/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Why do my illustration and style gets worse when I get to charcoal? I find it pretty odd that I draw like a tard when I use it but I'm pretty good with graphite.

I tried some doodling earlier and it looks like shit

>>1896588
>post your graphite work

More likely than not it's your own drawing ability rather than the charcoal. Which is not something to be ashamed of.

>>1896588
eh, improved a bit

>>1896588

>>1896588
Yea, naw dude, you just arent good.
Not even "i-its my style!" can pass

>>1896670
I thought it was more style fault but yeah, I'm not really good. Also note how I was trying to do a cartoonish face on that drawing, not to be taken as a hiper-realist sketch.

Which book will help then? Already tried Loomis and Betty Edwards
>>1896594
I don't quite understand you, what is nothing to be ashamed of?

again figuring out style

>>1896710

>Rendering the tits first.

I see we have our priorities in check.

>>1896710
Settled on Nagel I see.

>>1896677
being a beginner

Anyone else read this?

>>1896764
what is it again? i only remember the frog girl

>>1896765
Boku no Hero Academia

blirp

>>1896764
Where can I follow you?

Trying a little SAI Tool.

>>1896304

>>1896901
I would let her use me as a dildo.

I posted on the wrong thread...
>>1896829

>>1896938

Do something about those faces of yours sweet cheesus fuck. Learn to stylise an appealing face or your sexy pieces are going to end up deflating pants than inflating them.

>>1896946
Incoming 1000 character reply!
It'll do you good just to filter him out.

All lines finished yay.
Focus on line weight, fuck line quality lol

>>1896946

Yeah, I definitely need to work more on that. I did several versions, but that was the only one who I thought was fun. In this piece in particular I was trying to mimic the silly faces that Bulma do, make it comical, I guess it didn't worked as I spected. lol


>>1896950

don't cry

>>1896957
Nice what kind of pens did you use? Or is it digital?

>>1896903
that looks a lot better.

>>1896717
Tried rendering face - looked like shit. Meh, I dunno.

>>1896720
Don't know what Nagel is. Pls explain.

>>1896977
Digital, shape dynamics on pen pressure so u dont have to change brushes all the time.

made a sketch

>>1897065
mmmm I like your style but this one looks dirty...

What kind of brush does one use to get this kind of grainy effect in PS?

>>1897120
looks more like a filter than a brush.
the actual brushstockes are relatively clean

>>1897127
or at least a mix between filter and brush

>>1897120
Dual brush magic.

>>1897086
>she secretly wants to suck this man off
my dick

>>1896677
Make it your purpose to figure out anatomy.
Loomis covered shapes in the face, but anatomy in the face can be googled.
Also loomis exclusivley made [head and hands] so did you check that out?

working with pen

>>1897300
It's kinda hard to tell what's going on

>>1897300
okay i thought it was just me. i tried adding some values with pencil but i think it just made it a little harder to look at. any ideas?

>>1897336
was meant to reply to
>>1897305

>>1897336
>>1897338
>ink
>pencil
>already hatched with ink

stop it.
its okay

>>1896710
>>1896901
>>1897086
>>1896976
what an amazing erection I have

>>1897086

>Cum in hat then make her wear it

Yes

drawing interacting bodies is pretty challenging

>>1896894
http://msmartwork.tumblr.com/

Hmm, I'm more familiar with painting method rather than linework art.

It's a pain to get good tapering with linework in Photoshop compared to Sai and Painter.

Though just a concept drawing so I can make a lowpoly model for a mobile game im working on as hobby...

>>1897438
True.

>>1897019

Patrick Nagel, a 80's pinup artist that had a very clean minimalist style

>>1897438
This is very true. I have the same problem, also with bodies interacting with objects sometimes. Does anyone have any advice for this?
There are just too many references for plain naked bodies but not enough of bodies doing normal things or being with other bodies.

>>1896976
I thought the highlight on her hair was a bald spot

>>1896901
Her arms seem slightly short to me

>>1897486

Nice, thanks.

What up Animu thread.

>>1897525
...and then she farts!

>>1897525
I just can't put my finger on how the face is manga-ish but more western cartoony.

Raised nose and lowered mouth? I'm finding it quite refreshing.

>>1897559
Thank you!
I try to balance influences from both, eastern and western animators/artists. Not sure how the mouth and nose position affect that.

i just finished this
critiques please ?

>>1897580
Looks like Bigfoot stepped on his stomach

>>1897525
>Damn you anon, i can't draw with an erect dick

Keep up the good work, and send me a tumblr/da link

Work in progress, complete noob.

