/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Hitler was pretty cool so I'm fine with that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnu5uW9No8g

I like Hitler so I'm okay with the comparison.

Such a great man.

>>2023443
>OP trying to insult 4chan fags by comparing them to Hitler.

the only reason I hate hitler is because he didn't finished the job.

>You will never have the honor of asking Hitler who was his waifu.

I am sure it would of been Miku.

I hope all these is just bait. If not, get some education guys.

>>2023525
But Hitler did nothing wrong.

>>2023521
Yeah he was an underachiever... can you imagine walking into a major art gallery and seeing something that is aesthetically pleasing, coherent and skillfully executed? That is where we would be, had Hitler pulled through.

>>2023525
>2015
>Still going to school for the good old ejewcation
good goy

You're such a sweetheart, OP. Thank you! We're all gonna make it!

I suddenly feel better about myself.

>>2023545

Thank you for the nice words OP.

>>2023525
I hope this is bait. If not, get some red pill, guy.

>>2023525
Sounds like you need to watch the Greatest Story Never Told.

Stalin's artwork was better.

Adolf gets shit on too much.

>>2023702
He was better than 90% of /ic/

>>2023702
His work wasn't too bad. He had potential.

>>2023697
stalin didn't draw that, he just scribbled the text next to it

Hitler didn't stress the fundamentals, he stressed photorealism which was dying anyway due to cameras and art that examined life in more creative ways like expressionism. Hitler had no creativity So he was a shit artist. Once you learn how to draw photorealistic subjects there is really no were else to go which is boring. So nice try /ic/ but I strive to do more than just portraits of my family members.

>>2023805
Photorealism didn't exist until the 1960s with artists like Richard Estes and Chuck Close.

>>2023821
Yeah but the influence of the photograph on art can be traced back into the late 19th century. You know what he means.

>>2023805
> Once you learn how to draw photorealistic subjects there is really no were else to go which is boring.

You make it seem as though knowing how to render realistically only limits you to being able to draw only real things we see.
>confirmed for having zero imagination

>So nice try /ic/ but I strive to do more than just portraits of my family members.
Again, confirmed for having zero imagination and not wanting to catch the subtleties of the head so you can inject it into your imaginative works.

>Hitler didn't stress the fundamentals, he stressed photorealism
What? fundamentals in art and photorealism go hand in hand. The better knowledge of the fundamentals you have, the more realism you can inject in your work. At some point you can choose to stylize at the extent of photorealism.

> art that examined life in more creative ways like expressionism
Not gonna bother with this dumbass statement. Take your gay ass expressionism some where else.

>>2023443
Adolf hitler was a great person the holocaust is made up by scamming jews. Modern art is degenerate and sponsored/created by scamming jews.

Hitler and ic are right.

>>2023825
I do know what he means, but that won't stop me from correcting him so that he doesn't use the term incorrectly in the future. photorealism has a particular meaning, art that is made to look like a photograph, and that doesn't come until postmodernism. Up until then photos were just used as references to achieve regular ol' realism.

>>2023837
I'm not saying knowing how to draw realisticly limits you, but that was the only style hitler pushed.

Fundamentals go hand in hand with everything, it is the bases of all art, whether it's learned and done intentionally or self taught and done accidentally. Hitler didn't stress that, he stressed a style, one way of doing art that he deemed better than all the others which was only enterpreting subjects in their literal form.

Also, if anyone was unsure you had no idea what you are talking about, with that expressionism comment, you just confirmed it

>>2023851
>Fundamentals

>>2023857
what he means are the basic elements of art- color, form, composition, line- all abstract in nature, regardless of whether they're applied to representational or nonrepresentational art, realism or abstraction. Good realism, good expressionism, and good abstraction all contain and control these elemental characteristic of art, from Sargent to Corinth to Kandinsky and beyond.

>>2023443
Could argue more people know of hitler than any other artist, smart guy

>>2023973
not as an artist. ask people on the street to describe any artwork hitler made, ever.

>>2023973
>smart guy
>invades Russia

>>2023772
>his work wasn't too bad.
You haven't seen the warped perspective and sloppy composition in his landscapes, have you?

>>2023702
There are a lot of things really wrong about that figure. The gesture is alright and it conveys appropriate emotion, but the forms and anatomy are painfully bad in places.

>>2023995
He didn't have much of a choice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6o84NU9Ees

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVqxoA52kjI

http://rt.com/news/stalin-letter-sothebys-auction/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_offensive_plans_controversy#Support

>>2024469
>"show your merc_wip faggot." -Hitler 1936

>>2024464
I've seen his paintings. I still think his work was okay.

