/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>2012
>not drawing dicks instead of tubes for simple forms

>>2035213
posted in the last thread and got no replies
How'd I do?

>>2035228
proportions are wrong

giraffe neck

abrupt scalp->hair transition

Given all the possible room for error, did I screw something horribly in this foreshortening of the arm? I have little to no experience with it.

>>2035234
Both of the arms are really thin, and the nipple on the right breast is misplaced.

For future reference, nipples point outward from the spine.

>>2035230
Proportions are wrong for a person in general or just compared to the ref?

>>2035236
>Proportions are wrong for a person in general or just compared to the ref?
You realize the reference is a person, right?

>>2035238
yeah I know, but like if you looked at the drawing by itself the proportions are still off yeah? or are they just different? like two different people can have different sized noses or whatever?

>>2035235

So something like this with the nipple? Also the right arm was hidden behind the boob, didn't draw any lines for it. Not sure what to reference for arm thickness, I just get a feel for them. Is that any important in "anime" drawings?

But now that you mention it and I compare it to the headsize maybe I'm off...

somebody doing the color challenge?

>>2035253
I would be if tablet wasn't busted.

reposting:
my little sister called me yesterday saying she's going to make a scrapbook for grandma, and she wants me to draw a sketch of grandma with grandpa.

what are some things I should grind on the most? I want this from imagination but I never drew anything in realism in imagination before.
want this to be my best work yet

>>2035245
These are the main proportion issues aside from the neck.

>>2035250
Anatomy is important, even for manga, yes.

>>2035263
thanks for the feedback, very very helpful.

>>2035234
>>2035250
The biggest problem with the foreshortning, is that despite her hand coming straight towards the viewer, it is still the same size as her face, you would expect it to be a lot bigger when pointed towards us.
Try to scale it up, and not just a little, purposefully make it too big first, and then scale it down a bit at a time until you get a size you like.

>>2035250
Thin arms aren't a huge deal, but that and her small hands are really noticeable since she has such large breasts.

>>2035235
>>2035263
>>2035270
>>2035273

Alright, will try everything that was suggested. The small hands are just a result of having small arms, because I usually reference their size from them.

Thanks all.

>>2031720
Thanks for this.
I tried scanning a bunch of my other off the page VP perspective drawings, and making a perspective grid on top them in carapace, turned out almost of all of them had the same problem, the right vanishing point would end up too high, making the horizontal line diagonal.

So in this drawing I tried to force myself to lower the right VP as shown by the purple ground plane, as opposed to the original yellow I drew first, and it helped.

>>2035285
I saw that other one you posted in the last thread.

I have no idea just what the fuck those shapes are, but they're some of the most beautiful things I've seen sketched. Seriously, your perspective game is off the charts.

>>2035290
You can do that too anon
It just takes some time and effort to construct the whole thing and then connect the dots with a nice line

>>2035285
I hope you realize that this simply means that your page wasn't scanned at the same orientation as the horizon in the drawing. It's not a mistake, you can just rotate the drawing to make the horizon horizontal, if you so wish.

>>2035290
Thanks, and no the shapes aren't meant to be anything specific, I'm just playing around with random forms by doing exercises from Scott Robertson and Thomas Bertlings book "How to Draw".

>>2035300
I'm afraid that is not the case.
Since this is two point perspective, my verticle lines needed to be perpendicular to my horizon line, however my previous drawings weren't like that because of how I had placed my VPs incorrectly.

>>2035304
So you are practicing eyeballing convergence and VPs? OK whatever makes you happy

Another wobbly freehand perspective drawing, the fins on the back are pretty messed up. I went far out of my comfort zone with this one.
Still need to figure out how to do line weight and how to apply shadows+shading. Any advice?

>>2035325
thicker lines on curves, especially inside curves.

Just doodles of some things. I started working on realistic proportions today for the body, so I'll get to the face soon enough.

>>2035339
Some more stuff I doodled as an idea for my channel art for my youtube page, just so it seems like I half-tried.

>inb4 gonna live off jewtube munies

Honestly I kinda just want to see what I can do with the channel. I know there are a billion and a half gaming channels, but I don't give a fuck, I don't upload regularly for shit, and its all shit I want to play, not crap that people ask me to play.

Anyway, I could use some thoughts. I know proportions need help, so anything would be nice.

>>2035290
Are you serious?

>>2035344
pls dont draw with lined paper

>>2035348
Yeah I know, I showed this to an art major friend and that was the first thing she said too. I'm just going to use either loose leaf printer paper or just say fuckit and get a sketchbook.

>>2035344
eyes are halfway from the crown of the head to the chin. Bottom of the nose is halfway from the eyes to the chin. Mouth is a little under halfway from the nose to the chin.

Shoulders are 2 - 2 1/2 head-widths for women, and 3 for men. When straight down, the elbows fall just below the ribcage, and the hands rest on the upper thigh.

Eyes are usually one eye-width apart. For men, the nose is usually one eye-width wide, but for women it's a bit smaller.

I'm fairly new to drawing, and I made this, r8?
>btw, I'm not trying to make it look realistic, or like animu, more like comics

>>2035353
arms and calves/feet too small, and the jaw is too defined.

