/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2049279
Op is the pic yours

>>2049279
Please post more hilarious deviantart improvements!

Nice, you are good.

>those pointy ass chins

Must be a Gantz fan.

>Three years
>Still shit-tier
I would kill myself.

Never made one, but here it is. Only life drawings.

>>2050048
well that's certainly some improvement, at least.

>>2049279
Where's the improvement?

sure, here is mine.

awesome, I love making these

3 months and still going strong with hours and hours of study and practice each day!

>>2050085
you and your obsession with sideview face hahaha
i love your work

>>2050091
lol, i can draw other shit too, its just so saisfying to draw a profile view of the face. that said my fav if top down with how the nose just peaks out.

>>2050089
>drawing yourself in armour.
oh anon.

>>2050089
>softass airbrush

Dooming yourself.

>>2049279
you chin work has really improved, they get pointier and pointier each year

>>2050108
Typical to be yaoi artist.

>>2050089
>drawing yourself in armour.
oh anon.

That Scully tho <3

test

>>2050110
please tell me this isnt real

>>2050105
I completely agree.
Only use soft brush to give subtle softness, anon.
Hard brush is what you want to use the most.
Sure, you don't have to work hard for that blending when you use soft brush, but it just look really cheap and effortless.

starting from 0 again
Should I learn how to copy what I see or fundamentals?
I know I should do both, but I can't cram them into my schedule

also n-no bully pls

>>2050129
i dont think anyone should copy over learning fundamentals
who told you that

>>2050123
You can have softness using the hard brushes. I've done it before.

Do swirly taps and light pressure and use the color picker to blend.

>>2050122
Every japanese female yaoi artist draws in some fucked up way.

These threads always fucking kill me because the only people who ever make any improvement were already somewhat decent to start with.

>>2050150
ehh, when ever i make these i only start the progression from images that are legible, i could go much further back to the days in where i drew spider man almost exclucivily, but who wants to see my shitty crayon drawings of the spidy bro?...
people tend to show from the point in where they think an actual progression has occured, not from starting doodles..

>>2050150
Because the difference between the artist who improves and who don't is that, artists who improves knows fundamentals and they actually study art.
Artists who are shit and never improves are the ones that doesn't know what they are doing, and probably picked up the style from someone else, not knowing why the original artist drew the way he did.

To add to this improvement topic, people who don't study art tends to believe that they are good enough, because they don't know what they are wrong, since they are lacking knowledge.

However, people who study, they can see if something looks wrong, they know more, therefore they can SEE better. After they figure out what's wrong with their own drawings, they study harder and more about the subject. They improve, by fixing themselves.

Do you see why, people who are "decent" are the only ones who makes improvement?
Because people who aren't, they don't know what they are doing, nor want to study art, but have balls enough to post their "improvement progress" because they think they are doing great, since they can't see.

>>2050150
The difference between the artist who improves and who doesn't is; artist who improves knows fundamentals and they actually study art.
Artist who are shit, but yet never improves are the one that doesn't know what they are doing, and probably picked up the style from someone else, not knowing why the original artist drew the face the way he did.

To add to this improvement topic, artist who doesn't study art tends to believe that he is good enough, because he doesn't know why he's wrong, since he is lacking the knowledge.
However, artist who studies, he can see why something is wrong, he knows more, he can SEE better. After he figures out what is wrong with his art, he studies harder and more about the subject that he is weak at. They improve, by fixing themselves.

Do you see why, people who are "decent" are the only ones who makes improvement?
Because people who aren't, they don't know what they are doing, nor want to study art, but have balls enough to post their "improvement progress" because they think they are doing great, since they can't see.

10 years.. I wish I knew what I was doing so I could learn properly. Obviously I was gaining no knowledge about construction from all the reference drawing I was doing... I'm just now finally getting a grasp on imaginative drawing. Still shit-tier though

I like these threads. I like when people post one with a lot of pics and throughout their entire life they have no idea what a visual concept is. It's hilarious.

>>2049279
This is utter shit

>>2050196
>throughout their entire life they have no idea what a visual concept is

I find it hilarious that you think it's hilarious that people don't know what visual concept is when learning to draw.

Visual Concept is a pretty damn vague term.

the one on the left is from 2013 and the right is something that i'm doing currently. need help gittin gud.

>>2050129
how about finishing something to completion?

>>2049279
That style reminds me of a photo of a girl selling crap prints of badly drawn dudes with angel wings and such at a convention.

