/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>no color challenge
now i'm sad

>>2047305
had to post the skypegroup.

and you can still sample the colors if youd like (even though they are just boring complementary colors this time, i know) :))

How do I into shading properly? Feels like I either come up with everything too light or everything too dark. Also I feel ashamed of how many hours I've already put into this, erasing and redoing things. I suspect autism.
Also, hair looks like Cthulhu's tentacles, fingers like she has sklerosis and face like she's been to a cheap Eastern-European plastic surgeon.

So how do I work out the overall values of shading faster? And can I post my reference picture which is a screen cap from said camwhore's show or does it count as porn?

>>2047330

Ayo, stop this self-deprecatin' nigga. Take your time. Speed only comes from pushing how fast you can do "good". If that's snail's pace, then work with snail's pace. You're not showing anything irreversibly, terminally shit. Just relax and draw some naked ladies, bruh.

>>2047333
Well, I've always been very critical towards my own work. It's like a rollercoaster of feeling depressed about how shitty it is and some feelings of success.

>>2047342

That's errbody, mang. Next time that feeling comes be all bald guy from Whiplash, all black shirt n' slacks, yellin at depression to get back to work. NOT MY TEMPO, FAGGOTDEPRESSION.

Resized pic. Some advice on shading would be nice. Also I'm completely clueless on what settings to use when scannig. It looks darker in the photo than it really is.

>>2047377
Draw what you see, not what you know. You put lines in places where they would only be visible as shades. Example, real lips never have an outline.

>>2047377
Oversized head.

drew igor stravinsky upside down for about the third time


shit doesn't look terrible and you can tell it's a person sitting in a chair.
fucking HYPED for drawing

>>2047380
yeah, I have this thing that when I look at the lines they look too weak so I make them more visible because othervise I feel like there isn't a clear seperation between objects.

>>2047399
Damn, you're right. I can totally see it now. I even used a grid and still fucked up

>>2047406
>othervise I feel like there isn't a clear seperation between objects.
You need to do that with tones sitting next to each other. A change in tone shows a change in planes. You can make a good sharp line between tones with just the tones themselves but it takes time, nigga.

back to work. and leave most of those lines in the sketching stage.

I have a problem that is killing me! I love drawing vehicles, planes, spaceships motorcycles, you name it. But when it comes cars im just beat, i just cant get them remotely right. I dont know what it is about them but everything is just messed up when i try, the proportions, the perspective, everything. Why cant i wrap my mind around this. I watched everything by scott robertson but nothing helps....

How do i stop myself from using line scratching when i draw? (don't know the official name)

For some reason when i was younger i thought that all artists/drawers drew their lines similar to the first style than just cleaned them up but now i know that this method isn't really the desired solution.

Anyway to correct this?

>>2047422
Dynamic Sketching with Peter Han, on youtube.

>>2047422
>>2047425
I do that shit all the time. I'd better watch that video.

>>2047425
Thanks a bunch. I watched a bit of the video and it's definitely what i was i was talking about.

>>2047330
try blending?

can someone share with me some drawings of the torso and waist for both female and male? i struggle with both VERY much. i got my tablet roughly a year ago so i am new and all..

Does anyone have a good introduction to colouring traditionally? I've only done sketches and lineart, and colour is pretty much an unknown for me.

>>2047492
Colour theory itself is the same between digital and traditional. So you could look at the colour theory books in sticky for that. Then you have the way of applying colours (which first, last, etc.) which is different depending on what medium you are using. The best introduction is to just try shit, see if it works.

>>2047496
Thanks!

I recently realised why sometimes my stuff looks bland and random when drawing. I end up zoning out and do something like drawing on autopilot.

Is this good? bad? I'm kind of expecting to draw on the level which I'm on even when I'm aware or half asleep when drawing, but I'm not sure what to do with that.

Do you often just take a break and chill till you can fully focus on what you're doing?

Also any resources for methos/techniques/tutorials for drawing the pelvis+ass+legs from different angles? Just figuring out how anatomically those parts look won't help much.

More rendering practice than trying to recreate her likeness. Anyone have any tips on how to render better? I wanna get gud

>>2047562
before focusing on better rendering, get your sketch right.

you are looking at the original slightly from below, while yours is viwed from top

>>2047510
Our lord Vilppu always says "the largest mistakes you'll make are in the first few minutes of drawing" ... I believe zoning out is good for the laborious rendering/details stages later on, but make sure to be hyper focused in the beginning. My two cents!

>>2047562
dangerously close to symbol drawing. Try drawing from life. Use a mirror or get people to sit for you.

>>2047562
how did you manage to make th eearring this small?

>>2047584
Really? No one's ever said I symbol-drew before so I figured I was beyond that :(
Thanks for the feedback.

>>2047564
Like I said, I was concerned with the rendering rather than anything else. I referenced the photo primarily for tone/lighting. But you are certainly right, I did angle her head downwards about 5 degrees. Thanks for making me notice that.

How much time should I put on drawing heads and figures?

Rip me apart you bitches!!

Trying blending. Drawing a tennis ball from memory with no references.

>>2047624
There is almost not a single inch of this figure that I couldn't find something wrong with. It would take more time to tell you what you've done wrong than what you did right. If I redlined this I would end up redrawing the thing from scratch.

find reference. try again. keep at it I guess.

>>2047638
I think you should try again with reference.

>>2047605
As much time as you need.

>>2047624
You're drawing did that for you m8.

