/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Well I have gotten pretty good with drawing disembodied hands but now I'm still not good at drawing hands on people. They are either two big or small or just plain awkward and unnatural looking. Like what do I do with the hands?

>>2042803
Same guy continued

It would be nice in drawing books for sections where they break down parts of the body to right after ward apply them to an actual full figure for dumb guys like me. Like okay you spent an hour drawing hands now here is what they look like on people to scale now draw that for another hour, great!

>>2042803
>>2042807
You need to learn about proportions, man. Hit up some anatomy books for artists or just observe it yourself.

When the arms are straight to the sides, the fingertips will hit at about mid-thigh. One hand's length is about 3/4 of the forearm. Hands are about the same size as the face.

It's just relationships between one thing and another. And they're going to differ a little between people, too. But it's good to look up what the average is and keep it in mind.

What are some good places to purchase plaster casts of heads, torsos, and other anatomic references?
I currently have a 6" David and Ceasar head that fit nicely on my desk. I don't think I could fit a 24" inch torso study on my desk, so anything small would work great.

Tips on practicing efficiently? I started drawing a little over a month ago, tried to practice every day but I'm not feeling any improvement and I'm betting its because after the first 2/3 weeks or so my practice has been directionless as hell.

>>2043328
Get some courses/worksops/books whatever and follow those on whatever subject if you are starting and already can copy reality at least decently
when you concentrate anatomy and perspective are good continuation points. Michael hampton, scott robertson, gary meyer vilppu, loomis are all good choices

I already asked this question in the previous question thread but no one could help me. I am looking for a book or video that explains how to keep proportions when drawing something from a different view, in perspective. All the stuff i have seen only explain how to get the lengh of the object but never the width or height.
It has been bothering me for many days now, please help.

>>2042708
How do you know you can draw well the figure from imagination

>>2042708
How2draw legs?
They always looking weird

>>2043623
*end up

>>2043610
>Draw figure without reference
>Compare with an actual figure
>Figure out what you did wrong

Not that hard

>>2043580
It's going to involve a station point. So look up measuring in perspective, brah.

Where did the vipplu lectures go, does anyone have em?

>>2043773
Thanks anon, will do.

Is there any interest in sissy/boipussy on /ic/ or /i/? I don't remember seen it but I rarely browse here, so I was wondering if there's even interest in stuff like that. Not technically shota, but not manly either. (no homo, fucking normies etc)

On some 404'd thread someone asked how would one still view the image while in an art program.
One way is just to paste the image onto the canvas.
Another way is PureRef
http://www.pureref.com/
it's an image viewer that stays on top of other windows

How do i actually study from Villpus drawing manual videos?
Right now i sit focused and listen to a lecture, sometimes stopping it, and then afterwards i will apply his techniques and methods.
Is this the right way to go?

Someone saying something encouraging in a really fucking mean way to get me off this board again and back into a loomis.

>>2044600
You can only really improve once you actually start drawing

>>2044605
Jesus fuck that's not what I was expecting but exactly what I needed.

Probably a weird question, but when it comes to pencil leads like HB and softer, how sharp do you keep your pencil? It gets dull and gives different thickness and lineweights in the drawing, until you sharpen it. And I noticed every artist sorta does it differently.

>>2044511
Same thing. Listen to whole thing first and then watch again drawing, pausing, going back, drawing again if it's necessary...

>>2044626
>And I noticed every artist sorta does it differently.
Pretty much, and it varies by the types of marks you want to make.

I pretty much exclusively use 4B leads, and I like the point where it's slightly worn after being freshly sharpened. Often times I accidentally make a chisel tip from drawing, and then I quickly have access to varying thick and thin lines just by rotating the pencil a bit.

Disclaimer: I pretty much only sketch traditionally, and my line quality is lackluster at best.

maybe kind of a dumb question but i want to study skin/color.
what would be the best approach?
do i just try to copy as best as i can refrences and then colorpick and see where i was off and try again?
should this second try be another copy or should i do one from imagination but keeping in mind what i did good and what i did wrong the first time?
if so shouldnt i just color pick from( to know how saturated it goes to the shadows, hue shifts, etc. so not directly colorpicking and painting) the start and go directly to do one from imagination but keeping in mind hue shifts, etc?
also, what kind of pictures are best to study this? how can you tell its a good one and not a photshopped?
pic related. what i think it would be a good pic to study

What's a good way to start off with sculpture? Is Sculpey any good? Would prefer it to be somewhat cheap and I don't have access to a kiln. Just want to play around with small figures

>http://artschoolvideos.com/course/drawing-imagination-self-study/


Has anyone taken this course? If so then how is it and is it any different from his other stuff?

>>2044842
Super Sculpey is great. Very versitle, and you can bake pieces in a conventional oven (safe at the correct temperature, but I wouldn't bake sculpey while cooking food in there).

For bigger sculptures you'd have to make an armature, and possibly use foil as a filler for the core.

Check out Peter Konig's tutorial:
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php/18287-Smellybugs-Maquette-Tutorial-completed!
>Read the first post

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php/18287-Smellybugs-Maquette-Tutorial-completed!/page15
>The rest is reposted here, from post 440 onwards

>>2044836
There are many ways to go about learning skin and color. I first recommend learning how light works:

http://androidarts.com/art_tut.htm
>General primer

http://www.huevaluechroma.com/
>Practically everything you need to know about light. It's complex, so you'll have to revisit it often

Color and Light by Gurney
>Talks about various lighting phenomena. A lot of the material can be found on his blog too

First, you want to learn how to paint diffuse (matte) objects under various lighting conditions. Learn what happens when you use white light on an orange ball, and what happens when you use different colored lights.

Next, learn about specular reflections.

Third, learn about lighting effects that pertain to skin. This includes accounting for the subtle translucency of skin, as well as subsurface scattering. It also helps to learn about how skin hues tend to fluctuate, where that happens, and why.

Lastly, you can use the eyedropper tool to confirm what you learn on photos. Don't worry about pixel by pixel fluctuations, but instead focus on the average color for spots. Try to do studies without color picking from your reference. Do studies of photos, and master paintings too. Try to think about the light sources, and why colors are the way they are. I recommend getting experience painting skin from life. Have friends or family sit for you while they're reading or watching tv. Self portraits from a mirror also work well.

>>2043623
You probably need to learn the musculature, and pay close attention to the bones of the knees. Most artist anatomy resources will walk you through where muscles attach and what they do (Vilppu, Hampton, Bridgman, Peck, etc).

Basically speaking, you want to learn the skeleton first - mostly the major forms, proportions, and a few landmarks where muscles attach. If you can draw that well, and you know where the major muscle groups attach and insert (easy to look up on wikipedia), you can build up the leg from the skeleton.

>in figure drawing class
>judgmental peers and qt naked models make my anxiety skyrocket

Help

how do I ink without stiffening/flattening my image

>>2044626
Most of them lighty use .5 graphite mechanical and then charcoal over it

>>2045171
Try sitting where people can't easily see what you are drawing.

>>2045171
Your peers may be better, but you are there for yourself. Feel the form.
As for the qt sitting there, get a huge boner and just draw her. Suprisingly your dick fuels the libido on paper

>>2045231
Learn Line weight

>>2045287
is that really all there is to it?

>>2045231
Inking is always going to flatten your shit, as real life doesn't have an outline. As the other anon said line weight can help give it some life

>>2045289
Yea

>>2045297
>>2045295

Theres an outline, but you can feel that ass in your hands cant you?
Its because of the thiner lines beneth her pockets. Lines give that ass taste

>>2045300
Like I said it gives it life. The image is still has a hard outline and is flat compared to a rendered image.

>>2045289
Well thats using high contrast and blacks for making figures pop out but yeah, the main thing is STILL lineweight, believe it or not.

And I'm sure its flatter than the original sketch. Its just how it is.

>>2045313
True

>>2042708
So how many hours a week does a concept artist get? And does it change drastically when the company isn't bothering with creating content? I'm like super fucking ignorant about payment in the industry and was curious how would it work when working for a company like Riot versus lets say Bungie or Gearbox.

