/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Something I have heard about drawing from observation is that you should look at the subject more than you look at your drawing. But i am not sure on how exactly this works.

Do you keep drawing while you aren't looking at the paper? Or do you look, draw a little, look back up, draw a little, etc etc...?

>>1912498

overthinking

>>1912509
No actually this is something I have seen a few times. If there is no answer to this then there is no point in this ever being presented as a drawing technique. if you have never heard of doing this and don't know the answer, then there is no shame in simply stating that you do not know the answer.

Can any anon name the duties and/or skill set needed to be a layout artist in animation?

>>1912511
Yes, you keep drawing while you aren't looking at the paper.

>>1912522
So then it becomes blind contour drawing?

Is any anon here been to or are going to CCS in Detroit? Just got accepted but want to know how good you think the program is.

>>1912524
If you knew that was blind contour drawing how did you mix that up with observational drawing?

I hope you figured out the answer for yourself now.

>>1912532
If you keep drawing while you aren't looking at the paper, isn't that blind contour drawing?

HELP

What does "push your values" mean and how do I do it???

>>1912570

more controlled contrast, while making use of a wider value range

Hey guys, I'm trying to get into clay and I'm more into to just creating something, firing it, and glazing it but I've looked around and there's just so many different clays with different prices.

Thank you so much in advice for any advice.

Anon, I'm trying to paint environnement but I'm pretty bad and I don't know how to lvl up.

The hardest thing to me is "color relativity" : I don't know how to choose right color in photoshop. You know like add blue for sky reflection on a brown surface or like when your light isn't really white and you need to mix up colors.
On a character, I can deal with it but on an environnement, it's a pain in the ass.

Any tips, advices, tuto or something ?

>>1912594
We're in 2015 - 0,75, use Zbrush.

>>1912533
Still looking for a response to this.

>>1912618
yes because a lovely zbrushed vase really lights up a room when you put some fresh flowers in it

and don't get me started on that nice stew I made this weekend in my zbrush pot, it was delicious!

>>1912533
if you mean; you are looking at the object you are drawing WHILE you are drawing

then yes, that is blind drawing

then add the fact that you are focusing on contours, and you are blind contour drawing


I think blind drawing is severely underrated, especially for beginners and as a warmup for advanced artists.

When you draw without looking, you are literally telling your left brain hemisphere to stfu and let the right part take over.

In my experience, when you have other shit to do all day, it's not always that easy to get in the drawing state


so just do a page of blind drawing OR quick 30-60s sketching and you should be set to go (if you know how to draw what you see)

>>1913211
I wasn't asking about blind contour drawing.

I was talking about hearing from many sources that you should look at the subject more than you look at the paper. Thus; blind drawing.

And you are saying that all drawing should be blind drawing?

>>1913215
Not all drawing should be blind drawing but in my experience it is absolutely beneficial to keep your eyes on the subject more than on the paper

that's obviously when drawing what you SEE. That way your brain is focused on reality while you're training hand-eye coordination to be as accurate as reality

when looking at the paper after looking at life, you'll likely still tend to draw what you "know" instead of what you've seen

You look at the paper, look at the subject, draw, check what you did, look at subject, draw, check,... pretty much I guess, it comes naturally after a while


Want some advice? Do 30 second drawings and focus on what you are seeing, then try to translate this with smooth hand motion that doesn't NEED your eyes as a guide all the time


btw mix up your materials, use a pen and restrict your line use at one point, at another use pencil and allow "guessing" as long as it's building up shape coherent with what is in front of you
I like fat graphite sticks for this, gestural work gets the brain in the right state to draw and it's excellent training to learn how to draw FAST

and that's what I want, to be able to draw fast, since if you can draw fast and accurate (good hand eye coordination + speed) , you can also draw excellent detailed work if you take the time, but you don't NEED 5 minutes to get a figure down, which should be the goal of any artist (Da Vinci's words! the inventor of quicksketching people from life, should be an example to every aspiring artist imo)

Is the Intuos Pro medium a good enough size for any digital mediums, or should I just go for a large?

>>1913226
Medium is good. I heard the large takes quite a lot of space of the desk

>>1913226
>>1913229

I have a large. It's humongous. :/

What are some good daily drawing exercises?

>>1913294
Drawing is pretty good

So is drawing

>>1913294
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

>>1913294
Here's one I've been doing as part of my waking routine:

-Take photo/object and observe it for one minute
-after one minute hide it and for the next two minutes draw from memory.
-After that two minutes, go back to your reference and correct what you've drawn

It's supposed to build visual memory, so far I can see objects more clearly in my mind, though it's only been a week.

>>1913226
I have the old Intuos 4 medium. Medium is pretty good. I recommend it to anyone.

>>1913294
https://www.youtube.com/user/moatddtutorials/videos
I'd get his draftsmanship simulator too, it's pretty cool and is definitely a good way to loosen your arm. He's working on different exercises too, I think, so keep watch, but you can always do the other ones analog.

Absolute zero beginner here.
If i want, as a goal, draw a webcomic, should i just pratice with a tablet or is paper fine as well?
Can i switch from paper to tablet or are they very different ways of drawing?

What's the best drawing-learning community?
/ic/ would be the best in my opinion, but it's way too fucking slow when you actually produce a lot of drawings per day.
I guess it's because only people who know their shit reply, but still.

>>1913349
gtfo while you still can
if you're not being ironic I don't know how newfriend you must be, but this place is complete shit

find a regular spot like permanoobs and just dump your shit over there. You don't need a lot of crit when you start out since most of what you produce will look like shit, but that's the purpose when you start.

People will encourage you and that's all you need.


/ic/ is poison and you should only get out of it what you can; ref, crit on wips you're confident about, and a good laugh, that's about it

>>1912386
Alright, hes 2 things

1. Whenever i think i got something down like basic male torso anatomy, the next day ill feel like i don't ACTUALLY know anything so ill just grind some studies and do that constanly. Its endless

2. I also have noticed i have improved, im not good and i can't produce anything of REAL quality but i have improved. Is this good enough or should there be other things to be aware of/keep in mind?

>>1913355
I'm agree with that but how lvl up when you're alone ?
You can't learn everything by yourself, crits are very important to see what's wrong in your work especially when you're self-educated.

Is tablet tilt sensitivity just a gimmick or does it really make a difference?
Also, recommend me a good cheap tablet, please. My bamboo is kinda old.

How can i become better at not feeling bad because of failing?
Does it naturally come with milage?

>>1912594
Super Sculpey is a pretty versatile oven-bake clay. Depending on what you're making, you'll likely have to make an armature to support it.

>>1913215
>you should look at the subject more than you look at the paper.
It means what it implies: for the duration that you sit down to draw a subject, most of your time is spent looking at the subject than the paper. This doesn't mean your actively drawing the entire time. Look at the subject, look at the paper, make a mark, look at the subject, look at the paper, make another mark. What the advice is saying is that if it takes you 5 seconds to place a mark, you should be observing the subject for 10 seconds before committing that mark.

Take your time to truly observe what is in front of you before placing anything down. DON'T draw while not looking at your paper, as now that's a blind contour drawing instead of an observational drawing.

