/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Samantha Mash

>>1923055

artemisia gentileschi

>>1923055

there isn't really any good female artist.
They usually gain technical skill, but when it comes to originality and expression they fail.

What i wrote is obviously not the exact reason but fact is, there are VERY FEW females wgo can draw and paint well.
They just can't do it.

>>1923068
Sexist

Yuka Nakajima

>>1923068
guaranteed replies

>>1923069

no need to be mad.
That's how it is, deal with it.
Just like females are on average better than males on some other things.

>>1923069

Make a research on how many females work or were working for Blizzard, Wizards, Applibot or any other high company as illustrators.
There were few, but very, very few.

>>1923055

>Post good women artists- pic related, Akino Kondoh
>good women artists
>good
>adds picture of bad stylized art

and so are >>1923057 and >>1923070

what makes you believe that womens are good artists when there is maybe 1% of them from master-painters period?

Hikari Shimoda

>>1923075
The deal isn't about gender. Most females could be just not interested in it.

Ume Aoki.
She's too good.

>Making a thread about "good" gender-specific artist
>Posts generic stylized garbage
>Guaranteed replies

>>1923055
>>1923057
>>1923070
>>1923078
>>1923082

now i see what you meant with "good", OP.
I asume you are a girl, trying to pet herself with this shitty anime garbage that females are good at drawing too.
Sorry.

>>1923083
>stylized garbage

does not apply here. stylized yes, garbage... hardly eh.

>>1923086
>>1923077
>>1923068
Go back to /pol/
oh wait
It's killed by moot now

now fuck off
you sexist pigs aren't welcome on this website

I fucking hate gamergate sexist kids.

>>1923093

>mad female realizing she is not gonna make it

>>1923068
I'm not going to argue there are good female artists since you're already set on this view and exanples would probably be dismissed.
Instead, consider wether there is any worth at all in judging a group of people and the art they make. There are males who do art and there isnt a single broad stroke that unites them. They all have different experiences and inspirations that have led them to where they are. Many bad, some good. So consider then that there isn't enough valid research to support that women are that different from men. We experience different social standards, and are drawn to different media because of demographics, which influences us throughout life. This leads to there being two different social cultures, man culture and the seemingly foreign woman culture.
Since there are not as many female professionals, there would statistically be less good ones than male ones.

Janaschi

>>1923094
>>1923095

another one

why don't you try to argue with PROVE -> show me good female artists

>>1923097

finally, someone shows decent one

females don't have talent nor will for drawing

Tracy

>>1923055

https://www.google.si/search?q=Akino+Kondoh&biw=1920&bih=1063&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=v9uWVIjvNMH0UuDngPgF&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

you call that good?

You're not gonna make it

>good artist
Yang Qi

>good artist

Yu Dehong

>good artist

Alex Konstad

>good artist

Craig Mullins

>good artist

Ken Liu

>good artist

Michal Ivan

>good artist

Yohann

Reminder: Shitposting on /ic/ is bannable.

>good artist

Justin

>>1923120

>implying showing what good artist is = shitposting

>good artist

Ruan Jia

>good artist

Kekai

>good artist

Leo Lee

>good artist

Jaime

>ITT fantasy and dragons

sucking the same /ic/ idol dicks is getting boring, you forgot to post jaime jones too.

>good artist

Maciej

>good artist

Ross - not perfect but far better than shit you posted

>good artist

Flaptraps

>good artist

Gino

>good artist

Sergey

>good artist

Victor

>good artist

Daniel

>good artist

Bumskee

Thread is ruined.

>>1923126
Good artist is subjective and the current post spam is unrelated to the thread

>good artist

Alex M

>good artist

Borkur

>good artist

Adams

loish

>good artist

Chris

OP should just make a new thread.

>good artist

Cliff

>good artist

James

I want Tumblr to leave.

>good artist

Ian

>good artist

McCaig

>good artist

Fowkes

>>1923154
>We are not mysogynistic!
>Shits up anything related to the female gender

/pol/ is just as bad as tumblr, how can two sides hate eachother so much and still be the same thing

>good artist

Mancini

>good artist

Jung

>good artist

Jouey

>good artist

Zhu

Mingzu Yang.

>>1923161
ugh, bad taste

>good artist

Whit

>good artist

Ville

>>1923166
i'm not his fan eather, i'm just showing the ones that you can't deny they are good no matter if you like theem or not

>good artist

Tyler

>good artist

Tom

>good artist

Tinfoil

>good artist

Thom

>good artist

Thomas

>good artist

Theo

>good artist

Sparth

>good artist

Cop

>good artist

Pete

>good artist

Pao

>good artist

Marco

I've listed few of them.
Now if you want to prove me wrong, argue with work of good female artists.

>>1923186
it'll be a waste of time to try to argue someone who has already closed his mind.

>>1923160
Why should the artist's gender even matter at all? This is literally the equivalent of the infamous "btw I'm a girl" meme. There's a reason that meme exists.

