/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Wait Tumblr was calling him out before us?

>>1969217
>wh...at's going on in this... tttth..thread?

All he has to do is post videos of it and prove that he isn't tracing.

Oh wait that's impossible.

>>1969221
OP here
it happened in about same time
Honestly all this time i though he was just good at copying. Now i feel fooled.
Also
>pic related
the fuck Robaato is talking about? What mistakes? Kr0n admits he is a cuck?

>>1969227
who is this robaato fellow?

>>1969236
some fanboy? Who cares?

>>1969237
he seems important, and his name implies importance, so i think knowing who he is will help everyone here

>>1969217

post this

http://www.reddit.com/r/Art/comments/2uybt2/popular_patreon_artist_kr0npr1nz_accused_of/

bring the tumblr fags in this, let it get some wind to burn correctly.

>>1969240
>>1969237
>>1969236
He's a relatively popular afro-american artist who is working on a videogame called Cyamore.

>>1969217
I think this is getting blown way out of proportion. In MANY of the works you posted he said below it "referenced from photo" or "referenced from figurine" or "as seen on (anime)". SOME do not say that which could be deliberate or an oversight who knows. This is a pathetic witchhunt over something very small. Its not like this is new information. All of his work has always been like this. He should post his source, and he usually does, but beyond that he has done nothing wrong.

>>1969298
Except make money like a lazy piece of shit. Imagine if somebody took all your art and refined it as studies and made money off of it.

>>1969290
>afro-american artist
why would you even

>>1969303

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it's illegal to take other peoples work and put your own artistic spin on it. For example, painting the mona lisa smoking a cigarette or something. I'm curious to know where that line is though.

>>1969290

robaato is overrated

>>1969303
pic related, thats how i would feel

>>1969321
No shit you can do it if the artist is dead since almost five centuries years.

>>1969309

>>1969326

Girl in the green looks like a bad actor.

>>1969405
why would you do acting in those kind of situation?

>>1969406

I'm saying I just don't see the emotion on her, she looks like someone bumped into her and spilled her drink.

>>1969409
or in utter shock to express other emotions clearly.

>>1969412
>>1969406
What are you trying to prove?

Saw it on my dash today, most people aren't against what he's doing, which is pretty silly in my eyes. It is true that he knows what he's doing and that his copies aren't 100% traced, but some of them are so uninspired they could be considered to be something like a vector over an original piece.

So does he actually have an OC?

>>1969425
Kr0npr1nz have a really good skill and is more than capabel to produce quality art. But when he started getting money for art that appeal to teenage anime fans, I think he couldn't keep up with new interesting ideas, that would be exactly his fans wants. So he is making those studies, because he need quantity at this moment, not quality. And those images are what he gets money for.

I'm pretty sure he could do very original and interesting art, but he wouldn't get as much money. I kind of respect the way he milks his fanbase, but I don't like the way he does this. For me he is better buissnessman than artist if this makes sense.

I also really like that this faggot got told. EVERY major art site was contaminated wis his art, wich are bland "oh so pretty" stylized portraits. I hate those goddamn portraits, and he produces a metric shit ton. I don't even want to start on chromatic abberation.

>>1969458
Well, as it currently stands with his fanbase population, he could get away with posting more original/interesting artwork, but before he really started posting fanart, you'd never be able to break surface with original art. It's just how life is in terms of popularity, except he wasn't taking true advantage of his situation by posting his originals after all of that fanart.

Post fanart - gain followers - Post original artwork after you're secured. That way you can make up your own world and the fans would be in full support of it.

>>1969458
Forgot to mention, kepokk has a great post about this on tumblr which I agree with 100%.

How much pieces does this guy have to draw each week anyway?

>>1969465
Technically he only has to post one in order to get his pay each week.

>>1969465

2 per day.

>>1969474
Oh shit I didn't see that part in his patreon. If he really has to put out 10+ images a week, he's setting himself up to burn himself out and lack the motivation to do anything. Which I bet is one of the reasons why he was doing this in the first place.

>>1969479

Yup. With psd, video and so on for every pic.

>>1969479
He goes as far as to trace the shadows on them. He REALLY wants that money.

>>1969479
>mfw the quality drops due to the hard work he has to do from now on
>mfw his patreon decreases and people get bored

muh 2.5k

>>1969493
>>1969497

Go ask your mommy for lunch money.

>>1969502
nigga

all I have to do is trace your mommy for money

>>1969505

>>1969461
There's nothing wrong with posting fanart to gain attention, in fact, it's the right way to do it, because your art will be seen by large fanbases easily. Thing is, his "fanart" are almost exact copies of other fanart/original work, which is why this thread exists in the first place. I'm sure no one would care if he did original fanart pieces for whatever he likes and gained lots of attention and money for it.

>>1969524
>I'm sure no one would care if he did original fanart pieces for whatever he likes and gained lots of attention and money for it.
Have you seen the Sakimichan threads?

>>1969531
Give me a summary? If I'm not mistaken the agreement is that she's an good artist that never steps out of her comfort zone.

I don't mind it, her fanart is original.

>>1969536
Shes also fairly good at avoid uncanny valley despite how much rendering she does on that anime-esque style of hers.

>>1969544
There's no uncanny valley when it's not realistic. Her art is realism.

>>1969544
Yeah, props.

>>1969544
>uncanny valley

How often do people even run into that problem? I mean it is a painterly anime style.

>>1969572
That generally only applies to art attempting realism, and sakimi's artwork is nowhere near realism, nor trying to be due to the face shapes.

>>1969574

Her rendering is moving towards realism, compared to most other anime artists at least.

My point was she strikes a pretty good balance with her rendering and how she stylizes faces, maybe I used the wrong term. Too much emphasis on realism would make her shit look rather creepy and dolllike.

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Why do we need like 3 Kron threads at the same time? Just keep it in one. Hiding a new Kron thread every hour is getting slightly annoying.