Is it normal to feel like I'm not learning anything when drawing heads via loomis? Am I just not trying hard enough or being a lazy cunt about it?

>>2045606
Are you drawing real heads too? Not just photos but from life as well.

>>2045610
not as of yet no. should I just skip to that portion and grind some heads out? I feel like I'm relying on the book too much for hand holding as opposed to just using it for a general guideline so I can draw on my own.

>>2045612
All figure drawing resources are meant to supplement drawing the figure from life and photos. This is how you make connections and understand what Loomis/Bridgman/Vilppu/Hampton/etc is trying to demonstrate.

It's like an ikea instruction manual - doesn't make too much sense if you aren't applying it by building the furniture. There's only so much you can understand about forms without observing the forms in person.

>>2045622
Thank you for the clarification. I appreciate it.

What's a good tablet pc to get that doesn't have input lag? Surface pro 3 looks laggy as fuck, and anything android seems shit

>>2045792
Surface Pro 2

What features are you missing most in the art software you're using? How would you like to see it extended?

>>2044970
I went through Hampton's book and his videos a bunch of times and I still can't get them to look right, shit's really frustrating

are there any benefits to using a painters wheel?

>>2045828
Maybe tracing over photos like this can help.
Trace it to find out what and where the fuck hes talking about, but dont publish it to tumblr or whatever.

>>2045829
like the photoshop plugin? You can pick your colors faster

>>2045794
>not fujitsu stylistic master race
pleb

>>2045937
neato ill have to get one of those. thanks!

how do i git gud guys?
well, knowing how to get the would also be nice. no need to be gud to be there right?

>>2044626
When I need the lines to be even thickness I just keep turning the pencil while drawing. Helps providing an average fine line. So when it starts getting dull, rotate a bit.

I also like to have a piece of very fine grain sanding paper or rough and dry aquarell paper to sharpen my soft pencils (2b-11b) and for the hard ones I use a faber-castell portable sharpener. They are the best in my opinion.

When I'm doing live figure drawing, I get proportions very much wrong. I think I draw too big overall and have trouble estimating measurements and sometimes ignore the perspective shift where what's closest to your eyelevel, usually the midsection, is larger than the extremities, because I don't want it looking fisheye-y and also because I tend to make my heads already too small.
Practicing with pictures it's a lot easier (because it's smaller duh) but live drawing is so hard and I feel like I'm just repeating the same ugly, unproportional shit drawings and making the same mistakes.

what equipment do i need to become a pro0

what tutorisla do i watch to become the best

what is the cheat code to get gud

>>2046348
⬆⬆⬇⬇⬅ ➡ ⬅ ➡ B A

>>2046348
>what equipment do i need to become a pro0
Graphic tablet, it's easier to find a job with digital art.
>what tutorisla do i watch to become the best
All of them, start with ones mentioned in sticky ;^)
>what is the cheat code to get gud
Tracing.

whats the best resource to rendering the basic forms?

>>2046367
Scott Robert, SON!
Also master studies

How do I stop bad drawing habits? like scribbling without thinking about form and perspective; or resorting to the same face/same pose; uninspired drawing. i.e. Where do i get good draftsmanship? I'm consulting loomis again, but it's not helping.

I feel as if I'm a beginner again; like I've suddenly lost all my art gains (or maybe they never existed in the first place). This is a very spooky phenomenon for me; i hope some of you d/ic/ks can relate and give advice.

>>2046402
The scribbling really isn't a bad thing so long as you consider it gesture, then once your done you check proportions, then use construction and perspective.

As for the same face, look at different faces from other artists you admire. Read that "FORCE" boom on character design if you have to. We learn best from imitation though, so just imitate different faces that you like. We get it in our heads that we can't use reference when really we are just cheating ourselves.

>>2046402
A lot of that stuff depends on what you're doing. What are you drawing when you scribble and don't think about form and perspective?

>>2046418
Scribbling during gesture can be considered drawing on autopilot. It's actually not a good thing unless you're doing an exercise to loosen up, but that shouldn't last the whole session either. When you do gesture you actually do analyze the figure a lot more than you'd think.

As for the faces, instead of looking at faces from other artists, you kinda.. you know, study lots of different people's faces.

Otherwise you've got good advice.

>>2046432
I suppose it depends on what you're going for. I personally go for a stylized look so, while I jumped through the hoops and already did my life studies, I tend to look at other artists I admire for reverence and sort of blend them together in a way I like. Most of the better comic artists do this as well choosing to learn from art rather than life. Of course, if your going for realism and a more painterly thing, everything is different. It's just crazy how many "rules" and approaches there are to everything.

And yeah, scribbling is mostly for quick gestures, I usually use a very basic looking construction method with general shapes and a line of action, but a lot of good manga artists use the scribble method damn near constantly.

As I said, tons of valid ways to tackle this shit, though it was my bad for assuming he was going the stylized route.

HOW THE FUCK DO I STEP BACKWARD IN PHOTOSHOP WITHOUT SWITCHING LAYERS

How do your push the dynamism and drama in your illustrations?

>>2046479

I think there might be an add on somewhere on Shaddy's website for this, but it might be outdated.

>>2046402

Consider switching to pen to not allow you to erase mistakes.

>>2046079

It might be that you're starting out with minor forms over major; like when drawing a face. unless you really know what you're doing, you always start with the major forms such as the silhouette, and only then place the eyes etc inside of it. Also measure out your proportion using your thumb and pencil, check your shapes, and look at the negative shapes created by the appendages to make sure you're doing it right

What is an anatomy book that will teach me the actual names, locations, shapes and functions of the muscles/bones I need to draw?

I've read Hale's Drawing Lessons From the Great Masters and Vilppu's figure drawing book on /ic/'s recommendation, and while both were good they weren't really what I was looking for.

>>2046607
Bridgman lists names, but some are outdated. If you google the names you find there you can find the newer names, as well as wikipedia articles that list origin and insertion points and have illustrations from Gray's Anatomy.

Peck's Atlas of Human Anatomy should list names as well.

what's the best way to get large traditional works into digital files?

I only have this fucking camera with a fixed wide angle lens and it always warps the image slightly (see my own shitty work in pic)

>>2046656
Take it to kinko's, they'll scan that shit for you.

>>2046656

Take a picture from farther back but zoomed in

>>2046661
I guess that's worth a shot

never liked scanners because they tend to highlight all the bumps of the paper and minute stuff like that, though I've only ever used a standard size one

I'm starting to learn how to draw with Loomis' book Fun with a Pencil. However I do want to get into digital art. Does this carry over into the digital form or is it best used for regular paper and pencil?

I got a sketch book and everything for learning. You guys recommend that beginners should start out reading his stuff. I just want to know I'm headed in the right direction.

>>2046579
Gesture.
For composition go back to Loomis and look at through a painters eye, for the jist.

>>2046674
People reccomemd Loomis [Fun with a pencil] because its grazing the surface but opens up possibilities. I skipped it cause I learned the same thing from pone, which I dont recommend.
Traditional transition to Digital will always be a shitty experience.
Over time it does carry over

>>2046688
>Traditional transition to Digital will always be a shitty experience.

If that's the case then should I start doing this with my tablet instead of paper? Or will that fuck me up in the long run?

What are your guys' opinions on stabilizers like Lazy Nezumi Pro? I'm just trying it out for the first time and it has totally closed the gap between how much better I am at drawing on paper than I am with a tablet. It's seriously awesome from my perspective, but I wonder if they're frowned upon in the community?

>>2046868
why the fuck would you care what the "community" thinks? there are no rules, just tools

I'm looking for refs on this kind of mechanical extension. Do you know the name? Can't find it...

>>2046868
If you can already do that on paper I see no problem with it. Even if you weren't that great so what?
When people use things like that as a crutch (as in LETS TURN THE STABILIZER ALL THE WAY UP IM SO GREAT AT ART GUYS) then it irks me but again
Doesn't fucking matter

>>2046957
(I find it two minutes after asking)

Accordion gangplank.

