/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

What's a good beginner book to understand the contour of the body?

>Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up.

I drew a skull two days ago, but I haven't been drawing since because my palm and forearm hurts for some reason. However, something about the skull looks off, and it's pretty flat. I guess.

Can't get the lines to converge correctly when the VPs are off page.

Ok guys, I suck balls at coloring. The issue is, I don't know what brushes I have to use so I end up with the Sketchbook Pro default ones and I don't even know if they're the best ones for the job.
I mostly need a guide/tutorial I think

>>2030579
forgot pic

>>2030573
Are you using a ruler or are your freehand straight lines just insane?

How do you colour in sketches ? I draw digitally by the way

>>2030573
>>2030583
Looks like ruler.
Once you understand how perspective works just loosen up and have fun with it, do a lot of freehand, you will see that you improve much quicker then with a ruler.

>>2030580
Forget the coloring, go work on that horrible anatomy.

>>2030579
>>2030580
The brushes are fine. You can see I used a large round brush and didn't even really blend, and it is starting to read more clearly, especially at a small size. Your issue is twofold--the drawing is a bit off, and also the values are wrong. Once you correct your values the colour almost falls into place.

Finally learned a lot about the in-depths of perspective. Going to go ahead and get into figure drawing, but before doing so, I always heard a lot about using "shapes" as body parts. I did some random youtube research, but I notice no one really uses shapes while gesture drawing or figure drawing period.

I'm not sure how to approach this.

>>2030606
>>2030599
Thanks. Honestly I didn't pay a lot of attention to the sketching part since I wanted to practice coloring for once.
I can see what you mean with your example, that's a much better coloring that what I did using the blending tool for an hour.

I'd need one of these kid coloring books but with more complex figures, because going through the sketching and the inking part when I only want to practice coloring is a nuisance.

>>2030583
>>2030595
Freehand line first, then draw on top of it afterwards with a ruler to correct mistakes.

>>2030628
Shapes are only used to learn. When you do a lot of drawings, you don't need them anymore. You already see the figures as shapes

>>2030567

See, this is what we get when OP stops posting stretching and anti carpal exercises in the OP....

Another one bites the dust i guess.

>>2030629
The drawing stage is the most important. If you fuck up there, you'll be fixing mistakes for as long as you decide to work on the painting. a solid drawing honestly makes everything easier

>>2030636
I can probably live with it, I have TMD so it can't be that much worse

>>2030634
Oh okay.
I suppose I'll be needing those shapes. Where can I find beginner stuff on gesture drawing that covers this subject?

>watching massive black dvd about gesture
>suddenly it makes sense

Any other things I should know about that potentially wastes my time? I feel like I've been lied to...oh right I'm on /ic/.

>>2030643

As far as i have heard, a bad case of carpal tunell or tennis elbow can literally put your hand out of comission.

It takes nearly no time to stretch and wiggle your arms every now and then when drawing and you prevent a lot of troubles down the line, so why not do it, thats how i think about it.

And i once got slight symptoms thanks to excessive gaming and drawing aat the same time, and boy even the mildest case sucks.

>>2030650
Oh it sounds worse than just headaches and toothache then, alright I'll probably stretch and do all that every now and then from now on. Assuming I can remember it. I wasn't overly worried because it's not in the wrist but rather near the elbow and in the palm around the thumb, but better be on the safe side.

>>2030645
Does anyone here know?

Drawing digital is supposed to be faster, no?
why it takes me five hours to do something I could in one hour at best with a pencil? holy shit, and its years that I use it.
the fucking lines are all squigly
the tablet is too small
I have to redraw every curve at least ten times before its close to what I want
fuck

>>2030688
Tablets are for painting. Interactive touch displays are for drawing and painting.

>>2030693
>Interactive touch displays
and what the fuck is this

>>2030696
A tablet with a monitor on it. So Cintiq, Surface Pro, and so on.

>>2030701
meaning I should just go back on fucking paper.

>>2030714
Yeah nothing beats being able to save your thousands of trashy drawings in a plastic bin to look back at than paper. It would be retarded to save every exercise digitally.

>picks a shitty reference picture
>study turning out okay
>progress stops because ref is too small
I hate this.

>>2030718
implying the drawings I'll do on paper would be trash. there's no point in having digital commodities if drawing is a pain the result is bount to suck 80% of times
dickface

>>2030821
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpK3U4rTqHo

so i took the advice of some anons in the previous thread and tried to improve what i had, i think it looks better than it did but still pretty bad, any advice would be appreciated

>>2030858
old pic for reference

>>2030858
>>2030861
look at what you have, then look at an actual human profile. and look again, then read loomis/bridgeman. then look again. in a week you'll thank me

>>2030858
>>2030861
lol

my last study turned out shit so moving on

>>2030858
STICKY
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>>2030858
>>2030861
In my restless dreams, I see that town... Silent Hill

Okay advice me on this: I spent too much time on something and I can't tell anymore what's wrong from what's not. how do I resolve this

>>2030862
Thanks for the advice
>>2030876
>>2030897
>>2030914
I know it looks like shit, but if you aren't going to be helpful then don't bother saying anything

I'm looking at the examples, but it feels like a "draw the rest of the fucking owl" deal when it comes to turning the circles into cheeks, ears, nose, and mouth. I don't understand how to go from a circle to a decent looking facial feature. Am I too retarded to learn how to draw?