How is this doing so far? Sorry for shit quality, had to take it on a phone then fuck with the contrast because it's still in pencil, rough sketch at the moment.

>>1897592
danielcrawley

does mikufag still post here?

I'm currently animating this (cheaply). Why must all good things die?

'sup animu

>>1897634

actually the last couple weeks have been his most active I've yet seen

Checking in to see if my perspective is working. I've got to make her head bigger and reposition her left upper arm, other than that I'd like to know what's not working.

>>1897525

Can't resolve the shoulders and clavicles and how they relate to the ribcage and breast point of origin and that bothers me with that pose

I also can't decide whether or not the pelvis and ass are on the same planes as the shoulders and ribcage

>>1897655
you need to work on your stylized perspective

>>1897651
is he good yet?

>>1897438
you tell me

>>1897658
Can you give me some idea of what part is going wrong?

>>1897673
Left foot is off.

D-does this look okay??
It was just a doodle and I started out on it in a really bad way (first I drew the face, then I drew the hand, then I drew everything else in little sections)
And realized the hand was in kind of a weird place.
I just really wanted to finish it cause I was having fun. Does the gesture/anatomy look too weird?

>>1897655
Looks good so far, you can always push it further if you wanted. I think the leg is out a little too far though.
>>1897602
we can't see anything, consider using Photoshop's brightness contrast tool to make the lines more visible, or just use a pen. Also its probably a little too early for feedback.
>>1897580
Its very cute, anon. I really like his face, the suttle shading is working well. I think some darker values around clouds and in between the two characters would help push the composition. I think the dragon needs a little more value differentiation.

>>1897686
I think what makes it look weird is mostly that he seems to be looking away from what he's doing for no clear reason.

>>1897686
Hm....you are right....that one eye started just sliding off his face when I began inking it... thanks anon I would not have noticed that.

>>1897656
Now that you mention it... I do think the pelvis is a bit off. I think the perspective 'hides' the shoulders but I see your point. Thanks for the feedback!

Thanks for the help, it's looking better.

>>1897065
Nice line quality

Uh

>>1897913
The line of her arm, where the biceps is, can not be concave
And with the triceps the curve should be higher

>>1897919
i dont understand

>Anime/Manga/Cartooning Thread
oh guess i belong here? Was posting and lurking the other thread the entire time.

wip btw

>>1897921


>>1897926
I like it but be careful with the joint, knees, ankles, elbows,
Also her right legs is bigger than the left
Also i dont think that how her dress would fall

>>1897934
may i trouble you with a redline?

>>1897926
I like big butts and I can not lie.

Still learning how to draw so take this with a grain of salt.

Proportions seem odd to me have varying sizes in your drawing. Don't take this as the stick of truth I just resized parts to fit 'to my tastes' but I am sure there are still alot of errors in there.

I'm sure other drawfags can give a more accurate redline.

>>1897934
>>1897919
This is not necessarily true, given the positioning of the arm in >>1897913 . The forearm is pronated, therefore the biceps are relaxed- there is a concave-looking contour formed between the deltoids and the extended bicep.

You can try this yourself by pronating/supinating your forearm and the 'bump' of your bicep will appear to rise and fall

>>1897926
>>1897952
>>1898012
i would do this

i just joined fA so im trying to learn how to do ~le furry porn for dank cash$$$
what can i improve on?

>>1898049
its looks bearly furry.

>>1898012
>>1898038
Thanks a lot!

Sorry for the bad anatomy, i'm one of those guys who went straight to drawfagging without learning the fundamentals and just tried to make everything look good.

should have posted first before committing to color.

>>1898052
how do i make it more furry?? :(

>>1898057
Yeah it's a long process the way you do it.

You just start painting with low opacity and go over and over and over things until you it looks like.

You'll find that if you spend some time doing some construction and line work it'll help your painting out.

>>1898062
A more noticeable muzzle would be a great start.
Look at furry art and study real life animals to get some visual library.
(artist name is nezunezu)

>>1898064
I can somehow draw a basic "shadow" of the piece im working on during the sketching phase, then find some reference to correct some mistakes.

Problem is I don't really know how the "muscles" work together, currently trying to apply some basic shapes as a replacement for these muscles with a complex pose but it always look bad when rendered, specially when perspective/foreshortening comes in. I have been drawing too much portraits/busts that when i try to do some full body piece i fail at the legs and hips part.

As of now i'm heavily reliant on references, and can't do much without them. Any advice to fix this problem?

>>1898098
Just read the sticky

>>1898012
make the mouths glow more

>>1898098
Learn form, perspective, gesture, and do the michael hampton book, that will get you quite far and you'll stop depending on reference for drawing, of course, you'll still use it as study material.