>>1923186
What you consider to be 'good art' is kind of narrow and subjective.

>>1923193

Those artist work for companies that >>1923055
>>1923057
>>1923070
>>1923078
>>1923082
>>1923107

never will.
So it's not what >I< consider to be good art but there are some standards.
Don't need to be mad at me because you are girl and not gonna make it

>>1923186
You've already ruined the thread, there's no point.

>>1923195
The only reason anyone's mad at you is because you shit up a thread that could have been interesting.

>>1923195
must be hard being blind

>>1923195
>there are some standards.
No, your personal standard is that a person who works in a video game company doing concept art is a 'great artist'. It has nothing to do with skill whatsoever.

>>1923197

there is no point because you don't have a material to argue with

>>1923200
i have show you one of the best artist in industry. I bet you haven't heard for at least half of them and i bet you love their work and you will search for them. So don't play like you don't give a fuck. You have opened every image that i posted and save at least half of them.
Of course you will deny that.
Just like you will deny that you are one of those who just quietly lurk on 4chan for good material (no matter if inspiration or .pdf) but never give anything back, even if you have anything to share.

>>1923195
>They don't do concept work like my heroes
>So they're not real artists

Why did such an innocuous thread needed to be shitted up.

>>1923165
>>1923148
>>1923125
>>1923097
>Now argue with work that I must approve of

Apparently some anon(s) tried before you had an aneurysm.

and the only thing wrong with >>1923055
>>1923057

Is they don't fit you arbitrary taste, they probably draw just as well as any industry dick you're sucking, and far better than you.

>>1923197
>>1923200
>>1923202
>>1923203


stop samefagging

This thread is a mess

>>1923203

>working for comapnies like Sony, Blizzard, Wizards, Applibot, Disney, Marvel has nothing to do with skill

you see, you are not just a girl. You are also retarded.
Good luck with working at Walmart

thanks jani

you missed one though
>>1923184

>>1923203
pretty much this. where are the old masters? where are rubens and rembrandt?

>>1923211

>implying Rubens and Rembrandt are girls

>>1923211
>>1923213
sorry, this was supposed to be a answer to his "standards of good art" (only concept art)

>>1923216
oh wow, she has some great art, thanks for posting!

Thanks, mod.
Posting female artist once again.

>entire discussion deleted
What's next, are they going to ban Christian Renaissance art because it's "too /pol/-related"?

>>1923086
Small men hiding behind great men are pathetic as fuck. You are no Repin and I highly doubt you will ever be even close to as good as most of the women that were posted ITT.

>>1923227
stay mad babby :^)

Zephyri

Zinaida Yevgenyevna Serebriakova

>>1923235
I never realized the author was female. I love her style.

>>1923055
>women
>good at anything

Magdalena Radziej

>>1923263
What the fuck is happening with that trigger?

>>1923253
evidently they are better at art than you

>good artists
>women

pick one

Amelie Hutt

[jealousy intensifies]

>>1923082
looks like shit. I've seen a lot of anime and those octogon heads have always looked completely two dimensional to me.

>tfw no Artist wife to teach you and love you and critique you and paint with you.

Forever alone.

jl
started gettin gud in the past couple years.

Caroline Rannersberger

Saskia Gutekunst

>>1923448

Carol Marine

>>1923451
Those are some damn sexy brushstrokes.

>>1923456
pretty standard for traditional.

>>1923456
I know right?

Charlie Bowater

>>1923275
Daaamn son, Laurel D. Austin is the best thing that happened to Blizzard since Blizzard. That rendering....

>>1923448
>>1923450
Is her pseudonym fucking Saskia Goodart? Goodart tho

>>1923481
I'm pretty sure it's just an unfortunate surname.

Klara Kristalova

Ayami Kojima

Maria Menshikova

>>1923611

Elena and Olivia Caballos.
They're more aimed at animation and its concept art right now, so most of their stuff is rather sketchy.

Joy Ang.

all that crappy stylized shit.

2 or 3 of them are good, rest if worthless

Veronique Meignaud, lots of trippy stuff.

>>1923631

>>1923625

>m-muh realisms

>>1923625
>implying style isn't an inherent part of art
Don't you have some fundamentals to study, anon?

>>1923638
>>1923639

don't look for excuses

>>1923643

The only excuse I'm seeing is your first post.

>t-these girls are worse than me! my crappily done realism is better! i-im not a bad artist!

>>1923648

mad again, woman?

>>1923643
What excuses? I think they accurately identified you as a noob who still needs to study more Loomis before he can understand and appreciate stylized work. We all went through that phase when we first started out, keep at it, you can do it too.

>>1923653
If you'd channel all of your permavirgin frustration into art, maybe you wouldn't feel so insecure and inferior whenever you see art by women who are better than you.

