/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

It depends on how much you advertise it. And if you're a girl or a boy

better than 98% of /ic/

$50

>>2020384
You don't need that amount of skill to earn a lot through a patreon account, it's all about pandering and building a community of devote followers, meaning you can't draw anything that would offend a group of people or not bend down to your followers' requests.

>>2020387
This. As much as I absolutely hate to pull the girl card, I feel like that's affected how many followers she's gotten. Besides that, Sakimichan knows how to advertise and get her name out there well, and she's definitely good at her work.

It also depends on how much of that quality of work you can pump out in as short a time frame as possible.
>Is this good?
I think so, it's at least pleasant on the eyes, although the line quality bothers me at some places (that breast pressed against the arm bugs me).

I don't know shit about patreon, but that is absolutely fucking horrible.

>>2020409
>but that is absolutely fucking horrible

I feel the same way, but not because it's painted badly. The subject matter is just not very ambitious, yet another topless cute girl painted from reference making animu eyes at the viewer.

That said, I also feel the same about Samikichan and people eat that shit up so... yeah. There's a big difference between art that artists like, and art that everyone else likes.

>>2020406
Did sakimichan make this?

>>2020417
>There's a big difference between art that artists like, and art that everyone else likes.
Yes. Not enough of us here seem to understand that.

>>2020419
I don't know actually, I meant to allude to the fact that it's similar and that might be what the above anons were talking about. I edited my post poorly and left out some important bits though. That said, the work does look similar to her style.

>>2020406
>And if you're a girl or a boy

Not really, the 3 highest paid artists on patreon after Sakimichan are 2 men. Sakimichan is a phenomenon, no one knows what happened there and why her Patreon just doesn't stop growing, but no other female artist comes even remotely close to her success. No other female artist on Patreon comes close to Kronprinz' success either.

>>2020433
Yeah but if you're a girl it's way easier to get the the point where you are making money. It's easier to gain once you have a group of followers already.

>>2020417
I meant that AND that it is painted poorly. It's not even from reference, it's traced. The colors are awful, the brushes, the lines, everything is horrible and on top of that the subject is ugly and childish.

.... I like it.

>>2020435
Can you list a few female artists who have such an easy time making money compared to their male counterparts of equal skill / fame?

>>2020384
It looks like someone traced over a picture of some random girl and gave her miku hair.

Are there any proofs that sakimichan is actually a gril?

>>2020464
I can but I don't know if you understood what I meant. i feel like girls have an easier time obtaining followers and getting noticed, especially if they draw "cute" things. I feel like guys have to work harder to get noticed.

>>2020470
She has a pic on her facebook and she has done voiceover videos. I don't see why it would matter that much

>>2020472

I hate to break it to you but your feelings don't have any real empirical value.

>>2020481
Oh

Shouldn't underestimate the value of polishing and finishing touches. What the picture needs is details, a bright, secondary light source, exaggerated reflections, textures and chromatic aberration.

>>2020472
So what's the logical conclusion to Kron and Jeph making more patreon money than any female artist other than Sakimichan? They are that much more hard working? Are you serious? I can name dozens of great female artists who are far better skill-wise than either of those guys and don't have a fraction of their followers.

>>2020502
Name them.

>>2020384
Is this shoop'd from something?

>>2020507
I'm not going to spend my evening naming all the female artists I've seen who are better than Jeph and Kron. that'd be about every female professional artist in the world.

>>2020515
super boring and stupid.

>>2020507
I mean, are you seriously doubting that there are dozens of female artists better and less famous than those 2? I am talking about Jeph Jaques here, the guy who does the webcomic Questionable Content and the russian weeb who paints over photographs and traces anime screenshots.

>>2020516

Better than anything either of those 2 artists in question has ever done you fucking moronic retard. I'm not letting you change the goalposts here.

>>2020472
No, it doesn't matter. The only reason I can think is that men would draw girls that appeal to men while women would draw cute girls without making it sexual thus getting fans among both men and women. But this doesn't seem to be true also because in sakimichans case, her work is pretty sexual.

