/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

This isn't the first I've heard of this, he's supposly takes months and months and often gets sidetracked and loses info. Multiple people have said he's like back 25 people in commissions and instead works on requests and sketches.

I tend to ignore stuff like this because more often than not the artist is selfish and takes advanage of people. If he really does what many people here complain about he should be reported to PaYPal or whatever site he uses.

>>1962296
I like his art, I don't know if this is true tho, I would appreciate more info on the subject

>>1962302

Sounds like he doesn't know when to stop with commissions and is biting off more than he can chew. I'm glad he's trying to become quicker at sketching by doing requests, but it seems to be taking a lot of his time, along with the more complex commissions he seems to be working on.

>>1962302

To add on, most of the streams of his that I've visited are him working on requests and/or working on this complex commission. He's also working on that Pearl comic and promises to have it done soon but after hearing all of this I'm sure it will be months before we see the completed work.

Wouldn't surprise me if it was true, he's always been a huge flake and a drama queen. He's deleted his tumblr and started a new one with a different name with no announcement beforehand at least twice. Not to mention all the times he's posted a sketch with "look forward to the finished picture" only to never ever finish the picture.

>>1962332

>drama queen

What kind of drama has he caused, besides the anons getting angry at him for putting his uncensored porn behind a paywall?

>>1962331
If he really is so back as most people 25+ then he really shouldn't be doing sketches or a comic when he owes people that much art. Especially if he already took their money, that's just a dick thing to do.

>>1962334

Drama queens aren't necessarily about causing drama, they just tend to overreact emotionally about minor things. Back when he used to post personal stuff on his tumblr he'd constantly whine about petty shit.

>>1962334
Wait, he put up a paywall on his sketches? That's pretty shitty.
>>1962323
If you look at his older Tumblrs before he BAWWLETED them he said that he lost all comission and queue info.

>>1962334
He's always whining on his Tumblr about everything then he deletes his Tumblr and makes anyone when people jump on him.

>>1962332
>look forward to the finished picture

Fucking this. It happens all the time and it goes with what people complain about him. He just "takes commissions and their money" then never does anything. Where there's smoke there's fire.

>>1962336

Maybe that's why he deleted his previous tumblrs. People didn't want to hear him whine about shit and he was like, "Fine, I'll get rid of this and start over."

Too bad he won't be able to escape the people who are owed their commissions.

I'll confess, I commissioned him and had to wait a week and a half before I got the sketches. I don't know if I should be glad that I even got sketch after hearing about these things of his.

>>1962337

No, he only puts his finished work up on his patreon, which is like, "Fine, I get it, you wanna make money off of this that's cool most artist should make money off of their work if it's good" but if his productivity is shit then I don't feel like giving him money.

People are stupid for commissioning a shitty artist. There are plenty of talented artists out there who would love to get some commissions. So anyone who loses money to this guy should probably do a little research before they sling their money out the window just to fap to a shitty sketch of their favorite character taking a floating cock.

>>1962351

Most of the sketches you see on his current tumblr are from requests he takes through his ask box. While he is a pretty talented artist I feel like he needs to just stop taking so many commissions, stop taking those requests, and focus on the commissions that have already been paid for.

>>1962356
Probably a kiddo who has no clue what priorities are. That and people keep paying him for being stupid. So why be anything but stupid if people reward you for it anyway?

>>1962351
This pretty much. I'm desperate for commissions right now and nobody's interested in my art, it seems. Yet I keep seeing these instances of people getting screwed out of their money and I'm just like "how are these guys getting so many customers??"

>>1962363
quantity over quality

>>1962363

He drew a lot of Homestuck smut, so I'm sure that had something to do with his popularity.

I hope you don't mind me asking, but I'd like to see your art blog or whatever you have.

>>1962345
>Too bad he won't be able to escape the people who are owed their commissions.

Then he needs to be reported by all this people ASAP for taking their money. >>1962350
No he's evening censoring his sketches now. I get he needs money so he's censoring and having people do Patreon but if he kept up on commissions then more people would comission him more.

I wouldn't be surprised if after the previous thread about him and this one, he deletes his tumblr again. It wouldn't even help because his art friends immediately follow him and reblog his work.

>>1962376
I don't mind sharing, I'm trying to spread the word about it as much as I can. My sfw blog is already doing fine, although I don't get many commissions there, either, but my nsfw one has like no followers http://onyxhorn-aries.tumblr.com
and here's something I just drew but haven't posted yet >>1962289
I don't know if I just need to be more lewd, or do more color, or what the problem is.

>>1962395

I think you just haven't found the niche your art could cater towards, although that's not really important. You should focus on sharpening your skills and worrying about money afterwards (that being said, having a lot of notes on your artwork would be a great boost towards your confidence).

And you're already doing some pretty lewd shit. Fuckin' orgies and dickgirls, I don't know how much lewder you can get.

>>1962395
I absolutely love your jam.

I can see one reason is your consistency of uploads and another to be not flavor of the month stuff.
Drawthreads usually Remanence over whats already been done or whatnot, the real applesauce is in the discussion of games threads.
Like, I know people want more draw Warframe porn, and Transistor porn. Of course Im working on it, but I take a while to start, but I dont stop till its 2 am.

>>1962395
>http://onyxhorn-aries.tumblr.com

Don't take this as a hate post. I'm going to tell you everything negative I found with your pictures. Use it to improve if you want.

Some of the girls have man jaws (square), a lot of the anatomy and proportions are very off (sweater girl has football player shoulders for instance), everything looks very flat, like you were trying to draw things in 2D and not as 3D forms, no shading, no color, very boring, a lot of your poses seem stiff (work on some gesture dude), a lot of your pieces seem unfinished or uninspired, like you just wanted to pump them out, your art style is all over the place, and I can't really get a feel for the style you're after, it just looks like some cheap random smut that you've been drawing.