>>2035353
>>2035356
Oh, and the thumb on the rightmost hand is on the wrong side.

>>2035353
proportions in general are messed up

>>2035353
You drew her without deltoids. In a position like that, your shoulders would almost touch your neck.

>>2035356
>>2035357
>>2035359
>>2035366
score pls?

>>2035359
specify pls

>>2035397
>sticky

>>2035401
>>2035366
>>2035359
>>2035357
>>2035356
changed it up a bit, how'd i do?

>>2035424
Those hands are tiny

Also there shouldn't be a gap between her thighs seen from that angle unless her vagina is just a triangular flap.

Those lumpy shoulder muscles... the formless breasts... the way the neck attaches...

The anatomy is just peppered with so many little flaws, I could write paragraphs nitpicking it apart.

You'd be so much better off working with reference. I would suggest starting from scratch. Dig around, find some reference you like, work from that. It doesn't matter if you're going for something "stylized," you will still benefit immensely by studying an actual body.

>>2035447
Cont. (posting more reference)

Also flipper-feet. Eesh.

>>2035452
OH GOD WHAT IS THAT THING GET IT AWAY FROM ME

>>2035456
You're going to have to get over your fear of gingers someday, might as well be today.

>>2035456
Eh?

Any tips or critique?

>>2035463
I'm no expert myself, but I think it looks pretty good, aside from the eye on the left, I don't know what's wrong with it, but it just seems off.
But still pretty good.

>>2035463
You're scribbling your lines way too much, concentrate on making your strokes thoughtful and effective or it just comes across as a cluttered mess. It confuses the eye, clutters the form, and detracts from the quality of your sketch. I'm sure you didn't need to make 12 separate strokes to define the chin. Also watch out how you're lifting your pen and the shape you're forming with your stroke. It's really noticeable in the bangs, you can see curls in the line at the top of the strokes of the bangs. The form doesn't curve in there like that so why should your strokes?

Also I have no idea why you make those guidelines without the intention of following them.

>>2035468
>>2035469
I think the reason drawing beginners use a lot of lines, is to give the effect of a "professional" sketch, like the ones in the movies.

>>2035470
Except most professional sketches are pretty (comparatively) clean without a shitton of unnecessary lines flying everywhere.

>>2035228
fix the shoulders nigga what the fuck

>>2035228
dat neck, come on anon, you can do better, I believe in you!

>>2035228
Stop rushing. Take your time to draw accurately. Remember that the face is usually be divided into thirds.

Is there a book or video that explains ways to drawing and simplifying texture such as a road, bricks on a wall, or even walls to a house?

>>2035463
Forgive me, anon. I'm not too familiar with stylized art yet. Still, I wanted to help a bit. I think you're rushing into details to quickly and not giving line quality enough consideration. Usually people call it chicken scratch. Like >>2035469 said, you don't need 15 lines to define a feature.


Also, your proportions are pretty off. The top of the ear tends not to go past the brow-line and it's too big in comparison with the rest of the face.

The face can be divided into thirds to get a good idea of where the features should be placed. If any of these divisions are too long or too short the face looks a bit off. I'm surprised no one has said this yet but you could benefit a lot through reading Loomis' books. Take what I say with a grain of salt, though. I'm no expert.

Fuck son drawing from imagination is impossible

>>2035262
Concentrate less on the details of the portrait and more on the forms. Form first, details later. You can try flipping the image upside down to get a new perspective.

>>2035470
Recent beginner here, it's because we're trying to achieve the ideal shape which can be inked over afterwards.

>>2035570
if thats the case, check out the sticky and the one-stop beginners guide

>>2035570
That's a terrible excuse. You still need to be confident with your lines even if you'll ink them later.

>>2035582
Yeah I've managed to drop it already, keys to drawings restatements are pretty much the same thing.

>>2035585
I don't think you've grasped the described process.

beginner here, i'l save time by posting DA
http://raguzachan.deviantart.com/
go easy i'm barely 4 days into drawing

New to /ic/
Currently studying fine arts
Im stuck guys, i lost touch with my inner artist...any tips or critique will be aporeciated
Will post some more recent stuff if needed

>>2035238
>>2035230
>>2035493
>>2035499
>>2035520
>>2035263
I made a couple of changes, I think I fixed the shoulder/neck situation. I made the nose a little bit bigger and I tried to blend the hairline a bit more. The rest I felt was too far along to try and fix. Does it at least look a little better?

Ok, I try to figure out all of what I found here:
http://www.onlypencil.com/blog/tutorials/drawing-realist-tiger-with-pencil-chin/

I think it is a little better but still a lot of work to do.

>>2035557
Which Loomis book(or books) would you recommend?

This is kind of the stuff I draw. It's really poorly detailed and pretty simplistic. My question is - should I focus more on details or would that come with coloring this kind of lineart?

I feel like I'm running out of ideas where I could be drawing lines, and I'm not sure is it weather I'm just insecure of them or if it's as far as it goes.

just started on the normal faces part of loomis. i also have some jojo:ba pictures open on my computer

am i gonna make it?

>>2035684
you should work on your head shape and shoulders/clavicle prior to adding more detail.