>>1969596
We need to decrease his paychecks as much as possible.

Life lesson.

>>1969321
I think the line is "doing a study" and then making a fuck ton of money off it. Especially when they look very similar. Maybe not exactly the same, but close enough that it would anger the original artist.

But with fan art... idk the line gets blurry.
Still, making money off someone else's creativity? fuck that.

>>1969217
>Cause kr0n calls this studying.
Good for him. Still doesn't change that he's making money off of the work of other people.

>>1969648
The least he could do is be like other fan artists and do an original pose and angle. More money, more lazy.

>>1969326
Maybe if she took the towel off her damn head.

>>1969596
Why does the same guy keep announcing that he's hiding threads?

>>1969675
Probably because it's not the same guy and more and more people are getting annoyed with you obnoxious GG faggots spamming our board with this shit.

>>1969675

Nothing quite like bumping a thread with content you dislike.

>>1969675
>I don't know what a shill is

What the fuck happened to this board man? Everyones acting like a bunch of hyenas. Dude makes a lot of money, and yeah its fucked how hes doing it but going around saying "whos the next target"? What the hell has this place become? It's as if all 4chans worst boards seeped in to fuck this place.

>>1969712
I want kr0npr1nz shills to go

>>1969712

To be fair its just one or two retards stirring shit.

>>1969217
It can be a study. Study has a goal. What was his goal?

>>1969405
This is the funny thign about real life. Real wounds for example can look totally fake.

>>1969718
>What was his goal?
Cash?

>>1969717
>28 posters
>2 retards stirring shit

c'mon kr0npr1nz you can shill better than that

>>1969712
You know it's like60 seconds between posts and 1 person can write like 20 posts while you go away for a meal right?

Add in 2-3 people stirring and it sounds like 100 people are raging. Truthfully I share your sentiment, but relax its just a very effective loud group if a few people going back and forth.

>>1969723
>what is proxy

>>1969728
>>1969724
>>1969717
>>1969712

is there really any need for all these threads? fair enough the guy makes money off of literally tracing shit but it doesn't warrant all this shitposting.

You guys focus on this top tier artist, he has done lot of work without references , he doesn't trace he just use a reference and tell us when he does, he even post a link to the references on his DA. No big deal.

Meanwhile Noah Bradley is on the go, spreading his 'art' all over the web, making workshops and no one seems to rise a voice to point all the errors, lack of originality, lack of fundamentals, and how he is constantly using references for everything and actualy fails at it.

>>1969733
drawing the same picture all over again is not a reference

>>1969326
This Pulitzer's winner photo is fucking disgusting I'm tellin' ya.

>>1969733

you are a fucking idiot. making big bucks by tracing is not fucking comparable to being a shitty artist who makes reasonable money that's slightly disproportional to his skills. noah bradley gets hate for being a douchebag/asshole and taking advantage of stupid artnoobs. kr0n gets get hate for making a fuckton of cash TRACING other peoples work.

>>1969741
Again, must we reiterate? Kron doesn't trace.

>>1969733
Show me the original non copies. Everything he does is a tribute, in quotes.

>>1969744
No, he doesn't - i don't know why everyone says that.

But he copies.

>>1969747
It's in the first fucking post

>>1969736
did you know he used a reference for all his caracters landscapes etc? Did you know the only thing he can paint without reference are ROCKS. This artist is trully disgusting.

>>1969741
Reasonable money..? Noah makes more than Kron you dumb shit

>>1969755
>Noah makes more than Kron you dumb shit

i seriously doubt it. kron is/was making 10k a month from patreon alone.

>>1969773
>it's not blatant stealing if I call it a tribute

heuheuheuheuue

Ok, in all fairness to Kr0n, he obviously had to use a reference for his version of Hermione, other that that I get the controversy.

>>1969749
Before he got called out, numbskull.

>>1969822
If you're a pandering ass and never read the books, sure

>>1969325
>Robaato
>Overrated

No, shit he is. His anatomy is shit and he draws fanart all the damn time. But what do you expect from someone who doesn't know how to use reference?

>>1969805
It's how musicians and most of hollywood get out of massive lawsuits.

>IT'S A HOMAGE! We shouldn't have to pay anything since we changed one pixel/chord

I don't know why anyone makes OC. It's unprofitable and nobody cares. I bet everyone here's OC is completely shit.

>>1969862
http://motherlandbooks.tumblr.com/

Just some OC that's not shit

>>1969862
because everyone's OC is a faggot a furry a dragon or a mercenary. They all read the same books, watch the same movies and shows and follow the same blogs.

Nobody ever unplugs from their social media.

>>1969805

>it is through men that I am once again given form, men to whom I wish to pay... tribute.
>Tribute!? You steal mens oc and make them your shills!
>perhaps the same could be said of all fanartists.

>>1969326
Fuck! I though this when the mafia dumped all that rubbish in Milan. Gives us a warning next time!

>>1969217
Originally written for >>1969846 (thread got bant)
I wrote this up real fast, I'm sure there are arguable flaws. But here.
>tracing anime when you're a preteen(probably won't get you caught)
bad

>tracing anime and posting it online at any age (will get you caught quickly)
stupid and bad

>profiting on copied others cartoons and photos / forging paintings
Unprofessional / stupid / immoral / potentially psychopathic

>copying a photo, painting or cartooned image, being clear that you copied it.
Parlor trick. But shhh calm down, it's ok.

>Painting bowl of fruit, forging/dissecting a master painting or cartoon, drawing from the figure, copying/dissecting a photo
Unquestionable training, it's ok. The bowl of fruit is fine, it's your creation. You want to cite the forging/photos. And you may want to ask the model for permission to publish their likeness. Usually they sign a release that allows you to publish their likeness for non-profit.