>>1913294
Cubes
Cylinders
Cubes
Gesture

The painting on the right is digital right? I thought as much after seeing the line art. Would program and technique would produce something like that?

Here is more of the artist's work.
http://www.kaifineart.com/2014/01/misawa-hiroshi.html

>>1913636
drugs

>>1913749
why is it hard to believe that the medium doesn't matter?

inb4 google it

i just got a wacom intuos tablet, any sources to help me learn the basics?

In which way is the bridgman's gesture method different from copying the outline of the figure?

>>1914169
When drawing in a constructive way, like Bridgman or Vilppu, you analyze and draw the forms that are there, and let the contours naturally develop. In a gesture you get a sense of movement, direction, and rhythm, but not the contour, because the forms you place on top of the gesture is what will create the contour.

That's at least my idea of it. If you have more information on the "bridgman gesture method" please provide it, because I'm unfamiliar with that concept even having looked through his books. But it's probably not too different from what I've said.

In your drawing your forms look too mushy, paying attention maybe too much to the contour. I did a drawing to maybe show how you could do it.

1.Cross contours(lines that go across the form and show the form) are pretty good for giving a sense of form to a drawing. You can see them in Bridgman's drawings but he's a lot better at it, haha.

2.I would say for now don't worry too much about the exact contour of say the lower leg, but, note the direction of it and draw a simple form, either a cylinder or a box, going in that direction. I'm suggesting that because right now your drawing looks really flat. Feel the form, the roundness, the depth of perspective. Reinforce depth with basic forms that show convergence. In a longer drawing you can go back and fidget with the contours if you want to.

>>1913636
>Does it naturally come with milage?

Yes. Those who feel bad about random shit and don't end themselves tend to eventually become these stern motherfuckers that don't give a shit if life pains them.

>>1913636
Also, people in poor countries is often happier than your average anon from the developed world.
The reason is these people do not expect to live successful or happy lives, so they tend to appreciate ordinary things and take less for granted.

More of a life question surrounding art than a technical question but, I figure here's the best place for it.

How do you manage time between shitty day job, creating easy art for projects that pay not so good, creating art for a project with friends, trying to build a good portfolio to get a "real" job, and job searching for "real jobs" to apply to?

Because this kind of sucks.

>>1913898
moatd tutorials. Get comfortable drawing on it. It's a bit of learning curve if you're a beginner. Make sure drivers are installed properly. I ignored a basic jittery line issue for over a year and concluded I was the problem. Meanwhile I'm drawing straight lines and curves in my sketchbooks. Get annoyed one day and discover the driver was not installed properly. Was magically fixed after reboot. I'm a new man.

Software doesn't matter. They all have tablet support. Some behave differently than others. People love Sai and people love photoshop. Those are most likely what you'll paint with. Practice traditionally too, skills transfer both ways.

>>1914333
>people in poor countries is often happier than your average anon from the developed world.
Citation needed.

Recently, the news about tumblr 'separating' nsfw blogs from the rest of the site made me wonder, if you make one of those 'secondary blogs' on the same account will it be safe from the nsfw filtering? or do you have to create a new account?

>>1914434
no bills anon

>>1914324
Oh well now my crappy gesture looks even more crappy. Thx, my problem is that i can draw the pose of the figure only in a quick sketch, and when i try to add 3d shapes it becomes stiff. I tried and i tried, i exercised perspective and gesture but i can't put the two things togheter, i am mad at how Bridgman seems to define both with few lines and i asked if there was some sort of magic trick, even i know it's only practice

>>1914524
>i am mad at how Bridgman seems to define both with few lines
There are more lines than what's shown on the paper, they're just in his head. When drawing from imagination, most artists either lightly draw in their construction on the page or have a mental idea of the major forms, even if it's just a large box encompassing the figure in perspective.

When studying Bridgman, feel free to use more lines than he shows. Draw in the implied construction. Then go over it in ink or a darker pencil to emphasize the lines that he showed.

>>1914519
Stop pretending to be retarded, that never was funny.

>>1914429
awesome thanks man

>>1912386
Hello /ic/, not from here be I figured this would be the best place to ask.

What is the type of clay or whatever you use to make intricate little patterns for metal casting?
Been doing some aluminum castings recently, but it's all been either bulky shapes I could do with wood carvings, or just crap that was already made that I used for the pattern. I'm trying to make some crude coins, and just not sure what to use to make the pattern.

Sorry if this isn't the right board for the question.

I have a question. How do you guys live besides art? All I do is art. Currently I am on /ic/ bc I am taking a "break" from studying. And every moment I am not doing art my head thinks that I should do art. Wherever I go I bring my sketchbook and whereever I am I draw because I think I should and have to git gut. I also have carpal tunnel now and still continue, how to get a seperate hobby, something to do that doesn't damage you, what do you do tell me a secret pls

>>1913207
The way I tend to do it: Part of my hand rests on the paper. I look at the subject and start blind drawing (i.e. not looking at the paper). After a few large strokes I readjust, look at the paper, and move my hand to where it needs to go. Then start drawing without looking again. After I'm done with the larger planes I'll do it on a smaller scale. At the final stage when I get into details, I glance at my paper more often. Sorry if this isn't clear enough.

>>1913355
I've been looking for a different forum too, but permanoobs seems mega fucking lame. Too many deviantart-tier artists and weebs.

>>1914826
nah its not like that, ppl are quite pro there and its good for crits and knowing what to improve on, the da-tier ppl usually leave in a few weeks after joining

>>1914828

this, also some of the top 10% skilled artists who have hanged around here/still hang here, post there. So it's not like we're telling you to go there for no reason.

So what does this airbrush symbol setting do? I cannot figure it out! Thanks

>>1914828
>>1914826
>>1914841
Is Permanoobs better than Crimsondaggers? I've been using the latter and it seems a waste of time to use both.

>>1915012
same shit

the difference is the crimsondaggers is near cultish brotherhood, some people are into that. Permanoobs is suck algens dick color studies til you drop. Not that there's anything wrong with that, I'd suck algens penis if he allowed me to.

Use either. Pennyarcade also has a great art community. Pretty much any major comic or art related community has some decent artists involved.

I have a feeling though it won't matter much since most people are moving away from the forum infrastructure. From what I gather most artists post on facebook. I've always avoided facebook so I can't point you there. What I mean anyway, is that if you make a sketchbook thread, you may not see immediate replies or crits just yet, so be patient and be polite.

>>1915016
Thanks!
If there's not really a difference I'll stick with Crimson Daggers, a brotherhood might help me be more motivated.

I really don't understand using facebook, do people link it to their normal facebook accounts or just make new accounts?
Even in soecialised groups it seems a bit hard to get crit if everyone's using their real identities, but maybe I have no imagination.

How do you draw/color with looptool?

>>1914872
It adds pigment to the canvas the longer you keep your pen on the tablet.

