/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

why is thred not work moot :(

Any exercises or ideas what to do if my hands are a bit shaky? Its not too extreme, but i would still perfer a steadyer hand.

Shit tier here, why do they look so flat?

I'm trying
Somone post a nice common reference please.

requesting the concept artist guide some guy on /ic/ gathered together, in was in a word document and detailed a study plan.

time to hide thread

>>1937111
your pencil strokes are flat, spin the pen when rendering.

How should I prevent taking too much time on a drawing or a practice piece when in the beginner stage? Outside of when doing timed poses. Even things like drawing hands takes me a long time.

>>1937124
any videos explaining that? I'm not sure if I understand

>>1937128
Just do it a lot. The more you do it, the faster you'll get.

>>1937117

Try this one

>>1937130
See the Right side example

The idea is to roll the pencil while you lay down the line. Ever see how your pencil develops flat spots while you shade? Because you need to roll it (use your thumb to slowly spin it while you hold it) while you lay down lead. If youre doing it right you will get a cone shape to the pencil tip, this maintains sharpness and saves lead.

>tfw your drawing int the OP is the worst of all.
TIME TO GIT GUD

>>1937139

dem edges dawg

how does this look? how the fuck do i add realistic colors?

>>1937259
Maybe if you have no idea at all for colors, color pick from a reference so you can see approximately what color your skin is?

Seriously, is this what you want!? They are no longer contours! Someone show me how to do a fucking gesture already!

>>1937282
holy shit thats a fantastic idea, thanks!

>>1937285
>stick figures

Please read >>1935426
You're jumping way ahead of yourself.

>>1937285
Anon I will teach you. But first I wanna see you draw a self portrait with a shoe on your head

((yes this is serious))

>>1937139

I know I suck aight
Complete beginner, 3 days in with proko
Still can't draw a fucking circle and add features to the head.
Any tips on developing arm movement?

>>1937297
I...I don't even....

>>1937307
>He didn't read the sticky

Well, there's your problem.

>>1937307
If im gonna invest time into teaching somebody who cant bother to read the sticky, then I want to see exactly how much time and effort they are willing to commit to getting better at drawing.

>>1937293
>>1937308
>>1937314
I posted this in the last thread, and someone said they were no good because they're "still only contours". I made >>1937285 because I'm butthurt, I thought I have trimmed down my line usage considerably.

>>1937328
You're jumping way ahead of yourself. As mentioned earlier, read the sticky.

>>1937328
Still either read the sticky, or gimme that selfie with shoe. Ill be here.

>>1937338
Basically, this.

The shoe selfie will be more than enough to determined what level you're at. If you refuse to even attempt this, it's quiet clear you shouldn't be tackling gestures.

>>1937285
I'm not sure I'm getting it either.

How am I doing, and how do I make these look less like horseshit?

Also, I can't say I've drawn a self portrait with a shoe on my head, but I've been working through the sticky for about 5 months now.

>>1937345

Alright, for all those tackling gestures and having this much of a hard time, that means you've skipped step 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. In other words, you skipped entire lessons you need to learn before tackling gestures. The answers have been provided all around here.

And if you feel like you are ready to tackle gestures, then do what this anon said
>>1937297 and prove yourself.

Seriously, you guys are being spoon fed the answers and spitting out the food. We know exactly what's wrong cause we've been through this and followed the same bad habits.

>>1937345
ah hrmm, can you tell me what book or video series you are working on?

If I ask you to draw me a sphere. Do you draw me a circle and call it done?

Draw me a selfie with a shoe on your head

>>1937336
>>1937338
>>1937341
You're all fucking joking right?

>>1937355

>>1937354
>ah hrmm, can you tell me what book or video series you are working on?
I've looked at Fun With Pencil and Figure Drawing for All It's Worth. I've also been working through Ctrl+Paint vids to get used to my tablet and drawing from life to get down anatomy. I've improved quite a bit, but I'm very slow and I've been told my stuff is pretty stiff, which is why I've decided to start working on gestures.

Will the selfie really help?

>>1937361
You don't want to improve, fine. You're going to suffer forever as to why you have troubles with these gestures.

>>1937364
>can you tell me what book or video series you are working on?

No one asked that. Draw the selfie.

>been coming here for years
>read sticky multiple times
>still posting shit that's so bad people ask you to read it
Woe is me.

>>1937378
This actually look decent. What have you been studying?

>>1937364
hrmm

See >>1937361
>>1937307
Why are they mad? Becuse they know what its like to shout into the dark of cyberspace for help and get nothing. They read the sticky and labored over the crustiest,driest and foppish texts and videos to improve. And then to see newbs whine that they dont want to do any extra work, they just want the quickest way and for somebody to spoon feed it for them.

Yes, the selfie will help. Any and all drawing challenges you feel are overwhelming and frustrating end up strengthening your understanding as long as you dont half ass your effort and re draw, re draw and redraw until its satisfactory.

Do not "look at" Loomis. Read it, Apply the context of information to the drawings given and copy them. Then apply these concepts to real life. You would benefit heavily from Fen with a Pencil, as Figure drawing is too advanced for you currently

>>1937381
>Do not "look at" Loomis. Read it, Apply the context of information to the drawings given and copy them. Then apply these concepts to real life. You would benefit heavily from Fen with a Pencil, as Figure drawing is too advanced for you currently
Believe me, I have. I haven't even finished Fun With Pencil yet. I've worked through every single exercise up to the point where he starts throwing tons of fully clothed figures at you. Only reason I took a quick look at Figure Drawing so far was so I could get a better understanding of proportions leg muscles.

I guess I might work on that portrait, but I can't help but feel that I'm being rused.

>>1937381
Beginner that's on fun with pencil/keys to drawing
I'm doing the line exercise where you draw a 2 inch line and draw over it 8x to the best of my ability.
Do I keep doing this as warmups prior to life drawing to improve lines?

>>1937390
Other exercises
-Drawing perfect circles. No overlaping start and end points.
-Drawing ellipses. Draw a line through the middle, to check for symmetry.
-Draw long lines from the top left to bottom right. Then from top right to left.

the point of these exercises to to get your mind in that "mode" of "lets fucking waste some paper!"

>>1937395
Okay, thanks.

>>1937395
>"lets fucking waste some paper!"
So much this. You have to get in the mindset to draw more to in turn fuck up more. The more mistakes you make the more mistakes there are to learn from.

