/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

practice from imaginoo

>>1867402

>>1867460
Very boring. I've never seen any of your drawings have dynamic and exciting poses.

>>1867460
Stop drawing in your comfort zone and start drawing in perspective. Go get Perspective made Easy and study from it, draw a still life or two at different angles.

>>1867460
>>1867464
Also, where's the pole in the circled area?

>>1867465
Perspective made easy... i'll look for it.

>>1867464
agreed... gotta stop doing drawing junkfood.

not sure if it's a good place to ask

Is drawing from reference considered as plagiarism?

Some artists often say try to draw from reference, it can make your drawing looks better, but then come these retard people blabbing "hurr durr plagiarism" when they saw a lot of similiarity between the actual drawing and the reference, I know that some artist maybe often take reference in their drawing or even trace it after they get the permission.

So, what to do when this happened? just let them be?

>>1867478
Find a better reference, and everyone uses references it's not a big deal

>>1867490
>implying

>>1867478
is she underage?

>>1867402
Never thought I'd see that pic again, maybe I should reboot it.
Haven't done much except this and experimenting with sketching

>>1867517
I must add that I'm not too happy with how this piece turned out. Need to work on composition and value alot more.

>>1867478

It depends on the context.

If it's for personal study then use all of the reference you want.

If it's for professional work, especially published work, you have to be more careful. What is the reference and how are you using it? If you see a picture of a hand posted the way you want it then you'll be fine. If you use a copyrighted photograph for the basis for your figure drawing you can get into trouble. If the point of the piece is to replicate the photo with your drawing then it's fine, just make sure to credit the photographer. If you're just using it as a photoreference then it's more frowned upon.

When in doubt, shoot your own reference. Artists like Alex Ross, Tim Bradstreet and Alex Maleev use photo reference extensively but it's not plagiarism because they shoot the photos themselves and they're adapting their own work to another medium.

>>1867456
can you explain your rendering process ? Do you use a lot of lasso tool with big soft brushes and then make so hard edges with hard brush ?

>>1867520
Do thumbnails first to plan out the composition. Avoiding pure black/white might help keeping the values from getting muddy

>>1867478
>Is drawing from reference considered as plagiarism
No, it isn't, but it is considered cheap among many, myself included.
Instead of using reference to draw, get a firm grasp on foundation, nurture your visual library studying reference, and draw purely from imagination.
Algenplfeger does this.

>>1867592
>Algenplfeger does this.
You mean this fucking guy?
>>1863932

>>1867565
Which book is this from??

>>1867615
No idea, as you can see from the filename I just saved it from 4chan

>>1867615
I'm certain it's Loomis.
I'd probably say, Creative Illustration?

>>1867478
You really need to define how you are using the reference.

"Using a reference" is incredibly vague and can be anything from tracing the outlines to just checking how a specific part of the body in a certain pose and light settings looks to flat out copying everything.

The way you've used it here is ok, as you've just loosely taken inspiration for the pose. You could have actually paid more attention to some of the details as some parts of your anatomy are a bit wonky.

Somebody with hawk eyes might notice a similarity but they couldn't prove it. You've made it your own.

However my advice is to use an invented pose and when you've worked it as far as you can without refs, look at multiple references to push the detail to another level. This is better than directly copying, both in the art police sense and in the sense it will most likely look better too (at least once you've on a certain skill level. at a certain point references can become more limiting than helpful if you bring them too early to the process)

>>1867490
>>1867545
>>1867592
>>1867621
Thank you for the enlightenment.

So, anyone want a redline? Doing anatomy studies, trying to see if I know my shit. Pic related is my "cred" I suppose.

>>1867973
Saw that on /co/ ago

>>1868076
Yeah that was me, I've noticed a lot more anons post in both boards.

>>1867973

not bad

One day I decided to draw manga, but it's kinda confusing for me to start learning how to actually draw. I can make nice copies off of someone else's works, so I just tried that. They turn out to be not so bad, but I feel that repeating after somebody won't really help me in drawing from imagination. Am I going in the right direction and it would be better to use copies as a start, or is it better to try making original stuff right away? I'm lost.