>>2047624
that's not how boobs work at all.

>>2047624
Face, Hands, Face, Her Right arm, Face, Boob Shape, Tit placement, Face, Neck, Messy lines, Her Right elbow, Face, Hair, Head shape, Torso shape.

That's a list of things that are wrong with your drawing. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what you've done wrong with your drawing.

>>2047330
tiny widdle babby arms and shoulders

>>2047644
>>2047652
forgot reference sorry guys

>>2047624
You're still symbol drawing.

>>2047305
go nuts

>>2047705
I know.

>>2047708
>DO NOT REPOST OR REDISTRIBUTE
>REBLOG/SHARE ONLY FROM THE FOLLOWING SITES:
insert shitty tumblr/deviantart page

>Palettes sourced from: colourpod.com, Adobe Kuler
Jesus christ how dumb can one person get

>>2047710
well good thing we dont have to get them from kuler ourselves, so we could just have them all conveniently collected in one pic :))

>>2047710
Seriously. What is this bullshit about "don't steal the colors I picked out"

They're fucking color choices. Jesus fucking christ.

>>2047721
why not, starbucks owns their shade of green.

try selling coffee under a green logo (and make profit) and they will sue the shit out of you

>>2047736
They are a multi million dollar company that can afford to put a copyright on a dumb colour. I wouldn't use them as an example.

>>2047736
>>2047740
Don't get trademark confused with copyright. Nobody owns colors.

>>2047708
>Color Samples 2.0

>>2047747
I was going to say trademark at first but I obviously wasn't sure which one was which.

>>2047747
but you took away the fun from it. you just should have deleted the link while leaving DO NOT REPOST

>>2047254
I've always wondered, what would you say to a person who picked up drawing, and just draws all the time? Because that's kinda what I've been doing this year and it's... it's really interesting. I don't know what I'm doing, I'm drawing shapes, bodies, figures.. but I'm seeing relationships in it, and context, and faces where there aren't faces, and motion...

Wouldn't it be better to just draw and draw and draw, shapes, figures, environments, anything really - until everything makes more and more sense? As opposed to doing exercises and stuff?

>>2047748
I just googled "can a color be copyrighted" and the answers pointed more to that this is a trademark area.

I'm no expert on these things but if I see someone use a color I like I'm gonna sample the shit out of it and use it in my painting. It's not like anyone is really gonna be able to tell I used it anyway.

>>2047750
Better?

>>2047652
>>2047701
These are pretty out of the ordinary for reference.

>>2047757
No, the 100 color palettes text is still jaggy.

Does this just look fuckin' weird? I've been staring at it for far too long to even evaluate it anymore.

>>2047866
too smooth

>>2047866
Eyes are a bit too big

>>2047866
Yeah too smooth. Eyes are a little too upturned too.

>>2047866
the mouth is a bit lopsided

>>2047866
jaw/cheek symmetry is fucked

WIP crits please

>>2047910
Bad anatomy, but I doubt you're going for realism anyways, which you should state beforehand so people don't jump down your throat about eye shape.

The bun looks like a balloon. The shirt collar has no thickness, like it's made out of paper and stands too far from the neck. Head shape is bad due to a non-existent chin and no dip where the eye socket goes. Mouth too far down (try placing it 1/3rd of the way from the bottom of the nose to the chin.), chicken scratching, boring breasts.

That's about it. It's salvageable.

>>2047867
>>2047890
>>2047906
>>2047908
Thanks for pointing out the issues. I normally use a hard brush much more. It was good learning fodder regardless. On to the next one!

>>2047886
That was a stylistic choice :)

>>2047254

I have the absolute hardest time drawing from my imagination. If i try to draw something that i can look at, i typically don't have much trouble...
Is it smart to use something as a reference just to get the basic shapes down?

>>2047584
>>2047705

Dumb question but what is meant by "symbol drawing"? And how would you know if you're doing it?

>>2047956
Instead of drawing what something looks like, you draw what you think it looks like. Like a circle with lines coming off it being the sun.

>>2047958

Is there a good way to work at getting out of that habit? Just practice?

>>2047961
90% of it is learning how to think. Not even kidding.

what's the best photoshop brush to use as a noob in drawing stuff? some of them just feel horrible to use.

>>2047962
I don't think you are kidding at all. It makes sense.
But how would you know if you're doing it? I could draw a picture and think it looks good, but others might say i'm symbol drawing, how would I catch myself?

>>2047966
It's hard. Sometimes you can spot it by flipping your picture horizontally and seeing if it looks wrong, but if that doesn't work, posting it here is probably the easiest and fastest way.

>>2047965
hard round with pressure to control size

>>2047969
thanks. also when i enter skype:?chat&blob=w328HTo0H1ZKM31UzKytiHcQSvYjPv4IE2rRtyRefDcnkrDBIGzklTdHG3HCVDadLZQEhf1wew
i get nothing. what do?

>>2047970
what

install skype and associate with with skype: links in your browser

>>2047967
Probably wise. I'll try to start posting more here when I actually make the time to get more drawing done... constructive criticism is always helpful

>>2047974
i have skype installed but the link itself doesn't associate when i add it in my browser.

>>2047978
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA10933/how-do-i-enable-skype-click-to-call-on-mozilla-firefox

>>2047982
k i got it now, but the link is just triggering my search engine. skype:?chat&blob=w328HTo0H1ZKM31UzKytiHcQSvYjPv4IE2rRtyRefDcnkrDBIGzklTdHG3HCVDadLZQEhf1wew right?

