/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

how long should it take me or does it take in average to finish a character concept?

How do I make organic curves in perspective?

>>1920772

first you will have to learn to DRAW.
forget colors, values,..

>>1920772
>how long should it take me or does it take in average to finish a character concept?

what kind of god awful question is that? how do you expect us to know how long it will take you.. not only is that extremely subjective, but you shouldn't be worrying about how long it takes "in average" for others to finish a character concept.

you should finish it when it looks adequate, and you have a lot of things to fix before it even reaches that point.
the tones and lighting is terrible, the pose is stiff and difficult to read, those legs are incredibly far apart and the arms look awkward as fuck. take a good look at what you are doing and strive to fix it, instead of plaguing our eyes with this shit.

>>1920784
oh my gosh, you are referencing a photo? draw yourself a nice little perspective grid over the photo of the car and try to learn through practice. what do you expect us to do, spoon feed you? hold your hand and walk you through the process? all you have to do is observe the nature of how three dimensional forms move in space. that's all it is.

/ic/ is a toilet.

>>1920784
Scott Robertsons how to draw book goes over that stuff. Look into it.

>>1920786
calm down, I'm just referencing the car not straight copying it. Making a grid over it would be useless since It's turned in space. If you don't know you have to respond.

You fucking ponce.

>>1920789
I'll look into it

>>1920778
>>1920778
Beautiful.

>>1920795
*don't have to

before you critique my typo

>>1920795
actually looking at the image and /learning through practice/ would help you, if anything.... that was the point of my feedback. you haven't even begun, and you are already running here with your lines, searching for answers. you would learn more by just buckling down and going through the process of trail and error. all there is to drawing is observation & truly analyzing what you see. you've got your photo, look at others for assistance as well. godspeed.

>>1920796
thank you o':

Need help with the sword coming into the foreground, I reckon shifting the knight's left hand upwards to follow the same tilt as the sword would work, but how it foreshortens seems iffy to me.

Any other crit or help would be nice.

>>1920803
fair enough, I apologize for the harsh words. I actually have the Robertson book, I just came here first to see if someone knew something I didn't, or maybe someone else would benefit from the question's answer.

>>1920804
the sword and the man in the foreground looks impressive, but that... girl? its pose makes little to no sense, especially at the hip & legs,,, the right leg is pivoted inwards too much in a way that isn't natural, and the left leg is the opposite. the neck doesn't attach to the head correctly, it looks broken. & that face..

study the human form more, and how it balance in poses of action.

>>1920810
>the sword and the man in the foreground looks impressive, but that... girl? its pose makes little to no sense, especially at the hip & legs,,, the right leg is pivoted inwards too much in a way that isn't natural, and the left leg is the opposite. the neck doesn't attach to the head correctly, it looks broken. & that face..

It was my intention to "point" the legs towards the knight but in hindsight I see it did make her body incredibly awkward, I agree with the neck bit and faces are one of my more glaring weaknesses. thx m8

could you elaborate on the face though? is it out of proportion? does she look derpy/ugly?

>>1920811
Different anon, but I think the facial construction is fine, but she needs an actual expression. You don't see many people in mortal combat hurling swords around with a derpy stoic grin on their face.

>>1920812
you were a huge inspiration for this >>1920778
please never stop posting ;o; all that you do is brilliant

>>1920811
like >>1920817 said, the construction is fine, but the expression is completely blank, save the furrowed brows. it would probably look less goofy once the neck is fixed, too. i wish you luck.

>>1920785
>>1920786
am i being trolled here?

>>1920828
>>1920765
>>1920772
If you are gabe, you are NOT being trolled

>>1920828
read the critiques and look at what you've done again. really look at it.

it's a terrible design... it would be more accurate to ask if /we/ are being trolled.

Felt really good with this one.

>>1920835
Who is gabe
And why people think i am him, not the first time lol
>>1920836
How can i fix the design?
Or how can i learn whether or not a design is good or bad?

first half of today

>>1920852

second half of today

>>1920848
i'm not certain if one can develop good tastes & sense of design, or if it is something that some people have, and others just lack. .. you can learn just about anything though, right?

based off of that, i believe that it just depends on the maturation of a being. with time and experience, you observe and learn what appears to be "aesthetic", and what is the contrary. if i were you, i would spend a lot of time looking at artwork and photos, and visiting museums and galleries. since you're interested in concept art and such, subject yourself to quality movies and video games. hell, spend a lot of time looking at & scrutinizing everything. really analyze and churn around the thoughts in your mind of what makes good designs desirable.

looking at your piece, the overall composition, color palette, and design choices in the armor and skeleton are what really stick out to me.

>>1920852
>>1920853
these two look nice beside each other due to the blue, but i think you overdid it in the second one. it's far too bright and looks gaudy in comparison to the other, muddy colors.

>>1920843
Well, I like it.
not sure if the head is too big though... I am bad with head sizes myself and tend to draw them too small

>>1920784
the box you drew is in a completely different perspective than the car. Do you realize that?

>>1920859
see >>1920795

Finished this dude just now, can someone redline the shield for me? I tried different things but it turns out weird whatever I do.