>>2030934
C'mon we're just joking, don't be like that

>>2030936
>Am I too retarded to learn how to draw?
Yes and here is why:
1. You hold your pencil wrong
2. You don't do enough gestures
3. You're too self conscious when drawing

>>2030936
fun with a pencil is trash.

>>2030936
Loomis is really awful at explaining a lot of things I find, but you just gotta try really. No one's expecting you to draw anything amazing anytime soon, or so I hope at least. It'll come in due time, though you might also want to look at other sources as well. You don't have to stick strictly with FWAP, I certainly didn't because I hated the book.

>>2030950
You're trash, FWAP is legit. Pussy nigga.

>>2030936
It's very hard to resist the urge to just post "yes, you're too retarded to learn how to draw" but there's nothing to gain for anyone in doing that.

To me it seems like you're somehow not taking in what you're reading. Are you dyslexic or have any learning disabilities?

Look and read carefully at how Loomis constructs his heads and try to imitate the process as closely as possible. Note how he draws everything in step 1-3 softly and lightly, then strokes the lines he actually wants to use in step 4. Right now you're drawing everything heavily which makes the end result a cluttered mess.

>>2030861
Don't bother with color now. Use a single pencil.
And try some sessions of this: http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/face-expression-practice/

That's my advice, but since I'm a beginner, that's maybe a shitty advice.

Here we are with lion2.jpg

Today we did an upside down value study using an old projector and going from very blurry to still kinda blurry. Also the first time using charcoal ever. Still can't believe I didn't recognize it as a face (Which is why there are inconsistencies and an unrefined side of the picture, it never got clear enough to detail that.)

>>2030962
I find it very difficult to draw lightly. I'm trying right now but my hand shakes so much that every single line is wobbly or improperly places. If this is something that's going to always hold me back, I should kiss my dreams of going into graphic design goodbye.

If I do that, my life will have no goals, again. If I didn't swear off weed, I'd be getting baked right now. I don't know what to do with myself. I'm such a waste of a human.

>>2030994
Keep at it, my hands are shaky as fuck too, but I'm getting somewhere. But then again I'm also using a tablet.

>>2030994
How to Hold and Control Your Pencil (Stan Prokopenko) - http://youtu.be/pMC0Cx3Uk84?t=50s

Dynamic Sketching I (Peter Han) - http://youtu.be/wgDNDOKnArk

Dynamic Sketching II (Peter Han) - http://youtu.be/YFVggG7ajXM

not sure where to post, but i want to improve my art

anyone know of similar things done in the past i can read about?

I'm a complete beginner, but I've run into this problem where I can envision what I want, how to draw it, but can't get it on the canvas? Is this a common problem? I like the feel of it though

>>2031017
is this loss?
/v/ is that you?

>>2031017
Please tell me that is not menstrual blood...

>>2031009
>http://youtu.be/pMC0Cx3Uk84?t=50s
Holy Jesus, I never thought to hold a pencil this way before. I just drew a circle and it's way more circular than even my best circle using my wrist. My fingers are cramped as fuck though from just a few moments, is that normal?

>>2031021


>>2031024
no, it's from my lips, i gave the first one some kisses also

>>2031009
not him, but can you use your forearm, or is that discouraged?

>>2031045
in the end it's up to you, there are definitely professional artists who only draw with their wrists and still make it work. The reason people strongly recommend drawing with your shoulder is because it offers a greater area of control (as illustrated here) and more consistency as well as reduces the risk of you ending up with carpal tunnel syndrome.

Anything I should stop doing before it becomes a habit/general tips?

sorry for the shitty scan

>>2031017
Tips on improving art

Step 1 -
Do not bleed on the paper

your art has now been improved.

>>2031165
Check out Loomis' Fun with a Pencil.
I think working more on basic shapes and how they make up a face will help.

>>2031180
i'm pretty much using loomis' divided ball and plane method. I haven't masted absolutely every angle but I would like to think I've got the gist of most of the forward facing ones. Not perfect but it's getting there.

>>2031165
Stop using lined paper, start looking into perspective and draughtsmanship, keep your linework clean and just keep on drawing

>>2030936
don't waste your time with loomis. loomis's books are garbage and that book especially is a waste of time. generally speaking, loomis's methods of constructing realistic heads and figures are overly complex and mechanical to a point of absurdity. it's worth reading and trying his approach to creating the head and figure when you have more skill and experience as an artist, but only to take away any potentially useful ideas you can gather from it.

if you want to get better at drawing the human figure, get Figure Drawing Design and Invention by Michael Hampton. it's an amazingly good book covering the core elements of studying and drawing the figure. you'll learn a lot of the concepts and processes you would learn in a really good figure drawing course. i can't speak for the value of vilppu as i've yet to go through his stuff, but loomis is only really interesting if you want to see how a draftsman rather than an artist approaches figure drawing. i'd recommend not following loomis's process

>>2031189
is there a specific reason not to use lined paper? I'm just using what's available to me and I can't find my old sketchbook from high school.

