/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I had no idea there was this sort of trend happening. I take it more people are becoming more effective at shutting down artist. If that is the case, I would like to learn their methods and strategies. There are quite a few artist I would like to shut down.

because your visions are of a privileged white male who knows nothing about realistic body ideals and want to draw only skinny white sex objects. don't mansplain freedom of expression to me like your trying to defend the patriarchy

ok, shitpost over, its either A-the work is poorly done, B-the work is copied and illiegitamnant, and people make profit off of very little effort or C- people are jealous and shit post

>>2021845
I love this. It's creepy. Like looking into deepest depths of Joker's mind. I love this so much.
Also im gay and i don't care about vaginas...im saying this to make sure i don't find this "sexy" or "rapey" whatever else...
Fuck nowadays american comic industry. Capecomics were shit lately and they become even shittier with all that stuff started to appear.
Im glad im more into european comicbook industry.

>>2021852
Maybe you don't know the story behind the image OP posted, but this variant cover was shut down by SJW's spamming twitter and tumblr about it promoting "rape culture". Your ironic shitpost is actually exactly what happened in this case and in a lot of other cases. Like that infamous spiderwoman cover.

>>2021845
SJW's and their hurt fee fee's en mass and with enough shaming and demonizing of you will force you to cater to their every whim no matter how ridiculous it is and that's not enough you will apologize and be expected to give back some form of reparation for all of those triggers and hurt feelings you caused.

In other words, your rights and your artistic expressions end where my feelings begin.

>>2021852
>who knows nothing about realistic body ideals
Why the fuck anyone should draw realistic body if he wants to draw unrealistic?
The fact that you're fat doesn't mean you should opress other's idea of a beautiful perfection.

>>2021845
it's just dumbasses being dumb on the internet. if there's a problem it's the thin skin on some of these artists.

like, if you got to youtube, and you look at a youtube video with heaps of negative comments, you'd think people didn't like the video. until you look at the ratio of thumbs up to thumbs down, and you'll see it's like 80% thumbs up.

people bitching are just more visible, and on websites where there's no thumbs to count you can be left with a very skewed impression of the public response.

and that's not even including the people who didn't click anything and thus dgaf.

>>2021872
>it's just dumbasses being dumb on the internet.
but those dumbasses actually changind the world outside of internet
See? We will not see this variant of cover because of them.

>>2021856
I think it was actually intended to have rapey connotations. I think I read somewhere that the one on the left at least was made in semi-reference to a very dark graphic novel involving the Joker called "The Killing Joke" in which batgirl was shot, paralyzed and raped by the joker.

It also helps that in this particular drawing, there are no visual sources of blood ie wounds or some kind of splatter to draw from, which puts into question how it got on his finger, which may imply a violent sexual encounter.

Batgirl is not being threatened, visibly held down in any way or given any visual incentive to cooperate (like someone being dangled over a lava pit or joker holding a bomb detonation thing or something). But joker can still do this without her pulling away or attacking, so batgirl is feeling powerless in this situation through some mental hold, which again has the implication of rape.

If I recall the artist himself request that this be recalled as the cover because of these connotations and also for the fact that nothing like this happens at all in that particular issue.

I can see why this would be offensive or creepy, but I think it's a cool cover. But I could see other women getting triggered.

>>2021883
Again - im glad in not into capeshit.

>>2021883
i've read the killing joke, i don't remember her getting raped in it.

>>2021889
It wasn't shown but it was implied some kind of sexual violence was inflicted on her.

>>2021886
>But I could see other women getting triggered.
... and?
If someone makes a post about how they felt that they were being raped because someone looked at them in a funny way, and their followers raise a million signatures in favor of making that bastard pay for what he did, does society have to throw the perpatrator into prison to make the people throwing a fit over nothing feel better, or is it their responsibility to stop being delusional? Should we ban anything that makes people uncomfortable? Is that really the world we want to live in? So what if someone 'feels' bad because they looked at something they didn't agree with? So what if they disagree with the message they see in it? If you cave in whenever the screaming mob decides to go on a witchhunt you really shouldn't be surprised when someday everything that disagrees with their ideology is banned.

>>2021883

He didn't rape her. He took photos of her in various states of undress to show to Gordon to drive him insane. She was NOT raped, yo. For seriously.

>>2021912
>Should we ban anything that makes people uncomfortable? Is that really the world we want to live in?
pretty much how i feel about american society...How ironic. i learned english just because i grew up with american pop culture...but as time goes on i like it less. The society and people of USA really bother me nowadays.
i don't know how exactly america looks but i imagine it as a country filled with people with guns, super fat people, triggered women and overly working middle class people with stress problems.

>>2021915
"Oh God! Oh god, I remember! Oh Bruce, what he did..."

>>2021915
They never actually show what happened to her, no. She mightve been raped, she mightve been brutalized in some way, or it couldve happened as you said, just photos. But there's no way to be sure. All we know is she was deeply traumatized by the effect physically and emotionally and at bare minimum, she was sexually exploited during one of the most violent moments of her life.