It isn't bad though.

>>1962405
>>1962407
>>1962410
Well, I'll do the best I can to take your advice. But I really do need some commissions, I got screwed over by my job and suddenly I'm not gonna get paid until march or april when I was expecting to get paid this month and I don't know how I'm going to make it if I don't get some. I have my problems but I'd like to believe I can draw at least as well as this >>1962296 but nobody's biting. I guess a lot of it does have to do with missing out on what's hot at the moment.

Yes, the rumors are true. He's back on like 20+ commissions and instead of catching up and giving people what they paid he draws sketches and waits time. Then when he gets complaints on his tumblr he starts drama and his fans back him. Truth is the guy seems like a legit scumbag from all I hear, just taking money and losing commissions or just not caring. Any bad news that comes out about him or he can't take the drama like others here have said, he just deleted his Tumblr and makes a new one hoping everyone forgets.
>>1962420
If you're still here Imp, jump on Skype yo.

Yes, the rumors are true. He's back on like 20+ commissions and instead of catching up and giving people what they paid he draws sketches and waits time. Then when he gets complaints on his tumblr he starts drama and his fans back him. Truth is the guy seems like a legit scumbag from all I hear, just taking money and losing commissions or just not caring. Any bad news that comes out about him or he can't take the drama like others here have said, he just deleted his Tumblr and makes a new one hoping everyone forgets.

>>1962350
What finished work?

>Well, if I didn't believe this thread before I do now. Soon after this thread cropped up it looks like he went into full on damage control.

>Apparently the is concerns regarding my commission queue i had up in my old blog. for whoever is wondering whats up with it, its fine i have a back up and ill upload it soon. And about commissions, if you have any concern about them you can send me an ask and in half an hour ill have a commission stream where you can feel free to bring yoru concerns.

>Commission stream an general questions session, join me at Picarto!

It looks like he must be behind so many commissions if after the truth came out he's starting to do them again.

Well, if I didn't believe this thread before I do now. Soon after this thread cropped up it looks like he went into full on damage control.

>Apparently the is concerns regarding my commission queue i had up in my old blog. for whoever is wondering whats up with it, its fine i have a back up and ill upload it soon. And about commissions, if you have any concern about them you can send me an ask and in half an hour ill have a commission stream where you can feel free to bring yoru concerns.

>Commission stream an general questions session, join me at Picarto!

It looks like he must be behind so many commissions if after the truth came out he's starting to do them again.

>>1962472

I guess it's time to ask him questions, then. At the very least we should try to be civil about it.

>>1962474
I was just about to post this as well, it's funny looks like he got caught and now he needs to grow the fuck up.

>>1962474
He's been doing commissions for like 2 months now.

As someone who's commissioned him several times, and has felt a little...taken advantage of...I can at least safely say he's not trying to con people. I've talked with him extensively on and off and he's always open about stuff.

But yeah, it's absolutely ridiculous how long I've had to wait. Others too.

If he's going into "damage control", well, at least he's taking responsibility somehow.

>cant really give you a sole reason for me taking a lot of commissions
>it was an irresponsible thing to do, and i figured i could chew more than i could take
>without taking into account issues in real life
>and i got stuck in this situation

This is what happens when you bite off more than you can chew. I'm certain if whomever made this thread didn't, he'd still not be doing anymore commissions. So whoever made this thread bravo, you kicked his ass. This is something you can't let artists get away with.

>>1962492
been doing commissions *again* I meant

The only thing he's guilty of is taking too many commissions and taking too long to do them. Which is kinda shitty, but at least he's working on them and didn't just up and disappear. As well as a bunch of other art that's pretty sweet.

Also, some crybaby anon has been bitching at him for a couple weeks now and OP made this same thread on /co/ just to bitch.

>>1962492
How long have you waited, I've looked through his Tumblr and I see 1 commission piece done maybe once every 1-2 months. He claims he lost count of how many commissions he's back, people here say he may be back 20+ if that's true he fucked over a ton of people.

To all you up and comers into commissions this is the example why you need to limit your commissions, you don't want to end up like Idle. I stop at 7 commissions, that's the magic number I know I can take at once without going behind.

He just said in stream that all of the remaining commissions will be turned into full-fledged pieces, whether they were sketches or lineart or whatever to help make good on them.

Guy flaked, no denying it, but he's doing what he can to fix it. That's more than some assholes. Also, if you haven't actually commissioned him and are waiting for a piece, no need to be so angry. I hate scammers as much as the next guy, but this is no scammer.

>>1962498
I've been waiting on a piece since July of 2013.
When I think of how ridiculous that is, I get a little mad.

But like I said, he's been in contact with me the whole time. He's been quite open about everything.

For those of ya'll not in the stream btw, he's clarifying that his blogs weren't deleted on his own, they were spam reported (for loli/shota content, I assume) and taken down that way. He told me that in private like a week ago.

>>1962506
>July 2013

Jesus Christ man, I don't care if he's a friend or not you should report him to PayPal or whatever. That's beyond, beyond, beyond fucked up. Did you give him money?

>>1962506
You're an idiot for not doin something about this then, sorry.

>>1962509
He's worked on my stuff on-and-off, and others' as well, plus he's done a free sketch for me. Like I said before, it's obvious he's not conning people.

Yeah, the wait is ridiculous, but I'd rather have the pic than the cash,

I do feel like kind of an idiot for not being a bit more assertive or trying to motivate him, so I guess you're kinda right.

