/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>1950698

deserted?

rest in peice

>>1950698
Fuck that SJW faggot.

Too heartbroken to draw that no good cuck pile of heeb faggot jewt. I hate him.

>>1950716
a sharp edge on this one

>>1950698
Geez, is that his real name? I feel pretty awful for never knowing it before now, considering how much I come here. Are there gonna be more pics to choose from?

>>1950733
We should do the study, hes our hero :(, ill upload mine later

Moot is a traitor to free speech.

He deserves no memorial.

>>1950719
>stating the truth
>e-e-edge!

>>1950760
>yelling opininons
>stating the truth
pick one

>>1950764
They're not opinions if they happen to be true.
Why are you defending moot anyway? if you followed the gamer gate thing, even barely, you should know that chris boy here set the stage to hand us over to the media controlling jews, his "retirement" only confirms this.

>>1950768
You're a fool if you think you're going to educate anyone, without taking their "feels" into consideration.

The old ways are lost. Adapt, or die out.

doodle

>>1950770
True, true.
Better to hit full chong for the discussion than to submit to feely tumblrinas tho.

>>1950768
>if you followed the gamer gate thing
lol

>>1950698
RIP IN PISS MOOT HE WAS CUCKED TO DEATH
YOU WERE A SHIT ANYWAY

>>1950782

I can't be the only one who thought the whole gamergate thing was retarded on both sides of the fence.

>Hurr my shitty clickbait journalism is Pulitzer Prize winning shit and you silly bois need to respek our opinions, i mean facts.
>hurr dem womanz runing our gaems with their sjw politics

If anything, a game developer would see that shit and think "I better not even touch it with a 10 foot pole, I guess I'll just stick to space marines, dragons, and explosions and not bother with any sort of controversial story."

>>1950787

>>1950787
it's all a bunch of hot air to cover up for a mediocre year in video games. people who play video games are manbabys as usual
>>1950789
yeah let me sit here and read that entire novel

>>1950779
Subversion is not submission.

Whether or not subversion is effective is another discussion entirely.

>>1950792
>yeah let me sit here and read that entire novel
Well, you should.

>>1950789
>In the beginning, Gamergate started in response to corruption in games journalism

Dropped. You have to be an intellectually dishonest cock to try to insinuate it didn't start out as a shitstorm over some slut.

>>1950822
>slut fucks 5 journalists so they give good reviews to her piece of shit game.
>hurr durr that's not corruption in journalism!
My god, didn't expected tumblr shills in here.

>>1950698
goddamn cuck

I still dig moot, he's taken a lot of shit and done a lot of good shit for this site. It's been stressful for him, but he still has the level-headed and open-minded attitude of a romanticized Ghandi. When I was his age, /ic/ was my first board.

I hope that hotwheel has the chillness of moot.

>>1950838
Has the other chan actually taken off? Also nice, the real name is blocked.

>>1950826
Take it back to /v/ kid

>>1950822

you're getting led around by your nose. GG started because that slut was trading sex for good reviews, and when people noticed, every big gaming site united to squelch the discussion and run "gamers are dead" articles to call us all misogynists and rapists.

it's like saying WWI was all about that random archduke that got assassinated. A retard's view of history for sure.

>>1950852

It's hard to explain, but website is kind of like /ic/. It's less active, but it has unique content. You won't be seeing too many repetitive topics or like /v/ or /co/.

It got hit by ddos attacks recently because of a raid board, but those have stopped for now.

>>1950854
Hahaha, I'm not even from /v/

>>1950869
>My god, didn't expected tumblr shills in here.

>>1950852
hope you like candydoll models

>>1950870
>tumblr shillsᵀᴹ - /v/Ltd

>>1950870
>>1950854
>Impliying that being from /v/ invalidates de argument.

>>1950789
As a general rule, longwinded rants that refuse to reveal their point until the very last paragraph are probably just another ridiculous conspiracy theory.

