/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2043430

Because he is insanely good at what he does? Which is character design. His haughtiness is very real but it's justified, I think, so it's alright.

>>2043437
>Because he is insanely good at what he does?
Seriously? I'd say he's pretty average.

>>2043437

He's good, but there are a LOT of good character designers. Marko's not even particularly good among them.

His fame comes from marketing. Jason Manley pimped him super hard for years on CA, probably to help draw people to the site and to get more sales for Massive Black. Manley is a very talented marketer, whatever anyone else says about him, and, though they've apparently had a falling out, Marko owes most of his fame to him.

>>2043455
Marko is an excellent draughtsman who has a very basic approach to painting. Where others focus on shit that easily impresses noobs such as yourself, like fancy edges, brushwork and rendering techniques, he focuses on drawing, capturing a strong gesture, composition and just good draughtsmanship in general.

Naturally it takes a certain degree of skill to fully appreciate that, which you clearly don't have. Let me guess, your favorite digital artist is probably someone like Jaime Jones or Ruanjia, right? Not saying they are bad artists, but they have what it takes to impress noobies while they don't even come close to the drawing skills of Marko.

>>2043455
>>2043460

Of course there was some of that going on but it doesn't change the fact that Marko is an insane character designer. And definitely a candidate for being 'the' best. If you want to contest his authority in that discipline you're going to have to post some work by some damn good people.

How can you say he is pretty average and not particulary good amongst character designers? That's some serious lack of objectivity imo.

>>2043461

Eh, Marko has sameface syndrome pretty bad. He's draws pretty well, but he's not the art jesus that his fanboys think.

>>2043460
His fame doesn't come from character design. He became famous as an illustrator for doing revolutionary cover artwork for Marvel which has not existed in that quality before he did it. Manley's marketing has shitall to do with that too because Marvel noticed Marko not due to Manley but due to fanart redesigns he did in his freetime.

>>2043463
>How can you say he is pretty average and not particulary good amongst character designers?

How can you say he's particularly great? What about him makes him stand out in the industry? There are bazillions of good character designers. Btw, careful posting SMV stuff and attributing it to Marko; I'm pretty sure they have a pipeline where different people work on different aspects of a piece a lot.

> And definitely a candidate for being 'the' best.

Disagree entirely. I could probably name 2 dozen guys who are objectively better draftsmen (let alone painters) than Marko. Pic related; just the first random folder I opened in my art archives.

This sort of baseball card comparison shit is pretty silly, tbh. I just think people here tend to focus on the same few big names, and forget just how many talented people work in the industry that fly entirely under the radar. It's marketing that makes the difference, not skill.

>>2043464
Nah, no one ever called him the art jesus, that's just a strawman retards like you make up to change the argument to something it never was. Also you are either blind or you don't know what the word "sameface" actually means. What Marko is mostly known for is drawing huge comic illustrations with dozens of different characters on the same cover, that all have different fucking faces.

>>2043461
>Let me guess, your favorite digital artist is probably someone like Jaime Jones or Ruanjia, right? Not saying they are bad artists, but they have what it takes to impress noobies while they don't even come close to the drawing skills of Marko.

Now you are just being a full blown retard mate. Lol.

>>2043471
Read >>2043468 you fucking moron.

Marketing didn't make Marko famous, his X-men redesigns that he posted on ca.org did. He did incredibly strong fanart that did not exist back then. As a result Marvel noticed him and he did incredibly good cover illustrations for them. THAT'S why he's famous now. It has nothing to do with marketing.

Obviously there are dozens of great concept artists and designers today who are better than Marko, but back when he started doing ILLUSTRATIONS for Marvel, he was the best in the entire fucking industry at doing that shit. Concept art and character design is what he does on the side, it was never his main focus. His studio does lots of character design, but don't confuse his studio work with what made him famous back in the old days long before SMV.

>>2043471
>I could probably name 2 dozen guys who are objectively better draftsmen (let alone painters) than Marko

Well do it. Not painters or draftsmen, character designers. I can also name 12 bakers who are better than Marko, give me 12 character designer. Ya can't brah.

>>2043477
Uh, that statement is pretty much correct. What do you disagree with? Ruanjia especially is famous for being a very mediocre draughtsman who fixes his weak drawings through hours of noodling and rendering skills.

>>2043480
sakimichan
kronprinz
just to name a few

>>2043483
Hope you aren't being serious

>>2043430
>OH COME ON, /IC/
>Bash sucessful and skillful draftsmen who work in the industry for years

Are you shitting on based Marko now? Seriously this autism pisses me off... Go back to practice

>>2043480
Wesley Burt
Karl Kopinski
Keita Amemiya
Keith Thompson
Ryan Meinerding
Yang Qi

>>2043493
>His repertoire is pretty limited making most of his work look very samey
>Wesley Burt
>Karl Kopinski
>Keith Thompson
>Ryan Meinerding
>Yang Qi

>>2043461
Except that half his designs have the same gesture and look very samey and that many don't make sense in context.
The new degenesis book is full of character designs that don't actually illustrate properly what they are supposed to represent.

>>2043463
This image for example is supposed to portray a scavenger who rummages about ancient ruines digging in the dirt for scrap.

>>2043493

12>6

>>2043496
You're confusing repertoire with style.
Those artists are pretty varied while Djurdjevic only has like 4 designs he repeats over and over again.

The muscular guy, the skinny guy, the skinny girl and the freak.

I'm not saying he's bad. I do like his stuff.
But he does repeat himself quite often and he is severely overrated.

Also I kinda lost all respect for him when he insulted some guy on the degenesis forum for asking if the spitalians (those degenesis nazi crusader doctors) were inspired by the third reich which he denied.
This wasn't the only occasion when he reacted openly hostile to questions or criticism.

Sweet. Im into character desing so the more artists you name i can look up to the better.
On a side note.
Should i improve my drawing skills (pen and paper) or continue with digital?
I ask because i always see these really cool pencil sketches, pascenko and kopinsky to name some.

>>2043530
Depends.

Pencil sketches usually look more natural and you can do them quickly.

Digital is the way to go if you want to go professional but it takes some time to get good.

Djurdjevic for example isn't very good at digital art imo but really shines when he does detailed pencil sketches but to his own disfavour he is too lazy to do them as he said himself.

>>2043525
>Also I kinda lost all respect for him when he insulted some guy on the degenesis forum for asking if the spitalians (those degenesis nazi crusader doctors) were inspired by the third reich which he denied.

Marko is just butthurt cause a comitee of nazies were better at costume design then he is

>>2043534
Neat. Btw do you know how big is the paper? I am guessing a4 maybe?

>>2043547
A3