/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>1975012

The same information in the old sticky.

It looks like her right knee is dislocated/broken/twisted uncomfortably

>>1975012
Hamptons, and for self taughts or people with no art experience would be nice if there was a thread on how to study, how to properly see and not let your brain decide the shape of something, etc.

>>1975029
This, and also How to use references.

>>1975012
VALUES!

A working beginners guide link is in the second link in the sticky

>>1975028
you mean the left thigh? The shape is a little strange, but a little paint would fix that right up. The right ankle/foot area is a bit weird, but that's way too much nitpicking for me :)

I'm more curious about the color scheme. But I suppose you want these images compatible for print and digital screens.

>>1975037
What do you mean?

How to Shill /ic/ 101 - By Kr0npr1nz

>>1975037
I 2nd this. The sticky needs more information on shading/light on form.

>>1975012
>>1975142
>>1975053

I mean how to get the right value, do the block thing and all, also edges, Im having a hard time with them.

>>1975012
links to Robertson's PDFs taken with a decent camera.

>>1975029
>how to study

What do you mean by that? I feel the books provided in the sticky tell you what you need to know.

>>1975160
This kind of thing, I guess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKFfSl-EBfI

>>1975160
Some things are pretty obvious for an art student but for self taught people is like and unknown land. I found this videos really helpful when understanding how to do studies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wjw2fnFTTo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFtrMzYBLvY

But there are a lot of more basic things missing in the videos, what I mean is explain it in a way that even the noobest person ever can know the proper way of doing things.

>>1975159
Render or How to Draw?

>>1975205
Why not both?

>>1975183

This was really nice, are Sycra's other videos worth watching?

>>1975029
this

>>1975258
Depends on your level, I think. But you should give his videos a try, they were really helpful for me.

>>1975043
Both of her legs are bent at crooked angles. They look too unnatural.

The colors and lighting can't compensate for bad figure anatomy.

Cmon guys lets not derail the thread

Also i think the sticky should be more visible, that velociraptor gif is cool
Also a quick FAQ with answers in form of pictures, like that one saying "everyday blah blah read the sticky"
One for talent, too old to start, etc

>>1975326
An FAQ would be great. We could have that as another separate link in the sticky, and probably link it as well in the first post of every question thread.

>>1975236
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ixh096sqsp42n42/How+to+Draw_+Drawing+and+Sketching+Objects+and+EnvironmenFrom+Your+Imagination+-+Scott+Robertson+%26+Thomas+Bertling.pdf

A step by step guide on Perspective.
Quick and dirty shortcuts on Photoshop and SAI for digital people that way they don't spend forever doing something that can be solved with a single button press.

>>1975398
>>1975326
Good idea guys
Also stablish some organization, not as in what to do first or second but as organizing the fundies.
For instance, in the perspective category, perspective made easy , scott robertson, and so on.
And the same with color, composition anatomy, values etc

So is this going anywhere?

>>1976234
It's just gathering ideas atm. There are some nice suggestions already.

www.floobynooby.com/ICG/artvalues.html

This page alone helped me a lot, and it was in the sticky.

>>1975489
>perspective
Seconded. Advanced perspective play seems to be getting more and more important

i could make the answers in forms of pictures for faq

lets start building it. give me some questions

>>1975012
How about three links total?
1. Newbies
- am I too old, do I need talent, ...
- Keys to Drawing, Betty Edwards, Loomis
- How do I study
2. General FAQ/Guide
- perspective, values, ... fundamentals
- visual library, composition, ...
- animation/illustration/comics/...
- work & pricing info
- all kinds of books/courses recommendations
3. current resource collection, the w/ic/i


+ some sort of dinosaur thingy like /fit/ to get the attention of newbies.
Do we have alternatives to the dinosaur?

>>1976518
Hamptons plssss

You should include in the FAQ that is OKAY to use reference and the proper way of using it.

Also alternative free software for begginers

>>1975487
Wow not him but thanks, I've been using that other badly scanned version with parts of the pages missing, this is gr8. The second I'm not a poor neet I'm going to buy an actual copy, dudes a legend.

The second link is still alive, there's no need to be thinking of books to add, that all goes in there

The first link should be a step by step guide
I know step by step guides are looked down on but there are certain things that everyone agrees should be done first when learning to art
Too many people go head on into Vilppu gesture but don't understand anatomy and so after wasting time they have to go study anatomy and then watch the vilppu a second time so they understand it

We should come up with an order of resources and fundamentals to be studied

Not order as in 'master these first then move onto the next thing' but instead 'spend about a day introducing yourself to these and then expand on what you feel you need to learn once you understand what you need to learn' So people don't get confused on how to improve and what they need to study.

