/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>only 5 people doing the study

bunch of fucking casuals on this board. theyre never going to make it

>>1876300
oh its only 4. the faggotry is worse than i thought

i drew that model a few months back.

It has some problems.

>>1876300
People missed it, I was in that entire thread and I spotted it 3 days after it was posted

>>1876300
>>1876304
if i didnt read this post i wouldnt have even known there was a thread study going on, and i posted in the last couple threads.
either im retarded or they need to talk about it in the OP.

>>1876317
Seconded. Please mention the study in the OP because I would have done it; I just didn't see it

>>1876307
>>1876317
>>1876323
im pretty sure the guy making the threads and the guy posting the refs arent the same person. but either way, ive been posting in these threads for over a month and there's been a big drop in participation

>>1876325
That was my first participation, it needs to be more Flashy, and at the start of a thread

I dont get this whole anatomy shape thing, How do I know what shapes go where

>>1876341

the shapes are simplified forms of actual things. the main shapes in that picture are the head, the ribcage, and the pelvis.

>>1876343
Yeah I get that, but I have all the pieces but dont know how to assemble this puzzle, you know?

>>1876346
Try drawing it as an overlay over a photo and fitting those pieces into the figure that way. You should get a better idea of how things relate to reality. And if you are still confused post up your attempt here and people can correct you.

>>1876351
It still looks wrong to me

i am new to gesture drawing and drawing in general, so am i doing this right? i need to do something more specific or just keep doing until i get it right?

did this this afternoon using
http://chaoticshiny.com/monstergen.php

This bulky fey creature lives in the shadows of cities. It lies in wait for its prey, which includes other monsters of the same type, humans, medium-sized creatures, and magical beasts. It attacks with piercing claws, psionics and a hypnotic song.

Trying.
Sorry about the poor quality all around but this was fun

That was an accident.. Uhm I fucked up

>>1876366

It looks like some kind of grotesque Tingle from Zelda

>>1876366

Also you're kind of a twat for posting this in the beginner thread.

>>1876371
that's more or less what I was after

neat

How do I into contour/proportion? It never seems right.

And the original

>>1876361
Not the same guy that replied to you earlier. It looks like u are using 2 dimensional shapes to define a 3d form. Its like you are drawing a square and instead of a cube. If I were you, I would start with drawing a cube in multiple angles. Use boxy furniture around your house. That should get your brain thinking in 3d.

>>1876361
That's because it's incredibly stiff. When you're setting up a pose start with the gesture and not just a stick figure. Find the line of action and the rhythms and then build your forms on top of it.

>>1876379
Work big to small. Basically get the angles of his head. And match up plumb lines and angles to the image. You basically HAVE to measure. You are not at that level where u can just free hand everything. It will always be off because of the tunnel vision you use when you decide to draw individual features.

>>1876363
Use as few lines as possible and work on your proportions. You might want to use regular pen and paper and draw bigger.

>>1876391
got it, thanks

well

>>1876306
That's a pretty solid study anon. Though it's a shame you gave in at the feet.

So does anyone want to choose the next reference to study from?

>>1876341
I think you might helped fill a gap in my brain anon.

>>1876304
I'd try it but I'm too terrible to do it.

>>1876406
dont bother with this.

anything wrong with this one besides the palm being too big?

Gestures are weird. Sometimes something just clicks and I can ~feel the flo~, sometimes I end up scribbling all over the page.

>>1876414
Im sorry?

>>1876325
OP here. I used to to post refs to start this whole study thing going, and after it succeeded I stopped and let other people pick refs for the thread. Study pictures were usually posted a short while after a thread was made regardless, so I let it be. From now on I'll check; if a study hasn't been posted a day after a thread was made, I'll post one.

>>1876413
How about this then?
Study #14
Pick one or both, try your best and have fun.

>>1876492
left might be okay. the right has really bad lighting it seems?

>>1876390
Thanks for the advice, but what do you mean by measure?

>>1876532
Measure the relationships between features

>>1876491
I think you helped me with human perspective.

I tried my hand at colouring for the first time, the outline should be black shouldnt it

>>1876539
it should be more solid, the color of the outline doesn't matter too much depending on you style or if there even is outlines

>>1876544
Yeah, thats what I meant to say
Is there a tool I can use in Sai that can fill out these lines?
Or should I just go over them and put more pressure on it

>>1876546
I'd just do it again
make sure your brush is hard round and full opacity and flow

>>1876206
How I'm doing with proportions?

>>1876559
Finished this one right now. I need to know if I'm in the right way and if I'm doing it right.

>>1876566
use cleaner lines; single and confident strokes
and also try to capture the thickness of the lines - it plays a part in making it look 3dimensional

>>1876568
Thank you I'll work on it, but besides the lines there's something wrong? I'm following the proportions correctly? I'm doing the exercises to get how proportions work. You can be harsh if necessary, I want to become a good artist.

>>1876558
I tried colouring it again with another method, it came out better but the fucking Tiara thing still looks like ass

>>1876573

are you using a tablet? for the line work, try using the pen pressure for line width and not opacity.

>>1876578
I thought thats what I was using, the Opacity was on 100%, but now im doing the outlines again and its pure black

>>1876579
No wait scratch that, pressures working, my brush type got changed for some reason

Did it again Practice makes perfect

>>1876590

I think it looks better.
I'm actually on the same level as you, but I made the same mistake you did and someone pointed it out, so I'm just paying it forward.

Do you have steam? wanna be my drawing practice partner senpai?

>>1876592
No sorry, im much to shy
But I'll be here if you need a hand

>>1876463
thumb is too short

keep going

>>1876590
draw full lines, not hairy lines

do more construction

How do I go about finding a Vanishing Point?

Reading up books on Perspectives, the exercises are easy to understand, but when it comes to real life areas, I can't seem to determined the VP to save my life. Drawing things in relation to the VP, everything comes off completely wrong.

Any advice?