>>1920493
hoping for some answers to my question from the last post. thank you.

>>1920843
>posting materials where the subject should hold place
no.
stop it

>>1920810
Ironic that you would post a picture of a woman who doesn't know how to hold or swing a sword. The pose in the photo looks as bad as the drawn pose you're complaining about.

>>1920865
this fucking guy. God, first match wasn't bad, after the smelter demon- he kept rekkn me (still haven't beaten him there), and when he was an actual boss I murked him (barely).
nice pic.

>>1920901
Thanks, by the way dat NG+ duo... So hard.

>>1920893
it's just an example of a balanced pose with functioning legs to serve as an example. apologies, o master swordsman.

Finished the first drawing of a male i did ever.
It still looks a bit homo but i tried.

Finished the first drawing of a male i did ever.
It still looks a bit homo but i tried.

>>1920928
The lips are too luscious and the tip of the nose is too smooth and perfect. Other than that, breddy good.

im having trouble with the eyes and the flames need something but idk what :v

>>1920905
It's not a balanced pose. It's a fucking shit pose. She's clearly standing still and not actually making the move, which leads to an extremely awkward, static pose.
She also looks like she's having a seizure and is about to dislocate her shoulder.

>>1920930
Yeah i have this thing when i feel like i have to make everyone super femenine or canonically qt. My next male is going to be more manly and without glossy lips i swear. Thanks!

>>1920935

wow, you really went all out. why dont you put your time and effort into critiquing the artwork that people post instead of a photo that i didnt even take or pose. i included it because it was the only photo i had in that moment in time that slightly resembled what i was giving feedback for. it exemplifies proper balence in the legs, along with form, and doesn.t even look a fraction as bad as you are describing it. not everything you see is going to be as perfect as you wish, regardless.

fucking autist

>>1920933
this has such a good atmosphere, a+ /o\

I gotta finnish this soon. What do you guys think?
Donnys gonna be in a pictuer frame.

>>1920955
The legs and hands are way too big for the head

Also, some thoughts on this one? Practiced values since I never paint, what should I work on?

>>1920944
>it exemplifies proper balence in the legs, along with form,
No, it doesn't. You're giving absolutely shit advice, so I'm calling you out on it.
The momentum of doing pretty much anything action oriented shifts the balance and thus the pose of the person doing the action, so that photos like that are utterly useless. People who use shit like that end up with lifeless stills, that look like they're taking from some high school play.

If you think having a minimum standard is autism, then I feel really fucking sorry for you. Enjoy flipping burgers.

>>1921005
tim?

>>1920784

I would draw the shape from the side first, then do the cross-sections next. Also disregard the fenders initially.

This is fucking awful... I'll draw it for real and post it later.

>>1921017
I just do it by feel, and use basic perspective and construction to line things up and place landmarks.

>>1921010
BRS

>>1921006
>those boobs
>those lips

whyboner

>>1921005
Composition is interesting. Give more flow, take a look at Mucha's stuff.

>>1921006
Nice!

>>1921008
Your study's values aren't even close. Convert your ref to b/w next time.
Also, your ref is shit for value painting study. You're better off getting roman bust/statues ref like these >>1921006
It's obvious you're too meticulous on the details, and it's screwing with the values. Use bigger brushes.

>>1921009
enjoy...flipping burgers?? i.m conducting graduate level physics research at a university and interning under the EPA, as a senior in high school. i.ve experienced and accomplished more than you ever will. you and i both know that you are bitter and pathetic. i.d pay to see your art.

>>1921035
*cough*bullshit*cough*

>>1921035
you guys smell that??? smells like bullshit doesn't it? :/

>>1921035
That's hilarious. You can't even use apostrophes or capital letters.
And I got my engineering degree nearly a decade ago.

>>1921006
Nice elements, but the hands are killing this completely. Hands are not vaguely mitten shaped blobs, they are just as detailed as a face and should be treated as such, even in a suggested piece like this.

>>1921035
>i.ve experienced and accomplished more than you ever will.

Including posting your tits on /b/, apparently. Oh Marky Mark. You so crazy.

>>1921053
Yes, I had some trouble repositioning the arm that I never got to the bottom half of the image. I had probably spent more time on in than the face to be honest.

Ill work on it some more; its turning out much better after putting it down for 2 months

>>1921032
>>1921031
:)

Sketched this guy out on a break.


what do you guys think, obviously shading is just in the blockout stage.

I've been struggling with a creative block for a while, and this popped out of me today. I wanted to have some fun with something for once.

Is there anything that looks blatantly bad? I'm really not shooting for perfect perspective, but I appreciate any and all feedback!

>>1921039
>>1921040
tinuviele blogspot /search/label/Internship U:

>>1921056
ahh... you know nothing.

>>1921043
you've stooped to the level of insulting the fact that i don't use capital letters, and periods in place of apostrophes because my phone is broken? nice.

>>1921109
>ahh... you know nothing.
Everything's archived, so I know enough.

>you've stooped to the level of insulting the fact that i don't use capital letters, and periods in place of apostrophes because my phone is broken? nice.