I think it should go something like

For general drawing
>perspective, light and shadow
>how to build things from simple shapes
>values
>colour
>Organic forms
>things to improve creativity
>composition
All whilst drawing and sketching from life


For humans
>basic proportions
>anatomy
>gesture
>clothing


If you wanted to learn how to get healthy you'd want to know where to start
people will tell you that you can start anywhere
but what if you don't know your options
what if you want the fastest route as agreed by a majority

Let's discuss the fastest route to get introduced into drawing
Also an important thing is to draw what enjoy otherwise you're likely to get bored and quit
but the people looking into the sticky should be people who understand it's going to be hard and boring to git gud and not be concerned about having fun, they can implement fun in on their own. It should be purely learning

>>1976317
WTF is with that site? That's just a compilation of a bunch of resources that are already on the web, some a lot better than others. And it's not obvious to a newcomer when the tutorial changes.

Here's the source for the first segment:
http://androidarts.com/art_tut.htm

It then cuts out the last section on critique and starts some other guy's tutorial without any mentioning.

So how do we contact the mod?

>>1976876
I have no idea. I tweeted to 4chan's twitter, but got no reply & there is no general mail address on the contact page...
If I remember well, the current sticky was made by contacting /q/ but that board is gone?

>>1976886
Have you tried the irc channel?

A study guide for beginners, a FAQ, and a large repository of links to tutorials covering every subject would be ideal.

>>1976906
What site should we host the beginner's guide on? And what site for the FAQ?

Can we get a list started for the frequently asked questions?
>tablets, programs, whether to start drawing digitally or traditionally
>how to use references
>how do I draw X?

I imagine a lot of the FAQs might end up being things that are better in the beginner's guide (ex: how do I color?)

>>1976797
I didnt know this

Can you suggest me a book for anatomy? Please

>>1976886

Im worried that 4chan might die because moot left

>>1975012
For beginners:
>Which books to start first (in order, especially for Loomis since it is a FAQ)
>which books to advance to next
>good books on the basics of drawing
>correct order to progress from
>emphasize on perspective and basics

>inb4 spponfeeding "noobs"
It's extremely important to start on the right foot. I spent months struggling to begin. Also seconding an FAQ
>"is it too late to start"
>"I'm just not good enough"
>"I don't have the talent"
>"I don't have time to draw"
Etc

if there's to be anything doing, you might as well show us how it's done.

www.loomisloves.us

we can always copypaste any helpful shit into docs if the wiki doesn't pan out

how about a book list where books are listed and a little summary is given as to what the book will provide?

for the faq i would recommend a section where the benefits of art fundementals are explained as applying to anime and cartoony shit as well. might save us some headaches.

>>1975012

There needs to be a "how to give and receive critique" section, with a emphasis on "if you don't have anything helpful to say fucking don't say anything."

>>1975487
Thanks, man! this was nowhere to be found 6 months ago.

Now is a great time to begin studying this.

>>1975258
Personally I really like sycra's videos. Wouldn't say he's a particularly amazing artist but he's pretty good at giving advice and has a good perspective on art. I wish he's stop blaming right and left sides of the brain though.

>>1978280
Im glad to help

>>1975012
I would like to see the very first section to focus on developing a good attitude and what to expect when you first begin. In many threads we see the same few issues about not seeing progress within a short amount of time, over thinking things and talent. If there was something at least addressing these it might potentially alleviate some headaches and help develop good habits.

>>1975012

I would like to see some condensed guides for different art disciplines. Like you have your basics/fundamentals guide that everyone reads and from there you can go to the comics/sequential art guide or the animation guide or the illustration guide or the fine arts guide, etc etc.

>>1976797
this is awesome

>>1975012
Oldfag, here. I get the Loomy:Gentoo:SS+Gomad trolls are fun to pull on newfags, but these days it seems they don't bother with the sticky anymore. Maybe we should take down the useless loomy books for the people that actually bother. I mean, they copy it and try to construct with his proportion chart and post saying they're not improving, when books like Alla Prima is something I'd recommend as a better go-to for beginners. Followed by Scott Robertson's books and Framed ink. Also Art Spirit is a damn good read.