>>1876775
All you need to know is where the horizon is. You should eyeball the rest.

>>1876778

But that's the problem I'm having when it comes to real life drawing. I can't seem to determined where the Horizon is. What's a way in doing so?

>>1876781
The horizon is always at your eye level. Think of it this way, if you're in a huge flat place and you lie of the ground the horizon will be down there with you. If you're 100 ft above the ground it will still be at your eye level. (Unless you go real real high then you start to leave the planet but you don't need to think about that usually.)

>>1876785

Well, let's say I'm trying to draw a desk in my room. Whenever I mark the VP and attempt to draw my desk, the angels come off incorrect looking too sharp, however I feel as though I am measuring it through eye level. Why does that happen?

>>1876785
>>1876789

Here's the desk I'm talking about. Where would the VP be located?

>>1876789
If the angles are looking too sharp/acute you're probably drawing things as if you are using a fish eyes lens. Pic related. I don't actually know what to tell you to stop drawings things that way, I never usually use much construction but things turn out looking alright. Just think a lot about perspective and try to make sense of it in your mind. I found that once I had a basic sense of perspective in my head from using guidelines and vanishing points I improved much more once I stopped drawing them down and just drew what looked right to me.

>>1876795
there

>>1876799

The problem with that is, if I draw things by what I see it, then yes, it'll come out fine. I can draw the desk I posted with no issues. However, if I try to find the "perspective" and dot a VP, then my desk looks completely off. Same with everything else I see around my house or anything in real life.

By doing this, I'm throwing away everything the book "Perspective Made Easy" taught me, making it a pointless read.

>>1876800
Thanks. But say the desk wasn't there, how would you determined the VP?

>>1876801
Just think about the height of where the camera/eye would be if it were over there by the wall. that's where the horizon is. then pick somewhere on it and use that as your vp. Also note that objects only have their vps on the horizon if they are perfectly horizontal/flat.

First time posting in one of these threads, any feedback on this wip

>>1876840
right hand and right foot will be way fucked up if you stay with that

her left hip shouldn't curve like that based on the way her right hip is a lot sharper

>>1876803

I suppose I'm over thinking things.
Went out and about to draw an apartment on the hill. I was able to visualize the VP with no problems and got the angel I wanted.

I still can't really picture the VP for my room desk, but I'm sure if I draw it the way I see it (with the image provided earlier to mark the VP), it'll eventually hit me.

My biggest 2 influences are Takehito Harada the lead artist for Disgaea games and Doxy some guy who does humanized Pony crap
How can I try to emulate their style onto me?

>>1877032
Get the basics down first then try and study the things they do when they draw. Note the exaggerations, the tricks they use, the poses etc. at least that's how I think you should go about it.

>>1876463
The fingers don't look natural. Try working on gradation between areas of different shade even more to create a full scale of contrast. For instance, the area below the thumb with a darker shade looks flat because the shade is the aame throughout. Draw with the understanding that lines don't truly exist on hands. You're obviously getting close,

How do I focus on my drawing? I can draw but there are times where I notice my mind seems to wander about anything other than the drawing in front of me. My eyes can't seem to lock on and I have to look downwards, away from my monitor.

>>1877051
Headphones, Loud music, the rest of the world doesnt matter now

>>1876486

>>1876492
That leg got super fucked up, the point to this is 1 try right

>>1876492
tried the left one

Arms are my weakest point right now, what can I study to learn the lengths of arms

>>1877038
Well, Takehito Harada main style appears to me be very simplistic Cubic art style with a solid colouring as if everythings Metalic. And a coloured outline which I cant really find out the pattern for.

>>1876800
That's cool

>>1877144
>Arms are my weakest point right now, what can I study to learn the lengths of arms
two cranial units.
not head.
cranial.

>>1877214
2 skulls?
1 to the elbow and another to the hand?

Is it me or are men harder to draw than women? It may have to do with the more delicate frame that women possess while a man's figure is rigid and strong.. which calls for a more detailed approach. I had to break him down in to simple figures to understand. It is not my best effort, I just did some quick scribbles, but It helped. I may just do quick sketches since I feel i can "feel" more when i do it quickly rather than measure each segment down to a planck and "copy" it perfectly; yeah-no, I don't feel I'm learning that way. I had an odd sense of joy when I put the hair in, I felt some sort of undderstanding wash over me, could I have leveled up? I'm very bad at heads and faces already so I may have gained some exp in the process.. Anyway I've got some gestures on the way, I'll show those in a minute.

>>1877229
Here are those gestures. I don't know how to feel...Are stick figures essentially what I'm supposed to be drawing? It doesn't feel quite right...should I attempt to add at least a little figure or keep the single lines? Im thinking I should be following the bones but that would make it look too mechanical. It's tough trying "feel".

>>1877233
fuck, forgot image

>>1877229
Yeah i find this to, but thats mostly because Im a perv and like looking chicks frequently

>>1877234
Here's a ref I fell in love with a while back, also with my ass attempt at the study. I should have left the shading alone till later. Try it out guys. Sorry about the quality of the ref, I didn't bother searching for a better quality one, if there's one at all. Honestly I think it gives it a whole lot more character.

>>1877240
lol I used to be the same way, but now it's kind of meh... I'm way more balanced between genders now as far as drawing them goes.

>>1877241
The bottom three were super frustrating.

>>1877240
I think you're right there. I find men much easier to draw than women, but that's because I like the male body more. At a teen I used to draw lots of male characters, and rarely any females, which made the few females I did try to draw look quite manly. I'm trying to change that now.

My University offers free three-hour figure drawing sessions on Fridays. I'm embarrassed of my skill level because I'm new to the game. I drew the first drawing next to the ref in OP. Should I go?