>>1898098
The remedy is lots and lots of simple gesture and construction drawings. Really no avoiding it.

Just don't make everything look nice, remember it's for practice and once you do the gesture, 3d form, then MOVE ON. Get enough information on the page that the pose is readable.

You start reinforcing your sense of proportion with each one you do.

Don't worry about muscles or anatomy for now, they will come in due time.

Can anyone critique this before I start inking? I always suck ass at seeing mistakes until others point them out, any tips for that too?

>>1898158
are you aiming for a stylised look?

>>1898168
Yeah, but if anything sticks out as too unappealing I would like to be told so I could adjust it!

>>1898170
>>1898158
I really like the facial aesthetics, the hand and the arm are the most noticeable problems (flat, use volumes for construction), and some parts of the clothing are flat as well.
It also appears that you just copied the iguana.

It's ok and I think you should just finish it and make another one ad infinitum.
I see that you're drawing "on the spot", so I recomend you to delve into structure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uEtdDvK6Xo

>>1898168
you know this is the stylized art thread right?

>>1898208
Thank you for the crit!

>>1897913

i am cum

>>1898238
i like it but i would make a thicker outline on her feet

felt like mucking around with colors

>>1898270
nice.
a but weird, but overall much more itneresting than all the animu stuff

>>1898275
Not sure it works, but cool experiment.

>>1898275
i think you are going in the right direction but still missing something that makes your stuff more appealing. this concerns the face area mostly

>>1897580
I need a crop of that dragon

>>1898275
I love your art, im a big fan of the style

>>1898280
>>1898283

It's a mockery, you dumb shits.

>>1898372
what's a mockery?

>>1898372
it's good mockery then.

>>1898385
clearly he has skill

>>1898372
I don't care, I like it. It's made with skills and it's interesting.

>>1898421
That's what he said

>>1898275

>>1898389
>clearly he has skill
>>1898421
>It's made with skills

He knows how to cell shade! Quick! Lets call the amazing artist brigade immediately and have him inducted! How is any of this skill? Is the bar set so low here?

>>1898428
cel shading = bad art. professional artists only use soft brushes :^)

>>1898428
so what you are saying is that you basically hate on everything that doesnt immediately invoke a sense of technical skill?

poor you. you are missing out on a lot of good and simple stuff

>>1898428
salt

Work in progress

>>1898512

bottom hem of the dress/flower thing is hella aliased

>>1898428
chill out bruh

>>1898512
it's fuckin weird and ugly

>>1898602

Just like ur mum m8.

Trying to improve my line weight, so what did I fuck up?

Trying to improve my line weight, so what did I fuck up?

>>1898654
I can tell that you've gone over some of the thicker lines several times. Line weight is something that should vary through your pen pressure, set it up so that you can achieve very thick thin strokes. Each line should only take one confident stroke. Sculpting your lines with smaller strokes to make them look like the strokes of a thick brush doesn't look good. It's easy to tell because they look a little wobbly and lack flow.

>>1898657
Not quite sure what philosophy you're using for the line weight

>>1898666
Mainly been following this.

Which artist draws the best feet?

Got bored with it.. I still don't like the face. :(

anything I should fix anatomically before I give them clothes?

inb4 EW DICKS

>>1898766
If I were her I'd be way more pissed off than she is. Or in pain. Not just agape.

>>1898777

I tried to make her look surprised, thought it would be funnier.

>>1898779
if you're going for funny you definitely need to exhaggerrate the expression more. The eyebrows are something that could really be played with more. Since theyre in a fairly neutral position in this picture.

>>1898784

Oh... You're right. Now that you said it, it seems very logical. Thanks for the input.

>>1898775
EW DICKS

>>1898761
legoman.

>people who disagree
fight me

>>1898238
that smile though jesus

>>1898835
>those toenails

no thanks

>>1898885

Boku no Hero Academia

you're welcome

>>1898889
Char name Asui Tsuyu.

>>1898761
Does he have a Tumblr or something? Sorry to ask, but it's hard to find with that name.

>>1898935
Who, legoman? If you google 'legoman' his Tumblr is literally the first link and his deviantART is the second link.

>>1897646
: <
Looks nice for a single frame! But you should be more careful when there's no motion going on. (which would be rarely lol)

>>1898835
>Best feet
>Not Kyle

noteventrying/10

>>1898891
wow this is so kawaii

so im reading this scott robertson book and it realy fries my brain. So far it didnt answer my question how to find out the perspecive of just a body that i have in my picture. I always draw a girl but dont know how am i supposed to find those persp guidelines on her. I want to draw streetviews and cityscapes also. is there a way to establish persp guidelines without extending my canvas all the time ? in ps i extend the guides by croping and then crop it to normal size but when i need extra lines after that i cant cuz i cropped image out. Is there any softwere that will help me bulid persp guidelines ?