Also, maybe we should have a better written reference, as opposed to countless links and the painfully obvious. The /fit/ sticky knows what's up. They even have a little dancing dinosaur so people notice it. Why don't we have a dancing animal, /ic/?

>>1980725
>>1978254
Also, this. It' the point of the board. I think we should have a completely separate thing for giving crit. On the other hand, I think instead of making rude critique a banable offense, posting shit artwork and coming up with multiple excuses about why it's shit then asking for the same critique over and over again should get the ban hammer. It's hard to give crit to people who think they want it but don't, and it's shit to have people like that linger. I see it more and more.

>It's not good because my tablet is fucked up.
>It's not good because I can't afford a cintique.
>It's not good because I have ADD and can't concentrate.
>It's not good because I have real live issues.
>It's not good because it's only a doodle.

TLDR: Some people deserve to be told it's too late for them and that they should leave and never come back. It's not talent but there is a certain attitude that people who make it have.

>>1980725
>alla prima
written by who? i heard it was really expensive, anyway.

>>1978152

Is anyone going to be using this site at all? It looks like it has potential and it's bugging me that we can build a decent wiki a la /g/ /fa/ or /fit/ if we just get a few good contributors here.

>>1980746
>It's not talent but there is a certain attitude that people who make it have.

Words of wisdom

>>1980810
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/n2hcnk8qa20wmbt/AABg-_BL8tl49ReRTrXErsqja?dl=0 Every book I've recommended and a bit more.

>>1975012
Better written, more clear on what the fundamentals are, more emphasis on form, less Loomis riding.

>>1981253
Thank you.

>>1980725
>>1981006

We can get people to notice it by using a dancing Andrew Loomis head. You know, lesser artists borrow, greater artists steal.

Also I think we should start off with trying to work on one thing at a time. I think a quick FAQ covering the common bullshit questions /ic/ always gets. Shit like

>I want to draw but I have no talent wat do?
>Some fag on da/tumblr is better than me and I can't accept that
>How do I draw X?
>I'm X years old is it too late for me to start?
>I copied those loomis heads for like a day and I'm not seeing any improvements, WTF?
>So I heard that Loomis is a meme does that mean it shit?

Keep throwing ideas at the wall and see what sticks. And add it to the loomisloves.us wiki.

>>1981313
This. Hell, I'd help write it.
>>1981324
No problem, Anon.
>>1981330
Fuck yes. We should have a separate page just for QA. Also:

>"This is breaking some m-muhh rules, does it mean it's bad art?"
>"Was Hitler really bad at art?"
>"I don't have more than 1 hour in a day to study, will I improve?" and/or "I grind studies 8 hours a day like a zombie and I see no improvement. Why?"

>>1975187
Thanks for the link this guys advice, sounds really helpful. Especially, about copying. (Pity /ic/ is not like that.)

>>1981330
I there even a mod reading this?

>>1981346

We're probably better off waiting until we've gotten all of our shit together first, then we'll go to the irc and bitch at mods until they do it.

>>1981330

>>1981372

Slowed down. Should be good.

>>1981376
YES YES YES YES YES
please do this mod
even better than velociraptor

>>1981376
Based.

>>1981330
>>1981342

Let me try tackling some of these

>I'm X years old is too late for me to start?
Unless you're on your death bed, no. I know there have been examples of well known artists who've started later on but their names escape me atm.

>I copied those Loomis head for like a day and I'm not seeing any improvements, WTF?
Art is a marathon. You won't see any noticeable art gains for months. Keep studying and drawing and you'll slowly but surely improve. Look back at your shit from months/years ago and you'll see improvements.

Maybe here we can link to some improvement charts, especially ones that show improvement from beginner stages to pro level stages.

>"Was Hitler really bad at art?"
I remember hearing from some art history teachers I had that Hitler was just an unremarkable artist. And I think he got rejected from a top art school or something to that nature, I'm not 100% on that.

>"I don't have more than 1 hour in a day to study, will I improve?"
Yes. It will be slow but you'll see improvements. Obviously the more you practice the faster you'll improve but so long as you put the time in you will improve.

>"I grind studies 8 hours a day like a zombie and I see no improvement. Why?"
And then there's this asshole. Study needs to be active. You can't zone out, mindlessly copy, and expect anything to come from it. You must think about what you're doing.

Obviously these are shit, but I expect some more fleshing out to happen by others.


>>1981376

God is real and he is Based.

>>1981376
Based anon

>>1981376

Just so everyone knows, I made the gif, but I'm not happy with the speed still, plus I want to make some adjustments. If you guys want me to continue fucking with it, let me know.