>>1877315
Its not bad
You could use some more practice, which the class can give you
Im the 2nd from the right, and I can see how fast ive improved just from pushing myself to draw more and more
Seriously a week ago if I drew the same thing she would be way less shapely and more Chicken Scratched hairy
Also maybe free Tits, Go do it

>>1877249
oh hey, know that feeling with that ref aswell
image is old, but at least related

>>1877315

dude. everyone is there to get better.

don't be the fat guy that goes "i'm scared of going to the gym because i'm so fat and all the fit bros will laugh at me"

that never happens because

a) all the fit bros are way too concerned admiring themselves to even notice you
b) 90% of the fit bros started out exactly the same way

the gym/lifedrawing classes is not where you go to show off, it's where you go to get good. and everyone knows that.

amen brother.

Can you get better at drawing just by copying others? I'm really bad at drawing something myself, but I think it's ok when I'm using someone elses drawing to work from. I think it's because I struggle with proportions and drawings faces/hands, so will just copying others help improve that?

>>1877323
Im curious to
Im currently copying a guy to try and learn his style
I feel like Im getting more experience at anatomy
And my lines are more confident

>>1877323
>>1877327

no. if you want to learn there's only the hard way. copying others will give you a sense of satisfaction and it will make you feel like you are way better than you really are.

if you want to get good, study hard. it doesn't take you too long to reach a respectable level that will impress everyone you know irl.

>>1877331
and how good is your art? dumbfuck, mindful copying is a legit way of learning

>>1877336

oh boy. do what you want brah.

This is my first attempt of painting with a tablet, did it in SAI. Can I get some critique please

>>1877331
Practice is practice dude, sure its not as effective as drawing new shit, but its still better than nothing

>>1877346

dear god. you sure your biological parents didn't abandon in some dark cold place?

>>1877357
The fuck asshole

>>1877357
anon, this is the beginner thread. its ok if everyone sucks.

>>1877365
>>1877362

i was just kidding. its the drawing, not him/her looking weird. sry if i'm being insensitive lol.

>>1877357
I'll take that as room for improvement lol

>>1877380
There will always be room for improvement
You could become the best artist on all of 4chan and there will still be room for improvement

what do you guys think of my style?
even though I learned how to see (kind of) I still can't tell whether it's shit or not
basically it's cartoon faces with only slightly deformed bodies.
I feel like I can just instantly switch it to eastern by swapping the eyes with anime eyes; it bothers me the most

I've been trying to deform the body somehow but at the same time, I don't want to deform it too much because I want to draw fappable porn in the future.

also sorry for the awful sketching, I'm still practicing

>>1877362

AYY LMAO why are all you faggot "artists" on this board so easily butthurt ?

Should I have have read Drawing on the Right side of the Brain or Keys to Drawing before Loomis?

>>1877323
Copying is alright but it will only get you so far. Start copying but then use what you learned from copying to better your art. If all you do is copy you'll never progress beyond what is already done.

>>1877441
Ah right. Thanks man. So then to build on that, just practice the parts I struggle with (hands/faces)?

>>1877448
Definitely comfort zones are alright but you'll get nowhere if you don't leave them.

When doing a digital art
Do I draw the drawing at 1000x1000 then post the finished at the same size
Or so I draw it at 2000x2000 then half it to 1000x1000 and then post it

>>1877439
>Should I have have read Drawing on the Right?
No.
>Should I have have read Keys to Drawing?
Yes.

>>1877477
You always work at higher resolutions and then downscale when posting here.
Save the original, obviously, before downscaling.

>>1877491
Does it make it look cleaner or something?

>>1877477
Working at a huge size allows you to have finer detail work and rendering, just make sure it looks solid as a whole before you scale it down.

>>1877492
Yes and it allows for more detail.

I'm having a real difficult time figuring out shoulders (rather: how and where to attach arms to the torso) and none of the "general anatomy for artists"-books (Bridgman, Vilppu, Hogarth) have helped so far. Any suggestions for material?

>>1877241
You are at the halfway point
Open your eyes and you will make a breakthrough.

>>1877234
>drawing the same gesture over and over
A general gesture doesnt have to be perfect.
it just has to get the form across.

>>1877388
I cant really judge your style off of the same 2 charcters

>>1877560
>can't really judge your style off the same characters
I dunno, I draw her the most and I was wondering if I could get a crit just based off of her
she's suppose to be 11 but I feel like I draw her like a teenager everytime

but I'll draw more examples in a min or so

>>1877484
What's wrong with Drawing on the right?

>>1877591
It tells you how to use a pendulm and electrotherapy to cure your homosexuality and activate the creative animalspirits in your soul.

>>1877593
...
Are you exaggerating or being series? The thing with Keys is that I have a little trouble with look, hold, draw. I can understand looking at the subject more than your drawing but the look, hold, draw thing seems challenging.

>>1877560
here you go
if you need me to post more examples, let me know

Oil pastels. High school senior here btw

I assume there's a lot to do regarding line-art. But can I just a number of basics to get started?

On a different subject, I'd like some basic help on backgrounds, too. I do them terribly and they make the subjects look even worse.

Digital drawing, by the way

>>1877623
ayy lmao

>>1877623
Ear positioning is off on the left one and too small on the right one. Head shape is awkward on both. The shadowing is done relatively well. Actually make a background next time, even if it's a lazily done monochromatic gradient or something.

>>1877579
11 year olds don't (or are just starting to) have breasts, hips, or a real "defined" waistline. Don't think lightly kiddish looking teenager. Pic related: Characters shown are in middle school.

>>1877388
>anime eyes
this isn't a thing, have you literally only seen one anime in your entire life jesus fuck.

>>1877621
Looks like a standard Tumblr-esqe style.
Dont know if thats what you wanted, but there it is.

>>1877768
>anime eyes
this isn't a thing,
>anime eyes isn't a thing
What?

>>1877865
>tumblr style
oh hell no, don't want to go near that shit

>>1877876
also what makes it all tumblr?