>>1923659

takes one to know one, right? ;)
If you would be as smart and good at drawing as you think you are, you wouldn't samefag and argue on 4chan

>>1923664
The only reason I'm arguing is because you can't stay away from this thread. Your insecurity keeps dragging you back so you can make yet another "lel women! AMIRITE?" post, only to get blown the fuck out over and over again.

>>1923668

so mad

>>1923638
>>1923639
>>1923648
>>1923656
>>1923668

Pick ANY image from this thread and we will both draw it (just line work, no coloring or value rendering, no tracing)
we will see if you are really as good as you think you are and if i am really as bad as you say i am.
If you will use any excuse for not doing this, you will prove how "good" you are.

>>1923668
Just leave him be, he's either trolling or retarded. Either way doesn't matter.

>>1923681
>>1923682
Never mind I take it back, I want to see how this plays out.

>>1923681
>>1923688
What will it be, merc_wip or orson the chicken?

>>1923625
i agree, but i don't mind. women are notorious for putting style over substance, because "muh feelings!"

>>1923693

Well i asked you to pick one from this thread (any one that was posted before i gave you challenge) but let it be your way.
again, just drawing. No blocking-in, shading, coloring,..

Deadline is 12h from now.

>>1923703
You do realize there's more than one person posting in this thread and replying to you, right?

>>1923681

>observational drawing as a measure of an artist's skill.

Ahahaha oh man you really are one of those muh realisms faggots. Go back to your shitty photostudies mate.

The arguement was never we were better than you, it was about your attitude being shit, and your post only proves it further.

>>1923703
Take your dick-waving bullshit somewhere else you asshat.

That goes for the rest of you too, stop responding to him.

>>1923722


You see, excuses.
and yes, observation is no.1 you have to gain as an artist. You don't copy it, it will show with your forms if you u derstand what is under that style.
you see how even more you got when i gave you a challenge where YOU can choose image?

And doing observational study is the only logical way to see which one of us understand form in space better (not directly copy).

I guarantee you that you don't have one third of knowledge and skill i have.
if you disagree, don't ve pussy and do the challenge.
otherwise stop pretending on annonimous board how good you are and how bad others are.

And prove that women is better than man in this case.

Thread wasn't cleaned up to continue derailing it guys. Report shitposting, don't respond to it.

>good thread becomes sexism war and merc_wip shitposting

Postmodern internet society sucks

>>1923448

These pieces are beautiful. Man, I don't think I'll ever be this good. I get so impatient and worn out trying to render realistically. But man I sure love looking at this sort of stuff. It still inspires me, even if I don't work in the same kind of realistic way.

>>1923757

>calling a challenge shitposting

now tell me dear mod, are you a faggot or femanon?

Do you even draw?

Jani Jani..


you are disapointing

Supposedly recorded as the first woman ever allowed to sell her work under her own name.

>>1923768

They were all as shitty as you at some point. Keep going.

>>1923097
>>1923125
>>1923216
>>1923244
>>1923393
>>1923406
>>1923510
>>1923554
>>1923656
>>1923659
lovin this thread

what the fuck happened? we went from "no girls on the internet" to girls ruling over the entire fucking universe.

>>1923784
Web 2.0 casualized the entire internet. This brought along a shitload of people, both male and female.

I have a friend who's going to The Russian Academy of Art. I wish she would post more of her final works.

>>1923784
it's 2k14 mayne, funny /b/ maymays is so 2006

>>1923789
this is great

>>1923789
>>1923791
Another sketch. Sorry for the shitty quality. Grabbing these off her instagram.

>>1923794
I wish people would stop calling everything a sketch

Pillsbury from the Pillsbury dough boy in middle school. Later evolved into just Pills.

>>1923233
the best

>>1923795
I've seen Vilppu lay down a whole figure like that and call it a sketch

Her traditional stuff is grand as shit. Not too shabby digital-wise either.

>>1924138
That's awful.

There's more important elements to a drawing beyond good rendering, like not making something totally lame.

>>1924144
>add dragons please

>>1924144
>that's not a busty babe, so it's lame

>>1924144
>I can't fap to it so it's bad
Now if you excuse me, I'm going to masturbate.

Cecilia Giménez

This is a disgusting feminist thread. There is no need for this, gender is irrelevant.

>>1924144
>>1924145
>>1924149
>>1924150
I think the dumbest part is she didnt even show the dick. What a stupid cunt, women cant do anything right besides fuck

>>1924168
Tumblr or whatever female-dominated social network website took over, so it's too late to save /ic/ from feminism.

>>1923055

>>1924177

>>1924177
miss van
>>1924178
audrey kawasaki

and pic related is Ayami Kojima

>>1924168
That's funny, because if this was a male artist-only thread you'd probably wouldn't say anything.

This artist was 17-18 at the time when she made this, also.

>>1924170
>wanting to see the dick opposed to being tastefully teased
Pleb.

Leave some to the imagination.

>>1924182
>male artist-only thread
I don't think I've ever seen a thread on /ic/ where female artists were not to be posted

>>1924172
someone get /pol/ in here.