>>1981390
Maybe make it a little slower.

>>1981390
Maybe slower and spining

>>1981390
>>1981391
>>1981395

Added some ease-in-ease-out to make it seem slower.

>>1981407

120ms version

>>1981407
I like that one, maybe you can try fixing the thumbnail so it's nicely cropped and doesn't have the white

>>1981407
Good job dwarfish!

>>1981386
>their names escape me atm
It's funny that EVERY FUCKING TIME when people are saying that age doesn't matter they can't give any examples.

Do you know why? Because starting late is a lie, there are NO famous artists that have started after being 30+.
Go ahead and try to prove me wrong.
Pro tip: you can't.

>>1981431
we can give people some hope in their life
besides, it's still never too late to start with art. it's fun.

>>1981431
Maybe not 30+ but I heard Mullins himself started around 27. Zapata started at 24, it really doesn't matter. The thing is I've seen people post shit like, "I'm 20, is it too late for me?" I think that's what he's really referring to.

>>1981431
Not to mention that not everybody wants to make it a job. It can just be a hobby for many. Independently of how good or bad they are

>>1981431
starting in your 30s depends on a few key factors

Did you fuck up and have a kid? Chances are bad.

Are you neet and have some time? Chances are wonderful.

>>1981437
Reminds me, another thing is that I'd actually advise someone that isn't 20 years old yet not to throw their life out to git gud. A useful tip someone once said to me was, "If you don't live, you'll never be able to put life in your art."

>>1981386
>was hitler bad at art
is that really a frequently asked question round here?

>>1981461
There used to be a thread every 1-2 weeks. Usually people from /pol/. Haven't seen them around recently though.

>>1981461
His perspective is shit. No wonder he didn't get into art school and decided to kill jews.

>>1981468
I think it was more because Jews did expressionism.

>>1981468
or it might be a really old house with wonky ass windows

>>1981468
>>1981474
His perspective is mediocre at best, but look at his fucking scale and placement. The window is in the stairs and too large, and the door is fucking huge. You'd think he's never seen a fucking building before. All of his other paintings with buildings are like this.

>>1981416

Test.

>>1981530

Holy fuck my sides. This is amazing

http://loomisloves.us/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Questions

it's a start. anyone?

>>1981613
Aye, looks pretty good, so far. I'll help edit.

>>1981530
Cool

>>1981618
I've added a few more pages to the wiki also fixed the visual library one, any other we should focus on right now?

http://loomisloves.us/wiki/Special:PopularPages

>>1981908

I'm going to sleep do whatever you guys feel will help. Enjoy it guys. New message on the main page.

>>1981431
>famous artists

Who cares about fame, especially if you've spent your life developing a more stable career? The question is, can you be a GOOD artist if you start late - and the answer is yes.

>>1981936
Neat. I've tried to contact the admins about the loomygif and the dead sticky link. Hopefully we'll have our new one over this weekend.

>>1982006
Bumpan for admin justice before turning in.

>>1981253
bless you anon

Basic rules are in place along with some side bar adjustments.

If there are any feature requests, let me know

ALSO, REMEMBER THAT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE AN ACCOUNT, YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED.

>>1982338
Maybe have the FAQ in there as well.

>>1980746
What book is this from?

>>1981613
i like how the asian guy thinks he isn't white

>>1975012
New fag here, looks good

>>1982816
what are you talking about why else would he paint himself white?

>>1982816
Asians aren't white, believe it or not.

>>1982566
Read the sticky :^)
(It's Alla Prima by Richard Schmid.)

the mods will deliver guys
we just have to wait

Scott's "How to Render" would be a godsend. I'd buy it, but it would cost a ton to get that book shipped to me =/ can't even find poor quality scans of it yet.

Should we go through the fundamentals on the new wiki or what?

>>1975055
please this

>>1983167
CGpeers registration is open. You're welcome

>>1983240
He asked about book, not about videos.

>570 accesses
>8 accounts
>5 of them are contributors
Fuck /ic/, help the sticky v2.0

>>1983322
I am not a good writer anon OTL

>>1983192
please do, i wouldn't even know where to begin

>>1983360
/lit/ should write /ic/ sticky

>>1983360
Even so, you can fill up some content and, over time, it'll be edited into clearer phrasing.

You can also share some useful links instead if you really don't want to write. http://loomisloves.us/wiki/Online_resources

>>1983610
I put it there, but I don't know how to put it out so everyone understand. If the other faggots help it would be perfect.