>>1915023

the fuck is a looptool

>>1913375
1. You might be having the same problem I had, where you're being loose but you don't know just how important proportion is. It's really important to keep your proportion tight.
2. Try and figure out where you're at. Draw a stick figure then fill in a part, do it again and add another part, repeat until you've got down a full figure or all you know. When you know where you're at you'll probably feel a lot better and you'll know what you should be working on next.

>>1915086
lasso tool sorry

>>1912386

Probably I'm the only one to not know it. But why is /ic/ called like that and not /ac/ (artwork critique) ?

>>1915362
good question. I think /i/ was the first board and they added a regular art critique board. I'm guessing that /i/ is short or Japanese for oekaki/doodling/art. and /ic/ would be oekaki(doodle/artwork and critique)

>>1915362
/ic/ is pronounced "I see" representing the visual aspect of the board

>>1915023
Simple. You just use it to design shapes and edges. These shapes being contour, light/shadow shapes. It's great for creating really sharp edges.

How to lvl up in painting ?

>>1915513
by grinding.

Does the color in shadows get more saturated or less?

>>1916285
To add to that question, do they either become cooler or warmer in shadows?

>>1916285
From what I understand, it depends a lot on the situation. What color is the light? What color is the object itself? Really, you should just take a look for yourself in real life. Take a whole bunch of different objects with different material properties and set them up in a whole bunch of different lighting situations and observe what happens to them yourself.

just got a wacom intuos small. i noticed its not responding to my stylus right away. itll start my line about a 1/4 (on my screen) after i touched and dragged. how do i fix this?

>>1916730
oh and i tried that thing where you stop wacom professional services in the computer settings

>>1916730
>>1916734
ok nm. i just restarted and its responding instantly

Why does this look so wrong? Workflow is blue > red > green > black.

>>1916743
Looking at it myself I guess because ones eyes have trouble reading what circle of the sphere is orthogonal to view and which is heading in the Z-direction.

>>1916743
It looks so wrong because you've got fucking perspective grid lines EVERYWHERE.
Seriously, you are drawing a sphere using this complicated grid system, just learn to eyeball it.

Has anyone tried NewMastersAcademy's videos? If so, are the painting ones worth it?

If one can accurately represent reality in a 2D drawing to a level so believable that it's indistinguishable from reality, do dimensions actually exist? Or rather, can they truly be considered separate from one another?

>>1916743
Black line doesn't follow any rule to it. You just sort of slapped it kind of near the green lines. It's floating in some spots. So that could be one reason. Also your perspective grid is way out of the cone of vision so that probably helps in the confusion. Either make a new grid that is in the COV in 2 point perspective or just straighten out your lines for that OG 1 point. Then, connecting the lines may look right if you don't mess anything else up.

And if you're trying to learn how to make ellipses in perspective, look at what my pic. Sure it's kind of tedious, but it will get you closer to an ellipse in proper perspective that just eyeballing.

How 2 start a painting my autism gets triggered as soon as I want to start painting something.

>tfw watching Daarken paint

how to crosshatch properly? please give resource.

>>1917249

Two very good books are the one by Gary Simmons "The Technical Pen" and "Drawing in Pen & Ink" by Claudia nice

What's the name of that program that lets you keep the image next to your canvas without closing

>>1917474
irfanview?

>>1917474
pure ref

>>1917476
>irfanview
>not xnview
Enjoy your slow gifs

Rate my gesture/ what can I do to improve them

Curly hair.

When drawing hair I can understand simple flat hair sliding down the the cranium, but when curls gets involved it appears to me, to become one big intertwined mess, and I can't comprehend the structure.
I get the parts that lay on top of all the other curls, but so much of the hair pops out between other strains that I can't understand whats going on.

>>1917644
Draw more gestures.

Try to use as few directions as possible, if you pay attention to your own movements, you'll notice your limbs don't go in separate, erratic angles.

Merge as many lines as you can. For example, the guy throwing the punch on the top right, the arm and the spine could be the same line.

What kind of paper is good for watercolors? 90lb seems ok, but I want to know what you guys prefer!
Hot-pressed or Cold-pressed?
120lb seems pretty good, as well.
Idk yo.

>>1917139
start making weird shapes and paint something out of them... NOW

What's a good natural light lightbulb for a studio?

>>1917702

>>1917960
meant to add "better?", mind you I know I'm not going to master this in an afternoon, I'm just trying to calibrate my eye to what's good.

>>1916986
Thanks anon. Yeah, I have no idea how to go from green to black. Thanks for making me look up COV, explains a lot of mistakes I've had. Z axis highlighted for clarity.

>>1918194
i think what you are doing is good, but way overkill just to draw an ellipse which is what you should focus on drawing.

Just draw axles and draw ellipses around them til you can freehand them. Then try this exercise again.

>>1917960
Build the form
Feel the form

Why is my work from over a year ago better then my shit now?

Can someone please kill me?

>>1918237
Oh, it's for sure not necessary for drawing and stuff. But I've started animating recently, and every time I animate something my lack of planning fucks me over. If I can't draw it perfectly when still, I can't draw it convincingly at 24 fps.

I just want to be able to make a square brush on Painter. Similar to the generic round brush, but square.
All these tutorials for the 'brush capture' feature is confusing the heck out of me, why can't I just download one like in the older painter?!

Are there such thing as children reference or is that shit illegal?

i think i have carpal tunnel or tendonitis or something, my drawing hand is killing me

any tips? should i stop drawing altogether or just be gentle with self when doing so?

What do you call this style of artwork?

>>1918395
remind me of woodcut prints. look into those

>>1918395

half-assed

>>1918264
Maybe you haven't studied enough and practiced bad habits. Maybe you were more flexible before and now you are too rigid because you skipped gesture. Maybe the flexibility from before let you get away a little bit from symbol drawing through imagination, but now in your effort to be "accurate" you mistake what you are supposed to draw with what you think it is supposed to look like. Maybe you are spending too much time on superfluous details without having form, so you end up with complex deformed monsters instead of the simple monsters you used to draw. Maybe you are just in transition and exaggerating.

>>1918387
Could start drawing with your elbow/shoulder instead of your wrist. There's also exercises for carpal tunnel on the beginner threads.

is there any book or other source of information that explains some kind of technique or underlying concept for subtly depicting light and shadow with pen drawings like pic related, using only ink lines? i've seen other artists (Otomo for example) achieve similar effects using screentones but in general I've seen this kind of illustration a lot in old instruction booklets and medical illustrations. I'm quite fond of the style even though it's more just a format I guess (I always assumed the idea is the high contrast allows printers to save ink by making more use of the white area on the paper

>>1918239
still trying

Should I start learning to draw on paper or on a tablet?

I'm planning to make a western comic, should I get manga studio anyway or photoshop?

>>1918687
Paper is a lot easier

What is the best exercise for measuring and studying spacial relations?

>>1918702
Brah it's just a tool. There isn't anything so intrinsically different about "comics" and "manga" like using a piano as opposed to a guitar. It's all a matter of preference. I'm not familiar with manga studio but as a photoshop user I can tell you that it has pretty much everything you could need. The only thing is that its tablet sensitivity is sometimes criticized as the program is not exactly designed just for illustration. For this reason many users make their sketch work in paint tool sai or something and do the rest in Photoshop. I imagine manga studio is similarly more "tuned" to the needs of artists drawing on a tablet. In the end it's just going to come down to what is most efficient for you. manga studio is probably has some specific tools for panels and speech bubbles and shit.