I apologize for not having psychic abilities. Regardless, you seem like a person who'd do shit like that to be quirky and unique. Gotta work on those anger issues, though.

>>1921096
Is this traditionally painted?

>>1921171

no

>>1921096
If I wasn't on mobile I'd take it into Photoshop to tweak around the levels a little and see what I could get. I feel your scene would do great with low key lighting, so I guess it could use more contrast.

Time to move on I guess, any crits?

>>1921178
Thanks. I'll play around with those. My biggest issue right now is the Samus duck. I think I'm gonna redo that duck to be laying down on its back and pointing upwards towards the Link duck.

>>1921171
Nope - all drawn in Photoshop.

>>1921069
Nice! Especially for being sketched out, makes me wonder how people even paint in PS, it seems so convoluted and unnatural.

>>1921032
Alright, I'll try simpler forms for study value, thanks for the feedback.

Tried to paint this as fast as I could, it took about 4 hours.

redrawing a sketch i drew ages ago ugh

trying to do brush economy
i want to learn how to get different colors on the brush at the same time..

>>1920938
Redraw any scene from Predator to get that extra manliness.

>>1920843
looks good, this is a subtle thing, but it looks to me like her leg that is crossed over isn't really resting on the other one. Unless you were going for a pose where she's in the middle of crossing it.
>>1920932
I think your problem is that the flames are darker than the orb. If they were the brightest thing, I think they would read better.
>>1920933
I dig it, reminds me of fez

>>1921218
what the fuck

>>1920928
Wait a second.
I know that style.

I don't wanna take the shot and then you get scared and fly away, so I'll just be quiet about it.

>>1921267
is it that bad or...?

>>1921202

I honestly can't tell if this is sarcastic or not.

Anyway, I'm looking at it again now, and the pose is rely stuff and his arms are all fucked up, I'll probably redo the whole torso area before I paint

>>1921276
Now im curious. I dont post here often tho.

>>1921282
The look very unappealing. Are they women or transvestites

>>1921294
they're not really meant to look "appealing" m8

>>1921294
They look like warriors. Social justice warriors. Because women have to be ugly and men have to be women.

>>1921300
top kek sorry for drawing faces the way i draw them and not being interested in making every single character of mine to look like a doll

>>1921301
Anon, no one will stop you from drawing how you want but there's a difference between drawing believable, grounded looking characters and drawing Sylvester Stallone in drag.

>>1921218
The left thigh on the pink-haired one needs to be foreshortened more at an angle. The orange-haired thing needs a slightly stronger curvature of her hunched-over body, as to feel the weight of the girl above.
Other than that, you're pretty good, don't listen to these dollfacefags.

>>1921301
>>1921305
dollface? These are grotesque. Nobody is asking for a super model, just something that doesn't look like a man.

>>1921304
ok tbh i was a bit annoyed over the "critique" but your comment made me lol, thx.
you need to draw sylvester stallone in drag once in a while to refresh your head from the regular dollfaces.
either way, i would like to know if the anatomy is believable at least? faces aside that is

>>1921300
This is now the official title of that piece.

>>1921307
Not really, no. It's fine as is. He should focus on the form and the anatomy.

>>1921310
Why do you keep arguing when you clearly don't know what you're talking about

>>1921311
Stop projecting your own inability to discern what's important to critique in this piece.

>>1921308
The lady on the back looks mostly fine, besides her left leg which seems to go nowhere, the thing on the front's pectoral looks wrong in how it connects to the deltoid.

I actually like the one on the back, bar that thigh.

>>1921314
Oops. I posted the wip. Here is final bit

Nothrr thing

>>1921312
Do you really think the overall impression is less important than the anatomy? What do you think the artist is trying to express with his/her picture? I doubt the goal is to draw people in drag.

>>1921315
Need to work on your values more but it's good.

And nother

>>1921307
i literally agreed with anon who said they look like sylvester stallone in drag you fuckwit, i'm not saying these are dollfaces, learn to read
>>1921309
yes

And lastly a linoleum reduction cut

>>1921318
Your subjective impression is irrelevant since it's based on your taste. Art pieces have objective parameters that can be measured and judged, this we can talk about. Who gives a fuck if you think those look like guys in drag.

>>1921039
>>1921040
samefag

>>1921324
It does matter if the artist has a certain goal. At the moment the artist didn't stylize it properly to show what their intent with the picture is.

>>1921318
Doing a piece like that you know damn right anatomy is important. What exactly is your argument here? That he should focus on the face and ignore the odd bodies?

>>1921329
Who said he should ignore the anatomy?

Anatomy is a problem, but the rest isn't 'just fine' either.

>>1921128
you were the livid one, i was not angry in the least. & you wouldn't have the slightest clue as to what i'd "seem like", it usually isn't wise to make judgements without any logic to support.

how did you know who i was, anyways? you pointed out my identity before i posted my blog U:

>>1921332
phenomenal.

>>1921290
hey Orphee.

Did I guess right?