>>2050189
your like those fuckers I had in my shitty art class that could copy things and render perfectly but couldn't draw anything without a reference
they get good grades
and they get the praise

but in the end the winners are the people who draw more with imagination and perspective

>>2050245
All these flavors and you had to choose salty. For shame, anon. For shame.

>>2050245

He's right though, I can't draw from imagination for shit. But I got all As in my art classes.

I'm working on the whole Imagination thing tho now. I have to re-learn how to draw, and do it from a constructive method, instead of a mechanical method

>>2050206
There's only one drawing there, anon. I think you posted the wrong file.

wheres is that sonic improvement?

>>2050105
>>2050123
Yes, I've been using only hard brushes for almost everything in the last few days. Thanks for the feedback though. If I hadn't already gotten the message, I'd sure as hell have gotten it now. Keep on being bros

>>2050189
Anime killed you

And I don't even have anything again anime

>>2050286
I'm finally starting to grasp how to do anime though. During the time that I was learning drawing, I basically just copied what I saw, didn't learn any construction techniques. So my animu stuff always sucked

>>2050286

If you saw anon's post you would have known he couldn't draw for shit with imagination. It's not the issue about anime and it never is.

If anything I applaud him for going further. Even if what he does sucks for now.

I still have this thing from that other thread.

Next improvement thread I'll do one of my shitty MS paint collages with obligatory based FWAP potato Hitler.

>>2050189
I've had the exact opposite problem. I can't draw from references for shit.

>>2050318
You're just inexperienced enough

>>2050331
I'm not really sure what you mean

Y'all need to draw more from life

>>2050345
No no no anon, you don't draw from life, you use IRL as the reference and draw almost everything from imagination.

>>2050345
>posting that progress pic

lol

>>2050345
>still believing in this picture

It's incredibly cherry picked.
What tehmeh did was still pretty impressive but this picture is not truthful at all.

Did this recently.
The recent one was done mostly without an eraser.
2007 and 2015

>>2050115
It worked, pretty well

I've been waiting for this thread. Commencing dA-tier improvement minidump.
1/7

2/7

3/7

4/7

5/7

6/7

7/7

>>2050393
9 years and it still looks like shit.

>>2050401
i like the first one the most
this guy is sad

>>2050388
That's awesome!

>>2050393
>>2050401
>>2050403
Oh, she did more!

>>2050405
I was laughing at the beginning, but this is now just sad.
No one around her is brave enough to tell her that it's shit tier garbage.
Or she just has her head in her ass so deep that she just ignores negative feedback.
Either way, this is sad.

>>2050380
It's like both were drawn by 2 shitty artists.

>>2050428
un français?

>>2050438
Belge. Maintenant tu peux m'expliquer comment tu as fait pour savoir ?.....

>>2050442

Because your fucking file is called sans titre, moron. >tfw I'm not even a francophone

>>2050110
Woah, hey guys

Anyone have the improvement image from the retarded naga bitch? The one, who got wrecked by the CA.org community back in the day? I'd love to know what happened to her and if she improved at all after all these years.

>>2050444
You must be the only faggot on this entire board who reads the filename, faggot.

jtm :$

>>2050432

Rinfag if you see this tell me how you survived in the army as an artist - I'm in the same situation too ;-;

>>2050442
haha, suisse ici

>>2050259
this man.
now this man is going places.
admitting to bad habits is the first step.
this is our hero /ic/.
not the one we deserve.
but the one we need.

>>2050450
I just drew casually every weekend and when I could in camp. I didn't improve much at all for those 2 years.

This thread again haha, Exactly one year since I started studying art seriously

>>2050470
leave us alone

>>2050470
for some reasons I don't believe this

>>2050506
>40 minutes
>Guys it was 40 minutes AFTER the line drawing.

>>2050459
aka drawing what you see instead of symbols ya?

>>2050372
Which is which?

>>2050137
I thought copying exactly as the ref pic was the way to go so you can build on your visual library perfectly.
I guess I was wrong
what's the right way?
like for example, if you wanted to follow a loomis book and draw a head step by step, do you have to copy exactly as is or something else?
sorry I'm dumb

>>2050318
I can't copy a reference 1:1 but I can use a reference for anatomy and poses for my imagination drawings. I don't know if it's good or bad

>>2050089
3 months?
Nice progress. Which resources did you use? Tutorials, books,...

>>2050508
>line drawing
lel

>>2050605
Thanks!
Loomis first couple weeks, Keys to Drawing / Perspective Made Easy afterwards. CtrlPaint, Proko, and various other youtube video tutorials. Didn't want to cut corners so when I realized art should be taken more seriously (after the Scully drawing) I switched to traditional media up until just a few days ago. Hence all the pencil and charcoal.