>>1877879
>anime eyes
>unfinished
>"am I kawaii" kinda of feel to it

>>1877388
>what do you guys think of my style?
Looks like the usual high school or college student's work which isn't necessarily bad, just uninspired and generic. Typical of deviant art goers really. If you'd like to improve the quality of your work, I recommend Vilppu.

>>1877910
Not him, what's the starting point on Vilppu? Should I know anything before reading/watching his material?

>>1877917

I recommend starting with his drawing manual book. when i was starting out i found it very approachable, and as I came back to it recently I found the information in it became even more valuable.

about the most complex thing in it is the use of boxes as a construction method; that requires some knowledge of perspective. but you can study them side by side and apply that to your figures.

branch out from there.

>>1877923
Thanks, I'll go start on that.

>>1877910
alright, I'll work harder next time

I'm done with Drawing on the Right Side of your Brain and I'm moving on to learning Perspective a little better as well as reading up on Fun with a Pencil, but I have a question.

I'd like to adapt the retro cartoon style like Stephen Silver's work, however I'm wondering what's the best way to approach that? I'll continue with what I'm currently reading, but when should I start focusing on the style I have interests in? Not saying I'm getting bored with what I'm doing now, since I keep seeing improvements, but just wondering.

>>1877961

apply what you're learning to what you want to do, you don't really have to wait for it. find artists whose work you enjoy, study what makes them appealing to you, and incorporate that into your art. as long as you keep practicing the fundamentals along the way, you should be set.

>>1877976

Make sense. Thanks!

so i'm beginning to understand perspective and gesture after weeks of practice, things like foreshortening and 1,2,3pt perspective aren't confusing me anymore, and things i draw kind of look 3 dimensional. same goes for gestures.

at this point is it just non stop grinding until i git gud?

>>1877997

don't stop grinding da fundies, but ask yourself: what exactly do you want to draw? once you figure that out, it'll be easier to figure out what else to work on.

>>1877640

first panel the shape created by the yellow ground stomping effect looks like a black dick and the smoke sort of makes him look like he's wearing a skirt.

sorry I just cant unsee it. I like your style otherwise

Man.
I *really* need some help with figuring out how to draw tipped cubes in perspective, and I mean doubly tipped, no "imagine it as a box flap on a level cube" option.

Like a cube standing its corner making each and every damn face inclined without giving it the option to be a box flap on a level cube.
(Unless I am just too fucked in the head and it actually is possible)

I watched Marshall Vandruffs draw 123 series on the vanishing trace chapter and I understood it, I think.

Except the part about "where would the vanishing point of your line be if your line were level?".

Man I'm so shakey with nervous desperatin if having brain lock that I worry that I am not even getting my problem across here but I'm asking anyway.

How would you solve this in a methodical way?

>>1878077
P.S.: I can freehand that shit, of course, but I would really like to understand the procedural approach.

How to construct a cube that is standing on the corner, not a face, not an edge, but a corner, from scratch, in perspective, using a procedural approach, as in, step by step that can be applied to similar problems?

>>1878077
>>1878079
P.P.S.:
I also have D'Amelios Perspective Handbook but it also only deals with 'easy' inclines.

Which a cube standing on a corner might be as well but if it is easy then it still managed to paralyze my brain because I cannot understand.

Please help me untie that knot in my brain?

is there anything wrong with the perspective/scale on this?

>>1878084
Everything.

>>1878088
go on...

>>1878084
I don't think you quite understand how perspective works

>>1878091
go on...

>>1878093
Have you read the content of any of the recommended books on perspective yet? If not, look into perspective made easy by Norling, how to draw by Robertson and rapid viz by Belliston and Hanks.

>>1878084
needs more robertson

>>1878096
>>1878098
welp ill check them out thanks

I'm getting to the point where I can kind of draw kind of ok. I feel like I need to develop a workflow now - focus on any particular program, configure shortcuts, figure out all the functions, know which brushes to use for what and so on. Are there any good introductory resources for any of the major programs? So far all I've found are very specific (and largely idiotic) guides like "how to draw a cat with a hat in Photoshop".

>>1876300
>Blaming people for not drawing what other faggots want.
Drew this on pixelovely around a week ago, I actually prefer to do studies of things what excite me somewhat, not some reference what was posted on an anonymus board. I come here to the beginner thread to get decent critique on my studies, and anon is doing well to help me.

I've been practicing gesture drawing for 2 weeks now. Those are my 30 second ones. What I'm doing wrong? Should I make less lines?

>>1878219
Tere

>>1877234

hope it helps. Might not. I dunno.

I made it btw

1/2

>>1878238
>>1877234

2/2

female version

>>1878238
>>1878241
>>1877234
>>1877229
>>1877233

Hope that helped man.
If it didn't i'll go silent an hero mein self.

Heil free will.

>>1878235
Tervist

>>1876492

Why didn't I start gestures earlier. This shit is hard as fuck.

>>1878374
Well are you FEELING it?

>>1878374
Forget the figure, forget the shading, FEEL the MOTION, FEEL the ACTION. If they're just stick figures, so be it. FEEL how the action makes it what it is. Don't make a sketchy figure and say it's a gesture because it's not... close your eyes and FEEL the figure...PICTURE the figure in your mind but FEEL with your strokes.....simply FEEL

>>1878374
30 minutes of trying to gesture and I still don't know how to feel it.

>>1878402
How though? I guess I could do that with the 1 minute gestures but with the 10 minute gestures? Am I just dumb?

>>1878412
also fuck, I just noticed some of the hooked lines I was making.

>>1878412
You should do a lot of those posemaniacs/whatever 30-60 second drawings.

>>1878412
You are still figure drawing, get rid of technical morality and anatomy all together and FEEL how a leg curves and draw a single LINE that REPRESENTS that MOTION. FEEL how the BODY BENDS with ONE SINGLE STROKE. if the body bends in a slouch, FEEL a line that REPRESENTS that slouch. Look in to vilppu's manual on gesture...start with a simple circle for the head, draw a curve in the circle to represent head tilt and orientation, then proceed to your strokes that FEEL how each limb CURVES and STRAINS and STRETCHES. FORGET detail and begin FEELING the motion...not the figure, but the MOTION, the ACTION, the way the body REPRESENTS ITSELF. BODY LANGUAGE...How do I represent this BODY LANGUAGE with SINGLE STROKES? That is the question you ask yourself when doing gesture.