>>1937406
>making mistakes
>ever

>It's okay that I failed, I'm learning from it!

Truly the mindset of plebeians.

>>1937414
Enjoy sulking on /ic/ a year from now bitter as fuck spouting some shit about talent

>>1937414
Whos more pitiful? the flies that dine on shit, or the giant who wastes his time swatting at flies.

>>1937414
This guy.....

I wonder what ever happened to those guys drawing the head shoe. Guess they never wanted to get into drawing.

>>1937447
No Drawing takes time. Ill be here all week

>>1937447
Takes time, bro.

Sometimes I wonder if the artists I look up to had to go through the exact same shit I have to. I feel like a joke when I watch them work, and they make it seemingly effortless.

If I was meant to be an artist, wouldn't I've become one by now?

>>1937527
>If I was meant to be an artist, wouldn't I've become one by now?

Congrats, you hit on the secret truth of why 99% of /ic/ doesn't make it.

Art requires talent most people lack, if you had a modicum of actual talent for this it would have shown by now and you sure as shit wouldn't be posting in a "Beginner" (pretender) thread on fucking 4chan.

>>1937529
This thread should be deleted then.

>>1937532

but watching them fumble around in the dark is kind of cute

>>1937529
>>1937532
>>1937533
Show your work?

>>1937534
I'm >>1937527, and I only do studies. It's the drawing from imagination part that mainly rots me from the inside out.

>>1937529
Oh shut up. What really makes people good at something is the enjoyment of practice. People are good at art (or at anything else) because they enjoy it enough to keep at it when it gets hard. It's incredibly difficult to become good at something if you don't want it bad enough. That's why people who are good at something are also passionate about it. Nobody's good at something they hate. If you're not where you wish you were, it's because you haven't put enough time in. You haven't put enough time in either because you don't enjoy it enough to stick to it, or some other reason (busy life, lack of freedom, distractions, etc.)

Whenever you meet someone who just "gets" it, they get it because they spend their spare time on the subject as well. It's not some inherent skill their born with.

>>1937534
I'd like to see what >>1937533 can do. He seems like an expert in the field.

>>1937538
How long have you been drawing/painting seriously and who are the artists that you look up to that are driving you nuts right now?

>>1937345
>>1937364
>>1937388
>>1937458
This faggot again. Can't believe I did this.

Am I worthy of gestures yet or not?

>>1937559
>he actually did it

My sides are leaving orbit.

>>1937546
>>1937546
I tried taking it seriously back in high school, but I had no idea what level of work and involvement it took to reach my goals until about two years ago. I took a still life and figure drawing class in college, and I feel as though they were just scraping the tip of the iceberg because they didn't cover anything about drawing from imagination. I've made very little progress since then. I know one of my main setbacks is that I'm constantly taking breaks from drawing. I'm not doing it nearly enough. The most frustrating part, is that I am always compelled to come back do drawing even after several rage quits. I feel like this is something I must make progress on throughout my life or else I'll feel like a miserable failure in the future. It just nags at me for not being gud. The slow progress due to various reasons adds fuel to this fire. It's all kind of complicated. Sorry for the long, unnecessary answer. As for the second part of your question, I don't feel like name dropping.

>>1937538
>>1937564
Get How to Draw by Scott Robertson.

>>1937546
I tried taking it seriously back in high school, but I had no idea what level of work and involvement it took to reach my goals until about two years ago. I took a still life and figure drawing class in college, and I feel as though they were just scraping the tip of the iceberg because they didn't cover anything about drawing from imagination. I've made very little progress since then. I know one of my main setbacks is that I'm constantly taking breaks from drawing. I'm not doing it nearly enough. The most frustrating part, is that I am always compelled to come back to drawing even after several rage quits. I feel like this is something I must make progress on throughout my life or else I'll feel like a miserable failure in the future. It just nags at me for not being gud. It's all kind of complicated for me. Sorry for the long, unnecessary answer. As for the second part of your question, I don't feel like name dropping.

>>1937559
A shoe doesn't balance like that.

lined this after drawing the gestures, it still needs improvement

>>1937569
Get rid of the chicken scratching habit.

>>1937559
Dude you rule

Real talk: you're not thinking of how the body is broken down into simple shapes. The limbs are tubes, the head is a sphere with a pyramid at the bottom, the ribcage is a kind of egg, the pelvis is a basket, etc. You're focusing too much on the outline of the body, rather than the pieces that make it up. Obligatory "read more Loomis"

>>1937559
ah my shoe face. Give me a day to compose some notes for you.

>>1937142
I tried using >>1937139 this reference, I think it helped a bit, thanks.

>>1937139
First try I did yesterday.
Probably the best thing to do is to start over.

Is all of Loomis just shitty jokes throughout all his books, if so shoot me now

erf

>>1937139
Yikes

started it but I have an exam to study for so it'll be a while till I finish it

man I suck at this
How can I be more confident with my lines?

>>1937708
Burning through paper and to keep on making a conscious effort for clean lines. It takes a long time to build good line confidence because it not only means having better control of your drawing utensil but mastery of you intend to draw as well.

>>1937708
Draw with ink

>>1937708
Air draw lines before applying them

>>1937059
Finished Igor, pretty new at the moment. Waiting to buy Keys to drawing by Dobson, so at the moment I'm just checking out concepts that I'll be practicing in the future

>>1937753
Please, don't hold back on criticism. I'd really appreciate if someone could give me some advice on what to improve here. Hands and face are as hard as I heard them to be

>>1937139
welp... this was quite the reality check

>>1937777
I don't know that looks alright

>>1937787
going into it I thought it'd be a piece of cake, but the fact that it looked like abhorrent shit for the first 30 minutes pretty much made me taste that humble pie.

Welp, WIP

>>1937761
You can also find a PDF on keys of drawing as you wait. In the mean time there isn't room for criticism as that level. Get the book, read up why things work, improve and yeah.

>>1937810
Fair enough, I understand that even if I do get criticism it doesn't mean anything if I don't understand how to work on it., I'll get the PDF and practice then. How should I be drawing in free time? I've only been practicing drawing people so should I be trying to get out of my comfort zone and try drawing some other shit, maybe like tanks or something I don't know about.

Crying a little

>>1937888
Alright, not gonna mess with this anymore. Yesterday I went too dark with my values and today too light. I hope I can remedy that soon.