>>1918661
this type of thing?

>>1919119
yeah, exactly like that! thank you

>>1918835
There's a few different visual measuring techniques out there. You can read about some of them in Bargue and Gerome Drawing Course. You can also see some demoed here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hakaoQ9L1RM

Speaking generally, you'd get something thin and straight like a stick, hold that at arm's length, and use that to compare lines you observe to verticals and horizontals and diagonals. You can use the same approach to see what landmarks line up on vertical, horizontal or diagonal lines as well.

You can measure proportion by taking something from your subject (top of head to bottom of chin, width of a shoulder, etc) and use that as a scale unit to measure the rest of the subject (the figure is 7 head lengths tall from this angle. The bellybutton is at the midpoint from this angle. At the widest point, the subject is 1.5 head lengths in width, or 2 shoulder widths in width - these numbers depend on the pose, proportions, perspective, etc of the figure).

How do I stop being spooked of drawing stuff that's shit, that's what's keeping me from drawing the most I know what I want to draw (most of the time) but I also know that there's a VERY high chance of it being absolute dogshit.

>>1919310
Humans are not perfect, nor can they create perfect things.

No one was born knowing how to draw.

You can't learn something if you don't fail.

You'll never draw what you want if you don't get good.

You can get good. You are just making the decision of whether you do or don't. If you can live knowing that for the rest of your life, then don't draw.

>>1919310
Go join some art website with sketchbooks (preferably a smaller community so you aren't completely ignored for being shit). Start your own sketchbook to make it so you're held accountable for not drawing/posting. People will see that you aren't doing shit and will start poking you in the ass until you do. When you post for a long time, you will be praised for working hard. That shit feels good and will just motivate you more.

Also, try to be an active member of the community, posting on other people's sketchbooks and participating in community challenges.

Other than that, I would also advise you to not overwhelm yourself. Start with the basics, take your time learning concepts, don't rush through. A lot of people try to draw the human figure with all its muscles, bones, fat, skin, when they can't even draw a box in perspective properly.

If you were trying to learn how to play a complicated song on the piano, what would you do? I feel like a lot of people would probably just try to learn the entire piece at once, rushing through it--this is not efficient at all, and also highly demotivating. It is better to break the piece into manageable chunks and go through them slowly, taking care to play the right notes in the right sequence.

In relation to figure drawing, I would recommend going through perspective first (Scott Robertson's "How To Draw" and Ernest Norling's "Perspective Made Easy" are great places to start), then learning how to draw simple objects (Spheres, Cuboids, cones, cylinders, etc) in perspective, in many different angles. And at that point, you have tools to simplify the human figure (and anything else for that matter), a way to understand its occupation of 3d space, and how that translates to 2D space.

>>1919310
>>1919342
Also, a lot of people say things like "Remember you need to fail in order to improve--move forward", and while I agree with this wholeheartedly, it personally doesn't help me get past the fear of it. Accomplishing small goals helps me keep drawing. It helps me feel like I'm actually making progress instead of JUST failing.

If i take a picture of something in my house and make a still life of it on my computer with a tablet using the photo as a reference, am I losing something critical from not having made it with actual materials in front of the actual subject?

I just can't get all the materials set up everywhere all the time and I don't have some super cool portable computer to do everything on. I mean, I know that the photo hasn't been tampered with, so it should be good, right?

>>1919369
Depends on what you're studying, really. Are you studying value? Then you have to realize that cameras are really bad at capturing what human eyes perceive, same thing goes for the other aspects of color. Are you studying shape, form? Then you have to keep in mind what kind of lens your camera is using. Different lens, different amounts of distortion. You also have to be willing to give up all the three dimensional information you'd be getting from studying from life (even if you get a 3d picture, most display technologies are terrible at displaying 3d) and with that you will be taking away the challenge of taking something from 3d space and translating it to a 2d plane.

It will still work fine, but just realize what you're giving up by doing it.

Where do you get ideas for drawings/illustrations? I'm trying to build up my portfolio but I can't seem to come up with anything good to draw.

>>1919379
ah, okay. that makes sense. thanks so much

Any website with pictures I can use for Color study ?
I want to do it but I lost so much time to chose the right picture.
What did you use ?

>>1919403
I personally like to study color from life or from doing master studies. You can find nice pictures on pinterest

>>1919283
this is a wonderful answer, thank you!

If I want to get into sculpting, what are some recommended clays for beginners?

I'm looking to eventually sculpt a human.

>>1919465
I'm a fan of super sculpey. For the most part it doesn't dry out until you oven bake it (I'd still make sure it's wrapped up airtight if you're storing it for a while). For larger sculptures you'll have to make an armature and possibly use some sort of filling. Here's a great tutorial on using the stuff:

First post here:
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php/18287-Smellybugs-Maquette-Tutorial-completed!

Continued on post #440 here:
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php/18287-Smellybugs-Maquette-Tutorial-completed!/page15?s=33d1f5d55221359fd526468aa62f6f5c

i want to get better at lighting, since i feel that's a weak point of mine
how do i get better at lighting and rendering shadows? anyone have any good guides?

>>1919468
for me it helped to use table lamps and simple objects => more complicated objects => different lighting and do studies of those about how the light and shadows go

>>1919468
If you have time, try 3D render and 3D in general.
Very instructive

Do you guys have any tips for stabilizing your off arm when measuring? I'm doing digital still lifes and I'm trying to keep the drawing as accurate as possible (so I know what the actual proportions feel like), but my left arm is not very stable.

So if manga studio only lets me go down this far while sai lets me go down all the way is it a problem with my screen, tablet or MS?

help me /ic/, I been shitposting so much that lately even my dreams is all about shitposting on /ic/, it's been two weeks now of the same dream. what do?

Is dropping the dosh on a Surface Pro 3 worth it if I only plan to use it as a portable digital sketchbook?

How do I render bunch of forms in shadow, I mean where should I base the light source since the forms are all in shadow, do I just pillowshade it?

>>1920006
I would get a galaxy note. (In fact I am getting a new one for christmas). I tried to do that with a surface pro 2 and it was too heavy to hold comfortably.

How do I into cross-hatching.

Any good resources?

>>1920136
There's something called reflected light.
Things in shadow will have less noticeable detail.

tl;dr, look at things in real life.

I'm new to art in general.

Is there a page or resource with a list of common terms used, types of tools/ equipment descriptions and explanations?

Like I know what feathering is and a few other things, but I want to know more.

Is it obnoxious to use more than maybe two different brushes on a painting? Is it bad to rely on pattern or texture brushes?

Does anyone else go through drawing ability mood swings that last about 1 month? I'll be really happy with my drawing skills, feeling like i can draw anything and really enjoying it on month. Then the next month i'll start hating everything i draw and try to figure out what i'm doing wrong, i get really depressed and frustrated start hating drawing.
I swing between these 2 states every month or so. It's really tiring.