>>2035684
I know a guy who does things kinda like you.

I tried to go for a sort of simple or cartoon style a while back. Whenever I felt like there weren't enough lines I'd just pull up some good reference.

IMO for this in particular I'd put some more folds around the waist, large breasted girls with thin waists in tight dresses will always have these weird rippling cloth rims along their abs/under their breasts because of the size difference.

You're not doing anything seriously wrong, but if you want to expand just...do more stuff. Put more stuff in, more characters, put a good background. Keep referencing small unimportant stuff like lighters and lamps and necklaces. A somewhat flat color style would really make this pop.

>>2035685
he has no head and extremely small ears, also eyes are a bit wonky, but aside from that it looks decent for comic art.

>>2035695
so lower the eyes and make ears bigger?

>>2035685
Study facial anatomy.
Eyes are an eye distance apart.
Ears go from the top of the eyes to the bottom of the nose.
What is happening to the middle of the nose?

>>2035691

Guess the wrong head shape is noticable. Just today I've started working on it ( didn't have a set way to drawing a head, always went with whatever felt decent to me, which is probably low standards ).

And how would you suggest working on the clevicle? Do I just try to figure that area looking at references? ( like the 5k athletic images~ compilation in the sticky )

>>2035692

the only problem I see when focusing more on single smaller parts is that they start looking off compared to the rest, I still don't have the basic shapes and proportions down so what I feel might happen is that I get this detailed part drawn but it won't fit at all to the rest due to a different angle or what not

>>2035704
Sycra on youtube has a video on shoulders that includes a section on drawing the clavicle. Art of Wei might have one too, I don't remember.

Aside from that, yeah, just look at anatomical references. Pay attention to angles especially.

>>2035213
ugh

>>2035708
>>2035692
>>2035691

thank yoz

gotta say the colors are really nice in the ops pic. too bad i failed to create soemthing more thougtful

>>2035720
Do a face with multicolored light sources using those colors.

I dare you.

Please how I do?.

Sorry for the poor quality.

>>2035738
i cant even face with standard light :|

>>2035623
a good start would be to upload your pictures in the correct orientation and at a smaller resolution. Like 600 px wide for portrait or 800 for landscape

still tryin

>tfw you're shit

>tfw you dont want to be shit

>tfw you make mistakes in proportion and it is hard to discern how to fix it.

>tfw you just keep grinding and have faith it will improve eventually.

>tfw you worry it won't

>>2035709

Tried again

>>2035780
you just ignored hel of the colors!

looks really boss eyed, but other than that, pretty nice!

harder than I thought. had to cheat and pick some darker colors

>>2035786
how do you get that chunky rectangular / angular look? what brush is that? if I use hard round everything is rounded... if I go square, the square doesn't rotate around corners its always in the same orientation

>>2035803
just use square one and set the angle jitter control to direction

>>2035781
Thanks! I went for a bit of a stupid look for the cat. About the colors, I color picked about ten times, didn't get a single blue. I guess I got the text color too.

>>2035803
You can do what other anon said, or do a reduction style painting. You can get the same sharp edges using reduction with round brushes (it's what I used to do) and vice versa with square brushes, but that's stupid and you should probably use angular brushes for angular things.

>>2035742
stop drawing anime and practice construction faces more. Go back to stylized stuff when you have a proper understanding of facial characteristics.

beginners of all /ic/
what's THAT thing you can't draw, even with references?
i'm curious.

>>2035819
absolutely nothing, we are all gods among men and can draw anything we want because of our superior fundamentals and loomus knoledge

>>2035813
to add to this

you could also draw on both sides of an edge to achieve more convincing edges.

>>2035819
Fucking eyes and lips

>>2035819
>tfw everything

>>2035821
>loomus the fungus
>not drawing perfectly with just your willpower and non existant talent like leonardo the hack

Is it bad to use paper on my tablet? I feel like I'm cheating but my lines are so much steadier

>>2035864
Nothing about using paper on your drawing tablet is bad.

>>2035865
But I feel like all the big bad artists will make fun of me. I guess I'll keep doing it though

>>2035864
Paper? Like as a straight edge? Why in the world would that be bad?

>>2035869
I meant putting a sheet over the tablet so it feels like paper and my pen doesn't slide around as much.

>>2035870
I don't see why that would be considered bad.

Hell, I use some Wacom felt nibs in my pen to make it feel more like paper.

>>2035866
nobody would make fun of you for that. That's actually really smart.

idiot.

>>2035870
That's fine to do, only downside is you'll probably wear down the nub faster, but that can be replaced.

what am I doing? Do I give up?

>>2035890
doing wrong

>>2035890
do construction, because you clearly don't understand facial structure enough.

how do I use construction lines properly?

>>2035890
L O O M I S
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how do I draw dicks?

>>2035904
show us a picture of your dick and we'll give you some tips.

>>2035871
I tried that before, but it messed with the sensitivity.

>>2035904

>>2035904
2/2

>>2035901
I read that pdf today, maybe I'm an idiot but I couldnt find anything useful to me

>>2035910
sounds to me like you didn't actually read "that pdf" Loomis can teach you exactly what you're asking in this thread.