>>2046892
people bash artists here all the time for photobashing. I was just curious if this was considered a similar offense, since it seems to make drawing what you meant to so much easier

i posted my question in the beginner thread but didn't get any objective answers.

i have two digital paintings im working on (my first two) and i want to print them when im done but im unsure of how to size them.

right now the canvas sizes are about the same for both 38x28 inches. i have them both set at 100 ppi for about 3800x2800 pixel.

how big should i print them at?

I'm having huge difficulties getting anything to look right when I draw in photoshop, I'm still a beginner so I'm guessing this has a lot to do with it but it's really frustrating when I can for example draw a nice circle on paper but I can't do the same shit in photoshop everything looks wonky.

>inb4 just use it more
I've had this thing for a while now and I have no problem sculpting with it in zBrush or editing textures in PS

>>2047316
It has nothing to do with Photoshop, but your lack of practice on a tablet. Practice more.

And don't use a fucking crutch like a stabilizer on SAI if somebody recommends that. Actually learn how to draw on a tablet.

>>2047316

Just use it more, but on the off chance that your tablet is actually to blame, have you set it up properly? If it's a wacom in the driver settings makes sure you have "force proportions" selected.

What do the folks here think about using vidja as an art tool? I like the idea of creating different types of 3D models that can be rotated. This is in addition to mastering the fundamentals, of course.

Where's a good place to learn how to start painting? Any recommended books or videos?
I can draw very well, but I can't paint for shit. I want to change that.

I'm having a hard time figure drawing. I used to be showing decent progress in that I could get most of the figure on paper. While my ability to show greater detail may have improved just slightly, I can't capture the pose quickly enough.

I'm asking /ic/ what may be some of your personal tricks to pumping out images and body parts quickly and efficiently. Even if you have to go back to add detail, I'm sure you have a trick to get the proportions in and ready to go.

If not, please let me know what I can do to make my practicing more efficient. I don't have a chance with formal education on the matter for a couple of months, so I really could use your guys' help.

>>2047523
They seem kind of stiff. I mean sure you can use them for the learning stages but after a while you see that its really stiff.

However you are focused on trying to get that 3d space in your mind right?

>>2047904
Gurney's journey and anything Gurney made

I decided to catch up with 2d animation movies and looking for masterfully crafted classic handdrawn animations like Disney's, Akira, stuff form Miyazaki, Redline etc.

I feel kind of dirty drawing something based of a whole body reference ( the exact same pose ), I've only looked at it a few times to get the main parts done similarly.

Is it a bad thing for someone trying to learn to draw? It felt like I was cheating myself.

>>2048292
You can use a reference dude.
No need to be disgruntled.

hi /ic/ i got a problem with my intuos CTH-480 driver. it won't detect my tablet automatically and requires me to restart my PC (sometimes more than 1 time) before it could start working.

i have asked this question before on the tablet thread, they told me to completely uninstall the driver and install a different version of the driver from the wacom site, i did..

...yet the problem still persists. it's still nowhere as 'plug-and-play' as it's supposed to be.. now it's more like 'plug-restartyourPC3times-and-play'

..and by the 18th restart i got this

>the driver voluntarily removed itself
>all my wat

wtf am i supposed to do guys?... please help, i'm getting really desperate here :c

>>2048340
reinstall it

>>2048347
already reinstalled both versions several times

>>2048348
Happens to me as well its usually caused by pressing the tablets buttons or acting too quickly while using the tablet

if the driver fails do this

>startmenu
>type services
>hit w
>All currently running operations that start with w will show up
>find wacom driver
>hit stop hit start restart ect until driver works again

its an odd bug but it will stop if you only use your keyboard

>>2048348
o right another thing alot of the new drivers are unstable

find an older stable version
im sure google can help you with that

>>2048352
i have tried the older version too, but still....

..however, i haven't try this one though >>2048349
i'll try it when it starts acting up again.. thanks

>>2045355
that nose is fucked
also planes of the head

>>2048041
Have you looked into Vilppu and Hampton?

Have you done gesture drawings before? 30 second drawings? 2 minute gesture drawings?

>>2048229
Just to see how a character with different clothes and such looks in 3D, yeah. There are also some games like Monster Hunter that allow you to do gestures.

I'm shit at drawing clothes from imagination so sometimes I use my pinterest board so I can study actual fashion. Just got curious the other day though. What would be the line of copyright infringement? Pretty sure no one can claim ownership of red T-shirts with jeans but was unsure about where the line is usually drawn.

I mean half the time those fucking magazine literally say steal this look so...but the last thing I want is some tumblerina saying I'm a thief

>>2044416
put it on tumbles and call them trans and boom profit

Isn't 'drawing what you see' just copying? Aren't studies just copying the damn thing you're trying to draw?

>>2048592
drawing what you see is an attempt at copying yes. then you can see what problems you have that keep you from making the picture looking realistic. it could be proportions, shading, perspective or simply lack of interest. honestly drawing what you see in figure drawing would kill your drawing and in that instance you exaggerate the bends for gesture.

>>2048592

Basically yes but you should be observing and internalizing it. It's one of the first skills a complete newfag should learn, the other being construction out of simple 3D shapes.

>>2048362
It would be a shame if that was the main focus point

>>2048535
I use pintrest as well.
I dont get flak

>>2044416
On /ic/ or /i/?
Probably not.

Everyone else especailly /v/?
Fuck yes

>>2048733

nah

>>2048976

okay!

Do (digital) artists paint the whole painting from imagination or do they use multiple references to achieve the final result?

>>2048667
>>2048690
What about people shading figures? What could they possibly gain from just smudging parts where THEY SEE on the figure the shadow falls?

>>2049010
Most competent artists can produce whole images without reference. but using reference saves time and improves quality almost always.

This seems like a good place to ask, so what high quality drawing tablets do you guys recommend?
looking to spend no more than 200$ though.

Is it supposed to be a bit hard to do lineart in PS? Will I get used to it or something?

>>2049246

yes. yes.

I have unlimited time to draw. I sketch at least two hours daily but on an average day I'll draw six to sometimes twelve hours.
And I think I fucked that up

I went to a local community college to get information and forms for admission. I thought I'd enroll this summer to start my remedial courses, figuring it would be two classes a week for the semester and be on track for my AA this fall.
Turns out I don't need those classes and I can go straight into general studies. This is a problem because I wasn't planning on going right to being a full time student.
Classes start early may. I have surgery at the end of this month.

What should I do? Should i bring supplies with me and do life drawing while I have the free moment on campus?

This school has an arts program, but not at the campus I'm attending. That campus is an hour away and has student housing but my boyfriend needs me here to support our home. So I'm conflicted on that.

I'm just a weak minded with big dreams. Feeling overwhelmed.

>>2049321
Get a doctors note from the surgery and excuse yourself for the first week or so from school. Email the teachers about what books you need to buy in order to catch up.
Home is where the heart is. There will be another way

>>2042708
is this correct? how can i get better at values on complex forms (like faces and muscles)?

>>2049497
The terminator looks like it could be a bit harder. The shadow region of the ball should be larger if you're going for a light source light the sun as your primary - right now it looks like a wide light source like blue skylight. For light sources like the sun, exactly half of the sphere would be in light and the other half in shadow (in 3d space).

The cast shadow could soften a bit as you get further away from the ball. I think it also needs a stronger occlusion shadow where the ball meets the ground. I think the point where the cast shadow meets the terminator is correct, but we might get the shadow to extend further down at it's midpoint due to the curvature of the sphere.

Overall it seems alright for a matte object. I'm not sure how you approached it, but if you go about painting light sources individually (and even on separate layers), it's much easier to get correct. Start with your ambient light sources (fill light), then paint in your primary light source (key light) on top, then lastly add in the bounce light. If you have any specular reflections, I'd do that separately after all the diffuse are painted in.