>>1924188
You're kind of slow, aren't you?

>>1924194
/pol/ is kill anon.
They warned you, you could have stopped it.
But you shooed them away.

Now its too late.

>>1924194
Moot is a faggot and the /pol/acks that uphold good moral modest Christian values have begun their exodus towards the realm of Hotwheels.

We're doomed.

>>1924196
/pol/ is in your heart anon it's in everyone, we should put our hopes in our fellow crossborders.

>>1924182
I would have an issue with that too, but I haven't seen a male only thread on here for years. Gender hasn't really been relevant in any way until you tumblr femenazis turned up and turned this trivial non-issue into a talking point stirring shit up.

>>1924199
Goodnight sweet prince. Long live /pol/

>>1924202
>>1924199
>>1924172
>>1924168

http://youtu.be/HQEutPGTzCs

Oh damn did that just happen? Careful guys, some mod is on a power trip.

>>1923460
Jelly detected.

90% of these ladies are really beautiful irl

>>1923275
But they're not better than me at shitposting
check and fucking m8 buddy

>>1923784
Are you serious?

>>1923795
What would you call it besides a sketch?

>>1924177
Huh, the place my sister works at has a framed print of that one.

Not much of her stuff is online but Nell Brinkley was great.

Let's not forget female artist that work in comics or animation.

Rebecca Sugar, created Steven Universe, worked as storyboard artist (and made songs) for Adventure Time, drew some fantastic comics. Check either Pug Davis or her Simpson comic.

>>1925076
Makani drew some of the TF2 comics.

>>1925077
Tove Jansson is famous for the Moomin comics and books, she also wrote adult books and illustrated for the Hobbit and Alice in Wonderland

>>1925079
Okay, Rumiko Takahashi isn't visually all that impressive, but she has perfect comedic timing in Ranma (and she did Mermaid Saga which is also pretty worthwhile)

>>1923445
faaaaak nice

Alyssa Monks

lots of ladies in fashion illustration

>>1925206

laura knight

>>1923055
>women artists
>non-white artists
>poor artists
>first world white male artists

this thread's premise is pure retardness

>>1925232
It's clear some people think women aren't really capable of doing art as well as men, so it's natural some would be curious. If you really still don't get why someone might want to browse through a thread like this I'm not going to hold your hand and explain it to you.

>>1925234

>It's clear some people think women aren't really capable of doing art as well as men

there are a lot of female artists who's work I love, but it's hard to argue the fact that there are a lot more really skilled male artists than female, and the very best artists are practically always all male.

not politically correct, but true. probably has to do with the fact that men are more driven to achieve than women, because a man has to achieve to be sexually relevant, while a woman only needs to have a functional uterus.

>>1925265
>it's hard to argue the fact that there are a lot more really skilled male artists than female
today? I doubt it, the field is pretty even. throughout all of art history? of course, due primarily to social factors.
> the very best artists are practically always all male.
again, historically this is generally true due to the sheer volume of male artists on the scene and the opportunities in gilds/apprenticeships/social acceptance. but in contemporary art? hardly inarguable.

I have a feeling this thread was made just for you.

>>1925265
>while a woman only needs to have a functional uterus
Women aren't encouraged to achieve because men only SEE them as a functional uterus. They don't step back and think "huh, I'm human, and I like to do things. Women are essentially human too. Maybe they would like to do things? Maybe they want to create things for themselves? Maybe they find learning a craft to be interesting and a fulfulling challenge?" Because clearly every woman will eventually find a man she can undoubtedly rely completely and utterly on, so she'd never need a career or job of her own. It seems like an odd choice though because it doesn't feed into her being "sexually relevant" which is obviously all women care about, because they need that man to support them. If there are more successful or skilled male artists, which is arguable, I'd say it's because women hear too much about what they "don't need" to do.

I hate threads like this because everytime I read them and find new artist to like, I also see how many people are outthere in almost 2015 who think woman are worth less than a man.

>>1925277

That's kind of demeaning to women and a cop out. If someone elses opinion is all it takes to stop you pursuing the thing you love it's highly unlikely you were ever going to succeed in that field anyway.

>>1925265
>men are more driven to achieve than women
This is true, but you're also forgetting men's superior visual-spatial intelligence, which has an impact one a person's ability to draw and see. It might be part of the reason why so many female artists rely on color and design, while men tend to be more technically skilled. I also can't help but notice that the vast majority of art in this thread consists of generic fantasy portraits, though that might just be a result of the person posting these pictures.

>>1925271
Check your facts, woman.
Women make up roughly have of all visual artists in the modern world, but all of the top 100 art auction sales in 2012 were by men.

>>1925283
Believe me, it is demeaning to constantly be told "girls don't draw" and "you're pretty good, for a girl" and "you'll never get a boyfriend doing that". It's not just one person's opinion, the pressure comes from a lot of sources, and growing up with that, it's hard to suddenly step outside of it and realize you can make your own decisions and be what you want, not what people expect. But it's kind of moot, because obviously more and more women are pursuing what they want to do, regardless of whatever encouragement they may or may not get.