Probably actually read some of his books.

>>2035909
>>2035908
oh my god

>>2035910
If you couldn't find anything useful than you didn't actually read it. It might seem like common sense but you have to internalize the information, not just understand it. Do the exercises, learn to feel forms and volumes as you draw, that's how you actually absorb information from those books.

Trying to get better at perspective right now I'm having a hard time understanding what to put where. So far I'm reading "Gwen White - Perspective" to better help me out.

criticism?

About 3-4 weeks on and off between Uni, I've only really been drawing spheres and trying to get perspective right so far and this is my first true attempt at trying to copy something

>>2035992
copying is worthless, you want to understand.
drop the anime, its not helping anyrhing.

>>2035992
isn't copying what people usually do for poses and stuff?

i have no idea where to go from now and i can't draw spheres all day. Drawing poses seems to be another ball park entirely so I feel like it may be a better idea to stick to improving on drawing the head.

>>2035998
meant to quote: >>2035996

didn't think it was THAT bad, since there is still a lot to do, until I flipped it. I know that it's off now, but i'm not exactly sure how to fix it. i'll post the flipped version as well.

thanks for any advice. I should really resize. i'm a dumb baby. sorry.

>>2035213

Can anyone please help me with pencil grip ? I love the paintbrush grip but I feel it is redundant for quick sketching.

>>2035998
The thing people (should) do is reference poses, not copy them. When starting a figure you should put down whats in your mind first, and THEN find a reference to better understand things like how a limb is foreshortened, or where the center of gravity is. Its okay for you to start with drawing the head, but you shouldn't do it from anime. Anime is a highly stylized language of symbols that arise from people understanding a complex subject and presenting it in a noncomplex way. Trying to learn how to draw a head from cartoons/anime is like trying to learn chemistry by reading the glossary. You should 1) learn the major planes 2) learn the proportions 3) look over the anatomy (imo not AS important in the head as the rest of the body) and 4) google heads and ask yourself questions; how do the folds of the eyes overlap each other? What happens to the rest of the face when someone smiles or frowns? How does the far facing corner of the mouth look like at different angles? etc etc. And most of all above all this, gain an early fundamental understanding of perspective. Perspective is in absolutely everything we draw and I personally wish I knew that earlier.
You start smart, concise, structured and with life and with the teaching of professionals. Work for that rigid base foundation of understanding and you'll rise above your peers.

>>2036025

God I love you. If you told that IRL I would fuck you till you bled.

>>2036025
Fair enough, thanks for the advice.

In all honesty I just wanted to draw something sort of fun and I thought the picture wasn't too badly proportioned but I totally understand not using anime for reference, I'll stick to real people.

>>2036025

>>2035752
I dont have a pc yet, and my phone cant do all that stuff

>>2036039
This is great!! i wish i had a plaster sculpture to work with than just pictures

>Havent drawn anything in the last 2 months
>Lost all my fundamentals
Fuck me
Where do I start again?

Would you guys please help me with this one?
I know there are fundamental problems with the sketch, but I would like to ask you, how to render to not to lose the essential details? I mean, at the fully rendered picture it seem too soft, but if I don't use soft brush, then I can't make it look smooth enough. Please share any remarks.

>>2036156
Try doing it in black and white before jumping into color. It'll help you see the values clearly.

Trying to work on my proportions by drawing figures. Also need to work on my line confidence as you can see. I'm a little better in the doodles, but when i try to actually draw something I get all scratchy.

Can anyone recommend some other exercises for either of these?

>>2036156
I feel like you lost something between your steps.

The nose and chin became flat for instance, the lips constantly change shape between steps and I'll be honest, they looked their best in your sketch. You added a shitton of shadow on the right size of the nose, adding to that sunken feeling, you didn't have that shadow in the middle step and I don't think you needed it. I think you've also over-blended the whole thing. Try blending with a hard-edged brush as opposed to a soft-edged brush. That way you wont get that uniform fuzziness like you ran the thing through a blur filter.

>>2036226
forgot to attach this

>>2036226
cont.
Hard edged shadows and soft edge shadows. It's good to have a mixture of both but too much of the soft and it's a blurry mess.

>>2036209
Do it on paper nigga

>>2036209
Work with reference and stick closely to it?

>>2036209
Practice with reference. Use longer, smoother strokes articulating with the elbow and not the wrist. Don't be afraid to hit the undo button if a stroke is particuarly wonky/shitty/hairy

>>2035992
You're not learning anything beyond what shapes that particular artist draws for that particular pose.

You're much better off starting at the fundamentals so you learn some actual structure to build off of instead of making mindless copies.

try doing a study from reference and we can work from there.

>>2035685
Refereeeeeence

>>2035685
show us a face from an angle

facing forward is easy as shit

>>2035685
from the way you draw, I imagine you're a big fan of chinese cartoons

>>2036226
>>2036229
>>2036234
Thank you, that's exactly what I wanted to know, I had that feeling too that I lost something in between the steps. Also thanks for the tutorial, truly useful.

Is it ok to use "the new drawing on the right side of the brain" instead of "drawing on the right side of the brain"?