>>1878425
So start with those before moving onto the 5+ minute long gestures? Okay, that makes sense.

>>1878219
I can get critiq on my gestures? I would like to know how could I improve

>Waited until the end of the day to start my day's studies
>Still got 45 minutes to fill
>Too tired to do anything of any quality

I need to stop procrastinating bros.

>>1878430

Too many lines for sure. Too many fiddly details. Too much contour.

>>1878432
Thank you! That's what I wanted to hear. So just stick figures right? Only show motion. I can add contour only on 2 minute gestures?

>>1878426
Thank you. I think I'm starting to get the idea? I'll try to pay more attention to less lines with more feel the next time I try.

>>1878439
>>1878426
Is this any better? I forgot to do the sphere-head + single line tactic, but am I getting any closer to actual gesture?

Am I feeling the motion right yet? (sorry for shitty pic)

>>1878461
It actually is better. There's definitely life behind these gestures now and have a definite flow to them.

>>1878466
Could you please say your opinion on my ones >>1878463
>>1878219

>>1878434

No contour. Gesture is gesture, it's motion. If you want to build on it then communicate form with cross sections. Contour can fuck itself at this stage in the game.

>>1878472
Now you're FEELING it!

>>1878426
go home vilppu you're drunk

Haven't gotten my figures checked in a while. Critique would be useful. Used the NMA life drawing session.

>>1878461
Indeed it is, now you're FEELING it.

>>1878471
what >>1878472 said
Your lines are too stiff and you are clearly trying to create contour on the first image.
While the second image is a step in the right direction, half of those gestures are unnatural. Take time to plan your lines rather than just laying down a line that you see. Really FEEL the motion of the study.

>>1878476
cont

Just got into drawing, would like whatever crits or advice people have on this thus far, something feels wrong about the left foot and I can't seem to get the shading quite right. I'm trying to get a 3d sense of things in my mind but this damn foot is killing me.

>>1878211
>not doing both

>>1876366
I really enjoy this image.

It makes me depressed as fuck. I practiced gesture drawing and still zero progress

>>1878502
Practiced fore 2 weeks*

>>1878502

Yeah, cause it's two fucking weeks.

>>1878508
Problem not in the time. My problem is that I wasted it doing everything wrong. And I still don't have any idea what I'm doing

>>1878502
>2 weeks
Well no shit

>>1878514
>2 weeks
14 days of wrong + 1 day of right = -13 progress

You see what I'm gettin at?

>>1878520
I think I do. Thank you! I better stop bitching and keep practicing

>>1878520
I don't think you quite understand the purpose of gesture then. If you're setting out to practice it then it doesn't matter if it looks good at all, it's the equivalent of practicing scales on a guitar or an athlete doing windsprints. Draw to learn and get a feel, don't draw to make a pretty picture.

>>1878534
Whoops, meant for
>>1878514

>>1878502
Those are great gestures though

>>1877229
I've always been of the opinion that this exact reason is why people draw at cafés and coffeehouses(in the dutch sense). People are still, yes, but more importantly, they're usually relaxed and enjoying themselves, which provides a certain flow that you don't see many other places and that provide a more fluid drawing.

>>1878065
Not my comic/work, haha, but yeah, I saw that too. Made me want to find another page to post but I said screw it.

>>1878577

i honestly have never thought of it that way. it does make some sense.

>>1878514
>Problem not in the time. My problem is that I wasted it doing everything wrong.
How would you know that?
Is it because your eye got better at seeing flaws? Because you are getting it?

You do realize that artistry has two phases, right?

where your drawing skill goes above your eye, which makes you feel good.
your eye goes above your drawing skill, showing you all the pathetic mistakes you have made.

rinse and repeat.

it's just natural.

Guys is it ok to practice everything at once? I mean like 2 hours on gesture , 2 hours on face study, 2 hours on proportion and etc. And like this everyday. Or should I stick only to 1 thing untill I get better at it

>>1878594
both works but doing one thing at a time is best.

think of it like walking through high grass, or something and skills are all over the map around your starting point a big empty stockpile.

every time you walk to a skill pile, through the grass, you will flatten the grass and shrubbery that leads to it.
the more often you walk to that pile and back to your stash, carrying a little bit of skill with you, the easier it will be to go to that skill pile, until the path is so flat that it is no trouble at all anymore.

thing is, if you don't walk there from time to time, the grass will grow back, making it a bit harder again, but because you have already stomped the path well into the ground, it wont take as much time flattening the path again when that happens.

>>1878594
>>1878597
note:
you should still draw what you want in your 'spare time'.
don't only study.
if you only study then you'll be like the programmer who wants to maek gaem but only writes the engines, over and over again, never actually creating the game.

>>1878597
>>1878599
thank you!

im trying to do a self portrait for portrait day and i have no idea what its missing to make it look like me :(

>>1878594
It'll get easier with time so long as you keep drawing every day. Don't fret the details, just keep bangin' out as much work as you can and like >>1878599 said, find a happy medium and don't forget to draw for fun. What fun is it to learn to play the guitar if all you ever do is practice scales?

I'm following vilppu's drawing manual on gesture
which one is more fitting as a gesture, the top or bottom?
I like the bottom, but the top feels more accurate to the reference

I like drawing but somehow i have a thing for lines. That's why i enjoy the lineout the most.
Anyone else?

>>1878627
bottom looks too stressed.
yes, exaggeration is good but the mood is completely different.
it's probably the head looking up, looks so very triumphant.

the bottom one is still the better one, though. imho.
I'm not the gold standard, though.