>>1925280
Don't be an idiot. You people tend to interpret everything the wrong way.
What people are saying is that men and women are different on so many levels that it's natural that men and women have varying interests and varying skills. A lot of women and easily offended people interpret this as women being less worth than men, when there is basically no connection between the two.

However, when people keep harping on the idea that women are always equal or better than men at everything, or the social pressure is the reason for women making different choices than men, you create a deep resentment in people, which is the real cause of misogyny in society. There's not a fucking gender war going on, but you people are pushing so hard for this that it's ridiculous. Differences between men and women are natural, and not a result of environmental factors or societal pressure.

>>1925289
Well, congratulations on perpetuating lies and slandering men, thus creating more resentment towards women, and making more women believe in the bullshit victimization you're pushing.

>>1925271
>>1925277
>>1925280

all these butthurt feminists. No one is saying that women can't be artists or that women are worth less than men. Stop hyperventilating.


>today? I doubt it, the field is pretty even.

lol. get real. This isn't a gender studies class where that crap is gonna fly. Everyone here knows that there are more male professionals in the industry, and that the top talent is almost exclusively men. All the mental gymnastics in the world aren't going to change that.

I love how even pointing this numerical fact out sends you dipshits into a rage and kicks off the accusations of "it's 2015 and people still think women are worthless!!!" Get a grip.

I love Sakizou

>technical skill is better than color and design skills

>>1925289
>Believe me, it is demeaning to constantly be told "girls don't draw" and "you're pretty good, for a girl" and "you'll never get a boyfriend doing that".

I don't believe for a second that you're "constantly" getting told that.

>But it's kind of moot, because obviously more and more women are pursuing what they want to do, regardless of whatever encouragement they may or may not get.

So brave. Such heroism.

>>1925289
not worth telling 4chan this

>>1925298
Yeah, that was totally what I said.

Moron.

>>1925293
>durr everyone knows, so I don't have to back up my claims.
the world of fine art has a ton of successful female artists, even at the highest echelons.

>>1925302
>this
>fine
>art
haha, show me the female caravaggio or shut your stupid trap wench
oh wait, no such thing exists, 50 years of "liberation" weren't enough to produce a SINGLE female artist of that caliber

>>1925299
I've talked to so many women who say this shit is bullshit, and that they've never heard this.

In fact, it's the polar opposite. While men are left to fend for themselves, women have programs and campaigns that tell them how fantastic they are, and that they can be whatever they want. This is particularly true for STEM fields. This isn't new either. It's been like this for decades.

>>1925300
Yeah, because we're not living in the 40s, and her insane delusions aren't going to change that.

>>1925292
Nothing I said was a lie, it's all taken from my personal experience, and I didn't say all of that discouragement was coming from men, I said it comes from a lot of sources. It's not a matter of making women out to be victims either, because that would imply that I agree with anyone who lets discouragement stop them, and I don't. But it's only by acknowledging some of the obstacles women face, not just in pursuing a career in art but in any aspect of life, that we can help them see that they AREN'T bound by anyone's will but their own. Someone pointed out women and men are naturally different and that's true, and just as there are some problems specific to men, so there are for women, and it's good to discuss them to find ways to get past them.
>>1925299
Not anymore but it used to be constant, until I started making money. And nobody said anything about bravery, I'm just saying it's a good thing that women are following their passion without worrying about other people's opinions. It's not bravery, it's aloofness.

>>1925298

Technical skill a lot more difficult to develop. Mastering color and design is primarily a matter of understanding and applying a set of principles. Technical skills like drawing require a lot more grinding and deep understanding of a subject.

Lots of female artists are great draftsmen, though. It's not true to say that women can't into technical skill. Still... there does seem to be a trend of female artists tending toward pretty, colorful subjects like portraiture and costume design. I don't think I've ever seen a female concept artist who specialized in hard-surface, perspective-heavy, industrial design stuff.

>>1925302
>the world of fine art has a ton of successful female artists, even at the highest echelons.

That's not saying much.

>>1925303
I don't think you understand how gender roles functioned in European society during the Baroque era. Here you go anyway.

>>1925308
fuck, I forgot she exists and now I look like a fool

>>1925280
God this is such the truth. whenever I see a thread like this I feel like I'm being warped back in time.

>>1925307
No, it isn't saying much for either gender, but the fact remains.

>>1925305
So where exactly do you live where you've been told this? The middle east? Did you invent a time machine and travel 60 years into the future?
You're so full of shit, it's not even funny.

And maybe women shouldn't follow their passion. That's why they fucking suck at life, and get useless degrees. Maybe they should grow a backbone and get a STEM education, instead of going for a women's studies degree and complaining there aren't enough women in STEM fields.

>>1925312
do you get all your information about woman on the internet

>>1925304

>In fact, it's the polar opposite.