>he lost his commission queue list and all the info yet took the money and lost all info this taking money for nothing.

You can take money long before starting on it?

Uh...kinda related. I commissioned another artists recently who has since basically disappeared.

What do I do on Paypal to deal with that?

Does anyone have a link to the archived previous thread/posts about this? OP says people were talking about it a "couple days ago" but I can't find shit on the archive.

>I need to apologize. I have taken an exhorbitant amount of time to finish the current commission queue; i could go in depth about the reasons behind it, but i will spare you the sob story and admit it was due to my ineptitude and overestimating my capacity of work. Youre completely justified on your concern and alarm. Some of you have waited for months, a few more than a year to get your commission, you are in the right, i messed up, i wont pretend that is not the case.

>Right now some of you are probably considering reporting me to paypal, others not, regardless of what you chose to do, i can assure you, the commission queue will be done by this month, and to make up for the time lost, commissioners will get a full color picture, regardless if they commissioned a sketch or a line art. And for full color pictures, commissioners will get a sketch free of charge. I know this might not make up for the time lost and i dont want to pretend it will but its a start to fix things up.

>The chat on the stream was a success and i want to thank everyone who stepped in andd talked to me. I appreciate your concerns and help. And i hope i was able to clear all concerns, but if there still are concerns feel free to send me an ask or send me a mail to

Looks like he's taking responsibility, good for him and I hope it works out.

>>1962549
Watch them go back and commission him again when they could commission a better artist who actually gives a fuck about his customers

>and not ONLY when people call him out and he gets scared like the shitstain he is
>ohshit real consequences?

>>1962564
He's been back to getting work done for like 2 months now. What do you mean "only when people call him out"?

He's also addressed people's complaints of taking too long before.

I mean I'm not saying it's a justifiable situation, and I wouldn't commission him again. But you're acting like he has been doing nothing until this thread got made, which is simply false.

>>1962564
If he makes good on his promise and finishes it all in a month I think he should be given a pass. That being said he also need to set up a commissions limit, say something like only take in 10 commissions and STOP thereafter so this will happen all over again.
>>1962631
So, he's addressed this problems and yet didn't do anything about them? Someone just needs to kick his ass.

Speaking as someone on the outside looking in I do find it humor that he's started a commission last night, inked it and now is coloring it. He can work fast it just show how's lazy he's been with his commissions.
>>1963123
He can work fast when he wants to so 10 commissions should be easy for him and he can make some good money per month.

His art is alright, but goddamn does he spout a bunch of news shit on his tumblr. I came for lewds, not to be informed.

>>1963130
>he's started a commission last night, inked it and now is coloring it.
Probably had a shit ton of unfinished stuff in his folders and just pulled one up and polished it. Just sayin, don't trust a bullshitter.

>>1963130
He already had the lineart done before he started last night. He also tends to work on several pieces at once.

I mean I agree about the rate he's finished commissions obviously, but still.

>>1963160
That seems to make sense, but he seems to colour is well and fast, no reason to think he can't finish them all in a month if he tries.

>Looks at his tumblr
>This guy has a rabid following even though he's a dick?
>His art looks like shitty scribbles
>I'm gonna make it :D

>>1963212
That's not fair, I think his finished art is pretty good. The problem seems to be how he treated his paying clients but not doing shit for them.

Also, anyone has stupid whiteknight fans no matter what side of media. No matter what you do, there will always be whiteknight that define their guys any actions no matter what.

>>1963232
It's good, but not great. Anyone can get there without much effort really. If they know basic form and construction and how to apply it to different styles. Most of the characters he does are so simplistic and in such an easy style to mimic that honestly most people who have any art training should be able to replicate it with ease.

>>1963239
I think it's borderline great, again I'd never commission him after knowing he pulled people around for over a year.

Wow this guy seems like a complete fucking jackass. He clearly tried to take advantage of a bunch of people and he got his shit called out.

How did people let him get away with this shit for so long?

>>1963362
Because smut fans are walking moneybags with no opinion or brain for the most part.

>>1963365
This. Those people are fucking losers, let's face it. They find an artist to latch onto and support them hoping to get something from them. This is why artist's who like Idlecum don't give a shit and yet get defended by fans.

>>1963373
>>1963365
>>1963362
>>1963288
So did y'all not read the thread?

You want to know how to deal with artists like him? Report him to PayPal.

/thread

Unrelated but it seems this guy can't avoid being bashed for stupidity.

>To make things clear - I assume Idle asked me "permission" to censor the image merely as a courtesy. Of course he has legal and moral right to post the pic however he wants, but I also have the right to post the pic to danbooru/paheal/whatever (as I paid for it, afterall). It's not so much that I gave him permission to censor it, rather it's more of a promise that I won't upload it elsewhere (because then there'd be no incentive for ppl to go to his Patreon to see it).

So, people are paying for commissions, then he's asking if he can censor it and it's appears you can see the finished uncensored version by getting through his paywall on his Patreon. I've NEVER heard of anything like this happening and it's just mind blowing.

I get he as an artist has a right to do this but this is mindblowing that he's trying to squeeze every single penny out of commissions.

>>1963716
Just wow.

is this comics or cartoons?

>>1963716
I'm not shocked at all the only commissions he's been working are his friends M1. Not to mention M1 is a creepy motherfucker who commissions as much art as he can 24/7. He is a fucking bizarre person in general.

>>1963749
>M1 is a creepy motherfucker
>He is a fucking bizarre person in general.
I'm OK with this reputation.
Also I think my commissions were the oldest, presumably why he was working on them.