I've only started drawing since 2 weeks ago. So this might be a weird question. But is it possible to get addicted to drawing?

>>1938002
is weed addictive?

>>1938004
Depends on the person.

>>1938002
when you have an overblown perception of your own skills? sure, yes.

>>1938009
well there you go

>>1938012
I've drawn for 2 weeks. My drawings look like shit but I'm seeing improvements here and there. I think that's the thing I'm addicted to, seeing and archieving progress (In something I'm actually interested in).

>>1938013
Thanks

>>1937795
the secret is, all things we draw look like abhorrent shit for most of the process until it all comes together in the end.

>>1937816
Draw boxes, and fake fruits. A cup under a bright lamp to get an idea how to draw in shadows. Basic shapes.

The book will also give you exercises to practice in order to improve.

Finished "Drawing from the right side of the brain", and I think I've got perspective down OK, how do I "practice" Fun with a Pencil? Do I just copy each drawing, or do I utilize the techniques to do similar drawings?

I attempted more gestures or whatever.

>>1938024
not with pros ;_;

>>1938020
>addicted
Just because you enjoy something doesn't make it addictive. The rule of thumb of whether or not something qualifies as a mental disorder (like addiction) is if it interferes with your day-to-day functionality. Like if your hand hurts and you still don't stop, or if you are skipping sleep or work. Two weeks isn't that long of a time.

I have a finishing problem how do I fix my lazy self anyway any critique, do I have what it takes to go pro or I'm I doomed to be a sucky amateur shit

>>1938061
I realized that I've always been interested in art. But to lazy (and afraid I won't make any money doing it) to actually practise.

The last 3-4 years have been pretty depressing because I've been trying to search for something else I love as much as art. But I can't find anything.

I tried giving drawing a shot. And I haven't felt like this in years, happy, motivated, excited,etc. I'm not skipping sleep/work or hurting myself but for the first time in years I'm actually motivated to succeed in something. And that's why I can't stop (unless my hands are hurting).

>>1937777
Think I know what to do now, I should focus on construction and drawing before painting. I just kind of winged it, without measuring and everything, that's probably why it's off in some places. Refining those brushstrokes though... I'll have to think about that some other day.

>>1938051
>>1938024

I'm not sure if you both realized it but you provided me an insane amount of insight with this picture and this quote.

Art always looks like shit when you start. It's turning that heath of color into something everyone likes that you know you've done well. Thank you!

>>1937968
despite your dissatisfaction with your work, you are leagues above so many people here. Keep going.

Most people, including myself, cannot draw the eye on the non-dominant side of the face correctly, but you did it very well. You've passed the "erase and redraw" stage of these pictures, and now can focus on whatever you want without compromising the image.

>>1938139
Yeah but in that pic even the 1st rough is sort of okay.

so, am I worthy of /ic/'s critique now?

>>1938189
also this.
sorry for shit camera

>>1938094
Forehead looks a bit bigger than in the photo you have a sort of likeness to it is very faint but is there, your values are sort of there, as for the lazy ness just grind it instead of say finishing a piece perhaps do more on another piece than your previous one. For example the next time you do a drawing from a photo finish more than the previous one and keep going until you have a fairly finished piece. Their is no magic think that will make you un lazy just take it a step at a time.

what am I doing wrong? these are 60 second gestures, the bottom ones are 10 seconds

>>1938267
stop avoiding difficulties (heads, hands, feet), and I'd say stick to 60 seconds cause these one-line-with-two-circles in the bottom are useless

>>1937571
Thanks a lot, that's very helpful. I suppose I was neglecting construction because of the short time limit. I'll work more on building things up.

>>1938267
do more 30 second gestures. then move on to one, then two minute gestures. and keep doing those and you will get better. I promise.


Im not that great either though, these are some from today.

>>1938267
You're trying to draw outline thinking that it will give what defies pose. You need to learn process of how people are doing gestures, learn about action line. looks like you jumped right into exercise. Look up gesture drawing on youtube, there's sycra, proko and such and learn bases. Don't expect to learn much about actual anatomy from gestures, first you get gestures, then you learn basic anatomy, major landmarks etc. Then apply this on your gestures and that's how you get a pose.

>>1937139
theres obviously things wrong with this. I tried though

>>1937559
Hrmph Forgot I had a fresh harddrive, so Ive got no Sai or PS. Ill do this text based until i get everything all set up.

First I must scold you sir. When I asked you to draw a picture of yourself with a shoe on your head. You drew me a face, with a shoe on top. Everybody can tell you cheated.

You should have gotten out your cellphone, taken a shoe and put that on your head. Then taken several reference picture then worked off those. This habit of gathering photo references to work from (and later working from the real life model) are the basics of work flow for artists.

Nice sunglasses, you lazy fuck. Next time draw the eyes too.

Now look at that mouth. That is not a mouth. That is a symbol drawing. The sticky lightly addresses the problem of symbol drawing. ( See step 1) If you cant stop this awful habit, you can not progress. Go Read "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" by Betty Edwards. She teaches you to see correctly.

Now answer >>1937355

Draw me a Sphere

How is this coming along?

>>1937139

im trying my best to establish a different way of drawing gestures; I think im getting there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y
>>1937328
3:30 in the vid is what gestures are about at the core, also watch from 4:55 onwards.
Also don't obsess too much about it.
>>1937345
You're doing too much, trying to capture everything, It's called "gesture" and not "draw everything as quickly as you can"
Use simple lines and take your time thinking about where to put them.
60 sec doesn't feel like much time so you think you have to rush, but it's not about getting a finished product, it's an exercise.
If you run out of time while thinking about where to place your lines it doesn't matter, what's important is that you develop your sense for gesture.
It's not about doing it quickly, speed comes with experience.
>>1938267
Basically same problem as >>1937345 only it looks fancier.
Look at >>1938290 they're simple without distracting detail in them and the main difference between those and yours is that their "describing" the gesture rather than trying to "recreate" the image.
If that makes sense.

>>1938302
>First I must scold you sir. When I asked you to draw a picture of yourself with a shoe on your head. You drew me a face, with a shoe on top. Everybody can tell you cheated.
Oh, so that was why I was called "shoe face".

>Nice sunglasses, you lazy fuck. Next time draw the eyes too.
Well, that was just because fuck showing my entire ugly face on 4chan.

Thanks for the help. And here's the sphere.