>One of the popular Patreon artists is a girl
>"GIRLS GET MORE MONEY AND ATTENTION, GEEZ."

>>2020384
>How much I can make on patreon if I could paint like this?
My patreon calculator concludes that you will earn 34.24523 USD a day and also you're a faggot

>>2020522
I'm not sure who is more pathetic, tumblr feminists constantly victimizing themselves or 4chan neckbeards doing the exact same thing. I fucking hate people who constantly have to play the victim of circumstance.
"bohoo the patriarchy is keeping me down"
"bohoo if only I was a woman I'd make lots of money with my art"

>>2020522
Yeah, I really don't understand why this keeps coming up. I've always had gril avatars and name on my dA and such and I don't think it ever brought me any extra acknowledgement, in fact at most it's only ever caused me trouble, and I actually started having more success once I withheld that information.

>>2020516
1/10
Made me reply.

>>2020520
thats boring.

Alright, but with sakimichan though, you guys fail to account for this: How many artists, male or female or (whatever tumblr concieved gender that's hot right now) frequently draw guys sexualized or ideally attractive?

>>2020384
Lacks light values
Lacks neon glow on skin
Dull background lacks neon colors and lights
Black unfinished feeling lineart not sexy, looks like WIP
Boobs blocked with arms so you cant make a nude version easily for extra moneys

Conclusion: alot less than Sakimi

>>2020641
I can think of many, but all from Japan or China.

And then there's people like Artgerm or whatever who definitely can draw attractive men, but mainly stick with women.

>>2020388
>$50
Nigga, I make more than that from mediocre furry porn.

>>2020384
>>2020394
>>2020406
Let's clear this up, patreon isn't just welfare for artists. Saki does well because she puts up genuine content as benchmark rewards. Tutorials should be readily available, comissions as milestones, etc.
It also helps that she can draw cute, which few artists of a comparable level can manage.

>pic
Your back grounds basic as fuck but the subject matter is well executed.

Could you post the original photo please?

>>2020714
Fuck, post got cut off.

Girls will have an easier time getting to the basic earning point, purely because porn drawn by a woman is hotter than porn drawn by a man in the mind of the neckbeard.

One contributing factor to saki is the snowball effect of fame and people trying to get at her tutorials to emulate her work/ earn the same kinda money.

>>2020722
You could always ask a girl to help you setup a female persona, if needed...

>>2020762

>implying you'd need a girl's help to set up a convincing female persona

at most you'd need selfies to attention whore with

I have to pretend to be a man to make more money.
Otherwise, people hit on you when they find out you're a girl.

They get clingy and expect you to be friends with them so you'll draw free shit for them.

>>2020789
Everyone expects free drawings, it's also customary to give mates rates to repeat customers.

>>2020789
I have this problem with furries.

They like my porn and think my characters are hot, but as soon as they find out I'm a woman, they're all "ew, vagina."

>>2020406
>the "girl" card

for some female artists i can understand saying this, but sakimichan hardly ever talks about being a girl unlike other artists. even on her deviantart about section she's not listed as either a male or female. in fact people i've talked to haven't even realised that she's a girl until i've told them so.
i think this is something i can actually admire about her, being a female hasn't helped her as much as it has for many other people.

>>2020819
The name implies it.

>>2020384
This looks familiar.

>>2020850
ABANDON THREADはいいいいいいい

>>2020850
The plot thickens.

>>2020796
>Everyone expects free drawings
Not if they respect you.

And who has less respect than a woman?

A nigger that's who. Yoko was right.

>>2020850
muahaha

>>2020850
FUCK YES!! MORE DRAMA! LET'S DO IT

>>2020384
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>>2020852
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>>2020857

>Implying you don't use references

I use references all the time, what's the big deal?

>>2020860
That background at least is clearly traced.

>>2020860

>>2020860

You use reference(s) to aid properly form the initial mental image you already had in your head. In other words, you Frankenstein the shit together. You don't copy from a photo exactly unless you're doing studies.

>>2020863
>>2020862

Okay, now I'm mad. Release the hounds.