This is an old drawing, but should I put a banner across my work to make sure no one steals it?
How do you make sure no one steals your art and claims it as their own?

>>1920199
http://www.ctrlpaint.com/library

enjoy

>>1920147
Look at Albrecht Durer. He did some nice hatching. Don't make the lines exactly perpendicular.

>>1920285
You don't. You should be flattered of someone steals it.

Everything you drew in the past is worse than what you can draw now, you'll look back at it and think it was ridiculous that you wanted to watermark that.

Is a wacom tablet an appropriate christmas gift for someone who draws as a hobby?

>>1920294
>Everything you drew in the past is worse than what you can draw now, you'll look back at it and think it was ridiculous that you wanted to watermark that.

Oh I know.
Its just that Im still living with my mom and shes paranoid about stuff.
So I'd do it for her sake

>>1920299
Thats a bomb ass gift for any artist

>>1920299
The cheaper ones, sure.

>>1920303
>>1920304
CTL480 or CTH480?

And is the fact her PC's a piece of shit an issue?

>>1920308
Its small, she will say its "cute."
If her PC aint slow as a sloth on shrooms it should be okay.

>>1920311
great, thanks

How do I not suck at making things okay

>>1920313
np

In openCanvas there is a setting that lets you save your brush settings to a 'default' state (see pic related). Any changes to brush settings can be reset to that default state, which is pretty useful if you're just slightly tweaking your brush for specific purposes.

Recently I've started to use Clip Studio Pro (/MangaStudio) and brush settings are automatically memorized when you change them. Is there some hidden feature that lets me do the thing I described above?

>>1920235
You can use as many as you like as long as it looks good.

I'm trying to draw this car, but I'm not sure how to make the curves in perspective. I know how to mirror curves but I'm lost trying get the "roundness", if that makes sense.

>>1920281
I go through something similar. I recall a graph that someone might post showing fluctuations between ability to draw and ability to see, where as your ability to discern things improves, your appraisal of your own art worsens. That might account for long term fluctuations in perceived ability, but I question whether it has any bearing in a monthly time scale.

My advice is to not try to do too much that is too challenging, and don't be afraid to do a few sketches in your comfort zone if it gets you to draw more and feel better about your work.

How do you decide when you're comfortable with your style over not wanting to be pushed out of a comfort zone? I'd like to paint and render my shit until it looks like a photo, but I really prefer to just be an illustrator with a comic book +anime style. Am I copping out?

Second question is how you stop feeling like you shouldn't be showing your work? My work has been private for years but when I imaging uploading anything or trying to be in a show I get uncomfortable, like I'm parting with my ideas and drawings. How can you reach a healthy amount of detachment with your shit without feeling bad?

Does it matter what color you use for sketching?

how to get good at costume design?
or is there anything that is good on clothing or folds?

>>1920456
Draw however you want to draw dude. As long as you don't use "style" as an excuse to not polish your fundamental skills, then you'll be fine. You don't need to learn how to render photorealistically if that's not your end goal. You do however need to learn the basics of design, line quality and mark efficiency, perspective and construction, color theory, etc. You're only copping out if you're avoiding something that will enable you to deliver a better product. If you don't know what that entails, look for artists who do what you want to do, and see what they studied.

>Second question is how you stop feeling like you shouldn't be showing your work?
Post your work anonymously in the draw threads. You'll get over it.

>>1920461
No, but you do need to keep your goals in mind. For example, if your sketch is going to include construction lines and a base figure before costuming, I wouldn't do all of those steps in an opaque black. Do whatever makes sense and whatever you're comfortable with.

>>1919382
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnflBERf2zM#t=1149

I've been having a problem pop up while drawing. I'm pretty new to drawing, only having done it for about 3 years so I wasn't sure if this is just something that happens to people or if it has happened to anyone else.

When drawing (Or just focusing on a point for a little while) my eyes will sometimes dart to the sides without my control.

I started noticing it while drawing, at times what I was seeing would kinda disappear. It's hard to explain. It's like my vision just skips, like a video file might do. So I recorded my eyes for a bit (This was a while back) and actually saw what was happening. My eyes will just dart to the side(For some reason almost always to the right)

Does this happen to anyone else? Or does anyone know anything about it? I tried uploading a webm but apparently 9.42mb is too big.

>>1920704

It's not anything terrible. It's called eyelid myoclonia. Just go to an oculist. It can be caused by the stress and also by an excess of light when you draw. But if it is more than that you'll be addressed to a neurologist.

>>1920704

hey anon. chronic neurotic hypochondriac with years of experience reporting in.

it's most likely nothing, i had those eyeball-twitches too. you mean specifically the eyeball, and thus the focus of your vision, that suddenly spazzes around for 200-400 milliseconds. right? not eyelid twitches? because i had the latter too but that one is fairly common. eyeball twitches aren't that common.

they can be indicative of a brain tumor. i know, i know. don't worry that's highly unlikely at our age. dr told me in the absence of other brain tumor indicative symptoms, it's almost always stress of some kind. and indeed after reducing stress in my life, reducing caffeeine intake and doin more sports the jerks have gone away completely.

stay safe.

>>1920714
I don't think that's it. The videos I am seeing show really long eye activity. Whatever I have is more like a twitch.

>>1920717
No eyelid twitching. Only the eye. And yes, it is very quick. At first I wasn't sure it was actually happening. I thought it was just my mind going blank for a second.

I didn't know it was actually movement until I filmed it. And it's very fast. I can't consciously do that with my eyes at that speed.

And you are probably right about it being stress related. I can only recall it happening at times this year. I imagine it may be the stress that's developing through drawing that's causing it too.

hey guys recommend me some artist good at drawing like marko, wes, Alexander Pascenko, Jana Schrimer, Daniel Chavez,Karl Kopinski, Katsuya Terada, Theo Prins, Kevin Llewellyn,
am i missing anyone?
i want to get decent at drawing

>>1920718

it is that. In the videos you see people having epilectic crisis.

>>1920725

Huang-jia Wei

>>1920725
Yes, you are missing someone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGbvhyTZXfs

As for the desire to get better, be careful who you look up to. I have found that the better the artist that I admire, the more I notice how shit my own drawing is and it's a real buzzkill.

>>1920726
That's not whatever is happening to me. What happens to me isn't always happening. Only when I am really focusing on something with my eyes.

Maybe this will work. The eye twitch happens at about 0:22

http://webmup.com/dyQBZ/

>>1920730
>That's not whatever is happening to me

I'm not saying that is what is happening to you. But if you search that word to find videos you'll mostly find epileptic crisis videos. That doesn't change the fact that what is happening to your eyes is called eyelid myoclonia

im using sketchbook express 2010 with my wacom intuos small. sometimes the brush size tool disappears for no reason and the hide/unhide brush doesnt do anything. is the anyway to make it reappear without having to open and reopen sketchbook?

Water soluble oil paints, are they any good in comparison with traditional oils?

I'm improving in my art, but when I look back at the stuff I did a year ago I feel I lost something along the way.
I suppose this isn't a question, just wanted to say it.

