/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2005344
that's so broad it's meaningless. japan and the west both have a lot of different styles, particularly the West, because "West" describes so many different cultures.

>>2005359
/thread

First that came to mind was Bruce Timm.
I really dig his girls and how simple and sexy he can make them; but then I remembered some Eva art he did.

And it's pretty weak in comparison.
Mainly though >>2005359

>>2005344
did you really have to make a separate thread for this?

deleted this thread and go back to your leper colony: >>2001360

>>2005359
That's kinda the point though. What makes western stylisation different? It's not that broad if you narrow it down to your favourite artists. Especially if you are looking at the more famous ones you will find that they have been a source of inspiration for many artists that came after them. Loomis would be an example as he was one of the first ones to make "how to draw" books.

As for japanese stylisation; it seems to go mostly in the anime/manga direction and that very much carries distinctive characteristics.

Also interesting to note is that more and more western cartoons seem to draw inspiration from anime nowadays. An example would be Adventure Time that takes inspiration from Studio Ghibli movies.

I think you really shouldn't dismiss the entire topic just because it may be too broad.
Just contribute to the thread and see where it goes. We aren't writing a scientific paper on a specific subject. We don't have to narrow it down. Just give an impulse and follow it.

>>2005368
That's for posting your own art. It's not a place for discussing the art of other actually successful people, nor is it a place to talk about stylisation on a meta level.

This thread would be more equal to a thread like this: >>1993199

>>2005376
>Loomis would be an example as he was one of the first ones to make "how to draw" books.

shut up you stupid weeb. god damn it.

>>2005379

>>2005385
fucking imbecile. do you know how ignorant "loomis was the one of the first to do how to draw books" sounds?
george bridgman? walt reed? edward renggli? all of those correspondence art courses that were published decades before FWAP came out? do you even know who charles bargue is?

get the fuck off my lawn, weeb.

>>2005390
interesting, thanks for the reply.

>do you know how ignorant "loomis was the one of the first to do how to draw books" sounds?

yes, i do.
and would you suggest that these guys had an impact style-wise on the later generation of artists?
i mainly mentioned loomis because of his fame and he did in fact inspire american comic book artists, for example.

The main difference I think is that western stylization often focuses on stylizing the entire figure, heavily simplifying or exaggerating the anatomy and shapes of the body. Japanese stylization tends to have relatively realistically proportioned bodies in comparison but very stylized, simplified faces.

>>2005437
faces generelly seem to play an important role in japanese stylisation as far as expression goes. their facial expressions are often quite "symbolic".

also japanese aesthetics, may explain why their stylisation looks the way it does.
one of the newer aesthetics being "kawai".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_aesthetics

I like ligne claire

>>2005437
>The main difference I think is that western stylization often focuses on stylizing the entire figure, heavily simplifying or exaggerating the anatomy and shapes of the body. Japanese stylization tends to have relatively realistically proportioned bodies in comparison but very stylized, simplified faces.
you sound retarded.

>>2005397
>and would you suggest that these guys had an impact style-wise on the later generation of artists?
yes. fucking hell, loomis was a student of bridgman and a lot of the same construction theories bridgman had are also found in loomis' books.

>i mainly mentioned loomis because of his fame and he did in fact inspire american comic book artists, for example.
as opposed to who? kirby? adams? dikto? eisner? barks? miller? kurtzman?
the only comic artist i can think that stated loomis as an influence is alex ross.

>>2005475
me too.

Aitor Throup

>>2006100

>>2006101

I love cartoon moderne but is very difficult to pull.

>>2005344
general approach to aesthetics.

Today we have lots of mixed stuff, Avatar is western but uses classic Japanese style, Wakfu is sort of mutated and dusfigured anime and certain animus do also go towards western and comic style.

If you compare this to some superman/batman chicks you'll notice that there's a different approach to hotness.
Classic western and Wakfu often had wide assed big breasted barbies, while most of anime stylization is trying to make women slim, slender and pretty. As for male characters western makes disfigured meatslabs out of men like "LOOK SO STRONG(no idea how he walks through the door)" while Japanese make muscular men look like swimmers and athletes they might be very fit, but never buffed like bodybuilders.

As for faces and noses you may notice that Japs go for sharp lines to define mouth and nose and their chins are very often sharp. Which corellates with slenderness of body.

>>2005363
I am sorry but this is fucking horrible.
He used official art and poorly traced the body and hair and then he applied his own monstrous face.

>>2005363
>that face
ooga booga

>eastern [Japan]
The one thing I can sling about this is that Japanese models tended to be really thin, so their girls in the animes looked the same way.
They dont lack skill in drawing, however it is limiting to them

>>2006195
>but never buffed like bodybuilders
the people in this thread don't know shit and make huge generalizations

>>2006216
Jojo and Fist of Northern Star are ones of rare exceptions. And both are ancient. Jojo is kinda like the last mamonth it's still alive, but don't forget that it's very old.