>>2021869
exept your fucking gross if your skinny or fit. being fat is the only acceptable lifestyle you privileged swine. because I choose to break normal standards of being fat, I am raped every day by men who look at me in disgust. males are truly disgusting with your need to fuck anything that moves

>>2021876

They'll sell it as a limited edition cover sometime in the future.

The Scarface remake (1980s) was cut in theaters and received poor reception and box office due to "not advancing the medium". When it was released via VHS, it earned a huge amount of sales.

>>2021883

She wasn't raped. The joker took her clothes off and shot photos in order to humilatiate her.

The book was written by Alan Moore, creator of Watchmen and V for Vendetta. Dude is an incredibly awesome, eccentric, and intelligent author who has a unique perspective on everything. It's a shame that there aren't any other writers who can't tackle any themes past the theme of "equality".

>>2021946
If the Joker were an actual dude and he was raping women and traumatizing them for life then yes, it would be our responsibiltiy to stop him, but as it stands that isn't the case. I think that artists should be allowed to portray whatever fictional world they wish. If you actually believe that it is not only your right, but your moral duty to restrict them to producing things that fit into your ideology, then you're on your best way to becoming Stalin.

>>2021957
>exept your fucking gross if your skinny or fit. being fat is the only acceptable lifestyle you privileged swine.
k... :^)

>>2021883
>>2021889
>>2021893


"Rafael Albuquerque, the artist on the cover, wrote an open letter. He presents his reasoning for the cover image, citing the impact the Joker had on Batgirl and how important that moment was and how much he admired that original comic. All well and good. He goes on to explain how he read that the cover "touched a nerve" in others. He didn't like making people "hurt" or "upset" with his art and so asked DC to pull the cover."

"Something to clarify, because DCs statement was a little unclear. @rafaalbuquerque did not get threats. People OBJECTING to the cover did.

— Cameron Stewart (@cameronMstewart) March 17, 2015"

"Here's where we end up:

We stand by our creative talent, and per Rafael’s request, DC Comics will not publish the Batgirl variant. – DC Entertainment

This is where my jaw dropped. DC is neither apologetic nor contrite. As far as it's concerned, it did absolutely nothing wrong. It's just a champion of creators, and is agreeing to honor one of their creator's requests."

There's a full article on the thing over at comicbookresources. It's all laughable and asinine.

>>2021967

The writer is weirdly contradicting himself, he mentioned that he banned the cover from the start.

I can't cite it since he locked his tweets now.

>>2021967
Another naive artist falls victim to the loud minority of non-consumers.

There needs to be a PSA to all artists not to acknowledge the grievances of Tumblr children. They're not the intended audience and they won't purchase your goods just because you censor yourself and shoehorn PC elements in.

>>2021967
>agreeing to honor one of their creator's requests
That's jsut basic PR. Make the creator agree to claim that an unpopular decision that the company he is working for made about his work is in fact his own, so that they don't look bad in the eyes of their customers. This is common practice by the way. Corporate Identity is all about finding new ways of manipulating people into feeling better about your brand than they have any reason to.

>>2021883
>there are no visual sources of blood ie wounds or some kind of splatter to draw from, which puts into question how it got on his finger, which may imply a violent sexual encounter.

Or you know, from the gunshot to her spine maybe?

>>2021971
>>2021973
>>2021975

"The cover was not seen or approved by anyone on Team Batgirl and was completely at odds with what we are doing with the comic.

So, we have the creators of the book and the artist himself all agreeing that the cover was inappropriate. There’s no “censorship” here.

If you’re concerned about artistic integrity and creative vision - that’s what we’re doing. Keeping the integrity of our book intact.

— Cameron Stewart (@cameronMstewart) Mar 16, 2015"


Just sharing quotes from the article/Batgirl team tweets. No personal opinion on the matter beyond the laughable and asinine bit.

>>2021967
If the artist requested it and dc went along with it, i dont see why dc should apologize for anything.

>>2021987
looking at this it's pretty obvious that >>2021975 is on target.
>You thought we were caving in to public demands?
>No, no, you got it all wrong, we're preserving our artists creative vision.
>... at their own request of course.
>No censoreship here, nope!

>>2021845
>>2021845
> artist didn't like the cover
> team batgirl didn't like the cover
> people who criticized the cover received threats, not the other way around
> "c-censorship!!!"
> "s-sjw conspiracy!!1"

>>2021845
That whole issue of "censorship" wasn't actually censorship this time around. Basically you had a bunch of comic fans trying to defend an artist who was the same as the people trying to shut his art down.

People should stop wasting their efforts defending artists who are just going to give in themselves, the artists worth your time don't need to be defended in the first place because they are just going to tell the feminists and sjw to eat shit then go back to their work.

It's a lot less common in western culture sadly, seems like most artists here are whipped betas who are constantly compromising their creative vision at the first sign of conflict.

>>2022010
Yeah, it wasn't censorship.