>>2047986
I don't know, I've never seen that link before.

>>2047988
that's what i'm seeing at the top there

been using digital stuff to draw for almost 9 months now I guess?
don't know if I count as a beginner but oh well
only if those faggots at reddit know how to critique

>>2048026
Stop using filters, they look like shit. Use pressure to control brush size. Fix that badge thing. Your lighting doesn't make sense. Neither does using a red outline for anything but the hair.

>>2047996
then why are you asking

Aides from
>hrnk drnk furfag/ furshit
How is it for a 5 minute doodle?

>>2048037
I think it looks pretty good, I can't draw though so take my compliment lightly.

>>2048037
perspective is wrong, head too small.

I feel retarded for posting this here, but. If nothing else it will boost your confidence or show how far you've come

I've never drawn. I just started reading Drawing With the Right Side Of Your Brain from the wiki, and the very first assignment is to do a self portrait

Even this took me a lot longer than I'd like to admit, and I wanted to trash it after every single line I put on the paper

I know I'm supposed to be bad, I've never tried or learned, but it was already so disheartening. I guess I tend to get flustered when I don't get something right off the bat. My 5 year old nephew can do better than this

>>2048044
Your 5-year-old nephew has probably spent an autistic amount of time drawing.

Keep reading, and keep practicing.

>>2048036
because i can't use the link at all. i can see skype numbers fine but not that one.

>>2047967
>posting it here is probably the easiest and fastest way.
This is why I think it's bull shit. It's only ever really talked about here. Never heard of that shit before /ic/ and not even till recent.
4chan in general is very reliant on buzz words, and even though it's a very real thing, you guys scream symbol drawing now just as much as you guys said "tumblr nose" awhile back.

Not upset, just a bit skeptical.

>>2048040
I know that the shoulders are huge, I don't even know why I didn't erase them before taking a picture. I meant to just draw the head and neck area.
Also, could you enlighten me on my perspective errors, I wanna learn.

>>2048048
It's not talked about much elsewhere because it's one of the very first things you're taught. Legit day one, probably even the first section. Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain was written specifically to help avoid doing it.

>>2048049
The shoulders are almost head-on, but the head is at a 3-quarter turn. Sure, it's possible to turn your neck, but I don't think that's what you intended.

To learn perspective, learn how to properly utilize vanishing points, the difference between 1, 2, and 3-point perspectives, and foreshortening.

>>2048051
Well, like I said, I didn't even really mean to put those there, I know that the shoulders would be completely off if I had intended for those to be them. Should have erased them before snapping picture. I wasn't really intending anything, I just curved them off at the ends of the lines because I'm tired, stupid, and it was looking like it was sprouting out of the ground or something.

I was also mainly talking about the perspective in the head and neck area. Not so much the shoulder area, that's "not there ".

a month into drawing.... i hate the slow progress i am making... lost internets so couldnt do anything much not evan tose biginners guides that i wanted to in the sticky ...but heres my progress

>>2048084
Work on your anatomy and don't use the line tool. Also, there's a thread for NSFW stuff. >>2044714

>>2048085
oke >.> sorry and thanks for the advice about the line <.< tool

>>2048084

If it helps any, I'm feeling the same frustration.

Just stick with it, sucking at something is the first step towards being kind of good at something

>>2047966
It would look good to you because you're satisfied with your approximation.
Here, have an example. This woman insists that symbol drawing is a "buzzword", yet, look closer. See how the eyes are just what she thinks eyes look like? Have a look at that bun on her head. Is it not just a "symbol" of what a bun would look like? The biggest clue that you're looking at symbol drawing is also the flatness of the whole drawing. Look at this shit, there are no forms, anywhere! Symbol drawing is quite literally the drawing of symbols instead of what is actually there, what you actually see. No amount of careful measuring of proportions will save you if you're drawing like this.
Honestly, I could go on and on but I'll try to show you some construction drawing instead.

>>2048098
yes i guess .. thanks .... :)

>>2048085
one question.... how do i work on my anatomy? O.o

>>2047966
>>2048099
Now, I'm pretty shit myself, so I hope this at least clears things up.
Now, in my drawing, I've tried to construct instead of draw symbols. I've made a ton of mistakes (which I'll find excuses for later) but you can see I'm trying to construct my figure out of volumes instead of symbols. I am cutting away and adding to three basic volumes: boxes, cylinders and spheres.
For instance, I've used a sphere for the cranium. I've used a cylinder for the neck, so I could wrap the sternocleidomastoid around it. I've used a box for the ribcage and pectoralis majoris. The eyes are also spheres, and the eyelids wrap around them.

Hope that explains what symbol drawing is and is not.

>>2048123
Do studies (try to copy without tracing) of anatomical figures, some of them showing musculature. It'll help you learn proportion and what goes where. Sycra on youtube also has some videos on anatomy.

>>2048125
sycra.. i will go check it out ..

>>2047254
Do the color choices look fucked?

How not to press too hard while drawing?

>>2048170
Just keep at it and you'll develop a light touch. Maybe switch up to a 6B (if you're using traditional media) or a bigger brush to incentivise not pressing hard.

>>2048175
Thanks for the suggestion :)

Need Help... It feels like the whole face is off. Dont know about the Head shape, it looks ok for me.
After start correcting it, it just getting worst. So should i scrap it and start over?

