/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

There are already two threads about this on the front page, do we really need another?

>>1969287

ENGAGE THE TURBONERDS.

FIND THE REFERENCE.

>>1969294
It's
>>1969216

>>1969294
fucking kek son!

>>1969305
Confirmed

Let me get my 3d glasses.

>>1969318
/ic/ was right again!

>>1969287
No offense to him, but this one I would actually believe is not referenced, and I am somewhat proud of him.

>>1969334
even so, its still nowhere near the standard of others at the same level of fame...

>>1969341
Fuck off with this, not every artist has to be Craig Mullins.
He's famous because he has his own style, and if it's good is entirely subjective

>>1969341
As it should have always been. I would say he shouldn't have propped up his quality of work by using other art works as his base, but it seemed to work well for him in the end. The difference between people on his actual level, and him is that he now has a ton of followers, and he's still making an amazing amount of money. Some of his fans just became more diehard because of this whole ordeal. Also he learned some life lessons. So the end result is win win for him.

>>1969341

Well he is just drawing a simple anime styled drawing...Hes obviously capable of much more than this lol

Where can I volunteer to be a janitor for this board? Knock it off with all these threads.

>>1969342
>He's famous because he has his own style, and if it's good is entirely subjective

Not trying to be a dick here, but he doesn't really have his own style per say. He's like a budget Shigenori Soejima, and uses his style heavily in his works, surprise. I do agree with you on the sentiment, but this isn't his style by any means, and it should be blatantly obvious to anyone who plays the persona games or anything with artwork by Shigenori Soejima.

>>1969341
the only level difference is he didn't rendered it to oblivion, the drawing, forms, lighting etc are still solid and if you fail to see that.....

>>1969342
>standard
research that work in particular
style has little to do with this.
im talking about the study to original work ratio for a profesional practicing artist earning $2500 a week.

>>1969341
Dude...You do hes not rendering this right? Its just a very very simple cell shaded drawing which he prob whipped up in a hour

>>1969351
>solid base structures that are not his
yes

>>1969356
im talking about ALL his wirk.

>>1969357
follow the thread replies please.....

>>1969351
It's a simple 3rd of a body fully clothed with a single clasped hand in flat basic cell shaded anime style with thick lines. I'm not saying it's bad by any means, but it's really hard to grasp an artists skill from something like this once you reach a certain baseline.

Not knocking him though. He has probably had more practice with references than all of us combined, so he should at least have a good grasp of values and such. You can't really draw much from this image though.

>>1969361
Oh yeah, and the fucking point is that he didn't heavily use a reference for it, and it looks good. So again, good on him. He learned something from this ordeal, and I'm sure he'll become a stronger artist because of it.

>>1969361
I don't think you understand, he showed us heavy ref work where there's a good base and all he did was rendered it better.

now this is pic is a perfect example that he can do good base, what do you think he can just do next?

>>1969363
We won't know that until the videos come out.

>>1969346

>>1969358
His other work are very much up to standard to the other artist. You might not like his style. But their definitely up to standard.

>>1969359
iv been in the last 4 thread regarding this topic bro mate

>>1969371
good for you but since you don't really get it, I'll just have to point it out to you.

anon1: I'm proud he DIDN'T use reference for this one
anon2: but it's worst than his other works
me: if you can't see the solid fundamentals just because he didn't render it....
your reply to me: but he USED a ref.

get it?

>artifacts
JESUS FUCK MY EYES

>>1969365
Oh no, I do believe he is capable of doing it. I want to see him do it. I'm sure he will do it eventually. An original work that is rendered like his studies, that is. I was just saying that the image there is very basic. Which makes sense, since it is basically supposed to be in persona style.

>>1969376
>persona style
what. Is this fanart or something?

>>1969372
im pretty sure with some time i could in fact find the ref for that.

>>1969378
It's gotta be. There's no way they'd be creative enough to make a cat creature like that. I.E. Not original.

>>1969372
>solid fundamentals
horribly oversized head.
tiny hand syndrome.

>people who post kornprinz like jenny death when on /mu/

I'm so fucking mad, why do you like that anime faggot? Why post his work instead of something by Dave Rapoza at least?

WHAT DID SAKIMI SAY ABOUT KRON, SOMEONE SCREENCAP

>>1969384
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMwhZryRUr4

>>1969378
>>1969380
It's persona 5 fanart, but supposed to be an original piece of fanart.

>>1969384

>>1969379
go on, it's not me who said that this isn't ref anyway. and my reply is only based on "what if it isn't"

>>1969382
go home kid.

>>1969386
holy fuck I didn't realize there was more trailers.

>>1969387
all of the correct.
>inb4 korn fanngays defend him still.

>>1969387
sakimi I-

>>1969287
>people will still pay money for this

>>1969390
>>1969391
All she did was state the truth. She wasn't insensitive or aggressive about it, and I believe it was necessary not to get him to crumble under pressure, but to add some weight to the things people have been saying about him. Basically his entire fanbase is all positive about it, but we needed some opposing viewpoints, and that's where her usefulness came in. Jimbo too, but he gets a lil crazy sometimes. I think we all want to see him improve from this. He isn't turning into a crybaby or a whiny kid, he is trying to make amends for his mistakes. That's reason enough to give him some time and let him prove himself, imo.

>>1969393
the real question is should he give royalties to the original artists from obvious "studys" that he sold.
like a portion of the profits.
if he does something like that. i will respect him once more.

>>1969416
It's kind of impossible to do when basically all of it is done from famous shit or photos that no one can trace back to the original photographer. Other than buying merchandise from the animation studios, they have no real way to do that.

>>1969423
He should burn all the money he got from these traces.

>>1969432
kek

>>1969432

He should just trace over the bills, I mean, according to his fanbase, its still legit.

R-right?

>>1969287
>gets called out on tracing
>resorts to easy crap like this
>will still make 2k a week

I seen a shitload better fanart on pixiv.

>>1969387
He/she is right
monetizing on fanart is unethical
but to be honest many people monetize on unethical things and have no problems. I'm not talking only about art, its everywhere.

>>1969387
>plagiarise other people art
>delete some of his shit after getting called out on it

Why would he deserve respect and patting on the back when he's the reason of the problem in the first place?

>>1969464

Because he did the right thing and manned up to his mistake. And not be a little chump hide from the problem.

>>1969467
>still didn't refund people
>right thing

He should draw 3 times the amount this week.

>>1969467
I think people are angry because there isn't more retribution for what he's done, and that he's not acting like a fool about it. I feel like there should be more done to him but I also see that there's no logic in that now that he's apologised. All that we can do now is watch him with scrutiny and make sure he's not doing the stupid shit he's done.

>muh mistakes
>uhhh s-sorry guys dont charge back those Patreon shekels p--please

>>1969470

What did you expect? Suicide?

>>1969472
Divine retribution.

>>1969470
All he has to do is reference bash+transform tool now and it's back to untrackable tracing.

>>1969469
>implying he just isn't going to find smarter ways of doing it.
He's pretty dumb literally taking cosplayed characters and things people can automatically recognize.
I just assume he'll be using movie screenshots and anime character references for different anime characters.

>>1969476
exactly. This whole ordeal just taught him to be smarter about it.