That said, the reason for the complaints were stupid. If anyone was even familiar with the Joker, they would know he's disturbing as fuck. It's like complaining about a horror movie being too scary.

>>2022012
>Holy fuck, I touched a nerve with my cover. I really don't need this headache.
>Great to hear, because we here at DC don't need this headache either. We'll contact our PR/Legal and write up some pacifying statements so that everything can blow over.
>Cool, sounds great.

They were browbeaten a bit, but they caved easy because not every battle is worth fighting. That's basically it.

>>2021987
This is fucking hilarious though. Wash your hands a little harder, nobody will thing you doth protest too much...

>>2022019
There wasn't a "battle" in the first place. There was internet drama that could easily be ignored. It's what these people constantly don't understand, then again, these are the people who I'm sure love to get involved and start it in the first place.

>>2022026
>There wasn't a "battle" in the first place

Not in the strict sense, but I'm sure as soon as DC noticed the reaction they started thinking about how that cover affected their brand image.

The artist too, since "building a brand" is so integral to an art career nowadays.

Also, frankly speaking, DC could've just been testing the waters with this cover.

>I wonder what'll happen if we put this out there?
>Oh. That.
>A'ight pull it, we got the info we wanted.

I agree that it was just some drama that DC and the artist could've ignored... they just decided not to. Whatever.

It is funny that some people think changing or "suppressing" this cover is some sort of progress while completely glossing over the events the cover references.

>>2021845
Who gives a fuck.

If the art is good (like, objectively good and well executed), then whoever is talking shit can blow it out their ass.

>>2022035
DC's brand image has always been dark for characters like Batman, Swamp Thing, the Watchmen characters, Deadman, Demon, Plastic-man, etc.

>>2021967
just read it. My god. Makes me wonder if I could even work in the industry now. Certainly not the big two.

The stupidest fucking thing

The thing that made me get a black eye via facepalm

He's a fucking bad guy. The whole fucking point of these comics is that the hero's kick his ass. This isn't the fucking Joker Rape Parade annual.
He's a psychopath and he's the bad guy.

Fucking christ.

>>2021872
>if there's a problem it's the thin skin on some of these artists.

uh, the problem isn't the artist's skin. it's the company that hires them that is terrified of being painted as sexist/racist/homophobic/transphobic/fatshaming/cisprivileged or whatever the fuck on Twitter by 40,000 fat SJWs with pink hair and too much time on their hands.

artists aren't "thin skinned". They're terrified of being blacklisted by the mob, of getting doxxed and having every employer that hires them harassed by angry SJWs. Companies are afraid of being boycotted or having their public image attacked in the media. To blame artists is really missing the entire crux of the issue.

>>2021845
Would this cover have been made the same way if it was about Robin, Batman or a male character?

Anon that shared the article/tweet quotes here, just wanted to mention a few things for those that don't know. The new Batgirl is more or less Tumblr/SJW/hipster in a comic and is primarily marketed towards the whole female Tumblr crowd. I've seen Stewart tweet about his disgust of the whole "SJW movement/idea" or whatever you want to call it that is making the rounds on the net (I don't really keep up with Babs or the others on the team as much). This tweet from Cameron was a sort of smartass response to the criticism, or at least that's how I read it.

Interesting to note, if I recall correctly, the first issue of this Batgirl has her waking up to a man she doesn't initial remember meeting at a club the night before. Something about making out with him and then drunkenly inviting him back to her place and implied sex. It seemed out of character at first, but then I remember they've totally changed this Barbara into a hipster ginger that drinks coffee regularly and takes selfies. The irony is great. (This could have been the unintended leak I'm remembering, and I can't promise this made it into the final release.)

That being said, I totally see how the cover Alberquerque did wasn't exactly inline with this current Batgirl concept. But it was a variant cover and the whole shitpile is still laughable.

>>2022827
cont.

This is from a separate article on bleedingcool.

"I understand, from a number of inside contacts, that the Batgirl Joker variant cover by Rafael Albuquerque that caused so much fuss this week was not the first version of that cover.

The first version was a lot less extreme. It still features Batgirl and The Joker. But there was no gun pointing towards the crotch. No finger in the face. No tears, lipstick smear or extreme distress. Not that it wasn’t creepy, it still was.

But apparently not creepy enough.

I am told that Albuquerque received notes from DC Comics, redrew the cover, and it was accepted. Again, none of this came from Batman editorial or creatives, it was a promotional/marketing decision and commission. And one that has now had a few safeguards added."

There's also a translated interview Albuquerque had with some Brazilian site there.

>>2022690
implying joker raping robin would be sooo much cooler. god damn, imagine the indignation.

>>2022834
There's a fucking doujin of that.

>>2022026

The comic industry is in shambles. They need every little thing going for them they can, they cant afford to piss off 10 people.

Sure its still a big industry, but the golden days have passed. And even the giants are not pulling as much trough comic sales as they used too. So they have to pander to everyone.

So kinda yea, who ever offends the least people has the best chance in the comic biusness as long as his comics are just mildly interesting. The long time fans will buy their shit anyway. And the newer generations might even give it a try if it panders to their delusions.