That left index finger is driving me fucking crazy just how small it is. And where the hell is her right thumb? And that perspective, where the hell is her body going? Her left arm is awkwardly positioned and ridiculously dis-proportioned to the rest of her body.

That giant right arm should be just enough to balance out the rest of the garbage, though.

>>2020863

Hey didn't Sakimi frown on Kron for doing the same thing? So this makes her a hypocrite.

>>2020870

What relation does the OP image have to do with Sakimichan?

>>2020860

There isn't nothing wrong per se, it's just morally iffy and that alone is enough to get a bunch of faggots with a bone to pick to cause a shitstorm. But at the very least it isn't the best way to develop as an artist.

Honestly it isn't THAT big a deal. The only place I've seen that takes shit like that kind of seriously is school, and even then there is no law against being "inspired" by something. But it opens yourself up to internet drama and the kinds of people needing only the filmiest of reasons to start shit.

>>2020873
Well didn't she draw the OP?

Yeah, it's all just manipulated and traced.

>>2020876
>Well didn't she draw the OP?

Where the flying fuck did you get that idea?
No, she didn't draw that.

>>2020876
Based of the dozens of sakimi threads we get here, it's pretty obvious that it isn't her. Her stuff has exaggerated lighting and colors, sameface with broken forms, and (c)sakimi all over the thing.

>>2020881
So kr0n 101 then

>>2020885

Kron copied. He didn't cut the images up and trace them.

>>2020860
I actually have no problem with the ops image, it's just polite to mention that you used a photograph when you talk about your painting.

>>2020903
>polite to mention
It's one thing if you use reference. If you use it the right way, and are studying multiple images to get the info you need but still drawing from your own knowledge and understanding, that's not worth mentioning. If you copy a reference to a T and add your own detail on top of it, you should definitely mention you used a photo. If you lay down a photo and literally draw on top of it, and even whatever minor "changes" you make are you just using the transform tool to rotate pieces of the photo, and the stuff you ad-lib on top of it still betrays your lack of skill, then you shouldn't even bother posting the picture let alone mentioning you "referenced" a photo.

>>2020908
I made this, plz don't steal

>>2020850
Wow, that is a cute ass model. All hate on Sakimi aside, anyone know what's the models name?

>>2020850
>yfw you realize that nigga couldn't even do his own face and hand
pic related

>>2020974
lenfried, apparently

>>2020974
She's asian, she's not all that cute

>>2020980
Holy shit, can you overlay it?

>>2020384
>that lineart

Broken wacom driver detected. Or just plain shit.

>>2020984
So asians aren't cute? Especially the brighter skin races (chinese, korean japanese, etc)?

>>2020986
Too lazy. Just open them both up in different tabs and switch between em. It's identical.

>>2020980
tip top kek

>>2020988
Yeah, I don't find them cute.

>>2020988
>tfw all this time you thought you were a qt due to half asian half white heritage ..... ;-;

Guess /ic/ is gonna get the word out then. May as well make a list of artists exposed by /ic/, starting with Kr0nprinz.

>>2020988
Asians are one of the steering wheel races.

either at 2 or 10

but who is this artist? i reverse image searched but nothing came up

>>2020980
Wow, you found the exact one that they traced.

>>2021002
Do a gif, if you can. It's much easier to see them switching back and forth.

>>2020994
Don't listen to that psycho, half asians are the qtest. The majority of my top 5-10 favorite/hottest celeb picks are all mixed asian, doesn't have to be white either, can be any mix.

>>2021004
just do it yourself lazy bummm

>>2021006
:3
i don't look all that asian though. only a little because i'm mostly vietnamese

>>2020993
Well personal taste, can't argue with that. But the thing I like about Asians' faces is how it doesn't have much contrast. A lot of Anglo-sax models' faces have a really "bold" look on their facial features, mainly the eyes and nose. Of course there are exceptions, but a lot of asian models seem to be leaning toward the one I said.
>>2021006
Never said anything about half asians. Personally I'm not too into the weird mixes, like puerto rican and asian. But white/asian is decent I suppose.