>fan art
Just be careful when dealing with Disney and Marvel lawyers. Fans usually like seeing this, but not art directors. This is more of a career thing. So it's usually ok. Sakimi is protected.

>Tracing / copying / forging
All training tools in the right mindset. Can also be a waste of time if you have no idea what you're doing. And can clearly be plagiarism, if profiting or not crediting your sources.
>if you took the photo
Do whatever.
>public domain
Use your head, but you can probably do whatever you want.

>Using every resource possible to visually convey your ideas, ultimately bringing something new to the table
The safest path of gaining merit.

>>1969862
Shut up Anon-kun my OC is amazingu

>>1969879
what is art etc.

>>1969901
>Just be careful when dealing with Disney and Marvel lawyers. Fans usually like seeing this, but not art directors. This is more of a career thing. So it's usually ok. Sakimi is protected.
>Sakimi is protected

No she isn't. She's at the mercy of every company the owns the IP of the characters in the fan-art she profits from. Her not getting blown the fuck out is the company showing generosity, it's not that they can't do it. They are in every right to, they just aren't over protective dickheads.

>>1969862
I'm envious of people that can have the same oc's for years... I get bored of my shit after a few days

>>1969406
palestinian propaganda? happens all the time.

>only 6,856 notes/reblogs
they're not even trying.

>>1970116
a few ill informed tweets = palestinian propaganda.
>it has only 1 re-tweet.....
please jew shill. leave.

>>1969409
sorry its not hollywood grade reality.
believe it or not. reality is a whole lot more cold and boring than your movies.
i bet you have never even seen a real dead body that was not your grandmother.

>>1970662
The weird thing about death is that when you see it so much and it becomes a normal part of every day, it just doesn't show on the faces anymore, but the pain in the heart never really stops.

He's being dishonest by using other people ideas to profit, literally a thief, but I must admit some of his artworks look better than the originals and together with his realism studies, it's obvious that he can actually paint, so why would he do that?

>>1970696
>He's being dishonest by using other people ideas to profit, literally a thief
so anyone who has ever made fan art of any show is a thief?

also, he does it because he admires the artwork that he uses the studies on.

>>1970716
Don't strawman that guy's post.

Fanart is okay, copying 90% of your image from someone elses fanart or art is not okay.

>>1970716
>also, he does it because he admires the artwork that he uses his studies on

How do you know this for sure? Are you best friends with him or something?

>hurr its what he said on his DA/FB/Patreon

Misguidedly true at best, a back peddling lie at worst.

>>1970716
Fanart and copying are different things, both can be considered illegal if you make profit of copyrighted characters, but usually only copies are reproved by the art community for an obvious reason.

>>1969321
>For example, painting the mona lisa smoking a cigarette or something.
There is a time limit of a century or so after which copyrights expire and the nation is becoming the owner, or something. Parodying Mona Lisa isn't illegal anymore with the artist being long dead.

>>1970732
>>1970720
>>1970718
People who can't let it go.

His patreon numbers are up. The hate is gone, people have changed their stance on him, and he is moving on with his art career. You guys couldn't ruin him with your shitty logic, and now you're eternally butthurt.

Nice try though. Not really.

>>1970740

Shit dude I'm just stepping in to correct you.

Consider me as butt blasted as you want, if it makes you feel better.

>>1970745
You can't correct someone with false logic, lol. I guess that makes you feel better though.

kr0n's still making money. You guys still are not. Continue whining about OC and watching your commission queue continue to stagnate.

>>1970752
What do you expect from the salty realm of the buttmads? All these guys can do is diss people better than them, or find any excuse they can find to not be getting better.

>>1970749

The logic seems pretty legit to me, its probably just our personal views on the matter.

Wouldn't it seem wrong to you if someone took one of your drawings, copied it (not traced), added a bit of stylization and made money off it?

Thats completely different to someone taking a character of yours and redrawing it in a new pose and new lighting and perspective as "fan art".

Theres the logic, and if you can't see that then alright.

>>1970761
Here's the thing. 90% of his studies can't be traced back to any artist. They are screencaps from animu. I don't completely disagree with you, but this is all pointless really. If he was taking actual art from people on DA or pixiv and doing it with 0 credit then I would probably be more willing to take the other side, but again, it's %90 animu screencaps, a couple of photos that were honestly pretty heavily changed, and um.. screencaps from movies? Maybe 1 or 2 from a manga. That's why the logic really has no weight to it. Unless you want to claim that we should feel sorry for the animu companies that someone made a fan render from a screencap of one of their episodes, in which case, we differ in opinion.

>>1970772

Mmm fair enough.

>>1970772
>90% of his studies can't be traced back to any artist. They are screencaps from animu.
Then he's copying the animators whose drawings form the anime

>>1970772
Anime is made by artist, did you know that? The least he could do is to call it a study, but he wasn't doing it. Wait, listen to me, before you spaz out. He really wasn't. He only tagged his photo and movie stills as studies, but not his anime fanart. He just called it "fanart" so I guess fanart to him is copying stills and manga, but it's really not. He's either really dumb or feigns ignorance to get away with it. "Tribute" my ass.

>>1970813
>>1970800

I didn't know /ic/ was a bastion of proper reasoning. I'm sure none of you proper gents do anything like use cgpeers or download any reference materials that are usually paid for free either.

Yeah, nothing else either of you said really holds any relevance to me personally. If I was an artist on an animation team and someone drew a nicely rendered pic based on one of the frames I animated, I'd be like KEWL MAN. I guess some people just want to grasp onto anything they can to keep their hate fueled train of doom chugging along.

>>1970778
you are retard.
get that checked.