>>2021856
>>2021886
I agree. I'm into this dark horror too.
>>2021883
>>2022653
I'm disappointed that there has effort made and pulled the plug for this to be published. Not even the artist defended it or yet planed to happen by the company.

Now I use it as a wallpaper for my tablet.

>>2021893
weirdly i think in the version i read she had underwear on still

>>2021845
her weird little nose bothers me the most

>>2022653

Gotta agree with this. The vocal outspoken sjws minority on twitter tumlr etc can be malicious enough to make sure that you don't get another job if they don't like your work or consider it racist/misogyny/etc/ whatever. They dox, spread rumours, and will do anything to make sure that you don't have a leg to stand on because your view or work is different to their ideals.

It's like, nobody is allowed to have an opinion or draw what they want. If you want to draw shitty bigoted stuff, who cares? You can believe it's bad, that's fine but according to them there's no room for debate. If your opinion is 'problematic' or different to theirs it has to change. No ifs or buts. You cannot disagree. And that worries me. What kind of world are we living in? Seems just crazy to me that people can't do art about uncomfortable matters because someone will get offended.


Also the argument that because Babs is a 'survivor' is the reason she cannot be put into danger and it's somehow demeaning to her character to have this cover is ridiculous. Do they expect everything to be sunshine and rainbows? I guess women aren't allowed to be in danger anymore? Wtf is this? And good for DC for pulling it because the artist asked but not apologising for it.

Does every variant cover need to show the hero defeating the villan. Sometimes the hero gets caught. Pic related.

I'm sure most of the complainers haven't even read The Killing Joke. The Joker shoots Barbara, paralyzing her from the waist down. No longer able to walk or fight back she's captured by the Joker and knowing the type of person he is, she knows the worst is yet to come.

I say she shows the right emotion for the situation, FEAR.

>>2021845
people should rather be pissed that variant covers are even a thing. fucking collectors man, ruined comic books.

>>2023022
W-wait,
this image triggers me. Bondage, the hero not always beating the villain, and heavily implied rape (the cat looking beaver thing). W-why would they do this?
DC, pull this cover now!
DELETE THIS!

It's the same bullshit every time, and countless arguments have been made against pulling the cover and the hypocrisy of sjws who wanted pulled. These slags didn't say shit on the times male characters have been raped in comics, and honestly I don't even understand how this is rapey. They don't even care at the end of the day. They're a bunch of white narcicists parading this bullshit concept of social progression to feed they're own unwarranted self importance. Artistic freedom means jack shit to them.

>>2022844
Sauce...f-for research purposes.

>>2021883
This sounds like autistic reasoning. The autistic should be lined up and shot.

>>2021980
They're talking about in the cover, for the feminists who have never read literally the best fucking batman comic ever to see and not get the reference.

I've got no problem with wanting equality and all that jazz, but the moment you touch artistic freedom of expression, you've gone too far.

>>2021962
It's sad really. All the 'alt' comics now, the ones that are supposed to be cutting edge, are stuck talking about the same issues over and over again.

>>2026551
Well, you have to realize that the people who wanted this pulled are the same ones working in the industry now. Even the artist. It's probably going to take something pretty extreme to wake these artists up, especially when they are okay and even for pulling down their own creative work because it "offends" a few vocal internet people. This isn't censorship, it's stupidity.

>>2026565
Funny thing, if he had never pulled it, it would have likely been forgotten about within the month.

Now it's forever immortalized as part of the "patriarchy"
>it's all about the patriarchy, that's why the white male artist without a spine pulled it down.

>>2021883
She wasn't raped.

In fact many versions of the Joker imply that he is asexual or possibly impotent, it's often shown that he has almost no real sexual attraction to Harley.

But that would imply that many of these people actually read comics to begin with.

The thing that pisses me off is they get upset at any depiction at all of something they don't like. To them just showing "rape" is somehow glorifying it.

>Being shot and paralyzed is not traumatizing and is no big deal

>Getting a little dick is the worst thing that could happen to anyone and is so traumatizing that it should never be depicted or even implied

Women

>>2026576
can i stick my dick in you, anon?

I love the cover. I think it's a really great piece and a very cool reference to The Killing Joke, but it's just inappropriate for this run of Batgirl. This new Batgirl is really lighthearted and fun, so the cover--while still a fantastic piece--just doesn't fit the mood.
In the end, the cover's illustrator asked it not be published after consulting the comic's writer and illustrator. They all expressed that the cover was too dissimilar to the comic's mood.

>>2026585
Yeah, except we all know that's not why it was taken down. Much like the whole ordeal with the tranny super villain the batgirl team just doesn't stand by their creative work. All it takes is a few internet SJW or feminists(pretty interchangeable) to call it offensive and organize an attack to either get some long apology, or now, to get the work changed. Again though, this isn't censorship, the team is made up of people like the ones complaining so really they are just told something is offensive, they agree no matter if it is or isn't, then they change what they can to make things better for people who don't really read comics. It's like the Christian mom trend in the 90's but for whatever reason these people are actually taken seriously.