>>2021004
It's terrible quality because all I've got is my crappy Photoshop to make gifs, but it's good enough.

>>2021011
hispanic/asians just look like phillipinos

>>2021011
in all honesty i'd say i'm a 6. slightly above average but not by much. anyways who is this artist of the op pic? i don't think it is sakimichan and i can't find it when i reverse image search

who gives a shit

>>2021018
7.5 for me. But anyway, I'm derailing the thread. Sorry about that guys. Let's go back to exposing who ever this is

>>2021020
Sakimichan pls

>>2021018
here is how you translate what you think of your own attractiveness to reality.

10-8 -> 6 or 7
7-6 ->5
<6 -> buttfuck ugly

>>2021026
mm i'd be anywhere from 5-6. I have never been called ugly except by my mother.

>>2021026
My bad, I read wrong. I thought he was talking about the model. If it's about me I'd say I'm average, so I guess a 5.

>>2021030
cool

>>2021033
Yeah I really fucked up this thread, sorry about that guys. Maybe we should postpone the exposing? Fuck I don't know.

in all honesty i think im a 10. im extremely muscular and sexy and talented and could mop the floor with most of you guys, which i fucking promised myself that i never would anyway because ive sworn allegiance to ic and will protect you guys because i love you all very much.

>>2021026
I'm a 5. I've been told if my eyes were farther apart I'd be better looking. I also have a very big forehead which i used to hide with long hair. I'm also kind of dumpy, and out of shape.

I actually used to draw all my self portraits with my eyes farther apart and higher up until recently. Now I'm too good at drawing to have that excuse. I'm just average.

and my mother thinks I'm handsome for what it's worth.

>>2021037
ic-tan can you please show me a picture of you with your arm locked and straight down? i need it for reference please

>>2021038
i have never done a self portrait before. i will try

>>2021038
Well you can be the ugliest motherfucker in the world and your mother will still think your handsome, that's just how mothers are.

>>2021041
its a great feeling doing your first good self portrait. you are a better model than anyone else.

>>2021044
refer to >>2021029

>>2021039
cant do it im in a no ref zone at the moment which means i wont draw with ref and i cant help anyone out with refs either because you shouldnt be drawing with ref either theres a time for study and a time to rock out with your cock out and right now its time to whip out that dick and see what you can do with it.

>>2021048
okay i have been doing mostly no-ref pics but thank you for the encouragement i will do it thx

Did Sakimi even draw this?

>>2021095
It's clearly not her.

>>2021095
i don't think so. we're trying to figure out who did

>>2021095
No. You can tell because there's no neon lighting and hand hiding.

Reverse image search comes up with nothing though.

>>2021099
maybe op made it (^:

>>2021095
As other anons have said, no.

>>2021100
>maybe op traced it (^:
ftfy

>>2021014
>>2021017

How long till i get as good at this at drawing so i can start making money?

>>2021146
half a month because it's literally traced.
Although I will say good luck in court for even attempting to make money off of things like this.

>>2021156
So I don't get it, I mean this is traced so I get how you could get in trouble for making money off this. But its only illegal because the variable of the photographer is there right? Thus making it stealing. I mean, what if you sat down in front of a model, and made a fully rendered piece and attempted to sell it? Then it wouldn't be illegal, right?

>>2021168
Or copying your own photos, I guess.

>>2021168
>>2021169
I mean, I wonder if the photographer has the permission himself to trace this photo if you wanted to. I'm just wondering how the legalities work there.

>>2021168
>if you sat down in front of a model, and made a fully rendered piece and attempted to sell it? Then it wouldn't be illegal, right?
Right. This is what Alex Ross does, and many old-timey illustrators used to do. The thing is they are still conceptualizing the piece, setting up the lighting and the poses, and they still would embellish and idealize and tailor the look as they saw fit. But even if they just replicated their reference exactly, they still created their own reference, so essentially it's the same as drawing up thumbnails or doing a rough sketch, because they're generating the image themselves. If you take someone else's photo and paint on top of it, it's stealing, painting a little bit on top of a photo you took and claiming to have painted the whole thing, while legal, is still cheesy and people probably will still see through it even without access to your original photo.