>>1899078
lol holy shit

Scott Robbs drawing book is intermediate stuff, put that away and pick up Perspective Made Easy, or you can watch Scot Robbs Gnomon video for some quick notes on the perspective basics. You can find a torrent for that at the usual spot.

Hiya

Im in general frustrating my self in the beginner thread. but I need some help with aesthetics. Im getting the basics and Ive read the sticky and Loomis, watched proko, etc. and Ive started to get drawing but I feel my stuff is ugly as hell.
Here is an example.

Cont.

>>1899081

and here is one made using only the marker tool. Its marginally better. How do I make my way of drawing look nice?
No idea where to go on that so far.

>>1899078
Yo don't draw the character and then expect to find the "perspective guides", you establish the perspective first and then draw your character.
After you get the hang of perspective, you can eyeball it, but only after truly getting it.

>>1899081

>>1899085
but if i think of perspective first then how can i be creative with my figure. vandurf says to draw first then use perspective because it will block your flow.

>>1899087

I like that one, thanks Ill take that with me.

But its more how I make lines and such look good. like so many artists out there.
Sure Ill get to the anatomy part and Ill get that right someday. But then there is how to make it look good. Hoped you guys could give some pointers.

>>1899083

Your proportions are unnatural, and the features and landmarks are lacking construction, making the entire head look flat.

gonna colour i guess

>>1899099
I fucking swear Im never gonna get decent at this...
Right, by constuction you mean that the base shapes, spheres, triangle, or whatever the fuck lacks depths- right?
So, I guess its "fun with a pencil" or?

>>1899089
There are methods to finding out the perspective guide lines but that involves quite a bit of experience of drawing perspective and mental maths.

Easiest way is to draw a box in the same perspective as your figure, around your figure and use the converging lines of the edges as pseudo guides.

>>1898775
the legs

>>1899102
Care to show your progress as you're coloring it? I've never understood how to properly color on black-and-white.

>>1899102
The raised foot looks like is has a really tall platform, whereas (because of the tangent of the rubble and where the canvas ends) the foot on the straight leg seems to not have a tall platform.
Also I'd like to follow you on tumblr, so long as it's a all OC blog.

>>1899110
fun with a pencil sucks. try "drawing the head and hands" by loomis

guys do you think 0033 just draws all those figures like they are ? without any guidelines etc ? how can i be as good as him ? i will print his stuff and copy it everyday and try to apply it to human beens. is there any video of him drawing maybe ?

>>1898935
Google
Legoman (lm)

if you need to type in tumblr

>>1899194
yes and no, he has a really autistic way of checking his proportions. I remember some anons trying to translate them in one thread and according to them what he does is he just draws the contours, then he checks everything by doing those "x-lines" across the body that you can see in some of his posts, I don't think anyone really understood how to interpret those lines though.

>>1899081
>>1899083

It's mostly a matter of practice, the better you get at anatomy the better and more pleasing your faces will look. It'll likely take some time, but don't worry you'll get there eventually.

That said, you could also do studies of faces from your favourite artists' work in addition to the other stuff. Try to figure out how they went about simplefying the features and which parts they exaggerated or omitted to create a nicer looking result.

>>1899033
holy shit nigga

>>1899214
>baby's first kyle-boner.

lel

>>1899210
well those lines that are inside the body are very logical they represent the planes of body imo. Those X's he dose i dont understand either.

>>1899090
(Man I should have read the entire thread before answering.)

Anyway, if you're unhappy with your lines then you need to practice them.
Do the exercises from the Dynamic Sketching video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk).). Try to hold your pen(cil) lightly (you actually have more control that way even if it might not seem so at first - if your grip is very tense your lines will get shaky) and draw from the shoulder or elbow, not your wrist.
Once you feel like you can do that easily you can look into line weight.

Been slacking off a lot recently watching Harry Potter, need to do more drills. Refilled pocket brush with an eye dropper

Going on a trip, see you on the other side!

>>1899216
nah nigga, dem feet look like renasauce Michelangelo dope

>>1899033
whos kyle and where can i see more?

>>1897438
whos that >greenman??

>>1899234
Go away Kyle.

>>1899237
no seriously :(
i love the soft-shaded rendering style. doenst have to be kyle, but where can i see more of that shit?

