/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>1989212
haters hate on hate on haters hate on hate on haters hate on hate on haters hate on hate on

>>1989212
good that he is doing more character work but its so bad compared to his enviroments

>>1989212
Isn't that a good thing? The lower the standards the higher your chance to ever make money with your art.

>>1989225
It's not like they're lowered the quality requirements. He just networked his way into.

>>1989212
I know everybody loves hating on Noah. Especially op since there is no way you found this picture without the context that goes with it. He did this for charity ( or if you don't like him, to pimp himself to the magic crowd ) because a magic player died. The card is based of a photo of him. He did it for free and his reason for doing it are debatable. But it's in no way wizard of the coast official art.

looks pretty cool to me fuck i wish i at least reach that level or come close to , sucks being a talentless shit . but seriously dont hate on him i mean is all about marketing , is not how well your product is how well market it. instead of being a salty hating di/ic/k likeverone else perhaps market yourself better if you think your art is better than said picture , just saying.

>>1989312
Yeah this is light years beyond anything I could do. I think OP should post his art so we could see how he compares. He will, right? He's not some talentless hack who hates instead of trying to git gud, right?

>>1989316
>Yeah this is light years beyond anything I could do

Not OP, but I feel bad for you.

Guess i will have to kill another magic player

I COULD DO THIS.. WIZARDS HIRE ME PLEAAAAAAAAASE

>>1989316
>merc_wip.etc
I honestly don't see why this is bad. Everyone seems to think if a pic isn't a perfect replication of life, it's bad, and if you reference to get it closer you're a hack. They also seem to think being able to see flaws means they're better. The truth is if they were producing work of this quality regularly, they'd get work.

>>1989288
lucky plebs be so plebin, it'd be a huge insult if people were a little better at deciphering artwork.

>"here ya go fuckers, i spent a whole hour on this shit, get touched niggas!"

>>1989212
He is more original than the crowned prince of patreon.

>>1989212
Actually someone has to compete to him. Then his fame will end up with rivals for him.

>>1989212
FUCK NOAH, but there are worse artists over there

>>1989371
>there are worse artists over there
>posts Rebecca Guay

uhhh u trolin m8?

>>1989373
This whole thread is a damn troll thread.

>>1989352
> They also seem to think being able to see flaws means they're better.

That certainly means they are better than you, who can't see the flaws. I mean, you must be unbelievably terrible if you seriously can't see why this is bad.

>>1989373
Dont get me wrong, shes cool, but this particular treefolk is shit.

>>1989388
Explain and articulate with good reasoning successfully. Backed by your own experience, not your feelings.

>>1989384
Nah. I'm working on a project right now and I realize just how hard it is to execute something polished, and as it stands I won't have time to go back and fix the mistakes I can see, and that's another thing people never factor in. Or notes from editors. Sometimes they have other people edit pics after it's turned in. Everyone thinks what they see is a raw, untouched piece but it's not always & not always done in ideal situations. This pic isn't flawless but it's good, you're all just nit-picking.

>>1989391
I know her style is 2D but this just look cartoony, zero perspective, that mouth. Also baby treefolks looks just pasted there. I hated this card my whole lorwyn period and I still hate it, she could have done it some much better. I mean GURRL you are getting paid for this shit, thousands of people are gonna watch it.

>>1989396
Its good enough for the resolution they are gonna use, but its no wallpaper quality.

>>1989404
Oh yeah? Could I see the last wallpaper you painted?
>inb4 don't need to do it better to have opinion
A lot of people itt are basically saying "I'm way more pro than this" and "if you can't see why it's shit, then you're shit, I can tell it's shit cuz I'm gud". So I'd like to see someone make good on that for once.
I know it'll never happen though because 9/10 times anyone who's worked hard enough to get even close to this level or better isn't the kind of person who sits around shitting on other people on 4chan. It takes humility to be dedicated enough to one's craft to get really good, and I'm not seeing much humility from the people complaining.

>>1989403
Ok I get you. Fair enough. Guay is a fantasy artist, I'm sure they approached her for a card because she's a great candidate. But they made her do a foresty background art? She's got beautiful figure and character work. Why would they do that? I know nothing about these card games. Can you give me a good example of what the cards should be?

>>1989444
Actually the card she did is a creature, and a very useful one, uncommon, magic is a great game you should try it sometime.

>>1989440
Im not shitting at him, It said his stuff is good, he is in fact good, but hes done better things and he abused the small resolution of the cards in this, its not bad just the way things are done when you have little time. I can do what he does, I dont want to be asociated here, but I respect him and his work, just quality could be better.