>>1983630
For now, link and quote from the resource list? Add the how to practice stuff, too.

>>1983668
Ok, I will see what I can do.

>>1983240
Aw, you got my hopes up. As the other person said, I'm looking for the book, not the videos. But thanks anyways.

If anyone has even barely readable scans of it, I'd greatly appreciate a link.

Continued sidebar organization plus I'll be working on the editing guide. If there are any extensions, as always let me know what you want.

>>1984015
Someone have to do the how to practice page, finish the fundamentals, add in depth for all the fundamentals, etc. I think it will be good enough in a few days.

>>1984023

I guess I'll do some of the practice page today, in the hopes someone will come around and make it better.

I'll update when I've finished some of what I'm doing.

>>1984639
Ok, I'll try to finish the fundamentals page asap and go to the in depth part.

>>1984656

Unfinished draft of editing guide is up along with cleanup of all redirects. I'll be doing more behind the scenes stuff soon (adding new captcha questions, server upgrades, etc)

I would like a progression of books that by the end will make you gud.

>1. Keys to drawing - Dodson
>2. Fun with a pencil - Loomis
>3. etc...
>4. etc..

>>1985155
OK, I'm going to bed now, so everything I do is for tomorrow (haven't even drawn today T-T)

>>1985386
I was planning to do it on a page like "Beginners First Stop" and link to other pages like crazy. Would be cool if we covered what the books said in the new wiki, this way the new fags wouldn't have to buy the books asap (or pirate it).

>>1985655
Just realized that I don't know where to start with the beginner's page, so I'm going to bed.

>>1985655
>>1985677

>haven't even drawn today

Take a break tomorrow. Practice everyday. Seriously. The wiki will be here.

>>1985695
Nah, it's just that I had a full day. Some of my friends invited me to their house and I came home feeling like shit. Now I'm a little better, but could only draw circles in the paper.

>>1985695
Ah, one thing. Should we be harsh with the beginners part to kill the ego of the newcomers or be gentle and keep them in the art world? I think of it a lot. We want to create a realistic wiki, where it's explicit that the world is harsh and that to everyone you're a piece of trash, or the illusory, where it's implicit that the world is bad but still makes every newcomer stay without knowing the truth of the world outside?

Here's that fundamentals guide from awhile back, could be of some use for the beginners page.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/uar9sdg2ieacqeo/jtvmqw.odt

>>1985825
>http://www.mediafire.com/view/uar9sdg2ieacqeo/jtvmqw.odt
Neat, thanks. I'll help edit some more.

>>1975158
It's in the sticky.
Ctrlpaint has some nice videos explaining about it. Also, read the books listed.

New message up regarding current priorities.

I'm leaving the rest to you for today. Currently at work.

>>1986044
>>1986862
Maybe? NSFW sticky?

the sticky on /loomis/ at (4+4)chan has quite a bit of good stuff. Nothing there willt be able to replace the awesome beginner's guide of this place though.

>>1986974
Also, perhaps ironically I've never seen a board that needed more loomis in my life.

>pic related

lel

No one on that website knows how to draw worth a damn; they're all gamergators and pollacks. I almost feel sorry for these half-assed knock off imageboards because they only attract users based on a few relatively minor grievances that most users don't care about.

>>1986980

Just lurking their drawthread theres plenty of people there who can draw worth a damn, or at least well enough to not be ridiculed in an /ic/ drawthread.

>>1986982
I'll admit this one kind of made me laugh.

That one guy has a Moebius kind of style which is cool. I think most of them are beginners though and there's damn few of them, besides. They should just come over here, really. At least there's semi-experienced artists here plebs like them (and me) can feed off of.

So how the fuck do I even begin studying loomis/art books? I'm never good at learning from a book but I really want to try. I know friends who are good artists but everytime I ask questions they usually go:
>read loomis/art book and you'll be good
This shit pisses me off to the end, just show me some tips or something. Jesus.

How the do I PROPERLY study a book? How can I apply it to my work? Just copying?

..But enough about that, what's worth stealing from the /loomis/ sticky if anything...I mean, he's got links to decent stuff in probably the right order but that's not enough. The original /ic/ sticky was so good because it actually engaged with the reader. This guy's sticky is too impersonal in this regard and is more of just a small, but perhaps efficient, resource dump. The board owner probably doesn't know enough about the underlying concepts of formal art himself to really teach anybody. Conversely, If the /ic/ mods don't know shit for example it doesn't matter because there's so many people here to pick up their slack. If you're making an art board on a 4chan knockoff with few users though you have to be able to carry it which I doubt the /loomis/ guy can. Poor bastard. He just wants to git gud.