All he has to do is buy figmas and trace that.

So is it proven that he traces, or is he just referencing, because looking in from the outside it seems like a bunch of jelly artists attacking a successful one without much reason other than him being successful.

>>1969490
He's only heavily referencing. There's only one case of him semi tracing iirc. But eh. Too lazy to relocate that source.

And why not? People attack celebrities' decisions all the time. It makes no difference whether they're an artist or not at a fundamental level--they're still considered a celebrity online and thus will be criticized no matter what they do.

>>1969470
He could've easily took a picture of himself and traced over that.

>>1969490
You can't confirm that he traces or not really. Overlapping images don't match perfectly, but it only takes the warp tool to make images not match. It could easily be paint overs, in fact that's exactly what it looks like. but then again you can prove it.
The guy didn't seem to be making any attempt at hiding this thing since these are all very mainstream images straight from official sources often, so it's likely that it was the point all along and he was like "Hey, here is my version of this popular image".
The only factual thing is that his images are so similar to the originals and they barely make any worthwhile improvements or changes so it's not worth all that much as something to look at.

>>1969490
>So is it proven that he traces, or is he just referencing
He was creating work that was 100% derivative off of another artist's artwork, and selling the prints to them as well. In some cases (don't know the percentage) he would mention that what he drew was a study, but in others he didn't.

Basically selling extremely derivative work and not disclosing when something was heavily reffed off someone else's artwork is plagiarism, and people don't like plagiarism.

There's also a ton of jelly adding fuel to the fire.

>>1969499
but he is not a cute anime girl

>>1969495
So then, why exactly is this artist so deserving of hate? Because he uses references? Because he's successful and making money? What I'm seeing is a pretty fucked up attitude towards him and I'm just trying to understand why. Fuckly is an egotistical asshole who steals designs and claims them as his own, with Dobson there's hypocrisy and being a mindless SJW who throws in half baked political or social opinions in his art, but this guy really isn't doing anything wrong from what I can see.

>>1969506
Fundamentals brah. Just like the wooden manikin.

>>1969508
He doesn't deserve the hate. But I feel obligated to hate him even more because he's not reacting like we're used to. But that doesn't make it right what I'm doing, since he already apologized and said he wouldn't do it again. Like I said before, all we can do is watch him and see what he does next.

>>1969513
Oh yeah, also there's the issue of what he's currently doing with the money. He needs to donate it to a charity or something.

>>1969515
He should record himself from start to finish from now on.

>>1969503

> You can't confirm that he traces or not really.

Lol what? Just go to last thread and look videos.

>>1969387
Respect.

>>1969523
He definitely likes to crop out his work space to only include the image he's painting because he doesn't want you to see all of the images he's referencing and color picking from. Also, he's definitely eyeballing the image when he's sketching it out. The way he strokes--he draws the outline before ever even touching the face. The hermione video shows a good example.

>>1969467
>Because he did the right thing
Honestly, the right thing would be returning everything he ever received by doing the wrong thing.

He'll probably resort to tracing frames from movies from now on.

>"artists" on /ic/ are so bad at drawing that they can't wrap their head around an artist being able to copy an image accurately without having to trace it

>>1969534
kr0n defense force pls go

So what exactly was this fucker "studying"?

>>1969523

I did and I haven't seen a single trace posted yet. All those image overlays prove the exact opposite, that they are obviously similar due to being a copy, yet not a single line matches up perfectly. Do you know what the word tracing means?

>inb4 "hurrr obviously he changes every single line so it doesn't look like an exact trace, making it even more work than just drawing it regularly in the first place"

>>1969534
If you can't see what the main beef is with this guy then you're probably even worse than the /ic/ "artists" you're insulting.

>>1969539

How to draw qt anime girls obviously. I mean, he pulled off the OP picture.

>>1969534
I'm a pretty good artist and i know a shit ton about copying an image accurately without having to trace it. It comes up often in realism artwork. But they weren't using their art powers for good because they were making money off of it and not sourcing. That's the only issue with what they're doing, other than creating boring, uninspirational artwork from original, inspirational material.

>>1969538
I'm not defending him, I'm just laughing at shit tier amateurs like yourself who clearly can't draw at all. Kron's work looks like ass and it IS plagiarism in plenty of cases, but it's blatantly obvious that he doesn't trace.

>>1969545
I think you're trolling because Kron's work still has some artistic merit, regardless of whether it's traced or not. It's just unoriginal and boring.

>>1969515
what the actual fuck. This is reddit tier social justice.

>>1969548
It's better than letting the little shit have all the money to himself. He doesn't deserve it.

>>1969541
I do see what the main beef is and I'm not even addressing it because I agree that the guy is a hack. I just don't want noobs like you and that guy to keep spouting "trace" every time they see a remotely accurate study because next time, I or any other half decent artist could be the one who is accused of tracing just because our work is better and more accurate than what you can do.

>>1969553
And you can be the judge of that because......?

>>1969556
He gained the money through unethical means. He could be sued for it. Putting it towards charity would put him in a better light. Though some people will say it's only to make him look good, which is exactly the case. But keeping the money and going "teehee, won't do it again!!!" doesn't make him look good, either.

>>1969553
No you little communist prick. He didn't rob people, he didn't sell a falsely advertized product, he got people to support him out of their own free will. He can do whatever the fuck he wants with his money.

>>1969557
>He gained the money through unethical means. He could be sued for it
hahahahahahhaaaaaa.
I want to see you try
as if anybody would take you seriously

>>1969554
> I just don't want noobs like you and that guy to keep spouting "trace" every time they see a remotely accurate study because next time, I or any other half decent artist could be the one who is accused of tracing just because our work is better and more accurate than what you can do.

Yo I've personally never done that, lets not get too personal please, or this'll just degenerate into

>post ur work fgt

Seriously though

>because next time, I or any other half decent artist could be the one who is accused of tracing just because our work is better and more accurate than what you can do.

Uh, no. No one cares about you enough, maybe when you're making 2.5k a week off it, have some humility thanks.

>>1969560
As if I would go to the lengths to sue him for shit I didn't do.

>>1969557
> He could be sued for it

Then try to sue him. Reach out to the artists he stole from. Hire a lawyer and see where it goes. Good luck with that. Otherwise fuck off.

Also, don't even act for a second that if you were in his case, you'd give ~100,000$ to charity just because a bunch of amateurs on the internet got angry at you for posting studies.

>>1969564
Lol made your point there. At this point all I really care is that he got ousted and is suffering a bit in reputation. And that he can't sneak by with this stuff again or he'll ruin it for himself.

>>1969561
>Uh, no. No one cares about you enough

That's the point you idiot. You only attack this guy because he makes a ton of money. If I or any other artist ever make that kind of money, I don't want to be wrongfully accused of tracing either, just because people are jealous over how much money I make.

>>1969566
>I don't want to be wrongfully accused of tracing either, just because people are jealous over how much money I make.

Well its a minor issue that you could bat away or just avoid by saying upfront that what you're doing is heavily referenced, and linking to the reference, and by not profiting solely off it.

People only cared about kr0n because of the degree to which he went about this. The money was one factor, the amount of times it happened was another.

I guarantee you won't find yourself in the same situation if you are as good as you say you are.