>>2048197
angle and shape of the eyes
shape of the head especially below the eyes
go more extreme with you light tones and dark tones such as bits around the eyes
I like to think of the face as a flat plane so it's a bit easier to put facial features on

>>2047652
giggity

Help, why do i suck so much?

>>2048221
>ref

>>2048221
Start working with a background that is the same value as the background of your image. Otherwise your values for the rest of the image will be off. Not the biggest of your problems but one of them for sure.

Are there any good resources for planes?

I tried sketching some super-deformed ones, but I'm having a hard time, especially with the cockpits.
I just started the tutorials, but I wasn't sure if Loomis would really apply to vehicles.

Are there any good resources for planes?

I tried sketching some super-deformed ones, but I'm having a hard time, especially with the cockpits.
I just started the tutorials, but I wasn't sure if Loomis stuff would really apply to vehicles.

Also are the potato faces necessary? I've been seeing mixed responses on that.

>>2048055
Well? Anyone?

>>2048235
Check out Scott Robertson's stuff.

>>2048235
Loomis just introduces you to a construction based approach. This applies to anything you draw. You don't have to draw potato faces, you could do the same thing with planes.

Learn perspective basics. Perspective made easy, MArshall Vandruff videos, any source is fine.

.

So I just started out and I was wondering; what is the advantage of a grey canvas? Everybody seems to use them here while I just use a white background.

>>2048221
I would love to get the technique down where you can see a lot of brush strokes but whenever i try it it looks like shit. Any advice? also general crits please.

>>2048286
Less eye-strain, easier to see colors and values.

Even though I know nothing about rendering and painting I still rendered this. Was supposed to be a perspective practice.

I'm a bit confused though, I see all these anons practicing gesture and portraits but the guide I'm following says I need to have a grasp of perspective first.

Am I perhaps doing something wrong?

>>2048295
Nah, you're on the right track. If the others had studied perspective first they wouldn't be struggling with basic construction.
By the way, that's some awful rendering, and your cylinders are pretty bad. I recommend getting a CGPeers account and downloading everything by Scott Robertson.

>>2048300
Is it bad that I don't want to focus too much on rendering and would rather focus on construction and perspective for now?

I downloaded the ctrlpaint perspective series from cgp by the way, but I'll be getting Scott Robertson and Erik Olson too.

>>2048155
yes, also whats with the furry eyelashes???
>>2048293
jaw is way too long, eye is wrong, mouth is wonky

>>2048293
way too airbrushed man. Hard and soft shadows, know the difference.

why are the values around the eyes/nose deeper than every other part of the face?

>>2048302
Not bad at all. In fact, that's probably the best course of action.
You can't render if you don't know what form you're rendering.

>>2048155
ahhahahaaa! Those eyelashes man! It makes her look like this guy. Also how do eyelids work? They certainly dont attach a clear inch away from the tear duct.

>>2048302
actually when I was a beginner I didn´t realize this but

Protip
If you grasp the basics first
perspective, planes, forms, 3D, space, and shit
basically drawing and understanding things constructions

rendering will be FUCK easier because you WILL be knowing where the shadows go
I know painting is the part that seems more fun, but when you don´t have the basics down is the most frustrating if you don´t get the results you want


learn to draw first
but this doesn´t mean you can´t make little painterly studies on the side

you are on the right track anon, be proud
scott robetson can also be really frustrating so take it slow

>>2048155
Why the long face m8?

Warm up: eyes, skin, and some other shit edition.

>>2047775
How so? Last thread I was told to draw nudes so that's what I'm doing.

>>2048332
Warm up part two: mascot edition.

I just finished Norling's perspective made easy.
I have 3 books on my mind to be the next step, but can't really choose between them. They're Vilppu's drawing manual, Loomis' figure drawing and Robertson's How to draw.

When I was on Norling's book I noticed I really enjoyed drawing vehicles, but I'm unsure what should be the next step, I mean learning figure drawing and vehicle drawing ain't gonna cross each other, right?

>>2048392
Scott.

>>2048392
Robertson's How to draw, stick with perspective while you are at it!

>>2048365
I like the one in the bottom left corner. Feels like it could be a really cool ghost Pokemon or something.

>>2048124
You did much better than I did.
But am I understanding this right, that you're supposed to draw that much anatomy before you actually draw the outline? How do I do that with traditional mediums?

>>2048413
Nah, I was just demonstrating. Although you do need to draw muscles a lot of times until you just "feel" the outline.
With traditional media, you could use thin paper. Have your mannequin on one sheet, put a sheet over that, muscles, a sheet over that, finished figure; however, I don't believe that's necessary at all.
Anatomy scares off a lot of people but it really is just an aid in analyzing models/reference and double-checking yourself when drawing something.

fullretard.jpg

Captcha: ememed choking

>>2048418
Ah ok thank you, I just got some thin paper actually! I'm gonna try that and also work on learning how to construct better. The biggest problem I have is that when I construct things, I can't really see what I'm doing because of all the lines within circles within circles. I mean, I can kind of see a 3D object But it also just looks like a mess and I'm not entirely sure how to construct on top of it let alone see actual depth.

>>2048332
>>2048365
>tfw someones warmup is better than my best

I just noticed the shins are too short, and is my impression that the arms are too short too right?

Also, how to draw heads from an under perspective without it looking too harsh (like the crappy jaw line I did?)

