/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>1883312
>He didn't give me any suggestions
lel
why do people go to shit schools?

>>1883312
Don't grid, and don't trace it. That's entirely missing the point of the exercise.

You want to establish guidelines like seen in the image to the left, namely the verical and horizontals first. Then you want to measure line segment lengths and angles by holding a stick out at arm's length. Establish some sort of scale on the image that you can use to judge all other spatial relationships. You might use the distance between shoulder blades, the height of the glutes, the length of a straight line on the edge of the ribcage, etc. Measure and create a polygonal line drawing that has the contours and large shadow shapes established - it will look like the image on the left. Then take your time and fill in the shadow shapes with tone, then slowly render everything out.

Read about the technique of copying the plates in Bargue and Gerome Drawing Course.

>>1883315
Yeah seriously, this is pretty stupid. I'm against the way contemporary schools teach Bargue studies anyways, but if you are going to teach using the plates, at least explain.

If you google up on sight size methods they will explain it for you. There are many issues I have with that approach though. If this is just homework overnight or whatever then probably don't worry about sight size and just copy it out. The diagram on the left shows a way to start--noting the major angles and blocking out a linear breakdown of the shadow shapes.

Also your teacher is retarded for making you do it on an 18x24 sheet, that is fucking massive. At the schools that assign these things, these usually take a month or two to complete when at a smaller size.

>>1883312
Pro-tip: Use yer eyes

>>1883315
I mean, I've learned and improved a whole lot more than I would have if I taught myself. He's a really skilled instructor, but his teaching skills could be a bit better, I agree.
>>1883318
I understand what you're trying to say, and I wish that was the exercise. But our instructor is saying, "I want this to look exactly like the original."
I feel its more of a rendering and edge control exercise. But who knows, maybe you are right? I guess that's why I'm having so much trouble in comparison to his other assignments.
>>1883319
I totally agree, on both aspects. (not giving suggestions and the paper size)
Though, we are able to use graphite, black colored pencil, or charcoal.
I might use charcoal, but I might fuck it up because of how easy it is to smudge. (Unless I spray it when I'm finished...but still)
>>1883320
Thanks buddy~

yo anon, do you have more of these images?

>>1883312

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFitUPCmhK8

This basically tells you how to into Bargue plates OP

>>1883334

It's a rendering and edge control exercise once you get past the block in and line drawing exercises. Stop looking at drawings as specific exercises and realize that every drawing is every exercise.

>>1883399

Here's a picture even showing the steps in progress. Tips from an atelier student: 1. Block in main proportions. use whatever helps you get the height and width correct
2. add specifics to the line drawing and refine
3. block in the shadow shapes
4. refine values and edges
5. repeat step 4 ad nauseum

I also recommend you get a plumb bob to easily see verticles

>>1883406
And I forgot the fucking image

>>1883312
Straight-line construction. Find the angles and their relationships to each other, and use those measurements to get a general feel for the angles and proportions, before you even start to shade or begin working on details.

>>1883363
Here ya go, Anon
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=charles+bargue+plates

>>1883441
thanks man!

>>1883312
don't copy, study, understand, recreate
if instructor complains, ignore
achieve dreams

>>1883312
>Just shade everything in the shadow by tracing its edge.

I don't get that concept. This is a very blunt copying of the object. A student misses his chance to learn to understand the complexety of forms and just fill places in shadow with a pencil. What is the point of that?

Forms are much more complex than that.

>>1883958

Because the exercise isn't about learning forms you nitwit.

>>1883958
What he said >>1884361

The Bargue plate exercises are an introductory exercise. They're designed to get you to see accurately, reproduce what you see on paper accurately, and to practice motor control. You can still go on to study forms and construction, but you'll be much stronger equipped to do so because you'll have the necessary observational skills to do it well.

>>1883312
Scan and print it out on transparent film. Then trace it.

>>1884367
you lil shit

>>1883312

It's from the Bargue drawing course, find a copy and read about how students were meant to copy it - It's the best way to go about this.

>>1883318
Kind of correct, but that's the comparative sizing method - Gerome and Bargue utilized the sight-size method. Either works, though; comparative is better if you plan on doing a lot of field work, sight-size is better if you plan on doing work in an artist's studio.

>>1883319
Rendering it in a large format is also part of the Bargue drawing course, and even if it's frustrating to cover so much area it makes it a whole bunch easier - this is coming from personal experience. There are so many nuances in the drawing that having enough room to show them really helps.

>>1883958
It's about learning to see very minute changes in curvature and recording them faithfully. Pretty much what>>1884365 said.

>>1883312
A lot of really good information here, pick and choose. If I only had one thing to say, it'd be just take your time with the proportions - everything depends on the initial lay-in. Check, double-check, triple-check, finish it by the end of a night so you can sleep and look at it again in the morning and go through all the checks again.

Also, sucks for you, but I have more than one thing to say. From personal experience, though; get a high-quality, lightly textured paper - not a smoothed one. It'll need to take erasing well without loosing all of its tooth, and you need to be aware of that, so use a kneaded eraser lightly when you're erasing preliminary marks. When you have it all mapped out, cover the dark grey tone first, then the very light grey tone, then the mid-grey, then the black - and try to remember which direction you're hatching your values in. When it most go darker, hatch in a different direction, and keep on laying those on top of each other - look at some Russian academy masterworks and find unfinished areas in the pencil renderings if it helps.

Hope this helps.

>>1884738
I'm serious. I have a teacher who gives us shit like this all the time. The point of the task is to think outside the box.

>>1884767
All you'd learn is how to cheat your teacher.
Is that what you what you are going to school for?

OP here just to say:
With the time constraint that I had, I had to do what was necessary. But regardless of how I did it, I feel that it came out better than I expected.

Personally, I would work smaller/the same size as the original, and if I used graphite for even smaller changes in value.
To be honest, I definitely learned a lot and how the straight line construction method works.
I could spend hours on this thing, but I just don't have the time anymore.

Godspeed my fellow artists
Thank you for all the help

Keep following your dreams!

go for countours, erase, go again, erase, go again. Thats it, try and fix.

>>1883367
that was quite nice...