You are right though, I recently thought about how much art I've commissioned and it is weird.

>>1962395
any way to look at infinipage tumbles but with pages?
this shit fucks with my computer.

>>1963716

So where the fuck actually is his Patreon? He doesn't link it anywhere on his tumblr and I can't find it through Google. Right now there doesn't seem to be a way you can even see the uncensored images, even if you wanted to pay money for it.

>>1963716
Source?

>>1962296

>>1962420
Good luck, we're all counting on you.

I'll never understand /ic/. Someone bitches about tracing and the world is over but an artist is stealing money from people and no one cares.

>>1966678
>trying to understand autistic losers

don't.

>>1966678
For the record, we do care. I already called him a loser like 20 times in this very thread. Keep believing what you want though. Also, this guy is stealing a couple commissions worth of money, and the other is literally a fraud who is stealing thousands from unsuspecting people. Not that most of them care, but still.

He seems to just draw pandering art for the rabid Tumblr fan base so it's no wondering these people don't care he's taking money all they care about is NSFW art they didn't pay for. This artist has no class and it seems liked he's used all this excuses and promises to catch up ASAP before.

>>1966946
I honestly don't think much of vocal tumblr followers, the mojarity of them are just general losers trying to get buddy buddy with artists for some unknown reason?

He hasn't answered a single one of my asks even thought they are legit concerns and questions.

Which is why this entire thread is worthless. No matter what you send or ask him. He has to approve of the asks which means he can decide to ignore this all and his followers will have no idea.

>>1966660
You're counting on me?
I have to admit, I went and looked at more of his finished stuff, like >>1963716 and I'm less confident I could compete with him, actually. The sketches posted here look kinda off and that was all I'd ever seen from him but seeing his more current stuff, I understand why he has a following now.

>>1967909
What did you think going to happen? He was going to let his fandom how much of a lazy scumbag he is?

>>1967909
What questions have you been sending? He answered a bunch of questions very frankly in his stream the other day. Maybe I can pass them along to him - he'll talk to me.

I'm the guy who was semi-defending him in this thread earlier but I still have a commission pending, so if you have reason to think he's up to no good, I want to know about it.

>>1968094
I was asking him how long he was planning on basically taking advantage of people by taking their money and not doing shit. It seems like like he's been doing this since 2013.

I wonder if this thread was never made would he have kept doing it.

>>1968107
I think he posted a screencap of your ask in the stream.
Assuming your ask was what I saw, if you can't figure out why he wouldn't give a serious response to that, then jesus christ.

I know I'm gonna get called a nuthugger but fuck it.
>I wonder if this thread was never made would he have kept doing it.
Like I said before, he's been streaming commissions regularly again for like 2 months now. You know, before this thread was made. And before 2 months ago, he was still doing them, just much more slowly.

>basically taking advantage of people
Yeah that's maybe a valid way to see it. He took fucking forever on commissions, including mine, despite people paying up-front. He never did completely stop working on them though, just slowly as shit. He's stated that he'll be giving free upgrades / sketches in return for people waiting so long. I was in his stream while he did a full color job on what was originally just a sketch, even before he made that post, so it seems he really plans to follow up on that promise.

I'm not happy with how long he's taken, but it seems like people ITT don't know what they're talking about. If you have evidence that he's outright conning people, show me and I'll hate the guy too.

>>1966680
Agreed, pic related.

>>1968181
>despite people paying up-front
>hasn't even touched commissions

That' conning people, he's not only taking money up front but he's taking even more money from others and not doing the work. That's pretty much conning people. Not to mention look here >>1962506
>JULY 2013

>>1968195
>hasn't even touched commissions
Guess you didn't read my post.

>>1968195
>hasn't even touched commissions
Guess you didn't read my post.

Also
>>1962506
is me. I already said how ridiculous it is, but like I also said, I let him off because when I confronted him about it several months back, he apologised and did some free work for me. He fucked up, no doubt, but a conman doesn't own up and compensate when he fucks up.

>>1968195
>hasn't even touched commissions
Guess you didn't read my post.

Also
>>1962506
is me. I already said how ridiculous it is, but like I also said, I let him off because when I confronted him about it several months back, he apologised and did some free work for me. He fucked up, no doubt, but a conman doesn't own up and compensate when he fucks up. He's also now finished that commission.

>>1968221
They do when they are caught redhanded and don't want to get in trouble. Hopefully he's been reported to PayPal and they lock his bank accounts.

>>1964047
>He doesn't link it anywhere on his tumblr and I can't find it through Google. Right now there doesn't seem to be a way you can even see the uncensored images, even if you wanted to pay money for it.
Going by his tumblrs, he builds up his following by being passive aggressive and a massive tease, even making false promises to post uncensored works, commisioned or free.
And to think he still gets surprised at follower backlash.

>>1968334
I'm confused, he's censoring all his art and making a paywall?

>>1968551
He post the censored on tumblr, the uncensored is on his patreon.

He's currently 30+ full commissions back and he's only completed one in 4 days and he's wasting his time on free requests. He promised he'd be all caught up by the end of this month, he's fucked.

>>1968706
He won't make dick.

From what I heard he's frequently having mental type breakdowns. So maybe that's slowing his work?

>>1968847
One thing I learned about habitual procrastinators.
They don't fucking change, ever. They might talk a good game, but expect more of the same, and nothing more.

>>1969279
Your problems should never be other people's problems unless it's something serious. It sounds mean but it's true. I don't care of you're having a panic attack.

GO ON, TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN

And then he/she turned off Anonymous asks on his Tumblr. Way to go /ic/ you've upset another person.

Please get lives. And quickly.