>>2031191
lined paper is too smooth to really draw with using anything besides cheap ballpoint pens. it's alright for quick practice stuff if it's all you have, but you should get some paper actually suited for drawing. printer paper is a step up, at least. really you should bite the bullet and buy a few newsprint sketchbooks and a couple white paper sketchbooks. newsprint is awesome cause it doesn't cost so you can draw however big and however much you want without caring about the expense of the paper you're burning through. it isn't really suitable for ink, though

>>2030994
There are auto correcting programs for that, gives you straight as fuck lines.

I lazy nezumi to draw a picture of my friends mother with my ass and it came out alright.

Of topic but has anyone started to get a twitch in one of their eyes?

I spend almost everyday looking at a screen and was wondering if eye-strain was common with people here?

>>2031207
Yeah I have this recent one for 2 weeks already, it's starting to piss me off. But they should go away eventually

>>2031199
ah, fair enough.

>>2031207
Nope, well I only started drawing recently but ever since late elementary school I've been on the computer pretty much everyday. I have glasses though but from before I had a computer. Maybe take small breaks like going to get something to eat or if your room is dim, find a way to make it brighter like using a brighter lightbulb.

>>2030548
i tried drawing with the op's pic colour palette but i didn't make anything cool. it was fun though

here's what i drew anyway

i literally haven't tried to draw or paint anything seriously since i left high school in 2010 and i'm so rusty

Drawn using Loomis' cut ball technique.

Critique.

>>2031041

Hah, i remember someone on 420 chan was drawing with blood once as well, he hit his knee in the bed. Blood paintings look like shit(blood turns brown) and are a magnet for diseases tough. So paint using anything but that.

>>2031490
there's an actual who paints with blood, a nord if i recall.

you can stop it from going brown. it also can go quite a nice brown in certain circumstances, it's just rust after all.

>>2031493

To be fair, its rust and a shitton of organic leftovers that bacteria thrievs upon. So if you paint with it you better seal it really good.

>>2031262
May I suggest that you don't draw every line you think you see
Like when you drawing the eye you don't have to complete the whole outline of the eye, only draw in at a certain value not the features

Some wobbly as fuck freehand perspective drawing. God my lines are bad. Took about 30 min.
Whats the biggest problem should focus on?

>>2031526
Visually i like it, its a neat design, but a few lines still dont follow the perspective.

>>2031528
Thanks. I messed up a lot with the panels on top of the fuselage, the thing that bothers me is that i actually know better but i just dont pay enough attention where my lines are going.

>>2031526
thats what jumped out at me. its really not that off though. was this inspired by the d-5 mantis from the old republic? some of the elements on there are literally exactly the same.

also, theres no fucking way that thing is going to be able to maintain a stable depth underwater unless theres some type of propulsion underneath to offset the fact that the top is is designed in a way that it will take a nose dive to cthulhu land. and the side wings probably arent helping it glide through the water any easier either.

all that aside its a neat design

>>2031561

>>2031257
really nice! we used to have these color palette challange threads quite often back in the day

>>2030896
patterned fabric makes me mad

>>2031179
that won't help

How do I get clean lines like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkyEJyrm_I4#t=53

How to keep drawing? I started learning the whole head construction and got the rough outline of a head down and now I stopped and whenever I keep trying to continue I don't get anywhere

>>2030573
You're not that far off. Keep at it.

>>2031687
>clean lines

Way to show a bad example.
Regardless, look up Peter Han's exercise and draw straight lines, curves, and circles all day for a good 30 minutes to an hour a day. Some people spend more time on it.

>>2031702
Why did you get into drawing in the first place?

>>2031726
I just want to draw for fun and do requests for people on various boards.

>>2031735
not the guy but I agree with him and even if you want to draw for fun you should do the exercises anyways.

Just cause you want to do something for fun doesn't mean you have to be shit at it. If you want good lines, you have to practice

>>2031735
Then draw for fun, find stuff you wanna draw but can't, learn how to draw that, rejoice, rinse, repeat.

>>2031737
Basically this.
Draw said character / object. If it's giving you a difficult time, try to figure out how to draw it. There's a 100% chance there's a book to ease you into the experience in drawing said character or object.

But be-careful, as a beginner you may have to take more steps back than expected in order to get an idea of how to draw said thing.

a friend gave me a bunch of his old markers but ive never used markers before

how do i colour??

>>2031736
Yeah that's why I'm asking how I keep making myself practice, I don't want to just halfass something.

>>2031737
Yeah, I guess that's the way to go. I'm having this weird problem where I know what I wanna draw, and I can more or less see how I should, but I can't put it on the canvas. But I think I'll try regardless.

>>2031747
you just do it.
get a sketch pad and do the Peter Han Dynamic Sketching line exercises while listening to an album or something.