Are we sure the /ic/ sticky is gone forever, anyway? I mean, surely its author still lurks /ic/ and is aware of the problem?

>>1986992

A book is information, how you memorize that information is entirely up to you.

Some people just read the books and get back to their work. Others read them, study from life and photographs and see if their observations correlate with the information in the book. Others copy the diagrams over and over, some attempt their own diagrams from imagination, e.g. drawing some anatomy breakdowns from different angles.

Its entirely up to you.

>>1986992
I just watched this video on /loomis/ and it actually kind of answers that question.

http://youtu.be/oKFfSl-EBfI

tl;dw copy (observational drawing) a LOT. Don't stop. Based Sycra.

>>1986998
Thanks, I'll check this out in the morning.
>>1986997
Yeah, I know it's up to me. I just feel like people using the "read loomis/art book" as an easy excuse to say "get good". I haven't even gone through most chapters of Figure drawing by Loomis, but I just feel like if someone was next to me or in front of me teaching me, I'd be better.

A lot more text than drawings, and I just get overwhelmed by the text. I'll try videos more.

>>1986999
You're welcome.

Also nice post numbers

>>1986933

Don't see why not. You're welcome to include it.

Did more work on the gesture page.

When I'm on lunch, I'll be drawing up examples. Hope this will hold for now.

http://loomisloves.us/wiki/Gesture

>>1986993
Yeah, but they won't reinstate the account/the page. We have IDENTICAL back-ups though, but no mods to replace the link...

>>1987209
the fact that mods are apparently nonexistent on this board really does explain everything

>>1985736
be nice. a lot of people will not be used to the 'git gud or die trying' attitude of this board

>>1986933
keep it in its own relevant page(s), for the love of god

Can someone help me on his right eye and nose?
It feels disproportionate as fuck.

>>1987227

>keep it in its own relevant page(s), for the love of god

Agreed.

>be nice.

Disagreed. While I think the wiki needs to have a neutral tone, I say that the person receiving critique has a responsibility to not be offended, no matter what is said.

Besides, stopping anons from giving harsh critique is like trying to stop a moving glacier.

>>1987230
I knew it, the second the rest of the board figures out the sticky is down we'll be inundated with these sort of asinine solicitations and questions endlessly with nowhere to lazily direct them.

>>>/loomis/

>>1987159
It turned out awesome, keep the good work.
>>1987209
Can you give me one of those back ups?
>>1987227
Obviously that I'm going to put a vagina box tutorial on the beginners guide... as if.

>>1987230
>>>Loomis
You can also go to the stylization and beginners thread. Study masses and how forms work in perspective. Git gud.

>>1987278
What? There's a Loomis board? What the hell am I doing here good bye /ic/ stay mad and stay jelly.

>>1987291

>poster count didn't increase

Nice try samefag

>>1987291
You have what? 12yo?

>>1987282
I have these two back-ups:

http://www.colourcow.com/ic-sticky/

https://web.archive.org/web/20150112224054/http://artfag.hubpages.com/hub/how-to-draw-learn

>>1987328
Thx

More SAI tutorials that aren't in Japanese

>>1987344

よし

>>1987386
Kek

I seriously think we should make a new thread. One that is on the wiki instead of being technically off topic in this thread.

Proposed this in another thread.

I've noticed that some artists are struggling to get enough exposure in some sites even if they're pretty good. Why don't we make some sort of group or contact network for helping each other? I mean, casually mentioning that you were sketching with some guy in a journal or that you made a collab with him, can be a pretty good help.

Maybe we can do some sort of form sheet in google drive where people add their accounts in different sites, what do they draw the most, if they draw porn, if they're open to give critiques, contact methods (notes, comments, skype, whatever), etc...

>>1988092
You mean, a network? Kinda like pixiv and shit? If you're talking about a group, check the wiki, we have a couple of active groups that enter frequently on the hangouts.

>>1988097
Not exactly, I was originally thinking in some sort of contact list, but that could do as well.
Oh, are there active groups and hangouts? My bad, I haven't been here in a while.

>>1988102
Yeah, there are.
http://loomisloves.us/wiki/Affiliated_groups

>>1981431

true. mid twenties is the cutoff age.

but it's natural. anyone who starts taking it seriously later than mid twenties is a pussy faggot who is scared of such a dangerous career decision, and/or simply doesn't love art enough.

so i won't shed a tear for those guys.