>>1921282
just the bold lines and feminine color make the composition kinda unappealing

>>1921317
As much as I love uniball, get it out of the composition

>>1921326

>6 hour ago nutshot
You missed the train

>>1921340
>how did you know who i was, anyways? you pointed out my identity before i posted my blog U:
Not him but you run across artists you know and say hey and stuff.

It gets pretty weird in those porn threads, cause what you fapped to 3 days ago may be in that thread, and the artist as well.
Very awkward, but satisfying

>>1921282
Looks like a man on his/her back dude

>>1921342
Naw. Please show me his/her work tho.
Now i feel unoriginal ;-;

>>1921349
Well, I fucked up.

Ah well.

>>1921357
Oh yes i can see the similarities. Her style is cuter tho. I thought that maybe you knew me irl or smth, thats why i asked

>>1921365
I guess Ill reverse google your image and find you then huh?

Who knows anon, who knows....

Made this using a different workflow that i'm used to. Can i get some crits on it?

>>1921006
Push dem values

>>1921429
that girl is cute, but those illustrations on the top are fly as fuck.

>>1921432
Looks cool actually.
and I use "cool" as in both ways tempurature wise and in a hip way.

Did you use the "close your eyes and doodle shit then open your eyes and draw it" thing?

>>1921435
Good thing I fapped earlier, cause goddamn I felt really horny for that pic

>>1921436
Those are jimmy corrigans cover actually

>>1921415
JOKES ON YOU I DIDNT UPLOAD THIS TO DA YET. But my blog is no secret

>>1921432
I like it. Now, if it was a industrial-mine machine... Wouldn't it be dirtier and aged? At least that's the feeling I get from the exhaust on the top. Anyway, nice.

>>1921440
>jimmy corrigans
holy shit what

>>1921442
AAGGGGHHHHHHH

just got done wid this

WIP

How's it look so far?

>>1921453
your shading looks nice, on its own as a tit-bit, but your drawing looks flat.
Plus if he was carrying somthing like that, his stance would be off balance

>>1921449
I love you

>>1921436
Thanks m8! No, i used photobashing of some close up pictures of food to get a starting point.
>>1921447
Good point! I didnt really have anything in mínd when it came to the purpose of the machine so i just tried to keep it clean. The smoke was kinda a last touch thing that didnt really have any reason behind it, i just wanted to paint smoke for some reason but it was probably a bad idea.

>>1921457
;)

Still trying. I honestly don't know how people fucking draw like this, this is the hardest shit I've ever tried to do.

>>1921500
He looks like he's nearing fourty, chill out with the wrinkles.

>>1921516
Is this any better?

>>1921500
Poor draftsmanship, do still life

>>1921521

>>1921453

>>1921528
>Poor draftsmanship, do still life

Not him but how is a still life an effective way to improve draftsmanship .

>>1921529
Facial expression is tons better, Link doesn't look arrogant/disgusted anymore. He still looks like an adult man, dunno if that was your intention.
If you want him to make him look younger, you'll have to check the proportion of the face. I can't help you out with tutorials right now, but you'll probably find plenty.

Right now he has lots of nose and jaw, a sure sign that he's out of pubertiy since a long time.

It's still a good painting, so kudos.

>>1921529

Add some hue variations on the skin, it's look too flat as it is now. But good painting anyway! :)

>>1921537
>>1921544
Sorry to disappoint but that was just someone's paint over. I'm gonna do the best I can with mine, though. It's for a request, it's supposed to be Link with a beard so I thought he should look a bit older but we'll see how it goes I guess.

>>1921533
confirmed doesnt do still life
you wouldnt understand

>>1921560
>inb4 2deep4me

>>1921553
Then it's fine!

>>1921553
The heavy black eyelashes make him look very pretty.

>>1921560

Confirmed for not knowing anything.

>inb4 idonthavetoholdyourhand

>>1920933
is that a pipe underneath? Cause its not aligned on the drain on the floor

I don't even know man.. I'm really happy about how I shaded the face, but I know I'll fuck it all up when I try to paint the hair. How can you get into realistic hair painting? Everything I do looks like shit

>>1921644
less is more nigga, check out our favorite boy proko mcscroto

ok, I'm done with drawing her.
for this year.

far from done

>>1921703
nicely done, try drawing a prettier one next time

>>1921703
would fug

>>1921703
ear 2 high

Definitely still have a ways to go. The lightning was a pain in the ass.

im having a hard time figuring out the legs
any help?

>>1921595
>>1921597
Thanks guys. I'm still whittling away at it.
>>1921836
This is awesome.

>>1921858
Open google.
Type leg muscles.
Click on first image.

should I stop arting now?

>>1921889
never

>>1921889
you never should've started.

>>1921553
I think I pretty much got the face where I wanted it. I think I lost some of the youthful look I added in the last one though. But I think he still looks fairly young? Mid 20's or so. I dunno, this is hard.

>>1921704

>>1921926
add more wrinkles to make him older

>>1921926
Its interesting but that skin tones are shit. He looks like a dorito

>>1920865

the pursuer's shield is convex, or bulges outward. the circle in the center should poke out above the outer rim maybe. im too lazy to redline

>>1921930
I want him to look young, though. Not as young as he normally does, which I think is more like a teenager, but at least somewhere in his 20's. Just like adult aged. But someone earlier said he looked almost 40 which is too much. If I can get somewhere from 25-30 I'll be happy with that but I'm trying to make it 20-23.