30 minutes isn't that long when you think about how much time a person spends just sitting around doing nothing on their computer

>>2031747
Sounds like you're just confused on how to approach drawing. Do you have any of your work up for display? If so, post it.

>>2031749
Alright I'll do that, thanks.

>>2031751
Nah not really, I haven't done much besides doing Loomis' things and I've more or less just started to look at foreshortening and proportions

I've sometimes been told that tracing and copying can be a good idea to learn how someone who's better than yourself does things, is there much basis in reality in that?

>>2031802
yep. plus experimentation is useful by itself, so if you want to know if somethings useful set aside an afternoon to check it out yourself. even if it doesn't work it won't be a waste of time.

>>2031809
Alright thanks man

>>2031726
No, I mean the brush settings.

>>2031873
>Pick generic pre-set brush
>Create new page around 3000 x 2000
>Draw

It's not complicated. In terms of software, they're not doing anything out of the ordinary.

>>2031893
Then I don't understand why my lines are so inconsistent. I guess I should draw somewhat differently than with the pencil but I really don't get how

>>2031929
Most people I work with normally start their canvas around 3000 x 2500 (or larger) and then they submit their work, they'll down size it a good 70%.

When you start a new file, what's the size you work under?

>>2031932
That was 4000x2800 or something like that, but I used 700x900 until I discovered that pixelation is bad

>>2031936
Strange, I'm unsure how the pixelation can occur. We normally use Photoshop CS5 (6 for animation) when working, so it's odd to see something like this happen.

Unfortunately, I don't have an answer as to why it's coming out like this.

>>2031929
Check your brush settings, make sure you don't have a bunch of unnecessary shit on, and drag spacing all the way down to 0. Do your lines lag behind your stylus at all?

>>2031939
Pixelation apart, I need to fix this stuff.
maybe the problem is Sai paint tool? or the tablet sensitivity settings?
>>2031947
will try

>>2031949
Oh! Here, look through this.

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php/238143-The-Shoelace-Stroke-Problem-Intuos-Test-to-see-if-you-have-it/page4

>>2031947
There's a bit of lag, but no idea how to put hand on spacing in this program

>>2031963
This is pretty interesting.

anybody got those disneys guy brushes please?

I have delayed so much as reading drawing on the right side of the brain for over two months. Has anybody else had to deal with this? Am I being insecure over the fact my stuff will look about as bad as it does right now because I haven't been properly practicing? Am I just procrastinating too hard?

How do I deal with finding what I draw absolutely cringeworthy? I tend to save it and then never look at it again

>>2032060
That book killed my beginner enthusiasm, it's obviously solid and something you must read but that womans long winded rants that repeat the same shit she's already said in between hidden excersises can get fucked.

Why hasn't anyone cut and pasted that shit into its own document yet?

>>2031746
sharpie in pooper

>multiple studies in a row turning out looking like shit
i just wanna get gud

I don't know. I had an hour to practice something and this came out. I'm not terribly disappointed but something feels off

>>2032102
The right side of her face (her left) is messed up. The edge aligns much more closely with her eye and the shape is more that of a smooth arch with a gentle indent around the orbit, yours is too angular.

Reading up Erik Gist's figure drawing. I'm trying to draw this model, but I'm not sure what type of shapes to put into this model.

I know there's various shapes that can work, but if possible, could someone make a shape out of this character to give me an idea?

>>2032027
The eyes are who completely different shapes and the alignment of his features are skewed. Do you flip your work (look at it in reverse)? You should try doing so. It can really help with spotting alignment issues.

>>2032143
Circle, square, cylinders.

>>2032150
I wouldn't know where to put the shapes.

>>2032148
Not saying he done good but aren't people assymetric?

>>2032174

>>2032177
They certainly are, but there's a certain level of symmetry we all have. When that symmetry is broken, it's very noticeable and it becomes more like distorted anatomy.

I made guidelines in this accoring to the placement and orientation of the nose. I based this off the assumption this is a full-on view since the chin is centered on the neck and there's no obvious turn indicated by the shape of the head. You can see that one eye is much further from the center line than the other. The chin is off center, the nose is a little skewed. And so on.

>>2032143
I'm having a problem relating perspective drawing to figure drawing, and I guess this picture illustrates it the best. Like, I know that all shapes should sort of conform to a particular vanishing point, but I'm observing the rib cage and pelvis land marks and they don't match up, as in I'd imagine they'd move towards the same vanishing point, but to me it doesn't look that way. Maybe I just can't see it, could someone maybe illustrate how to see it?

>>2032186
>vertical centerline when the subject is off-kilter
nigga what the fuck are you doing?

>>2032211
hehehe i feel like this anon is one of those ones who will dig himself a deeper and deeper hole trying to defend his off-hand crit, let's wait and see.

>>2032209
Only parallel lines in space converge to the same vanishing point...

>>2032222
shit, I'm confused now. In one of loomis's books, he draws his mannequins to a vanishing point. Is gesture generally not done this way?