>>1968847
lol where'd you hear that? Except in your own ass I mean?

>still waiting for that commissions queue he said would be up in a day
>that was a week ago

This guy is clearly a liar.

>>1973770
/ic/ was right again.

I've been sitting on this thread for a week. I've been mulling posting on this thread as of May I would given him over $300. And only gotten half of a sketch. I'm not upset about the amount of money as I'm more upset about him basically taking my money. I've talked to him on Tumblr from time to time and he promised me he'd do something month after month. I admit now I let it go because I felt kind of bad for him, he was complaining about being overworked and broke so I let it slide for months.

Honestly, should I just report him to PayPal now? I haven't heard a peep from him since he was more or less outed on this board. Does it make me a bad person to report him? I guess I'm just afraid locking his bank account will ruin his life.

>>1974562
>as of May I would given him over $300.
How can you just not give a fuck about money so much? Do you not work for your money? Are you rich? What the fuck.

>>1974563
I've work as a CEO, so I'm quite loaded.

>>1974563
Working as a bartender in a major city I make pretty good money. He also gave me a 3 piece color deal for $300. So I took it. >>1974565
Is not me.

>>1974562
If you've been waiting just under a year, even if he was a good friend you have the right to report him. You know what you could have bought for $300 over the last year?

Here's my honest advice. You sen him an e-mail with a copy of the paypal receipt and you give him 2-3 weeks to finish your work. If now you report him. Yes PayPal locks banks accounts but you can't control if they do or not. If they do lock his account it's not your fault, it's his so don't worry.

>>1974567
I guess you'd just wipe your ass with that 300 then, because I'd get pissed. Fuck. That. Shit. If you're gonna take money from people then you're going to take all the risks that come along with it. 300 is a month of groceries for me, but I'm not as rich as some people here.

>>1974562
If you report him, just don't say he draws smut or adult material or something. You can report him so as to light a fire under his ass, but if they lock him out for selling lewd, it's for life, and even though the guy seems like kind of a piece of work, it does seem like he just got in over his head and is trying to make good on it, so if it were me I wouldn't want to destroy his entire livelihood. Not to mention if you get his account locked permanently for smut, Paypal will take all the money, so anyone who was hoping for a refund won't even get that, so you'd be screwing more people than just him.

>>1974584
Wouldn't PayPal refund him for the report? Or is PayPal basically a FUCK THIS, WE ARE PUTTING AN END TO THIS

You don't just ask for a refund and poof get the money back. Especially if it has been more than 30 days. There's going to be an investigation and questions asked.

>>1974584
Goddamn it this is what I was afraid of. It would get his account and bank account locked. Fuck...so do I just sit back and take it now? What can I do now aside from fucking over?

>>1974597
Just let him be a crook and fuck over more people then. Not your problem anymore. Good luck ever getting anything out of him. Also, don't make any more posts about it. You either take action or give up.

>>1974584
>>1974597
If this is all true, you honestly have to think real hard about reporting him. You could fuck him up bad and the others he commissioned. It's sad if it really came to this but it's in your hands now. As I said, I'd shoot him an e-mail and give him a deadline after that fuck him if you get nothing.

>>1974590
Not if they find out there was adult material involved, they're very strict on their policy about that so anyone who was involved with it gets screwed over.
>>1974597
It would only affect his paypal account, not necessarily his bank account, although paypal may take legal action against him that could freeze his normal bank account for a while. But >>1974594 has a point, they would do an investigation anyway and if they find out adult material was involved, even in the best case scenario they won't give you back your money and even he will never have the chance to refund you himself. I completely understand wanting to put pressure on him but getting paypal involved is dicey. Like I said it's up to you. As an artist and looking at it from this side though, pressuring him is only going to make it worse. When I get under pressure I sort of lock up. He's taking strides to make amends, and the more pressure is relieved, the faster he'll probably work. Prod him regularly though.

I'm going to write him an email right now. And give him until the end of the month to get my 3 pieces done. Or I'm reporting him to PayPal

Should I be nice in my email?

On top of what I listed here >>1974616 there's another thing that's kind of worrying me. This guy seems to be pretty big, and it seems like a lot of people and money were involved. I'm a little worried that if someone reports him it'll have a cascade effect and paypal will start digging around and looking for other artists using their service to sell lewd. The whole thing could blow up bad.
>>1974624
If you're asking whether to use a civil tone or a bunch of swearing, I'd go with civil.

>>1974627
I hate to sound like a massive asshole but how is that any of my problem? I get others may suffer but why does it have to be because of me when he can't do his fucking work I paid for?

>>1974636
I know it's the cool thing to not give a shit about other people these days but that short-sighted mentality is what's screwing up everything for everyone. Even if you or any of the other people waiting on him don't care what happens to anyone else, reporting him is about the fastest way to make sure you don't get a refund or your art, because once his account is locked he can't do anything, even finishing all the backlog and giving it to the customers won't get it back so he'll have no incentive at all to make good on it and none of you will have any further recourse for being made whole, plus the added possibility of you losing many other artists you might commission if paypal does a mass investigation. It's the nuclear option, everyone loses.

>>1974643
>if paypal does a mass investigation

I think you're overthinking this.

>>1974644
That's just a possibility I worry about, but it doesn't change the most important parts of what I said. If they find out what he's been doing, all the money is gone, for everyone. Then delivering the owed art means nothing because he won't get his account back and there'll be nothing left you can do to him, so he could really just fuck off and leave you all hanging with nothing. At least now he has to make good on it to have any hope of business in the future.

I sent the email and have him a fucking 2 week notice. I tried to be nice but it's almost been a year.

I'll keep you all posted.