>>1921935
Hes 27-28 for me
But i like it a lot still. There are many 23 year olds that could look like a classic link but taller. So you are okay

>>1921933
Okay I guess that means he's too yellow/orange? I'm not sure but I'll see what I can do about it.
>>1921938
Okay, I can live with 28. I think if I mess with it too much more I'll really ruin it so I'm just gonna go on and start finishing it up. Thanks, anon.

>>1921926
use more red and blue tones in the skin :)

>>1921935
less beard then

>>1921941
No problem bro.
Yeah just use more blues and reds, yours is not looking very healthy and its kinda boring. If you mix different tones of reds and blues and desaturate it a bit, i think it would look amazing.

>>1921926
Are you using chuck Norris as a reference, wtf

>>1921937
Fuck, man. I just can't ever manage to color hair.

>>1921961
You should make the hair a bit darker for contrast and the face a bit less fat looking
Colors are looking amazing, keep it up m8

>>1921962
I'm sort of using this as a reference for the anatomy of her face, if that helps.
I'll try darkening the hair though.

>>1921943
>>1921953
Okay, more red and blue, I think I can handle that...thanks for letting me know, otherwise I'd have been just sort of guessing which way to go with color correcting, heh.
>>1921944
Thanks, it's okay though he looks young/old enough so I'm not gonna keep noodling it.
>>1921958
I know, when I saw the thumbnail I thought it looked strangely like him too, fukin freaky.

>>1921929

paint more opaquely. this is horribly muddy although the proportions and overall values/color choices seem pretty accurate.

>>1921929
I will never ever understand this groundless anti-structural approach of some of you, guys. It's just always the same busy mess. I don't even put the first touch of color until the drawing is fully solved; apart from maybe a few extremely skillful watercolorists, without drawing there's just nothing to do at all in classical/descriptive art.

>>1920784
some basic shapes to start, needs more passes.

>>1920784
You can always keep getting better on that grid/boxing technique that works great for drawing machinery and similar stuff, thought I personally find it a bit boring.

Alternatively, you can try a coup d'oeil (stroke of the eye) approach to sketching in general, by quickly shifting between watching your model and reproducing the general direction of the forms with your hand. You can then easily resize and ad all sorts of details to that first solid directional sketch.

You can always keep getting better at that grid/boxing technique that works great for drawing machinery and similar stuff, though I personally find it boring.

Alternatively, you can try a coup d'oeil (stroke of the eye) approach to sketching in general, by quickly shifting between watching your model and reproducing the general direction of the forms with your hand. You can then easily rescale if necessary and ad all sorts of details to that first solid directional sketch.

>>1920784
You can always keep getting better at that grid/boxing technique that works great for drawing machinery and similar stuff, though I personally find it boring.

Alternatively, you can try a coup d'oeil (stroke of the eye) approach to sketching in general, by quickly shifting between watching your model and reproducing the general direction of the forms with your hand. You can then easily rescale if necessary and ad all sorts of details to that first solid directional sketch.

Skin temp. study

>>1922056
Good! almost as if Freud have had better taste in models.

Updated ducks. Liking this one a lot more.

Any feedback? Anything look wonky or not right?

>>1922072

>2014
>not being into BBW's
>thinking you are ever gonna make it

ISHYGDDT

>>1922089
It's hard to read. If you're not using lines at all, try pushing up values and contrast so the figures do pop out from the background. Also, decide for just one clear focal point and commit to it.

Little painting for me mum

>>1922056
red on her chest seems extreme but it's nice otherwise

>>1922122
Oh, its great.. honey

>>1922122
>I told you I would make it, Mama.

>Oh, you don't have to make anything, my sweet, you just have to love your mother.

>>1922122
In the 80's you could have sold that to Met.

>>1922130
>YOU CANT MAKE MONEY IN DRAWING ANON, JUST GO TO COLLEGE AND GET A REAL JOB
>what if I just make it
>sell shit forever and make it
>momma cant tell me shit
>I aint got no type

>>1921991
im too high to understand this
>>1921978
can u give me an example?

>>1922130

thats the best thing about moms. they love you no matter how much of a failure you are.

>>1922148
>dad wants to kick me out
>mom wants me to get my life together and gather money while at home

oh god

>>1922056
siiiiiick

criticism PLS
hallow from terraria

>>1922163
Looks nice, I love that game. I haven't found the Hallow yet, though, so I can't critique it much.

>>1922056
Left ribs and/or serratus go to low, overlapping with the oblique. Beautiful work overall.

I have a general question, and suppose this is a good place to ask.

Do you learn anatomy almost solely from doing studies? I suppose not, but how often do you need to try your hand at making things without a reference? I at least have no idea how to draw a body even slightly correctly from scratch.

This one's old, but I still treasure it for reasons.