>>2032230
That works when all the parts of the figure are parallel in space, such that they would have one vanishing point. In the above image, the figure is twisted so the lines aren't parallel.
And no, you don't usually construct a figure with all the perspective stuff, you only make rough guidelines, however you can make a bounding box etc.

>>2032209
Damn, it's the other way around for me. I have no idea what shapes goes where.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaS1GuzvWIs

sycra stream...

>>2032255
HAHA, NICE BRO! #bothholes

>>2030632
or just start your journey with marihuana, trust me

>>2032272

My lord sycra is so bad.

>>2032295
He's a very charismatic teacher though.

>>2032295
It is kinda sad

>>2032295
Why do you say that?

how do you capture distance in a landscape (like pic related)? i could really use some general tips.

>>2032299
Things get lighter and more desaturated at extreme distance, as easily seen in that photo.

>>2032272
>now he is talking about left brain right brain betty edwards pseudo science
closed stream

>>2032272
Who is this guy exactly and he's teaching draw things if he's so bad?

>>2032186
Guys cant you see that its not a PERFECT front view? His head is obviously lightly tilted and turned.
:)
my shit nao - MADE WITH A MOUSE fiery/electro ghosty thing that can use, as seen on the picture, an armor to have a body adequate to our planet we live on. Sideview like that is on purpose, kinda metroid style (dem niggaassbig arms), also, his face, out of ash, is closest to be finished. First time using actual colours and yeah... pixlr is shit but still better than paint. Should I try ps or something?

PS: Im a 22yo with no job, technically a cook. Practically Ill start interior repairs in some kind of old school. It's not an /adv but still Im curious about your opinions. Is it worth a try?

>>2032393
Do you consider yourself a strong person?

>>2032397
Well few days ago I got out of depression whivh started literally 5 years ago and dont actually know a "new" myself. Ill consider myself as a strong but sensitive. 4/10 when we're talking about physical strenght - im only 65kg's :( atm. 9/10 mentally.

>>2032406
>strong but sensitive
>9/10 mentally
one of these things is not like the others

>>2032406
Well then I'll say that you should definitely go to an artschool

>>2032407
sensitive about the world, not myself.

>>2032410
No one should go to an art school.

They're expensive, have high suicide and dropout rates, and prepare you in an exciting career in the field of not getting a job because the art field has too many people in it.

>>2032414
shhh...

>>2032414
I know about the irony in his words. Studying
to end up making a gaming stuff. I always thought that studying is for artists, not for people that want to draw/paint better, especially digitally.

started with that crap saiyan-link guy btw

>>2032414
suicide rate, like that thing would ever concern me. Your ego is way above your guts dude

i drew this today, what do u think

oops forgot the picture

>>2032432

>>2032435
I like it

>>2032414
Some online courses are actually really good.
Art schools/classes on the other hand... can't say for sure. You're better off going to independent art places or small art groups that pay sessions per week.

Barely found the time tonight. But here we are.
I really don't know how to shade... I will try to find goods exemples tomorow.

>>2032435
drew what?

>>2032410
the funny part is in your head, only there, keep it in secret cuz noone cares about your lack of confidence that you're showing here

What's a good way to practice drawing on a tablet? I feel a weird disconnect when my drawings are a on a screen and not where I physically drew them.

>>2032393
Okay, so no words of critics about the unfinished job because it doesnt look like it was made by the beginner as I suppose? Or you're too busy joking about conceiving me to study in the art school or what?

My question was clear. Is buyng a PS worth it for me?

>>2032461
Just practice. It takes a while to get used to it, but once you do it's great.

That, or get a Cintiq/Surface/TabletPC

>>2032461
There's no better practice than actually drawing with your tablet. After a few large paintings, it gets easier.

>>2032467
Torrent photoshop unless you go professional.

>>2032474
yeah I forgot about being a thief. My bad. Ill invest in a tablet instead like everyone else does. Forgot about it and my narcistic nature (you could think like that). Have a good day and sorry for wanting some attention related with said critic/help or shittalk

>>2032299
>>2032300
thanks! got anything more indepth?

>>2032514
Not really, no. Just pay careful attention to scale, you don't want a 6-foot person looking like they're 10 feet away when they're actually 10,000.

>>2032514
Things in the distance are not the same as something close scaled down

>>2032514
>>2032299

When drawing things, be sure to made it look more "faded" to create distance.

Left side = bad
Right side = good

>>2032537
Here's an example simplifying the idea.

>>2032537
oh boy.

When drawing a cube, try drawing 2 squares, and then connect the lines!

>>2032540
Showing an example of depth, not perspective.

>>2032551
Showing an example of obliviousness, not good-natured sarcasm.

>>2031207
That could be due to sleep deprivation. If that's the case just sleep well for a couple days

Trying to get better at portraits, so I tried my hand at doing a digital portrait (my very first!). I don't really feel like I got the values down very well though, any tips?

>>2032211
read.

>>2032689
Yeah, I read it, it doesn't make you any less retarded.