>>1920401
I am a fool, the toggle I was looking for is located in practically the same location.

>>1920776
Same.
I lost the 'feel' of it, mostly cause I havent hugged anyone in 9 months.
I dont remember what another human feels like

>>1920879
fapping counts as feeling a human. try that. touching another person/being touched by another person is better though

>>1920748
The water soluble is only designed for clean-up. Using water to thin will result in a spongy film. Apparently some professionals refuse to use it because no manufactures will release what's done to the linseed oil and there is an inherent distrust between artist and larger paint companies. If you want it to last 10 years that's fine but using water soluble and wanting it to last 300+ years might cause a problem

how to push values without affecting the colors of the painting in photoshop?

I know that you can turn the image b/w by puting a color layer on top of the painting

will drawing on paper make me better at drawing on a tablet?

>>1921678
If you're actually practicing good form instead of shit habits, most should transfer over.

What should i get for studying greyscale traditionally
these won't work

>>1921877
>0.5
>studying greyscale
pfft.

Charcol, black and white conte nigga

>>1921664
Luminosity should work. You can also use black and white on an overlay layer. As extra measure for either you can put one or two duplicates of your original painting set to hue/saturation on top of the stack to keep the colours in check. Adjustments>Black&White can be useful as well.

>>1921664
If you're talking about final polishing steps, you can always do a levels adjustment, then set that layer's mode to luminosity. If that doesn't get you close enough to what you want, you can do a levels adjustment layer, followed by color balance adjustment layers. Use layer masks to isolate color and value shifts.

this could go to requests but I'm wondering if someone has a big stock of portraits and landscapes for studies? It often takes me an hour of googleing looking for a good image. So help an anon out maybe?

I just reinstalled the drivers for my huion h610, and there's a new version from what I was using. It seems to work fine in mspaint/krita, but in SAI I have jittery lines (it wasn't like this before). It now also takes a bit time after exiting SAI for the cursor to start working again. There's now a "simulate mouse" box that's checked off in the driver menu without the option to uncheck it.
Do I have to try reinstalling again or am I fucked?

How do you make a study schedule in a way so you don't burn out in the first week?

>>1922003
icreference on tumblr has some cool stuff

>>1921877
just use your pencil, press harder or press lighter

>>1922118
restart your pc and unplug your tablet. should work once you pug it back in. I get the exact same problem with mine, where my computer will stop recognising the tablet normally a pc restart fixes it.

>>1922132
oh snap nigga, i'm not the anon you were talking to, but i started that blog. thanks for spreading the love! I'm always looking for new members because we're 3 or 4 right now and we're posting a bit infrequent. I'm on winter break now so the posting should become more consistent though.

>>1922123
1 hour a day at least

>>1922123

Take it easy at first. Don't try to jump straight into a rigorous schedule, start slow and set reasonable goals. I started at two hours a day and every week I add another half hour. If I get hung up and struggle to make it through the week I keep at it. Last week I struggled to do five hours a day so I didn't add the half hour. This week it's still been difficult so I'll probably stick to five hours next week, but it's getting better.

The biggest problem I face is figuring out how to fill that time, as spending so much time drawing means theres a lot of repetition and thats where burn out sets in. I've put in 20 hours so far this week and I'm starting to lose my grip. Big time artist's block.

>>1922208
Keep rocking on dude.
I'll get some other artists on there from different boards.

>>1922222
quints make it offical I suppose

>>1922222

what's a good way to train or get better at visualizing things in your mind? i get some really good images from time to time but they're sporadic and fleeting. i think it would help me out a lot if i was able to call up imagery when i wanted to and focus on it for a longer period of time.

>>1921985
what would i need white coal for?

>>1922353
toned paper or corrections, though I don't think that would look very good.

>>1922170
Didn't make a difference.

>>1922268
Carry an sketchpad with you and try to draw those images. The more you practice, the easier it is.

>>1922353
>coal
I said conte nigga.
its just for highlights and jazz, you dont need it.
But you do need a kneaded eraser for conte

Y >>1922499
isn't conte a coal m8? What is it then?
Getting pierre noire, or whatever is it called, anyway. Will hb and 2b do me good or fuck hb? I can only get h, hb and 2b in my beloved east yourop.

>>1922513
*fanfare*

>>1922524
there still are hb and 2b sticks faggot

So, if I read and complete all the exercises in...

Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain Workbook
Keys to Drawing
How to Draw
Perspective Made Easy
Rapid Viz
Fun with a Pencil
Figure Drawing for all it's Worth
Drawing the Head and Hands
Figure Drawing: Design and Invention
The Vilppu Drawing Manual

...I'll be gud?

>>1922565
Yea.
Luckliy for you, all that shit and more is in the sticky.
You are going to have to torrent Vilppu, if you dont pay for it.

>>1922565
>So, if I read and complete all the exercises in...
>...I'll be gud?
Only if you do the exercises well and apply it to studies from life and drawing stuff out of your head. It's completely possible to copy everything without comprehending, just as it's possible to read without processing.

Just be sure to draw from life and to think critically about what you're doing, and you'll be fine.

I'm reading keys to drawing, and Bert Dodson talks about the rules of shape, to draw the biggest shape, the smaller shapes, the lighting shapes etc, so far this process has been working for me, especially when I made some attempts at drawing humans in college during down time.
>Gary Panter says: 6. Sit somewhere and draw fast little drawings of people who are far away enough that you can only see the big simple shapes of their coats and bags and arms and hats and feet. Draw a lot of them. People are alike yet not — reduce them to simple and achievable shapes.

I'm not sure if the approach is proper or not.

>>1922730
Sounds fine to me. That's one approach to drawing the figure, especially a beginning step. You generally always want to be working big to small, general to specific. There are other approaches that seem different, but still obey the same principle. Starting the figure off with a gesture, then a simple construction, then an anatomically correct drawing also works general to specific. There are many different but sound ways to approach figure drawing that all take you to the same place if handled well enough.

1. Not exactly an art related question, How I write a doujishi/comic plot?

2. How I stop of taking art so seriously and have more fun? The pressure I make over myself fucks me every time.

>>1922746
>1. Not exactly an art related question, How I write a doujishi/comic plot?
Have a story to tell, then develop the world and flesh out the specifics. The important characters should have some depth and show growth over the course of the story. I'd ask this question at a board that specializes in story-telling.

>2. How I stop of taking art so seriously and have more fun? The pressure I make over myself fucks me every time.
Draw more stuff that you have fun drawing. If you like drawing dragons, go sketch some dragons. Doesn't matter if it's in your comfort zone. Have a distinction between drawings that you do to get better, and sketches that you do for fun.

>>1922747
Thank you very much!

Numerous questions here. First of all,why is it that whenever i draw i never improve?

How can you apply drawing exercises to drawing?

Is there a way to change my mindset to something positive,will that help if i'm not constantly berating myself and thinking of ways i can shortcut?

>>1922752
>why is it that whenever i draw i never improve?
If you're drawing mindless without thinking critically, you won't improve. If you're learning about how we see (perspective, light), and the myriad of things we can see (building your visual library), then you should see improvement with time. "Time" being the keyword here. Instead of comparing your drawings with those from last week, compare them with those from 6 months ago, or two years ago.