>>2048365
love it. Do you have a blog?

>>2048561
pay more attention to the angles of everything. yours are all way off.

compare your eyes to those in the reference for example. lay in construction lines before worrying about details and contours.

>>2048561
focus on the space between the jaw and her hairline (top of forehead)

I tired of copying poses, how do I draw from imagination?

>>2048605
>>2048611
Thanks, you're right about the angles, I will do the whole thing again tomorrow focusing more on that

>>2048155
Her ear looks like a horse vagina

>>2048617
well yeah, that's where you stick your penis

Almost done with my blockout of, didn't know the model name so I named him steve

>>2048686
That's not how the hips connect

Quick question, do you need to be good at sketching/drawing to actually learn how to paint? Or to be good at it?

>>2048702
Yes

.

I got a tablet for cheap off one of my friends, so I'm trying to delve into digital. I have a shitty time doing lines, but I think I just need to get used to it.

Anyways, what are the best digital programs, preferably free. I'm using Krita atm, and it's okay, but is there better?

Sorry for the potato quality photo, I decided to take a picture of my sketch book rather than scan it in cause lazy.

Anyway, really just starting here. I'm a lot better at imitation than creation, so i'm trying to get the hang of making things without reference, though these two here are referenced.

>>2048741
image referenced for mouth, though there were step by step photos included.

>>2048741
before you draw lines

squint and look at your reference

from there ask yourself, where are the darkest points?

start with these and move slowly up to lighter tones gradually

the squinting trick works really well for me, hope it helps

>>2048756
Squinting to realize the overall shape combined with shadows? That sounds like a neat idea, I'll try that and see how it turns out. I'd like to try more picture subjects, like an actual face with that technique. So far, as far as shading goes, I've been going for what looks like the darkest area first, and adding in an initial layer of tone, smudging it, then adding more on top of it, smudging it again, and then rinse/repeat and concentrate it into the areas that are darker, that with some directional smudging of the graphite to give some cross effect of tone (idk terminology for that shit, i just play tuba and try to draw)

Thanks though!

>>2048332
>>2048365
>tfw people are doing what would take hours for you is just a warm up for them

>>2048825
Keep drawing anon, all it takes is hardwork and dedication.

I have been trying to sketch more often.
I think I'm finally getting the hang of how to draw fur but my shading still sucks.
Plus there's still the chicken scratch. Still trying to get out of that habit.

>>2048825
I know that feel man, it almost makes me want to stop

>>2048825

Unless you have a horrible decease, if you're posting on 4chan, you're young enough that by the time you gitgud you'll still have decades to make other people post whatever the 2030 equivalent of 'I'll never be that good' + reaction images on future internet.

>>2048828
something is not right here. The dog's skull is far too short.

>>2048848
I did use a reference when doing that sketch.
It seemed nice when I did it. I'm seeing a lot of problems with the snout now.

>>2048825
Draw a head. Now fill an entire page with heads, like 25-40 of the things. By the time you're done, you'll be able to draw heads quickly, and likely without needing to go through the whole process.

Today's study session result.

I call it "symbols everywhere" because I'm recognizing my own symbol drawing -- especially with the eyes, facial structure, and hair. Also her neck is very long. But all in all it was a fun one!

Very little softbrush, almost entirely hard brush. It's good practice.

>>2048686
Nice Wojak.

>>2048867
Whatever brush you're using for the hair, stop using it.

>>2048873
The same hard brush I used for everything else in the drawing. What *should* I be using?

>>2048859
I don't think I can fit 40 heads on a page

>>2048876
Something harder. It looks way too smooth, like it just melts into the torso and background. Also, the whole stage-left side is off, proportion-wise.

r-rate?

>>2049002
Forehead looks a little big, maybe the eyes are too low. The lower half of the face looks really good.

>>2049002
You should spend the last half of painting with lineart and tone layers merged so you can paint out the edges. The front of her face shouldn't have a black outline as it's being hit with direct light. It should almost glow. Her forehead protrudes too much and is a bit too long. Also reduce your image size so your drawing doesn't look so blocky. Dunno what brushes you're using but it looks too patch-jobby. Pic is a quick fix of all the aforementioned for the woman in the drawing, let me know if it helps.

did this after 2 months of not drawing
man i suck

When drawing people, do artists draw them naked first before drawing the clothes or armor?

>>2049061
Yes. 3D artists do as well, it's to keep proportions correct, but it also helps avoid impossible angles.

>>2049061
It certainly depends on style, but if you aren't going for a cartoon-y look it'd better to draw them naked, that way you can pay better attention to their construction and anatomy.

It's not necessary, but it's a good idea.

How do you guys get this far? I think I can draw things I see pretty well but I want to draw more from my imagination and not so realistic. I'm not sure what the term is but I want to draw things that are cartoony? I can't draw anything passable and it's really frustrating me. I tried Loomis but it didn't go to well.

Hows this?

>>2049078
The right eyelid looks weird entirely unshaded, along with other minor details such as teeth. Take into consideration pls.

>>2049073
Practice.

>I'm not sure what the term is but I want to draw things that are cartoony?
What subset of cartoons? Anime? Comic books? Western animation?

>>2049087

Thanks

>>2049088
I think western but not the point where the art's overly simple.

>>2049087

Tried to fix it. Did the teeth, the eye lid and shaded the ear

>>2049105
Don't draw every individual tooth. Draw a bar and make some subtle markings to indicate teeth.