>>1922168
Mano, you have skill but go back to the foundations. I like the way you've crafted the colour, but the form is needing the work, it's where you're going wrong.
Look at the shape. Scrap the colour, work in just one colour and work on getting the shapes right. His collar ends near his mustache on the right of the painting, not by the end of his shoulder. His neck on the left side of the painting also reaches the collar closer to his ear, where yours is a bit further away. Also, work more on those shadows, give it some more contrast to give it more depth.
Keep going, mano, you can do it.

>>1922179
Actually, apart from copying some Michelangelo stuff as a teen, I've never done proper anatomical studies (I mean, drawing bodies just for the sake of learning and not intended for a specific piece). However, I did learn anatomy -and physiology- in somewhat fair detail both in high school while aiming towards medicine (though going for pure maths in the end) and later as a (failed) classical dancer.

So yeah, there are many ways to get somewhat versed in anatomy. However, I didn't use references or used weirdly for many years, thus developing a crooked "style" that I latter hated and struggled to shake off of. I now always use references for everything (not just people), even if partial ones.

>>1921836
Update. Still a shitton of work to do.

watercolors and inks

>>1922204
Simple and effective.

>>1921432
It's good. Tachikoma influence, by any chance?

>>1922180
>that signature
are you Wei Shen?

>>1922204
"no man is an island"

>>1922205
>no pants
>shirt covering body

Is this supposed to be lewd or what?

>>1922218
Sorry, I googled it and still don't follow.
Æ is been my monotype for ages. though.

>>1922224
It was a joke.
The signature in the box like that are usually oriental. Wei Shen is just a Chinese video game character.

>>1922226
Oh, I see.

No, I'm not oriental and signing with a monotype in a square or circle was more of a Durer/Schiele thing in the beginning. But I did use it together with kanji later on.

"Melancholia On A Beautiful Skyline"

Give onions pleas

>>1922226
>>1922231
>oriental

>>1922242
its 'amise' of some type.
chiniese
vietamese
koreanese
bees knees

Alright I can't. I just can't anymore with this. I got other stuff I need to be drawing so this is where my lazy ass is leaving this for now. Thanks and much appreciation to everyone who helped me, though!

>>1920852
hell to the yes, but ur landscapes need work

>>1920887
fuck no, its a mess, make it look like something that isnt an error

>>1920933
yes, i like how u made the isolated and lonelt feel of the place even lonelier by cuting it out the building and only drawin the room

>>1922255
Well it's pretty good if you don't want people to take it seriously, it's like those drawings where people turn cute touhou girls into manly vikings.

>>1921096
i cant give any advice that would make this better but dammit i love the idea

>>1921698
im sorry but its perfect, like nothing else u can do, its just perfect

>>1922235
Quite high-schoolish

>>1920933
sick

>>1920765
Here's a recent drawing I made. I would like to further develop this style. Does anyone have any feedback?
>>1920853
I think the bridge is too high in the picture. In my humble opinion, a bit more space above the bridge would make it look more calm.
>>1920865
It looks like the shield sort of balances on his hand, like a waitress with plates. I suggest maybe tilting it sideways a bit, so it is more in line with the rest of the character's pose

from reference

from reference

>>1921429
istn that book at the top called "jimmy something, the luckiest boy in the world"? i loved that shit

I was going to post my current drawing but now I'm ashamed of myself. You guys are awesome. Besides, it's in student grade colored pencils. It's not that good looking and I could only post a photo at the moment.

You guys are awesome, really.

did this today with a couple copic ciao markers and a pencil

>>1922367
The suit is a bit too blurry, even if it's not the focal point.

>>1922457
i like it

>>1922355
Learn the planes of the human face.
It looks like a mess

>>1922457
thats one sassy soilder.
I like it.

>>1922138

fuck

>i aint got no type

im laughing so hard, the production quality of that song is addicting. lol.

>>1922286
>good if you don't want people to take it seriously
My feelings... ;-;
Maybe I'll go back and do more to it someday.. or just redo it, I guess...

Art gains

I know there are numerous errors, but this is a favorite of mine so far

does he look manly?

>>1922557
If you're asking, then no

>>1922570
why?

>>1922557
>>1922579
Different anon here.

The jaw is very narrow, the cheeks are rounded and pronounced, the lips are plush and shiny. Something is off with the eyes as well, but I can't put my finger on it.

Basically it looks like a girl in man makeup. If you're aiming for manly, use more straight lines than curves. Make shit angular as if it were chiseled out of wood. Accentuate traits that are airbrushed away in female models (cheek creases on the sides of the nose, rough skin and imperfections, wrinkles, etc). You could also give him a more aggressive, determined look in his eyes rather than the vacant stare you have now. Look into black and white photo portraits of famous men, and pay attention to the personality that's emphasized. Stay clear of male models.

>>1922606
>Basically it looks like a girl in man makeup
thats exactly what i thought
been drawing too many girls lately
thanks for the feedback anon

Having fun painting, for a change.

for some reason hands are incomplete not sure if I want the chain and uzi

>>1922622
is that jerry seinfeld or data from star trek?