>>1878605
you just need to watch your proportions.

my paintover is shit but w/e

>>1878627
>>1878637
the pelvis in the bottom one is in the wrong directoin though.
observe her butt. you can see the bottom plane of it even in her left buttock, that means her ass bottom is facing toward us slightly.

you have drawn it facing away from us.

>>1878627
the bottom is better but the top is more accurate.
Michael Hampton said you don't have to be accurate to make a good gesture

How do I go about getting better when it comes to drawing lines? Will this be taught when running Loomis book "Fun with a Pencil" or is there a specific book that can help me out on that?

>>1878709

I don't believe Loomis ever addresses line quality in any of his books (MAYBE Successful Drawing but i doubt it).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6tmUJAv_k8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

these might be helpful. peter han says to use pen in this video and that's probably helpful but you can use pencil too,

do many, many, many of these, and (this part is important) apply them to things you actually want to draw.

>tfw finally getting a grip on perspective

shits taking my drawings to a whole new level, wont have to fill up pages with wild sketches anymore.

Who's the charles bargue of the perspective?

>>1878717

Thanks. Yea my lines look like complete shit, and I don't like it! I feel like I'm drawing too much with my wrist, when others are telling me to use my shoulder? I'll check out those videos, but if you have any other advice, please share.

Smiley Face

>>1878721
using your wrist might be part of the problem. i know drawing with your shoulder/elbow feels super awkward at first, but it really makes a big difference in how confident your lines become when you get used to it. i found that drawing circles and ellipses really helped me to loosen up and get used to the feeling of not using my wrist.

also, this is something i don't see a lot of people talking about, but when you're starting out, don't draw fast. spend a little bit of time thinking about your marks, "ghost" the lines (i.e making the line in the air before committing it to paper) if you have to. there's no point in doing things fast if it all comes out wrong/inaccurate. you'll get faster with time, but focus on being accurate first and foremost.

a lot of it really is just practice and muscle memory. as the name would imply, you'll have more line confidence when you've made similar marks beforehand. eventually you'll realize you naturally won't be as hesitant.

How I "get" perspective? Norling didn't work for me.

>>1878751

how long did you actually practice/apply the things in norling's book? perspective isn't something that you can come to understand in a day or two. keep grinding the boxes.

>>1878752
Weeks. Btw Senpai, can't I grid with Loomis perspective? As long I grid boxes I'll get hold of it?

>>1878751
>>1878754
Try Scott Robertsons Gnomon video

you can find it on that pirate site

>>1878754

yeah, you can use grids and stuff if you want, as long as it helps you out (eventually you should be capable of making your own though).

you actually should practice drawing other shapes in perspective too, boxes are just the easiest thing to draw in perspective.

also, try applying perspective to things you actually want to draw, that might help you learn it faster.

>>1878758
>demonoid and the russian site don't let me download it
I'll keep trying.

>>1878759
Well, I'll keep working without norling then, I'll try to draw cars and faces. Thanks.

>>1878764
piratebay dude

>>1878766
Thanks mane, downloading.

>>1878751
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jmIXmZVuKI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCsaWiqSEiI

also check out marshall vandruffs videos, they are $12 but worth it

>>1878774
Watching it right now, thanks.

>>1878784
also check out his video on foreshortening. he covers the fundamentals better than anyone else on youtube

>>1878786
This guy is pretty cool, I like the way he explain things. I'll watch a lot of his stuff, including the foreshortening video. Thanks for showing me this anon-kun.

>>1878727

Thanks for the advice. Yea, upon reading books recommended and fishing Right Side of the Brain, while drawing other things for practice, I always felt like my lines were complete garbage. However, I always drew with my wrist, never with my shoulder.

As for ghosting the lines, this makes a lot of sense to me now. Seeing other artists showing their work from start to finish, I never fully understood as to why they would "ghost" a lot of areas, but I thought within time it would just make sense. But from what you told me, that clears things up a lot.

Thanks again, anon.

>>1878635
I like the aesthetic of clean lines from felt tip and fine point pens but I have ham hands so it's tough for me to do

Cant think of any good poses when I draw from nothing

Here's a master copy of a Sargent. I tried to focus on the face but I just don't understand his brushwork. I need a harsh crit, please

>>1878899

sorry for the chickenscratch/horrible handwriting/overall shittiness of this redline but hopefully it helps you out in some way anon.

another thing i probably should have written down is that shoulders don't work like that, they slope downwards.

if anyone wants to crit my terrible redline feel free to

>>1878903
Also did this quick life drawing of some brown eggs. Really trying to understand reflected light and shadows.

>>1876206
Is it bad that the eatonhand execise kinda hurts?

Does Loomis really help?
Im just starting and I hate his over exaggerated cartoon style

I can tell it sucks and I still have a long way to go before my mind starts communicating with my hands the way I want, but I'm kind of happy because I feel like every time I draw I can "see" the original picture better, so it should just be a matter of time before I can draw what I see properly.

This thread is probably the friendliest thread on 4chan. Thx anons

>>1878932
You can skip ahead to his(or any really, but his is a good place to start) figure drawing book if you think you're ready for it. Fun With a Pencil is geared toward people just starting out.

>>1878727

Running into this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tX7y9mu-lM&index=3&list=FLdeCmhaqfyOd29absnSd2uA

I notice at 1:55 they point out exactly how I'm drawing. Basically, using my wrist to make those very small lines and it looks off. I suppose using my shoulder to draw those lines will make things better.

But as I practice, I will ask this:
How do I go about drawing such lines and still remain slow? I know this sounds kinda of silly, but how do you draw slow?

Man this thread is dead today

>>1878932
learn to draw 3d shapes in perspective first, and the you can draw anyhting

>>1878754
thing get smaller when farther away, start by over exaggerating perspective it can help

>>1879052

you don't necessarily draw the actual lines slowly. you just spend a lit ma b it.f time thinking about the line before you make it.