>You idiot

Why are you being so salty? Or is that just how you type on 4chan, I'd understand.

>>1969566
the problem here is if any other NONAME artist would do that they would get hunted down. I saw this often enough when other people just plain copied a work from famous artist XYZ.
he says in his deviantart he did not know what he was doing which is a lie since he himself hunted down some artist that copied a work.

Why does he get money. You can't learn anything new from this guy.

Guys guys guys
Imagine you get money for all mediocre shit you post in drawthreads and beginner threads as studies.
how rich you would be?

>>1969571
what he's posting is mediocre shit.

>>1969571
idk how much would you pay for this?

>>1969576
woah thats really great. Would pay $20. Whats your Patreon account?

>>1969576
omf g hi rez and wip video please i m ust learn your art secrets. the way you got miku to look to the original is uncany and color use is much more excellent to the original. fuck yes i will pledge $102 right now.

>>1969579
sexualize_da_mikudiva

>>1969583
>sexualize_da_mikudiva
I don't know if my mom would approve of me going to that url sorry ):>>>>>>>>>>>

>>1969387
based sakimi

>>1969387
copying an [IDEA] is stealing.

bitch shut the hell up.

>>1969576
wow, i really like the volcume and texture on this. do you accept yuros?

don't care about this whole mess, but wait so it is possible to use patreon while being in euro/eurasia ?

>>1969598
No.

Yen I do though.

>>1969600
Yes. Patreon accepts (and converts to USD) most currencies last time I checked. As long as you can pay with PayPal or a working credit card.

>>1969597
nah man. That's fan...deas

>>1969569
>the problem here is if any other NONAME artist would do that

Do WHAT? Post studies? The point is that he is NOT tracing, he is being ACCUSED of tracing despite every single evidence and overlay shows his work are not traces. That's why people like me "defend" him, because I and many others can see myself in this same situation because a bunch of noobs just can't understand that some people can draw accurately.

>>1969606
>I and many others can see myself in this same situation because a bunch of noobs just can't understand that some people can draw accurately.

>the ego is so real

>>1969573
compared to the /ic/ draw thread and beginner thread? Nah, you guys are way worse.

>>1969571
Considering we currently have a portrait study thread going and every single study there looks like shit, my guess is 0,00$.

>>1969609
I've seen people here with a way better grip on originality, composition, lighting, values, color usage, et cetera, than him and his fancy copycatting.

>>1969612

Yeah but if you have the marketing skills of a shoe it wont matter.

>>1969608
Well, I've been accused of tracing plenty of times on /ic/ when I still posted my studies here. It's not an ego thing, I know I'm pretty mediocre, you guys are just so fucking bad at art that even mediocre artists are just completely out of your reach. Which makes you bitter and angry, which leads to all sorts of ridiculous accusations.

>>1969614

I thought we were comparing his stuff to /ic/ stuff.

I never understood the comparison anyway. So what if a noob calls someone shit, its his opinion and he doesn't need to justify it.

>>1969612
>I've seen people here with a way better grip on originality, composition, lighting, values, color usage, et cetera, than him and his fancy copycatting.

Other than the usual 2 exceptions Tehmeh and Catbib, I haven't.

>>1969616

Idk man, you're coming off pretty bitter and angry as well.

You're talking down on the rest of the community, already victimizing yourself etc.

>>1969619
Aka me seeing people here. The fact that you've seen people here means that they exist.

>>1969617
The argument is not that noobs call Kron's work shit, it is that noobs claim it is traced when it clearly isn't. As a noob you can have your shit opinions, no one cares, but once you start flat out lying about something, either out of spite or out of your own ignorance and lack of knowledge, then you need to be called out on it.

>>1969606
You don't have to trace everything. Just because it isn't exact doesn't mean it's not tracing.

Heck you see some people trace bikini models, but it looks uncanny because they've traced the muscles without having the skill to render it. If I traced like that, I would refine it a bit more to simplicity....but I would still be tracing.

>>1969624

No one in this comment chain has mentioned tracing.

>>1969571
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>>1969452
he should have traced Craig mullinssssss looooool

>>1969508
That's because you don't know how to draw billy this doesn't concern consumer plebeians like yourself.

>>1969611
>>1969609
>>1969619

>/ic/ - professional art directors
>Totally not an improvement critique board.
>So just ignore our decent/promising/intermediate/beginner posters and keep talent scouting.
> bolo - be on the look out for tehmeh and catbibs for a job.

>>1969387
Doesn't Sakimichan also sell fanart prints?

I'm quite sure I've seen her disney character prints for sale on one of her pages

>>1969690
I don't think the issue in itself is the fanart that they're selling. It's the fact that Kron's art is like 90% derivative of the original and selling it. Also people think he's tracing which is stupid. The videos prove it. Because selling fanart in itself is standard practice. Just not in the way he's doing it.

Why wouldn't somebody who's work he copied just sue this prick?

>>1969694
It's all from famous stuff so there's no one person to sue him. It'd have to be the corporation/studio/whatever. All it takes is one Disney art, though...

>>1969606
Are you retarded? How about you create a character, put the effort and time to understand anatomy, drapery, faces, etc and crownpr1nce comes and do a "tribute" get fucktons of money from it, while you eat noodles.

>>1969606
rotoscoping is tracing, he definitely traced/rotoscoped the kiki's delivery service gif going around.

and you realize we understand he can probably draw accurately. But it doesn't take away profiteering and (woops plagiarism!)

Gonna have to make a copypasta for you cuties.

>>1969788
Ah shit I forgot about his animation stuff too. That really pissed me off. Especially when those animators don't even make half the amount of money that he does in a year.

>>1969700
what about all these anime studios he made "tribute" of?

>>1969383
>Dave Rapoza
he's absolute shit in comparison to this hack.
>inb4jelly
please. i got standards.

>>1969545
you're just fighting semantics. the difference between copying and tracing is ever so slight.

>>1969606
drawing accurate copy and copy yields same results, same evil. people counterfeit money and that's illegal because you profit from copies. it's the same thing.

>>1969609
>implying everyone who visits /ic/ posts their art in the drawthread.
nope, promotion threads disproved that.

I don't really care about kronprinz but the only thing I get from anyone defending this is that it's perfectly acceptable to redraw another artist's work and make money off of it as long as people think that yours is "better". Depressing.

>>1969823
Yeah, he sets a very bad example for younger generation and artists to come.

>>1969692
>Because selling fanart in itself is standard practice.

Why do artists not understand that they aren't protected when it comes to selling fanart. Companies are in every right to sue the crap out of anyone selling fanart prints because they are riding coat tails and making money of IPs that aren't theirs. The reason companies DON'T sue them is because they aren't insecure faggots like most typical artists tend to be.

If companies got as offended as artists over stupid shit no one would be able to draw fanart ever.

>>1969823
Much like it's ok to sell fanart because your shit at creating your own OC?

>>1969830
Oh yeah, I KNOW it's not legal to sell fanart, but everyone does it. If they get caught and sued, oh welllllll. It makes the company doing it look like a bitch for being so strict. Like Disney.

That's why I'm not faulting Kron for selling FANART. It's the art itself that is the issue.