>>2032681
draw the girl how she actually looks

>>2032211
it's showing the relation of the features like the eyes n shit in relation to the nose dude

>>2032211

it's showing the relation of the features like the eyes n shit in relation to the nose dude, not the orientation of the head. it's showing how skewed the features are from one another.

>>2032681
You are symbol drawing chink eyes. Her eyeliner is winged out at a slant but her eyes really aren't slanted, per say.

If you made the eyes less slanted, rounded out the left side of the face, and made the ear less visible, it'd look better.

Her face is also rounder, there is little definition between the jaw and the chin. It is a very round shape, your drawing is more chiseled.

>>2032299
>>2032537
>>2032539
>>2032514
>>2032300
it's called atmospheric perspective.

Contribootin with a study i did

>>2032853
ref

>>2032854
mm gross.

>>2032681
looks like you used the girl for inspiration rather than for reference.

>>2032090
focus on understanding the material, breaking things down, exploring how things work and interrelationships between things like hue/sat shifts, materials/texture, value, etc.

Focusing too much on just getting good is a toxic mindset, focus on understanding, exploring, and applying. Worry more about progressing than the end result, you will get there faster.

>>2032299
Everyone is giving some shitty advice, so I will give some shitty advice. Lighter and desaturated is a general trend, but that's like the most generic case and doesn't cover all cases. Basically, everything approaches the sky color because of the atmosphere, which can be more than just blue. So if the sky is burning red/yellow, obviously the subjects aren't going to fade into a desaturated or lighter plane.

Shrink the value and color range, atmospheric overlay causes both to compress because they become drawn towards the atmosphere color. You can see that in the photo too, because the colors in the buildings are nowhere near the color range of the foreground with the dog/cliff. Things tend to go out of focus depending on the focal point, so if the distance is the focus, make things blurrier as they get closer, and vice versa.

There's a hole shit ton of other, subtler details but that's more down the line I think. Perspective is a more fundamental, construction focus that absolutely must be done correctly to achieve depth as well. Keeping the above in mind without that will still look flat and shitty, like a construction paper collage.

>>2032299
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bieQn0L9ZaI

http://raguzachan.deviantart.com/

literally picked up a pencil for the first time about 2 days ago

Need help, Recommendations for a (preferably cheap) camera/scanner to post drawings here.

Thanks in advanced.

>>2030548
did a study/experiment with colors in OP pic.
was an interesting piece to work on.

>>2032983
If you can get past all the shit hes talking, he has some points about foreshortening.

>>2033022
Use your phone

>>2033092
No internet or picture quality on my phone.

>>2030548
any books on perspective? bc i just started on architecture

>>2033097
usb cable and the picture quality depends on the user.

>>2033103
Ill try it.

I'm trying to construct a simple face looking upwards (and a bit to a side) based on a ball that's under horizon (perspective) line.

I don't know how to tilt the face correctly, like bottom of nose should be invisible because it's under eye level but it should be pointing a bit upwards because head is looking up.

How to draw that?

>>2033036
Juicy!

Am I holding my pencil correctly? Sorry for phone quality.

>>2033228
You should hold the pen however you feel comfortable with, i hold it a little further back most of the time. And don't forget its more about how you move your arm then how you hold the pen.
Try these exercises, they are better for special understanding.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHefdroQdDo

this is so fucking bad jesus christ
atleast I kind of got out of my comfort zone though

pls help

>>2032440
It looks like a dog with a lions head

Got the arms and hair, Now i need to know about hands and fingers now, Help, im close to being done.

>>2033305
Looks like shes holding the "ball" with her right hand. If that is what shes doing, then the hand is drawn as a left hand.
The foot is kinda out of perspective as well as the anatomy of the right leg (you dont normally bend the leg all the way back).

Am I feeling it now?

>>2033202
Anyone?

>>2033365
Are you?

>>2030548
how do i get gut at simplyfying hair?
also, is using transparent reference to check correct proportions ok when studying? (kinda like tracing, but without actual tracing, just using this every now and then)

>>2033202
Don't know if this helps, all i got.

>>2033373
AM I?

>>2033381
well your hatching technique sucks ass for starters. looks sloppy.

>>2033409
i know it pleases old man for money, im still beginner tho
care to recommend me some taching masters/tutorials to study? all i know is Morandi

>>2033305
there seems to be a lot of disportionate bits but the icing on the cake has to be that hand, lol

>>2033339
Finally got the shape of the head down, I've never been so depressed and uplifted at the same time

I need some help setting up a brush to do shadow studies. Right now it is blending with the previous shade of grey (heh) so I end up with a harder shadow in the middle. Is this how it's supposed to be or am I using a wrong setting?

>>2033305
Keep your left hand in a static position, close one of your eyes, and copy it. Repeat 200 times

>>2033365
Any advice on these?

>>2033202
No idea what the hell you're describing. This should cover most of the bases.

>>2033325
At least the head is ok then.

Here is the ref.

>>2033574
I WANNA SEE THAT LION GETTIN FUCKED BY A RHINO LOL

>>2033526
>>2033386
Thank you, I'm asking how to construct objects (I'm drawing a ball) that are tilted upwards in direction of the viewer while they're still under eye level (horizon line).