>>1879081

*spend a little bit of time

wow no idea how i made that typo ew

Thoughts on the design? It's supposed to be a male version of the typical Magical Girls from anime

I tried copying then adding my own kick of style to this
Its Fillia so shes meant to be thicker
How'd I do?

Another stupid question about drawing with your shoulder. Would moving the entire arm = shoulder drawing? Or would actually moving my shoulder be considered that drawing?

>>1879117
>style
please dont use that word again for at least the next 5 years when referencing yourself.

>drawing airplanes and jets in hope it helps me with perspective and maybe even proportion.
>I hate machines

Well, at least I'll look like a pro for my family and friends.

>>1879117

You could start by constructing properly before adding your 'style' so you don't end with this mess.

I'm starting to understand proportions finally, I see improvement in my drawings, but I'm fucking up the vertical measurement. How I do vertical measurement?

Can someone explain the whole seeing vs knowing conflict? How do you cope with seeing something that doesn't match what you know?

In regards to the video "Dynamic Sketching I With Peter Han", I find this exercise very useful. Just finished reading Right Side of the Brain and was wondering if I should continue with Peter Han's videos while reading Fun with a Pencil?

>Need to draw head at certain angle
>Find reference
>Copy reference
>Need to draw a hard pose
>Find reference
>Copy reference
>Repeat for all other things I have trouble with

Am I learning correctly

>>1879233
Depends on what you mean be copy. Are you constructing what you're drawing from your references? Do you have a construction in place beforehand, and if so how accurate was it? Are you thinking about how you would draw all these things from different viewing angles? Are you thinking about the direction of the light source, and making sure the values used for your major planes reflect that?

how is my perspective?

Is it worth practicing the overhand pencil grip?

Drawing a straight line is harder than I thought.

>>1879253
I construct it, then I'm unsure about how the details are suppose to look. I'm always unsure about a lot of things so I look them up.

There are some types of curves that are hard for me to draw without going full fuzzy-lines mode. Any ways to practice my lines and curves you guys could recommend?

>>1879259
imho by far more powerful, doesn't take too long to grasp

>taking drawing seriously since few months ago
>take loomis books
>struggle for months, feel like giving up, cry like a brat
>spend months playing video gaymes and giving a fuck about drawing
>one beautiful day decide to draw again
>shitty drawings all over the canvas
>keep drawing shitty stuff
>last week
>watch sycra video
>he says begginers must work on proportions
>"well, what I have to lose?"
>pick up bargue book
>do few exercises for hours repeat for 5 days
>pick perspective this week
>do few exercises
>read sucessful drawing
>today
>pick up fun with a pencil
>[ scared ]
>start to sketch
>loomis start to make sense
>drawings don't look so bad
>strongest and happiest feel in years
Forgive me Loomis. You are a god, I'll never talk shit of you ever again.

>>1878903
Right eye is wonky

>>1879307
i used to think loomis was just ok, then i realized how much information was actually in his books and i was in awe.

there's a reason his books are a standard.

>>1879307
Aren't you supposed to start with "Fun with a Pencil" first?

>>1879340
not him, but i personally don't think so.

perspective and proportions should be kind of familiar before fun with a pencil.

>>1879352
which of his books explains proportions? and is that just human body proportions or how to measure shit in general?

>>1879307

>>1879353
All of his anatomy books talk about proportions.

>>1879358

Do people give up that easily? I guess it's believable seeing several threads about those asking if it's too late to draw and their average age of people this is around 20.

I actually just got into drawing (age 26), and I'm enjoying it quiet a bit. I'm taking art school next semester, and showing my teacher as to what I've done in a month, he's quiet impressed so I'm walking in with high hopes. All this just from watching vids of well known artists and guides offered from /ic/.

>>1879369
>going to art school

depending on what you're planning on doing you may have been better off going to an atelier but i suppose it's too late for that now.

>>1879307
speaking of bargue, there is an academy of realist art near me that uses that method to teach, it's affordable too. i'm just too much of a pussy faggot with anxiety to actually go sign up.

>>1879373
It's totally worth of overcome any fear you have anon. Bargue saved me.

>>1879372

It's not too late, as I haven't signed up for it. Unless you're talking about the atelier thing? However, living in Austin, TX, I can't seem to find a better option than taking art class in my community college. I hear really good thing about the teacher I've been talking too, but I feel like I need a tutor to help guide me in the right direction.

>>1879373

dude, man up and go there. i'd totally go if i could. it'll be worth it.

>>1879376

oh i was assuming that you were going to an expensive art school or someshit. in that case yeah that's about the best you can do.

>>1879379

Nah, I'm aware of all the warnings when it comes to art schools. I'm simply taking a course at my local community college in taking art. They do free figure drawings as long as you're a student, so that works (and I guess technically it's not free).

I'm looking at around $300 for the semester on that class, so it's not a big deal at all.

>>1879280
>doesn't take too long to grasp

apart from the botched vanishing points and all the other shortcomings, am I getting the right idea here?

that is all I want to know, if I'm getting the principle right, despite the distortion and actual implementation of it.

is the idea sound?
did I get the idea about vanishing traces for tipped shit correctly here?

>>1879404
hm now that I am not tunnel visioning it.
I think the VT of the red box should have gone down left instead of top right, since the top plane is closer to the viewer, right?

>>1879404

>4 vanishing points

what the fuck?

>>1879412
It's symbolic

>>1879412
>what the fuck?
inclined planes get a vertical VP because of reasons.

anyway, this still looks wrong but perhaps closer to the solution?

I'm trying to learn how to draw but I think I screwed myself over when I went straight to Fun with a Pencil (not that is a bad book and it was actually pretty good) instead of Keys to Drawing. Now I feel like I'm feel like trying to learn too much by looking at Norling (Perspective made Easy), Dodson (Keys to Drawing), and Hogart. What should I do?

how does the perspective on this look? the tower is supposed to be square if it matters

>>1879445
bleep

>>1879447
Completely fucked. Your lines are not aligned properly.