>>2026596
> but for whatever reason these people are actually taken seriously.
The reason is always one and only one: the creators are themselves SJW. The problem is that they are not deep enough in that shit to consider EVERYTHING objectionable or to openly identify with that crowd, so they sometime "fuck up" (they don't realize that some SJW would find this or that objectionable and they green-lit it), only to be corrected by their SJW friends, and ultimately agreeing with them on that issue, while falsely believing that they are still "moderate" or not SJW at all.

>>2026614
True enough.

I guess we'll just have to wait for this phase to implode in on itself. I'm sure these artists will eventually have a break down when their art is constantly rejected and edited for "offensive" content.

... of course, if they do they'll probably just get fired for more Erica Henderson tier artists.

When people with no passion, interest, or care in comics and go for creating "ethical problems" just cuz it was presented "wrongfully", they're being the bigots of the bunch.
The cover is amazing, hands down. Best in years, and here strolls some snarky fuck up and comments it is "a portayal of rape"?
Seriously, this political correctness into entertainment and arts supresses every intent of expression of creator and recieves flack for merely being inventive.
Give me acid. I've had it with these people.

Why is it that, in an discussion of free expression, the artists actual intent is ignored? I keep seeing this hand waving of "they couldn't have really meant it", or "They were the enemy all along". Seems like no one actually cares about censorship farther than furthering #comicgate culture war bullshit. No one wanted the cover, so it was dropped.

>>2026720
> Best in years

Really, of all comics? Can we please not deify the variant cover. It was just a reference to an older story.

>>2026862
This team has already got on their knees once for people who found something they made offensive, now a comic cover gets attacked pretty hard for "mysoginistic undertones" and is removed. They can say what they want, but that sounds a LOT like damage control to me. Still, it isn't a matter of censorship so much as a team not standing by their creative vision the moment they are told that it's wrong by an internet group.

Again, you can't say for 100% certainty that it was due to this group complaining that it was taken down, but from their track record it's a safe bet.

>>2026912
He's actually saying different, according to Cameron, they hadn't even seen the cover prior. There's nothing to back down from.


this would be utterly benign if the "enemy" wasn't involved.

>>2026930
Actually there's quite a bit to back down from. You don't want to paint your "group" in a bad light for "censorship", especially since they had to make a rather big apology before for making an "insensitive" character. They can try to cover it all they want, doesn't change the fact that a bunch of SJW/feminists complained about a piece offending them, the artist recognizing them, then requesting his work get taken down thus denying everyone it.

Then again, there really isn't much discussion to be had here. If these people want to constantly worry about offensive content and scrap a ton of work or constantly have to edit/apologize for it, more power to them. They are pandering to a group that cannot be satisfied and from current sales, only stick with a comic until it validates their opinions and isn't considered "problematic" any more. I know I won't be supporting the big two any more after all this bullshit is done with, though if stopped buying comics around the time Marvel thought it was a good idea to have Gwen fuck Norman.

>>2026944
...Or they (actually just Albuquerque) agreed with the sjw/feminists/buzzwordfortheenemy, Stewart et all never wanted it. Only reason to be cynicle about their decision is if you've got a political axe to grind.

Then again I don't really read capes, so I've been immune since the beginning to all this drama.

>Still reading capeshit

Just stick to your manga, boi

>>2021845
this isn't censorship. the artist took it down himself. stop victimising yourself and making shit up just so you can hate a strawman sjw, it is embarrasing.

>>2021987
That faggot blocked me on twitter and I've never even talked to him. What the fuck. Typical SJWs.

>>2027810
The artist took it down because of a "strawman sjw"; he's a sjw himself

>Oh gosh what have I done I've offended a bunch of whiny degenerate faggot retards herp derp

Absolutely pathetic.

>>2027810
>I've always defended minorities
>I think it's right and righteous
>a comic that intends to raise women's self esteem
Looks like there's no need for strawSJW indeed.

>>2021973
Says the 4chan child

>>2021845
>tumblr red nose on batgirl
TRIGGERED.

>>2027892
>>2027895
>>2027917
>>2026720
>>2026614
>>2026576
You lot are fucking pathetic parrots.
There's a difference between radicalism and real genuine social concerns, stop acting like teenage edgelords and have a real discussion rather than bitching about SJW.

Overly sensitive kids that are just learning about equality and label everything as 'rape culture' or 'triggering' are obviously jut that, but things like rape culture do exist and are prevalent in the entertainment industry.
The caricature of the SJW has made it so easy for you all to mock these things that you aren't even thinking for yourselves about the role of art and entertainment as a means of social commentary or representation. Don't agree with that? Then why?


Just because there are some people that are fucking mental about SJW topics, doesn't mean that some of the concerns aren't real.
In the entertainment industry there is sexism against all genders and equality problems for all races. Just because there are people who are flipping out on tumblr about stupid stuff, doesn't mean that these real questions should be ignored or laughed at.