>>2033456
left is better, but really you should try to approach painting shadow and light somewhat more as if you were using real paint. turn up the opacity of your brush and use the color picker to apply values. pick in between values on the color picker to blend. so rather than adding shadow by picking black and trying to build up dark values using a low opacity brush, you'll place the values directly. the "build up shadow/light" technique usually makes things look muddy but more importantly it will totally ruin your pieces once you move into color.

i wish i had a link to better explain this but i can't remember where i really read about this sort of thing. this post at least talks about the importance of it in relation to working with color and i'd recommend trying out what they're describing so you can figure out why it's important. to really get interesting and pleasing color work, you'll need to know what's going on with the colors you're laying down in terms of warmth and saturation. when you're just building up shadows or light between two relatively different colors or values, you're going to lose control over saturation and warmth/coolness. you always need to build up transitions between values and colors yourself or you'll get really flat and murky looking colors

http://robscorner.tumblr.com/post/71192856883/hey-prikle-ive-been-having-some-trouble-with-the

>>2033581
Draw cuboids, not spheres

Just got back from my second life drawing session.

>>2033584
God this is such good advice, once I just started trying to casually draw cuboids rotated randomly in perspective all my drawing got so much better so quickly, just wish I'd known sooner.

>>2033586

> second life drawing session

...WHAT
How can you get to this level after just two life drawing sessions?

>>2033584
?
I have to draw a ball that's 'looking upwards' with stuff that sticks out of it. Something like the red box, but a sphere.

>>2033601
If you don't know how to rotate a box in perspective, it would appear that you haven't actually learned the fundamentals of perspective properly. So you need to pick up a book or text and learn it.
In your particular case, it's just 2 point perspective. It's the same as drawing horizontal 2 point and rotating the image 90°.

>>2033598
I'm not some sort of prodigy, I've been drawing from photos and textbooks in my free time for 5 months already.

>>2033612

Oh.
Ok, that makes a lot more sense.

>>2033583

yeah that does indeed make sense. I tried initially making shadows as if I was drawing with a real pencil, but that doesn't work in photoshop because as you can see, shadows add up.

Is there really no way to not make the PS brush add up? For black and white shadow studies it seems a bit counter intuitive to change the color instead of using pen pressure to do the work.

Still getting along with my lion trip.
Few days ago one of you sais me that I was simply thinking in 2D.
I think that I just figured how shitty it is getting.

Tomorrow is another lion

Critique and improvement suggestions welcome
>do your worst

>>2033764

sweet lord what in the world did that head ever do to you

>>2033764
Thigh is a bit thin, I cant bend my fingers like that, face is off. Other than that I dont know, Im a complete beginner

Hey /ic/ I was wondering if you could help me out

I recently got a tablet and decided I wanted to take drawing seriously, have no previous drawing experience other then some bored doodles I would draw here and there. So I was wondering if I could get some tips and advice on how to get started

Drew this a couple minutes ago it's my first time drawing a full body.

>>2033816
The sticky's a pretty good place to start.

>>2033816
That's a pretty good doodle for a complete beginner. it's not as flat as you'd expect from some just starting.

>>2031949
The different shades of black are caused by your density settings. Your pressure changes the density since the little box at the very bottom is checked next to density.

The squiggly lines might be because of your tablet or your stabilizer is set too low. Then again, if you're lagging, then your stabilizer might be too high... Try changing the quality to 1 and see if that helps the lag.

>>2033824
no its pretty bad

Any thoughts on this? Trying to study some lighting and colour.

How does foreshortening work on a human figure? Any videos or books that can be recommended that goes depth into this subject?

>>2033900
It works the same way as any other object. It's just perspective. So perspective is what one would have to study.

>>2033598
>this level
lol

>>2033451
We will make it man.

>>2033586
You are focusing on outlines a lot. Be careful with that.

>>2033604
What should I read to review and to learn perspective?

>>2034154
What do you mean exactly?

>>2034091
This is a beginner thread, what do expect?

uh how am I doing so far

>>2034358
Alright, id say. The eyes look kinda flat.

>>2034361
yeah I thought so
how do I fix it? I can see the simple shapes like the round jaw, but I have trouble with the eyes
this goes for every time I draw from ref

>>2034368
also I tried this but it still didn't click to me
sorry, I'm very retarded can someone spoonfeed/redline me?

>>2034368

>>2034358
lips look too mature and the nose imo is a bit too big

>>2034358
If you're copying the picture then you're not doing very well but if you're just using it as a reference then you're doing okay

>>2034418
I want to draw anime in the future
should I be able to copy or can I ref?

fixed a few things but done for the day
getting myself to practice longer which is kind of good

>>2034425
you should be able to do everything

Hi there, I've recently been taking live model drawing classes. And our last sketch session featured cosplayers dressed as mortal kombat characters.

It was kind of tough for me, since we only had a few minutes to draw the poses.

These were some of my best out of all the sketches we did that day. Whats a good way to draw if you only have a few minutes per pose?