>>1879453
is it fucked up overall or are some of the 'cross beams' not parallel? because i was having a hard time with those

fuck this box + sphere combination, seriously.

>>1879445
You need to finish the background before that will look good. Tower curves inward, curve everything outward for an interesting effect

>>1879481
im aware of this. the rest was going to be a cloud study in the back (since youre looking up). overall i just wanted to see if the thing is in perspective because im apparently lacking. ill try to add the effect you suggested

anyone else want to comment on the perspective. i can see MINUTE details that are off but it seems okay overall, unless someone proves me wrong.

>>1879486
If you want it to work out for you, the top needs to be smaller and the bottom needs to be larger, like looking down that old dirt road into the origin of the leading lines.
You would see a difference if the object slowly moved to a central original and the background moved to another origin aimed slightly vertically.

As if this tower is reaching for a star, and the other towers reach for stars surrounding that building.

Point perspective is relevant. Your whole image should aim for the stars, in a uniform ether.

I've been drawing lines all day. When I close my eyes, all I see are lines.

>>1879495
It's all lines. There's no origin except for a fictional one that everything gravitates to.

>>1879497

I have faith in Peter Han's exercise. My lines are improving in terms of the line itself. However, I've yet to draw anything new just yet to see how effective the line exercise is. Moving on to the Arcs.

This is my first try at doing values with something that's not a basic primitive. I think I learnt a bit while doing it, though I don't think it's worth finishing.
It turns out that planning perspective before values is incredibly important.
>god, it's hideous

>>1879511
take out those hard lines and itll look better.

pretty cute character though

>>1879466
The lines on one of your heads are rather confusing. Not sure how new\relevant this is for you, but keep in mind that human heads, like anything else, obey the laws of perspective. Thus, the lines that I've indicated should generally roughly parallel (or converge).
Again, you might already know this, though. It's hard to tell from your other heads.

>>1879404

>>1879442
you have no business with hogarth but you should have no problem with the others

>>1878480
dont be afraid to go darker with the values

>>1878932
oh boy that image is too rich hahaha

>>1879561
But my figures are stiff as boards and I fucking suck ass at gesture drawing. I don't think Vlippu helped much.

Trying to draw just a straight line across my paper, wondering what causes me to random make small arcs as I go about making these lines. I know I gotta practice more in order to resolve this, but why does that happen?

Sometimes my start will just curve, or as I'm drawing a straight line, half way it'll have a small curve and continue on.

>>1879639
I'm assuming you're drawing from your shoulder and elbow, it takes practice.
Do exercises such as these to imrpove.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

>>1879639
if you extend your elbow your lower arm makes an arc, its how we are built. also, we aren't robots so we have difficult making exact movements exactly the same every time so it takes a lot of practice

>>1879658

That video is what I'm currently watching.
Like I said, it's getting better, but I'm unsure as to why it even happens.

>>1879661
That's for the insight, I'll keep at it then and try to get it as perfect as possible.

>>1879361
ah, thanks! i was hoping for something relating to measuring objects proportions general though

>>1876492
Guys Cmon, Take a part of this

>>1879683
But my gesture drawing is shit and I can't draw faces

>>1879684
You're never going to get good if you dont try

>>1879685
Cept I don't know what I'm doing wrong

>>1878479
cont from tonight.
Still looking for criticism. Are the 1mins getting the essence of gesturedrawing?

>>1879683
ill do the left one tomorrow

>>1879695
cont

whenever I draw I find myself leaning over my tablet
I draw on the couch because I dont have a table
After a while it really hurts
Im so damn determined to draw but Im in so much pain

>>1879705
fix your posture retard

i made the bottom a little wider and the top a little more narrow to help with the perspective. should i do it some more?

also, how do the clouds look? they are supposed to the clouds that go 'up' not sideways.

>>1879560
What I am doing, you ask me?

Why, putting out problems /ic/ cannot solve, of course.

My fault for posting in a beginner thread, though.
Tipped cubes and inclined planes are intermediate at the least.

how did I do with the anatomy and perspective?
Feels like Im getting a grasp at how to make it look more 3 Denominational around the shoulders and chest, Hips still look flat to me

>>1879864
it doesnt look 3d at all. its implied by the boob overlap and we 'know' by the way the torso is 'turned'. you need value and show and true depth in a drawing but dont even bother with this because you're anatomy is completely off too. do the studies that are posted in these threads, start measuring and checking proportion (use a ruler and calculator) for your level, check where parts are in relation to other parts horizontally and vertically, etc.

you appear to have good line control and arent chicken scratching though so thats good

>>1879874
*you need value to show true depth

>>1879718
Tbh it looks squeezed at the bottom,. Why make your life so hard on such an easy object man? Its a simble Box, even perspective 101 can explain it :X

>>1879883
because apparently im retarded and cant even into basic perspectiving. while my two vanishing points were decent i completely forgot about the one above it, so i decided to fix it. its really not that hard to fix but i dont want to put the effort if its acceptable. i plan on rereading norling and doing many more exercises that mix other stuff so i want to get it right

how bout those clouds tho

>>1879874
Implied is good enough for me right now, I haven't gotten Anatomy down yet. I was chicken Scratching last week, Ive been practicing real hard and have gotten better hand control, but I still do short strokes.

New >>1879913

Stop copying photos you fucking idiots. Draw from life.

If this thread was my atelier, you would all be banned.

>>1879948
Mad?

>>1879875
>you need value to show true depth
that's not true.
cross contour lines work just as well, if not better.
the rest is up to perspective.
hell, line weight can help too. light = far thick = near.

>Buy Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain Workbook
>Provided picture plain is flimsy even with cardboard frame
>Flexes and tips when I try to draw on it while it's balanced on my hand
>Not even the same size as the printed formats
This is seriously pissing me off.

>>1880575
Cross contour lines essentially are values.