>>1974648
You've got a point. I can see PayPal seeing who else the person has commissioned and looking into those artists doing adult art.

>>1974636
Just report him.

I'm glad that conceited and vapid fuckhead stopped following me. I'd happily kick his face in along with many others.

>>1974562
If you have money to spare dont report the guy, just keep pressuring him, tell him how wrong this looks

>>1974616
Maybe you could make a kr0n-like scandal, reunite with everyone who are missing commisions

Ah.

>>1976488
tl;dr

Just fucking report him ASAP

lmao

Paypal forbids both the selling and purchase of pornographic material, so if any of you report him for smut, your account may be scrutinized as well.

Nose, face, spite, etc.

>promise you'll complete all your commissions by the end of the month
>12 days later no commissions are finished

Why are people giving this guy money?

>>1978993
Except since then he finished 2, and finished the lines on another.

Still, I don't expect him to finish them all by March just because of the sheer workload he probably has.

>>1979031
Honestly I'd take his ETAs very lightly, especially since he's upgrading the commissions as compensation. I think it's enough that he's regularly chipping away at them and not taking on any new ones.

Still worry about the amount of time he puts into the requests though.

>>1979051
I deleted that post to add to it.

">>1978993
Except since then he finished 2, and finished the lines on another.

Still, I don't expect him to finish them all by March just because of the sheer workload he probably has left. Plus he hasn't worked on them in like 5 days, or streamed them at least. He is streaming his pearl comic tonight though."

So kinda along the lines of what you said - I get he should take a break sometimes and I don't honestly mind if he ends up a bit past the end of Feb, but when he is working, it really should be on commissions.

>>1979051
He needs to not be upgrading commissions. If he wants to compensate, he should do so after he's finished all the base work. I'm surprised he isn't just offering to lift his paywall for everyone he's fucked over.

>>1979623
Yeah the idea seems really disastrous given how long he takes on color. Not all pieces would be improved by it either, depending on the source material.

I agree that he should just do what he's been paid for and do compensation afterwards.

I got an email back from PayPal they said they will look into the matter. I have him $120 bucks in November of 2013 and I'm still waiting and I'm done waiting. Time to take this faggot down and stop him from taking more money from others.

Unlike the other Anons afraid to report him here I don't care. He's the other person I've commissioned so no one else but him will be affected.

I got an email back from PayPal they said they will look into the matter. I have him $120 bucks in November of 2013 and I'm still waiting and I'm done waiting. Time to take this faggot down and stop him from taking more money from others.

Unlike the other Anons afraid to report him here I don't care. He's the only person I've commissioned so no one else but him will be affected. I urge everyone else to report him as well if he's taken money from you.

>>1981696
He's posted about you on his Tumblr. And it shows no record of your money and he wants to talk to you. That being said it looks like Idlecum is back commissions from November 2013. How the fuck do you let yourself get this backed up in commissions? He is really back a year+ in his commissions, jesus christ.

>>1981696
http://idlecum.tumblr.com/post/110954608836/an-update-on-the-queue-situation

>>1981875
>Now, I’m not going to try and sweep my extreme lateness on my commissions under the rug

So he admits to being behind at least a year's worth of comissions.

>In better news, progress on commissions is going well, my migraines have mostly subsided and the sketchagerie is still open and making progress

So he's done 2 commissions since and promised they'd all be done at the end of this month. He needs to stop doing this sketchagerie shit and just work on his commissions. Also migraines what a horrible excuse, artists that use this or OH IM SICK excuse need to fucking stop. Busy and famous artists like Doxy gets commissions done in days sick or not. Stop with the fucking excuses IDlecum.

>>1981875
Even if people are pissed at him he's making up excuses for himself and his fans are believing it. DO YOUR FUCKING COMMISSIONS YOU ASSHOLES

>>1981881
>>1981890
he's streaming commissions right now calm down

But yeah NO EXCUSES NIGGA

>>1981893
Well he's got 2 weeks to do a year's worth so he better fucking hurry.

I have no say in this topic but it's fun to wath this unfold. Guy seems like a real scumbag.

>>1981895
he started at the beginning of the month
it probably isnt even that much

>>1981918
He's got work to catch up on from 2013, how is that not that much.

>>1981946
how many commissions do you think he took?
Just because it's been a long time since he took them doesn't mean he was constantly taking new commissions for 2 years.

>>1981962
He's over a year late on some, there are no excuses for that. He's a lazy fuck.

>>1962395
Looks fine to me, you probably just need to carve out your style. You look like you're heavily leaning towards Disney, go with that.
Disregard >>1962410 manjaw thing, it's perfectly fine not to give every girl tiny sharp anime chins.
Work on pose, color, drive your style further.

>>1983175
Thanks for the encouragement, anon. I'm trying to do that right now. Here's a wip of something I'm testing things out on >>1982936 This is a slightly outdated version, I've already fixed the dick and some other stuff, but just to give an idea of where I am right now. Probably still no competition for this guy, but hopefully I can get a few people interested.

Any recent news?

>>1981873

Why would you send him multiple payments before he even completed a single piece?

I know online commissions, especially the lewd variety, is like the wild west. But some of the things people do defy common sense. Artists shouldn't start working before receiving payment, and commissioners shouldn't have to pay just to be in a queue. Anything less strict is just begging for trouble.

>>1984325
I think you're misunderstanding. That isn't a record of multiple payments from the same person, it's singular payments from 3 different people. It's showing that Anon never paid Idle.
I agree that artists should be paid after completion of the commission or at least only paid half first though, like you said it's just asking for trouble.
Or even just not pay until they're next if there is a queue.