>>1938351
Thanks.

I feel like I made -some- progress in a year. Thoughts?

So I read the sticky. I downloaded both "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" by Betty Edwards and "Keys to Drawing" by Bert Dodson.I'm not really sure which one to start with now. Is it just personal preference or is one going to do more for me than the other? Assuming that I've never done a drawing in my life, of course.

>>1938455
"Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" is made for people who are terrible at drawing and think that they can't do it. Start with that.

>>1938438
Your signature is better.

>>1938461
I don't think I can't do it, I just want to know if there was one that works better to start off with. I should probably both though.

Would anyone have good references of action poses from comics? Not talking about gestures or anything, but simply a character from a certain part of a comic strip making an action pose of some kind.

>>1938321
you shitted up the right foot and made the right leg shorter you shitted up the face and made the torso longer

>>1938455
>downloaded
Where?

>>1938522
kickass so has it.

>>1938559
forgot to comment, but i've been working on this for 1 hour and it still looks off, please readline if u can.

No study this thread?

>>1938563

>>1938559
same guy, i fixed some shit and widened the whole thing, it looks better.

>>1937139
This is a nice photo
>>1938298
Thats a ton of symbols you're using there. The front most eye is done well but its terribly placed. You need more fundamentals, and less flashy color choices. keep it black and white or monochrome. I forgot to write about how to do the mouth, and it looks like you need help with that. Maybe some other time I guess.
>>1937777
>>1937968
You 2 are great, you should try giving people redlines, that way everyone gets better.

>>1937139
Maybe the other people who did the study will find this useful too. Some things are off, but over all its okay. took about 2.5 hours just in case anyone was wondering. I'm not to fast

>>1937968
Try converting the photo to B&W. That should help a bit.

>>1938040
Still need an answer to this question.

Also, if I want to practice drawing realistic humans from imagination in general, am I better off doing a bunch of studies of real people before attempting, or should I move to drawing a pose from imagination to the best of my abilities, and then fixing it using photographic reference? How will I learn fastest?

I'm an absolute beginner in drawing, I always loved art but never managed to draw anything "good". Recently I was procrastinating and decided to get serious drawing study and getting things done, so here I am, I downloaded some ebooks from that link "the w/ic/i" and I'm trying to practice efficiently.

Maybe I need advice, since I don't know anyone that can draw and courses here is hella expensive (also I don't have much money). I hope this post wont be hated.

Is it important to always practice first in real paper before drawing in photoshop(or other software)? Should I post the shitty results I got from those contour exercices?

Also sorry about my English, it's not my main language.
And sorry if this is not accepted here, just say it and I will keep doing things all alone.

>>1938591
Learning digitally is like learning any other medium, it would most likely be less frustrating for you if you learned traditionally first.

>>1938592
Alright, I'll buy some paper and pencils and start over

>>1938595
Whatever the case, at this stage the most important thing is to not worry about specifics and to just draw as much as you possibly can.

>>1938596
That was what I understood reading Natural Way To Draw, and that's the reason why he wants those hours and hours of practice, to the first half hour to the last hour I could already feel a difference in the way I look to the reference I am contouring.

Thanks for the replies.

just spent about 1 hour on this...

this is the first drawing thing i did in fuck... 10 years ish... and the first in about 12 that i did at that scale.

god damnit does it suck more than i thought it would... i know what i want to do, i know what i need to do... my hands are retarded... this is painful.

the goal is to fill 1 sheet of 24x18 a day.

that said... i remember what i loved about drawing... and i know damn well why i quit. what i can see, all the flaws, all the shit... that went up exponentially when i was 16, hell it was climbing sense i was 14 but 16... thats when it surpassed my skill by so fucking much that everything i drew was just do disheartening, and i quit... but now i got my ass some pencils, i got my ass some charcoal, and i got my ass 500 pages news print and a large ass clipboard. 1 a day thats the goal... i got about 2 hours of youtube shit i can listen to a day and draw through... going to try to make this shit work.

>>1938617
heres a close up of the reference.
im planning to go though last years calendars i had in the house to draw from. once you see this you understand how shit the trial was.

>>1938618
just for an extra level of lol...

>>1938617
>>1938618
>>1938620
not much to critique, check the sticky

>>1938620
try drawing a sphere or something simple

>>1938620
And of coarse the references upside down

>>1938623
i did, thats about the lest horrible thing on >>1938617 post. if i actually gave it some thought and wasn't using charcoal for the first time in 10+ years, probably would have done a bit better, granted i make no bones about my skill... i fucking suck, but i know i could do better than that.

>>1938624
reference upside down doesn't matter so much right now, i'm blaming at least part of it on charcoal for the first time in 10+ years, my ability to measure however... that is in question... god damn...

i probably also shouldn't be using such a small reference but got no printer that is useful and don't want to be staring at a computer (distracted to easily by the computer if i am using it) drawing so my only option is pictures that are at best .5 by .5 inches for the head.

>>1938628
Seriously man, just check the sticky, you've got a lot of things to learn before doing something as complex as a human figure.

Draw basic three-dimensional shapes, cubes, spheres, cones, cilinders first.

>>1938565
I don't like it
>>1938559
this one's better

>>1938630
i should say this, this was made mostly for future reference, as a how far i have come thing more than a serious attempt, but half the page >>1938617 isn't human figure at all, you are also high if you think you can tell someone to just draw simple geometric figures for X days/weeks and expect them to keep up with it.

and looked at the sticky, its basicly "you suck" and "forever beginner till unexplainable time" mixed with "heres a bunch of shit to read (not watch) in no real specific order, but there is an order and you will find out only after you read them"

there is a reason people say the sticky is shit.

what i plan on doing is this

- some amount of drawing a head every day, depending on ambition or placement, possibly upper body,
- some amount of random object by me, or possibly some random object from my imagination.
- an attempt at contour drawing and mapping of shadows
- gesture drawings, most likely same reference from multiple angles.
- hair... this is a motherfucker for me and i have never once drawn it acceptably, even when i was in art classes... its always fucking bugged me that i cant

what i should get out of this

- being able to measure properly, especially with full body shots,
- drawing form with face head drawing and object
- lighting from object and figure
- prospective without needing to map everything out from object (though this i think is good enough... i just suck to much for prospective to really be glaring issue right now)
- creating a texture... not sure if thats the right word, but i see creating believable hair as one of the milestones for me, it will be a good mark for im better than i use to be.