>>2021014
That explains why the boob was bugging me, it's the only part the artist didn't trace (besides the hair) so it's fucked up. More annoying now is that the new hair made the head like 20% larger. Can't unsee.

>>2021014
>>2021002
Jesus Christ, this is embarrassing.

Holy shit, I fucking hate you, OP.

>>2021203
Flat girls are better anyways.

>>2021203
The hand is fucked up too

>not being able to tell it's traced by looking at the line work
seriously. There's almost no command of form.

this is just pathetic

>>2021247
The brickwork is hilarious.

>>2020517
If you want to complain they don't have more exposure then expose them.

>>2020967
Itsa me, mona lisa.

>>2020885
But atleast Kr0n just redrew it without tracing. Now this...THIS is just straight up tracing a photo.

>>2020850
You know this shit is so traced when you can do an iqdp search and it pulls up the traced image.

>>2020517
huey , magic the gathering

How do you guys paint? i can do the drawings but i paint like a 4th grader , any tips i can swallow or recommended videos to watch?

>>2021146
Even though its traced, its gonna take a good while to get to that level of rendering.

>>2021552
That wasn't my point whatsoever you moron. Some guy wrote women have it that much easier than men at making money. I mentioned Kron and Jeph, 2 guys who make a shitton of money and are way worse than plenty of artists who are much more skilled and happen to be female. That's it. Stop implying shit I never said.

>>2020472
This is mostly false because
>>2020470

I'm a gril that draws porn. My followers probably don't believe me, because why would I put my face or voice to that?
We covered this in a porn thread a while back.

Exceptions are when a qt girl with ample cleavage also mixes in selfies to their blog, but the same can be said for cute guys and how they gain hordes of teen girl fans.

>>2021663
>cute guys and how they gain hordes of teen girl fans.

>tfw you're too hideous and camera shy to gain hordes of attention from teen girls
>tfw you're no Justin Beaver.

>>2021674
Oh yeah? Try being Black. Doesn't matter if you're cute or not, just try posting a selfie and see if 99% of replies aren't some variation of 'niggorilla'. It's alright though, just means the art has to stand on its own, like it should.

>>2021709
>Try being black

You know white women want your bbc. You know that right?

>>2021709
Nobody has said anything about my race and I have my identity wide open.

>>2021712
>>2021717
If you say so.

>>2021709
Actually ive seen black artist post selfies of them selves. No negative comments.

Its only on shit holes like 4chan where racism thrives.

>>2021730
>No negative comments.
That's because racists get banned doing that stuff publicly. You'd usually see that stuff in private messages, emails, and of course on 4chan (tumblr too if you're white).

>>2021748
>Racism will not be tolerated
>Any racist comments will be moderated on sight and immediately
>Now when a black artist gets racist comments on a self-portrait, nobody believes him because there is no evidence

PROGRESS!

>>2021748
>muh waycism!

There's no such thing, only a lack of knowledge and education and a stereotype derived from lack of wisdom and experience.

>>2021764
>There's no such thing.

Racism is a PRODUCT of lack of knowledge and education nimrod. Of course it exists. And the general masses, are uneducated as fuck.

>>2021730
>Its only on shit holes like 4chan where racism thrives
I'd have to strongly disagree. I didn't mean to kick off a whole race debate though, but it gives me the topest of keks whenever someone says they don't want to post pics cuz they think they're ugly or they're shy. I don't really think the whole gril selfie thing helps that much with gaining followers unless maybe they're taking suggestive pics or something, but I seriously don't see it working for a black girl, but like I said I don't really think it works.
Besides nobody still said where the op pic came from, we don't even know who the artist is, so how did we even get on what they are/aren't doing for gains?

>>2021002
>take a photo
>draw outline
>fuck around with blending layers a bit and add some soft gradient/brushstrokes and highlights
>draw the hair
>post on a non-japanese and preferably low-powerlevel weeaboo space (so no one recognizes the model)
>instant success

>>2021774
So what are you waiting for to become an overnight success? Should be easy, right?