And I practice 6-10 hours a day. Time is the artist's best resource for progress.

>>2050311
I mean, is the body supposed to be that wobbly? It's a nice stylization but only if you're doing it on purpose.

>>2050862
The drawing from July 2014 looked pretty fucked up, so I tried to stay close to that in the left 2015 drawing. I tried to tone it done a bit in the right 2015 drawing.

I really try to push shapes and rythms so my shit can get pretty 'wobbly', I guess.
I'm going keep that in mind.

>>2050869
tumblr nose/style cured THANK GOD, there is a hope!

but srsly, i hate that *style so much* the uncanny valley is strong with it

>>2050149
Was this a page torn out of the Necronomicon?

>>2050089

Looks like we got another min candy man on our hands.
How do you find time to draw 6 hours everyday?

>>2050907
You are clearly starting to understand form better, now you just need to practice anatomy more especially in the ankles and feet

>>2050311
*dry heaves*

>>2050089
>>2050707
i started Jan 2015 as well and fuck this is really inspiring. goes to show that actually drawing and actually finishing your stuff makes all the difference.

i really need to stop fucking around with useless sketches and do some real drawings. wish i could find as much time drawing per day as you.

>>2050916

Yeah man, you hit the nail on the head. I know barley any more anatomy now than I did in the first drawing. I've been focusing on form and line quality.

>>2050245
>you will never be able to draw from imagination
>you will always only copy shit
Why live?

>>2050491
if this turns into some appleflinger/tehmeh improvement I'm hanging myself..

>>2050924
For the praise and money?
Sure, YOU might know it's shit, but other people won't notice.

Inconstant as fuck.

>>2050875
>uncanny valley
That closely resembles a human being to you?

>>2050909
Jan/Feb worked from home, quit my job in March. Living off of my savings.
I literally wake up each day and draw until nightfall (with the occasional distraction in between). I swore to myself I'd become a decent artist within the timespan of a year so I'm working as hard as that goal requires, which means practicing a minimum of 6 hrs a day (lately 10 hours).

>>2050920
Glad to hear it bro. Biggest reason newbies don't finish drawing is because they know it won't come out like they want it to. But the only way you'll gain the skill to make it come out like you desire is to practice finishing drawings. You got this!

>>2050937
stop copying photos

>>2050948
Good going anon, I'm doing the same thing for a year now, but cant always maken6-10 hours because I go to school, I make them on non-school hours though. I can tell you, one year is enough to get decent with how you go but not commishionable except for deviantart shet. It takes longer, like it takes all good artists. But dont let this discourage you, keep practicing, it takes a few years at your pace

>>2050949
I'm learning ._.

>>2050388
Underrated post. Pretty small calves to thighs ratio though.

>>2050388
Love this style!
>>2050996
It looks like on purpose

>>2050924
You'll get it someday, anon. Just keep trying!

Even if you have trouble with construction now, have you tried imagining what you want to draw and then copying that?

>>2050948
>Biggest reason newbies don't finish drawing is because they know it won't come out like they want it to. But the only way you'll gain the skill to make it come out like you desire is to practice finishing drawings.

That sounds like pretty good advice. As a beginner guilty of spending most of his drawing time on little sketches, I'm going to try to do more finished drawings.

>>2049279
man, you're not going anywhere further with that

>>2050369
Yes it is? Just because he cherry picked doesn't mean this is a lie you asshat.
Tehmeh is good, get over it you shitlords.

>>2050189
just keep copying
please

>>2051682
It gives and untruthful and inaccurate proof of his improvement.

You're just butthurt because that guy just crushed your little dream of 'getting gud' in a year. Pro tip: that wasn't gonna happen anyway.

>shitlords

Kill yourself.

>>2051716

This is....impressive

>>2051707
So much projection
So much shitty edgy 4chin comments
So much crave/remorse built on the urge to feel important

>>2050543
Ahahahah
Pretty much my reaction.
Left is 5th grade
Right is now.
I really haven't improved much at all.
Then again, 5th grade me took hours trying to get that right where as I kinda just threw the other one on paper in 20 minutes.

>>2050389

lol the one on the right is actually more interesting to look at shapewise. Also I will never understand wolfaboos.

>>2051682
>Tehmeh is good, get over it you shitlords
Whether or not he's good wasn't the point. The problem with it being cherry-picked is that it portrays a jump in consistent quality that didn't actually happen. If you only show your worst drawings from a previous year and compare them to your absolute best from the present, then yeah, it's going to look like you improved a lot more than you really did. This is bad because it gives those who are learning unreasonable expectations.