2,5 hour life drawing
crits please

can anybody here capture sadder expression than this?

i have tried referencing it, but came nowhere close

How did I do

>>2036595

>>2036613
don't upload your picture sideways, and why the fuck is it 5000x3000.

>>2036524
The groin area is a bit weird to me, but I'm not sure.

>>2036626
not even close

>>2036613
learn how 2 see and copy what you see
then you'll know whether your drawings are shit or not

>>2036260
might finish this tomorrow or it'll end up as one of my many unfinished pieces

>>2036595
shoud do this as a topic for the next thread.

Extreme expressions that hold the highest amount of given emotion

Fuck this, i'm going nowhere.
I quit. Next time I draw females without this stupid shit around the neck.

>>2036728
The legs are better than the last one, but you should pay more attention to the back and ribcage areas.

I know this drawing is shitty, but why is it shitty? More precisely, what makes the colouring shitty, and how can I improve it?

>>2035213
Any pointers?
First time drawing almost the entire figure from reference.
I've done a bit of studying.

And here's a b&w version just because.

I've been drawing for like 20 years and I still hate what I do.

trying to into basic shapes

>>2036799
if i drew that, id hate it too

>>2036799
20 years and its still flat like your gf chest

wheres the volume at?

>>2036260
Tried this. I should obviously start measuring things.
That aside, how do I draw hair /ic/?

i recently got a Tablet about a year ago, i Drew my character from D&D,

Hey I just started drawing about 2 months ago so I know this one isn't too good, but I wanted to know what you guys think. Should I change anything?

>>2036912
Just draw another picture. Don't stuck with this one.

Do you ever start drawing something and then think "hey, this'd look better as an x" and end up drawing something COMPLETELY different?

>>2036912
http://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/mastering-the-art-of-letting-go

>>2036958
All the time. I'm so indecisive that I never get anything finished and thus never progress.

>>2036960
The eyes in this are so fucked. Pupils and varied light much? Light on eyes doesn't hit DIRECTLY IN THE CENTER. I doubt you'd want to STARE DIRECTLY INTO LIGHT.

>>2036966
It actually happens all the time, just looking into a bright window would produce that effect. Same for a camera flash, that's why people tend to shut their eyes and need multiple takes.

>>2036966
Iz disney stile

>>2036960
ぺにすはどこですか?

Whats the thing where you make a grid for perspective called?

>>2036524
>2,5 hour
Are you serious?

>Want to do some practice
>Cant think of a pose
>Absolutely hate those stupid poses on Sketchdaily

>>2036260

How can I achieve smooth lines like >>2035684
Is it made in one fluid stroke? I've been drawing semi-frequently for like 3 months now and I feel my lines are still rough.
Tips pls

>>2037053
Use SAI's stabiliser (about 10) and trace over your rough sketch. Ctrl+z whenever it isn't smooth and work on a super big canvas

>>2037049
It looks good from the thumbnail, at least.

>>2037056
I have PS (torrented) that I use. Should I switch to SAI? Pic is pretty much how most lines end up looking after I try and touch them up.

Feel free to critique anything else in pic as well, even though it's not a legitimate work I drew it like all my other stuff. I want to get better.

>>2037060
Sai is more aimed to the drawing side of art. Go with that

>>2037062
Ok will do then. Thanks.

>>2037057
Still undid/redrew a crap ton of lines... I'll take that as a sign that I'll need to stop being a lazy shit and reopen Loomis.

>>2036894
That looks really nice

>>2037060
SAI is great for linework and I know artists like Erebun use it for ultra clean artwork. I rarely line over sketches in PS unless I'm a masochist. (and I use Lazy Nezumi for stability).

It just takes ages to make clean lineart, though. I had a saved tutorial somewhere but the artist has put it into storage ;_;, but essentially you just use a super thin brush and trace over the lines, kind of in like a wrist or arm flick so you cover the curve in one single movement. (and you go off aim like 95% of the time hence the ctrl+zing). You can also zoom in and knock off a few pixels when two lines collide to blend them into each other and make it look as if it was a single line to begin with.

It's much easier in SAI anyway.

Photoshop - for painterly look
SAI for manga/anime look.

>>2037070
>>2037060
Anyway I had a better tut then this but I used this one at one point.
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/167/c/3/sai_lineart_tutorial___ish_by_zearyu-d3j4jtx.jpg

>>2037070
Ok I will definitely get SAI then. I've been doing the lines like you say too where you just quickly flick & try and aim it, then delete it if it's not correct (hope I'm not misinterpreting that). Honestly it's just cleaning up the lines that makes it look weird, since it's hard to replicate the same curves using this flick & aim, so I will get it close & create a "patch line" where it connects the two. It's pretty noticeable in the gloves where it gets bumpy (referencing >>2037060). Hopefully as you say SAI will help with that issue

You know guys I was studying a perspective for a whole month and at the end realised that perspective isn't that I want to learn (at least now) which makes me very sad. Crap.

>>2037073
Saved, thank you. I'll use this when I get SAI tomorrow.

>>2037074
Try to patch lines as little as possible to complete a curve, but you'll find it easier to avoid patching it with SAI. Photoshop is a gigantic piece of crap when it comes to lining. It makes everything so rough...