>>1969833

Given how MANY artists who sell fanart willy nilly try to pretend they know what's wrong or right and have any kind og moral high ground, I couldn't care less what companies came after their ass.

Companies exercising their rights don't make them bitches. Artists need to stop using fanart as a crutch to gain followers/popularity and should learn how to ACTUALLY be creative.

>>1969843
Making fanart doesn't make them uncreative. I learned a SHIT TON in terms of art direction, composition, character design, et cetera just from getting into one anime and drawing fanart and such of it for a year. Honestly I feel like I improved a bunch more in terms of creativity because I participated in the fandom and what not. And it's shown in my paid work too. Poses being less static, using better colors, etc.

Fanart is not a crutch by any means, but doing it as the only means to your art is, and that's not cute. But fanart is basically the easiest way to get popular, and it's a method that works, so it's kind of hard to break that cycle.

>>1969843
>fan-art isn't creative

lol are you seriously one of those fags?

>>1969287
waiting for someone to find original reference for this. the keks will be glorious when coupled with his comment.
it's probably from manga. i couldn't find it in promo material nor cosplays. but i'm sure the source is somewhere, old habits die hard.

>>1969349
Seriously, fuck this witch-hunt. This place is becoming a tumblr sjw circle.

>>1969597
underrated post.

so if it's true that doing what she criticized in her post, (copying the composition and color of an image you like) is evil and worthy of an internet's worth of art plebs raging against you, then everyone who ever used rule of 3rds and a blue orange color palette should be crucified for plagiarism because someone has done it before them.

I don't give 2 shits about Kron, so inb4 KronIDF, but fuck you jellyfags. I agree applying some filters and passing someone else's art off as your own is shitty, but copying someone's IDEA is something everyone does.

Hahahaha, this thread AGAIN.
Suck my dick, choke on it.

>>1969890
>muh russian fuckboi Kron!

I want all kronfags to leave.

>>1969892
Suck.

>>1969859

Yeah, learn how to make OC that's not shit faggot.

>>1969896
literally no one will care for OC no matter how good it is, unless you also make animation or manga to go along with it and lots of promotion.
also, if your OC is actually good, expect it to be stolen.

>>1969883

This is what I mean by this post >>1969843

The same people crying foul are faggots who can't make OC for the life of them. So they resort to fanart (shit they can easily get sued over but they like to pretend it's a "gray" area) because their ideas are shit.

Sakimichan is full of shit.

>>1969900
>literally no one will care for OC no matter how good it is

Keep telling yourself that. Artists just suck at self-promoting. So they use fanart as the easy way out, like lazy bastards.

>>1969287
Somebody actually made the copy account, man, you guys are hilarious hahaha, also based Jimbo

>>1969916
You're not fooling anyone Jimbo. Stay jelly.

>>1969916
>>1969925

Who is Jimbo?

This is getting kind of ridiculous now

>>1969931
Some random with lots of fanboys coming to his defense when someone points out how jealous he is.

>>1969935

Artists are insecure and quick to get butthurt over people making money they aren't making.

Kr0n was wrong for selling prints, that shit wasn't cool. But everything else he's been doing was fair game. Anyone who knew about or paid attention to him already knew most if not all the work he posts on social media are heavily referenced from other material. The people who DIDN'T know this were dumbasses who hopped on the hate train because he was making bank.

This is entire fiasco just reeks of jealousy from people who can't even make OC to begin with.

>>1969940
You and I both know for a fact that the whole reason this fiasco started in the first place is because you love drama, you do it for lulz and you love to gossip and dig dirt up from people and watch others crash and burn for your own amusement.

>>1969940

I personally fear that this just started a new trend on /ic/ that's only going to make this place shittier. They've always been hate/jealousy threads but now that the kron witch-hunt actually had something of a case you're going to get a lore more of these for doing things people don't like. Like, witch hunts for fan artists and photobashers and the like.
Kind of like that whole chanology shit way back when.

>>1969943
>watch others crash and burn

I'd like for every artist who's livelihood relies on fan-art instead of OC to crash and burn. That's my perfect world, anon.

>>1969943
the only ones who crashed and burned is 4chan and /ic/

>>1969950
>implying 4chan hasn't already been burning
>implying /ic/ isn't already a sea of piss

It's like pissing in a sea of piss absolutely nothing will happen or change things will continue going as usual.

>>1969943

A necessary evil.

>>1969896
Ooooo, we got an art major here

Like you could make OC that isn't shit.

STOP BEING A JEALOUS CUNT JAMES GHIO!!! STOP MAKING THESE FUCKING THREADS.

>>1969931
Jimbo is this faggot that keeps making these threads cause kr0n was getting more attention than he was.

>>1969956
>art major

What does being an art major have to do with common sense? Of course OC creators are more respectable than lazy ass fan-artists. Being a fan-artists is lazy, that's why they are a dime a dozen on the internet. It's a way for socially inept people to gain a following since they take advantage of an already established IP they don't own. Which is why so many internet artistic can be mistaken for autistic given how socially inept they are. Fan-artists are, by and large, morons.

>>1969972
>Of course OC creators are more respectable than lazy ass fan-artists.

lol we really do got an art major here. Have fun making sandwiches forever and averaging -100.00 on your art career.

>>1969830
actually it is protected if it can reasonably fall under the line of "parody", which is why dave rapoza can sell his realistic ninja turtle prints. that's how weird al yankovic can do those parody songs legally. even though he always asks for permission from the original artist, he doesnt actually need to.

So it's just one samefag spinning a massive shitstorm, suckering a couple impressionable crossboarders while everyone else just goes about their business or watches with a beer in their hand?

Sounds about right

>>1969947
This.
Kronz acknowledged his mistakes, more people now know that it's unacceptable to profit off of the original creator's idea/execution/image. What we can do now is to see how he's going to amend things from now on.

Its really horrifying to see how many d/ic/ks feel entitled to tear down and even pass judgement to someone in this manner.
It is indeed his fault, but it is blown way out of proportion. There is no greater value that could come out of this dragged mess, yet people are still raising their pitchforks and demanding some sort of retribution.

>>1969990

Nice projection there faggot. Tell yourself whatever you need to to sleep at night. Can't even make an argument. I'd tell you to go back to tumblr but it seems /ic/ has merely become an extension of that cancerous hell hole ala /co/. Enjoy being as creatively bankrupt as China.

https://www.patreon.com/creation?hid=1650329

>>1969995

Fair use only holds up decently when the work is non-profit. The moment money is being made, if permission isn't granted, you're going to lose the case if the company actually follows through with getting it taken down. You are literally at their mercy if you're making $.

I cant believe this place managed to get worse

http://imgur.com/gallery/B66jS/

>>1970012
>http://imgur.com/gallery/B66jS/
That death parade trace of the white-hair girl is spot on. They've definitely been tracing the eyes. You can't tell me otherwise.

That redline car also looks placed. Also, what even is perspective there. Two different shots put together doesn't work like that.

Ugh, and flipping the canvas of the blade runner image is just cheap and dirty.