That's been true in my experience, too. I went to art school, and, as anyone who has been to (any) art school can attest, the student body is overwhelmingly female.

If anything, I was viewed as a loser for going into such a female-centric course of study (I'm male, ofc).

Very few of my classmates went on to work professionally as artists, though. I was one of the only ones in my graduating year to make a career of art... and most of the others were male, too.

>>1925310
What does it feel like going through life hating everything and blaming everyone else?

>>1925310
case in point:
>>1925312

I live in the Deep South and can say with total certainty that 4chan is way more backwards in their beliefs.

>>1925315
Must be the feel an avarange 4chan user experiences every day.

>>1925313
When it comes to education and employment, I get my information from statistics. You know, facts rather than emotional outbursts or ideology.

It's amazing how often this thread keeps getting derailed by users who think there's some sort of political propaganda behind it.
So let's say that, hypothetically, women indeed are less adequate artists. Then this thread would make a perfect opportunity to find and share those rare female professionals.

tl;dr go shitpost somewhere eles

>>1925315
I just wanted to look at art

>>1925316
So you claim I'm a misogynist because I think women should be responsible for their own actions, or because I don't agree with the blatant lies that women are somehow oppressed in modern society?

The ignorance, blaming and hatred you're spewing is the primary reason people are losing respect for women.

>>1925318
not that anon but it seems like most women go for health professions.

but this thread is getting derailed.

>>1925322
>I don't agree with the blatant lies that women are somehow oppressed in modern society

holy fuck do you ever leave your basement

>>1925322
it was more the
>the fucking suck at life
phrase that struck me as misogynistic. I understand if you're too dense to see this perspective.

>>1925324
Yes. If you look at the top four, you'll notice that they're all fields that focus on working with people.

The two fields that are completely dominated by men, rely on math, logic and mechanical skills.
You'll also notice that the curves mostly even out shortly after the year 2000, indicating that we've hit an equilibrium, and that people are choosing the education they want to pursue.

>>1925332
Yes. Every woman I've ever talked to who wasn't an insane feminist agrees with this.

I have to wonder how batshit insane you are to be the most privileged group of people on earth, and actually feel persecuted.

>>1925312
Women shouldn't pursue their passion? That's why women fucking suck at life? Yeah, you never see men discouraging women like that. Alright, never mind.
Since this is messing up the thread, I'll just leave this by saying again I think it's good that women are pursuing and creating successful art careers, whatever they may or may not face to do so.

>>1925333
They do.
Women have more sickdays than men. They have less overtime than men. They choose a handful of careers and complain that there aren't more women in the careers they didn't choose. It's just whining on top of whining, despite having so many advantages over every other group in society.

nobody said women are less worth than man. Nobody disrespect womens. We love girls.
You just aren't good at drawing, deal with it.

There is a lot more male artists when it comes to drawing, painting, arhitecture, design and scuplure and they are much better than women.
More dedicated, more focused, more self-critical, with higher goals.

Of course there were, are and always will be good female artists too.
But comparing to number of male arist, there are just few.

You girls can argue and be butthurt as much as you can, but facts are FACTS.

http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/old-masters.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Master

you can search for "best master painters", "best illustrators", "digital illustrators",..
If there will be list of 100 artists (for example) only 10 of them will be female.

read this:
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/the-womens-blog-with-jane-martinson/2013/may/24/women-art-great-artists-men
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/news/whats-the-biggest-problem-with-women-artists-none-of-them-can-actually-paint-says-georg-baselitz-8484019.html

>>1925339
>Women shouldn't pursue their passion? That's why women fucking suck at life?

Are you this dense? Feminists complain that there aren't enough women in certain fields, when it's their own choice not to pursue these fields, because they want to "chase their dreams".
They've actually done studies on this, which shows that men have a much greater tendency to pursue a career they don't necessarily like, but that will give them a higher salary and influence. Women value a comfortable career and having more free time.

It's the choice between comfort and sacrifice. If you choose comfort, you do not have the right to criticize those who chose to sacrifice their comfort for a good career, and blame them for your own mediocrity.

>>1925343
"I'm not saying women are less worth than men. No disrespect." "Men are better at creation than women" - Words written by a man with an entire monolith up his ass.

>>1925206
>annabel briens

known by few people

>dolce & gabbana

known by millions of people

>>1923209
They are partly right, part of working in house is also how easy you are to work with and how often you make deadlines.

Technical ability is great, but if you are horrible to work with and you can't make deadlines you aren't going to be working long.

Just look at Rob Liefeld.

>>1925345
Take it up with mother nature, you dumb cunt.

>>1925338
this thread is proving everything you just said wrong, so

>>1925350

>>1925351
No, it's proving everything I'm saying right. I'm citing facts. Cold hard facts, backed up by science. And what do I get in return? Angry women who refuse these facts, based on ideological bullshit.
Yes, I make some quips here and there, because it's frustrating to argue with arrogant idiots who've been told they're special snowflakes their entire lives. They seriously need to be taken down a few pegs and come live in reality, where effort and skill rule the day, and not ideology or gender.