>>1899227
>slacking off
bad table-san
baaaad

Kyle where did you learn your digital painting skills? They are really good. All your forms look very 3D and smooth.

>>1899266
looking at his older works he just copied the figures and shadows from photos stylizing them. IDK if he still dose that but copying all those pictures might gave him some skills to do at least half from imagination.

painted and graphics

>painted her truck
>It's a white sedan
>woman newsanchor

>>1899102
I've only ever seen your coloring process.
mind posting someone your starting work, your finished product is really close to what im aiming for and I always find myself drawing a blank when rendering.
Also, what program do you use? I'm currently using sai and lately its not quite doing the job for me.
This is something I've worked on but gave up because I didn't achieve the desired results.

>tfw you can only draw torsos from total front or side view
>as soon as you try anything in between it makes no sense

How do I understand torsos
I even tried loomis and hampton construction but they make no sense to me

Pls help

>>1899102
Aw yiss

>>1899436
I like these, you made them?

>>1899837
you're not thinking in three dimensions. The torso isn't just a flat shape on paper, it is a form with volume. think of a sphere, no matter how you turn it, it maintains shape. A torso (all of the figure) is made up of solid forms that pivot and foreshorten.

>>1899874
How do I get better at that?
I can draw the basic solids in 3D, but as soon as I try drawing multiple at differet angles, in the same drawing, it becomes too confusing

>>1899893
Boil and Egg.
Draw lines around it to indicate sternum, spine, side lines and chest line. Use different colors if you need too. You should be able to figure out how to use it from there.

And no the egg isn't for eating!

>>1899227

You need to draw more of those glorious thighs, any then you need to show me!

>>1899893
Can you? If your able to draw basic solids, drawing a rib cage isn't that much more complicated. Try what >>1899908 said or find any kind of basic solid (boxes are easiest) and draw them from different angles. Here's some simple examples, definitely not perfect, but may give you some ideas.

Now that I think of it, you problem is most likely you neglecting perspective, and you haven't internalized enough the conventions to know how to foreshorten an object.

>>1899837
LEARN PERSPECTIVE AND 3D FORMS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

some sketches. sorry about the file size.

I need to practice drawing hands grabbing things, specifically soft materials like boobs.

>>1899955

tell him the materials from which he could learn instead of screeching like a parrot

>>1900032
>Fresh off the boat? Read the fucking sticky!

>>1900029
Things that I already learned with these three sketches:
- "Bridal gloves" are excellent for constructing hands.
- With materials like boobs, it's better to draw the embedment of the material first and THEN draw the hand grabbing it.
- After the hand is drawn grabbing it, re-adjust the embedment as necessary.

Starting a painting

>>1900012
All those wrapping lines don't mean anything if you don't know the underlining construction..Same with your heads in profile, the nose projects of the face is never parallel with the mouth.

>>1900053
That's one hell of a rape-y face. Like a complete psycho maniac.

>>1900056
>>1900053
Because redlines are more elaborate.

>>1900073

>changing pretty much the entire style with a redline, even if the style looks undesirable

okay

>>1900079
*Because* the style looks undesirable?

>>1900073
Not what I'm going for, but thanks.

>>1900079
holy shit, you changed nothing except the style and turned it into some ugly animu shit.
do you even know what a redline is?

>>1900073
>>1900106
Meeting stylized with stylized is bullshit, i dont really even see the point of redlines when the person can just refer to proper anatomical studies... But I guess it serves as nice community interaction.

>>1900053
I don't know why but the face seems too small for the head. Just a personal preference but maybe enlarge it?

>>1900110
>to proper anatomical studies
Might not always help when dealing with stylization.
Personally I prefer it when people redline stuff and the original artist can take and ignore details as he sees fit.

>>1900116
It might do better than something entirely different from the initial style. They're both rooted from realism anyway.

>>1900112
Thinking about it, I raised the hair line and softened the expression somewhat by opening her mouth.

Better/worse?

>>1900125
I'm not sure what exactly you are trying to go for, but I think it might be slightly better.

>>1900132
Smiling? Happy? Oblivious to the pain she is causing the smaller one.

>>1900125
Her face is too compact. It could help you to fill out the noggin room a little more. Also those sketch lines are making her face look much older/uglier than it has to be. I realize they are going to get cleaned, but lines do that to faces.

>>1900125

you need the eyes to squint more, it's not a true smile otherwise

unless you're aiming for a fake photo-op smile

>>1899857
Ya i did. Anon makes all of these.