>>1970011
>>1970011
>>1970011

>expecting a russian to not do something scummy/underheanded

never trust a slav you idiots

>>1969387
ITS HAPPENING

someone needs to post the proof of the plagiarism to every single one of his patrons. He only has 482. Even ten percent gone is a blow to that fucking scum's revenue

>>1970062
We're talking about the tracing thing right? Because I'll do it. It only takes one dollar to be able to post to every single patron.

Just need to confirm what I need to post.

>>1970072
Oh yeah, and you never have to pay until after the week is up so you can keep doing this forever. Not just me.

>>1969996
Two samefags
http://azurebladexiii.deviantart.com
http://jimbobox.deviantart.com

>>1970062
So, Jimbo is disgusting biotrash who was just a jelly for money? Everyone knows about kr0n but it's not enough for him? Real backstabber

>>1970072
http://m.imgur.com/gallery/B66jS/

Afrer seeing that, i went from kron fanatic to fucking hating the at lazy shit. It should be a copypasta and a moral plea. It is plagiarizedd art and all his patrons have a right to know.

I hope this gets so big it affects his professional life. Fucking plagiarist.

>>1970104
Get ready for Karma, Jimbo.

>>1970104
Posted. https://www.patreon.com/creation?hid=1651823&u=366054&alert=3

Guys you all failed to blow this up on another level by upvoting the reddit thread, it's over for it now.

would have been nagasaki on his ass.

>>1970142
im officially disgusted

just give him a second chance to turn it around. If you guys fucked up, I'd want you to have another chance to not be dishonest.

>>1970146

http://np.reddit.com/r/Art/comments/2uybt2/popular_patreon_artist_kr0npr1nz_accused_of/

>>1970146
>>1970159
>>1970153
Jimbo shitposting.

>>1970153
The fact of the matter is that he traced at least two pieces of artwork (see Kiki's Delivery Service and death parade).And they still haven't admitted to it and claiemd they haven't traced at all.

>>1970166
Because he's never traced, Jimbo

>>1970173
Okay yeah no, IO'm not Jimbo. I'm the one that posted on the Patreon about their tracing. This image proves it: http://i.imgur.com/uSfuebx.jpg

The eyes on the both girls. As well as the cheek placement on the white haired girl, combined with the eyes. Kron traced.

>>1970142
First of all, why would you post that outdated link with bad references?

Secondly, it's a new internet rule that as long as it is fanart, it doesn't matter who you copy, because you can't copy fanart since the characters don't belong to you.

>>1970019

Actually i will tell you otherwise. I actually have the VIDEO of him drawing that drawing. And theres no tracing at all.

>>1970173
damn i wish i was russian sometimes

>>1969287

did anyone get a response from patreon ? about his account and whatnot ?

>>1970184
It's not tracing people, it's copying. Copying is fine and you can even post the art, as long as it's fanart.

Here's more proof of tracing from that same image. Image on the right is their traced version.

Lol hes actually gaining more patreons now. Not thats unexpeected. Despite all the shit he gets for referencing other peoples art. Hes still a better artist than 99.5% of you.

>people mad at appropriation

>>1970192
>>1970179
Special for you.
http://seventhstyle.com/2014/09/23/no-game-no-life-artist-caught-tracing/
Just fuckin stop.

>>1969904
There is no such thing as oc.

That which has been is what will be,
That which is done is what will be done,
And there is nothing new under the sun.
Is there anything of which it may be said,
“See, this is new”?
It has already been in ancient times before us.

Any time you draw something in an anime style, you're copying someone else's idea (which was, in turn, copied from someone else's idea before him). any time you use composition or color rules, you're copying someone elses idea. But you think the main crime here is copying someone else's character. I'm saying there's no fucking difference. They're all just ideas.

Also, 99.9999999999% of OC's are faggot sperglord garbage anyway. Yours included. You may as well just demand that people stop copying tried and true styles (anime/western cartooning/etc) and come up with their own from scratch.

>>1970189
Topkek, Jimbo. Go away

>>1970211
exactly, who doesn't want to draw their favorite characters, or popular characters who look cool to show to their fanbase? every character has to be an original now or it's lazy to draw? this person is grasping at straws now

>>there are people in this thread, RIGHT NOW that think using a reference is wrong
>>there are people in this thread, RIGHT NOW who think referencing is just as bad as tracing
>>there are people in this thread, RIGHT NOW who believe it refers to the same thing.

>>1970153
do you believe that whatever he is doing is just a mistake? that anybody could be so dense as to reach whatever level he is at, and not see any problem with profiting off of redrawings of other artists' work? why would you ever forgive somebody who knowingly does this and then forgive them the moment they say "sorry, it was a misunderstanding."?

>>1970225
don't let it bother you, you can't change their minds.

they just have an agenda, and now it's losing steam and they are trying hard to come up with reasons for their hate.

just let them sit here and vent in their own hate thread.

>>1970211

Nice black and white fallacy faggot. That has nothing to do with drawing fanart and using the presence of an already established IP to gain traction since you're too creatively bankrupt to create and design things that aren't associated with that particular IP. You are literally riding the coat-tails of someone else's popularity because you are a shit ideas person. You don't own those characters when it comes to fanart. That is a fact you cannot change.

99.9999999% of OCs suck because faggot artists are too damn busy drawing fan-art rather than constantly redesigning and refining their own ideas until they get something competent. That shit actually requires work. While fan-art is lazy and easy hits. The artists who truly draw for themselves and not because they are insecure attention starved frauds aren't heavy on the fan-art content. And that's because they are too busy refining through own ideas.

>>1970192
Ffs theres fucking VIDEOS showing him drawing that. NOT tracing.

>>1970204
Obviously that's tracing, but it's on a very different level than Kr0npr1nz.

I mean, he actually changed some things for starters. Different environment/context, different lighting, pretty much just swiped the pose and that's it. Some people get mad about that, I've certainly seen comic artists get called out for it, but it's at least tracing in service of a (slightly) different idea.

>>1970192
Wanna see the video of him actually drawing that? And not tracing?

https://mega.co.nz/#!phAQhJob!jPgfipMMopeqOmwfJeJUIljzOcziUZckUylpY8GO7lU

Right here bud.

>>1970238
Then why the fuck does the eye match up perfectly with the original.

>>1970227
>why would you ever forgive somebody who knowingly does this and then forgive them the moment they say "sorry, it was a misunderstanding."?
Nice try.

>>1970230
he didn't trace! look at all the comparison pictures and you'll see that he didn't trace any of them. he took the characters and redrew them completely. yes, the scenes look mostly the same, but it was all for study purposes. he didn't have to post any of them, but he wanted to show his work to people. so he made a mistake, big deal, move on.

>>1970228
As a beginner this just leaves me confused. There are people desperately trying to find a possible ref for his picture, while damning the use of refs. Yet, on this very board there are ref threads and study threads on the same Page. And people say its OK. This is all so very confusing, especially for someone that wants to draw without worrying.

>>1970245

My beef isn't with Kr0n. My beef is with the bitter insecure faggot fan-art dependent artists giving him shit as if their shit don't stink.

The only wrong Kr0n did was sell those prints. I won't co-sign on him doing that. But his patreon? The thing most of these faggots are butthurt about? That shit was fair game. They are just salty bastards.