>>2050939

It's so annoying how people just fling that term around without actually knowing what it means.

>>2050206
that hand looks broken somehow...

>>2051374
Neither are you, you've gotten worse.

>tfw you assume people have posted "progress" from deviantart and it's actually their work

>>2050085
Fiona Staples fan?

>>2051891
Don't be so harsh, it's way less...trianglish

>>2050442
J'ai honte d'habiter en Belgique des fois...

>>2050390
it got sadder over the years

>Tfw improving faster than Olly

>>2050089
jesus, i've been at this for 5 years and i'm NOWHERE near that level and I could spend 5 hours drawing each piece going slow and precise.

>>2050948
i still finish my shit, but its always disappointing when i get done. i don't even strive for huge goals, just want to draw my shit my way. i know HOW i want it to look, but i know it won't end up that way and any improvement is pure fluke and wasn't from practice.

how do you even practice anyway? it just seems like ALL YOU DID was practice slowly as fuck, reading and drawing probably the same arm for fucking 10 hours. this shit is really hard to do when you have no time during the day to do it, you really don't improve much when you can only try to practice for maybe an hour or two at best. i get bored with practice too, i have no fucking idea how you can stand it. its impossible to make any semblance of fun.

been trying to do this shit for too long is probably burned me out with the little progress i've made, imagine spending what little time you have free to try to learn something you want to do as a hobby and not making any notable progress in years.

i could toss my shit up, but people are obviously going to say "practice more" LOOMIS, etc etc. that doesn't help at all, there has to be some sort of way to condense this shit and make it "don't bother studying EVERYTHING, just learn these more basic things first" and then you learn that the basic things are also 1 million steps long.

someone told me it only takes 20 hours to learn something, art is not one of those things.

>>2050196
Wtf is visual concept

>>2052289
The idea to how the work will be read.

>>2052293
... What

>>2052295
Yeah, went right over your head didn't? And now you know why so many never got gud

>>2052298
Including me
Shit hurts man

>>2052295
> this is why you go to art school

And long as you go to a good one, you will not be fucked.

You control how your art is read by the elements in them(the pieces), and the rules you apply.

>>2052259
i like your style.

tfw

>>2052308
This might as well be french, what you're saying


Is it possible to be good at art if you're objectively stupid?

>>2051944
>>2051944
>Fiona Staples
yea i like saga.
but i only started to read her stuff a few months ago.

>>2050907
mecha gravelord nito

>>2052227
>i could toss my shit up
Do it.

I got some stuff of my own to post. It took longer than I thought it would to compile. It's a few images.

>>2052475
>listening to music while putting these together
>Changes by David Bowie
>turn and face the strange
Here we go.

>>2052479

>>2052475
>>2052479
>>2052482
please stop. there is absolutely no progression here. just jump years

>>2052482
>Feels Like we Only Go Backwards by Tame Impala
goddammit, shuffle.
>>2052484
would you wait until I'm done posting before going for the juggular please

>>2052484
I'm not feeling it anymore forget it

>>2052489
thank you

>>2052344
Yes. You just need to know rules, and techniques and how to apply them.

>>2052491
I got a bit emotional looking back at my sketchbooks, so I put together a bit of a self-reflective story to go with it.

But I guess nobody has time for that. Here are two random sketches. Now go bitch about my line weights or whatever it is you wanted to do.

>>2052501
line weight is the least of your problems son. I have no clue what the fuck is going on in this picture. its lazy, unclear and unappealing. sticky before posting again. especially loomis. learn how to make a line confidently before anything else

>>2052501
>believes main criticism will be line weight
No wonder you've barely progressed.

>>2052506
>son
>captcha:tsons

>>2052501
>can't see shit sketches

Your problem is that you're afraid.

>>2052506
I sketch gesturally to understand poses and action. It's practice. Yes, I've studied Loomis. Yes, muh style.

>>2052512
>barely progressed
I guess I really opened the floodgates when I got defensive after my initial posting was interrupted, didn't I? Fucking sharks get into a frenzy at the first sign of blood.

I just got so emotional looking back at my old sketches. ;_;

Here, have a horse that I drew on a bus.

>>2052539
>gesturally

I cant even understand what the fuck is happening. I see a cow with moth antenna and there might be a mickey mouse glove hand in the background giving a lazy peace sign. everything else is circles and lines

there's feeling out a form, but this is just fucking nuts man. do me a favor and go in paint and redline the horses head for me because I cant fucking see it

>>2052549
It's an abstract kind of cow.