If anyone hates women, it's feminists, because they hate and refute everything that makes women into women. If you think the ideal woman is someone who's exactly like a man, there's something very fucking wrong with your perception of gender.

>>1925345

You are so mad and butthurt it's funny. You will keep on arguing until we (males in this thread) will say: "you are just as good as females at art". But that won't change those facts that i show you, so stay mad, you ain't gonna make it at drawing ;)

And FACT that males are better at creation doesn't mean that anybody disrespect females.
It's not our fault that you suck at it.

BTW: how many scientist were/is there?

http://www.thebestschools.org/features/50-influential-scientists-world-today/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inventors

look at that list. Hundreds of inventors. And maybe only 1% of females.

If you are not retarded, you might see conection with inventing and illustration/drawing/painting/designing

>>1925354

>>1925351
the only reason you are persecuted here is because it's anonymous. in RL you are goddesses and men can't do or say anything against you and you can make fun of me and bully me all you want and i can't do anything about it, because society is structured that way and the only reason your husbands beat you is because no one else will.

>>1925351

women are very oppressed... in Saudi Arabia.

In the US or Europe or Canada or anywhere else in the western world, women are about the most privileged, protected class of people to ever exist.

YFW you realize you can't refute this.

>>1925356
>If anyone hates women, it's feminists, because they hate and refute everything that makes women into women. If you think the ideal woman is someone who's exactly like a man, there's something very fucking wrong with your perception of gender.
Thank you, jesus, that's exactly how i feel.

>>1925334
>indicating

I think we need more than 10 years of statistics to unilaterally say that women just don't want to do math.

You could just as easily explain the leveling off by the depression we just went through, and there were simply less women getting degrees because of tuition costs.

>>1925356
>Cold hard facts, backed up by science

Stop, just stop it. Damn, I wish I hadn't even pitched in myself. This thread was supposed to just be about looking at art from women. That's it. Someone came in here to disrupt that with "lol daily reminder, men are better" when it wasn't ever supposed to be about which gender is better, it's just supposed to be looking at art. Nobody is going to change anyone's minds here, so let's just go back to posting and admiring art.

>>1925356
ok buddy then why do men continue to rape women and get free passes? why do men always get the jobs over women? why is the wage gap illegal yet women still get paid less? why do people disregard women doctors who have studied for years because they are women? why are many advertisements depicting rape scenes and battery against women and getting away with it (see dolce and gabanna, calvin klein)? why do i get groped for no reason by men when i'm on the elevated railway? why do people call others sluts when they wear short shorts but men can walk around with their shirts off and nothing is said?

....why are people saying that men are better than women and art when the only thing that makes you good at art is if you practice?

>>1925364
And why do you say this? Do you believe this based on rational analysis of the given facts, or do you base this on your ideological belief, because you've been told your entire life that men and women are identical in every way?

Is there something inherently wrong with men being better or more interested in math? Is there something inherently wrong with women being more interested in working with people?

>>1925356
this 100%

the sad part of all this debate is that females turn "there is less female artist and they are much less known as male artists" to "females are less worth than males".

Just to rage

But i bet you girls don't dare to argue about that where you aren't annonimous.
Not because someone will hurt you, but because you know that males are better at art.

>>1925367
This is roughly the equivalent of you sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!".

Good job.

>>1925369
Heh, what?
None of that happens. In fact, the opposite of this tends to happen. Accuse a man or rape, and you've destroyed his life, whether it's true or not. Women have fucking quotas that get them jobs over men, and it goes so fucking far that if there aren't an equal number of men and women, women can actually sue the employer, despite being less skilled. There is no wage gap. For the same work in the same career, it's dead even. Female doctors aren't ignored. In fact, I believe there are more female GPs than there are men, though I'm not really certain about this.

Have you ever left your house, or do you get all your information from tumblr feminists?

>>1925368

THEN DON'T FUCKING OPEN THREAD LIKE THIS
"FEMALE ARTISTS"

There was NEVER "male artists" thread (maybe bause all the inspiration /ic is getting from are 99% male artists).

IF gender doesn't matter, don't open threads like this.

Ohhh btw.. next time there will be "self promotion thread", notice how many males are there comparing to females ;)

This board is at least 80% used by males

>>1925370
No. If it's true.

All I'm saying is your argument is flawed. You're putting forth supposition. The "leveling off could mean many things, you're jumping to the conclusion that women "don't like math". Hell I could take that same graph and say women getting STEM degrees have been on the rise since the 70s, which is absolutely true without having to extrapolate any meaning other than what's in the graph.

but we're really fucking off topic. Here's some JenZee.

My point was to refute the other anon (or you) that women mostly major in liberal arts.