>>1970716
>>1970740
Your average kr0n's tumblr defender right there, aka basic cunt completely detached from any form of common sense or intellectual and ethical integrity.
Thumbnails of those circulating comparison pics make me think I see double, it's literally the same thing, the same fucking thing to the last strand of hair and minute detail. Ya know, when 70% of intelectual effort has already been done for you, in shape of composition, color palette, anatomy, rendering the animu samface is a piece of cake. The problem is that referencing is like riding a tricycle, sooner or later mommy will have to take that third wheel away. Seems like kr0n has to learn how to ride a real bicycle now.
Funny how dumbshits like you still defend that uninspired hack after he himself admitted his mistake and amoral behaviour.

>>1970833

???

>>1970833
>You came to your senses and agreed with something I don't like!
>Ur a retard!
>Quick, someone post a hate kr0n thread on reddit! Let's not get it deleted 40 times first though, and try to get people to care this time!

Give it up. This is painful to watch.

>>1970837
>Big words, no substance, lots of hate words, attempts to troll

Pathetic.

>>1970752
He obviously got skills, deny that is ridiculous, but I can't approve copying as a legit way to make money just because he is good.

>>1970831
you're grasping at straws trying to defend your idol hack.

>>1970922
I don't think I'm the one who is grasping. No one here is really making any arguments or counter-arguments, most of this is just name calling. Mission accomplished, time to drop it. There's literally no point in this anymore.

>>1970848
Copying is a legit way to make money. It's up to the original creators to defend their work from copiers if they are that worried by more skilled people taking it as their own. Ideas are not physical objects that can be kept from people like deeds or vehicles. If you have an inspirational work, be prepared to be copied or stolen from.

There is no 1 OC limit on anything.

>>1969217
Everything about this kr0n shit is pathetic. Both sides of it. Pls stop.

>>1970925
Your argument is that you wouldn't mind it, that's not really an argument now is it? Stealing art is stealing art + the person in question is a huge faggot with his double standards about tracing artwork.

this is why this board is full of autistic good for nothing still live with their parents nevergitgud bunch of faggots.

The dude was making bank making studies or copies or whatever, and you guys are killing his revenue stream, which means his kind of patreon are gonna get rarer and rarer.

Don't you fucks understand that if idiots like him or noah succeed it actually means you can do it too, and get the financial reward that goes with it?

all this MUH ORIGINAL PIXULSS MAAAAAAAN! horseshit is counter producive. you wanna make art? buy a hat, move to paris and get a new haircut with a shotgun!

you guys are killing ways to make money with art with ur dumb prepubescent jelly shit. grow up!

>>1970935
>implying this even scratched his patreon income

>>1970935
No! I'd put a sarcastic reply about how I am an entitled little bitch with originality wanking, but I agree with you!

So fuck you!

Opinions?

>>1970935
Hes still making mad bank. Infact. His numbers never even dropped. They went up.

>>1970940

Shallow quote which can be interpreted in a variety of ways and which falls apart under any sort of logical scrutiny.

>>1970941
He was at 3k before this started.
Now he's at $2,521.35

>>1970934
No, this is exactly what I was talking about. You have no basis. He didn't trace anything. He didn't steal art. Look up the word steal. Studies hurt no one. A bunch of screencaps from some animu episodes got a complete redraw with a completely different style and everyone is all Internet police all of a sudden. No one gives a fuck dude. Now go back to pirating your fucking Samikamikichan tutorials and crying out for Internet justice to be brought against those poor Japanese/Korean animators who had a quick screencap that was probably reused 100 times before that episode redone by a popular artist who is trying to learn from you. Oh man.

>>1970943

I remember checking midway and he was at 2480 per week. The very first time I saw a thread about him on /ic/ (months ago) was some bait-tier post about how he was making 10k a month (roughly 2.5k a week).

You have to realize that most of his patreon base consisted of his die-hard fans, guys and girls who wouldn't so easily give up on their idol over some minor drama.

>>1970941
It went down.

Now he's forced to stay at home and do much harder work now that he can't trace.

>>1970947
>>1970943
That was actually right as this whole thing started. After things heated up his funds actually stayed stable, and now they are going up and he has higher exposure thanks to this, so expect more of the same. If anything you guys did him a favor.

>>1970952
He's not going to do more of the same. Sakimi who he looks up to told him to cut this shit out.

But keep jerking him off just to be contrarian and this delusional "moral high ground" of yours for supporting some guy who you think is a victim.

>>1970929
Copying is a legit way to make money. It's up to the original creators to defend their work from copiers if they are that worried by more skilled people taking it as their own.
You're craaaaazy. Artists are protected by law from copyrights infringements. It's up to YOU to prove your innocence in court in case you get sued for plagiarism.

>>1970959
Woop dat be some jelly and hatred. Holy shit anon. Go blow of some steam, hire a whore or something, hot dayam.

On a less serious note, I meant expect his revenue to keep climbing, but you didn't grasp that part and blew up for no reason, which is completely unsurprising considering the average IQ of this board. I await your reply. I'll be here all night, and all morning, when all you fucks leave for the night, I'll still be here, and when you wake up, I'll still be here. We can talk about jerking off like you seem to like to talk about, or anything really, just hit me up.

>>1970967
different anon here
you sound like such an annoying cunt.

>>1970967
You have no life or job? How do you pay the toll to your idol? Allowance or lunch money?

>>1970975
You probably think a lot of people sound like annoying cunts. That's how all angry people are. Everyone is a cunt. Have a nice day.

>>1970975
Delusional tumblr whore, they get pretty crazy if not medicated.

>>1970982
None of your business. One day when you stop being so asshurt, maybe you'll take a look at your own life and improve it. Then you can live it how YOU want to live it. Life? Debatable, and your side has no weight in this debate, so lets leave it at that. Job? I make money doing what you hate others for making money doing. I'm open to any topic, but lets keep personal details out of it shall we?

>>1970986
I've never had, nor felt the need for a tumblr. Next?

>>1970945
>He didn't steal art. Look up the word steal. Studies hurt no one.
Yes they do if he's claiming them as his own work. If I do a piece of art, someone copies it and steals it it's stolen from me. It hurts me because I don't get paid for my work. I'd call him out even if he didn't make a dime off of it just because he's a faggot criticizing other people for tracing.