>>2024622
Yeah, probably the kind of person that could use a formal art education amirite, lol.

>>2024464

>Hitler sucks

Say what you will but he was basically a kid on /ic/ before /ic/ existed, just a hobbyist in the pre-internet age that wanted to go to school and take his art to the highest level possible with help from the instructors there. What happened instead was that people like that creepy fuck Egon Schiele, his era's crystals1986.deviantart.com got a free pass whereas Hitler, despite his sincerity in his artistic pursuits, was denied even the opportunity to realize them because he wasn't "edgy" enough or have the right connections.

>>2024637
I feel kind of sad about Hitler now...

>>2024646
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdHTnpgpLDc

>>2024637
those artists are all much better than him.

You all have such a surface level understanding of art and composition. It doesn't look like a pretty-fied photo, it must not be good.
I am not saying that observational drawing or sketching with realism in mind are bad things, but they are TOOLS. Tools in art are meant to be used to achieve MEANING. All Hitler uses his pieces to do is glorify things he likes and ignore things he doesn't: there's hardly any critical analysis of the subject.

>>2024672
I don't know when the others made those paintings, but I'm guessing they were when or after they attended the school and got taught. So it's not a completely fair comparison.

>>2024637
>tfw hitler was better than you are now

>>2024672
Typical Jewish perspective on art.
Funny how the Old Masters never did shit like that.

>>2024672
>those artists are all much better than him
In what way? If we compare Hitlers drawings and paintings to the drawings that the other people made, then Hitlers work shits all over them. I won't compare his paintings to the statues of the other guys because that wouldn't be a fair comparison.

>You all have such a surface level understanding of art and composition
And? I highly doubt anyone in here is trying to convey some life shattering meaning into their work. If you want meaning then go shove a dildo up your ass and take pictures of yourself and cry to the artistic breakthroughs you made in art.

> It doesn't look like a pretty-fied photo, it must not be good
If you're trying to visually represent something in your image and fail to accurately show it, then its not that good.

>I am not saying that observational drawing or sketching with realism in mind are bad things, but they are TOOLS. Tools in art are meant to be used to achieve MEANING.
What is this meaning you speak of? If I wanted to paint a flaming skeleton does it need some deep meaning?

>All Hitler uses his pieces to do is glorify things he likes and ignore things he doesn't
Well hello Mr.Autism, you just discovered that people like to paint and draw what they like to paint and draw. You wont see me glorifying furry, scat porn in my artwork because I have no interest in it. Whats wrong with that?

I would love to compare your work with that of Hitler, and be able to call yours a piece of shit.

>>2024689
>mfw hitler ruled a nation instead of sitting around jerking off to anime like I do now

>>2024695
>in what way?
the key phrase was critical analysis. You take up this mocking tone when I suggest you can judge a piece of art not by its surface level, initial appearance, but by the thought put into it. Purely aesthetic art can be nice but why stop at that? Why let art become a regressive thing, meant to coddle you with nice things to look at? I mean if that's how one spends their time I have no qualms with that but there is very little to read in these pictures.

>And?
At once I agree with you that 'artistic breakthroughs' are sort of overrated and involve the kind of thoughtlessness that characterizes, in particular, modernism. But your caricatured example speaks to a general trend of not engaging with an artist's work if it is in some way challenging, i.e., not aesthetically pleasing. I agree your dildo piece would be bullshit, but I feel like a lot of the things you might decry as bullshit actually aren't.

>If you're trying
I agree, but around here that is the only judge of quality it seems. I like pieces that show ambition of thought, not mindless repetitions of trends. There's never any discussion, for example, about why it seems all of the artists in this forum experiment on highly sexualized and Japanese-influenced female figures (this is 4chan, I suppose I answered my own question, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be any insight into that.) Either that or figures drawn in the classical tradition without any thought about what it means to declare the western tradition the greatest.

>Flaming Skeleton
What do you mean what is this meaning that I speak of? This is my point: you can put MORE into artwork. Yes you can make things that you just sort of like, that you enjoy as they are. You can also think your own thoughts and live your own life etc. But what if you used artwork as an analysis of your conditions, of your political or metaphysical reality? What if you looked more carefully at not just how you make, but really why you make

>>2024695
>>2024715
FUCKING AUTISM PLEASE GO

>>2024695
>>2024715
cont'd

or what your subject is?