10~ish years ago i was fairly competent ad drawing... even if it was admittedly mostly symbols/couture (i don't think i ever really drew symbols passed middle school outside of cartoons) i was at one point able to measure fairly well, and as i can see by >>1938620 that skill went out the window after inuse.

>>1938639
Damn dude calm down, you need some pills for the nerves or whatever, I didn't tell you anything that wasn't true, you're terrible and you need to practice. The sticky helps, that's what it was designed for...

And stop harping on with your bloo bloo ten years ago, dude nobody fucking cares, what matters is the present. And your present sucks dick. How else do you want me to tell you this? Like did you legitimately get buttmad because you thought I was sugarcoating it or whatever? Get a grip on reality man, I could've not responded at all and wouldn't waste my time. And instead of talking about what you're going to do, go and do it, what the fuck is all that wall of text, jesus man. Like I could go on and talk about how you're just gonna try and reinvent the wheel with that horrible plan schedule you made, but judging from your response you probably wouldn't even listen. Just go and read the sticky.

>>1937139
>>1937689
slowly working my way through

>>1938649

Can someone compile a list of sighting techniques? I'm having a lot of trouble with organic subjects (models) and I don't understand what I'm supposed to do.

>>1938655

>>1938641
yea, i read the sticky, its at best a book dump and "maybe look here, fuck if i know"
its a poorly constructed mess at best that only serves to help people who are bad and delusional.
i'm not delusional and i know where my flaws are.
hell i make no attempt in any post of defending the crap i made. if anything its an embarrassment that i let what ever skill i had fall this far.
this is going to be my come back and look at it in 30~ pages and see how far i have come work.

listen... yea i will, pointing at a pile of books and telling me to focus on drawing shapes... not so much... granted i was going to be drawing shapes anyway.

>>1938656
This is pretty terrible, namely the circles stuff and he avoids diagonals completely, don't even get me started on ABCD.

Harold Speed explains it better, science of drawing Chapter VIII LINE DRAWING: PRACTICAL

The entirety of Charles Bargue course

Figure drawing for all it's worth, Andrew Loomis, page 88
Eye of the Painter, Andrew Loomis page 84

Vilppu's drawing manual, pages 127-135

A couple of chapters in Da Vinci's diaries, which you can find references to in Durer's notes, which probably spawned all of these to begin with.

Most people use a combination of these approaches.

>>1938658
The sticky is perfect for your level right now, it teaches you to stop drawing symbols, learn perspective and understand threedimensional form, then you can move on to figures, studying from photos and doing complex still life. Which was what I've told you to do right in my first post about drawing forms. I'm done responding to you dude, clearly you just wanna do your own thing and be delusional about everything you're being told because clearly you know better.

>>1938660
>>1938655
And here's tehmeh explaining his own combination in regards to figure/portrait drawing.

>>1938661
this is why i hate the term symbol drawing so much, you can only ever apply it to the shittiest drawings and be correct. no mistake there that i fucking suck... hell you have all the proof you want in the full page image, hell i can't even say otherwise... but symbol... no, i was drawing values and attempting form, and i learned something... i lost all skill i use to have at measuring distance, and vine charcoal is not to be used to rough shit in yet, i need to use a pencil.

im done responding to you too, as you clearly dont read what i write.

>>1938639
>>1938658
>>1938692

>Doesn't read the sticky
>Already says what's offered in the sticky sucks
>Throws a bitch fit

I hate it when beginners do this, especially when there's so many out there trying to help.

The sticky offers a handful of beginner books and even tells you the order you'll need to take them under. If you can't comprehend that and throw a fit like a child, you'll never make it cause you're going to hit another brick wall among your studies no matter how you approach. You're going to hit a lot of walls over and over again, but if you turn down advice like this, you won't improve.

Not to mention, you don't like the term symbol drawing cause you don't understand what the term implies.

>>1938712
Don't waste your time on that shitter, practice instead.

>>1937139
What went wrong

>>1938665
but how do i make insde fetures with this method.

>>1938712

It's not an issues of beginners, it's his personal problem. He has an extremely shitty attitude towards anything remotely difficult. Instead of figuring out how he's shitty or at least admitting the problem is with him, he finds a way to blame everything except himself. That attitude will get you nowhere no matter what you pursue. If you or anyone reading this wants to be good at something you all need to cut that shit thinking out of your life asap.

>>1938796
let's just stop giving him attention before it becomes an actual troll.

>>1938661
>>1938692
>symbol drawing

What you put on canvas are in essence symbols. However you may apply information to fool the eye into believing the symbol has form, shape, and may exist in space. Your job is to fool the eye into the illusion of space and life by describing the form in perspective, in forms over and around other forms and the more information you apply the more successful you will be into fooling your audience.

When somebody says to get "rid of symbol drawing" or that you are drawing with symbols what they mean is you are lacking the information to show that the form exists in space as it may be flat or shows no sense of perspective or foreshortening or space and in order show this information you use the fundamentals as described in the Sticky.

Again your job is to fool the eye into the illusion of space.

>>1938786
u

>>1938382

You drew me a circle with a few lines in the middle. These lines in the middle are "wrapping lines" they give the viewer the clue that this is 3-D object they are looking at.

Now apply these wrapping lines to a page full of cylinders. Experiment with adding too many wrapping lines, or just a few. Take away the contour of the cylinder, just draw the wrapping lines. Note your use of line, and try to play around with using as little line to indicate the shape and volume.

btw fuck sai and photoshop. Expect some crayon and newsprint notes to accompany this.

>>1938438
You're drawing too small. These feel so cramped. Draw big, I wanna see the line work slither freely on the page

so im reading drawing on the right side of the brain and it seems like there is a lot of fluff, how important/accurate is all of this?

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>>1938382

For those of you whinging about not being able to do gestures, Im literally teaching from the basic concepts to basic gesture in a super fast food cliff-notes version in this thread.

.>>1938802

seriously. We cant understate or explain how to get any better if you dont really "understand" the problem with symbols. This is why your work is flat, lifeless, armature looking. By stopping this habit, you already jump from shite teir to beginner tier.

You want to put the idea of a 3-D shape onto your 2-D paper. Every line should clue the viewer into the idea of space, volume and relation.

This is why we have a sticky, its literally step one, and cites books that explore this concept in depth.