>>2049511
thank you very much for your detailed critique! what do you mean by "The terminator"? i tried to google it but i only get results related to the movies.
also, is pic related any better? cant figure out how to fix it

>>2049531
The terminator is also called the core shadow.

Check out
http://www.huevaluechroma.com/021.php

The perspective on your block is broken. Also, there's a cool little exercise so that you can figure out how light or dark a plane should be:

Note that a sphere can be thought of as being made up of lots of smaller planes (think like a 3D render). The more planes present, the closer you get to what looks like a smooth sphere.

If you draw a small sphere off to the side and render it under the exact same lighting conditions (like your first image), you can then locate a given plane on your sphere that corresponds to a plane on your object. That will tell you what value it needs to be.

For the block, you'd want to find on your test sphere a plane facing upwards, a plane facing forward and a bit to the left, and a plane midway between facing the front and facing the right.

If you want any of that stuff in a lot more depth, try to get your hands on Advanced Lighting with Sam Nielson. cgp should have it

>>2049497

I am having problem doing ink washes. I rarely can seem to get the consistency right and when I do, my values are way off. I am not sure if I am mixing the correctly. I can't find any good tutorials on how to properly mix an ink wash.

Do I put the ink and a bit of water on a pallet and mix it on the pallet? Do I pour ink into a jar of water and use that? How the shit do I actually mix it?

Also, whenever I ink with my Winsor & Newton Series 7 Round Size 2 brush, I can keep a point for a little bit before it split into two little points at the end. I have never really used brushed before so I am just winging it and failing pretty spectacularly.

Theres a book for drawing what you see, but is there anything for Paunting what you see? Like determining what colors are where, how to accurately mix the right colors, etc.

>>2049936
Schmid's Ala Prima vaguely covers that. It won't teach you step by step how to mix paints and what color to use where, but it does provide tools for evaluating the shapes you put on the canvas. It's more about theory than technique, but still a useful read.

Does anyone want to give me a basic talk through/introduction to Corel Painter here? Whatever you write I'll copy into my desktop and read through next time I'm giving it a go
Just about how it works/does/how should I use it, perhaps give me the memiest gist of it possible if you don't want to explain it

I'd prefer to seek out firsthand reccomendation rather than some manual or video
My starting point is absolute novice

how do you choose what you want to be your art form? For that past 5 years I have been damn near constantly jumping around between focusing on pixel art, to inking and line work, to painting, to animation, to sculpting... to everything. It's like I just want to much and what will end up happening is I'll get so far along in one thing, get stuck or inspired by something else, then completely jump ship.

I just can't stay focused on one form of art and now I feel like I'm okay in all areas but don't really excel in any. I've gotten to the point where I don't even know what I want and am on some weird creative stand by. It's like an art block, but I can still do requests, I just don't know what I myself want.

Would video game snaps and screenshots be a viable option to study when it comes to perspective? Or basic perspective?

There's a youtuber I've been trying to find. A few months ago I watched a video showing how to draw the face at a 3/4 angle. He had a transparent paper to show the values of the face he was drawing (I think it was a black musician?) and it was incredibly helpful. The youtuber himself was also black.

Anybody know who I'm talking about? Thanks in advance.

>never be interested in character design
>have idea for mask/helmet thing
>decide hey i should build a character around said helmet
>fucking two hours later barely have a vague concept of what i want character to look like

is it normal for imagination to come so slow? does it come quicker with time? and i already know about the visual library and yes mine sucks. but two fugging hours seems like a long time to think up some armor/attire to accompany the helmet i thought of

I wanted to get the Conte 1710 pencil, do you guys know of any art stores I can get it from in Sydney? I'm from Parramatta.

>>2050308
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd_XxELtX7g

Mothafucking Alphonso.

Also the guy he's drawing is Art Blakey, pretty legit jazz musician.

>>2050179
probably not, I think the camera in a video game warps the geometry of an environment

>>2050368
Holy fuck, a d/ic/k anon delivers. Thank you so, so much!

college courses: is it better to take Illustration and do animation on the side, or take Animation and do illustration on the side?

>>2048289
what is the question here?

How do I make the best of living with my parents and having a fairly small room?
There's really not much space I feel for drawing or arting
Is drawing outside any good? Feels a bit non-technical though

Here's a pic I've always thought would trigger the shit out of you guys

Most books about anatomy show hands and arms in detail but separate. Any resource that shows them together with all the details?

>>2050527

holy proportions batman!
Other than that it's a decent piece.

>>2050527

>Here's a pic I've always thought would trigger the shit out of you guys

Why? Dante is a cool nigga and everybody knows that.

>>2050531
his head looks like a tiny golfball on top of that massive body
He's also like 11? 13 heads tall or something..
You're right it is a decent piece though but a dumb style

>>2050316
Don't go fully original as you aren't a story writer.

Go from something existing and place your character in that world. Then you get enough references, too.

What do you guys think about sometimes useing the color picker tool on the ref while doing an acrylic study of it? Is it the same as color picking from a reference?

>>2050554
No rules only tools.

If your goal is to learn to identify colors on your own, I'd steer away from the color picker as much as possible. Since you're working with acrylics, you do still have to manually mix the target color you want, so I wouldn't say it's as much as a hindrance to your learning compared to painting digitally.

If your goal is to make the best painting possible, then by all means use every tool at your disposal.

Do you guys have anyway of getting good with graphics tablets? I got one because I wanted to start drawing on my laptop (because it kinda looks nicer) but I'm having a bit of trouble. Also, any recommendations for Mac programs that are really good for drawing? (preferably free)

>>2050571
You could start with coloring sketches, doesn't need precision, but gives some experience.

Which of the Youtube channels are good at teaching perspective? I read Perspective Made Easy but it turns out I can't even understand how to apply even the most baby-tier concepts without having my hand held.

>>2050880
I used this guy's videos to learn about measuring points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDTLSybVfuY

Are there many people on /ic/ who do art just for fun or because they love it, rather than as a job? Not that there's anything wrong with doing it professionally, but personally I wouldn't feel right making money from it even if I were good enough to. Does anyone else here feel the same way?

>>2051340
>do art just for fun

>>2051340
I do it because it's fun. I am currently studying to get a major in electrical engineering.

It's not because of morals. It's purely because I would probably earn more money as an engineer than an artist.

>>2051340
yeah me, kinda like i just wanna git gud for myself cause i would love to die knowing that i spent my whole life building up this skill. (let alone i only know how to express myself visually and i fucking need to cause i feel insane every fucking day)
but what the fuck am i going to with all these motherfucking paintings? be a jew and trick people into buying it to pay the rent or buy more art supplies haha

wont lie, probably just gonna be a poor fag, get by and well poof - die

>>2051344
I'm doing exactly the same actually.

>>2051422
... Do you... currently have a broken leg by any chance...?

I've been going through this guide for my 1 year of fundamentals and I'm currently about 4 weeks in, about to finish Eric Olson's perspective series 1-10, so I'll be moving on to Scott Robertson's Gnome videos. I've taken a quick look at them already and and it's all done traditionally. I find it quite hard to do mechanical objects etc. using Photoshop or other programs, I was wondering if you guys could supply me with any video tutorials on how to do this sort of industrial design stuff on Photoshop that's quite mechanical.


I found this video that has helped, but I more specifically wanted to know how to do really tight looking cars etc. like how Scott Robertson does. I can do that traditionally but its a real struggle to do it on Photoshop I don't know the correct techniques and need some video tutorials showing me how it's done because the method seems to be a bit different.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rD-DwgqeQo

Are there any resources/books/tutorials/websites that I can look at to help me learn how to sculpt faces/busts?

>>2051340
I only draw for my husband. So no, thats fine.

What are some good books/videos that talk about composition and what you can achieve with different types of elements that you include/exclude.

I know that Hampton's Figure Drawing and Invention covers it just a little bit. But is there anything more in depth?