While you're at it make a money train thread, recruit a bunch of people into a secret group, and copy what sakimi and kr0n is doing because it's so easy.

Racism is both good fun, and the result of a robust education.

You don't want to know a world without racism. All the hugging and togetherness would get old very quickly.

>>2021730
>Its only on shit holes like 4chan where racism thrives.

has nothing to do with 4chan and everything to do with anonymity. It's not socially acceptable to be racist right now; it gets you fired and outcast from society, ect. But everyone is racist instinctively. Studies show that even people who don't think they're racist actually are on the level of their physiological responses to different races, often more than people who admit they're racist. When someone's anonymous, they're more likely to let their social filters down.

though posting nigger comments on black people's selfies is probably more just trolls than actual expressions of racism. so many people on the internet fly into histrionics over racism; it's just fun to watch.

>>2021764

>>2021783
>though posting nigger comments on black people's selfies is probably more just trolls than actual expressions of racism.

It is an actual expression of racism, just not an effective one. It's just an expression for powerless people. Online trolls are powerless people. Which is why they troll online for attention in the first place.

>>2020384
>OP thinks that skill has anything to do with patreon money instead of drama

>>2021783
Even if you don't get upset by race themed comments on your selfies, even if you get no comments on your selfies at all, you're not gonna get the kind of attention that supposedly Sakimi and whoever else get from it, so one way or another I still say that shit wouldn't work for a black person.
>>2021804
This is actually hilarious.

>>2021783
I agree. Everyone is racist that's why we have to learn to be racist and have good fun wih it, together. Gran Torino style.

The very mindset among most of the shrieking retards who feign tolerance, is pretty much a psychological form of fear-pee. You can read the stockholm syndrome in their every word and action when they start weighing in on issues and leveling blame, oddly enough, almost entirely on the basis of race.

>>2021804
kek

>>2021818
>Everyone is racist

Everyone has a preference for their own. Everyone isn't out to disenfranchise another group to make sure their group can't be one upped. What's the point of competition if you cripple your opponents before the match? It's like intentionally getting your opponent sick before they enter the ring. It only shows how weak you are.

Racism =/= preference for one own.

So is anyone going to ever say where this picture came from?

>>2021865
It's pretty obvious Sakimichan did this, just look at all the damage control from all the sakimifags in this thread I wouldn't be surprised if Sakimi herself was doing this, I thought I saw something like this on the "more from deviant art" box with her name on it.

Sakimifags just can't get enough of her dick.

>>2020850
My godess Sakimi, WHY? I thought she was based :(

>>2021874
But that's not even her signature, is it? She always marks her stuff with a watermark for her webpages too. And I'm not the biggest fan of her work but she doesn't trace. I don't know man, I really don't think this was her. I'm starting to wonder if op or someone op knows made this to test the waters.

>>2021833
Yes I also agree with you, so how do you like that, asshole?

Anything seemingly arbitrary that keeps us apart and subsequently makes funny things appear out of thin air, I agree with.

Does anyone else remember the times where /ic/ condemned this sort of forced drama?

We're starting to reach /cgl/ in terms of gossiping.

>>2021979
Actually I remember /ic/ shitposting and gossiping about other artists for as long as I can remember, the only recent phenomenon to hit /ic/ now is an increase of muh feels thread.

>>2021991
that feel when you gotta take a fat shit but you wanna keep drawing.

>>2021037
So sexy kawaii desu cutesybeard <3! And dat hair rules!

>>2021992
Take it with you duuhh

>>2021979
It can't be helped. We relegated actual critique of the users created content to the three/four drawthreads (regular, alternative, beginner and porn), and severely reprehend whoever dares to post outside them. Questions are technically not confined to the questions thread, but most people post them there anyways. Even digital drawing materials can't be discussed, even though most people here draw digitally.
Not much left to do with the rest of the board beside gossiping really.

>>2020384
It was obvious to me that it was traced the moment I looked at those rocks.

Look at that smudged-ass texture on the rocks and the sloppy lines on top. NOBODY draws like that. It's impossible to produce such an image with normal workflow.