>>1900053
The legs really bothered me, here's my attempt, hope it helps

>Almost finished coloring
>This could pretty much be my best shit yet, the first time i'm satisified with my drawing
>double check
>accidentally deleted a layer a while back and didnt notice
>too far back to ctrl+z
>do layer back again
>it looks like shit now

>>1900376
Too much color doge
Specially in her leg

>>1900182
good call by your friend, I see what they're saying with the profile view, I'd rather have a fuller "portrait" while still looking plausible. Rest was helpful.

>>1899436
already posted this i think, but did some tweaks
and added props/graphics

>>1900415
>>1899436
still working on the little cat one, not sure what kinda props to add..

>>1900417
>>1900415

I'm really liking these, good work anon.

>>1898889

>It's actually called Boku no Hero Academia

I just assumed it was called Hero Academia and you were making a shitty /a/ joke.

>>1896710
I think you found it

>>1900042
>>1900029

>>1898512
I remember you

you did that blue jellyfish girl thing

keep on keeping bro

>>1897370

>>1900417
His face looks like it belongs on a smaller cat/body. It doesn't look as intimidating as the rest of him.

I'd also have another look at that logo. Make the nine more polished and bolder, it doesn't stand out to me as much as "Lives Cat Gang". Same goes for the little symbol with the eye you have at the bottom.

>>1897120
you can do that with a watercolor brush in manga studio. just turn on "wet edge." some of the frenden brushes look just like that.

>>1897926
what brush/settings/process are you using to get lines like that? I like that kinda blurry messy translucent look you have on her legs and arms and am trying to figure out how to do it. are you drawing with a soft round? or is it some blending mode, or are you coloring them somehow?

Please describe your process with respect to the linework.

>>1899134
I'll try. The main point of 'black and white' is to get values down properly.
>>1899144
I could try to make it seem like she's stepping on actual raised ground instead, thanks for pointing it out.
>>1899481
I use photoshop and sai, both really
values are very important.

>>1899078
dump photoshit and get manga studio. has 1, 2 and 3 point perspective guide rulers.

>>1899239
kairunoburogu is his tumblr and hf.

>>1900485
W-what?

>>1900485

Nice anon, nice. I like it

Man, every time I feel good about my progress, I come here, and instantly feel like shit when I see how good other people are.

>>1899227
We don't learn shit like that in my school, those dynamic poses and inkwork... da fuck mang... Gotta do more solo shit.

I was feeling cocky for being "the best" in my class, my school clearly sucks...

Anyway, critique /ic/?

>>1900846
>Anyway, critique /ic/?
Thundercats, ho!!!

>>1900846
but thats one of the top picture ITT. besides everyone here suck besides kyle.

>>1900849
Yeh, idea came from that exactly.

Class assignment was an Amazoness, I asked him if I could make her a catgirl. And well...

Here's the other assignment. Feel like I should redo that port since I can do better. I just got lazy there.

>>1900853
>Amazoness
>ess
woah there buddy
that's like saying "maideness"
i'm pedantic please don't apologize

>>1900858
English isn't my first language. :P

What I meant to say is Amazon Princess.

>>1900853
I think I remember you posting this one before.

In both drawings, the proportions are pretty off. The BlackLagoonShooterMiku has a really long torso and chicken legs, the Thundercats chick had very long arms and a huge forehead.

I need to fix one monster though

>>1900872
I posted this one, people said she looked like Miku, so I took the Miku away by tweaking a few things, and giving her more of an adventurer look. I only changed a few things on her though.

>>1900872
Anyway, onto the criticism, here's the anatomy on the catgirl.

I think that the proportions are fine. I made her legs a little longer than the canon on purpose to really give that part of her body emphasis (she's not supposed to be human after all), so by default, her arms have to be longer to make up for it.

Her forehead though, I think it only looks big cause of how her ears are placed, and again, not a real human.

>>1900877
how can you get satisfaction as an artist by repeating a generic design, explore a little man

>>1900872
As for the Muse, the torso is fine this time around, it only looks that way cause she's a petite skinny bitch (read, anorexic). Here's the construction on it. I gave the legs more musculature and defenition, still maintaining that skinny look, which, while I understand may not be for everyone, it's how I wanna characterize her, she's short, skinny, and bitchy.

I think that overall, it is an improvement over the last one. The hair looks more natural, and she actually looks more like a mage, and less like a groupie (while still maintaining that music-lover aspect which I do wanna keep for specific reasons).

Here's the construction for her with some overlay line art. You can kinda make out the outlines for the torso and such, it's proportionate man.

>>1900877
An adventurer would not be wearing a crop top, short shorts and pantyhose. Unless she's exploring the mall or her sexuality.

I know that anime is well known for the impractical outfits and whatnot but these clothes don't communicate "adventurer" or even "someone who spends time outside," they aren't telling the story you're telling us.