>>2052549
not him, but isn't it fucking ovious?

>>2052557
>>2052561
kek

>>2051374
You went from modern Sailor Moon anime to 1990s anime/Gundam style anime

>>2052539
I sometimes do that on a separate piece of paper or a small section of a notebook to understand the composition of my drawing. It just looks like tons of scribles but it helps Me understand what I am about to draw. Maybe try doing another thing based off of what you did there.

>>2052569
Yeah, this is how I plan my larger pieces as well, though I do like to do them alone for fun.

>>2052572
Yeah me too.

>>2052561
>>2052539
How come in the thumbnail i see two nips

>>2052572
>>2052561
>>2052557
>>2052539

>>2052594
hey that's uncalled for
there are clearly suspenders covering the nipples

>>2050438
la pomme est rouge

>>2052572

>>2052594

Noones commenting on mine, sad anon is sad :(

>>2052655
Which one would that be?

>>2052658
If I say, people here will know how whiney I am, I don't want that reputation =/

>>2052660
If you're the one who did Toph, your cloth looks good, but your shading is shit, the headshape is off, and the left hand only has 4 fingers.

>>2052704
Not that guy, but you're a kind anon, I'm pretty sure Toph guy appreciates it :)

>>2050388

years????

>>2052227
Anon, sometimes momentum is the only way to get where you want to go. I've quite literally slingshotted myself into the new world of art for these last 3 months. It is all I do and think about. I don't have any interesting topics to talk about with friends other than art related ones. The reason I can improve so easily (besides being a total beginner getting muh newbie gains) is because I have a literally insane amount of momentum. I'm like a boulder barreling down a hillside: The momentum's doing all the push work for me. Practice is rewarding because I get better every day.

The tl;dr of this story is... If you wanna get gud as fuck, ya gotta commit. Throw yourself off a mountain into a whole new level of dedication for that sweet, sweet momentum.

>>2051716
congrats you learned how to photobash
now fucking learn to draw, faggot

Are there any improvements to my technique that can't be done by simply practicing? I'd like to draw much softer than this, should i just use softer pencils? How do i improve my shading?

>>2052766
Going softer isn't your problem, you should be going harder. The breasts in particular lack any definition, as well as the edges of the cheek around the hair.

Also, work on the nose, it looks like there's just one huge nostril.

>>2052773
Does "soft" not mean a "blacker" black? I'd like to go for a style like
<-- this

>it looks like there's just one huge nostril
Yeah, it looks better in real life (PLS BELIBE ME)

>>2052780
In the context of shading, soft means smoother gradients. If you just want deep blacks then yeah, just use like a 6B or something, or even ink.

>>2052766
2 years of no improvement? I'd kill myself if I were you. Not as bad as OP, but you know.....

>>2052783
>no improvement
You wot m8? I mean, I'm the guy calling his shading shit, but at least I can recognize a significant improvement.

>>2052766
You should also fix the twig shoulders and spaghetti hair.

>>2052782
hmm, what's your experience with charcoal, i feel like charcoal has the potential to create the shading i want but i didn't get around using it a lot yet. Is it possible at all to create details with coal as good as you could with sharpened pencils?

>>2052785
There is some improvement in shading.. but that is negligible, considering that it's two years of progress. That amount of improvement should only take a week at most.

>>2052788
yep charcoals pretty good for all this stuff. you can use it in conjunction with graphite, and there are harder charcoal pencil that can do crisp lines and stuff.

you can do pretty much anything with charcoal (except colour :P)

>>2052788
I've used charcoal, but not extensively because I find it hard to erase and it fucks up my erasers, but you definitely can get smooth gradients and hella deep blacks, you just have to be careful not to fuck things up while using it. You're not going to get super sharp detail with charcoal, at least not for very long, because it's soft as a motherfucker and any point you put on it is going to vanish.

>>2052780
That was probably done in ink.

>>2052789
ok davinci
>>2052790
>>2052791
Thanks then, i'll see to practicing more with coal then. I remember trying it out back in the day but found it way too hard to use and yeah, the thing with erasing sucks but as long as i dont screw up the lineart....

Might post results on this board in a week or so in combination with starting a thread just about charcoal.

>>2052795
it definitely wasn't

>>2052799
Prove it bouya.

>>2052789
november 13 to april 15 aint even two years you fucktard, go back to school

>>2052801
ok, look at it closely.

where's this faggot now?