You people realize that there is no difference between tracing and perfectly copying something right? The point is that by not changing most of the stuff, you're actually stealing it.
Whether you do it by lowering the opacity and going over the lines or simply by copying them from an image you keep near your canvas is exactly the same.

>>1970252
This is not a place to learn how to draw anymore.

>>1970252
Anon, there is nothing wrong with references. Using references without credit [if the art is derivative enough[ or making money off of it is wrong.

>>1970242

Cause maybe he actually is GOOD at fucking doing references. Just because you cant reference that accurately, doesn't mean that who ever can must be tracing.

Anyway its a done deal. Im a patreon supporter and i watch almost ALL his video processes for all the drawings he post on DA. He doesnt trace. PERIOD.

>>1970261
It doesn't fucking work like that. Eyeballing without grids just doesn't fucking WORK like that.

>>1970256
>The point is that by not changing most of the stuff, you're actually stealing it.
>mood
>atmosphere
>colors
>his own style
ANY SCREENSHOTS FROM MOVIE/ANIME ARE FREE TO USE
FREE TO USE MOTHERFUCKER

>>1970198
shame on both sides of this argument

>>1970266
Lol no not really.

>>1970265
Are you seriously implying that no artist could possibly do an accurate study of a subject without tracing it?

>>1970266
>>1970240
>>1970225
YES!! It's good to see smart people here. There is nothing wrong with tracing.

Why won't those goys shut up and just raise their Patreon pledge to kr0npr1nz?

>>1970275
There is PLENTY WRONG WITH TRACING.

>>1970259
I thought using refs was OK, for example to clean up your work?

>>1970252
use references, it's important
they teach it in art school, any good teacher will teach it, those aren't my words

>>1970275
For christ's sake fuck off already with this tracing shit. Post a single example where the lines of a Kronprinz study actually line up with the ref and you have a case of tracing. Otherwise, look up the definition of the fucking word in the dictionary you unbelievable moron.

>>1970256
he's using refs from mostly screencaps of anime, and it really isn't nearly as much of a big deal as people are making it out to be. he has a couple of photos, but come on, he probably got them off of google, and who of us haven't referenced a few photos that we liked? he came out and admitted that he made a mistake, and that he wouldn't do it again. if he does, fine, but why hang him for making an honest mistake?

>>1970258
>>1970252
This. What the Fuck!? The half of the board is fill of people drawing from references, and posting studies, and the other half is condemning that, and anyone who does it is the anti-Christ.

Talk about mixed-messages.

>>1970254
The most disgusting part is Jimbo.
He doesn't speak with Kr0n tet-a-tet in private about his copies, proofs etc.
No! He's create anonymously tons of threads in /ic/. He and his anal friend starting agitate. Shitpost everywhere. They're start attacking kr0n in DA comments.
And everything was about a money. Backstab from shadows. And he's fucking adult. Everyone in white (lel FAN-ART) while kr0n in black.

>>1970252
If you are a shitty artist and you make no money /ic/ will tell you to use refs.

If you are a better and more successful artist than they are, /ic/ will try to crucify you for using refs.

>>1970287

>>1969940
This. Plus I'm pretty sure everytime he references/did a study he said so.

>>1970294
I've spoken with Jimbo and he's informed me that he has spoken with Kron way before any of this blew up and he knew beforehand and had told Kron to cut it out but Kron replied that he was studying but at the same time he got famous and wanted to make a business out of it.

Jimbo has grown tired of this but it seems he's found out secret clubhouse and is now actively enjoying the autism it seems

>>1970192
So, feel free to inform me here, but is this drawing one of the ones he offered as prints? And did he make it before or after his Patreon?

>>1970275
A class A idiot right here. Gets shown a video of him not tracing. But still accuses him of tracing. Some brain dead monkeys on here.

>>1970272
>>1970272
No protection = free to use
You need to protect your photos personally. PLS DO NOT STEAL! is not official protection.

>>1970299
Look you meme spouting, crossposting faggot. Just post proof of ONE trace that Kron did or fuck off back to your containment board. This shit is getting ridiculous.

>>1970294
yeah, he is throwing a bit of a tantrum. the way sakimichan handled it was much better, and i agree with her viewpoint, but i find it hard to back jimbo since he seems to be going balls to the wall here. sakimichan wants him to change his ways and improve, which is my stance, and he pretty much already proved that he is willing to do so. jimbo seems to just want him to burn, which is a lot too much.

>>1970299
>>1970275
I love you uncle /pol/

>>1970308
>>1970305
I'm sorry. I'm just going to be a good goy now and raise my Patreon pledge to kr0npr1nz.

>>1969287

FINALLY this guy gets what he deserved, and even if he still wins money from 12 year olds, who gives a shit, he's now definitely seen as a plagiarist and a fraud by most of the other artists.

he can win as much patreon money as he wants, he'll never be sollicited by big companies and what not. I think that's what's important here.

also, you'll see now how all of his works will either be studies or very shitty fan art like his last one.

>>1970294

This is why I wish more companies actually exercised their rights to make every fan-art dependent artist's life a living hell.

Theses artists are entitled fucks who can't make competent OC if their life depended on it. Why the fuck would I give a shit about their opinion on people who use reference material when their entire portfolio is shit that would get them blown up in a lawsuit? These people seriously don't know their place. Bloated worthless egos.

>>1970316
>he can win as much patreon money as he wants, he'll never be sollicited by big companies and what not. I think that's what's important here.
I think the meta has changed. I mean, looking at how successful patreon has been, I'm not so sure big companies even matter anymore.

Holy fuck, it's fucking unbelievable how shit this place is. It's fucking worse then v, pol and b put together. Fucking parade of broken, jelaous animals without any artistic merit. Even tumblr and deviantart are better then this shithole.

>>1970322
You're enjoying this, aren't you?

>>1970314
stop blacking in your eyes jesus christ

>>1970315
So you admit that you don't have a single example of Kron tracing and your entire plan for this conversation was to spout retarded /pol/ memes until people get tired of your idiocy and just ignore you?

>>1970322
oh come on now, there are good people here. a lot of shitty ones, but good ones as well. you can never get 100% with any internet community. hell, even 40% is a long reach.

>>1970294
>>1970322
I have to agree. Those kiddies won't let kr0npr1nz steal in peace.

Oops, I mean, make his TRIBUTES in peace.

>>1970287
This is actually worrying. Disregarding Kr0n at the moment. What is someone was that accurate that it did look pretty much 100% like the study, would people still accuse them of tracing? How would you feel if you were an artist with that amount of analytical skill? ( would you be flattered or offended? I know I certainly wouldn't want a 'witch-hunt' after me.)

>>1970314
you're actually improving, congrats.

>>1970322
/ic/ has always been full of assholes, but never to this degree. I've seen plenty of threads about art theft, copyright, blah blah and the usual response is "who gives a shit".
No idea where the fresh injection of extra-strength assholes came from.

>>1970320
it's too expensive.

Sakimi is in danger. Disney and Marvel lawyers go after people at cons. I think the rule is 10 copies of prints for marvel characters is ok. I have no idea how these guys at cons circumvent this. I hear popular artists get CnDs. They usually ignore shit artists.