>>2049112

Like one or two?

>>2049131
They are ever so slightly different tho?
Honest opinion, both don't look good.

>>2049112
Why does he have to simplify teeth? If he wants to draw that way then he should. You shouldn't imply a one way teeth should be drawn.

>>2049149
LOL
get a load of this guy

>>2049149
sure, there are styles
but that doesn't mean every styles are pleasing to the eyes
there definitely are shit style
and this>>2049156

>>2047254
Is DOODLING considered helpful

pic related a doodle I made

plane study. Thanks to the anons who gave me feedback on my last one.

>2048602
>love it. Do you have a blog?

http://choppedginger.tumblr.com/
I update rarely, though.

>>2048602
>love it. Do you have a blog?

http://choppedginger.tumblr.com/
I update rarely, though.

>>2049162
It's always helpful. I can't even if I try because of my limited creativity. I prefer to draw from real things.

Is this a good place to upload my drawing and get feedback?
Is there better site to get feedback?
I am really embarassed at my drawing because it's sonichu tier.
I want to get better but it's really difficult not knowing what have done wrong or direction should i take to get better.

>>2049195
Depends on who's answering. Due to the anonymous nature of /ic/ you'll get all kinds of feedback; however, so far my experiences have been positive. I recommend you post here until you are good enough to not get embarassed on an actual drawing forum.
Post your stuff.

>>2049092
you need fundamentals son, people don't realise the artists that draw those things trained to draw realism from imagination then made conscious decisions on how to play with proportions and visual rhythms to simplify effectively and create appeal.

I don't even know what I'm doing anymore

I don't even know what I'm doing anymore. The thumbnail makes him look like's about to vomit.

How should I approach drawing asses? How do I define it's size, the thighs size and how should I know when the crotch area should be showing?

I really need something to reference in terms of the size of parts.

How harmful is drawing in between reading keys to drawing?

Reading pdfs has always pained my anus and makes it a complete bitch, how long until I can just veg out drawing from life?

>>2049195
if you have a thick enough skin to be able to deal with people telling you it's shit then just go ahead and post it. the anonymous nature of /ic/ means you have no accountability for what you post so people aren't going to remember you as "that sonichu-tier guy" as they would on a forum with names

just learn to read between the lines and learn to ignore posters who tell you you're shit without going into detail why

>>2049061
Most classical illustration books say to draw the person naked first.

>>2049061
Naked first. This way, you design the clothes to have weight, and put them on an actual body.
You can see examples of this everywhere; for instance, in superhero comics, the characters are practically naked and the clothes are simply painted on.
In most visual novels, characters also have naked sprites because they were originally so.
If you look at drafts of comics, storyboards and animation, the clothes are also drawn later.

>>2049239
how much time long did you did draws

>>2049293
You need knowledge of muscles and fat deposits.
Unfortunately, there are few resources for porn artists. As in, books. There's a lot of actual porn you can study though.

>>2049525

Aight, I did another butt drawing and realised how fat I am actually making the butts. It's starting to slowly set in though I'll look into it too.

Too bad for the books.

>>2049353
huh? I've been drawing 3 months now and that annoyingly took about 1.5 hours. feels like everything takes a long time.

Can someone help me With drawing Legs/Waist?
Its REALLY difficult for me,

Captcha: cried bydroste

>>2048197
increase nose bridge space a bit... glaring to me

>>2049596
the shoulders are two heads wide

>>2047377
Is it better? I tried to get some more contrast in the shading and remove strong lines. I feel like just moving on to something else now. Also picture ratio maybe got fucked on previous when I resized it.

>>2049631
Forgot pic

>>2049632
the torso and hips are fine
the head is too big, see this
>>2049630
read Loomis, if you don't understand him, read Hampton and then read Loomis again.
print a sheet with the proportions of the human body and hang it near the place you draw. work hard and you will get good, your rendering is nice.

>>2048099
>>2048124
Not that anon, but this was reveletory to me. It came at just the right time and changed my thinking in a matter of minutes.
Thanks.
Working my way through loomis head and hand book. Pic related.

>>2049220
So should I go through Fun with a Pencil again?
I really don't want to.

>>2049220
Trained to draw realism, but most probably are not masters of realism. Your basic point stands, however.

>>2049749
Do the head and hands book, maybe.

why does being a nip suddenly make you batter at stuff?

First try, how bad?

>>2049816
>things only weebs believe

I've burnt myself out of drawing figures for awhile, so I'm giving landscapes a shot for the first time. Does anyone have any tips, videos, or books on stuff applicable to digital landscape/background drawing?

>>2049819
look at pixiv and compare it to deviantart

>>2049818
as bad as first try should, keep going!

>>2049862
I'm willing to bet the age demographics differ dramatically, and even then, it's still a shit apple versus a shit orange.

>>2049874
nips have dignity, they know they suck so they dont upload anything until they git gud.

thats why there isnt almost any dA tier shit on pixiv. there is no way you could go to fresh page on dA without finding something 10/10 cringeworthy.

>>2049853
Too many soft, perfect gradients. Try using a more solid brush.

>>2049818
The lips are the only seriously broken thing, I think. The nose and the ears could use some work though.

>>2047425

That video is awesome. I have been doing those drills every day during my lunch break before working through Loomis' how to draw potato people book.

I've got a looong way to go but there has been definite improvement.

what steps should i take to copy this style? it's done by kira imai and i think it's really pretty.
i'm pretty much an amateur, but what should i study/do to get there?