>>2052809
I never understood why people waste their time drawing nothing but chinese cartoon-style

I mean it can be cute and stuff, but i don't consider it real art.

>>2052803
Forty keks. It rounds up to two years. The same way you'd normally round up 24 hours to two days.

>>2052804
All 190035 pixerls?

>>2052820
no you can just look at the dry-media smudges and the parts where you can see pencil makes. and just generally how it definitely isn't ink and how you'd have to be dumb to think that.

>>2052812
A very unorthodox way of thinking about how people round days, but this is a thing that people do......

>>2052812
>The same way you'd normally round up 24 hours to two days.
See also: Rounding 5 up to 10.

>>2052824
You mean that airbrush vignetting and the parts where the pen was used to create hatching? Grow a brain you mook.

>>2052833
yes, those bits that don't exists were the bits i meant when i talked about bits that do exist. you caught me out you sneaky coon.

>>2052835
>i was wrong so i'm going to pretend he's wrong! that'll show him!
Absolute, full-blown retard detected. I swear, the government should just euthanize you apes.

>>2051722

I wouldn't say so. I think the jump from 2004 to 2009 could be made in 2 years easily.

>>2052841
almost in 2 pictures given the right guidance. but still props for sticking to it, especially because slow learner/poor directions.

2013 - 2015 wtf was I doing

>>2052850
The effect on that ponytail is pretty cool though, it looks like fur or something in a childrens book. What pencil brush you using bruh?

>>2052841
>>2052846
it's fake and has about 4 years removed.
you are delusional.

>>2052853
in sai

>>2052752
Butt hurt anon right here.

>>2050189
This is so uncanny for me.
I always found it harder to render something by sight harder than something from imagination, so long as I had thought about it a few times in my head.
Seeing perfect copies but then 6 year old tier original drawing creeps me the fuck out.
But as my friend tells me, this is rather common.

>>2052850
You've made such little progress for two entire years.

>>2052660
I bet you're the same whiney anon from the last improvement thread

>>2053087
No that might have been me >:3

>>2050447
>2015
>ne pas lire les filename
kek

>219 posts
>59 images
>half of them don't aren't even improvement charts

Posts improvements faggits.

>>2049346
plsrespond

>>2049346
>>2053142
My response: you have improved much but i think you need more and more practice in painting

>>2053054
not him but it's much better.
>>2053140
I could post some I saved.

>>2049346
>>2053142
Vilppu m8.

You still have a really poor sense of form.
5 months isn't a lot though, so keep practicing faggot.

>>2049346
i think those are great, don't know about improvement. they have a really gothic articulated look to them. so y'know keep it up, don't be afraid to experiment.

>>2053156
why vilppu? not him, btw

>>2052538
>afraid
>confidence
I don't understand why people use these buzzwords and think it makes perfect sense. "Afraid"? Am I literally afraid of making a mistake? No. "Confident"? Must the first stroke always be perfect and deliberate? There's nothing wrong with haphazard sketching, right?

Take this drawing of a perfectly heterosexual man I just started, for example. The entire sketch began haphazardly, and then I went back and began fixing the face.

Is this not acceptable? Does it have to be perfect from the get-go?

I'm not trying to be facetious, I'm just trying to understand the real meaning behind these buzzwords.

STOP

COPYING

PICTURES

YOU

FUCKING

FAGGOTS

>>2053246
Post art

>>2053246
Whats wrong with copying something? Copying a picture is what some do to understand how it works

>>2053233
he doesnt understand that people arent perfect right away and if they are then they are probably autistic.

>>2053260
And 99% of /ic/ is proof people don't learn anything this way.

>>2053260
How old are you?

>>2053260
No, analysing and construction that does that. Mindlessly copying a picture like what most people do (and in this context) doesn't really do anything.

>>2052850
I like your sense of style

>>2051707
>>2051838
Did he still make that drawing 2009? Oh he did?
Did he also make that drawing hes comparing in 2010? Oh he did?

Fuck off you shit head. He doesn't need to show his worst compared to his worst. Hes showing the progress he made. Its not like in 2009 he made the drawing and said "They'll see me for how amazing i am in 2010 when i show my progress, ill use this half assed drawing i did."

You kiddos are so mad all the time. Always reminding me why i don't come here anymore. Jesus.

>>2053340
99% of /ic/ leaves this place once they outgrow the shitty community.
/ic/ is great for learning the basics and removing your feelings from being hurt, but i wouldn't use them for actual artwork crit in this day and age. I would rather contact professionals who don't mind offering insight.

>>2053371

Sup Olly. Quit being so mad.