>>1922629
both

>>1922615
No problem. I also decided to try a paintover to make him look more manly. It's not amazing but I do think it's an improvement. Some more notes that weren't in the original critique:

-Knocked down contrast on the iris+pupil and the eyelashes. Looked too much like eyeliner. I also got rid of the specular reflection in the eye to give him a more serious look. I tend to see that highlight emphasized in cutesy or feminine faces more so than masculine faces, but I could be wrong.

-Flattened the eyebrows that. Eyebrows with a high arch and a significant taper tend to look groomed and feminine. Thick, flat and a little natural messiness looks more rugged.

-Widened the chin a bit. The widening of the jaw was accomplished mostly by introducing some light there instead of having it being in shadow. With the direction of the light source it reads like a wider jaw without adjusting the contour much at all.

-Added more prominent adam's apple and neck musculature. I also tried to make the ear a little more angular instead of having that very curvy contour.

>>1922633
Woah dude let me see more of you

>>1922619
Looks like a tranny or a drag queen

Drawing something erry day now. Trying to get & maintain a steady output of things, without putting too much time in each.
>/ic/s prescription
Heres some sort of Emma study.

>>1922706
Hair is nice but looks overall boring and sterile as fuck
Study more interesting things and use different colours. Play more with skin colors, reds and blues and stuff

>>1922706
Agreed with anon >>1922710

Your proportions are pretty spot on. You do need to pay closer attention to your values and colors. In particular, you shouldn't be afraid of venturing into the deep grays, and even grayed out colors that don't seem logical (gray purples, blues, or greens in skin). It helps the traditionally "fleshy" colors pop more.

Look for subtle hue changes, there are parts of the hair and the dress that could use blue glazes at the very least. Try to keep the temperature of your light source in mind, and push the shadows towards the opposite (warm light cool shadows, or vice versa). It's not a hard and fast rule, but it works a lot of the time unless there's very complex lighting in the surrounding environment.

Lastly, be more mindful of your edges. A lot of your contours are too uniform and crisp, while your interior shapes have too soft gradients for the most part. Try experimenting with brush settings to find something that gives you freer edge control through opacity. Try to zoom out for most of your painting, and don't get lost in getting crisp details or edges - those are secondary to establishing all of your big shapes correctly. You should aim to paint your ref as you see it though slight squinting instead of focusing on crisp detail work (works better when painting from life).

I found your ref and did a super quick and dirty paintover that hopefully conveys some of these points.

>>1922725
Nice. May i ask what brush are you using?

The original background i made looks like crap, any ideas how to make it look good?

>>1922731
It's a Jaime Jones brush. It's the tall fat textured rectangle - the starting size was 93 in his brush pack. Pen pressure set to control only opacity, and starting flow and opacity at 100.

There might have also been a little bit of the smudge tool on low strength, a chalky brush tip, with angle jitter on max and some scattering. I use that to quickly soften some edges while keeping a bit of texture.

>>1922737
Her nose is hideous but the rest is bretty cool

>>1922737
The base has issues with the fundamentals that won't really get fixed through polish. After establishing your gesture, try to construct the figure out of boxes and cylinders - include the ground plane and horizon. If you have difficulty with that, then read up on your perspective and practice drawing basic forms from different angles and lighting from life and imagination.

With the base construction of the figure in place, it becomes easier to determine which planes should be lit and which should be in shadow depending on where place your light source(s).

>The original background i made looks like crap
Consider doing a dozen or so small thumbnails taking both the figure and background into account. You can read up more on thumbnailing here:
http://pastebin.com/fZM8NdBr

>>1922741
hmm, this blog seems quite helpfull on the topic, thank you

>>1922737
tutoring a girl at the moment. You are at the advance pillow shading stage. Not actual lighting.
you need to pick if you want two light sources or just the one
I know the feeling is that you lose awesome detail!!!! but... Form and depth will always be more important. Here is my 30 second tweak

>>1922739
Oh nice. Is the chalky smudge brush from the same pack? I always have to deal with textureless blending
Thanks for the detalled response btw!

Done now. Shading is kinda funky but it will be better when it is inked. Although I don't know when I will have time to ink it.

>>1922756
original idea was to have a soft light from upper-right and from the hand ofc, but as i always say, if the picture does not show itself it's wrong,

I see what you mean by the shading, your 30sec rough shading works better, clearly.

Advanced pillow shading. please explain so i know where to start

>>1922767
Well with your initial picture you shading is pretty darn good but you don't consider how an object will cast a shadow beyond itself. Like how the top of the leg will prevent light reaching some of the bottom of the leg. It's like everything's correctly lit if taken independently. Really try to imagine where the light won't reach and just block that in as one shade.,

>>1922757
I got that chalky brush so many years ago that I forgot where it came from. Looking at my newer brush packs, it does match the tip shape of a Ruan Jia brush (angled skewed rectangle with heavy texture, size 50). You'd have to possibly increase the spacing, max out angle jitter, and add a small amount of scattering to get it close to what I'm using.

Any brush tip that has a lot of texture throughout and an uneven, jagged contour would do the job. Once you select it with the smudge tool, make the above adjustments and turn down the strength (I have mine on 22). I also have strength jitter control and size jitter control set to pen pressure so that it isn't always at full blast. When you get the settings right it will quickly and efficiently soften an edge while maintaining a bit of grit.