>>1974565
You should drop me a throwaway email and I'll draw you all the smut you want bby

Godammit I'm so poor, how do I get a following like Idle has?! Eternal sobbing.

>>1984345

Ah, got it.

Accepting multiple payments is all on the artist, then. Even if he were an honest person, this is like putting an 18 course gourmet dinner in front of a starving person. He'd eat until his stomach ruptures.

>>1962324
Sounds like me, I have a bad habit of taking on way too many commissions and than getting overwhelmed by said commissions. By the time I'm finally caught up I'm completely drained to the point where I have to take a hiatus.

>>1984459
why stop there? get a following like sparrow, graveling or slugbox

>>1985159
>get a following
Ay, there's the rub.

>>1984325
Regardless he takes money before starting the commissions it seems. Both he and the people giving him money are stupid. It's like giving s stranger money and hoping they don't walk away.

I just find it funny he cares more and this request thing and that stupid Pearl comic then you know, catching up on his commissions he owes to people.

>>1984783
The point is he's taking money before doing any work. Most artists including myself, do 50% on sketch then when the clinic oks the sketch they pay the other 50% and I finished the piece in under a week. This Idle guy is an idiot for taking the money up front and the clients are maybe even worse for giving it to them.

He openly said on his Tumblr he will draw lolicon and shota. Don't be surpirsed if Tumblr bans his account again for the 4th time.

Someone should report him to Tumblr for all the shit he's done anyway.

>>1985963
How do you report a Tumblr? I'll report him, he seems like a real scumbag.

>>1985963
>>1985970
You two sound no better than the tumblr SJWs.

>>1985976
Well seeing how loli and shota aren't allowed on Tumblr.

Any legit updates on this guy? How many commissions has he done since? Is he making any progress or had he already stopped caring?

>>1985994
>Caring about loli and shota on 4chan
>Caring about Tumblr's rules on 4chan

>>1985963
He said he'd draw it, not that he'd post it on Tumblr. That's why he specified no loli/shota for sketch requests. I asked him about this before and he says anything remotely loli or shota commissions he gets in the future will go to Pixiv.

>>1986004
The other day (friday I think) he streamed progress on commissions for several hours. He was working quite slowly though, seemed to go AFK a lot. Not impressive progress IMO, but his last few sketches weren't streamed, so I'd like to think he's worked on commissions more off-stream. Time will tell.

>>1985963
He said he'd draw it, not that he'd post it on Tumblr. That's why he specified no loli/shota for sketch requests. I asked him about this before and he says anything remotely loli or shota commissions he gets in the future will go to Pixiv.

>>1986004
The other day (friday I think) he streamed progress on commissions for several hours. I wasn't paying close attention though so I don't know how much actual progress he made. I'm worried, but his last few sketches weren't streamed, so I'd like to think he's worked on commissions more off-stream. Time will tell.

>>1986085
You're worried? Is this guy mentally unstable or something?

I haven't really seen an answer to this and I'm genuinely curious. How did he become so popular? His art is pretty good, I think his rendering is better than his fundamentals, but even with good art, what do you do to market yourself? Was it mainly the drama that caused so many people to hear about him?

>>1986319
Just worried that he won't be finished with his queue in a timely manner, I meant.

>>1986326
He's been posting art for years. He did a ton of MLP art a few years ago, which is probably what got the majority of his attention, if I had to guess.

>>1986326
He seems to just do the popular Tumblr following shows.

Adventure Time, Steven universe etc etc. It's all low hanging fruit.

>>1986331
Assuming you are who I think you are, you sure defend all his shit actions a lot and the second they are posted on this thread? Do you have a life M1?

>>1986332
>>1986331
>He's been posting art for years. He did a ton of MLP art
>It's all low hanging fruit
Ah, okay. That makes sense.

UPDATE

Got an email from PayPal today that was not a automated one. They said they do see what they call "questionable" transactions on Idle account and are looking into it and that an investigator will get ok touch with me soon to get my exact story.

The wheels are in motion, hopefully I can get my money back.

>>1986554
Oh thanks. So now none of us will get our pieces done. Well done.

>>1986563
And you're upset with me how? Blame Idle for not doing my commissions that's over a year old or not answering my emails or ignoring my asks. I have nothing to do with laziness and poor work ethics.

>>1986554
What did you even commissioned?

>>1986554
you didnt even commission him

>>1986339
Doubting that he'll finish commissions in time is defending him?

It's the opposite - I come to this thread because I want to make sure he's held accountable. I still have a commission coming, and even once it's done, I want to see others' get done too. I know I've defended him some, but if you look at some of the info I've said ITT, I don't think he'd be too happy.

But yeah it's me, and yeah I'm a massive sperg. I don't know why I care so much aside from my own commission, but it doesn't hurt to check the thread for a few seconds once a day.

>>1986565
Still don't know why you waited until now, when he just got over whatever IRL stuff tripped him up and started working on what he owes. He can't take any more commissions until these are done, so yours would be in line if you'd just stop trying to fuck him over every 5 minutes.

Not saying you shouldn't be pissed about the delays but it sounds like you think Idle is some big company lots of money and an call center. It's just one guy and things can fuck up time to time.

>>1986593
anon didnt even commission him, there's no record of the commission. Anon is just trying to fuck with idle.

>>1986597
If that were true then why is PayPal looking into it?

>>1986602
Looking at Idle's other transactions, probably.

Iris fuck off, I'm starting to hate her.

>>1986554
Way to go faggot, you fucked over those of us who have commissions from him. What do you have against Idle?