Sakimi draws frozen and marvel right in her splash page. I don't even care I fully support her, but shes in danger if she sells prints. This Patreon is new territory though. You can't argue shes selling marvel DC or Disney fanart. Patreon is more of a subscribe to me like I'm a magazine. No limit to how much you wanna pay model.

>>1970332
Just say that you referenced it in the fucking comment section, and don't go around telling others that they are unoriginal for copying stuff if you do it yourself. It's not rocket science.

>>1970335

It's cause a lot of /pol/tards started migrating around back when moot was fucking around with their board and several of them stuck around here. They're the kinds of people who live and breathe this shit.

>>1970315
Good boy

>>1970230
it has everything to do with it retard. sounds to me like you're just bitter that shitty fanart gets more faves on DA than your sperged out OC that you think is oh so original and unique and PLEASEPAYATTENTIONTOMEWHYWON'TYOULOVEME!

And since you're so original, I sure hope you don't rely on stylistic genres (such as anime, etc) that have been developed by other people. But I'm sure since you're so "creative" that you came up with your own in a vacuum and your work is in no way derivative of anything that has come before. Otherwise, you would be "riding the coat tails" of those ideas.

You guys are acting like a bunch of K-netizens, FFS!

>>1970332
I've been accused of it here, and it sucks. You just kind of have to ignore it and move on, and be glad that you're not successful enough to catch the ire of some people with an axe to grind.

>>1970341
No, /pol/ has always been here and on the contrary all of the boards go on /pol/ and then they bring their shit back to their homeboards and everyone blames it on /pol/ when in fact /pol/ is a multicultural board that houses all of the other boards into one Libertarian paradise.

As a matter of fact I have witnessed one of you faggots post merc_wip during the attack on polharbor.

>>1970338
>>1970316
Finally he's start draw original art/fan art.
Most stunning thing was that people don't know about his copies. Really? EVERYONE knew. Japs top artist who follows him, me, /ic/, deviantart, tumblr, /a/. There is a people who watched Tokyo Ghoul but don't knew about this >>1970165 HOW? IT"S FROM OPENING FUCKIN OPENING

>>1970332
kr0n is distressed by this. he doesn't want to lose his pledges, obviously, but he also doesn't want his artistic integrity to be sullied because he made a decision that a lot of people didn't approve of by posting his studies. anyone can tell he didn't trace anything if they just look. some of them are lazy, and maybe have blurred bgs like the animation, but that's the point! he was doing studies, he was focusing on the face, hair or other features that he wanted to learn from. a lot of his fans are making it worse with their stupid remarks, but most should just ignore them. he got a wake up call from this. why would anyone want to drag him through the mud now? just for some studies?

>>1970340
You didn't even read my post did you?

I'm taking about being accused if tracing a study, just because your attention to detail and proportion is on point.

>>1970340
>and don't go around telling others that they are unoriginal for copying stuff if you do it yourself

well, we didn't see the original image, maybe it was an exact copy, or a real trace, like some of you seem to think kr0n has been doing? also, even if it wasn't. we all say things we regret. i mean, just look at Jimbo right now.

>>1970353
And you didn't read mine? Tons of artists are good enough that their studies could pass for tracing, but nobody cares because they actually specify that it's a study. If you start hiding things, only then people will actually start suspecting you. And then they will start accusing you of other things as the shitflinging gets momentum.

>>1970338
You can draw fan-art freely to be honest.
Client asking you to draw something.
You're draw something "free"
Then client paid by his own will
This is how it works. No prices on page. And you don't sell prints by "own".

>>1970332
Pfft, look at the Bahi threads. He CONSTANTLY being accused at tracing, rotoscope, etc IN FUCKING ANIMATION where these things can instantly become evident by any who knows shit about animation. But he is, to haters surprise, praised by legends of japan animation - only /ic/tards don' believe

>>1970316
GG he lives in japan. And those people over theres will probaably never ever hear of this.

>>1970367
>praised by legends of japan animation
Yet not one source of this was ever posted.

>>1970351
>why would anyone want to drag him through the mud now? just for some studies?

Because those people are bitter that he's making bank while they aren't. Insecurity and jealousy.

>>1970364
The thing is. For most of the shit he did. He DID say it was a study!

>>1970369
You are literally retarded piece of shit
http://akill-blazard.blogspot.ca/2013/09/some-people.html
https://twitter.com/honnyaku_blog/status/404273688020656128
https://twitter.com/leseanthomas/status/531688856886591488
https://twitter.com/Thomasintokyo/status/460959938605371392
https://twitter.com/cindy560a/status/536048214818844672
https://twitter.com/sekise10/status/366561598522925056

>>1970369
Doubt this is true. But he is popular in japan.

>>1970365
i guess that's why it's called freelance XD?

or is it like being an art mercenary? funny that we always draw mercenaries and dragons XD

why do we pay taxes george?!

>>1970365
Do you not know anything about IP law? She even uses prints as incentive via rewards. Shit Kr0n doesn't even do. She's not innocent.

>>1970371
this is like the only answer and argument coming from the thieves.

99.2930354% of the people defending kr0n don't even steal like he does! Yet their insecurity is even more transparent than the accusers.

Y'all wasted time burning someone, who will come back an even bigger hit. Then once he makes a come back this shit starts again, way to start the circle of life.

>>1970376
>image for ants doesn't even read past the title
>most of those guys aren't even Japanese
>The other half either worked with him or for the same companies
It's like you don't even know how Japan works.

>>1970385
Stay jelly :^)

>>1970382
>thieves

Every fan-artists is a thief. Companies that own those IPs just aren't insecure faggots about it like fan-artists are.

>>1970384
laymen are less generous and more retarded about plagiarism tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMwhZryRUr4

Get in here faggots

>>>/pol/41310554

>>1970386
Jokes on you I make more money than him by my patreon alone.

>>1970385
Not the anon you're replying to. But I remember seeing Ohira praising Bahi as the newcomer with most potential. Not that I am too fond of Bahi's animation myself.

>>1970387
>Every fan-artists is a thief.

This is getting into like some philosophical meta physical(sorry i dont know the buzzwords for that shit) argument about what is and what isn't tho.

let's keep it simple, please?

>>1970382
better than the troll arguments like "TRACE" or "THIEVES" imo

I mean, come on. everyone called him out for his studies, and he even came out openly about it. like it has been said already, he didn't try to hide anything, why? because he didn't think it was wrong. that's literally the only logical conclusion. he didn't think people would explode because he posted a his studies, which are all originally made works, even if they are the same composition. well, people exploded. most of them didn't even have a basis for their argument other than a kneejerk reaction to a couple of study comparisons that look like they could be traces. well that's how studies work, sorry to inform you, and they aren't traces, and yes, there's obvious proof if you'll take the time to look at it.

so where's the counter argument? that what he did was wrong? alright, we get that. he already openly admitted he was wrong, and he made steps to fix the mistakes. do you want him to commit seppuku next? do you just want more attention to the subject? it's the trolls who don't have any legs to stand on.

>>1970392
lies are not concrete. i hope those lies make you feel better about yourself.