To save everyone else some time, here's the TL;DR in the form of a few quotes from the last post:

>"The GamerGate opposition was not protecting one unknown "indie dev" but was trying to hide its ties to a multi-billion dollar agenda to take control of the entire educational system of the United States."
>"What we are facing with GamerGate is the entire web being used to promote this new binary form of education (Common Core) where the rich can afford to give their children one type of education while the rest of us are forced to submit our children to education that is created and approved by certain groups that are both funded and run by the rich and powerful."
>"GamerGate is a fight for our freedom and for the future freedom of the entire planet."
>"I feel I may have put myself in danger by writing and publishing this..."
>"If GamerGate is ever defeated, I fear we will have also lost our future as free humans."
>"Pleas do not stop fighting."

Funny how absolutely insane this sounds without the nine previous posts to prime you for the last.

>>1950890
>Impliying that being from tumblr invalidates de argument.

>>1950897
I'd argue with you, but you're already lost.

People seek control. Absolute control. Just because it isn't happening in your immediate area, doesn't mean it isn't happening somewhere else in the world. You can move all you want. But eventually there wont be anywhere to move to.

>>1950857
>every big gaming site

>kotaku
>polygon
>big gaming sites

The big gaming sites like IGN, Gamespot, etc, fucking ignored this shit. It was all gawker media posturing and it makes sense considering they have a fucking political agenda. It's like being surprised when a hardcore right winger media conglomerate starts spouting shit against obamacare.

>>1950897
I didnt read the novel but what you quoted doesnt sound too crazy,

you know rich people rule the world, its not a lie ...

>>1950905
https://www.google.com/search?q=+news&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=video+game+news

You're only as big as your search results.

This is the modern era. Who is number 2? Who consistently shows up when you search ANYTHING gaming related?

Clickbait sells. And it's going to sell us all down the river.

>>1950897
I feel like the lead up would sound just as insane.
Anyway in another thread someone linked me to a ton of stuff about the whole GG thing, but not just articles about it, actual texts/tweets/emails from the parties involved. From what I could see, and I dug through it a good while, the guy recanted and said he had no actual proof she did any of that stuff, and evidence of things like people not even being in the same place at the time they were supposed to have been "meeting" came out that really makes me doubt the whole "slut" thing, and even "doxing" & "sabotaging" the FYC was made out to be way the hell more than it actually was and in one of their emails they basically admit they exaggerated what happened and her involvement greatly. I still think she shouldn't have stuck her nose into what they were doing in the first place, but they over-reacted. And it's unfair people hate Moot for wanting to have a say in what happens in his space, like any business owner would.

>>1950838
Seconded. Coincidentally, I was also 15 when I started coming here.

>>1950913
>>1950913
>Chat logs where she admits to cheating on the guy
>no actual proof

>unfair people hate Moot for wanting to have a say in what happens in his space
They don't hate him for that, they hate him for having inconsistent values. You cant claim to love free speech, and then nuke all discussion of a topic on false grounds. Do more research. Read both sides.

Well this thread went nowhere productive

RIP in peace Moot

>>1950928
/ic/ as usual, though the subject matter is a cause for much discussion as to why these unfolding events are taking place.

>>1950924

I wish he nuked the threads about Jessi Slaughter, I felt nauseous about it.

>>1950903
>>1950908
People don't seek control for its own sake, they don't want to dictate your life simply for the lulz of it. It's a pain in the ass for a whole lot of nothing, and the few maniacs who would want that have a hard time convincing everyone else to opt into a pointless conspiracy.

Further, simpler things like blindly following profits tend to deliver the very same things most conspiracy theories are about... but without the whole conspiracy part.

Also the fact that he's ranting about something that has already come to pass is pretty silly.

Because of Common Core rich kids will go off to expensive private schools and receive a higher standard of education than the rest?! Holy shit that's totally unlike... now? And the past uh... entire history of education?