>>2049978
also, i want to work mainly digitally

Critique please?

>>2050026
Nose is too defined, mouth is too small and is placed too low. For reference, the edges of the lips go to the middle of the pupil, and the mouth is placed a little bit above halfway from the nose to the chin.

>>2050026
Always draw the full face otherwise you'll have issues with proper symmetry later

critique/redlines MASSIVELY appreciated. the stuff on her hands is supposed to be electricity or elemental magic or some shit idk

>>2050053
here's the ref
>mfw i thought 1200x2000 was too small

Here is a thing I am working on right now. I used my own arms and an image of Ezio's face for reference. What do you think?

>>2050057
Damn it, it's too early in the morning to be doing this sort of thing

Drawing without ref and construction lines,how'd I do

Made a painting video. Would like you guys to check it out and see if it's good.
Thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWcSORmF_UM

>>2050053
Hair looks like cloth. Likes too clean, and the hands literally meld into the figure.

>>2050067
Not the artist, but that "hair" you're seeing IS cloth.

>>2050093
what the fuck

>>2050093
i'm the artist and the hair isn't supposed to look like cloth but now that both of you mention it it definetly does and will be fixed. thanks for feedback!

>>2050059
this mihg tbe completely wrong on my part but the chest looks a little weird and the hand in the foreground could use a little work but otherwise it's a fantastic piece of art

>>2050026
i agree with >>2050033

>>2049293
again, i might be wrong, but it looks fine from where i'm standing. if you wanted to make it look slightly better you could make the perspective of the image more apparent but that's probably fixable when you're coloring

>>2049239
i think it looks fine honestly i'm not gettin any vomit vibes from it but the glasses look a little off but otherwise it looks great

>>2049170
i see no problems it's very nice and i aspire to understand light at your level

>>2049035
use a reference and a perspective box and you should be fine

>>2048867
her neck isn't that bad and the symbol drawing isn't nearly as bad as it could be (have u seen my art)

>>2048856
if i end up with a drawing like yours i trace the reference a few times and then try to freehand it and it usually comes out looking much better than trying to freehand it the first time. alternatively you could take the generic /ic/ route and try doing it upside-down

>>2048561
instead of trying to draw their figure try to draw the negative space around them and then adjust accordingly. you're trying too hard to make things accurate in one specific area of the drawing and it looks fine if you only focus on one part (except for the face) but the proportions are wrong. try drawing from a reference that is easier to proportion (like someone standing upright) and then move to references like the one you used. you're a promising artist though. keep drawing.

>>2050156
>this wall of text
what the fuck, what is this, a desktop thread?

>>2050156
You could sum up that wall of text as "I have no idea what I'm talking about, but everything looks fantastic!"

>>2050170
a wall of text is when it's a solid block of text, not just anything that's kinda long.

>>2050163
>>2050170
my bad for shitting up the thread. i just feel that it's kinda rude to leave a piece of art and expect others to comment on it and then not rate anything. and when do you ever hear anyone on here being told that their art is nice looking? i get that we're here for criticism but some of you people need to relax

>>2050187
You're reinforcing negative behavior no one learns from.

Anatomy issue and unfinished head. Mostly torso form study.

>>2050198
Stiff gesture and the torso under the chest is broken. Try imagining it in 3D, as if it was real, look at the picture from the back, and you will see why.

This is my 8th day of drawing, I've been practising every day except for one that I missed. I want to do people watching figure drawing, as in sitting around band just drawing the scene, as in how the impressionists did. What are some resources I could use?

>>2050215
For reference this was my first day. Very cringe.

>>2050215
Don't use lined paper. Pick up an actual sketchbook, ~70lbs, if you can, but if not, use printer paper.

>>2050221
Thanks, I'll get sone. What is the reason, though?

>>2048735
If its not pressure sensitive use a very light brush and draw your body as a mask before drawing your lines.

>>2050224
Lined paper obscures what you're actually drawing, is too thin, and doesn't have much tooth.

>>2048735
Paint Tool SAI or pirate Photoshop.

>>2048037
Added a tad bit more.
Looks a bit small to me :/

what was initially a quick sketch/gesture turned into an hour long face rendering sesh.

>>2050357
5head

>>2050357

Her head is fucking gigantic

>>2050357
Well, I like the color shading of it and the facial expressions, but the other dude is right, her face is gigantic!

please offer critique, this is the first time I'm trying to properly color, I'd appreciate any tips. I'm literally just using the brush and blur tool which I know is probably the wrong way to do it.

I'm going to go over loomis soon too because I've never bothered before

>>2050523
She looks a little off balance anatomy wise. If you used a ref, after you're done, try overlaying the reference on top of your figure to see the mistakes. Color wise it's a little bland but I know fuck all about color aside from basic relationships.

>>2050523
>right hand's glove covers the middle finger
>left hand's glove stops at the ring finger
FOR WhAT PVRPOSE

>>2050526
the head looks too big but I can't into angles

>>2050536
trigger your opponents' OCD and seize the opportunity in battle!

>>2050523
>>2050536
Oh hey, I have a glove like that.

>>2050542
Clean your desk you fucking pig.

>>2050557
Those aren't crumbs, my desk isn't real wood so it chips and shit. It's awful and ugly, but I can't afford a new one.

>>2050542

what's that ghetto looking stylus you got there?