>>1986554
Way to go faggot, you fucked over those of us who have commissions from him. What do you have against Idle? The guy is clearly working hard to catch up and better himself and you come along and ruined it for him and the rest of us.

Really, if you ruin his life by shutting down his PayPal what will you gain? Idle is a good guy and doesn't deserve the shit you are putting him through. Fucking jackass.

>>1986597
Hopefully they're just trolling. There's a chance that they'd get in worse trouble for what they commissioned from him if they did report it.

>>1986630
I hope, Idle seems like he's really trying hard to catch up. He's a good guy.

>>1986593
>it sounds like you think Idle is some big company lots of money and an call center. It's just one guy
Man that's another thing that really sucks in this situation. He can't even get any help from anyone to make it go faster because it has to be his art. It's also pretty dangerous that the info about being able to shut someone down completely by reporting them is getting out, at least it looks like it's getting around. Opens up some scary possibilities.

It's sad to see his friends/fans just showing up in this thread to defend him.

>>1986935
What's sad is simple buggers who can only see things as a 'pro-skub/anti-skub' debate. You either hate a guy and want to ruin him or you're sucking their dick. Grow the fuck up.

Even with the irl issues, Idle fucked up by taking on more commissions. Nobody's defending that. Nobody EVER defended that. Now he has to finish all the stuff he owes before he can accept any more money.

I doubt he's going to make his deadline with the time he takes on pictures but at least he's not rushing through them. I'd rather wait a while longer for my turn than get something half-assed.

That's my piece. Feel free to just write me off as the 'Idle defence force' or whatever.

>>1986966
Everyone here should know that M1 (this poster) is Idle's friend. Your posts should be taken with a grain of salt here.

Any updates from PayPal?

>>1986554

I hope for your sake, as well as everyone who has pending commissions with Idle, that Paypal does not uncover the nature of the transactions. Paypal can confiscate transaction funds of both recipient and sender for transactions that break their rules, and that includes for adult material. They can also freeze funds indefinitely and close accounts. When this happens, you'd have no recourse except arbitration, as Paypal is not technically a bank. You're forfeiting your money and probably still not getting a pic out of it.

>>1987428
Yeah seriously. If they closed Idle's account and he wanted to be a dick back, he could just stop drawing everyone's pics. What're they gonna do? Even if he has money to refund them without a paypal how's he gonna send it? And shit why bother finishing the old commissions if you can't take new ones? If paypal looks too close we may see the shit REALLY hit the fan, but I'm hoping it'll go the other way.

>>1987450
yeah instead of just idle losing his account, all of his commissioners could lose their accounts as well.

>>1987450

He doesn't have to be a dick for there to be blowback.

Paypal doesn't want porn for two reasons. First, adult businesses have higher rates of returns. Second, Paypal doesn't want their brand to be associated with porn. If he didn't advertise his commissions with Paypal, he's fine on the second point. It's the commissioners who may get in trouble on the first, because the nature of freelancing/commissions means that it is really the commissioner who is soliciting an adult transaction. Idle could argue he just accepted the gig, then the commissioner changed terms and asked for a pornographic drawing.

This is all compounded by Paypal's apparent enthusiasm for screwing individuals on private transactions. When they freeze funds, they don't actually return anything to the buyer. Back when Minecraft was a one-man shop, they froze nearly one million dollars in his account. The customers didn't get their money back.

>>1987500
>>1987518
Yeah looks like a lot of people could get fucked over here. Hopefully Paypal won't go that far with this one. But why did they freeze out what's his face, Mojang? Doesn't seem like he'd be doing anything illegal by selling his game. Is it just because he was making so much?

>>1987047
Not me.

These are me:
>>1962492
>>1962506
>>1962510
>>1963771
>>1968094
>>1968181
>>1979054
>>1981893
>>1986085
>>1986588

I've been plenty critical of him.

another night where he streams for several hours but its 90% him doing nothing

having someone's commission on the screen isn't gonna make it done bro

>>1987938
>another night where he streams for several hours but its 90% him [not doing my commission, so it doesn't count]

Fixed. He worked plenty on those elf and Kanaya pics.

>>1988139
Not even really related to Idle, I hope at some point I'll be popular enough that people will want to watch me stream drawings, seems like it'd be fun.

>>1988254
then draw a lot and get good

>>1988835
I'm tryin.

>>1988952
keep doing that for 5 or 6 years
you got this, sport

Bump for justice

I have to ask:
Is anyone who's been following this thread going to commission him again?

Holy shit, I tried to read alfie and the first few pages are utter bullshit. Like he did some quickref ugly sketches of some pornos, added quick squiggly pube hair, and called it a day. This isn't a comic, it's single shitty sketch images. A few of the pages are the same page doubled with added cum or some shit. He gets money for this trash? People there's high def porn on the Internet, what the fuck are you doing?

>>1993494
oh wait that's incase, they are both shitty artists who cares

>>1993480
Not unless he does something like agreeing to an estimated time of delivery on the work, or 50% payment upfront 50% after. Preferrably both, after this shit.

>>1995887
Seems crazy that wasn't already the case, I know I always work that way.

bumping just to keep idle honest

>>1974562
What did you commission him for?

>inb4 idle learns from the GG debacle and becomes a professional victim, full with donation box and new patreon/PayPal so you can throw shekels at him for no work.

>27 days ago

>>2000226
If paypal closes his account, it'll probably be because they found out he's doing smut. If that's the case he won't be able to open a new one, at least not any time soon. The rest of it's possible I guess.

i have some legit complaints but if i even state it here anonymously he'll know who i am

i tried to tell him before, politely, and it didn't end well

if he starts to hate me I'm scared he'll just half-ass my commission, even if just unconsciously.