He just doesn't like Common Core, because of reasons he can't articulate.

>>1950913
>I feel like the lead up would sound just as insane.
Meh, he delivers everything piecemeal so that it sounds semi-reasonable so that you just kinda go along with him when he weaves his demented tapestry at the end.

Maybe it got crazier later though, halfway I skipped to the end to see where he was going with this.

>>1950933
My point exactly. That shit was terrible, but because there was no media machine backing that poor stupid girl and her father, their lives went to shit.

Here's your proof, btw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1421782837&v=t_ReC-GtLfc&x-yt-cl=84359240

>>1950900
You ignorance based logic invalidates the argument.
>ho ho ho this is not corruption, and this text is false and retarded!
>But it is corruption that started this, look.
>W-w-well, take that back to /v/!

You might not be a tumblr shill, but you surely act like one.

>>1950924
I didn't say there was no actual proof, I said he admitted to not having it, meaning he still lied. I admit I believe she probably did cheat on him with at least one person, but that's no reason to destroy her career, it has nothing to do with games, and it's mostly the FYC's retaliation that bothered me. And it's one thing to support free speech, but if someone's using your space and your platform to plan real attacks on real people, you have the right to step in and say they can't use your space for that. If the KKK walks into a cafe and the owner hears them talking about doing something to someone, he can tell them to leave if he wants, he's not suppressing their freedom, merely asking them to exercise it elsewhere so as not to infringe on his freedom to not be bothered or held liable for it.

>>1950747
4chan has never been about free speech. Go say what you want on your blog, faggot, not on other people's lawn.
>>1950857
>GG started because that slut was trading sex for good reviews,
As opposed to money, like good honest companies like Capcom do.
>>1950852
It's full of faggot pedophiles.
>>1950911
>Clickbait sells. And it's going to sell us all down the river.
You know how you change it? Make a campaign to boycott clickbait. Haven't seen one of those yet, would be all for it.
>>1950913
>And it's unfair people hate Moot for wanting to have a say in what happens in his space, like any business owner would.
This, a million goddamn times time.
>>1950924
>They don't hate him for that, they hate him for having inconsistent values.
He's said in the past that posting on 4chan is a privilege and not a right, and free speech doesn't apply. More inconsistent is the other side, that didn't care that several topics have been banned for years(pedo shit, furfag shit) until their precious shitstorm got nixed.

>>1950897

>twitter warriors thinking they are making history

>>1950940
He has said nothing about that sort of thing in the past. See: Jesse Slaughter

Also I wasted my entire fucking summer in everyone of those threads. No supported any form of attack on her. People that did were called out and told to fuck off.

I don't know why I'm bothering to tell you this, since you seem to buy the "official story."

If moot was traditionally silent on this sort of thing, why would his values suddenly change when a small media company is threatened?

Just think about it. Please.

>>1950936
>He just doesn't like Common Core, because of reasons he can't articulate.
Well, how can you articulate your rejection towards this shit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Ubjg_o8vg

>>1950943

Those topics have never been under strict scrutiny. People have posted loli and furry on /ic/.

>>1950948
Just watch the examples on the first minutes of it BTW, I don't want faggots whining about "2 lung huhuh Xd"

>>1950947
I have no idea what the "official" story is, I've been getting shown stuff from people on both sides of the isle. My stance on the Zoe thing is she was wrong to tell FYC who they could and couldn't include in their projects, but they overreacted. The claims that she manipulated judges to favor her game may be worth looking into, because if true is a real problem, but I feel it passed investigation and turned into a witchunt. I know 4chan hates it more than anything but people are allowed to be morally inconsistent. I used to never want to draw porn. Now I need to. But I refused to draw real people. Now I'm considering it. You learn, you grow, and sometimes you take a new stance on an old problem. I just wish Moot was allowed to be human without all the hate. And at the end of the day, this and all spaces are dictatorships. If he says "get out", he built this place, so you get out, doesn't matter if it's "fair".

