made him a friend

>>2075985
This would be good if the shapes where cleaner.

Make the transition of the volumes clear. The things are currently flat shapes make them take form!

Face on both of them look unresolved. Mans torso is tiny almost corset-like. Is he suppoesed to be sexy?

They are both resting their hands in an awkward manner. Try standing for yourself and living into their heads, how would he or she pose? There must be more thought, more idea. Less drawing aimlessly boohoo why does my art not good.


Try this:

Take a piece and set a deadline for working on it, say next monday at so and so pm, you will have a time window now of 20 minutes to do work on it, no more no less. You can open it and plan do studies and figure out what you are going to do with it but you are not to make any actualy changes untill that 20 minute window.

You will have a much greater clarity in your work working this way because your changes are actually premeditated and not aimless (BANISH THE THOUGHT OF WORKING ON SOMETHING JUST TO WORK ON IT)

>>2075985

>>2076014
>that last point
You really don't need to, you know that right?

eg. not rendering everything but things like the face is commonly used as a focal point.

>>2076019
>leave it to /ic/ to shitpick on sound advice
if this is a concept piece wich i assume based on what's presented why would the focal point be the face of a character.Only reason for you to not do it is if you're pressed for time and you're on the job.Also shading gives volume and form. Wich is ESSENTIAL if this is to be 3d modeled or something of that nature.

>>2075985
your understanding of edges is lacking.

>>2076014
That first advice is bollocks and just a shortcut to make something presentable without actually attempting to solve the color composition of an image.

>>2076024
>leave it to /ic/ to shitpick on sound advice
Or...maybe I was just disagreeing on a point? Stop that.
>if this is a concept piece wich i assume based on what's presented
The guy said it was just a sketch, bro. Calm down.

>>2076027
>don't put round wheels on a cart
>Lets instead figure out how to use square wheels and create some form of backwardassed contraption to make it work.

>>2076014
This paint over is awful and the advice is clueless

>>2076031
https://youtu.be/C9XbgyH7uxw?t=22s
>sorry anon, you were late for the party

>>2076036
It's funny, because the original one was less muddy and had more interesting values.

>>2076031
You're an idiot. If you make all roads bumpy and straight, square wheels are perfect. Easy solution.

>>2076031
More like:
>Do not have 4 wheels
>Have one that's in front and one that's on the back
>Ying and yang
Just open up a color theory book and stop relying on crutches.

>>2076014
Kek dude pls stop

If your paintover looks way worse than the original it probably means you shouldnt be trying to give a crit

>>2076089
arm and legs look too short, unless he is a dwarf. I recommend giving him more expression, I mean, this spike is in him and he just looks kinda pissed about it. You could make his mouth agape in a scream and the other hand holding the spear too, or it pressed against the ground.

the texture, while interesting, is distracting too. you kinda just went ham in the background and left it

the more I talk and the more I look at it, the more issues arise on a small scale. his hair seems off but I cant put my finger on it. is this from ref? perhaps you can share?

>>2075725
A trick I do for shading is to add a layer ontop of my drawing and use pure black ontop of what I want shaded in, then i chance the opacity to around 75% (more or less) and it gives me a satisfying and simple way to shade!

>>2076123
That's also a shitty and lifeless way to shade. You could at least go with a blue-black or a darker shade that's opposite of whatever color your light source is.

looks like i need to work on rendering

How do I improve this? I was trying to paint a realistic portrait but when I take the line art layer off it looks like a horrible blob. Should I add more values? If so, which values? etc. Thanks guys.

looks like i need to learn how to render

>>2076137
You can always change the color if you're going for something special

and you can always add extra layers ontop for different shades and shit


>shitty and lifeless way to shade
maybe people don't like shading, like yours truly, and it works best for them. art is subjective nigger

>>2075874
Thanks, m8.

>>2076144
Stop symbol drawing. Learn how each feature is done properly and apply that to your paint.

Really rough sketch, I'm still in the very very early stages of learning to draw. Looking through everything ya'll have posted really makes me ashamed to show my crappy sketch. lol

>>2076160
Dont be. Keep it up. Art is a marathon, not a sprint.