>>2050610
It came with my Monoprice 10x6 that I used before I got my new toy, which uses this.

>>2050486
>>2050488
>>2050489
Believe it or not her head is actually that big. She's a child. Although my rendering clearly did not translate that fact, so thank you for noting it.

>>2048221
george washington?

Need help.
Every time I try to color something, the sketch is good, the inking is pathetic, and the coloring is possibly even worse.
The inking practice is a matter of practice, but regarding the coloring, I have no idea if I'm doing the right thing.
I use a couple increasingly lighter colors, following the direction the light is coming from, then I blend the colors with the standard blending brush.
It's a shame, because the sketch turns out fine

As a beginner who does things mostly digitally, should I start copying and tracing things to get a 'feel' for how things should be and then put that into how I do things?

>>2050523
well I tried

Coloring a pain in the ass, I can't into angles or light sources

>>2050682
I don't think you're at the coloring stage quite yet. Skip the following paragraph if you only want to see that part of my advice:

Get an account on CGPeers.
I recommend working on your draftsmanship first. Pencil, paper, and Scott Robertson. Then, get into construction with Hampton or Loomis. I find Hampton much better. Then, you should get into rendering basic forms. There are a lot of books on this subject, but I personally recommend James Gurney's Color and Light.

After that, or right now if you've ignored that paragraph, look up CtrlPaint. It's the best resource for digital drawing/painting that I know of. You can also find the premium videos on CGPeers. These should help with your coloring and inking issues.

>>2050686
No. You should only do that after you've got a handle on construction. Then you would use tracing to feel out the actual forms.

>>2050696
Well I've done the Fun with a Pencil book and understand construction lines, but I'll look at it later. Thank you.

>>2050696
Thank you!

hi, how can i improve this?

>>2050721
Unless her hair's supposed to be glowing, it seems bizarre that the area behind her ear and neck wouldn't be darker or in shadow. The back of her skull is not large enough to actually contain a brain. This is probably the result of her forehead not being shaped correctly. It shouldn't be bending back so much (it looks squashed vertically). Otherwise it's cool, anon. I like how you handled her hairline.

>>2050721
Shading's kind of wonky, I don't think you have a good handle on rendering. Other than that your edges are fine; perhaps work on your features and construction as some things are off, like her skull missing a brain. Have you used reference?

>>2050739
heres the ref. its a washed out pic so determining the light source was kind of difficult
>>2050736
what do you mean exactly by "squashed vertically"? im confused how i can fix that lol

Will there ever come a point where I'm good enough at figure drawing, and I can stop focusing on it? I just want to get my ideas across, but some poeple on this board take it to autismal levels, I think.

>>2050744
I see what happened. You changed the angle of her head for the bottom half of her head but kept the ref's angle for the forehead.

Seeing pic, you should be able to see the angle discrepancies.

(Now) I always do this side by side (or overlay) comparison after I finish my initial sketch / line art. It helps fix issues before spending all that time rendering an uncanny result.

>>2050721
>>2050744
even if clothing cover the legs, it still exists so try and work your clothing around the contours of the body

>>2050744
I see what happened. You changed the angle of her head for the bottom half but kept the ref's forehead angle.

See comparison pic. Should look pretty clear.

I always do this side by side (or overlay) comparison now after I finish my initial sketch / line art. It helps fix issues before spending all that time rendering an uncanny result.

>>2050748
Once you've internalized it. That autismal level is just for demonstration of one's skill. The people who can show you every single muscle on a drawing can probably do so without even thinking about it. They probably lay down outlines in their sleep.

>>2050754
Okay, I've figured.

I guess most people just really like drawing humans.

>>2050757
I'd wager they like drawing anything. Honestly, I do, too. Everything is just so damn interesting when you take a closer look. It's almost a sort of meditation.

I'm just gonna do a bunch of these today. Also, quick fix for yesterday's figure.

About 30 min spent on each.

Just finished Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, and I'm doing some more portraits before I move on to Fun with a Pencil.

Am I on the right track, guys?

>>2050850
I'd say so. Keep it up, anon.

>>2050850
>Fun With a Pencil
No, go to Hampton and Vilppu.

>>2050854
Thanks.

>>2050861
B-but, the I got to follow the sticky, anon!

In all seriousness though, I'd probably prefer Hampton and Vilppu. What book either of them should I do next? As I said before, I just finished 'Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain'.

i am sorry for making her look like an old hag
took me about 2 hours, sai is fun

I have a question. What am I learning with Loomis?
The results are worse than the one learned by reading 'Drawing with the right side of the brain', while I'm now able to draw a face that actually looks like a face without ref.
So, it's Loomis basically an extension for figure drawing (Vilppu)? Or is it overriding what I did learn with Drawing on the right side of the brain?

>>2050864
>>2050873
Vilppu: The Vilppu Drawing Manual
Michael Hampton: Figure Drawing - Design and Invention

Complete these two before moving to Loomis. They explain form and basic shapes better for beginners. Loomis's teaching is baically "here's a fucking head, copy what I just did and draw a hundred of these retarded potato heads."

>>2050883
Thanks.

>>2050866
edge control nigga god damn

NEW THREAD:

>>2050965

>>2050965

>>2050965

Legit tell me why it's shit and why it looks like shit in the thumbnail but better close up. Be brutal.

Also, I'm not trying to be MUH STYLE, but I wasn't going for a full render. Still looks unfinished, though so that's how I know I fucked up.