>>2050880
Find a torrent somewhere that has Erik Olsen's perspective. If you can't find one, pay for a month at New Masters Academy and record his lectures.
Seriously, I wish I learned perspective correctly in the beginning. Where I'm at now, I had to make up so much time. I had a good idea, but nothing compared to what I know now.

The only hard part is understanding the different Vocabulary and the relationships between each point and line. But once those are out of the way, you're free as a bird.

Trust me, your future self will thank you tremendously.

>>2052193
Loomis's Successful Drawing and/or Creative Illustration talks a tiny bit about composition IIRC.

Framed Ink talks about composition, but it mostly focused on narrative for comics, graphic novels and film.

I haven't found anything that covers it in depth yet.

How do I get better with building tones and such?

My figures are alright, and I think I'm progressing well when it comes to form and all that, but I think I'm dog shit when I have to shade accurately without a ref.

How do I get good at drawing anime. Fuck you. I wanna draw hentai. This is serious, sorry if I offend you. I really just wanna be able to draw anime well...

>>2052282
Reduce features into basic shapes.
In order for a form to read correctly, the shadow must be tracked along the form correctly.

So, get some matte geometric shapes and a flashlight and see how cubes, spheres, cylinders, cones, etc work under direct light, and study how shadows are created.

THEN, take that knowledge and shove it into anatomy. What is the most basic form of the arm? A cylinder. How about the bicep? That's kind of like half of an egg shape. What about the torso? Well, that's basically a rectangle that can twist and bend at the center.

Being able to understand basic forms and figuring out which forms apply to which muscle is, truly, the only way you'll be able to "correctly" render accurately.

(I say "correctly" because as long as you know what you're doing, you can purposely make something look wrong but make it look realistic)

Serious question, guys. I'm new to how to handle oil paint + wood planks and all that jazz.

I'm doing an oil painting on wood planks and on certain parts of the piece I want the wood to show through so I'm putting down teak oil and pine tar and putting down some lacquer over it. I'm leaving the areas I need to paint blank. But out of curiousity, can I paint on top of lacquer with oil paint? Or will it just completely fuck up the whole painting.

>>2052369
is fine as long as it's an oil based lacquer

>>2052297
You immerse yourself into Japanese culture by committing seppuku.

>>2052393
you commit suicide
you perform seppuku

>>2052381
and if you're still nervous about it you can just treat the wood with the same medium you're using for the oil paint, then you know they're 100% compatible because they're the same thing :p

>>2052396
You commit both.

>>2052401
nope you are wrong. you commit suicide. you perform seppuku, you commit murder you perform an execution.

Does anyone have a good way of storing charcoal drawings safely without fixing them. i've been doing some very soft vine charcoal drawings and they're delicate as fuck, fixing ruins them, but i don't think they'd last much longer even under tissue paper, so any ideas?

>>2052452
Just google the words "commit seppuku" and shut the fuck up, please.

>>2052457
You got a few choices:

1. Find a fixative that doesn't alter the color/image in a way you don't want it to. Different brands may have different effects. This is your BEST option. There is literally nothing you can do for your drawings that preserves them better than fixative. Maybe step back more so the spray doesn't blow as hard. Do a few light layers with time to dry in between each application and then go in and make corrections, the fixative layer should help the new charcoal "stick" a little better. Test brands on scraps of paper and scribbles to see the effect it has before committing to a finished piece.

2. Frame is ASAP. Once it's behind glass/plexi it should be safe from bad touches and whatnot. However movement, vibration and temperature change can still affect the drawing. Triple mat it so it doesn't rub against the glass. Try not to move it too much and transport flat.

3. Store in a flat drawer large enough to accommodate your drawing and put a layer of glassine paper over it. Disturb it as little as possible. If you want to take it out a lot to look at/show people, see 1 or 2.

How do you guys keep motivated? I find myself slipping more and more into depression because I can't seem to focus on studying and practicing because of coursework.

>>2052474
more than one person being wrong doesn't make those people correct.

>>2052664
If you can cite this (no, showing your weeb power level doesn't count), I will concede. Go ahead.

>>2052667
commit implies perpetration, seppuku is practically the opposite. like i said, you don't commit executions, you perform executions because it's not a transgressive act, it's a judicial act, same with seppuku. it doesn't need citing, it's just best-practice.

>>2052678
Thanks for the confirmation that you've been talking out your ass.

Where can I find commission listings besids freelancer.com and reddit.com/r/artstore?

Beginner of seven months here; so when drawing figures from reference, what should I be focusing on? Like I want to start learning how to draw people, but I don't want to like, blindly copy photographs either (Life drawing classes are out of the picture sadly, none are around)

Is constructing the figures and never tracing the way to go about it?

How do I keep a point on my Winsor & Newton 7 Series round Size 2? The point likes to split into two smaller points. I see videos of artists inking and the brush is a perfect point all the time.

>>2053200
There are a lot of blind copiers on this board, so expect conflicting advice. What works best for me is drawing from imagination first and then using reference to correct my mistakes or fill in any blanks.

>>2052650
Understand that college comes first, but is in the end temporary; there will be time for you to study on your art and improve, and you have the rest of your life to get better.

This might be a really silly question, but I have a 2 hour life drawing session in 30 minutes. I've got ~25 newsprint sheets clamped to the board (two locks sort of like a bobby pin, best way to describe it). How do I quickly change sheets when the poses change, especially for the shorter poses? Do I just rip it off (newsprint isn't sturdy enough to pull out of the clamp, so I'd have to tear it), or hold the current stack of drawings up with one arm as I work on the next drawing?

>>2053479
Just flip them up and over the board like on a notepad.

>>2053483

>>2053483
>>2053485

Oh. Fucking duh. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Thanks. I'm off on my quest to git gud.

Can someone help me out on how to Draw Calves? I can Draw EVERYTHING exept Hands, calves And feet

>>2053489

>>2053489
and cloth.

>>2053489
Calves are basically upside down bowling pins.

>>2053495
>>2053497
>>2053501
Holy shit thanks

>>2053503
Start reading some books. Loomis, Famous Artist Course, etc.

>>2052751
https://www.behance.net/joblist
http://www.freelance.com/en/
https://www.elance.com/
http://www.coroflot.com/jobs
http://www.simplyhired.com/
http://www.envato.com/

>>2053210
Splitting happens, though good brush care will prolong the lifespan of the brush.

>After buying the brush: rinse in cool to lukewarm water to wash off the gum which is applied to the bristles for protection and presentation. Avoid excessive pressure or you will damage them. Let dry.

>Do not leave a brush standing in water when you are not painting. Allowing it to remain damp between sessions can promote decay of wood and hair inside the ferrule.

>After cleaning, form the hair into a straight pointed shape by lightly drawing the brush between the thumb and adjacent two fingers from ferrule to tip. Do not squeeze, wring, grip or tug. Stand the brush with the tuft upwards where it can dry naturally.

>While painting or cleaning, do not press the brush down so hard that the hairs are forced out at a sharp angle to the ferrule.

>Do not allow paint to dry on the brush

>Extend the lifespan of your brush by avoiding harsh cleaning agents, try using just water or a small amount of conditioning hair shampoo

>Pay attention to the area where the hair enters the ferrule. Allowing paint to accumulate here will cause the tuft to splay permanently.

>>2053519
Hmm. I wonder why I see artists who ink with these brushes they have like... Permanent points. I don't press down very hard and it still splits. I may just need to learn how to use a brush properly. I don't pain, all I do is ink and ink wash with the brush.

Thanks for the tips.

It seems like the popular thing to do with digital paintings is to render things photorealistically. I recently fell in love with the whole impressionist style painting techniques and theory.
Is there an easy way to get some sort of impressionist feel to my digital paintings? Where you can see the brush strokes and the millions of different colors?
Should I download a brush pack? Certain type of software? Just use round brush?

>>2053594
careful care and quick replacement once the tips become unsuitable. when my brushes go to hell I downgrade them to stuff like applying glue or work-horse work and get new ones.