>>1950959
If moot wants to be human about it, he needs to be transparent in the reasoning behind why he does things.

There is more to the story than Moot stepping in to stop harassment.

>people are allowed to be morally inconsistent
No one said you aren't. But I'm not obligated to like you if you do that. Everyone fucks up. Some people fuck up on purpose for money and ruin a good thing for other people.

I'm going to miss you Moot

>>1950948
>If a student is able to show all their steps and reasoning but merely got the answer wrong, they would give credit for the work but also correct where the student went wrong
>Hurr durr, CC thinks 3*4=11 is right
>Let's also throw an Orwellian reference in the title and say 2+2=5!

Yeah, not finishing that video bait.

Also, if we're going to go into vague references to popular literature, I thought it was well understood by now that the submission of American society was already completed in the style of A Brave New World and that 1984 was some hamfisted bullshit nobody would submit to here.

There's plenty to be upset about in this world that doesn't involve a tinfoil hat. For example as regards to education, the fact that so many parents seem to expect that the state take on the entire burden of education for them is far more troubling than some half-cooked Common Core conspiracy.

>>1950964
>he needs to be transparent
Not really, that only matters in governing, because decisions are being made on a countrywide & global scale. This is his website. When he decided to build it, he could have made it any way/shape/form he wanted. It could have been reddit. It could have been tumblr. It could have been _only_ for talking about art. Or politics. It didn't have to be a place open to all kinds of discussion. And just because people use it for that, he doesn't have to leave it that way. At any time he could have deleted any board he wants if he thought it would be good in any way, monetarily, morally, or just for a good laugh. But in this case I don't think what he did was without good reason, given that people were receiving death threats and being driven from their homes. Whether just to help or save his ass, it's his prerogative to keep his life in order, so I respect his decisions.

>>1950929

Nice, here's mine

>>1950978
https://www.ted.com/talks/christopher_m00t_poole_the_case_for_anonymity_online

How can you respect someone you know nothing about? I respect who moot was. Who he is now, is something else.

I tried the goof, too.
Attempting to pick the right colors by eye is hellish.

>>1950987
He was 15 when he started this thing, so he's like 26 now? I'd be more worried if we hadn't seen any growth or change in that time. And "respect" doesn't mean worship the ground they walk on. It means live and let live. I saw the situation, and I see why he'd want to do something. Had his decision been to fan the flames and let the whole site burn with hatred, then my respecting of that decision would have been to quietly move to another forum where I could do what I want in peace. It doesn't mean I agree, it means I get that he can do what he wants with his site and I'm not gonna pitch a fit to force him to change. If I had continued using the site under those conditions, then I would do so, maybe voicing my concerns once or twice, but if I stay after that I'm accepting his decision to let it burn and that's respecting it. But I do respect him for getting involved anyway, when he didn't have to.
Also why is he drawn as a Hello Kitty?

>>1950974
If this is just orwellian thick shit to keep us in the dark, why is then that there is so much opposition to the opposition?
Why are they so desperately trying to silence and discredit people that are just "conspiracy loonies"?

And yes, of course education is broken, but it's not because of lazy parents wanting the government to take care of it, an education provided by a collision of teachers and parents, or just parents alone would be the same shit, because they would teach the same garbage they've been teaching for a century.
No one really knows what kids should be learning today, and there are no specialists involved in the creation of schedules for every subject, just randon retards in high chairs guessing what "functional members of society" should know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9CE55wbtY

>>1950990
How long did this take you?

moot seemed like a dildo anyway

>>1951040
your a dildo

>>1951023
Fuck, I want a school like in that paper and not the abstract feelsy bullshit they're talking about like what our schools currently are. I dropped out of school specifically because they spent all their time dancing around a subject instead of actually teaching it. It was a waste of my time when I could have been learning "mathematically" then doing something fun afterwards. I got my GED and have been studying on my own since with no regrets.