Nice projecting though, I give it 4½/5 on the grasping at straws scale.

>>1970993
I give you nothing then, because he never claimed any of them as his own. Not to mention he made an entire post to the contrary to all of his fans on DA. Thanks for taking the time to screenshot that though.

>>1970995
>because he never claimed any of them as his own
Not crediting the people whose works he traced over is equivalent of claiming they are his own. You don't have to explicitly specify you didn't steal the works you post as your own.

I saw he made a journal post claiming he never traced works despite the mounds of evidence against him. Editing the credits in afterwards only goes to show how full of shit he is, knowing that he can't salvage the situation but still wants the money.

>>1971008
Well, I guess everyone who draws any kind of fan art should credit the original creator of any character they draw in your world. Because an artist created that character, and put the time and effort into creating it. So every single piece of fan art that has that character should credit the original artist who came up with the character. Anyway, he claimed his wrongness. There's really no point in pushing this further. It didn't do shit with the tons of people on the bandwagon yesterday, and it won't ever do shit from now on since most of those people have switched sides or realized the damage is already done since they are mostly reasonable.

As an artist, its perfectly fine to use references in your art! I use them all the time when I create my works and there is nothing wrong with it.
The thing people ITT are failing to understand is that he stole entire CONCEPTS and COMPOSITIONS of art, and this goes beyond using simple refrences. Aside from his original style, he did nothing to make that concept/ composition HIS original own concept.
Now this in itself would be fine if he was granted permission to copy the concepts/ compositions, but the major issue here is how he was profiting off of these hard planned concepts/ compositions that others have made. He practically drew them down to the raw and original bone.
In case you haven’t noticed, concept in art is pretty important. Designers sometimes spend more time planning out a piece then doing the actual art itself. This is unfair to the original artists who spend more time slaving over mountains of failed concept sketches, and then for him to take their hard work and sell it is just a kick below the belt.

>>1970935
You don't even realise how dangerous is what you're promoting with this post.

>>1971025
No doubt, but they're mostly screenshots, and he said he won't do those kinds of studies anymore. His fans are clearly not bothered by it, so in the end it doesn't even matter. They're the ones paying his bills.

>>1971021
I take that strawman as a sign you conceded all of your previous points.
>Anyway, he claimed his wrongness.
I doubt he's going to the right thing from now on but only time will tell. He's still a scumfuck until proven otherwise and deserves all the shit being flung at him.

>>1971029
I don't know how representative Op pic is of his art, but I managed to count 4 screenshots out of 22 images. Rest are photography and fanart of original/official art.

>>1971035
or, not of

>>1971034
>I take that strawman as a sign you conceded all of your previous points.
>I'm going to call your post a word I just learned yesterday from an image I saw on 4chan and just try to sound smart and you have no point!
Good job, detective retardo. Anything to win those Internet arguments with as little effort as possible right? I mean, I'm glad you moved past topkek and lulz and other stupid meme of the month shit, but come on.

>>1971035
Alright, well it's still all official art from either a screencap, a manga, an action figure, or in maybe a couple cases official artwork. He wasn't trying to hide it obviously, and most of these people probably even knew he was using their art. I've counted a bunch more from anime screenshots, but most of his manga pics are in that op picture. Either way, not a single one is a trace.

>>1971021
>Well, I guess everyone who draws any kind of fan art should credit the original creator of any character they draw in your world.
Yes, in fact that is a good etiquette on DA, I don't know how many artists, but your work may not be accepted in various clubs if you don't specify copyright of your reference. On the other hand DA is a breeding ground for all sorts of bad attitudes about art theft and plagiarism acceptance so I'm entirely not surprised people like kr0n and his followers originate from there. Same goes from tumbr whose userbase is A-OK with reposting art w/o credit, editing and watermarking art that isn't their and so on.

>>1971047
>Either way, not a single one is a trace.
copy and trace are the same thing, smartass.

>>1971050
They aren't entirely the same, different paths, same destination. Everyone who has traced has copied but not everyone who has copied, has traced.

>>1971050
No, they aren't even close. Tracing doesn't use a single brain cell. Copying requires knowledge of form, line, measurement, etc. He drew every single line, and he colored every single pixel himself. To say that is the same as tracing is obtuse to say the least.

>>1971047

What makes a copy so much less worse than a trace anyway? Is it the level of difficulty or skill involved?

Can I get away with tracing someone's work whilst blindfolded and standing on a 7foot pole?

>>1971029
>His fans are clearly not bothered by it, so in the end it doesn't even matter.
So you see nothing wrong with stealing things as long as the buyer doesn't care? That's some sound logic right there.

Plagiarism is not as clear cut as directly stealing physical goods but ethically it's equally despicable and the person doing it deserves to get all the shit he is asking for by being a dishonest art thief.

>>1971058
No, because you wouldn't be able to trace if you were blindfolded. However, you could make a copy of something if you had a good memory.

>>1971058
In terms of morality, they are basically the same, but copy is indeed much harder than tracing.

Drawing from scratch is immensely harder than copy though.

>>1971055
>He drew every single line, and he colored every single pixel himself.
So do tracers. Kr0n clearly has several traced works where, some he didn't even bother to tweak to make it less apparent. Arguing semantics is not helping the case of either side of the discussion to make their point.

>>1971060
How did you come to that conclusion? I've already said my part on the matter in his comments, and I don't need to say anything else. No one who draws any fan art is really in the right if they didn't get permission first. This whole issue is really a grey area, and there are two sides with good sound reasoning. At the end of the day, he got the memo, his fans got the memo, and what happens from here on is up to them. I'm not the Internet art police, and I'm not an Internet art judge.