>Mr. Autism
I agree that point was poorly put together. Essentially I was critiquing Hitler's work specifically based on how it exemplifies his philosophy. His work is highly didactic in its understanding of Germany during his time, and sort of mindlessly glorifies aspects of it and its progress. I'm saying his work doesn't really take a very deep look at Germany at the time, which goes along with his philosophy which really doesn't hold up when you look through it. His assumptions for his opinions and that make up the basis of his artwork are not really defensible or intelligent. His work is technically impressive, though, I never would have argued against that.

>compare your work to hitler
this isn't some masculine challenge calm down

>>2024716
oh boi you's mad bout this

>>2024637
>cherrypicking images
>still way more badass than hitler
muh realism

schiele could do what hitler could do, only better, and then he went and pioneered his own distinct style that influenced generations of artists.

>>2024694
not funny unless you know fuck-all about art history.

>>2024694

>>2024759
>>2024767
Are you retarded? This is still highly representational work. Apparently it must be very hard to understand that there is a difference in meaning between representational and photorealistic. Schiele is not like Goya you huge imbecile.

>>2024777
schiele is representational you ignorant twat

>>2024777
>implying any of the old masters or modern avant garde were photorealists
wut

as funny as it is, Hitler's story is motivating as fuck.

>>2024785
the story of a failed artist who remained an artistic failure?

>>2024780
No, the guy claimed that Hitler aimed to or did make images that look like "pretty-fied photos" which is a really dumb claim. Hitler just made images that are visually and aesthetically appealing, unlike >>2024778 which just looks like something a mentally ill chimpanzee made while taking a shit

>>2024672
> but they are TOOLS
idk man, right now there are a buttload of people out there trying to reach something which you described as mere tools.
I wanna be able to draw that stuff one day, Realism, you know? Wouldn't really call that a tool when you can't even use it.

>>2024788
I'm sorry that the early 20th century is still too avant garde for you. deal with it.

>>2024788
yeah, here's some more "aesthetically appealing" art for you by your boy adolf

>>2024787
are you mocking failures?

>>2024795

>>2024795
maybe

>>2024798
Looks like a cartoon storyboard or something, kind of cool. Would follow blog/10.

>>2024793
Central Europe was already extremely Jewified by then, no shit, which is the whole reason Hitler wrote Mein Kampf. If you were to go to Berlin, Frankfurt and Vienna then, it was degeneracy central, with Jews promoting Jazz, avant-garde, race-mixing, gay rights, transsexualism etc. If you think anybody except Jews and pretentious academics gave a shit about, let alone liked, "avant garde" art you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

>>2024807
jazz? gay rights? oh no! what a terrible world, I need my Perry Como and conservative protestant values!

also we have a board for you
>>>/pol/

>>2024801
thanks for that answer

>>2024811
you're welcome

more hitler art 4 u

>>2024809
>jazz? gay rights? oh no! what a terrible world, I need my Perry Como and conservative protestant values!
Epic sarcasm. It doesn't matter whether you think jazz and gay rights are great, the point is that people like Schiele were selectively promoted, despite being wholly at odds with the dominant culture, much like Jews were pioneering gay rights and feminism while the vast majority of Germans were Christian cultural conservatives. As far as the art is concerned, Schiele is a great example of work that is ugly, meaningless and degenerate.

>>2024815
as opposed to Hitler's insightful and meaningful work, right? "degenerate" is just a political term with no weight behind it, equivalent to "stop liking what I don't like"

>>2024816
You can't just post random shit from his sketchbook and claim that it's intended as finished works for public consumption, holy shit this is sad

>>2024821
because the original comparisons of hitler's work and schiele's work DEFINITELY wasn't cherry-picked

more schiele for you since you're such a big fan

>>2024821
so post his "meaningful" work

still life by Egon Schiele

>>2024822
It just looks like vomit, I'm starting to think he may have been colorblind.

>>2024824
color is skewed in reproduction, but there's no real issue with the colors here. if there were, you would have said what it was, instead you rely on "it look like poop no good"

>>2024828
No, it literally looks like vomit, it looks like someone used vomit to paint a picture, I can see the blueberries, the leaeves, the tomatoes, just random colors mashed together in a chaotic but evenly distributed manner that makes you sick just looking at it.

The female figure just looks like a stale potato on a piece of used toilet paper.

Sick minds who produce and enjoy looking at such pictures.