>>2022076
That korean guy who draws Applibot stuff with the girls who are like pudding and crazy breasts achieves pretty much the same results without photo bashing. His finished paintings always look like smudged stuff closed by a strong, unrefined, contour.

http://sitegg1122.deviantart.com/

>>2024202
Holy crap

Anybody gonna call him out?

Also, I find the lack of descriptions and comments kinda suspicious, but...

>>2024241
he aint the real deal

>>2024245
I knew something was up.

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>>2021017

Wowie op do you watch Level up?

>>2021730
Not every board is /pol/ /v/ and /b/. The majority of anons aren't like that.

>>2027634
Someone recently posted two "draw me" threads here, one with a white guy, the other a black chick. There were negative comments in both but people only drew the guy, in the other one of the first replies was a pic of a gorilla iirc. Look at the current study thread & see how many of the first few posts are shit like "that's not a pretty girl" and worse. I'd say the number of anons who'd leave a negative comment is easily the majority across 4chan but I meant posting selfies on other sites too.
But I regret bringing it up, I didn't want to start this debate.

>>2024245
>http://sitegg1122.deviantart.com/
he may just have created the deviantart profile and uploaded the pictures in a batch.

>>2021217
>flat anything on girls
>good
Pedo please

Is being really good at copying images the same as tracing?

>>2027730
Is being really good at drawing from real life the same as copying?

>>2027730
No.
>>2027731
Yes.

Death is a proper punishment to monetizing tracers.

>>2027665
Tbh only reason i didnt draw her was because she chopped off her forehead in the pic.

>>2028001
Yeah I saw the couple of comments about the face being cut off. Doesn't change the fact that most of the replies were negative comments about her being black or something to do with race in general, not many were about drawing. They didn't even ask for money or why, like they did in the other thread, they just basically said nig and left. I'm not saying everyone is racist, I'm just saying imo, here and across most the internet the majority of comments on a black person's pic will be negative, whether truly meant or not.
http://m.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/a-tale-of-two-breastfeeding-pictures-20141107-11i9y2.html

I don't know man, what if she can just copy really well? Like, I've copied from a ref really well and had people accuse of tracing as well. It feels really fucking awful when that happens, If she did it by eyeballing it I would be alot more sympathetic.

>>2028127
then you're doing it wrong anyway and you should of just traced it.

>>2028127
The main reason this seems traced is because of the lines in the body and those indicating the bricks around the pool. They have that rushed, shaky, flat look to them that traced lines tend to have. And anyone who's that good at sight copying to have the face be exactly on point in theory wouldn't have messed up the foreshortening on that index finger. The hair doesn't show the same kind of depth of understanding as the body, the curves follow no sense of gravity and weight and the rendering style there is more like cell-shaded anime while there are implied lines and soft rendering elsewhere, and if they knew how to paint form that well in general it doesn't make sense they'd make the hair so cartoony. Sure nobody has concrete proof but the drop in accuracy of things that were changed vs things that weren't says to me this person doesn't know how to draw well enough to have not traced this.

>>2028137
Oh, that makes sense. The only question I have is how do you properly use references?

>>2028144
Someone posted a great infographic here that I think explains it perfectly >>2020875

>>2020865
I like your explanation for both.

>>2028127
Because humans make mistakes and our perceptions don't allow for photocopy, pixels by pixel reproduction. And some of the information in a photo we don't need, winging it should be good enough. But I'm looking in the back part of the pool where water meets stone and I'm not impressed, it's not an accurate representation of what is really there. Anyways he didn't even bother messing with the area behind the pool, it has been left untouched for the most part and shows through in the "artist's version"

where are all these sakimi-chan accusations coming from?
the drawing is not hers, neither the signature.
i get why you get so jealous over her income, but you really gotta calm your shit.

>>2030691

Bored kids looking to start shit. Before the advent of computers these would be the kids starting bonfires in the forest or tagging up the local church or some shit.

>>2021979
>/cgl/ in terms of gossiping.
exactly why I left /cgl/ when mods banned drama

and then came here