Also inb4 this is the opposite of what you were arguing, I haven't been following the conversation.

>>1951054
>I want a school like in that paper and not the abstract feelsy bullshit

You didn't understood the message, the school in the paper is not teaching you how to properly draw and paint, it's teaching you how to propperly become a retard that THINKS he knows to draw and paint.
just replace painting with any other subject, not just math, and that's what schools do, they teach you shit disguised as proper knowledge.

Btw I don't like feelsy education crap either, but invented bullshit covered in "officiality" isn't any better.

complete introduction to the essay if you want to read it.

I actually do want to know why Moot is often drawn as a little cat with a bow in its hair, that's always really confused me.

>>1951069
>>1951023
From what I know this is what a lot of higher end art education is like in england

>>1951072
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_alzUwsCUnY
Ye olde flash videos. Shi in japanese means 4 so Shii-chan roughly equates to 4chan. Cat with the bow must have inspired it but I don't know the exact story. There was a whole culture around these flash videos back in the day.

>>1951102
Yeah I guess I can see how the Shii->Shi->4->4chan thing works, but the cat with the bow wasn't even the one named Shii in the video and now I feel like I have more questions than before lol.
I guess I'll just stop digging into it and draw the fucker.

>>1951124
It's from an anime. The cat is named Shii-chan.

>>1951126
So in an anime not relating to the video I just watched, there's another cat character named Shii, and that cat has a bow on its head?

>>1951079

Not really a study but here's my picture to say goodbye to that faggot

sayonara, onii-chan

>>1950787
True. But I sympathize with the pro side because the anti-side is multiple levels stupider.

I am sorry. I have been busy masturbating to GTA:San andreas because I got myself hyped for the PC version of GTA:V and was busy studying my art shit.

I must have missed the entire gamergate thing entirly. I literally just read about it here which is odd, given I enjoy researching consipracies.

So basically this:
"[...] a writer and editor at large for the gaming site Gamasutra, has criticized the shallowness of white- and male-dominated gamer culture."
Got the ball rolling?

Sexism, really?
And now we have people saying its going to fuck the white education in the US? U wot?
I've done my homework but if someone has further infos or at best an overview/summary I'd like to re/read it.

Painting this shit is fucking hard, guys. I'm not even supposed to be doing this right now.

>>1951183
What do you have so far?

>>1951196
Trash.

>>1951206
Looks to me like you might just be trying too hard. If I were you I'd just try again, but limit it to like 25 minutes or something. It usually helps me when I feel like I can't squeeze something out.

i drew this in the /co/ thread, but it's kind of dead right now.

>>1950874
See
>>1950957

>>1950913

There's no way that Moot could have anticipated what 4chan would become. So I can understand why he resents the community in the way that he does.

But regardless of whether he likes it or not, Moot caged the wild beasts of the internet.

It would be wise to keep them contained.

I was sure I posted it already.

>>1950760
/ic/ is horrible when it comes to real life. It's a place of idealism and utopia. You probably noticed that by now, didn't you.

I avoid talking about anything that isn't strictly art on /ic/, I even avoid voicing my opinion on art, only facts. How often a day do I read "will not only improve your art, but also yourself as a person and artist". I'm so sick of it. Just don't even try.

>>1951334
>idealism and utopia

Ha, we must be browsing an entirely different board.

All I ever see on here is people slinging around things like "git gud", "Loomis, Loomis, Loomis!", "You'll never be as talented as (big name), get a STEM job and never try.", or "SHOW YOUR ART FAGGOT, I'M BETTER THAN ALL OF YOU."

Sometimes /ic/ almost becomes as much of a pity party as r9k. Utopia my ass.

>>1951334
Yes that makes it the same for most tripfags or anyone like the merc_wip guy, that had the point to succeed. That get shit on by anyone whatever reason even if they've bad, instead why can't we ask for advice from them or have them alround more.

Anyone who is happy and simply enjoying it in general regardless if making a living out of it. Sometimes I still wanna be that guy.