>>2053385
If olly was defending himself he wouldn't be anon.
Nice response though, A+.

>>2052766
You've learnt how to copy better, that's sort of a good thing but stop copying. Your eye is improving so you'll be able to draw something from life better than before. Go draw something from life, learn forms.

>>2053371
>You kiddos are so mad all the time.
Sup, pot?

>>2053388

Ofcourse you would be anon. Otherwise you would unveil the samefagging. Much logic.

I hate looking back.

>>2053399
>samefagging.

Im not sure you know what that word means, i haven't hidden the fact that i'm defending that image. And i seem to be the only person doing so? So what exactly would you call samefagging in this thread.

Either way, it seems you cant argue my point, and have resorted to picking on points around it. So theres no reason to continue. Stay mad kids.

>>2053402
7 years

7 fucking years with almost no improvement at all.

I'm sorry, but are you legit mentally challenged?

>>2053402
So you started actually learning figures, but neglected the head shape. Real people don't have round heads.

>>2053402
oh my god that subject matter...

>>2052766
There's SOME improvement, but less than there could be.
Between 2013-11-15 and 2014-03-01 you discovered the concept of three-dimensional space for the first time, and made some noticeable progress in anatomy.
Between 2014-03-01 and 2015-04-13 you got somewhat better at shading, but it's less than what you achieved in the four months before.

Anatomy remains the biggest issue. Elizabeth's face was always a little exaggerated, but not THAT exaggerated.

>>2053402
I like this one. I can really see your mind working, picking up new concepts.
>2008: Sonic OCs, deviantArt baseline.
>2009: Has heard of shading, but doesn't really understand the concept.
>2010: Abandons Sonic OCs in favor of generic anime girls and furries.
>2011: Has learned how to draw cartoon boobs from a specific angle.
>2012: Goes emo, briefly abandons anime girls
>2013: Back to anime girls, but in a different style. Experiments with another boob angle, with moderate success.
>2014: Abandons chibi manga in favor of American superhero comics. Proportions improve accordingly.
>2015: Half the work is muscular dragon demons with giant tits.

my apologies on the image size

>>2053402
i like you

>>2053054
is this bait or what

>>2053494
You should apologize for more than just the size.

the worst ive seen on da...

>>2049290
:[
*at drawing amateur manga
Never start with manga. Too many people start off their art pursuit with japanesey shit and it fucks with their stuff later on

nobody will take your style seriously unless you've already proved that you are a great analytical artist. Pic the first artist you think of out of your head and guaranteed they perfected the brush before making it their own.

>>2050085
Diggin that 2010 shit, and latest is nice

>>2050385
she got shitter

>>2051891
he may not have gotten much better (I think he has) he certainly hasn't gotten worse.

>>2053402
phew it reeks of deviantart in here

>>2050438
who is this that I keep seeing? And where can I see more of this person

>>2050966
You won't learn by copying, you learn by studying.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kfK46nruKM

shit guys i think im almost getting somewhere

>>2053580
How do you fuck up Gumball's artstyle this bad

>>2053845

I think you're doing really well. Honestly, you would benefit greatly from a degree as offered by FZD or a nearer country's equivalent as perhaps you're taking a little too long - if you wanted a career in conceptual art. Yes, it is expensive, but it is usually a single year and most graduates are hired afterwards and you get launched directly into the career you want.

>>2053845
the first one looks like a pizza

>>2052856

Why are you lying? It's not fake you faggot.

>>2054132

Yeah, I considered FZD but didn't know how to go about the money or relocating. Most of the self taught guys seem to blossom around 3 years, so, if I feel like I'm still not close around this time next year, I'll put places like Gnomon or CDA back on the table.

>>2053580
This picture always gets me

>tfw stagnant since 2013
:---/

>>2054867
You stagnate because you don't try new things.

>>2054867
You're in a good place, at least. Your hands and noses need work though.

>>2050432
Can you post the full version of the red forest one from 2014?

>tfw burn all evidence of past works and artstyle

>>2054867
you stagnated in a good place to make /some/ money off of some graphic novels or a webcomic at least

>>2054867
stop using only flat colours and do some art with realistic detail and shadows

>>2054877
>>2054878
>>2054917
>>2054919
thanks for the feedback! i'll start branching out more and try making some more ambitious pieces.

>>2054867
I love your style, so I pseudo-copied the furthest drawing to the right for mid 2013

Heres a bit what I drew like last year, haven't picked up my tablet since. Work is a bitch.