Just remember, stabiliser, stabiliser, stabiliser.

>>2036960
why delete it though. Like why not just keep it to look at later if you feel like. You don't need to delete your shit to not be attached to it.

>>2037073
xDxDxD jesus christ

>>2037115
Shit I know, but nobody else can be fucked making tuts... They take too long to be worthwhile unless you're popularity whoring.

What can I do to fix the left eye region?

>>2037073
How do I arrange my brushes?
I dont like that the main brushs I use are all over the place

>>2037125
Dunno I never bothered since I only use Pen/Water colour/Brush with shortcuts

>>2037125
Hold ALT to move them.

>>2035685
Does this ref person not have a brain, as you've left no space for one ?

>>2037135
Don't be such a shit, we were all beginners at one point.

>>2037128
You mean Ctrl

>>2035910
Are you a retard?

>>2035813
>>2035805
Cool thanks guys

Fuck

>>2035213
2 questions.

Those life drawing classes where a group pays a model to pose for them, what's the average fee and how soon should I start attending?

Secondly, my tablet is charged, the wireless is installed and i have photoshop open. The stylus does nothing.
What do I do to start drawing with it?

>>2037191
Problem two is fixed, my cat walked across my intuous pro and it started working.

>>2037124
pls halp

>>2037048
I swear, if I see one more picture of that fucking masked faggot or that old guy who looks like that brittish actor, I will murder someone.

I love those old b&w housewives, though.

>>2037048
Find a picture of a body builder squatting.

Im doing a design for a chair right now. And i placed figueres to make it more believable. Could somebody post out what the biggest issues with these are? (maybe even a quick redline)

>>2037246
They dont have to look great. Just good enough so no body gets cancer looking at them.

>>2037246
>>2037248
perspective is fucked, align them with the chair

>>2037246
*point out

>>2037250
Can you give me a redline? I just cant seem to fix it.

>>2037124
The eye is starting on the bridge of the nose. Which is weird.

>>2036970
ぺにす should be in katakana, don't embarrass yourself.

>>2035818

Thank for the advice Im new here in /ic/

>>2037296
all your faces seem to be in the same angle, I have the same problem, currently trying to beat it out of myself. Push yourself to shake off that crutch, anon.

I need desperate help, Im been working on towergirl for a few days and my only challenge left is i need to make hands and fingers, I need the hands in pretty much folded like (pic related) but i can't get it with out the fingers coming out retarded looking.

Putting proportions aside, how can I improve this painting? I feel like the strokes are shitty and I don't know how to make it better

I'm absolutely awful at hair. Any tips with that? And I usually struggle with getting proportions right. In an attempt to make it look like she's pulling her panties down, it made her hips look all fucked up.

>>2037469
Have some lines coming in from the ends, not just in the middle. Also, avoid triangle shapes like that bit on the left. Spikes are okay, but only if they're thin.

>>2037469
Also I'm new to this board and never realized chicken scratch was bad.

> pls be nice

>>2037479
It's not bad as long as you only chicken scratch your sketches. If you have the ability to draw cleanly, and employ that on your line art, you're fine.

>>2037478
Alright. Thanks.

Proportions are one thing, but what about extra lines from when bodies are contorting or leaning? Like her whole left side. I did the best I could but I was unsure the whole time. Still am a little.

>>2037440

pls helperino

>>2037486
Proko on youtube has a video on "the bean" which covers this exact topic.

Simplified, it shows that when one side is scrunched, the other side is stretched.

>>2037487
Outside of the face and right arm, I have no idea what I'm even looking at

>2037489
I'll check it out.

What about posing, how do you figure that out and do you have suggestions for this? I got this far on something but I'm not quite sure how to work it out. I know I want her laying on her back or side, but I can't decide.

>>2037440
bigger brush might help you

I started 3 month ago but did it wrong. Now I realise that i need to draw from my imagination as much as i can (as tehmeh said). Let's Drawwwwww!

So I'm new to tablet drawing and I can't figure out how to color things properly. Everything I try ends up looking strange and dirty, and I prefer my line drawings. What are good painting techniques or styles?
Also, how to make clean lines?

>>2037620
This is the uh, thing that I've achieved after hours of coloring and recoloring. Definitely not near completion, but I don't like where it's going.

>>2035627
her left shoulder is detached from her body.

>>2037620
Use pressure sensitivity on your lines.

So if I got his idea right I just need to draw until I feel myself that I needed to study something that I working on?

I colored this black and white ink I found. How'd I do? Any suggestions on how to color better?

>>2035213

Pls crit my progress

>>2037669
>progress
Have a heart to heart with yourself

Does this look *anything* like how a head should resemble?

>>2037669
Lower eyes and hairline. Amateur here too but thats what people got on my case about all the time and I never even noticed it.

>>2037674

you have something similar for females? would be even better if with "anime"

because I only have this one and it's not close to what I'm aiming for

>>2037674
dude I couldn't draw a circle. But ty for input

>>2037678
Then draw a 100 circles with division lines on them.
A 100. And you will be good.

>>2037669
draw still lifes or just forms in general. You are not ready for something as complex as a head or figure drawing.