>How can you apply drawing exercises to drawing?
Too vague to answer. What do you mean exactly?

>Is there a way to change my mindset to something positive,will that help if i'm not constantly berating myself and thinking of ways i can shortcut?
Learn to enjoy the journey instead of focusing on the destination. You should be drawing because the process of drawing is fun, not because of some fantasy of what a piece might look like when it's finished, or a career that you want years down the road. Be patient and considerate of what you're doing now, and allow yourself to make mistakes - that's how you learn.

>>1922734
Cool, thanks a lot.

Guys
Is there a way to delete a layer in Photoshop CC with one click/shortcut?

Two questions:

1. I'm at a point where I can paint decent stuff from reference and my studies look OK. But whenever I try to sketch or paint from imagination, it's like I can only do crappy symbol-drawings. It's kind of like my creativity and analytical brain just stops the moment I try and put anything original down on canvas. How can I fix this? Is it just a matter of drawing from imagination more often?

2. What do you guys do to stay motivated when you're hitting plateaus or just generally feel like you're not improving?

>>1923257
1 Work on fundamentals.
Look at contsruction guides.

2 Sit like fukin Tenzin and meditate.
Motivation is back when I fix my brain.
Its a long and complex thing, kinda schizophrenic.

>>1923257

1. Construction and perspective should help. You want to start understanding things in 3d so what you put down looks solid. Funnily enough I'm pretty much the opposite, I hate doing studies and working from photos and much prefer imagination based work. I'm cool with still lives though.

2. Read books or watch videos, physically push myself to gain more knowledge.

>>1922814
Edit > Keyboard Shortcuts > Shortcuts for: Application Menus (drop down menu) > Layer > Delete > Delete Layer (Group)

Click that and enter the keyboard shortcut you want. I just tested it and it deletes the current layer without a warning dialog.

Can I deliberately create an almost-touching tangent between two figures to increase the tension in a painting's composition?

Like giving the feeling that theyre about to collide.

>>1923994
There are no real rules - only helpful suggestions. There are certainly cases where tangents or near tangents can help if used deliberately and well.

To answer your question, we'd have to see the drawing.

>>1923995

I posted it in the last drawthread as it died.

Is there a way to replicate a gouache/watercolor look digitally?

is it better to draw when you aren't intoxicated

>>1924447
yes

>>1924447
no

>>1924447
Maybe

>>1924447
Kinda

Any tips for drawing small enough to fit multiple gestures on one sheet of paper? I always end up making one figure take up like I/5 of the paper and it frustrates me.
Also, for gesture drawing, are you supposed to "build" the figure or just draw the gesture as you see it?

>>1924475

Nothing wrong with larger drawings unless you're incredibly poor and can't afford much paper.

>>1924447
I always have more fun when I do

>>1924480
I can afford paper, i'd just like to be able to put more onto a sheet before moving to the next one for the sake of convenience. Plus, I love how it looks when there are a bunch of little gesture people all over the page.

>>1924485

You could just buy larger sized sheets. Plenty of academies and ateliers get their students to draw on large newsprint pads.

If not then just draw more from your wrist I suppose. Plot the end points of the figure first before beginning the gesture.

>>1924487
Thanks, anon, that helped.

People say dont draw from photos to learn anatomy and stuff (dunno why since they'd say pick up an anatomy book in the same breath)

but for studying movement, are videos good enough?

>>1920704
>>1920730
That happens to me as well, honestly I didn't think much of it. I notice it happens when I'm really focused and into my drawing and I'm trying to overlook all the details. I assumed it happened from me trying to look at everything too quickly (the drawing, my tools, what to do next, etc), and my eyes kind of spazz from the thought and focus overload.

>>1924504
*look over

>>1924008
So where exactly is the tangent in question? And what's with the white circles?

>>1924491
You're misunderstanding them: you shouldn't study anatomy exclusively from photos as you're only seeing the superficial forms. Do studies from both photos and (mainly) anatomy books.

Movement: gestures, figure drawing, videos, "The Human Figure in Motion", maybe animator books, comic books

>>1912386

a few minutes ago I opened my Christmas gifts.

I received How to Draw and How to Render.

If you have any questions just ask.

>>1924540

Its fanart for some videogame, the white circles are meant to be some magic circle floating behind the girl.

The almost-tangent in question is between the white circle and the foreground knight.

>>1924667
In that case, I'd say the near tangent doesn't work. If the tangent kills depth, then it's generally a bad idea. The scope of the tangent is also too large, as it runs along the entire dude's torso.

Generally speaking, overlapping is a great tool to convey depth when appropriate. Opting for a tangent instead doesn't seem wise.

This is all just my opinion of course. If you disagree you're free to do what you want, but I think most would vote against the near tangent.

I practice my proportions and construction by studying a bunch of reference photos, but sometimes I cannot see where my errors are. To remedy this, I'll take my reference and overlay it over my initial sketch to see how far off I was, then move the reference away before fixing any issues.

I don't know what I'm doing wrong in some of my drawings as I'm starting out. I only do it once I think I'm done with the general outlines and shapes, to make sure there's no major errors before I start filling out details. Is it a bad thing to do this? I feel like this is too close to tracing sometimes but I can't figure out a better way to know exactly what I did wrong until I develop my ability to see.

>>1924701
It's fine to do this to check as long as you aren't doing it frequently for each study. I'd say it's best to do it only at the very end, and just take notes on what your mistakes were.

I'd say your better route is to just go out and learn how to observe more accurately. Right Side of the Brain, Keys to Drawing, Drawing Made Easy, and Bargue and Gerome Drawing Course all have some sort of system or exercise to get you to focus on big shapes and proportions. I'd also go out and learn various visual measuring techniques. Link related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hakaoQ9L1RM

>>1924700

Hmm thanks for your input, I'm tossing up between the two now.

>>1913326
Before you buy a tablet, practice on paper and see if you enjoy drawing. Paper and tablet are 2 different things but the skills from the paper carry over to the tablet. You will get discouraged if you waste money on a tablet and start drawing shit

>>1924664
Could you share them?

>>1924888
>Could you share them?

I have no scanner and in any case they would break.

However How to Draw is already shared by another guy. There is a thread here on /ic/ about that.

>>1924968
Does How to Draw come with any project/work files? I only ask because How to Render does.

>>1920558
become educated on history of outfits. make sure you have a lot to draw from. pinterest and tumblr are great for this

know how to design shit in general, your basic art principle part
it's pretty much like designing a creature or a character's spaceship, but you have to keep in mind function and personality as well as form

as for folds, i believe hogarth has a book on the subject. throwing a towel over the back of a chair and drawing that is a time-honoured solution

>>1922208
what sort of stuff do you want posting and where do you get it from?

>>1925080
>SINCE you have to keep

>>1924989

No for How to Draw there is just a list of materials.

I also tried the app on the Ipad hor How to Draw. It works with some pages, but with others it doesn't.
And the app for How to Render isn't available yet.