I know why you are mad, everyone here thinks they can shit on anybody even if their art is not as good, but I dont see the problem with constructive criticism, there are people who paint bad but if you been staring at something for a lot of time you loose judgement, even non-art people can help you to see what things are off.

>>1989452
>you are mad
There we go. People read too much between the lines around here. I'm not mad but for once I would like someone to back up their claim that they can do it just as well or better. I hardly even know who this guy is so it's not like I have some personal stake in it.
Anyway so far I haven't seen anything itt that amounts to constructive criticsm. No specifics like "arms are too big" or "head construction is off" or something. And like I said a lot of that stuff is negligible considering the context the picture was created in - if you work in the industry, you know you can't put 100% into every single picture you do, not if you expect to take on enough projects to live comfortably. So I want to challenge the people who are just saying it's bad without explaining and claiming they're better to be more convincing. But I know they won't.

>>1989466
I would anon, but really dont want to post my art here, at least not in this shit throwing thread, thats what I said quality was the issue as in rendering, maybe the card was a sorcery and not a characters that could be a reason for the lack of polished details. I understand what you say
> - if you work in the industry, you know you can't put 100% into every single picture you do, not if you expect to take on enough projects to live comfortably.
That why I mentioned > its not bad just the way things are done when you have little time.

BTW im not >>1989384

>>1989474
It's fine, I didn't think you were that other anon, your responses are a lot more reasonable. Now that you've explained your position beyond "it's not wallpaper quality", though, I'm not trying to get you to post your work. It's really the other people, like that anon you referred to, who should, if they're going to make claims like that. From now on I need to just ignore and hide threads like these because I have never, and probably will never see any evidence that the people who come in here to shit anonymously are anything more than jealous.

>>1989312

>looks pretty cool to me fuck i wish i at least reach that level or come close to , sucks being a talentless shit

>>1989316

>Yeah this is light years beyond anything I could do. I think OP should post his art

More proof that literally everyone who thinks Noah is a good artist are completely terrible themselves.

inb4 the hordes of teenaged wannabes demand that I post my work

>>1989379
>This whole thread is a damn troll thread.

because no one could srsly think the pic in the op was bad, right

>>1989501

No one cares about your art. Bitter silly anon.

>>1989212
He hid the hand behind the sheild, and didnt consider the weight of the sword and the girth of the hilt.
Thats the glaring problem for me.

However, he isnt god. You guys who sit here and complain about someone who is supposedly 'bad', yet gets more money and more rep than you, are really stupid. This is past hater mentality, its just cucking yourselfs. If you can do better, then why dont you?
Instead of being mad, why not get even?

>>1989514
This. This a million fucking times. All these assholes gather around to shit on industry pros and are too scared to even show anyone their work. So full of shit I could plant crops in their asses.

>>1989373
distinct style =/= good

>>1989225
So you care about making money instead of selling art thats actually good
You will never be good if you think this way

>>1989288
In that context it's even more insulting. Someone competent should have done the illustration. But no, let's shit on the players memory by having one of the worst magic artists paint the illustration.

>>1989391
>not your feelings
feelings are a legit source of intellect. If you just think like a robot you're worse off

Why do I come here anymore I quit /ic/. You guys are a bad influence on somebody trying to be good

POST YOUR ART FGTS
Put your money where your mouth is or put a dick there but either way shut the fuck up.

>>1989525
Now you are just being an asshole.

>4chan

nevermind

>>1989212
Figure work just isn't Bradley's strong suit. I don't think he's even aware of it, either, because he continues to put out this level of work.
>>1989312
Honestly, using someone's death for marketing seems really callous and asinine. Who can say if that's what Noah's intention was, though.
>>1989352
Well, mucked up resemblance aside, the anatomy is fucked sideways. Look at the far shoulder and it's placement relative to the neck. and his belt is at elbow height, with the crotch apparently directly below. Not to mention, the center of the collar bone and the center of the armor seem to be placed differently. Ect.,ect., not hating, but Noah doesn't really seem to get anatomy, and most of his figures show it.
>>1989371
Let's be honest, you can get away with a lot of shit on a MTG card, since most people will see that art at like what, 2x2 inches?
>>1989396
>good
Well, I disagree. Not terrible, not DA tier, but certainly not good. Passable, I'd give it.
>nit-picking
I don't consider anatomy to be a minor point.
>>1989466
For someone chiding someone else for reading between the lines, you're doing a lot of it yourself. Who here said they could do it better?
>you know you can't put 100% into every single picture you do
I'd be with you if these problems didn't also extend to Noah's personal work. And even basic construction and anatomical knowledge would fix a lot of these problems.