>>2037706

Fuck yea I will

>>2037669
Bloody hell, that looks like Brianna Wu

>>2037676
Maybe try looking up various ref sheets for anime shows and/or pausing anime shows while watching them?
That's the best advice I can offer.

Anime generally follows real life shading rules except simplified, though.

I know one of the animes I watched produced head angle refs like pic related.

>>2037715

For a beginner it's valuable to know where should the chin end, how high are the ears, and all that stuff from all the angles. It's not even guaranteed that it's correct in anime shows since they often work quick. A solid base is what I'm lacking.

Maybe I should study this >>2037676 more, for some reason it looks off to me in terms of a regular females head. Probably just me though...

>>2037729

Maybe something like pic related+ superimposing anime faces onto it?

If I recall correctly I read somewhere that females had less pointed chins compared to males.

Wanted to just throw something out there for beginners having trouble with proportion, and trying to measuring by eye using shapes (eyes, lines, etc.) or by holding their pencil out isn't helping. I know I've seen this advice before, but I dunno if somebody else hasn't come across it yet.

Since you're working on a 2-d surface, you only really need to worry about an x and y axis when you're trying to draw something from reference or life. If you draw out your first line in the drawing, and you see another line or point you want to move to next, try to find an endpoint for your line and look for where the horizontal and vertical axis are relative to a point on the other line, and then try to eyeball an angle running from the point you want to draw to the point that is already on the paper. If you can get both of these steps correct, you'll be in approximately the right place. You'll still need to draw the lines, but you'll have landmarks on the paper where you put these points.

This should help you be able to just visually rough out a proportional framework. It probably won't be as exact as a grid, but a grid is kind of the most rigorous and time consuming method of drawing a thing proportionally.

>>2037732

>>2037667 here
Should I take the lack of replies to mean I did a decent job? Or that nobody cares about dumb coloring? I'm very insecure

>>2037732

Rather the other way around, wide chin means manly

>>2037667
not too crazy about the shading on the hair. looks too much like a drop-shadow

Just downloaded a RAR called ART
It seems to have all the beginner shit
Where should I start, is Loomis really that good to begin with?

>>2037736
Here's how I'd do it but don't take it as accurate because I have no art training.

>>2037754
In my personal opinion, as a fellow beginner going through this stuff, Loomis does a good job of telling you what you need as an artist, but not the greatest job explaining how to achieve it.

I like Vilppu's stuff; that manual you have highlighted in your pic has somewhat of the same problem, but not nearly as much. Most importantly, it emphasizes the importance of gesture and form, which has personally helped me out in the long run.

Not finish this one. Hey guys, what i can change on this stage?

>>2037754
Well. Forget about this shit and start to draw whatever you want. Then if you stuck with something and want to improve (anatomy, environment.. whatever) fix it up by using a books or photo references and so on.

?

>>2037780
I feel like I'm totally drunk in the forest. I like most of it, but the plants on the ground could use a little more life.

>>2037771
I feel that the slopes all intersect a little too well towards the bottom right, I think you need to break up that area more.

>>2036613
Why does every beginner draw this stance?

>hands in pockets cause fuck hands
>cut off just under knees cause fuck feet

>>2037787
they're afraid of drawing hands and feet because besides the face, they're one of the hardest bits of the anatomy for beginners to draw.

>>2037780
You won't get better if you just keep on doing it like that.
Turn off the colors, Focus on drawing out the correct shapes, Then you draw in the shadows and the details at the focal points.
Then you can paint it.

>>2037501
Still looking for an answer. Feedback from anyone is nice. Even other amateurs.

>>2037790
When I started I always liked hands over faces.

>>2037787
Because of what you said
Fuck hands

>>2037501
You really need to decide these things and sketch in a general layout of your drawing before you start laying into details. That way you can hash out any proportion/composition issues before you invest a lot of time in an area you may need to adjust/move

Also her chin looks really off-kilter.

When reading Loomis should I be drawing at the same time?
I find having to Alt Tab to be to much of a pain doing them both at the same time

>just want to draw waifus and titties all day
>still can't wrap my head around anatomy
I'm probabl going to take some classes when I get the chance, but in the meantime does anybody have some of those anatomy reference pictures that all the good artists toss around? I'd be grateful.

>>2037817
Ok. I've always tried getting one thing down perfect then basing it all off that one item. But I see what you mean and I'll try more of that.

>>2037818
Try sketching in a sketchbook. What he teaches isn't media-specific. If you want you can practice what you learned later on the computer.

I'm in the beginning stage and just drew this head. I see the eyes are off, the chin is either too high or the mouth is just misplaced, and some other things strewn all over the place, but if there is any advice it'd be appreciared. My lines are scratchy and my shadows sketchy because I wanted to practice looking for shadows, but I didn't want to spend 2 hours on something since im new, this took like, 20 minutes I think.

>>2037832

Of course I forgot the picture.

>>2037832
When you're looking for shadows, you should be looking for clean shapes and filling them in with tone, not just sketching around like that. Think of it like this.

>>2037836

Thanks, I see what you mean. I'll try practicing doing some cleaner shadows.