>>2053739
You can try programs that emulate traditional mediums. I hear Artrage is a pretty good for its price sort of program for that stuff.

>>2042708
I can't draw a circle. It always ends up lopsided. How fix.

not sure how to ask this, but is there a particular brush setting/pack that nips use for this type of lineart? i can't seem to get the spread/bleed going with just a pen or hard/round in ps. been bugging me for ages.

>>2053870
in the meantime
compass, string, coins, bottle caps

Otherwise, just practice drawing circles in one stroke really quickly. That's they only way you'll get better with circles.

>>2053870
Think about what is significant in a line, curve, circle, ellipse and draw that. It's important that it is identifiable, perfection comes with time.

>>2053887
Looks like scanned in hand drawn lineart, probably just a straight up pen like a micron. I think the "bleeds" are where the artist overlapped strokes, you can see th end of the second stroke sticking out sometimes.

>>2053870
Draw slower.

how do you guys improve your visual memory? Seems like a lot of artists learn how to draw something and it's easy to recall and draw again but for me if I learn to draw something if I don't do the same thing every day it seems like I completely forget how to draw it two days later. The problem with that is if I have to keep drawing the same thing how will I move on to other things Without sucking at the previous thing?

>>2054161
start with composing things from rectangles, more complex forms will be easier as you go on.

>>2054173
Sorry but could you elaborate more on this?

>>2054229
He's probably taking about breaking things down into simple shapes, which make forms easier to remember and understand.

>>2054229
I said something weird. Sorry about that.

2 helpers:
- Split what you want up into smaller parts and remember how you draw the simpler parts and how and if they relate to each other.
- Use and make references. This allows you to jump between topics. External visual memory beats internal visual memory. Examples are character sheets and concept art. Make sure the references help you to get back into drawing something.

Hope that helps more.

>>2054328
yeah, that helps a lot, too.

I'm a beginner, practicing for like 10 hours a day, 7 days a week currently, and I began to notice a few days ago that I was starting to get this sort of 3D tunnel vision when getting really in depth with a drawing. I could really wrap my head around forms and surfaces as I drew, as if I were physically in its 3D space... kinda like working with clay. But the moment my focus wavered I'd get sucked back into myself just drawing forms on a 2D screen.

I was wondering if anyone with experience can relate to this sort of "stepping into your artwork's 3d space" feeling? Or if it's just a side effect of my entire life basically being art? I have to admit it's pretty cool and certainly makes drawing more intuitive.

I'm gonna be getting a brush pen and I wanted to know what was some good paper to use for it?

How do I understand having messy sketches? Most of the time I want to draw something, I put out some shapes and then draw over them to correct them. I feel like I'm not really drawing, but shoving multiple possible outcomes and picking the ones that feel right to me.

Is there anything in between this and drawing like good artists where their first sketch could even be the final lineart?

I feel like this is a mindless process and it's wrong but I don't know what to feel about it.

example included

>>2054632
Dumb question, just erase it and re-do it until it is fine, since this is CG it will cause no damage to the final piece. And sketches are meant to be somewhat messy. If you need to "feel" it and cannot tell which one is the right one by glance, then you need to study the part you are trying to draw.

How do you practice drawing when you aren't able to draw anything at all?

>>2054632
I had this problem. I found out I was drawing too fast. Try drawing slower. Try drawing using your brain and eyes rather than your pencil.

>>2054702
>>2054780

Thanks, that's the insight I was hoping for.

>>2054776
Practice along side the books you're studying. Apply the principles you learn to your drawings. Do studies using reference, either photographic or real life.

Two questions;

1. Any book that teaches this construction method on detail or any tutorial/videos/etc that teaches me how construct/draw anatomy using this method?

2. Can I learn how to shade a face shading each part separately? Example-- I study and shade an eye separately. Then I study and and shade a nose, etc. Or should a study everything together? The entire face?

All of a sudden, my tablet mapping fucks up when i open sai and it acts as if it's using both monitors when in my tablets settings it's set to only one.
Anyone know how to fix this?

>>2055064
Gods, I'm dumb. Here's the method.

>>2042708
Invited for a gymnastics show. Worth going for gesture drawing?

Don't feel like going otherwise...

>>2053516
Thanks dude. I knew about freelancer & elance, the others are new to me. Do you have personal experience with some of those?

>>2055064
>1.
Vilppu and Hampton
>2.
You can, but it's best to study the whole. Not just the face, but the entire head. Learn the proportions and major planes of the largest forms, then slowly work your way down to smaller forms. This means you learn the planes of the whole head before learning the planes of the upper eyelid.

If you have issues with modeling light convincingly, then study lighting basic forms first (spheres, cubes, etc).

>>2055074
Thank you. I have problems with the lighting. I'm getting used to draw the head. Can I use loomis shaded faces as study subject?

>>2055071
vilppu's drawing manual on basic figure drawing

>>2055092
Any more from him?

Someone has a good source for Chibi-tutorials?
Im kinda new to drawing and I like those extreme emotions.

How do I get out of reference hell?
Got decent at drawing from reference but I suck at anything from my imagination, despite having a clear image in my head.

Also I'm never happy with my faces, drawing animals, still life, landscapes are all ok but as soon as a face comes up it's too engrained in my mind how a face should look the tiniest error makes the face look awful, also lips. I hate lips.

>>2055159
Just draw more from imagination.

And practice. I don't know why you're overthinking this.

>>2055157
"moe chara/character/bishoujo <long title>" books have material for this, but not a specific book to learn everything necessary. You can find them and more on yande.re and e-hentai.

How important is blending modes on a professional level? Could you just achieve everything with a bunch of swatches and opacity and mixtures, since the logic is that you can make nice b&w paintings, so you should be able to do it in color nicely too if you have a ton of color knowledge?

>>2055268
Blending modes just make everything easier, more efficient, and versatile. I don't see why you wouldn't learn them.

stupid question comming through: how do you know you should charge your pen?

>>2055268
Less work to achieve the same result.

Any gnomon or any other video or tutorial that teach how to comic book inking? Or this one is the best tutorial out there?

Is there such a thing as a shit pencil?

Is it unreasonable to expect the effect Vilppu gets with a regular HB/2B/3B/4B pencil, or am I just shit with pencils?
I'm decent with charcoal, but my pencil work looks NOTHING like the stuff I see some people do.

I know they use thicker pencils that they cut the wood off of with a knife, but how big is the difference?

How do I work quicker? I spend days and days just rendering. This is a very, very serious issue because jsut doing one detail takes up an entire day and I can't afford to work at such an excruciatingly slow pace. But if I don't it just doesn't look good. Dunno what brushes to use for the shading to look good without shitloads and shitloads of rendering.

>>2055337
Put more paper under it.

You can get nice strokes with a mechanical pencil. No need to cut.

Anyone has experience with brush pens? I want to get myself some, but have no clue what is good and what is bad.

Can Someone Write over this and Tell me whats Wrong?

What are master studies?

>>2055394
Try to work on simplifying your drawings. Ask yourself these questions: Are you drawing in pores? Drawing in one hair at a time? Are your outlines quick and effective or do you put in details before sketching everything out?

>>2050472
very late reply, sorry.
I would say illustration with animation on the side. This completely depends on instructors and what YOU want to do with your art. Animation in my opinion is easy to learn on your own online. Illustration is more complex than animation as well.

How would I go about painting a plane with oilpaints or acrylics? would I draw it over the painted background or?

Do you guys think the Watts online course is worth the $99 a month on fundamentals? I'm seriously considering taking this or New Masters Academy during the summer if I have some extra money.

I have a problem when i draw i slowly lean closer and closer to my monitor and i only notice it until my face is inches away.
Has anyone else had this problem?

How do I find a master artist to be his sex slave in exchange for learning his techniques.

Life is suffering

>>2056137
How is that a problem?

How the fuck do I draw from imagination

I'm not new by any means, and I'm pretty good with a model, but as soon as I have to come up with a pose everything goes out the fucking window. I know proportions, I do lots of gesture drawings, but everything turns out wonky and stiff, and I have to go over it and over it and over it until I get something I'm decently happy with.