And lol it still isn't as overbuffed as western goes.

>>2006218
lol fist of the north star was terrible, but extremely entertaining.

>>2005629
>You sound retarded.

Man, if you are too stupid to participate in an argument and clearly have nothing to say, why do you have to write something in the first place just to embarass yourself?

>>2006110
Anon, do you mind sharing something with this kind of style? The art has a sweet, charming feel to it and I would love to see more example with this.

>>2006198

>>2006225
Anything with Mary Blair involved.

>>2006195
>Japs go for sharp lines to define mouth and nose and their chins are very often sharp
That's more of a nineties/early 2000 aesthetic, which your image is also related to. Most modern anime have a much rounder stylization to them, and studios like Xebec have been giving women intentionally fuller frames. There's a larger amount of variation with manga but it's almost too much being published to make a general assumption of. There have also been a number of series with hypermuscular characters over the years but most of them are for the seinen, bara or are made majorly by hentai artists for doujinshi series. In regular stuff like shounen they exist but it's more like a character archetype.

>>2006197
>>2006198
B-but muh different western aesthetics...!

>>2006227
damn, that's actually cool as fuck.
10/10

>>2006242
Unless you're talking about that fat fetish pandering show Xebec's general design is still slim girls fith fine and pronounced but not oversized features which is still prevailent in anime.

And ofcourse there's too much exceptions to generalize everything, but I suppose this still isthe main stream of style in anime.

>>2006223
it's you weebs that are embarrassing yourselves. i don't even like anime but even i know a lot of generalizations being made about it in this thread are wrong. most shonen don't even conform to the shit you were talking about.
you're all clearly clueless about japanese art history. you probably don't even know who hokusai is. the influence of japanese art on the "west" is far older than the 1990s. read a book instead of masturbating to hentai.

>>2006270
>I took off my helmet so that you can have your way with me

Western has dick sucking lips.
Its my one true weakness

>>2006323
piggy nose

>>2006323
that would be an okay drawing if the nose wasnt hideous.

>>2006328
It just needs a heavy tumblr blush to finish it off.

>>2006311
Now that I think about it keeping a helmet on could be very intertaining.

>>2006324
>>2006328
True.

I like the combos of sweet Eastern and spicy Western

>>2006347
Like fucking a poweranger with the hemlet on?

>>2006323
Western lips are disgusting.

I have some crazy theories, but fuck it, I'm anonymous.

Anime is what it is and really appeals to Japanese, Asians and Asians abroad because the faces are structured with the Asian rounded jawline.
Asians see them as Asians. Westerners see westerners or asians since it's stylization, so fuck it.

Americans are obsessed with violence, sex and being the big strong man because their men mutilate their own dicks out of fear of masturbation.
Babies are circumcised without anesthesia and are psychologically harmed when it comes to violence and sex. Their penises being mutilated leads to them to feel self-confidence from watching muscled fantasy men fight with swords and guns.

>>2006405

ayy lmao

>>2006437
That image is fucking idiotic. You can just as easily find examples that prove the opposite, especially if you disregad the different angle of the head like in the image you posted. Obviously a woman with more manly facial features, at a strong side-view angle will have a more bumpy outline than a much younger, child-like face from a slightly tilted front view.

>>2006437
>Americans are obsessed with violence and sex

Fuck off weeaboo retard, were you short changed at the used panty machine recently?

>>2006463
>Americans are obsessed with violence and sex
>Implying that's wrong

Americuck pls go be fat somewhere else

>>2006463
so eastern has better creativity and imagination? seems right.

>>2006467
>implying Japan isn't far more obsessed with sex than America, or any other country for that matter

Are we seriously having this argument right now? Japan is fucking infamous for their depraved sexuality.

>>2006225
More by the same artist, Ed Benedict

>>2006468
If your idea of creativity is Deviantart tier OC, then yeah, I guess so.

>>2006470

>>2006472

>>2006469
Are you seriously implying that "BIG TITS, BLOOD AND GUNS" isn't America's image?

>>2006473

>>2006475

>>2006478
That's all

>>2006474
It is, but are you seriously implying that BIG TITS, BLOOD AND GUNS is more depraved and sexual than japanese doujins, used-panty vending machines and the fact that you can buy pocket vaginas and boypussies of anime characters in regular stores?

>>2006483
Yes :c)

>>2006467
>americuck

That's funny, see pic if you want to know what cuckoldry looks like you no guns faggot.

>>2006474
When your supposed 'image' is the product of an international community comprised of effeminate europeans whom won't even exist in two generations because they're butt-sluts for immigrants and low test asians I suppose it can't be helped.