Water practice

Any Tools on Sai to make a flat line?

>>2037847
That depends. Why do you need it?

>>2037848
For measuring purposes
I want to tell if like the eyes I draw are even in height
I know theres that one line tool that makes it straight but its not going perfectly vertical

>>2037783
I'll try that later. Thanks mate!

Attempt 1 of 5
Conducting 3 stax study
Pls crit,redline,give advice etc.
I cringe looking at this
I won't stop till I get it right

>>2037884
Ref image

how does /ic/ like their lolis? ... Or, rather should I say, elves and fairies

Rate m8s

>>2037867

>>2037884
ahahaha those teeth! the way you sloped the gums in the front and sharpened his canines makes him look like some kind of vampiric bugs bunny.

Also his chin is flying off to the left and you gave him tiny baby ears.

>>2037867
Look at reference. Proportions, planes, colors, these are things you are lacking.

>>2037947
how do you guys do studies of hot chicks? I would probably have to beat off like every 5 minutes. just like how I saw this hot chick at baskin robbins wearing little booty shorts HAD TO FUCKIN JACK OFF WHEN I GOT HOME HOLY SHIT.

>>2037901
What pencil do you use ?

Crit pls. How bad is it ? Do you'd symbol drawing ?

>>2037947
Actually i did it. its seems little bit better. Thank you.

>>2037963
DAMN. She is so terrible. D:< Especially her chin.

Hows my understanding of Anatomy and perspective?
Still cant do hands

>>2037999
>Hows my understanding of Anatomy and perspective?
Not good. But you're in the right place. You got all the major body parts on paper, but that's about it.

Do some figure studies from the refs thread. At this point you need quantity over quality. The next time you post, you should have at least 10 figures instead of just 1

>>2038002
But are they in the right place?
Are the arms the right size?
The best looking thing to me is the chest and stomach, but not the breasts

>>2038006
>But are they in the right place?
>Are the arms the right size?
It's not just the placement and size, the lines that you chose to draw imply certain body parts are occluding others, which makes your drawing confusing. For example, her left inner elbow line makes her arm look twisted. The base of her neck is intersecting the collar bones. The armpit lines don't make sense.

Hammer out a few figures instead of tweaking one over and over. Think about the rib cage like an egg and attach it to the pelvis etc etc do some studies from the sticky if you need to.

>>2037999
Her right (our left) breast does some weird shit in the armpit. Also, don't do "manga" and ask for advice on anatomy.

>>2038013
Ah I see what you mean
So I should try to do more quick drawings rather than trying to clean like I've been trying to do
>>2038016
Its just kinda what comes to me naturally, whenever I dont have a reference I just default to this

>>2038017
This took about 25 minutes

>saw someone mention felt nibs for wacom tablet pens
>look them up
>$5 plus shipping for a pack of 5
Yeah, right. I thought Wacom was Japanese, not Israeli.

How do you measure proportions for organic things?

Say, I want to draw a House or Car in front of me, how would I get the measurements for that? I know betty edwards does the pencil trick (like everyone else), and places that exact measurement on paper.

But my problem is, what if I want to make it bigger?

>>2038095

Eyeball angles. If you have an image and place dots on it, the other dots can be found by referencing an angle from at least two other dots that will intersect there. So, if I draw two lines from two different locations that intersect somewhere, their angle determines the proportion. If I make the distance between the two reference dots smaller, and then draw the same angled lines towards an intersection, that intersection will be a proportionately equal distance to the references as the time I did it and the references were further apart.

Basically, if you don't want to measure it out with a pencil your options are to either draw a grid, do it intuitively, or find a reference point. maybe the references would be the end of the ear and the bottom of the chin, and the point you want to find is the left most edge of one of the eyes, and then you try to work out the angle from the chin to the eye, and the ear to the eye, draw those lines and look for where they intersect. That is where the edge of the eye is. Th

This depends on your ability to accurately see angles, but if you can then you can scale up or scale down an image as much as you want. The further away your points are tho, the larger the room for error.

First time rly trying to create something.
It should be more about the suit but i wanted to ask if im on the right path.
Kinda feel like his right arm is messed up?

I'm pretty sure I have my anatomy all wrong here, could somebody help me with this? Maybe some redline too?

>>2038128
arms are to short
But we cant really Anatomy shit if shes wearing a Air packed Hoodie

>>2037889
Attempt 2of 5
I'm certain that I improved here
Pls crit,redline advise etc.

>>2038126
I just realised myself how terrible this is, starting over.

So, who or what can tell me how forms intersect?
I was under the impression that one object would yield to the perspective of the other object that it was intersecting.
But some looked really wrong. A few of them I did correctly, but a few I just could not figure out.
I tried to re-create to shapes in blender to figure it out and the rule of thumb that I was using was as useful as a thumb up my asshole.
Can anyone help me out with this?

>>2037960
Simple mechanical pencil for these. The variance you might be picking up is that after I digitize the page I use the photoshop airbrush for exentuating shadows and highlights

>>2037963
Now, Lori Beth Denberg with Vital Information for your everyday life!

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>>2038205
>>2038205
>>2038205

>>2038126

i tried...

>>2037049
looks like moot