Let's all have an actual debate about the responsibility of artists and large-scale publishers rather than yelling 'FAT SJW BITCHES!''.

>>2027964
>Let's all have an actual debate about the responsibility of artists and large-scale publishers
"hey guys, lets stop talking about censorship in art and talk about how I am oppressed! lets talk about ME!"
lets fucking not.
>>>/tumblr/

>>2027964
>responsibility of artists and large-scale publishers
Yeah, no. They have no fucking responsibility to represent fucking anything other than what they want. If ya want a gay black tranny that fights against the rape then do it yourself. This isn't fucking socialism.

>>2027964
didn't those two ended up not being guilty? lel

>>2027964

Ugh. Please don't let this horseshit get started on /ic/. Any time anyone starts talking about "the responsibility" of artists to stop "rape culture" and racism, all they're really talking about is censorship.

Fuck. Off.

>>2021886
Isn't that a good thing tough, if it's supposed to make you feel uneasy.

>>2027964
My responsibility is to either

A: Make the art I WANT
or
B: Make the art I GET PAID FOR

I am not a school teacher, I am not a parent, I am not a politician, I am not an activist. I am a fucking artist.

THAT IS IT. GO GET FUCKED.

>>2027964
>Rape culture
>Exists in the west

>>2027964
>things like rape culture do exist

I'd worry more about "violence culture" or worse "murder culture". Then again, rape is the new murder for people with a victim complex like you. Take this shit to tumblr.

>>2021845
SJWs are just infecting everything. They don't allow you to have artistic expressions as long as they IMPLY certain stereotypes or racist/sexist/homophobic concepts.

Because in a mind of a SJW if your art reinforces these principles, you are worse than death itself.

it makes me sick.

>>2028236
I think it's probably going to take some western artist with some status to make the most offensive content out there towards these people, basically a Mortal Kombat to Christian moms, for other artists to wake up and see that they are catering to the most "problematic/toxic" crowd around.

>>2027964
You wanna see "rape culture" then just leave western society.
Then you'll see some fucking "rape culture"

>>2028244
You make a valid point. Suppressing artists usually doesn't end well for actually suppressing the art.

>>2027964
There is absolutely no such thing as rape culture in the west. If it was then rape wouldn't be one of the most abhorrent things someone could do to another individual. If you were truly concerned about rape culture and social issues then the entertainment industry in America would be the absolute least of your worries.

>>2027979
I asked for your opinions on why you didn't agree, but instead you just went all straw man.
You can't even stand up for your own opinions, can you?

>>2027981
>>2028217
Expressing your own responses, at least.

>>2028006
Didn't mention censorship. I only feel large publishing houses or those that aim at kids/teens have a responsibility to be mindful of their content so that even 'dark' choices are deliberate, nothing should be half-hearted, how do you feel? Do you feel this could lead into censorship?

>>2028232
>>2028228
>>2028247
>>2028270
Rape culture isn't my prime concern, but representation of all societal 'delicate' spots are still not something that we should ignore; the way people interact is constantly changing and maybe media needs to reflect it- maybe it doesn't, but what is so wrong about discussing that?
It seems like all of you are saying 'no, no, none of this is real' because you hate SJW.
I genuinely hate hippies, but it doesn't stop me recycling.

>>2028270
>what are anti-rape posters?

>>2028497
There's difference between noting something and demanding artists express what you want them too.

>>2027964
Artists have no responsibilities other than to create work that they like or work that their clients like.

That's it. If they want to do SJW stuff it's fine by me but there's absolutely no problem for them to depict harsh situations or even express controversial and disliked opinions in their art forms. They don't have some sort of responsibility to become moral guardians.

>>2028497
is this what you want?

>>2030337
by the way, talking about strawman...

>>2030337
>>2030338
Anyone else also find it ironic that they have so little faith in female character development that they had to steal a male character's identity.

I honestly think a female Thor is more sexist towards *women*

>>2030377

Theres a few things in play here:

1. They are using an existing IP to appeal to the hypocritical SJW crowd - they pretend to hate Thor, but in reality dream about being pounded by his rock hard superhuman cock. So that's an existing demographic that will transfer over in droves.

2. Horny white knight boys/men.

>>2022010
> artist didn't like the cover

Why did he draw it then? You and I both know that doing art takes HOURS why would you work HOURS on something you do not like?

He probably said that to avoid confrontation in a professional workplace you have to go with the masses or people won't hire you. The more non confrontational and conforming you are the more people will hire you. Take videogames for example, you notice how they all mesh together, have the same mechanics and what not? You notice how many art works for the industry all look the same, some guy with a stick looking at some environment that is on one of the focal points for the rule of thirds? How even though Sci- fi is a made up category they all look the same, with their suits and whatnot?Im digressing though.

Censorship of art has always been around and I think it always will, We first had the religious fanatics,then came the soccer moms, now it's the SJWs, shit doesn't stop. When the SJWs are long gone we'll have something else trying to get artwork pulled it's just a vicious cycle.