>>1922771
>>1922767
quicky

So last thread or so someone had said my work flow was too repetitive or something like that? So I tried something different on this sketch. I mean I tried something different on the Link one and that didn't work out anyway so I'm just messing around with things. If I could get feedback I'd really appreciate it. I'm trying to work on color so that's probably something that needs a lot of help. And anything else. Thanks guys.

>>1922892
You seem to consistently make skin too saturated, uniform and orange. You need to introduce some hue and saturation variety. There are often a lot of subtle grays that help make skin pop given the right lighting conditions. For starters, try to think about the temperature of your light source - if it's warm make the lit areas warmer than the shadows, and if it's cool make the lit areas cooler than the shadows.

Your values also don't properly convey a light source direction or accurate forms - the forehead being the most obvious problem area.

My advice is to paint a few self portraits from a mirror. Keep the room dark except for a lamp pointed at your face at an angle. You just need more practice painting colors from life, but the experience will help you in many more ways than just color.

>>1922897
Alright, thanks.

>>1922892
Im one of the anons that adviced you yesterday. I told you about the issue with you painting skintones with awful orangey colors.
Pls stop. It looks like crap and his head looks like a bagel with that darker área in the center.
Also Jon is better.

>>1922454
Showing your work is the first step in the process of improving. Really.

>>1922355
It's way too messy, bud. I see what you're trying to do but it isn't aesthetically appealing. Try doing finer lines.

just fuckin around

>>1922619
>>1922640
Any better?

>>1922935
I think you need to break down her nose and show more form, right now it seems like her nose and forehead are fused in a straight plane. there should be a plane in the upper part of the nose that goes downward and makes the transition between the nose and the forehead more obvious, yours is lacking that plane.

Consider revising her eyebrows to make them more appealing.

Just resumed this study, since I finally found her head

>>1922935
I think you need to break down her nose and show more form, right now it seems like her nose and forehead are fused in a straight plane. there should be a plane in the upper part of the nose that goes downward and makes the transition between the nose and the forehead more obvious, yours is lacking that plane.

Consider revising her eyebrows to make them more appealing.

Just resumed this study, since I finally found her head

Need a critique on the colors

>>1922953
Here's a suggestion, but I think it's also fine like it's now.

I think I know what I did wrong, but im going off of 4 hours of sleep total for the last two days.
Check bones, can I get a redline or something?

>>1922959
Oh god, I forgot to upload it.
Take me away sandman

Also *cheek bones*

>>1922934
2sick4me

>>1920804

More expression, fixed leg, new hair and generic schoolgirl clothes because I have shit taste.

>>1922935
fundies

>>1922996

Could use a thinner face but it's better than before now.

I'm obsessed with lions and tigers and cats.. :/

>>1923012
Go back to fundamentals, hema.

>>1923012
druids and maybe bears. I think i have a problem. It's all I draw.

>>1922973

Adjusted her expression a bit.

Still working on this, not exactly sure on what to do for the background, I sketched out one that I thought looked okay but I want it be more christmas-ee, but maybe in a more traditional sense. Christmas is a pagan thing isn't it? Maybe something more to the holidays roots.

Advice on background plz also that thing isn't suppose to be a candy cane, it's gonna be a hanging lantern.

My first time drawing with oil pastels

A collage made out of my old paintings

>>1922996
I think I prefer yours.

>>1921961
>fixed it for you

study

>>1923067

Abit of (p)imp study

>>1922961
I see it now.
I had to go to sleep to look at my mistakes

>>1922633
Thanks a lot anon! highly appreciated
im trying to apply everything

>>1923281
Anon who think that she looks like a drag queen reporting.
Your coloring is lovely. Pls lower her eyebrows and maybe make a little bit thinner lips so you can make her more femenine
Keep it up, it looks better

>>1923332
Btw by lowering the eyebrows i mean make them more straight or make the arch less high.
A bit of thickness would be nice as well

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>>1923343
>>1923343
>>1923343

>>1923019
This is a compositional mess. Make 14 small rough thumbnails using basic shapes and get back here to show us.

>>1923019
If you're gonna use perspective, you better learn it.

>>1921649
Keep 'em going, man! Those are all magnificent! Would like to see your site if you have one!

>>1921961
Sorry, I just got carried away.
Use more value, that's my advice. Saturate/darken colors more at focal points.

>>1920843
Looks like the major from GitS with hooves. still like it

>>1923282
You have fallen deep into the trap of symbols. No likeness, weak proportions.

My camera quality is awful, but it's all I got for now. Not sure where to go with this drawing, I feel like I could do more with it but I also think adding anymore would just add clutter and make it too complex to look at.

I drew this for a relative as a Christmas gift. She likes frogs so I though why no?

Anything evidently wrong with it?

>>1925576
Yes, it's missing its christmas hat!

Something I did 10 minutes ago.

oh fuck these are good xD any tips? i have a fair bit of spare time sooo i need something to do xD