Sorry about not posting for a while like I said I fucked my thumb up a bit, and try some speech to text program so sorry if there's any weird errors.

>>2042807
>>2042803

Try making very rough figures, boxes shit out as much as you can and then just have the hand as though all the fingers were extended and make that a box instead of trying to add a fully formed hand onto a body before you understand the proportions.

>>2043210

I'd have to take a guess Amazon, barring that you have any local pottery shops? They might supply what you're looking for. If all else fails try and find some art stores in your area and look there, they might even have a way for you to order them through the store.

>>2043328

Draw something, then set that something aside with all of the reference for month or two, then in a month or two try drawing it again from the reference and compare. I believe this would be the best way to show off how much better you're getting on a month-to-month basis than just wondering if you're getting better. Granted practicing effectively would help a lot so don't stop trying to figure out new ways to more efficiently practice.
Get a basic understanding of perspective
understand proportion
and understand construction
don't render your shit, If you have to just map in the shadows

I think those are the basics that I'd follow.

>>2043580
probably because what you're asking for is the more advanced perspective stuff, when I explained perspective the people I always say that it's very easy but time-consuming, and what you're asking for is a very time-consuming thing. I also say that perspective is like a puzzle where the only thing that you can learn from watching other people do it is the answers to the puzzle that's right in front of you, I believe you might want to look up someone called scott robertson, I never read his book but apparently it's kind of a Bible for perspective, I could be wrong other people will confirm or deny.

>>2043784
they're on almost every single torrent site you can imagine.
>>2044416
I believe you talking about androgyny here, at least from what I've seen on IC we tend to either want women, or men with well-defined musculature. You might want to take this question to the porn thread.
>>2044600
I don't think anyone on board can really help you if you're so weak willed you can't even practice without practicing out of sheer fucking spite.

>>2044836
I don't know how good it would applied it to the art but maybe something like watching face-off? Especially challenges where the contestants try to mimic human skin they go into detail about how they do it sometimes. I'm not sure how good you can apply that to art just because the shows heavily cotton they don't really stand technical detail too much but you might glean something from it and it might make another tutorial makes sense that otherwise you may not understand fully.

>>2044842
I have 2 pounds the super sculpty that are about three years old that of never really been used because my hands went to shit a long time ago for any kind of strenuous physical activity (kneading the client to something usable is very strenuous) and sub so kinda holds up pretty much as good as it did the day I bought it.
Google sculpting Hercules, the first result on there should be somebody who made a shit ton of videos where I believe she sculpted something that came out really good that's about the size of a large action figure. I believe she uses super sculpty to

>>2045231
line weight is an absolute mother fucker, it's why I prefer looking at people's chicken scratches opposed to their beginning clean work. Keep at it and you'll get better, look up comic books see how they play with lines and try and emulate that. However emulate good comic book artists, people who are known for their beautiful images, not just the stories that they tell.
It's sad to say that I see a lot of good comic books sketches get ruined by comic book inking.

>>2045402
I can't give you first hand experience, but if you're working for a company is a concept artist you're always going to be doing art. If you're working for a small team they might only hire you Intel your part of the task is done. I least no one video games the art is generally done before the programming, bug fixes, and putting the shit together is done. So the art team would either be sitting on their hands and getting paid to do nothing, get fired because your waste of money if you're doing nothing, or you're already working on making the next project. I also assume that if you're very good they keep you on hand no matter what, but if your run-of-the-mill someone they just hired to get shit done you're going to be fired if that's the kind of place you're working at.

>>2046026
hours of practice and a general want

>>2046348
a pencil, a drawing board, 18 x 24 paper
read the thread, many people are suggested
time

>>2046607
I'm sorry if I sound like an ass hole but I'm in a base this post on what the general procedures skill level of this board is, you are nowhere fucking close to needing that much detail in the information you're given. I might be wrong in saying this, you might be close to being a master as it stands and I don't know, but what I do know is most people post on this board aren't that good and they are nowhere near the point of needing to know all the information you've just listed. It would probably better serve you just to learn the major forms and how they look how they work and the minor forms and where they go before you get to the point of needing to know where they end up on the bones how their structure is all that shit.

>>2046656
a scanner, Don't use a medium that reflects light
a digital SLR camera with at least 18 megapixels, take multiple photos and stitch them together in Photoshop.
And like the other person said Kinko's.

>>2046868
>>2046976
some people here have a problem with autism, you'll find people ready to pitch about any little thing they see is an offense… I believe there is a person here who once pitched that people are using reference instead of doing everything from imagination.
My view on stabilizers is this, tablets are shit. They will fuck up for whatever reason while you're pulling a line it might not be your fault it might just see that depends is just a little bit too far left when it should of been a little more to the right and I'll make a straight line a little crooked the stabilizer stabilizes it it normalizes all the input data that it receives. If you abuse the hell out of it it takes something out of your drawing and the people know when you do it, it only hurts yourself in the end if you use it too much. However she just put a little stabilization on their just to even out the rough edges of what a tablets input is it's a perfectly fine tool.
And when you talk about photo bashers, most people aren't thinking that their part of the industry and they have to do that for the time constraints there given. They want to be more peer with their art. If you're not working in the industry and your photo bashing go fuck yourself, if you're working in the industry in your photo bashing fine I'm not to call the bad because of it but don't preach that like it's supposed to be the way you do art fuck you when you do that.

>>2046957
I believe that's called scissor, though I might be wrong.

>>2047196
common printing resolutions are 300 and 600 dpi, with that said you should probably print them off at
12 2/3 x 9 1/3

>>2047316
two people are telling you that you should just use the tablet more, how long as you use the tablet for. I've had mine forced 10 to 11 years, and for a three month period time I didn't have a mouse and was using that exclusively as a mouse. I can't fucking draw for a shit on a tablet even when I was still in practice. I can edit things just fine because that doesn't require me to actually do line work, but I've never been able to draw on a tablet. That's why I've been looking into a penable display for last few years.

>>2047523
I see all video games on the PlayStation water Nintendo 64 to be fantastic tools for teaching people how to visualize form, especially if the game happens to have a wireframe mode and it.

>>2048041
do gesture drawing, trying get the figure generally down with his few lines as possible. You should be able to get most of the figure down with about eight lines, outside of the circle for the head.

>>2049231
most artists always use reference and the only time that they stop using references when they get so good to the point where they don't need the fucking reference anymore, most people never achieve that level of skill where reference doesn't benefit them.


>>2049236
huion H610, monoprice may have caught up and build quality but I'm not sure, for $200 you are not getting anything that is "high quality" or at least what is perceived as high quality. You need at least 350 to 400 to get something from wacom, but the $60-$70 tablet from huion or monprice competes with the intous pro line for a fifth of the cost.

Just know what you're getting into before you get the tablet.

>>2049246
is it supposed to be hard? No, but they haven't made it better yet so yes it is. Will you get use to it? You can if you want but why the fuck would you want to when you can just try out other software that is actually built for line art.

>>2049908
if you're doing what I think you're doing take a look at watercolor painting, you rarely get a consistent color out of that unless you just go almost opaque with the color, and that shit that is made to be used with water painting. I'd say get used to how the ink works and manipulated to your advantage.

>>2050162
if you want to work in artistic and I have to pick what you want to work with, if you just doing art for fun it's fantastic the bones around and just get used to and learning every different form of art that piques your interest.
You might not master any one of them but you'll be proficient in many.

>>2050370
>>2050179
it probably wouldn't be a great way to study perspective, and the warping is mostly due to the field-of-view, but I don't think it would hurt, just keep in mind what your drawing might not be accurate to real life. I believe that the skills that you would learn it even if the perspective is an accurate could still be applied to real-life accuracy.