No time/Inspiration to draw a Example at the moment

>>2055573
I like your style

>>2055609
thanx

>>2051374
It looks like you're just copying from Sketching Manga Style: Sketching to Plan.

>>2051716
I hate this fucking picture. It's not 5 years, it's 10 years, and whoever made it just went by when they were posted on DA.

I haven't really got anything to compare myself too.

I did stick figures when I was in high school and now I am trying to become better at digital painting and learn fundamentals.

Pic related is my current work. It sucks, but I hope I can get better through learning and shit.

>>2055642

Your work would instantly improve 500% if you went back in with the lasso tool and a big airbrush and cleaned your color sketch up.

Separate objects onto different layers, lock the transparency, and paint in such a way that objects don't blend into each other until you want them to. Sort of like pic related. See how he's using the selection tools and layers and masks to separate elements? Try that, instead of trying to alla prima everything.

edit: jesus fuck what is up with this new capcha.

Did I got better?

>>2055653
sorta?

>>2055653

I don't know, anon.

>>2050115
that looks way too 3d to be legit!

>>2050405
it's always the copic marker kids

>>2055653
you didn't get worse, but for everything you improved, something else got worse.

>>2055650

i am also seeing how he is photobashing to an new extreme.

>>2055653

Work on your lines, man. They're a mess. Between the aliasing, edges where you nicked them with the eraser, the general chunky, sloppiness of them. Do you draw in mspaint with a mouse?

>>2055788
>Do you draw in mspaint with a mouse
...well, actually I used the tablet

>>2049279

>>2055810

I forgot to mention, I studied a lot from movie screen caps, doing all sorts of studies. I Centered goals to make my studies more beneficial and tried to simplify things to either learning, composition, color, values, technique (others too that i forget to mention)

here's a good resource for HD screen caps:

http://movie-screencaps.com/category/by-quality/1080p-bluray/

Final note:
I seriously had to do a lot of questioning, and tried my best to understand things about art that other artists (established as well as artists i new that were better than me) had got right. Unfortunately, art is very academic, i put in 5-10 hours doing art. I read a lot, established artists such as Richard Schmidt and James Gurney have an entire ocean of knowledge in art and they explain it beautifully.

Recommend: Alla Prima 1 and 2, by Richard Scmidt and James Gurney: Color and Light.


There's a certain place, a certain website, a certain region in the know space time continuum where you can get free stuff, (HINT HINT) *cough* pdf *cough* versions of the books.

>>2055814

5-10 hours a day*

>>2055783
Nothing wrong about that

>>2053580

"Yes, there are many things that need to be erased, yes, yes"

- Little King John (NEVER FORGET)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdr6wyRV9rE

>>2050386
was it supposed to be better...?

Most of my comics from 2012 when I started, up until now.
Covers on the left (a few are missing), a random page from the comic on the right.

>>2053580
>>2054851
I took one hard look to see where I would lose my shit and the one thing that did it was the mouth. My sides have now transcended into the great beyond.

>>2055819
Filthy Casual 12-16hours or nothing

>>2055886

Its the bare minimum, I do a lot more on a daily basis.

>>2055865
everything looks the same, i don't see much improvement. same huge dick black guy tyrone motherfucker skewering the slutty blonde with tits the size of her head.

>>2054887

ayy

>>2052811
>muh true art

>>2055946
>Y.S. stands for Yo-Shi
>2014 version is now on ice skates
>two right hands, but can still tie a bandanna around his head

Most best superhero ever in my book

>>2055932
If you don't see improvement in terms of general anatomy, you gotta be blind or something. But I agree on the monotony of the characters and scenes.

>>2055865
for what it's worth, I fapped to it

As you can tell, I'm pretty casual about art, not ultra concerned about it, but I have improved. I never did any even slightly serious drawings before about August of last year and I can't find those.

>>2056215
shit, some of the text got cut off
fixed version
what do you think?

>>2056219
you're very bad.

>>2056251
I know, thank you

>>2056219
You've definitely improved and I like the different style but you have a long long way to go

>>2056219
Do you have a plan to improve?

>>2056215
You are complete dogshit and have improved a negligible amount.

A mere week or two of actual practice would improve your skill noticeably more than the last 8 months. Even if you're casual, I think it's worth doing.

>>2055932
>i don't see much improvement
haha shit
let me guess. you are total garbage at evaluating improvement, arent you.

>>2053805
not that anon but thank

>>2050351
Drawing from life helps you understand the volumes, the shapes, anatomy and construction of objects along with light and shadow.

Then you use real life as reference

THEN you go batshit insane and draw things from your drug fueled imagination.