>>2024832
Yes, we need more healthy minds, like Adolf Hitler...

more schiele for you buddy

>>2024833
I like how there's piss and shit all over the walls, is this India?

>>2024832
Potato eaters.jpg

>>2024837
I like how you don't have the skill or knowledge to give an actual criticism so you rely on "vomit, shit, piss" to get your point across. it makes you look very intellectual, I've got to say I'm impressed.

>>2024840
Pointing out that the colors and the way they are combined resembles bodily discharge more than anything is valid criticism. Again, some people are mentally ill degenerates, some people eat their own shit or enjoy the smell and visual properties of vomit and pus, that doesn't mean that this is healthy or "interesting". If artwork is inspired by such preferences and aberrations in aesthetic judgement, it just means that the artist is a sick individual whose work will only appeal to other sick individuals. I guarantee 100% that Egon Schiele would be drawing guro and scat on commission if he was alive today.
>hurr but there is nothing wrong with piss, shit and vomit, it's just personal preference
someone should purge you

>>2024846
>rambles about sick minds while supporting Hitler
>makes up quotes for his opponent then responds to those false quotes
Yeah, no sense in me even responding to your ramblings at this point. continue whining.

hitler failed as an artist then shot himself in the head, schiele is in museums and widely respected. think whatever you want, butthurt conservatives like you already lost.

>>2024851
I'm not a conservative though, I'm a progressive much like Hitler was. Avant-garde is actually a reactionary movement, much like transgenderism or gay marriage. It's very common for imbeciles to believe that fashionable means progressive, but this is not in fact the case.

>>2024846

why are you even on 4chan if despise degenarates so fucking much? do you think you're somehow upholding a healthy and "classical" ideal when giving traffic to a site that's built around the work that comes from the proverbial pop-culture gutter?

>>2024853

You know what you should be doing?

You should be documenting everything you post, or think in a book or something, or a Google drive document, just use the snip tool to cut out and save everything you spew out into the world. Then in a couple of years, go back to that fetid folder of ignorance and personal bias, you'll cringe so hard, just like we cringe at the shit you're writing because it reminds us of similar thoughts we had before somebody older, wiser, and ultimately more interesting slapped some sense into us.

Try talking to somebody whom you consider "worthy" and explain your views to them, ask for feedback, and don't expect praise, you won't get it.

>>2024871
Breaking news: 21-year-old liberal has life all figured out, considers himself old and wise because he's not a teenager anymore, draws attention to his adult-ness on internet board.

>>2024884
he's right, and I don't see anyone in this thread backing up your /pol/-tier bullshit.

>>2024851
looks like bagbosse

How valuable are Hitler's paintings nowadays?

>>2025013
Not very, if I recall a couple of Jewish avante garde artists bought all of his paintings and painted over them anyway. They did the same thing to Goya iirc.

>>2025018
http://albertis-window.com/2011/04/appropriating-hitler-the-chapman-brothers/

>>2024846
Mate if you manage to see piss, shit and vomit in every Schiele piece you see, you're the one who has an issue.

Also
>If artwork is inspired by such preferences and aberrations in aesthetic judgement, it just means that the artist is a sick individual
>implying art's subject must always be pretty, like even aknowledging disgusting things exist is promoting them
Congratulations on having the mentality of 19th century French critics who have been long since forgotten as they failed to create anything of value, while the "degenerates" have birthed original movements. Do you hate everything that comes after rococo too ?

I can understand not liking an artist, but calling it degeneracy is a really laughable reason.

>>2025047
I'm not that guy but Schiele does give off a really creepy vibe in most of his work even if I hesitate to say outright that he was "bad". The comparison that he was the crystals1986.deviantart.com of his time made be laugh but it's kind of true in a way. His fixation on gnarled hands just makes your skin crawl.

>>2025013
valuable enough to paint over

>>2025018
they aren't jewish afaik, and they didn't buy all of his paintings. and I'm sure they paid a fairly heft sum for the work.

>>2025055
that's expressionism for you. more german than hitler's work tbh, as the german expressionists were inspired by medieval german work. "we admire Latin art, and love German art"

>>2025021
Fucking savages

>>2025199
Ah you're right they're greek sorry, the name threw me off and I just made the assumption due to the surname and subject matter.

Greeks are arguably worse if you ask me. At least Jews are smart and invent nice things for everybody once in a while, Greeks are just walking denbts.

That's a pretty interesting standard to conpare your art to. "Is this better than Hitler"

>>2025920
They're English. Go hang out on /pol/.