>>1987292
Wasn't me~!

(for real tho)

>>1988135
>true. mid twenties is the cutoff age.

Citation needed; I mean, I still suck balls but I feel I've improved at least somewhat since I started gud gitting. I would have loved to have started earlier though.

>>1988145
how old are you now?

>>1988146
28, I started a few years ago working for a cousin on his and his friends' game project animating cartoon robots. Like all charity cases the game fell apart after everyone came to the sudden realization that they had better shit to do.

>>1988151
don't you feel like though when you were younger you had a different mindset about art and at some point later you grew up and things started to come more naturally?
not talking about practice and learning... i recently picked up drawing again and the learning process feels much smoother than what it have been in my late teens when i drew

>>1988155
>don't you feel like though when you were younger you had a different mindset about art and at some point later you grew up and things started to come more naturally?

To be honest I never drew much when I was younger so I can't really compare my recent baby steps of improvement with anything from those days; I never really took it seriously enough, at least not for a long enough period of time to where it'd have a lasting effect. I went through the motions buying myself a tablet and sketchbooks and stuff right after or shortly before leaving high school but looking back I never really "went for it" by any stretch of the imagination, I would doodle like an elementary school student just drawing any kind of eclectic thing that popped into my head for 10 minutes and then let my tablet or sketch book collect dust for 6 months at a time or more. What an indolent fool I was!

>i recently picked up drawing again and the learning process feels much smoother than what it have been in my late teens when i drew

The learning process has been fairly smooth for me, now that I know that I actually need to draw to get better at it! I'm still awful but at least I'm self aware enough to know what I have to do to change that. I'm at that pitiable point where I'm conscious of my flaws but unable to correct them without considerable effort.

http://grooveshark.com/s/Time+In+A+Bottle/4xFY9X?src=5

>>1981431

Brad Rigney

Alright, I'm back for sure this time. Been sick as a dog and haven't been able to edit that much the last few days.

>>1987328
Man, as nice as this is it's a little outdated.

>>1985825
Something like this would be a lot more practical for beginners. Learning 3-D and mastering perspective is a big eye opener for people on it's own.

>>1988198

Awesome. wb

I'm still hammering away at Gesture. Not sure what anyone else is doing. I'm happy about how things are coming along. Contrary to what may be believed, it's generating a lot more functional content (god I hate that word) than expected.

>>1981431
who cares, if youre in your 30s and want to get good, you can still get good. these debates are so stupid, no matter when you start it will take several years to get good

>>1981431

Well, let's see about Van Gogh.

First off, he didn't begin drawing until his late 20's, and he wasn't even introduced to painting until he was 29, and even then, he wasn't skilled as a painter until well into his late 30's. Seriously, The Potato Eaters is a fucking travesty.

Having said that, even the work he produced in his early life, people never think of just how long such works took to complete. There's nothing wrong with being slow, but it took Da Vinci over a decade to finish the Mona Lisa.

>>1988246
Van Gogh is overrated.

>>1988253
your bitch ass mom is overrated.

>>1988253

You said famous, not controversial.

>>1988262
no i didnt.

>>1988264

>no i didnt.

Well the other guy you were defending did. Stop being a fag and read the fucking thread.

>>1988265
My mom will fucking bitch slap the crap out of you if you think you can talk to me like that in my fucking thread bitch.

>>1988266
well my mommy said you have to suck my dick so how do you like them apples bitch?

>>1988266
>>1988270
Pls.

>>1988271
>>1988270
>>1988266
bunch fuckin plebeians. my mommy will shit on all of you.

>>1988272
And that's how shit derail.

>>1988198
>Man, as nice as this is it's a little outdated.
How so? It's just the sticky we had...

>>1989566
Faggots I've talked to loved that stuff when they first started but as you get better you realize most of those books could be summarized in one article or in Drawing on the Right side of the Brain's case, a sentience. There's a reason why some oldfags are calling Loomy a maymay and nothing more.

I found improvement to be a lot more noticeable myself when I discarded those books a few pages in and just read shit like Alla Prima or watched Scott Robertson and Iain McCaig's video series. Shaddy Safadi's series on youtube is pretty damn god-tier if you're really starting from square 0. Some people want practicality over being told to do basic shit that doesn't get them far fast enough.