>>1971064
> copy is indeed much harder than tracing.
That is nonsense, you can only trace certain elements of an artwork, like the outline and basic composition. At some point you're going to have to start filling those shapes with color. How are you supposed to trace color?

>>1971058
Copying improves your art skills unlike tracing. Claiming product of either kind as your own is unethical and monetizing is flat out illegal.

>>1971066
By several, I'm sure you mean 3, and they are impossible to prove as traces. Most of his work is very close to the original. Maybe he got lucky with those and almost got it spot on? No one can really prove otherwise. As for hiding the fact, I don't think he even tried, because he didn't see a reason to try. Which is a good indicator that he had decent intentions from the beginning.

>>1971069
>his fans got the memo
They won't be getting the memo from him that's for sure. The more noise people against him make the better educated his fans are.

>>1971077
Seeing the response this issue received on dA and tumblr, I imagine he wouldn't have a reason.

>>1971079
There isn't going to be any noise. Yesterday was the noisiest it will ever get for him unless he does something really stupid. He owned up to his mistakes, and the DA community, his backers, fans, reddit, hell, half of 4chan all accepted his apology.

>>1971081
Most people are on the other side of the ethics debate, that's all. They've seen the evidence, and they don't think it's worth hanging him over.

>>1971071
It's you that don't understand the concepts.

Tracing means trace over something, if you're not tracing anymore, then you are referecing/copying.

You can do both, but Kron only do copies, he never traces.

>>1971077
Semantics dont make the argument for him any better, it's still stealing.

He explicitly called other people out for stealing art in the past so he clearly was against the practice, yet he did it himself without crediting the originals. Claiming that he had good intentions about stealing art is just ridiculous.

>>1971092

should I make another reddit thread ? last one didn't get good momentum

>>1971087
>Most people are on the other side of the ethics debate
That's an euphemism for openly apologetic attitude of that shit, lol. But no wonder, these sites are known for their terrible habits. Also reading their arguments it doesn't at all seem like they evaluated anything, they're just support their art guru or don't know the issue in any depth or don't know about the profits.

>>1971092
m-maybe he got mad like you did that you can make money with stealing/copying... t-then he started doing it out of spite... n-now he's on the other side and you will repeat the cycle... t-then sometime in the future someone will call you out for stealing... a-and they will do the same!

>>1971061
Every artist need to eventually copy to improve, it's part of the learning process, but tracing isn't, it's just a tool to effortless reproduce some drawing.

Ask for someone with no artistic ability to copy a master's work, that person would never be able to make a good copy without a lot of trainning

>>1971092
Well, I didn't see the other piece of art, and I doubt you did either. Yeah, his comment was snarky and sounded like a typical 5 year old rant, but like I said, I don't know anything about the work he was referring to, and I'm sure no one else here does either. It could have been an actual trace for all we know. All he did was what we do in the reference threads, but with animu artists that he looks up to, and he happened to post them. Which he now understands is wrong, and he isn't going to do it from now on. Ethically was he in the right? Who knows. There's a lot of grey area there. Everyone has opinions, but no one really has the one answer. The point is no matter what the answer is, nothing more can really be said on the issue. It's all been said, debated, etc in thousands of posts and comments over the last couple of days. Minds are made up. No one is hanging over this, and no one really needed to in the first place. It's a silly matter that got blown entirely out of proportion.

>>1971096
Learn from your mistakes. A new one will get no more attention than the last. People outside of /ic/ and a few others don't care one bit.

Hey guys, what's going on here?

>>1971100
I agree, but he didn't trace, so that's not really an issue here.

>>1971100

FFS, everytime I read

>Every artist need to eventually copy to improve

I fucking tell to myself that this person is retarded, and that she doesn't understand what the fuss is all about, but I'm not gonna comment cause this is a waste of time.

But holy fucking shit, this is what millions of people keep saying since the beggining so I have to intervene to at least save this person from the stupidity.

Kr0n uses reference, that's ok, good, fine, everyone uses reference to improve.

Kr0n doesn't say reference, implies originality, sells work as his own, makes profit off of people work for reference, That's fucking illegal. that's what the fuss is all about. not him using references

fuck me.

I have a different problem. I can't force myself to reference or study anything, for the longest time I wasn't even using anatomy studies to draw. I dunno I just really want to draw things my own way, repeating someone else's work is such a chore.

>>1971115
>Kr0n doesn't say reference, implies originality, sells work as his own, makes profit off of people work for reference, That's fucking illegal. that's what the fuss is all about. not him using references
He asked you to forgive him! Lots of people make money off of characters that aren't theirs.
>fuck me.
No.

>>1971118

>He asked you to forgive him! Lots of people make money off of characters that aren't theirs.

they start from scratch, not paint over it.

>>1971120
Alright, well he got slapped on the wrist already. Would you like to see him on the ground groveling, or what? Because I don't think he's going to do that for a bunch of silly 4channers. He already asked forgiveness, and he got it from the people who matter to him.

>>1971122
we want to see him hanged so that we can feel better knowing that theres one less person in the world better at drawing than us

>>1971115
I'd say referencing is okay but there's a limit. Those studies he's made, some of them are just plain blatant copies with very minimal personal input. He's not going to reach any better skill level with that practice other than ... copying skills. Coming up with your own ideas and referencing when it's necessary is much harder than having others do most of the conceptual work for you.

>>1969217
You fuckers realize getting the subnormals at tumblr on this only means we won't be able to make easy money in the future right?

Who am I kidding, you're all a bunch of faggot losers who were never gonna sell a single piece anyway and ruining your career prospects just to spite some random slav is worth the witch hunt you're setting up.

>>1971127

What do you mean easy money? Do you really expect d/ic/ks to do the same shit kron has been doing?

>Who am I kidding, you're all a bunch of faggot losers who were never gonna sell a single piece anyway

Why are you so mad?

>>1971101
>It's a silly matter that got blown entirely out of proportion.
The fact that there's so much grey area to this means it deserves to be discussed. It's an ethics issue yes and nobody deserves to hang over it.