Stfu and get back in the kitchen you dumb cunts

>>1925378
I'm not the op of this thread, but it's dumb to say you can't make a thread looking at art from a group. You can make a thread featuring Brazilian or Chilean art. Renaissance art. Any genre of art. Art from women should be no exception. It's just looking at art created by that group of people, not inherently trying to say art by that group of people is any better or worse than art by any other group of people. So many people just HAD to come in here to try to prove something, when they should have never felt threatened by what was merely supposed to be looking at art by various artists and possibly discussing their techniques.

>>1925369
Do you even know how many men had to go to jail, just because the woman who had sex or even was in orgy, accused men of rape because she didn't want to shame her parents or herself?

>>1925379
There's a ton of research that backs up my argument, but most of all it's common sense.

The idea that there's such a huge disparity between men and women in STEM fields can't be explained by societal factors. You have to remember that these arguments are primarily supported by feminists, and is not based in any kind of research. You have sociologists that back this up, but sociologists tend to be driven by ideology and interpret the data to suit their needs.
On the other hand, there is a plethora of neurological research that more or less confirms the differences between men and women, both in motivation, intelligence and various cognitive functions.

Now, the big problem with this whole discussion is that it becomes, in my eyes, ideology versus science. I actually read a lot about this, because it interests me, and because I fucking hate dishonesty and propaganda more than anything else. I don't participate in these discussion because I hate women, I do it because I hate ideological driven lies that permeate society. Scientists and Harvard professors have gotten fired and discredited over this, purely on ideological reasons.

My position is very simple: I believe in equal rights for both men and women. I believe we should be allowed to pursue whatever we want. I belive we have different strengths, but this shouldn't stop someone from pursuing their interests. However, when one group chooses differently from the other, I don't believe the other side has a right to criticize this group for having made choices that make them more successful in certain fields.

Women need to understand that most men who argue against feminists, don't do this because they hate women, but they do this because they hate the slander of men and the victimization of women. Regardless of what you believe, this is what we believe. We don't hate women, though the rhetoric, defamation, shaming and hatred that feminists use, does cause genuine resentment and misogyny.

whats the point of comming into a thrad about woman artist and saying that woman are worse at drawing than men

is this supposed to discourage woman who are into art? make you feel better?

>>1925387
That is true, in theory, but I have a strong feeling that the person who created the op is female and likely wanted to promote female art.

Of course, the problem is that women don't have any common ground aside from their gender. When you look at a style, an era or a country, you're looking at something specific.
When you choose female artists, you're only looking at the gender, and it's very likely that the only common ground these women might have is a feminist bent. You're looking at the person and not the art.

>>1925387

there is absolutely no reason why should one seperate male artists from female artists.

The only reason i find OP opened tihs thread is because she is insecure. She knows very good that that males are better at drawing. That there is tons more well known male artists and female artists.
That's why she opened this thread. In hope to get replies with tons of good females' art. Just to give her a little hope she can make it despite that she is female.

But... if this kind of thread really makes you feel better, more comfortable, then have it.

Now i know why there never was "good male artists". Because good artists are mostly males.
And she and you are looking for those few females, who can compare to them.

Reposting because I like this piece.

Jani is protecting these unsecure females again.
What a piece of shit you are ;)

>>1925403
That's not a problem, that's a benefit. Sure you're looking at art from a group of people who have one thing in common, like if you looked at Renaissance art for example, but then you analyze the individual styles and techniques. The differences within the group are the benefit of looking at art from the group.
>>1925405
Nope, just looking at what women in art are doing these days and hoping to find inspiration and new techniques.

>>1925407
It's very nice, what was the artist's name again?

>>1925412
my fault, JenZee.

Pic related is Anzka, not my absolute favorite but more in line with /ic/'s taste for concept art.

>inb4 endless shitposting

>>1925415
Ah okay, yeah I just used google search. I keep forgetting it's there, heh. Thanks for the rec.

>>1925409
what happened to our freedom of speech?
what is the point in posting now? what the fuck?

Ailah

>>1925429
What the thread's point was all along - post art, look at art.
>>1925433
This is cool, did this artist work for Disney or anything? Sort of looks Disney inspired.

>>1924263
Fucking Shreked that white knight m8o

>>1923125

>>1925439
She has worked for Disney actually.

http://www.sillybeastillustration.com/

Uhlig

>>1925454

>>1923233

>>1925454
>>1925456

This whole thread I've been trying to remember the name of this artist, thanks.

I actually saw it in person at the d'Orsay, really impressive.

>>1925461

>>1925451
Oh wow, I've actually been seeing her pieces around and didn't realize it. Thanks for another good one, bookmarked. Damn it man, I hope one day I can be half as good as these artists.

>>1925467

>>1925466
be better

>>1925466
np

>>1925471
we all gonna make it

Pic related Edmonia Lewis

>>1925474
couple more because Dorothea Tanning is one of my favorites.

>>1925476
>>1925474

>>1925474
>>1925476
>>1925479

>>1925480

Augusta Savage

Allison Schulnik

>>1925491