Sorry, >>1989566, but I have to agree with >>1989619.
Most of what the old sticky said was to read books that you would only benefit from 3 pages out of each book. Drawing on the right side of the brain is a good read, but not fast paced enough to starters and rush learners.

>>1989643
Sadly, I doubt people will appreciate changing what's been there for so long. Some people might even disagree with the sticky and still want it there because people who are too scared to try new things and try to copy things word for word, and are so bound to a "rule set"are cancerous anyways. It's just a shame that there are so many that had to disregard the sticky so early on and talk to other seasoned artists to find out exactly what to do.

How should we go about this?

>>1990267
That's the shit I'm in trouble with. Everyone is different, so how to have the ones that agree and disagree agreeing on the same thing? Is there an answer?

>>1990301
I-I don't know. ;_;
I could probably hit you up on skype and we could maybe get something together in a gdoc for the beginners guide. IF people don't like it we can probably still upload it and call it either a "Revised beginners guide," or "Intermediate guide." I believe you already added me anyways.

>>1990301

I think it should be a quick rundown of shit beginners need to practice on and a list of books and sites that can help them on their never ending quest to "git gud." IMO that's one of the strengths of the old sticky.

Personally, if there's going to be a lot of effort put into this, I'd like to see some rundowns of the common paths d/ic/ks take. Like "wanna do vidya concept art? You should focus on this this and this? Wanna draw kawaii animu illustrations and impress nippon with your skills? You should focus on this this and this. Wanna do shit like DA OLD MASTERS? you should focus on this and this" while keeping in mind that "focus on" means "this shit should be your strongest attributes" not "ignore the other shit"

>>1990305
Me? Just out of curiosity, who are you? Rat?

>>1990308
Is it good? Should we create a hub that says "if CA, then 'link'. If DA, then 'link'. Else 'basic sticky'"? Will it work the way we want? Wouldn't it be hardwork for nothing?

>>1990321

I wouldn't say a hub. I think a basic beginners stick would work wonders, but from there you lead them to other bits of the site, like when talking about gesture link to the gesture page etc etc. And say shit like "if you want to draw comics then shit like gesture and composition should be your strongest aspects" or whatever.

It'll be a pipedream to have like, lets say, an animation page that runs down basic shit you need to do if you want to be an animator, or a fine arts page that runs down shit you need to do if you want to do fine arts, or whatever. Maybe that can be intermediate pages?

I'm just flinging shit at the wall to see what sticks. I don't expect any of this to be good.

>>1990315
>>1990321
>>1990341
http://pastebin.com/yzeE9hz1 Typed up a bare boned draft we could probably expand upon.

Sticky should be an open wiki and the community operating it should be willing to continually challenge old standards while at the same time trying to invent new ones for themselves. That sounds outrageous but it's doable if people are open-minded enough. The sticky has to be able to change with the times and the community has to be more open-minded towards different ideas if it is to succeed.

Personally I think for the sticky to be truly helpful it should demonstrate how artwork comes to be. That's to say, it should show how we go from understanding elemental things such as line and tone and progress towards understanding complex things like form or mood for example. What brings it all together? Show that.

The way the sticky is going now, it's going to fail and be a joke like the last one.

Here is an old thread arguing about the the original sticky:

>>/ic/thread/S1570844

Take note of the reasoning for the sticky to be a filter of some kind, so learned-others wouldn't have to repeat the same stuff over and over. While reading this old thread ask yourself these questions: Have any of the old fears of not having a sticky come true so far? Did the the sticky fulfill it's promises? Haven't we learned things that refute some of what the sticky claims?

My opinion, it was a complete failure, and an utter disgrace to artist who truly wanted to help other artists.

>go to wiki
>see new image upload
>stupid flat Byzantine Jesus
>mfw

Holy fuck my sides

>>1990356

Just thought I'd chime in and say that I'm learning just like you guys.

>>1990757

Bah! Forgot trip

>>1975012
Asked before, but how do we contact mods?

>http://loomisloves.us/wiki/Tablet_buying_guide
someone please update this with more info so we don't get any more tablet threads

>>1991945
Like what? What is missing?

bmp? We have a writing thread this is more like an idea thread I think?

>>1985825

It's nice to see people found my guide useful.

>>1995189

It's pretty stellar. It's how I found Robertson.

>>1981908
>http://loomisloves.us/wiki/Special:PopularPages

holy fuck am I newfag and I can say this FAQ is really really good.

>>1995648

pic related

I'm taking a crack at the beginner's first stop again. Gonna be snowed in today.