I'm all for doing studies and getting inspired by settings/compositions etc. but the level at which he did it without crediting the originals until he got called out for it barely counts as grey area anymore. Including money pushes it over the line. I don't think he at any point thought he was completely in the right for selling prints of clearly copied pieces of art but that's just my opinion, based on my personal experience with art thieves.

>>1971127
>You fuckers realize getting the subnormals at tumblr on this only means we won't be able to make easy money in the future right?
What the fuck are you talking about?

This entire Kronprinz and samikichan episode has to be the most boring this board has been in over a year.

Comissions and fine art galleries are about making a name for yourself, Contract work in the industry is about connections and a banging portfolio.
It's nice that you all want to take care of the art industry but it's a diseased little creature and it's up to you to step up and become a part of it rather than whine about it on 4chan.

There will always be an artist that is less able than you earning more than you, just like you will never be the best artist alive.

>>1969497
>He quickly becomes a much better artist free from the crutch of tracing.
>Now he makes 5k with one piece a month.
>/ic/ regurgitates vile

>>1971137
And who is the best artist alive nowadays, mh?

>>1971130
>The fact that there's so much grey area to this means it deserves to be discussed. It's an ethics issue yes and nobody deserves to hang over it.
This is hardly the place for that discussion though. DA might be the only place on the Internet worse for it. It's like taking the future of vegetarianism debate to a butcher convention.

>>1971138
>artist free from the crutch of tracing.

He's forced to now complete easy shit every week. He won't get gud, since he won't have time to study, nor does he know how to.

I hate his colors. Why is it that you can give a decent color palette to a gaijin wrapped in a box and they'll still manage to fuck it up.

>>1971127
If his art promotors ever google him up and this thing comes up, what then.

>>1971154
I wouldn't say he fucked them up. I mean, his fanbase always talks about how amazing his colors are, so clearly people do like them. A lot of people.

>>1971139
The Art history books in 250 years will remember a choice few but it probably won't be any of us.
Craig Mullins holds a special place in my heart however.

>>1971156
Anon I don't care about popular opinions. Most of these people have no clue or taste, his colors are the washed up, overfiltered eyesore.

>>1971129
>Why u mad?!
Because I do make money on fanart and now tumblr is gonna nitpick shit to the pixel.
Remember how retarded eschergirls got? Imagine that with a bunch of mental faggots acussing everything of being ripped off because you used the same composition, pose or colors as some entirely unrelated shit.

>>1971156
Mirriads of flies. Most people thinks that aberrations and kodachrome-like filters are good.

>>1971142
That "he" you speak of is yourself. This anger in your heart is the anger you feel knowing you'll never make it.

I'm sorry anon.

>>1971161

Drop the ego mate. You're safe no one will hunt you down.

>everything of being ripped off because you used the same composition, pose or colors as some entirely unrelated shit.

Kr0n wasn't doing it that lightly. He was using the same subject. comp, pose and colors for his 'studies'.

Look what happened to him in the end anyway. Exposure, slightly more Patreon bux. You have nothing to be worried about unless you're going to closely mimic what Kr0n's been doing, and to the same degree.

>>1971158
>The Art history books in 250 years will remember a choice few

kr0npr1nz, who overcame great odds when his studies were unjustly called out by a bunch of 4chan trolls.

Sakimichan, who became the worlds first Internet celebrity artist to earn over a million dollars a month from patreon pledges.

Noah Bradley, the greatest digital environmental artist during this period.

Sycra, he changed up the game with his pointy chins, which quickly caught on and became the standard for all anime inspired artwork from this point (no pun intended) on-wards.

Jimbo, the most hated artist of all time. When his rival and arch nemesis kr0npr1nz took the majority of his fans, he set out on a manhunt in search of the elusive Japanesrussian that had tormented him for many years. An epic battle erupted between them, but kr0npr1nz came out victorious as his hordes of deviantart fans came to his rescue, paralyzing Jimbo and turning him into a chibi. God rest his soul.

>>1971160
That's the thing. Who cares about "proper" taste if it isn't popular? You're an artist who wants to sell work right? Who decides what is popular? Those who bend the rules and do their own thing, or those who are stuck to an old fashioned rule that was made by some old dead bastard? Evolution is an everyday process, and art is evolving. kr0npr1nz just happens to be better at it than you or I.

>>1971168
You missed Genzoman who popularized thigh trombosis to such degree it became the premium cosmetic surgery of the 21st century.

>>1971169
I like my art better than I like his :^)
And yeah his colors are bad.

>>1971185
>I like my art better than I like his :^)
There's a reason you're the only one.

>>1971191
Oh no, I'm not the only one. I have fans, but I stopped posting art online ages ago, I realised I just don't care about any of my art blogs or notoriety. And I was able to live from my art w/o the additional buzz.

>>1971193
>Oh no, I'm not the only one. I have fans
We all do anon, we all do. Stickfigure sonic kids on DA have fans too.

>>1971196
Good for them!

>>1971021
>Well, I guess everyone who draws any kind of fan art should credit the original creator of any character they draw in your world
Yes. They should.
Of course, with anything that is mainstream popculture people will know that you're not the original creator without having to be told, but there are a lot of less-popular characters and settings out there, that your average person would just assume YOU came up with if you don't give credit to the original creator.

I just don't understand how there are people stIll supporting all his actions the art comunity really has gone to the shitter

>>1971425
Because autistic as fuck deviantart fan boys f that's why

>>1971425
Because deviantart lol

>>1971425

The same reason why there are people who support creatively bankrupt fan-artists who can't make OC for shit? The art community has been shit the moment people let fanart cancer have such a huge presence.

>>1971432
>b-but muh dragons, a bloo bloo bloo a bloo bloo bloo

>>1971434

>Why improve my creativity when I can just draw the characters of better, much more competent, content creators and pander to the cancerous part of those fandom?