>>2030377
No, you're looking into it too much. It's just a marketing ploy; like "killing" Spider-Man (for the first time, anyway), etc. It attracts people, that's all.

That said, female "Thor" is garbage and even the female customers I've met at my comic book store don't like it/don't care for it.

>>2030338
Please tell me this page is fake.

I'd be insulted if I was a women and was pandered too like this.

>>2030394
It's not, unfortunately. Also a Gamergate reference in a Thor panel in the ongoing Loki comic (can't be assed to find it)

You think it's pandering to women but it's really just pandering to the fucking SJWs and feminists. The typical woman doesn't care about that shit.

>>2030377
Yeah and that's my huge issue with it. Thor is a name, yo. Not a title. Why not just make it Thor whose been turned into a woman?

I heard someone argue a better storyline would have been Loki tricking Thor into becoming a woman thinking she'll be a pushover when really she's a bit more cerebral and focused than Thor usually is which leads to an 'Ohsnap!' moment when Loki realises he's made Thor better at stopping him.

I would read that because the irony of Loki underestimating Thor and women in general would be nice when he gets a hammer in the face.

>>2030386
Agree. Female here and I got the first issue and had a cringe over the dialogue and shitty strawmen. It's a shame because Loki: Agent of Asgard on the whole is really good and a counterpart from a strong Thor run would be awesome. Though I guess there was a gamergate potshot in the new Loki and that also makes me cringe.

I just want my comicbooks to be well written. I'm tired of political agenda shoehorning.

>>2030338
>And also... you know, for the robbing

>>2030337
>>2030338

Absolutely the most cringe-worthy writing. I don't even give a fuck about capeshit but that's just embarrassing.

>>2022844
WHY!

>>2030405
There was a female thor with a pretty similar story. a lady found the hammer and went by the name thordis. Kicked loki's ass and married odin. It's kinda old but miles better in comparison

>>2027964
>In the entertainment industry there is sexism against all genders and equality problems for all races.
>everyone's getting oppressed
kek best just make talking illegal

>>2030405
That plot for a female Thor does sound much better. Could also tie in other themes like how your sex doesn't matter but the individual and even how having differences doesn't have to mean inferiority.

>>2022690
I was thinking the exact same thing.
That would be considered totally hardcore and completely inappropriate.
but when it's just batgirl being people will say that "well that's the joker and he's bound to do fucked up shit".
does that mean our society is more cool with rape than homosex?

>>2030385
>Why did he draw it then? You and I both know that doing art takes HOURS why would you work HOURS on something you do not like?
So you've never worked on something you didn't like afterwards?

FFS what would the team even have to do to convince guys like you that they weren't "censored"? Pretty much everyone involved has already said the cover was a mistake. The artist literally said it was his own decision, without external pressure. He explained clearly how it didn't fit the theme they were going for with Batgirl.
> nah, evil SJW lizardpeople did it

>>2030338
At least this one has nicer art.

>>2034889
Oh christ.

>>2034889
>mansplaining

>>2034956
>>2034889
>>2034893
>yfw the author unconsciously admits that a mansplanation is still the truth

>>2022844
I didn't know there was a sequel to the first one.

>>2034967
I've noticed that about this and a few other comics, esp. the one with the female Thor fighting the guy talking about Thor's identity.

It's like there's some writer whose writing this, knowing the subtext goes against it as a little act of rebellion for what's been going on.

>>2022844
best plot

>>2034889
>mansplaining
Jesus. This is offensive. The concept of this is offensive to me as a man. Why are men not allowed to be offended? Why has equality between the sexes de-evolved into sophomoric name calling and belittling of rights and ideals?

What if I started to use the term "womansplaining"? Jesus, I'd be crucified.

Except we already have a term for "womansplaining".

It's called "bitching".

>>2034889
Jesus Christ, is the from Sensational Wonder Woman? Glad I stopped reading that trash. The Superman and Batman anthology series were decent, but when you ask random writers to have a go at Wonder Woman stories, you just get feminism and soapboxing.

>>2035435
Could you wave your virgin flag a little harder?
I don't think everyone got the message.

>>2035439
Why does having his penis put in a vagina had to do with his opinion?

>>2035439
>woman insults men to try and achieve equality
>you go girl!
>man insults woman as rebuttal
>lol, virgin!!!

Women want to repair the double standards of the gender simply by instituting a new double standard. They feel that because they weren't allowed to vote until the 1920's that somehow the guy sitting next to them on the bus can barely contain his hatred towards her equality. This is what's wrong with feminism.

>>2033695
Because, while it is quite possible to dislike the work you've done after you've finished it, it's also rather hard to be completely blind to the style and tone of the work you're making.
I mean, the artist must've known he was drawing the Joker, right?
And the pose?
And how dark he made it?

And THAT'S what they say clashed with the book. Mostly the tone.

>>2033627
... Have you ever even seen a Batman cover?
Shit's almost always "messed up".

Villains almost always stand victious on the cover of a comic they're in.