>>2050375
It's kinda sad that I knew exactly who you are talking about the moment you said black

>>2050361
that shit is fucking expensive online, I can't imagine where you live it be any cheaper. I'd suggest finding other ways to get your pencil to and that shape, as the reason they suggest that conte pencil is because they are able to consistently sharpen a pencil to that type of a point with it while being able to get very dark Blacks.

>>2050528
finished art pieces

>>2050563
>>2050554

Just understand what you're doing, don't use color picker just to get the color initially use it to check the color that you made.

>>2052199
while his tutorial might be good I can't fucking stand his way of presenting it, the one video I downloaded and watched took 11 minutes to explain the concept I could easily explain with an example in 30 seconds.

>>2051340
I don't intend to work for studio but if I ever got good to the point where I could sell my work or that I could get funded just to make more work I would fucking do it in a heartbeat.

>>2051993
video games of a wireframe mode

>>2052297
everyone who's actually known for how good the art is combustible realism, there are no shortcuts if you want to be good.

>>2055072
why not, unless there under the age of 18 I pry pass it up just that I want to get the ship below me by overprotective parents.

>>2055276
when the work you produce is below your skill level and the only thing that you can think of that would possibly be hindering you is the pen tip, unless you're talking about tablets. You are talking about tablets whenever you want, you don't want your shit to get to a point but you might also not like a flat plane either.

>>2055327
there is a comic book penciling at a comic book inking tutorial both using the same image.

>>2055436
pentel brush pen is I believe the best brush pen that you can currently get it's also one of the cheapest. Once you don't the cartridges if you don't want to pay for placement you can just use as a dip brush.

>>2056104
if you do the Watts course make sure you get a screen capture program up and record with videos while you're watching them, you don't have to distribute them to us though that would be a massive plus, but this is more just so you have the videos after the one month is up and you can set unsubscribe from it. Yes the Watts would be easily be worth it. While you're recording it just don't... Don't make it seem like you're just watching the videos to record them, they check for that. Just record what you're watching while you're watching it normally.

Was munch a good artist?

Where find Erik Olson perspective 1-10 torrent?

>>2056248
>finished art pieces
Someone made a thread about Prokos pose collections which actually work unlike other collections I found until now. Which is easier to deal with than the alternatives.

I have to give someone a quote for some work but I'm not sure how much I should charge. It's for commercial work for a mobile game, mostly consisting on character animations and a couple of illustrations. For the sake of reference I'd like to know how much you or other people charge for something like this, or any advise you'd have on the matter.

>>2056287
Whatever you do, dont undersell your stuff.

>>2056261
very clearly. huge influence on the expressionists, symbolists, etc.

>>2042708
Is colouring a greyscale a skill I'd use in a studio?

Can you still be a good artist after taking out your eyes?

What loomis book it this?

>>2056884
also, this one.

Well golly gee, how would I go about painting tanks, planes, and other vehicles in oil paint? do I draw it over the painted background and go on with that or what

>>2056249
How do the guys at Watts check?

>>2056985
the look at your activity, if you are just bouncing from one video to the next and never rewatching one, and then that sends up a red flag you also send up a red flag with bandwidth used.

personally i would email them about it up front from a dummy account and ask them.

tell them something like you want to bounce around what you have access to but are unsure if they would set off a red flag of some kind and see how they respond to that.

the watts online course has something like 1500-2000 hours of material, though not all drawing... but from what i am told the drawing tutorials are extensive because of the way they teach drawing is suppose to mimic painting so the skills are very transferable... you would rather use newsprint and a pencil than a canvas/board/whatever and paint thats 10$+ a tube.

>>2056264
persia

>>2056287
well... commission work you charge minimum wage + material cost up front for the time, and than on completion you charge what you think your skill is worth...

it really all depends on who you are working with... are they a big enough group to pay you well or are they going to cut it close to minimum wage?

i would personally have 12$ and hour as a bare minimum and up to 25-30$ an hour at the higher end.

are you able to quote them a number and tell them if that doesn't work for you can you give me a number and ill see if i can work within that budget.

just a heads up, if they are small they may be hoping you under sell yourself and end up working for less than minimum wage.

>>2056617
i dont work in digital enough to know how they turn out, but could you get something decent if you have the values down and color over them? otherwise i would say no... like i said, i don't work digitally enough to tell you a definitive answer.

>>2056621
um... you mean blind? kind of kind of not... what you would hope you are at that point is good enough to be shocking that you are blind.

>>2056884
>>2056892
Successful Drawing.

>>2056959
If you mean sketching the vehicle first and then painting over it, then yes. You can choose either to make the background first or to paint these elements from the start.

>>2055923
Basically this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQfF-P70V2Q

Is there a good tutorial on using csp/manga studio 5's brushes for blending? I mean the watercolor/oil brushes, not photoshop-style blending.

I'd really appreciate it if someone could demystify this for me, I'm basically making random strokes until it looks good, and the only tutorials I can find in English are flat animu drawings.

I seem to perform much better (or at least more motivated) at drawing when I'm drawing with another art friend with skills I find competitive enough (probably because I feel more confident) Although, I hardly have motivation to finish something when I'm alone.

Should I keep on thinking I'm competing someone in drawing when I draw alone or is it unhealthy?

>>2057165
Nah, it's a nice way to push yourself. You can pick an actual artist online & check.
E.g. random artist on Tumblr: compete on amount of drawings posted
Some professional: compete on skills

>>2057175
Be sure to inform them when you're winning, to motivate them.

>>2055735
well, most obvious problem, besides yr line weight, is that there's no believable sense of weight. like, which leg is this guy bearing most of his body weight on? how is he even standing? think those things through

Is this image public domain? I've been trying reverse image search but there are too many hits on it and I can't find it's origin

What are good books/tutorials for traditional painting?

Preferably something that explains the very basic things like different mediums, the actual painting process, how to blend colors, etc.

This gonna sound extremely vague but how does one tackle coloring and digital painting in general? can you sum up the basics?

>>2057311
Dunno, but if you need similar, search through this site: http://search.creativecommons.org/

how do you even use 8B leads? shits too powerful!

Hey!

What kind of advice would you guys give to a beginner who is currently in college ( not art related unfortunately..), but wants to make comics in the future? I mean, how much hour of practice ( at least!), what to practice etc. Thanks!

>>2057669
8hrs per day. The fundamentals plus gesture drawing, figure drawing, anatomy, perspective, design, movie stills, comics.

>>2057483
ctrlpaint

>>2057676
well that made me feel hopeless. College is taking up a lot of time and energy, and I'm working towards something I have absoulutely no interest/desire for but it's just absurd and unreal for someone at my level to think about just dropping out of college to pursue art..
and 8hours a day is just impossible this way

Thanks for the answer!

Maybe a stupid question but.. When drawing the human head.. I see a lot of people starting with a circle, and then dividing it in half. Now some people say it's the browline, and some say it's the middle of the eye. Now which is it?

>>2057708
It can be either depending on how you use the technique. Loomis says its the browline though.

>>2057723
oh cool, thanks! Yeah the browline feels better to me too. I'm just really trying to avoid learning bad techniques/habits cause I find that to be the biggest risk of self teaching

Can I get a good value range using JUST a mech 0.5 pencil?

Like pic related.

How do I advertise and effectively run an art club in university when it's a small, athletic based school?
All the funds are allocated to muh football.
Will people want to draw and listen to music or is this a pleb dream?

>>2057784
kind of, use HB or soft, then use the complete flat/dull surface of the lead and light pressure.

Why isn't there a board for anime artists and this board for "real" artists, you know?

Do photoshop artists usually have opengl on? I'm trying to notice an improvement of the tracker/stablizer of it being off compared to on with Medium settings.

>>2057887
What about:

cartoonists
people that don't draw organic subjects
logo artists
pattern artists

does anyone have the link to that anon's tumblr that had a shitload of books for download?i checked in the sticky but couldnt find it.

>>2055235
Im not able to handle these websites.

>>2059511
Then you have to buy blind.

Is there a guide to becoming a business oriented artist? If not, could I get anon's words of wisdom?