Throw in some pouches, she couldn't even fit a phone in those small, tight pockets. Give her a bad of some description, you can't go exploring without supplies. Maybe a leather jacket or vest or something made of material that doesn't look like it would tear the moment it met an abrasive material. If she insists on wearing stockings, give it a few runs. Most chicks can't even walk through a city without getting a run or two.

>>1900893
Like you said, it's not exactly practical.

And that's kinda like the beauty of fiction. It doesn't have to entirely follow real world rules.


Anyway lets look at the new one.
>>1900889
I think the Shoulder Pad, Elbow Pad, and wraps help characterize the fact that she's not just going to a mall. Sure, she has an extravagant style, but normal people don't dress like that.

I insist on the short shorts, the stockings, and a belly revealing shirt. She'll have other clothes in regard to the story, but they all follow that general style.

She does carry a bag, I just didn't draw it in for that concept art. It's like a sort of messenger bag.


I also feel like the emblem on her scarf helps get across the fact that she's a mage of sorts. Which is why she doesn't carry many bag aside from that pouch on her bum.

I think that as far as characterization and anatomy, I'm very satisfied with her final design. I'm kinda drawing inspiration from Daisuke Ishiwatari and such in designing her, so she's not meant to look realistic and conventional. She's meant to look cool/attractive.

I actually want guidence in regard to presentation/line art/line weight.

>>1900898
Well it isnt about practicality or making your character unattractive/pain/common, it's about visual communication/cues of the character for the viewer which is important, fantasy or otherwise. I think you can do better but if you feel the design is communicating what you want to communicate there isnt much I can say to change your mind.

>>1898428
you're pathetic

>>1900874
>6000 .5 Farber Pens later

Rough sketch of something I'm working on.

Any critiques on general composition, horrific proportions, shitty perspective, etc?

>>1900978
Is it the lighting of the room or you camera that's making all that striping?

>>1900980
Fluorescent lamps flicker imperceptibly quickly, and I have three of them in my dorm. I'm assuming that my shitty phone camera does progressive scan when it takes images, so we get some wagon wheeling.

pls crit

>>1901100
looks traced

>>1901111
wut, no it doesn't.

>>1901100
the head looks alright but the body proportions are terrible, especially that arm.

>>1901100
Mikufag syndrome, proportions look like it belongs to a real model rather than an animu girl. Remember to proportion figures correctly, it's usually in halves.

>>1901113
>the head looks alright but the body proportions are terrible, especially that arm.

>>1901116
>Remember to proportion figures correctly, it's usually in halves.

I don't get it. Please redline.

>>1901120
Can you try this for me just once, I want to see if it would help.
Draw a body but try your hardest to forget/ignore all the ratios and rules you have studied over the years and just draw what looks/feels right.
A few years ago I worked myself into a dead end because I was so caught up in proportions and following rules that I couldn't draw intuitively any more. When I stopped obsessing over the rules I improved so much, all the info was still in my brain but i wasn't actively thinking about it all the time.
It's what worked for me, maybe it will help you.

>>1901120

>>1901130

lol, you made her a midget

>>1901127

here's a quick sketch

>>1901113
Line consistency is off, usually happens when people trace.

>>1901160

pressure sensitivity set to size.

>>1901175
Stop chicken scratching.

>>1901178

Can't visualize shit so searching for form that way. Doesn't matter anyways cause the end result is clean.

>>1901100
dont have my tablet so tried to make do with some liquify tweaking.

>>1901181

>Can't visualize shit so searching for form that way.

Man if only there were ways to learn how to visualize things in your head more clearly so that you could make more confident marks on the page, damn...

>>1901186
Shh, don't tell him our secret Vilppu going through and around over the surface coming through and over around feel the pinch technique.

>>1901191
Is that from the Vilppu drawing manual Basic figure drawing? Cuz I'm reading that right now.

>>1901185

Thank you!

What went wrong /ic/?

>>1901210
With the right drawing, I think her right arm goes down too low. It shouldn't reach that low compared to the main body, at least normally.

>>1900887
Because that's a specific design for the main character I've been working on for a comic I'm doing. So I have worked on her design quite considerably over.. two years give or take?

I've done tons of other stuff, and tend to venture out and explore more with those. Especially with the assignments I get in class.

But you are right, I do tend to kinda get stuck in my own rut when I work a lot on certain things, and it¡s kind of an effort to break out of that tunnel vision.

I'll post some other stuff later in case anyone wants to see, but I also don't wanna feel like I'm self-promoting or w/e.