>>2006491
shut up nerd

Poor Japan.

The only Japanese males that survived were the soft upper class, those too weak to fight, and those so cowardly they found a way out.

Imagine what that must do to a gene pool. Remove the brave, the daring, and the strong and imagine what you get.

I'd feel bad for Germany too but they got strong Russian and American seed to actually improve them as a people when all the worthwhile German men gave their lives in defense of their nation.

The day Japan comes out from underneath America's umbrella of protection will be a sad one. There's one pissed off chink just staring across the pond, lifting and waiting.

>>2006324
>>2006328
How is it bad?

>>2006242
>>2006479
Thanks anon

>>2006277
not that guy you're replying to but you need to chill out with that projecting.

>>2006195
This post is making a lot of incorrect assumptions about the stylization of body types. Just as there is variety in American stylization there are just as many varieties in Japanese stylization.

If anything, I will say that, in general, figures in Japanese manga tend to be more on the angular side. Meanwhile in Korean manhwa they tend to be more round. Some women tend to be more round and soft in a very American comics, but on the whole, especially in super hero comics, women tend to look very masculine.

>>2006469
Japan is fucking infamous for their depraved sexuality.

America is infamous for their depraved violence. I mean, really.

>>2007477
America isn't even close to being the most violent place though, and you have to consider that half of all violent crime is perpetrated by the male half of the black race (7 percent of the population or so) so that hardly counts. Eurocucks and Asians are just afraid of guns and individualism so they make snide remarks about Americans from oceans away like the beta orbiters they are.

>>2007515
"individualism" bitch please, Americans are just their governments lil' sheep bitches

>>2007515
You've obviously never been to oakland, stupid fuck.

>>2007562
you've obviously never been outside of oakland.

>>2006195

>>2006242
>mary blair
my fucking nigga

>>2005363
My god just ruined the character for me. Those eyes...

>>2007472
I could never understand making women look masculine.

>>2006348
Reminds me of Ghost in the Shell

>>2006437
Lol wtf? The cosplay girl isnt even at the right fucking angle. Shes practically looking at the camera head on.

>>2009304
It's more like Koreans/Japanese exaggerate the femininity than making them look more masculine.

I can't even recall an artist who draws the women more masculine looking.

>>2006195
It sounds like you have shit taste.

>>2009348
>>2009304
You can still have masculine features and be feminine.

The most important part of character design is the silhouette. If a woman has a small waist, in comparison to her hips, she will look more feminine. She can have muscles and still look feminine if you keep that in mind

This goes for the face as well, and how the features are placed on it. If the eyes are large, mouth and nose are small (still you can tweak these things)
You can have masculine features like large brows or a square jaw, and still look feminine.

I often see western artists who get caught up on small details, like big breasts/butts, full lips, long hair... and completely ignore the silhouette.
Thus making broad-shouldered, "manly" looking females, even though all of the secondary sexual characteristics are there.

>>2009378
>You can still have masculine features and be feminine.
And you don't know the word "more" means. If it makes it clearer, masculinity/femininity works on a damn spectrum. No body saying it's either completely masculine or feminine.
>I often see western artists who get caught up on small details, like big breasts/butts, full lips, long hair... and completely ignore the silhouette.
Mind posting some (modern) examples? Saying modern because you shouldn't be using lesser experienced comic book artists.

>>2009304
Because my dick.

>>2009385
I just chimed in, I'm not anyone you were talking to before.
There are just some things that are very feminine that are hard to skimp out on. As in, having a low hip/waist ratio, and having a more neotenous face.
You can push these however you'd like, but it takes artistic discretion to see if it's within the range of being good or sub-par. That's something you can't really explain but anyone with an "artists' eye" would be able to see instantly.

To some it may not seem like a hard task to create an attractive female, but others just don't really understand more than the surface level when it comes to design.

>Mind posting some (modern) examples? Saying modern because you shouldn't be using lesser experienced comic book artists.
I don't read comics or get into too much western media, I'm not interested. I just see the problems in the art industry just by being in it.
My post wasn't mean to spark a serious debate, I was only stating my opinion on what I've experience and seen.

>>2007392
i'm not projecting since i actually know what i'm talking about.

unlike everyone else in this thread.

>>2009397
>I just chimed in, I'm not anyone you were talking to before.
Likewise.

I'm not even sure what you're going on about, but regardless I'm not the person you should be telling that to.

>>2009406
>>I'm not even sure what you're going on about
Are you really that dense?
It's not a hard concept to understand some artists just don't know how to make pretty women.

>>2009411
>Are you really that dense?
I meant that in the sense that 'I don't know what you're trying to prove here'.

I just wanted some examples of the silhouette whatever. Jesus Christ man.

>>2006195
>Weeb: The Post