>>2075199

Any input would be greatly appreciated

Another selfie from mirror. Crits welcome

I want to start painting this.

What do, how is it, what do I need to improve on

>>2076177
its pretty good. Watch that symmetry on the nose but if you want to paint it those are problems you can fix in the paint. What are you going to use to paint it?

>>2076179
Oil cause fuck acrylic....naw just playin. I just like oils

>>2073111
OP yr thumbnail is makin my dick hard
Any secrets? Any techniques worth sharing?
Where'd you learn coloring/value/etc?

>>2076180
No you're right oils are the shit. So you can definitely fix your drawing problems with oil paint, I would say you probably even have too much drawing, no need to go crazy with the detail if you're just gonna paint over it.

>>2076171
no color

I'm working on a visual novel so I've recently come back to drawing manga / anime characters. To be honest, this is probably only the 3rd thing I've ever drawn & colored in photoshop. I use a wacom bamboo.

My biggest problems are:
1. My lines are shakey as fuck. How do I fix this?
2. Shading. I feel like I can't get it quite right.
3. Not in the picture but hands? I can't draw hands to save my life.

>>2076199
I try to keep these monochromatic-ish, I would like to use more color eventually though something I gotta work on

almost to where i want to be

>>2073111
white indian girl

>>2076201
lurking, /a/non here.

Please tell me this is a thing around here.

>>2076233
heres her booty

>>2076236
Deport this mexican mudslime

>>2076231
Rosie Odonell?

>>2076238
what? she was american. and also indian american not mexican american...

>>2076181
I didn't think it was very successful, but thanks!

>Values
You should mostly concern yourself with the big value shapes. Make them interesting, and make them read. Once that's established, be subtle when refining values within these shapes to not break the big relationships. Look for artists that handle value well, and study their work. Ruan Jia is always good.

>Color
Be aware of the qualities of your light sources (harsh or soft, strong or dull, warm or cool, etc). Learn the difference between specular and diffuse reflections. Try working with a limited palette when first learning color, as you're more likely to get harmonious color relationships.

There are a few good primers on color and light here:
http://androidarts.com/art_tut.htm

This is also worth the read, but it's very dense. You'll have to revisit it periodically to absorb anything:
http://www.huevaluechroma.com/

There's also Gurney's Color and Light that's worth the read. A lot of the content is also on his blog if you don't feel like getting the book.

any suggestions?

drawings of today

>>2076362
I really really like your drawings and my hormone therapy is going very well im feeling pretty smooth and less angry and less ready at the drop of a hat to rape and kill with my bare hands (as is the case with *all* males)--grew my nails out too to discourage any roughhousing. my doctor over here recommended i get on "little bags of straight atlanta coke" all the time to keep me from getting depressed. idk im not really one to dabble seriously in speedy spell drugs like that because my mind these days is such that even an ample dose of caffeine snaps me out and makes me burn bridges and regret even having woken up in anything but a pine box bbbbbuuuuuuttttt it's all going nice nice and every day i get better and closer to winning completely. im really looking forward to getting up there with bruce jenn, i've always been jealous of my grandmother, her sense of wicked fun and freedom and total sexuality--everything that comes with being a grandmother, especially a man becoming. im gonna head out and get some more injections i feel kinda crazy right now haha bb

>lol I draw orcs and strongarms if you draw anything else you suck dick
Social disease

bear cave in the makings

>>2076390
>>2076388
yo, skype

now comes the hardest part. I fucking hate going monochrome to color, I can spend hours and hours on it. fml.

>>2075514
>>2075519
thanks for the advice!

>>2076494
Love it, i'm sure your colors will be fine. messing with the framing of the subject will net you a better compo, and maybe put some shit on those bare walls? Also the girl's face could be more appealing (pic related)

Tried to do an Eagle but feather sucks x)

send help

thoughts

>>2073719
I tried my hand at this a while ago, protip, maintain proportional changes, EG: If you make something bigger, make something else smaller to balance it out.

New thread:
>>2076762
>>2076762

>>2073348
This went wrong when you focused too much on the shape inside the cheek