I think i focus too much on the details. Also, since these sketch sessions work with themes. Would it be wierd if I asked the host about future theme suggestions?

Like asking if we could draw robots sometime, or plump nude models. I might come off as wierd asking to draw curvy girls, but I really want to improve on drawing the female body.

>>2034425
Learning to copy is a pretty necessary first step to being a good artist. It basically teaches you how to see shapes and colors for what they actually are instead of what your brain naturally compresses and approximates them to be. Just make sure you don't get stuck on the copying stage once you're good at it.

Hey, so I am trying to learn the very basic shapes of the human anatomy. What do you think about this? Any errors that you notice?

>>2034437

I think you need to avoid symbol drawing. The feet, arms and hands all indicate you're drawing from what you know, and not from what you see.
Examine Keys to Drawing or Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, then try again.

>>2034161

>>2033870
>saying something is bad in a beginner's thread
>being this pathetic

>>2034471

Hmm I thought i was drawing what I saw, cause we all just drew poses the cosplayers were holding.

Plus feet and hands I still need to work on, so i wouldn't say I'm drawing what I know.

Guess I will check out those books you recommended.

How do I start FEELING it?

When it comes to bringing up advice, I don't think I've ever recall anyone talk about the Reilly Method. Is there something wrong with that method? Or is it just not known.

>>2030672
I'm a noob like you, but check Proko's videos on gesture on youtube

>>2032182
Did you use models for any of these?

>>2034088
I like it

>>2034534
Id' say exaggerate the motions more, they arent very fun to look at

>>2034569
Yeah, I guess I get hanged up on proportions and forget about the motion.

>>2034554
Proko's gestures are retarded and misleading, don't watch them. Watch Glenn Vilppu's gestures instead and read either his Drawing Manual or Hampton's Figure Drawing - Design and Invention

>>2034574
I'm neither of those, but how are they retarded and misleading?

Finished with muh line art. Still having trouble getting super clean lines like some of you but whatever. Any blatantly obvious problems i might not have seen ?

>>2034576
His gestures are too structural for a beginner to copy and his videos don't emphasize the flow of or "feeling" the gesture enough. Vilppu gestures make the rhythm of a pose a lot more apparent and is a better way for beginners to teach themselves to find the gesture.

>>2034588
Ah that makes sense, thank you.

>>2034593
I think he's a good teacher otherwise and has lots of good videos, it's only really his gesture vids that are bad. The rest of the figure drawing playlist is alright.

>>2034594
That's good to know, I've been looking at his videos a lot and I thought it'd all been a waste for a second, something about reading art books is just making me irritable.

>>2034606
Arm on the left is too fat. Pay attention to the angle of the arm's outter edge to the bottom of the frame.

This is better I think but hell fur is meh

>>2034619
Ok, one day I will learn how to use a scanner.

>>2034619
this is a really nice drawing, but a tip: good fur is all about contour and silhouette. You don't have to draw every individual strand as long as you nail the spots where it matters.

>>2034580
The face is pretty borked. Dont have my tablet but did some quick manips to fix the face a bit.

>>2034455
Looks nice. The ribs seem a little over-defined.

>>2034609
Good catch. Thanks.

>>2033036
that is a very strange shadow on the nose. Too flat, doesn't have that curve near the eyeline, just straight into the forehead.

>>2034626
/u/Uncomfortable?

if i'm starting off on drawing bodies, should i just copy poses and pictures and study how they work?

Loomis just tells you to draw random body types

slowly learning how to into eyes, anything I should have done here that I didn't? Not going for realism, but not full on animu either.

>>2034864
http://reference.sketchdaily.net/imageViewer#

http://www.quickposes.com/

>>2034869
yeah i know about em

just wondering if it's the next step or not after drawing a hundred or so heads

>>2034740
no, but I just like his tutorials. some pretty good stuff in there

>>2034869
the eye looks good, man. Simple, but good for what it is.

I'd like to see what you're doing with open ones

>>2034905
This is the only other one I've done recently.

>>2034922
that looks real good. Feels very Comic bookey. and that sounds like that's what you're going for. So I dig it!

Kinda reminds me of J Scott Campbell but I may be crazy.

>>2034926
Thanks, do you see anything glaringly wrong with them?

>>2034929
you're chickescratching, but that's about it.

also keep the iris circular, yours is an oval.

>>2034932
Gotcha, thanks

The more I work on this, the more I suspect something is fundamentally wrong with it. I feel like I'm missing the glaringly obvious and I don't want to work any further on it until I fix it.

>>2034934

How'd I do?

Hampton, week two.

Feel like I'm not improving at all, but I guess I'll just power through.

>>2034566
Thanks

>>2034088
that's really cute. super into it.

5 min poses.

NEW THREAD

>>2035213

>>2035213

>>2035213

my little sister called me yesterday saying she's going to make a scrapbook for grandma, and she wants me to draw a sketch of grandma with grandpa.

what are some things I should grind on the most? I want this from imagination but I never drew anything in realism in imagination before.
want this to be my best work yet