>>1938868
Not important nor accurate at all. However, all the exercises in the book are top notch and it's highly recommended that you do them all in order.

>>1938868
aw man, thers a lot of faux science in it. Pretty much every time she cites a study or scientific journal shes talking out of her ass.


Feel free to skip the left brain, right brain concept and focus on when she talks about trusting your eyes. The examples and the drawing prompts are holding your hand as you force your brain to let go of the weird blocks that force you to over simply your drawings.

"'To look at' is not the same as to See"

>>1938878
Should I just skip all the bullshit and do the exercises?

>>1938880
hrmm no. Skim lightly, skip the brain talk and focus on when she talks about her students or on drawing. She does have some legit advice peppered in with the BS

dropped too hard for me.
I didnt nail the propotion but couldnt handle them anyway so i rendered a bit but idk how to render too. I do it a bit better when its not a face.

>>1938898
HER EYES ARE SCARY AS SHIT

>>1938839
>>1938382
added some extra questions to think about.

whew those ellipsis of mine need work :/
(captcha: WepT)

>>1938590
>>1938040
Still looking for some help with these. Anybody?

>>1938934
At this point i just don't see what could i do to make it look better(except for getting a better paper and details on face). I know it's shit tho. Is that my limit /c/?

>>1938793
The inside features are shapes inside the contour of the figure. The contour of the figure are shapes inside the rectangle of the canvas. This method shows you how to draw smaller shapes inside a larger shape (rectangle). The process for drawing new smaller shapes inside of your drawn shapes is the same.

>>1938040
You want to do full studies (at least 2 hours on one figure/ ref) Gesture work, Book study on proportions and drawing from real life AND drawing from imagination. I think youre wanting an " AH HA eureka!" moment, which doesnt come, the instinct of proportions just slowly leaks from IRL study into your personal works.

Try finding a ref, and changing one limb to a different position. Try only using half the reference and making up the other half. Think in terms of construction.

see how i kept fiddling with the legs here?
>>1937450

>>1938944

>drawing from imagination

Not the sawm anon but I'm where thqt anon is. How far can we take it at this point. Should I draw my very own person, or draw a new interesting creature?

>>1938977
why not both?

No youre not allowed ugly imaginative drawings ever again >: C You're only doomed to dry crusty studies for the rest of your life because that's what a stranger on the internet says is best. /s


You should be doing both imaginative and IRL/Ref studies at the same time, throughout your career. just remember to pull the concepts you're learning into your personal drawings. If you cant figure out why you dont like your personal work, take notes on what you did wrong and veer your studies to improving that.

>>1938839
Not sure I went about it right, but here are some cylinders.

>>1938267
alright, I gave it another shot. are things looking better now? had about 60 seconds on all of these

Tried asaro head today. I do not quite know how to proceed. Am I supposed to do the same exercises over and over again until I get it right or is it advisable to try to paint fully fledged potraits from time to time?

Also: I know I've got some proportions wrong but further criticism is wished-for.

>>1939020
do you think our heads are at 90 degree angle ?

>>1939010
>>1939016
You need to work on the accuracy of your ellipses/wrapping lines Try again but try for technical accuracy. You want tight, well defined shapes.

your gestures are indeed getting looser, which seems like a step back but its more of a step forward, but your still not communicating to the viewer that this is a person/shape in a 3-D way. We're getting to that, but first im trying to get you to "get" the basic concept of wrapping lines to define a shape.

Again, cylinders. Tight, well defined cylinders with technical accuracy (see pic) , with wrapping lines.

>>1939027
Sorry. Fixed that.

>>1939010
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>>1939044
I included a few examples of what you should be trying. Draw an accurate ellipse, draw a line through it to check for accuracy. Drop a line down through the middle at a 90 degree angle to your line through your ellipse. Draw a 2nd line at the bottom and using that line draw your 2nd ellipse. volia, a more accurate cylinder.

-do a page of just drawing ellipses

-try just drawing the two ellipses without the sides and "connect them" with wrapping lines. Think of your wrapping lines like they were ribbons wrapping the surface of your shape.

Shoe face here.

>>1939044
>>1939053
That gesture guy isn't me (If that's what you're thinking). This was me >>1937345

I did take advice from this thread and tried again though, and pic related was the result.

I'll get to work on the cylinders and ellipses.

>>1939020
i think you are supposed to memorieze the plaine of the head. yes.

go for accuracy more than speed looks pretty good but has some proportion issues.

i think doing 10 acurate line drawings / blocking in the plains etc will be more valuabvle than trying to do a rendering right now.

Here's my second attempt at Project 1-A of Bert Dodson's "Keys to Drawing".

Disgusting, isn't it?

>>1938987
Alright. I just thought since I'm studying fun with a pencil right now and currently learning the very basics of Anatomy, I just wasn't ready to tackle character that I have in imagination.

There are characters and ideas I'd love to put out, but I feel as thought I'm currently not skilled enough to make these characters just yet. But with your post, I'll go ahead and give it a shot so I can see where my mistakes are. I mean, what do I got to lose? I'm not having high expectations since I'm still a newbie, but at the same time I guess I don't see why not. Thanks. anon.

Does someone else loses motivation when you notice that you are improving? I fuckin hate myself.

>>1939093
Get used to it. There's going to be a nagging part of your brain that'll tell you to quit. You have to shut that off.

This guy explains it best. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb0g_gWrNf8

I recommend any of Sycra's beginner tutorials. I like him because he knows what every beginner goes through and calmly explains why artists do what they do and how they do it.

>>1939096
thanks mate

>>1939097
I don't know what others go through, but some times the overwhelming sensation to quit can be quite depressing. I've only been drawing for a year but I can't even count how many times I'd wonder around my work place depressed and distant over it.

>pick up a cheap set of charcoal pencils
>primarily use pen/ink
>used to creating form using contours
>have no fucking clue how to shade using these

I feel broken.

Got a note pro early December, these are a few bits I've done, done a lot of doodles and sketches as well but don't want to post all my junk, first up this is an attempt of copying something I saw here, don't have the original though.
1 of 3

Pretty poor I know but my first serious attempt, and I like to think there is some clear improvement in the short time I've had this hobby

>>1939112
2 of 3
a coworker, he likes his apples

>>1939115
3 of 3
did this last night, quite happy with the result, I'm no Picasso but I think I'm improving well

>>1939010
>>1939044
>>1939053
>>1939080

This was fucking hard.