>>1970394
>Ohira praising Bahi as the newcomer with most potential
Well yeah it's one of the tweet he linked. Gaijins are like a fan attraction in Japan, it doesn't surprise me that they are praising him. It would be much more uncomfortable for them to mention another Japanese animator.
It's like how if you can speak Japanese as a gaijin they will all start congratulating you like you did something incredible as the monkey that you are from their point of view. It's the same with Bahi. Poor guy and his fans don't understand how Japan social interactions work.

>>1970398
He can be right due to fact animators in japan are literally starving

>>1970403
How's a college student making money? Does she sell her body or something?

>>1970403
at least scandalous voice actresses can get their wad of cash

>>1970295
It's shit like this, that makes me afraid to draw.

>>1970410
It's a trial anon. Conquer your fears, trace and photobash your way to success.

>>1970387
fan art is low risk middle reward
actually creating things is high risk high reward, but requires both double the effort and skill. fan art only requires basic fundamentals.

>>1970396
I hope:
>He stays alive. No I don't want his suicide.
I think he's an ok guy.

>People forgive him. Sakimi is giving him a break, so why not us?
HAHA probably will never happen.

>So he plagiarized and profiteered in most of those examples. We won't use the word trace, copy, mislabeled, tribute or whatever, it's insignificant now. He fucked up, and admitted it.
>His fans admit it was some dishonest shady shit.
HAHA NEVER.

>He comes out and acknowledges his mistakes. He'll never say he plagiarized, but whatever.
Achieved.

>He leaves his journal open so people can fairly express themselves. I was super impressed by this, he should get more credit here.
Achieved.

>He makes it clear what he's doing in the future
>Looks like he will be serious about this, so
Achieved.

>He keeps making autismbucks from his Patreon supporters.
>I want him to make that paper bitch.
who knows...

>He grows as an artist. Come on nigga time to do work. Something I want for myself too.
Remains to be seen.

>>1970411
But, I don't want to trace, I want to learn to draw. It just seems like even then people will accuse me of stealing from somebody.

>>hey Anon it's perfectly fine to do studies and use references for your work
>>whoops, now that you've used them you are the devil *sharpens pitchfork*

>>1970422
Redrawing something is not study or reference

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>>1970425
Then why are people in this thread making it out to be the same?

>>1970425
Its acutally is...You clearly dont know what a study is.

>>1970380
What a fuck are you talking about?

>>1970425
>>1970436

Don't you 'redraw' it, in order to learn techniques and stylisation?

>>1970425
>Redrawing something is not study or reference

You aren't an artist. And if you are, you aren't a good one.

Has /ic/ make its mind up yet?

>>1970252
>>1970291
A'ight, here's how references go down.

You can make copies from reference, or you can study from reference.

When you copy, you do exactly as it sounds and you either make a painting like the reference either by eye or tracing(!).

When you study, you look at the various elements of the reference and figure out how they work and why they look the way they do then incorporated those elements into your own painting.

Here's where the trouble starts, where did your reference come from?

If it's a photo you shot yourself then cool, do whatever you want with it (even trace it!)... after all it's your photo and you chose the composition and the exposure and subject matter and everything already in the photo.

If it's a public domain work, well you can legally do whatever you want with it... but think of all the things that have been done for you. The subject matter is hardly your own, nor the composition, the colors and values, et cetera.

If it's a privately owned work subject to copyright... well you can see how there might be problems with copying it right?

So why do so many artists copy from clearly copyrighted images? Practice, learning. By copying from another image you can learn the actual technique and craft of making a painting, which is obviously very useful.

The problem with Kr0npr1nz is he took these copies and sold them as prints, plastered them all over his Patron to get donors, capitalized upon what should strictly be a non-commercial work. That's a big no-no, I don't give a fuck if he strictly "traced" them or not this isn't about using a particular technique it's about wrongly appropriating and commercializing the work of other artists.

How then, might you use reference for your own commercial work? Remember studying? Actual studies, not mere copies. Maybe you like the way an artist or photo handles values, color, composition, need to reference how the drapery falls for a curtain, and so on.

>>1970475
And to add on a lil' extra that didn't fit in the character limit...

Whether you've incorporated a reference as part of a study or copy is a matter of how much of the work is your own versus a particular reference.

If you're painting someone sitting in a room, and you need help with the curtains in front of the window, it's fine if you look up pictures of drapery and work that in as an element of your image. Chances are pretty good you'd have to transform the reference anyhow to make it fit, you'll get no gruff for doing this.

Now say you paint a figure reclining in some grass which looks identical to someone else's photo of a person laying on a couch that's pretty bad... all you've done is swap out the environment yet the focus of your image is identical to someone else's work.

However if you took that same photo and painted in their figure as just one of many in a landscape scene then it's obvious your work is the landscape and not the figure, and your work wouldn't be particularly changed if you had to use some other reference instead.

And again, that figure will likely have to be transformed to fit in your landscape anyhow.

>>1970475
>So why do so many artists copy from clearly copyrighted images?

Ease of access is the reason a lot of artists copy from copyrighted images. A lot of artists are just lazy and don't invest into their craft to the degree that's needed (ie buying a fucking camera, going out side, taking photos). Plastering his studies and reference work all over his Patreon wasn't the issue. Selling them as prints were. But selling fan-art as prints in general is a problem but artists do it anyway because of they a warped sense of entitlement.

As mentioned here >>1970426 he is literally doing what he's been trained to do and it does it well. If people want to support him based on that then that is perfectly legal. It's been stated a million times, the people who knew of him, liked his work, and even supported him, were well aware his shit was heavily referenced because he constantly stated as such. He might not have stated it 100% with EVERY SINGLE POST but he did it enough to give the general hint that most of his shit you were seeing from him was from reference.

>>1970444
Thats what a study is...Youre basically stidying their image.

Kr0n is daijoubu. He didn't even lost anything.
I'm glad to hear. Poor Jimbo

>>1970542

Of course he's fine. This entire thing was blowing hot air. He barely did anything wrong.

So after all this shit, the one looking like an ass in the end is poor Jimbo. kek

>>1970376
>literally
you sound so childish misusing that word

>>1970484
>>1970503
What I worry about is that after all this time working hard doing drawing practice and studies, that once I do work from imagination people will say it looks to similar to something else and then accuse me of stealing, even though I didn't.

>>1970550
This only thing he did wrong was selling his studies. Him actually doing the studies was fine. The people in this thread damning doing studies to learn and using reference is ridiculous and not going to get far.

>>1970509
Why are people in this thread saying its wrong?

>>1970614
95% of his fans knows about his studies.

>>1970617
They're trying to find excuses to hate Kronz even more.

>>1970650
This 'witch- hunt' is terrible and counterproductive.

>>1970314
Holy shit she always looks so sad like she's aware of her existence, learn to kawaii pls.

~reminder that the italian masters traced all their shit with the camera obscura, and the girl with the pearl earing was also a trace~

>>1969287
When you looks at it for more than ten seconds her disproportionate head and its position, as well as stilted shoulders and fingers become obvious.

>>1970617
Because "studies" are for studying and personal growth not for raking profits. Especially when you are copying other artists, or material without permission, in that case this stuff shouldn't even be posted online or placed in galleries. And it doesn't even look like he's learnt anything because his online activity makes it seem like copying was always his end goal ad infinite and it would go on if he hadn't been called out.

>>1970403
Where the hell can I hire japanese animators at that cost?