Fan-artists are cancer and are as creatively bankrupt as China.

>>1971425
Because they are just like him so they don't even see any wrong in what he's doing. Internet doesn't care to understand intelectual theft.

>>1971425
>>1971435
I don't know about others but drawing fanart is the same as any kind of fun activity in a fandom for many many artists. It's more of a self serving act of pleasure. Not everyone draws fanart for attention, many do it because they want to see things that aren't in the canon, like their OTP kissing. Nothing wrong with people drawing things they love, nothing motivates to improve quite like the power to draw your OTP the way you like it. Problems start when it overtakes other artistic activities.

I think his drawings are distinct enough than the references, and Sakimi, who criticizes him, copies just like him, maybe more.

>>1969325
yeah, i got bored of his shit real quick.

>>1971705
You're joking, right?

>>1971705
Distinct as fuck.

>>1971717
Hermione , Phoenix Wright, that girl from punpun, and that girl with the sweater seems pretty distinct to me

>>1970935
>>1971025
>>1971088
>>1971168

>>1971733
Literally the only difference between his ver of Aiko and the manga is the sweater, even the background is the same. As for the rest, hurr dhurr liquify tool on ps-> enlarge the eyes > shrink the mouth -> paint over -> voila.

>>1971639
>Not everyone draws fanart for attention, many do it because they want to see things that aren't in the canon, like their OTP kissing.
>nothing motivates to improve quite like the power to draw your OTP the way you like it.

Like I said, creatively bankrupt. If seeing your "OTP" kissing is the reason your drawing, if seeing that is what motivates you to get better at art, you ARE creatively bankrupt. You're a typical cancerous fantard. Anyone who's portfolio/ body of work is littered with or dominated by fanart and not OC, they are doing it for the attention.

>>1971715
Robaato is literally "What if Bengus was a shit artist". His anatomy is almost always fucked and he hasn't cared about improving for years. But what do you expect from someone who thinks they are at a level where they don't need reference, when they clearly still do?

I think I don't care about this.

There's no such thing as "cheating" in art. What works, WORKS.
Sure, he's using other people's intellectual property without permission, but I really don't give a shit about that, and I don't see why anyone else would. Doesn't like a solid third of /ic/ use a pirate copy of Photoshop as their primary art software? Is there any reason to think that the original copyright holders are being harmed by his fanart?
An argument could certainly be made that all his work is bland an uninspired, and that he's crippling his artistic development, but that isn't really an interesting argument. Sure, I get that talking shit about people who aren't present is sometimes fun, but I generally don't come to /ic/ for that. The only person with a real reason to care would be the artist himself, and I don't think he's here.

I keep reading his name as "Kronpenis".

>>1971773
Your preconceptions are entirely ungrounded.

>>1971787
Kronopenis ~classic

Going through his da page rn his fan boys are the biggest kr0n cock thirsty faggots I've ever seen

>>1971825
don't worry they aren't going to make it

Predicting reply
>HURR YOURE NOT GONNA MAKE IT EITHER

>>1971825
They're degenerate fucktards

Also have you seen how shit his latest pic is compared to the others

>>1971905
No, post it?

>>1971922

>>1971930
Yeeesh. On the camera right side, the jacket is going tighlty over the breast and up, on the left its like to the side of the breast and free floating.

>>1971930
Not sure what to think about this

>>1971930
This actually looks pretty amateur compared to the rest

>>1971930
>ruining my two favorite characters from that show with this shit
Yack

>>1971930
I would assume he was better than this, at least.
Kinda depressing.

>>1971943
True words mate true words

>>1971930
I wonder how hard of a time he had doing this. kek

>>1971930
Not sure if I should find this hilarious or depressing

>>1971930
That isn't his most recent, though.

>>1971938
Moral of the story: Always take every shortcut you can.

>>1971930
Uh.

>>1971930
Damn. I... I don't want to believe this.

>>1971930
>>1971975
So which one of those? I don't want to bump his dA page views.

>>1971757
not trying to defend this kr0n guy but rendering like the pheonix wright one takes a lot more skill than its counter part..

>>1971934 >>1971935 >>1971938 >>1971940 >>1971943 >>1971957 >>1971967 >>1971975 >>1971978 >>1971980
what are you chuckleheads smoking, this isn't bad. It's fan art. He's known for his rendering though, why isn't he just rendering like he always does?

This is standard kr0n art without the stupid chromatic abberation and textures.

>>1971991
I'm this anon >>1971975

I don't have an issue with either pieces and I actually like the one I posted.

>>1971987
The black and red one is today. The other one was yesterday.

>>1971987
this one is the most recent >>1971975

...but of course /ic/ will choose to believe otherwise

>>1972006
>...but of course /ic/ will choose to believe otherwise
Well, he did post the other one this morning. I mean, they are both super fucking recent.

>>1971990
Not denying his rendering skills, obviously he'd get good at it after doing so many pics. But
> borrowing essentially everything from other pics
> wow, look at all this time I have left for face rendering

>>1972006
they're both fucking recent

>>1972009
yep basically

>>1971975
This one is okay, red fucking hurts my eyes. Aside of that not much is going on. No detail on the outfit beside texture.
>>1971930
This one is one is pretty shitty. What happened to his persona style ink fills?

>>1971096
More tumblr leverage would help though; tumblr hates art theft and even has witchhunt blogs specifically to find tracers/ thieves.

>>1970965
Everyone he copied doesn't give a shit. That's why no lawsuits are being fired. Copiers deserve to make money if their creations are better than the originals. Copyright infringement is for wiccan girls who have originality issues with Disney.

>>1972120
I agree. The fact that 4chan of all places is crying out for justice against non-issues like this just proves this place is full of jelly trolls.

>>1972120
you're just butt hurt over you hero being a fake you autistic shit