>>1939162
Quit being so stiff.

>>1939162
Hey you're getting it. Your I shape isnt quite at right angles but the main focus is accuracy. Do a page of theses at least once a week til they feel easy. I'll prep notes for you later

Cylinder drawings with some prep for rendering.

The rendering.

Also, first sphere rendering. Took a while but it was fun.

Playing around with ellipses.

>>1939224
Those look neat. I think I'll give those a shot.

I just started drawing on a tablet, this is actually the first thing I've drawn on it. Is this any good? I think the arms might be too long?

>>1939260
Damn, nice heads.

By the way, which book is that from Loomis? I thought it was fun with a pencil, but he doesn't go that depth into head structure.

>>1939265
Thanks bro. It's from Drawing the Head and Hands.

>>1939268
I haven't looked at Head and Hands yet, but after seeing that page I'm kinda interested now. Thanks for the info.

Quite blurry, but I'm obviously having trouble putting hands on my figures. What am I doing wrong?

I think I'm starting to get an idea of 'feeling' the figure. Am I doing okay? What can I do better?

>>1938565
Welp, I know what I need to study

>>1938189
>>1938192
Both look extremely unfinished. For cthulhu, work on your line work. Right now it's very scraggly and suffers from bad chicken scratch. Clean it up and then start to darken the shadows and brighten the highlights. Make the light wrap around the tentacles and the head rather than appearing flat as it is now. A change in the angle of the light might look better as well.
For the other piece, it's hard to critique as there is so little there. The foreshortened arm looks extremely awkward however. Work on that. Also what is going on with his/her left side of their stomach? Why is it curved in so much there? Keep working on both. They have potential but both have a ways to go.

first color study here, I absolutely don't understand this technique, how am I supposed to blend different colors to get a smooth looking rendering ?

I feel like I got lucky on the thing this far, but the back where there's a lot of value variation looks impossible like this.

'The New Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain' instructs that I use a graphite stick. My local art supplies shop doesn't have it ATM and Ebay and amazon have some sets and jumbo sized ones which is not what I need/afford I guess. I bought a 2B and 4B woodless graphite pencils instead.

I'm kind of anxious to begin but I don't want to mess something up. Is it okay if I use that instead of the stick, even though the book says otherwise? Can someone shed some light on this?

>>1939337
No hobby lobby where you're from?

>>1937139
>7
I got rekt, help me out, ic.

>>1939339
UK?

>>1939341
That's shame. Just shave a pencil down to the lead and flatten out one of the sides and make the even tone that way.

>>1939342
So just to see if I understood you correctly, it's okay to use the woodless pencil instead of the stick in the meantime and improvise with another pencil for tone / shadow, etc.?

>>1939352
I had posted that by the time I read the part about the woodless pencil. I'm sure the 2b will be fine. Don't stress on stuff too much.

>>1939353
OK, thanks anon. Here's a cute gif.

>>1938576
>>1938577

dude, seriously, thanks for this

>>1937059

My attempt at this thing y'all are doing

What kind of work schedule do you guys have?
I'm a lazy bum and I thought getting a decent one would help a lot.

>>1939378
Get a trello account and put exercises on them and work through them whenever you have free time.

>>1939377
God damn! It's coming out better!

How can I get rid of symbol drawing?

>>1937139
Jolly old pencil and paper. I'm getting too used to moving around body parts in photoshop.

I prefer the look of 7.5 heads but he teaches according to 8 what do

lighting practicing

>>1939441
Your preference might be caused by your size in real life

>>1939463
I'm 6'2 and prefer the 7.5 one, but maybe that's because I'm used to drawing life models like that.

I'm not a beginner in general, but I've never really painted digitally before.

Tried to see how far I could get in an hour. Apparently not very far!

>>1939498
construction seems fine, which is the important part imo

Jeez, I really should start practicing everyday.

> Haven't drawn anything serious in something like 2 months
> Have some free time, so why don't?
> Fail EVERYTHING

I should have been notice giant freakin' flaws in construction on very first stages, but I haven't >__>

can a small tablet really be a drawback or is it only and nothing else than an excuse?

>>1939574
Does it give you pain? Maybe.

Otherwise no.

I wonder sometimes if people are taking class while visiting this thread, or everything is simply self taught with the advice given here?

Next semester I've signed up for some art classes my community college, and I feel like I'll still be making frequent visits here in hopes to improve. Well, I'd like to improve the best way possible, anyways.

>>1939585
I'm self-taught because there aren't any good classes near my area; I'm not sure about the other anons though.

>>1939585
In the end you're the one responsble for how good you get. Classes is just a good way to force yourself to learn

>>1939464

8 heads is an idealized version that was thought up back in the classical era. To be quite honest you'd have to be basketball center/forward height or have runway model proportions to be close to 8 heads cause the average joe is around 7-7.5.

>>1939608
im 11

Started Fun with a Pencil.
Any suggestions?

>>1939697

Not bad, mang. Keep going.

>>1939697

Trying doing some on your own. It won't be nearly as good since you're a fucking newfag at it but you got the basic ideas of construction down.

>>1939707
You're right. This is much more taxing than just copying.
Thanks anon.

What's the most basic way to draw hair?
I know Betty Edwards said something about making hair look like a shape, but I didn't quiet understand due to lack of examples.

Anyone have any good suggestions or ways to tackle hair without adding detail?

>>1938898
ok todays portrait is a bit better but still bad. the features are a bit off so i dropped it to this point.

>>1939756
It seems like your biggest problem is symmetry in perspective - being able to draw similar shapes on similar planes.

One of the most common ways to help combat this is to flip the canvas horizontally, and to do it often. If you're not doing that already, I suggest you start.

>>1939771
yes symetry in perspective is a dick. I flip but still no good. any exercises to help with this problem ?

How do I effectively set up a shot?
Preferably to show multiple characters interacting.

>>1937529
>Congrats, you hit on the secret truth of why 99% of /ic/ doesn't make it
>Art requires talent most people lack
>if you had a modicum of actual talent for this it would have shown by now and you sure as shit wouldn't be posting in a "Beginner" (pretender) thread on fucking 4chan.

Well, I'm glad someone said it.

>>1937529
>magic talent juice
>not skill
mmhmm

>>1939780

Ok, im not gonna say that im good at drawing and shit.