Nobody cares.

>>2035439
>Hurr durr you're a virgin!

Found the feminist.

>>2035444
>They feel that because they weren't allowed to vote until the 1920's...
Correction, useless women with no worth to themselves couldn't vote until the 1920's.
Female land owners, which weren't uncommon at all, could vote the same as men since forever.
And ALL WOMEN got to vote before ALL MEN, since female suffrage allowed female nativa americans to vote when it took 4 more years for politicians to decide maybe male natives desserved a voice too.

>>2027964
bless you child but you are throwing pearls at swine. nobody on this board wants to actually think and challenge their own beliefs, they want an echo chamber for them to laugh at people who are not like them.

>>2035952
The virgin insult is thrown by everyone, quit whining about feminists.

>>2036142
You would like that wouldn't you, feminist?

I can't even think of the last time I heard someone use virgin as an insult besides a feminist. Probably High School. Normal adults aren't that fucking juvenile.

>>2036406
He's right, virgin is thrown around by everyone, and normal adults can be that juvenile. Quit being paranoid.

>>2036406
You don't go outside much, do you?

>>2036477
I spent 4 years in the Navy. I currently attend university. I get out plenty. Adults don't throw that insult around unless they're immature shit stains.

>>2036497
>unless they're immature shit stains.

Hey bud you realize you're on an anonymous image board right?

>>2036511
Well, yeah, but that doesn't mean I can't call people out for it.

>>2022010
>people who criticized the cover received threats, not the other way around
>threats to ruin someone's reputation and their chances at future employment don't count as threats

>>2021845 I don't get this controversy...
The only reason why this is "an issue' is because feminazis made it an issue, all these so called feminists are doing is creating an even bigger gap between equality and inequality.
Honestly if you know anything about DC you would know batman has had lots of "controversial" covers, covers that didn't receive a shitstorm of hate... Why ? you may ask, well let me explain.
Take this cover for example if you would replace Batgirl with let's say Robin in exactly the same way than there wouldn't be an issue, in other words the only reason why this is an issue is because it's a girl instead of a boy.
Alan moore is just a sincere equal rights kinda guy, i bet when he made this cover he didn't even question it's controversy he just made it the way he would if it was batman.
I bet most people saw this cover and didn't even think about a sexual undertone in the first place, really the only sexists in this whole debate are the sjw's and the feminazis drawing attention to an issue they created.

>>2037260
Rafael Albuquerque sorry i'm an idiot

>>2021845
Since when did rape become the top tier crime for these people?
why do they worship rape like this?
They act like rape is worse than murder, genocide and torture combined

>>2039686
People literally call dicks the the most frightening weapon, anon.

Where were you when the patriarchy terrorized women with dicks? Barely controlling your rapist urges, no doubt.

>>2036074

Also keep in mind men couldn't vote either unless they were also land owners. Women have been able to vote until the 1500s. Suffragetes did accomplish giving women of every background the right to vote, except for PoC which came later.

It's called cultural marxism and it's the source of all the liberal bias and tumblr retardation you can see pretty much everywhere.
They basically want to indoctrinate people and subvert culture, and to make sure you eat their bullshit or at least yield and play along with it, they censor everything "conflictive" and shut down anyone who opposes them, of course, they decide what's conflictive, like that cover in the op, that got pulled out for being "sexist" and "literally rape".
>>2021850
Round like 50 people on twitter or some other bullshit social network (your numbers will grow rapidly) and be as loud and obnoxious as possible, adress the people you want to censor as "rapists", "bigots", "racists", "white supremacists" and whatever buzzwords that paint them as "evil", do the same to everyone that succesfully proves that you are a twat full of shit.
Tell people how the content of these "evil bigots" is nothing but hateful trash and you are literally considering suicide to escape the oppression, while at the same time doxxing, sending death threats and getting fired those horrible people getting in the way of progreshun.
And done, if the guy you want to shut down breaks and complies, you cease to torment him , if he does not, you ruin his live, reputation and carreer, in both cases you have it your way, and it always works.

>>2021845
think this is all bullshit. Its time that people with some grey cells left slap those paranoid bitches until they realize that their FEELINGS are not more important that FREEDOM.
Heck, I don't like to play dead or alive too because the huge tits irritate me. But I don't fucking go on the internet, whine, shame men for their sexuality and nag until the game devs are forced to change it. There's games/comics/media that is made for guys that like to look at huge tits. There are also books made for girls to fantasize about vampire pecks, so what.

Its not like anything in the world has to appeal to everybody.
Also, not every woman in media represents ALL WOMEN EVER OMG.
Kids are not more important than adults, safety is not more important than fun, and feelings are not more important than facts

feminism used to be good, now it just sucks.
I work in the games industry and males that don't know me yet are afraid of me because they assume I agree with Anita fucking Jewkeesian. Not all women are victim-playing fucktards with no concept or reality.
Artistic freedom and freedom of speech must remain untouched, yadda yadda
waffles

>>2033695
>lizardpeople
Some faggot watches steven universe.