>>1901252
i would agree, but it looks like the design on the right is supposed to have a lankier build? the only thing throwing me off is the fact that she seems too close to the ground. if she was taller, it would look alright with that kind of design, i think.

>>1900846
>>1900853
>Cheetara and Miku

mite b kewl

>>1900889
>>1900853
>>1900877

Trying to stay motivated so I can get past those first half dozen years of crap.

>>1899031
will do

>>1900874
>>1900972
>no serious answer

w-well
maybe i'll have more luck with this one

>>1901327
A full face sketch is always better to work on eye and eyebrow placing, to avoid the flat impression.

>>1901314
didn't you post this like a year ago

>>1900874
If you're still here, I really love your art style, im a big fan of crosshatching and many lines composed like that. My only complaint is that the floating ledge the girl is standing on needs to be defined as a "ledge". It took me a bit to see that she wasnt just on a floating blob, and it should take no time at all. Maybe shade the underhalf more or make the part where the bottom and top meet a little more defined? Do you have a blog? Or care to post other art in this style?

>>1901314
>>1901314
You made her fat bro, why did you do that?

>>1901394
>anime technique
>anime
>technique
pls

>>1898766
Dunno if it's just me because I am sitting all day every day at computer so my neck may be stiff as shit... but I really can't look at my ass over my shoulder. She is almost breaking her neck in my opinion (yes, opinion), but with her hand on the hip and shoulder raised it looks even more strange.

>>1901435
Yeah, i see, i was a bit tired at the end i guess (took me like 3 evenings)

>>1901476
Now that's wat i call a TRUE curvy woman

>>1901470
what?

>>1901476

the rendering is jerk off good like always but your color choices are kind of dead and sterile, play with warms and cools or even overlays + blending modes to make the colors more interesting

>>1901476
nice values
do you use soft round with lasso?

>>1901444
You have to go out more and see some real girls

>>1901526
>see some real girls
>Implying they wont cry rape because you raped them with your eyes
>see some kids playing and draw them from life
>implying people wont call you a pedophile and crucify you on the spot
>Just go out in public and draw people!
>implying you wouldn't get nasty reactions similar to surveillance camera man

There's a reason why you should be a shut in

such is life

>>1901526
I went ahead and had people choose between that one and mine, the original. Funny enough a lot of people agreed with yours, saying that she looked very skinny.

Now, none were manga fans, so they don't matter.

I DO have one question though, why must she follow the anatomical canon if she's a fictional character. What's the issue with her being so skinny when her inspirations are also equally skinny, or even more. Pic related.

>>1901526
>>1901539
Real life girl who served as the inspiration for the character as well.

This still counts as stylized, right?
I kinda want to paint this with flat colors, but all I have lying around are sharpies.
plz crit

>>1901539
how do you look at them ? :^)
>>1901540
i think it is because mine was better stylized
and i can assure you the guys that make blazblue know their anatomy pretty well, thats why they can make chracaters anatomically incorrect but yet so appealing
it has nothing to do with her being skinny or not
it is because you styilized it in such a way that makes her look unnapealing
it is very noticeable that you dont know anatomy and are just copying, look at the head and shoes you did and compare them to mine
another very important thing is also, structure which yours have none. you can see that specially in her shorts compare both yours and mine( i fixed it a bit more and make her skinny in pic related)
just practice your anatomy and you will improve
>>1901542
wut

>>1901614>>1901540

oh and also pic related

New Thread:

>>1901660
>>1901660
>>1901660

>>1901614
>just copying
I resent that.
:p
I actually drew her entirely from imagination in that last one using only previous sketches for reference.

In al seriousness though, thanks for thebpointers, mainly the reference pic.

I don't plan on changing her design anymore, since personally I'm perfectly satisfied withbit, and I think that's what matters most.

Most of the negative comments I got were just that theblegs were too skinny that she needed a sandwhich. I showed sone of thosevgirls pics of BRS and Noel and they made the same remarks. They liked MY face bettervthough. ;)

Anyway, like I said, she's modeled after a girl who IS that skinny, and she prefered the original (though Cal has a better ass), and both my profs graded the assignment and complemented the construction. Not saying I'm the best, I can always get better, but thebpoin I'm making is that I feel tgatvpreferencevhere is subjective.

Thanks anyway tho.

>>1901153
you know, i think that's a bit better.

>>1901387

I thought it was awesome, anon. Some serious mythological shit or something.

Hey /ic/, i was wondering if i could get some advice/pointers on the cartoon i just drew? I'm feeling something definitely off with the proportions but i cant pinpoint exactly what

>>1901476
And thats how I lost my virginity