/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>1943346
I just had this conversation.
I feel that anyone can learn to draw realistically with enough practice and open mindedness.
You would practice drawing a face at a certain angle, and then it's added to your mental library and you can draw that face anywhere.

The only thing that perhaps can't be learnt- is creativity. Creating drawings that say something, other than mimicking real life.

>>1943349
>The only thing that perhaps can't be learnt- is creativity. Creating drawings that say something, other than mimicking real life.

This is what I think of when people say "talent." Not just being good at something - because anyone can get good with enough practice - but being able to elevate that knowledge in a unique way. This goes for painting, running a business, creating a game-winning strategy, whatever. Anyone can be good, but they can't be taught creativity, and that's what makes some great.

>>1943349
>The only thing that perhaps can't be learnt- is creativity

bullshit. EVERYTHING can be learned. EVERY-FUCKING-THING.

>>1943349

Why cant it be learnt? Whats your personal reasoning behind that idea?

>>1943797
it's almost like if I told you to invent something useful right now.
Not everyone can just create something unique from their minds.
I agree with
>>1943778
I'd call that creativity element "talent."

I also read on here that someone said talent is more of the drive and actual "doing" aspect of something, I agree with that as well.

>>1943802
Inventing something useful in this day and age would require a lot of technical knowledge as well as a wide understanding of current inventions and human needs, so your example doesnt seem very close.

I'm more interested in your reasoning behind it not being able to be learnt, I could study the above mentioned facets of inventing and come back with something revolutionary, whats to say an artist cant study other artists and sources of information to cultivate his or her own creativity?

This discussion is only going to dissolve into nature vs nurture so I'll leave it at this: I belive creativity can be learnt, or at least enhanced by or in everybody, the results may not be equal but that wasn't the point to begin with.

EE major and professional illustrator here. Just work hard and stop wondering what if. Make a sacrifice or two.

>>1943346

A good friend of mine was never good at arts, but he wanted to become an architect.

He drew his ass off 2 months straight to get acceptable outcomes for his application portfolio and got what he deserved.

I was pretty impressed by his new developed skills. 3D Objects, Light/Shadow, proportions...
And since then he never needed to draw again during his time at the university. End.

Another example (not realistic drawing): I finished my first Anime last night and was like 'fuck it' so I grabbed a pen and drew my first anime picture and my first picture overall since 2002 (10yo) and tried to copy someone elses pic. I always got laughed at my poor skills as a kid so I didn't dare to try it on any serious lvl or as a hobby, but with this I feel encouraged, though even I can see many mistakes in it.

From now on I believe everybody can learn how to draw.

>pic may be not related: First try, took me 15 minutes, I am encouraged, so go ahead and try it yourself, though I know it's nothing realistic

>>1943796
This. I could write an autobiography of how I spent my entire childhood proving this to myself. I even had poor reflexes and I LEARNED how to fix that. I fixed my poor handwriting, my poor typing speed, all kinds of shit. It can all be learned.

>>1944034
None of those are creativity.

Yes, drawing is a skill.
You can learn to draw but you need foundations. Otherwise it's like playing piano for 12 years without a teacher.
Read the sticky

>>1944106
>playing piano for 12 years without a teacher
I'm not saying this is a GOOD idea, but I'm pretty sure it's possible to learn to play the piano in 12 years, even without a teacher.
You'll only have whatever scraps of music theory you've been able to discover yourself, and you'll have a hard time communicating with other musicians, but you'll be able to produce melodies by pressing the keys. Even without a teacher, the direction will be the same. There are sound patterns that humans, for whatever reason, find pleasing, and others that we don't. Dipping to the knowledge of other people who have already studied them is an exceedingly useful shortcut, but it's not the only way to find them.

Given nothing more than a piano and infinite time, anyone could become a master.

>>1943814
people may be taking my statement too personally. All I'm saying is that not everyone has a message to convey, not everyone can make art with meaning, some people can only do realistic things, and of course some can only copy things they've seen. I didn't expect these posts to get so much, but it's been entertaining. Thanks for the responses.

I used the pre qualifier "perhaps"
because I can't prove whether or not creativity can be learnt. However, why is creativity such an amazing skill? Because it's rare.
You can learn to draw the human body, but will you have the creativity to draw a human, decomposing and fusing with an animal to convey how we so often give in to our animal instincts and how it will lead to an unhappy death? Probably not.

creativity to me is a thing you have to already have a mind for, but maybe you can learn?

>>1943349

>The only thing that perhaps can't be learnt- is creativity. Creating drawings that say something, other than mimicking real life.

In my opinion creativity already lies withing you. All you have to do is gain access to that part of your mind by trying out new things.

>>1944452
>>1943349
Since creativity is essentially remixing the information you already memorised, it's improved by going out there and learning new things and giving your brain something to do. The more information you have and the more adept your brain is at processing it, the better.

As long as you don't overwork yourself, sometimes you just gotta take a break and let your brain do nothing.

>>1944502
this

i don't have ideas in a vacuum, everything i've ever thought of or probably will ever think of was inspired/spurred on by somethin else

the most important thing i think you can ever tell an artist is by god, don't let the only thing you do be painting. if the only thing you do is paint, then you will only paint the experiences of a painter. have other interests, like other things, learn about shit, study everything. people, nature, technology, non-visual mediums, every-fuckin-thing you can. the more shit you have in your head, the more you can draw from to create things.

if all you know is what a painter knows, then you only know what every painter knows, an any painter who does more than paint knows more than you can ever think

>>1943349
>1943349
sauce please?
Also, i think that creativity is something that can actually be develop, just like a muscle.

Creativity is the length you are willing to go to make your bullshit seem plausible.

So I would not say creativity is a talent, however lately I have started to think taste is a form of what we call talent, mostly because how we see it varies a lot from person to person. But there are some really clear examples of people that seem to have a general good taste in few things. It's hard to explain without it sounding like I have the greatest taste in the world which I am really sure I don't have.

>>1943346

Geophysicist here, I used to think like you, even if I was good I limited myself to a certain level (I never draw anything realistic) until this board forced me to, and I realized that im able to do so, not perfect, but everytime I draw something new it looks better than the last one, and thats what keeps me practicing. Read Loomis, Scott Robertson, and so on, you dont have to read them all just understand it and practice, its dificult to teach yourself how to draw, paint etc but not impossible, you can always save some money and atend an atelier.

>>1943828
Marry me :3?