>>1989538
>Who here said they could do it better?
>>1989318
>>1989332
>>1989501
This thread hasn't been going on very long, but in the threads that've gotten longer, there's more, and if this thread continues, there'll probably be more of it here too. I said before I'm not familiar with Noah's work, I only ever just heard of him recently because I follow comics more than concept art. I'm not necessarily defending him so much as I am calling out the people who claim to be better. If you want to point out real problems with a piece, that's fine, there's something to be learned from that. But merely sitting back and passively aggressively saying "THIS is what passes for professional these days?!" isn't constructive, it's just criticism.

>>1989544

Just ignore them, we all been insulted here from time to time even our art, but the value of /ic/ is the people that really give good feedback, the rest are just flavor, they make me laugh a lot.
Are you Celarx? You are good bro, just remember how things work here.

>>1989548
I'm not celarx or anyone who has a name around here. The premise that people around here give really good feedback is debateable but I definitely agree with you about ignoring these guys. I just had to try at least once to see if anyone would back up what they say, but of course not, they're not that kind of person. If they were, they'd have given real constructive crit in the first place rather than vague passive aggressiveness. Then if they were actually giving well founded critique, they wouldn't have to be afraid of showing people their work. I gave it one good try so now I know to treat these threads as what they are.

>>1989212
ITT: Haters who'd rather talk shit about others art than go improve their own art. Maybe one day you'll reach the level where you can work for WotC and you'll have bitter anons posting your stuff here.

>>1989561
im not a hater but i feel bad im not drawing right now

y u gotta go there homie

>>1989561
How nice of you to take the time to hate on haters instead of improving on your art.

Why don't you start by following your own advice?

>>1989563
y-you too

>>1989563
I earned 650€ today. I think I'm doing just fine

>>1989607
show check and timestamp

>>1989563
>>1989607

Hey noah, I know you get this all the time; but how do I get paid for my art if I'm starting out; Pic related 1 hour study.

>>1989649
Nobody will pay for stuff of your level, at least not any amount of money worth your dignity. Focus on getting better first.

>>1989655
Why do you browse /ic/?

It's weird: /ic/ has a lot of hate threads, but I never see anyone else get the same level of asskissers that Noah has.

Whenever his latest turd gets posted here, there's suddenly either dozens of people or a few really loud shitposters ranting about how bitter /ic/ is and how we should all post our work.

I think maybe this is because Noah makes a lot of people on /ic/ feel good about themselves, like maybe the bar isn't so high after all. They rage when people point out Noah's terrible anatomy and environments consisting solely of badly rendered rocks because they want to believe that Noah is great and they're almost great.

/freud

>>1989212
I thought people were fucking kidding when they say he puts himself in his art.
fucking hell.

>>1989686
Narcissism.

>>1989655
Thanks. I'll focus on gettin good then.

>>1989649
This is the work of someone who probably believes they are:

Better than Noah.
Better than the average poster.

Well /ic/ I never thought dunning kruger syndrome was a real issue, but this dude proves it.

>>1989938

he is better than the average poster. might actually even be better than noah too.

>>1989607

are you that german guy by any chance? i'd like to know if you are already making a steady living with your level of work?

>>1989938
>This is the work of someone who probably believes they are:
>Better than Noah.
>Better than the average poster.
>Well /ic/ I never thought dunning kruger syndrome was a real issue, but this dude proves it.

Nowhere in his post did he imply he was better than anyone else.

>>1989288
>He did this for charity ( or if you don't like him, to pimp himself to the magic crowd ) because a magic player died. The card is based of a photo of him. He did it for free and his reason for doing it are debatable

How can anyone even hate on this dude? Is /ic/ so full of trolls?

>>1989938

He didn't give any indication that he thought he was better than Noah or anyone though.

Noah vs. Ricky! WHO. WOULD. WIN.

>you will never art as good as argenburgerler

>>1990163
I know, I hate it. I'll get good enough to be happy with probably. But never that good. Never that good.

>>1990163
>>1990173

eerie how once you reach a certain level people talking like this seems so incomprehensible.

>>1990163
Thank god.

>>1990189
Post your art.
>captcha: hiden

>>1990163
can't burgle the pflergler

>>1990163
this was his last collaboration with janaschi