But why not go the way of least resistance and simply look at a few interesting pictures online and then try to draw perspective over it and how the peopel in it are positioned.

>>1939802
>talent

Why not just come out and say it? Some people are just not cognitive enough for art. Talent has nothing to do with it. Attitude has a lot to do with it and some people can't change their's.

>>1937527
>Sometimes I wonder if the artists I look up to had to go through

These artists have been drawing/painting for a very long time. Sometimes since the day they could hold a pencil. The later you start in your life the harder it is to become. ESPECIALLY if you're an adult. Anyone over the age of 20 has this attitude of, "I'm grown I can do anything with little effort!" This isn't the case with art. It's going to take time and failures. Many, many, many failures. Get used to the idea of failing and just appreciate the journey you're going through. Be loose.

>>1939756
I don't have your ref so I just worked from my imagination, but hopefully it still shows some stuff. Basically I think you need to correct some perspective/drawing issues as the other anon said, and avoid the soft brush for now. Just focus on simple planes and stuff with a hard brush and get the proper forms (with the soft brush things are getting mushy). I also think your values are a bit muddy, so I work more from midtones then creep out to the extremes.

>>1939817
i will try with hard brush next time.

what exactly do you guys mean by ''making it''

>>1939832
Depends on the person, some have tangible goals like earn a living from art, become better than a certain artist(s) etc

Making it is the carrot I dangle infront of my eyes to push me forward, its always ahead of me.

Quick attempt at a container & its contents.

messing with shapes and volumes

>>1938576
>>1938140
Thanks, anons! I'll eventually get around to helping people via redlines when I feel more confident (and learn more about construction)

Speaking of construction, I'm a bit overwhelmed by the jump from mannequin to anatomy in Loomis' book. Hampton feels a bit more organic about muscle construction on the mannequin (and I find it easier to apply his way of construction to photo studies), but still very complex. Vilppu's manual is just very ??? for me. How are you all starting muscle construction?


>more photo studies to put off memorizing loomis diagrams

Here's a sphere render I did earlier.

GOOD LUCK AND SKILLZ WILL COME TO YOU SOON, BUT ONLY IF YOUR CRITIQUE THIS DRAWING, IF YOU DON'T YOU WILL SOON EXPERIENCE LIGAMENT PROBLEMS IN YOUR DOMINANT WRIST.

>>1937139
damn, why is this so hard

>>1939744
Anyone?

>>1939928
do you paint or just use gradients?

>>1940052
proko on youtube

>>1940052
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGuYmqTDah4

Alphonso dunn has really good tutorials and approaches it in a different way.

>>1940046
Almost there!

Redo the hair and the eye farthest away from the viewer. Her lips look flat too. Practice those forms and practice the form of the neck

>>1937139
First time trying this.

>>1940085
Oh dear god, I didn't notice those shoulders.

it doesnt feel tridimensional enough
what am i doing wrong

>>1937529
>>1939802
Are people like this trolling, or do they not believe everybody starts out shit?

>>1940136

Read the posts again, Just World- noone is seriously arguing that Michelangelo popped out of the womb fully-capable of producing a David.

>>1940123

Well, you could block in some rudimentary shadows.Just maybe where one shape is over top another, or in front of one.

Other than that it's just a matter of design. The bottom part isn't very dynamic, and the floppy part on the top is kind of odd. It looks like the part with the vagina is hanging towards the back, while the bottom part with the dick is drawn in a way that kind of makes it look like it's right in the foreground. It's not really dynamic enough to give you a good idea of foreshortening, there's nothing really around to give you a sense of perspective, and there's no shadow to give a sense of form.

It's not so difficult to get a sense of form with something that's easily recognizable, like a human, but with something where you're not exactly sure what size it is in proportion to it's other parts, you get a bit thrown off without any shading to kind of give you that impression of it popping out here and receding there.

I hope that makes sense

>>1939302

anyone ? I'm on manga studio, blending tool isn't really that enjoyable. are there long process videos I can look at ?

>>1937059
Where are the studies on OP of these posts from? You guys keep a group?

>>1940174
smooth rendering is how well you can control transition of value and color, you either create transition manually by opacity and adding intermediate tones/color or let the brush do the work for you like MS' oil paint brush, I suggest you try that.

Any other perspective exercises i can do besides 1-point, 2-point and 3-point?

Any vids on better ways to draw the face? Reading fun with a pencil and having difficulties understanding how to draw a face from references without Loomis holding my hand. I guess I've been blindly drawing his work without understanding, but I can't seem to understand what he means.

I always hear things about seeing certain parts of the face like "shapes", but I'm not sure what people mean by that. Any videos going more detail in this?

>>1940181
Trying this without the amount of lines
Also drawings humans and complicated objects in perspective. Als mirroring in perspective. Adding čast shadows in perspective too!

>>1940181
4 and 5 point perspective

>>1940185
Same anon here, actually found some under Proko. What I was asking was how to draw the features of the face. What I didn't realize is that Proko has each feature broken down per video. This should help.

>>1940187

anyone got some examples of something that might use this?

is there any hope for me?

>>1940181
Isometric, 2 point looking up, 2 point looking down, fish eye, reflections in perspective, and proper cast shadows in all perspective.

>>1940207
yeah I think so, lots of energy and movement in those gestures, some are a little off but you're doing good so far.

Only suggestion right now, cool it with the lines, try to capture in as few and smooth as possible.

What do I read/watch to get better at gestures?

Squidoo is down for me.

>>1940210
thank you... I, honestly really needed that, I've been really emotionally battered by my artistic inability lately.

from ref thread

been struggling to capture this chicks hair for that last day or two and it's driving me crazy.

Anyone got any tips for hair in particular? At this point I don't mind if the face ends up off, I just want to get the look and feel of her hair down.

>>1940234

so im reading drawing on the right side of the brain and i got to the part were we have to draw spiderman and the knight upside down, my spiderman turned out.. okay, ive spent like 30 mins on this damn horse and i still cant get him right. any suggestions?

>>1939822

this is my first real attempt at color. i know i should have done more work but im just looking for feedback.

>>1940348
and im aware scale/form are off

>>1940348
fill in the entire background before drawing things on top of it. I'm not very clear but I mean like the reflection of the rock, don't leave that white space around it before drawing it, it won't mesh well together.

New: >>1940460

Thank you for helping fellow beginners >>1938576 >>1938577