>>1951240
I am trying too hard, cuz I don't know what I'm doing and I'm trying to learn some crazy new technique and get better at color.

In all honesty /ic/ is becoming more and more like a circlejerk of anons scared of criticism, complaining about artists they hate on the Hot page of Deviantart.

It's a sheep thing. They're scared of being shit on by those people, so they don't bother drawing at all, and just join the mass shitting.

Talking about how much you hate sakimichan or shadman isn't going to make your coloring any better, or your lines any sharper.

>>1951366
>projecting

>>1951367

>>1951366
>In all honesty /ic/ is becoming more and more like a circlejerk of anons scared of criticism, complaining about artists they hate on the Hot page of Deviantart.
>becoming

How long have you been here? Because I only come here a few times a year, but I've been doing it for quite a few years. It isn't becoming anything, it's always been full of artists who are so downtrodden that they just shit on whoever is getting more attention than themselves.

Really, most of you fucks should just hop on dA and draw animu shit. You don't even have to be good and people will give you a fuck ton of attention for it, and I don't think there's anything faddish about it. That's a career, mang.

>>1951366
>>1951370
lol you two fuckers remind me of this little saying they have in, i think brazil.

if you have a bucket full of crabs none of them can climb out, because the others are all trying to climb out too and they end up dragging each other back down. if they'd all somehow work together they'd be out in no-time.

you two are like those crabs except there isn't even a bucket.

>>1951366
>Shadman
Since you brought that up, I've had been somewhat influenced a little of his faggy edgy sharp violent gothic art style look anyway.

Instead myself I want to still imporve and get critique at the same time, without the faggotry and weird shit.

>>1951375


I'm probably more of a lobster.

>>1951365
Dude that's fine! A lesson in judging things before they're done.

>>1951380
So, that means you think it's turning out alright? Because I'm seriously taking shots in the dark, here. I know it doesn't match up to the reference very well and I'm not sure how much I'm actually learning from this.

>>1951037
Two hours or so, give or take.

>>1951385
Well I certainly understand your pain trying to eyeball the colors. Shit's impossible, I'm horrible at judging what to use and how it'll look next to everything else.

quickie

moot as a grill
>tfw no tablet
>coloring take so much time just for a small section

>>1951431
somehow still a faggot

>>1951431
looks like lorde lmao

>>1951365
pretty good

>>1951594
nah doesn't even have the moustache

>>1951598
Thank you anon~
I think I'm gonna leave it alone here. I wasn't supposed to be spending time on this anyway but I think it turned out alright and gave me some pretty okay practice with color and portraits.
Here's to you, Moot, wherever you are.

never posted on this board before. Moot's such a champ.

>The one conspiracy fuck itt

Lmao, /pol/ and /v/ should fucking die.

The asshole of this site filled with loser teens in their rooms on Steam all day. Fucking embarrassing assholes.

>>1953881
Stop projecting.

>>1950789
>goobergroot is fighting for humanity's freedom!

You lot jump through a ton of mental hoops to convince yourselves the movement creating to shit on female gamers wasn't actually about shitting on and terrorizing female gamers

like for real, calling in bomb threats to schools is really sticking it to the common core man huh

Fucking shitstains.

>>1952152
This is really bad. There is no likeness.

i drew this yesterday

>>1953895
>terrorizing female gamers
>Allied to TFYC, a group of mostly female and also feminist indie developers that just so happens AREN'T fucking tumblr dickwads
>Hurr durr you sent death and bomb threads arn't u umbarrssd lol?
>GG is one person
Sorry shilly willy, no one gives a shit about this in here, and you don't trick those who do.

Funny thing is, I'm not involved with GG nor have participated in any way in it, seeing this bunch of people coming from nowhere just to mock and discredit the movement is almost amusing.

Here's to you moot.
You gigantic faggot.

Btw there are some cool drawings ITT good job guys.