>>1925113
Ah, okay. Thanks for the confirmation. Appreciate it.

Since or photo copying or doing a study doesnt really benefit your ability to draw from imagination, what if, you try to draw something that is/exists in the reference, but is not visible in it, and using the scenes lighting and colors to try and make it fit. Would this sort of thing be more beneficial to learning and improving drawing from imagination more that doing a study or photo copying?

I.e. trying to draw a persons body that is under clothes

>>1925080
More searching for outfits on Tumblr, yay

This is more animation specific, but is there a good program to streamline storyboarding/psuedo animate them in time with sound effects or voice overs?

>>1925177
I found Toon Boom Storyboard, so giving that a shot.

I want to learn to draw but my confidence is completely shot. I'm reading the Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain workbook and I feel like complete shit as I'm doing the pre-instruction drawings. I'm trying to draw what I see but all the lines are at the wrong angles and nothing connects. After I while, I sort of give up and just roughly draw what I see, taking liberties to make things connect... in the end, everything is distorted and it looks like utter balls.

Any advice? Probably not. I guess I just have to keep going, but it feels like I'll never improve if I don't give it a better effort.

>>1925126

Both IMO. You need the skill to construct what you can't see using your imagination, but you need to be able to observe and analyze what you can see to be able to properly do it.

Like your example, you need to observe the lighting, landmarks, and the way the clothing drapes to understand the forms underneath, which you fill in using your imagination.

>>1925352

Drawing from reference and life is hard at first because you have something to compare with your drawing and you become discouraged because reality/thephoto is so much "better".

Remember though that drawing from life and reference isn't the end goal for most artists, if you're finding some of the exercises in the book hard maybe read a bit further ahead into something like Perspective Made Easy. Drawing from imagination is fun and not as discouraging imo. Don't get fixated on a linear path of learning to draw and paint.

I suffer from making too similar drawings and cant make alot of sketches in short time due overthinking what to make a sketch of. Would it be a good idea to start a comic but with sketches for images (most likely not going to put it up anywhere). Thought it might help to do different perspectives / angles / subjects and help with producing many sketches fast, as the story will be there, just need to sketch it out. Would that work?

>>1925455
icreferance.tumblr.com
have fun with those refs bro

So is there any difference between a good quality HB pencil and a standard #2 pencil you can get anywhere? I know other leads can be harder/softer and affects the ranges of values you can get.

Are there any differences between an HB pencil you'd get at an art store and a standard #2 pencil you can get at any store that sells office supplies? I know with other ones the lead is harder/softer and it can affect the range of values you can get.

>>1925534

The core of a high quality pencil shouldnt have any voids or cracks and most importantly the graphite hardness/softness will be consistent
from pencil to pencil.

Although I draw with standard no name pencils all the time, I use good ones for finished work.

What should I do /ic? My schools art department is terribad and does not have very solid foundation classes because its so focused on muh feels and muh opinions. I know a few upperclassmen in the department who are pretty crap at drawing and I plan on changing to a STEM major in order not to screw my future up. However, I'm still debating on whether or not to transfer into a local art school that's nearby and go from there. But honestly, would it be worth my 28k a year to go to art school? I know it's generally recommended on /ic to learn on your own in order to git gud, but I really like a structured course and some guidance.

>>1925477
bad link man :(

>>1925599
just spell reference right man

>>1925600
oh thanks man i didnt even.

>>1925601
no worries man, anytime.

>>1925598
>but I really like a structured course and some guidance.

IMHO just hire a tutor. It's much much cheaper and much better because you'll have a person focusing only on you. Choose a tutor that makes works you like.

>>1925598
>I plan on changing to a STEM major in order not to screw my future up.
Just set your standards of living lower and you'll be fine.

>>1925606
Hmm, are there any good places to find one?
>>1925607
I guess, but it's very reassuring to know that I have an alternate source of income.

>>1925608
>I guess, but it's very reassuring to know that I have an alternate source of income.
if you need the money to live then yes i would say go ahead. but if you can coast for a while and you're really passionate about art then focus on art. always balance tho

>>1925608
>Hmm, are there any good places to find one?

Yes there are specific websites. A friend of mine used it one year ago. But I don't remember the name. Just google: find a tutor.
Usually in those websites the tutor is authorized to give his/her contact only after you pay a little fee for the website.

>>1925608

also for life drawing you might find some non-profit associations in your city that during the week do 1-2 life drawing sessions at night asking just a small fee to access

Will acrylics fuck up my kitchen sink? My new apartment only has a sink in the kitchen and in the bathrooms.

>>1925910
Never did anything to the sinks at my school, even after a whole classes washing their brushes in the lone sink.

I mean, I wouldn't dump acrylic paint straight into the drain, but you shouldn't have a problem with things like cleaning your brushes.

I tend to unlearn shit immediately, when I was doing gesture practices I was in control when I first learned a method and then after a few days I couldn't maintain proportions and I struggled to get all the features in. What do I do?

Also, while I want to do illustrations, I'm upset because I can't quickly and accurately capture the likeness of someone, shit always looks like anime. Any tips for getting down likeness?

>>1925941
fundementals son.
Work on those, and soon you will see the error and succeses of other artists

Tips on how to get back into drawing and the fundamentals after a long depression induced hiatus?

I started drawing through the shitty process of doodling since elementary, so I don't even know where to begin.

Hey there /ic/ . I would love to hear your opinion , when it comes to learning from books I just can't focus on , I feel retarded by saying this but it seems that I can not read books ( not literally tho) just hard to focus on. But when it comes to learning from a picture , I tend to analyze the technique that has been used and try to apply to my own drawings etc. Basically is it okay for me to study more visually than learning from books ?

>>1925954
>Basically is it okay for me to study more visually than learning from books ?

yes it's ok. But if when you read you get sleepy then drink a coffee 40 minutes before starting to read.

>>1925953
>so I don't even know where to begin.

it depends by the person. But if you want to do illustrations it helps a lot to have a strong knowledge on how the perspective works.

>>1925963
It is not more about me being sleepy , it is more about me forgetting what I read about . But yeah , I guess you are right . I have to somehow energize myself before I study. Also the thing is I can draw any subject-matter no matter what state I am , sleepy , ill , awake etc. So I guess I just don't really like reading , most of the time I love to see the drawings in the book and get an idea of it from the image instead of the text.

>>1925167
then go to your local library and see if they have any books on the subject or stick with pinterest? you don't HAVE to use tumblr

i'm a big fan of this artist http://nicolasdelort.tumblr.com/
i'm just curious as to how he does it
from the looks of it he lays down layers of ink then scratches them off and repeats
what kind of paper would you need to do that?

>>1926064
You would need to spend like a fucking week crosshatching to do that traditionally

>>1926118
i know, that's why i admire him so much
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnB8mV_iw18
by the way i found out he uses clayboard for his work
but yeah, i imagine it'd take years and years of practice to get that good, but, gotta start somewhere. i've already ordered some clayboard to experiment with

I dont understand
at all

what the fuck does PP mean

can someone draw this out for me am i retarded

>>1926859
PP is picture plane.
just like SP is station point.

>>1927079
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