>>1868111
make copies of your own drawings, but try to improve them.

>>1868112
All right, one more thing to ask
Starting from drawing heads and then trying anatomy, or everything at once?

>>1868117
not that anon, but take this chance to decide for yourself. Find what works for you, if you want to spend a month drawing hands then do it, there's no prescription for learning how to draw.

and no offense to >>1868112, but this is bad advice. you're not going to learn anything from copying bad drawings ( i'm presuming that your new and not too experience). It would would be more helpful to copy artist you like, reverse engineer how they make the images that resonate with you. Combine that with a grounding in figure drawing.

>>1868117
whatever u want. but if u only draw heads yuo'll mostly only get better at heads which means they'll look much better than bodies u choose to draw which will look strange

also, understand anon's advice of copying your own drawings loosely... but basically it's good advice. look at your art, try to figure out what's wrong, look at other people's good art to aid this, try to draw better
eg. u can't draw noses, fuck, u look at some noses, observe the lines other artists make, try to understand what they mean in terms of form, look at nose tutorials, try to draw some noses, repeat

>>1868112
>>1868145
>>1868150
Thank you all, anons, you really helped me to make up my mind.

How do I make head/face better? And everything else too. lol

>>1868184
>
just a tiny change, what d;you think

>>1868263
>that ear
ummm

>>1867520
Seeing WiPs like this makes me inspired always.
I wouldn't mind if someone posted more.

drawing jizz is deceptively difficult

>>1867611
>yes this fucking guy.
Believe it or not, he's able to draw purely from imagination and most of his work is done that way, he also photobashes, true, but only as a time saving shorcut, not because he's a hack.

>>1868360
>Believe it or not
Considering how horrible a good half of his paintings come out, with mangled anatomy and fucked perspective, I definitely have no problem believing it.

>>1868362
Better than what you can do I bet, and without refference.

>>1868360
>>1868383

Nah fuck that dude even newfucks can work out that the arm in the background is supposed to be shorter than the one in the front, not the other way around.

Hannes ate shit on that picture.

>>1868360
>he also photobashes, true, but only as a time saving shorcut
It's obvious from that thread that he's not any good at it though.

But I guess it's just more proof that photobashing ain't as easy as some people make it to be

>>1868360
also every time I see these progress things of him they seem to be developing with incredible promise at somewhere in the middle way through but he ends up ruining them with muddy colours and poorly contrasted values in the end.

And it's almost purely a compositional failure every time.

>>1868394
Most people end up ruining the image partway through, I know it happens with almost every single piece I've done. Hell, even Min Yum does that. Take a look at his process shots on his blog, 90% of the time the colour rough had a much better value structure and mood.

>>1868397
Yeah sure I have experience of that too. Which is half the reason I try to keep my compositions super simple these days (the other half is I'm way too lazy for these Sistine mega illustrations that realpros are supposed to churn out every other day)

>>1868332
>dat nose
Holy shit, I need to get my tissue

>>1868389
>What is foreshortening
>what is tilt
>what is orientation
>what is form
>what is volume
>what is depth
Hahaha, you're litteraly retarded.
Git gud punk.

>>1868332
muh dick
btw, knivesticles

>>1868332
>>1867973
You have a tumblr, and I think I'm following it...

I hope this sketch is not too bad.

>>1868536
Loosen up a bit, work on gesture and remember bottom of the ear is in line with the nose.

>>1868538
Thanks, I think the ear was properly aligned at first but then I made it shorter for no reason.

I will try to get better at gesture, it has been 2-3 weeks since I started doing figure drawings I'm afraid I neglected this area way too much

How am I doing?

>>1868543
Good do more figure drawing and watch how Vilppu does gesture however there is no "right" way of doing gesture so as long as you are able to describe what the figure is doing and is depicting a free flow movement. It is especially important how you build on top of the abstract gesture by building "forms on top of other forms" using simple shapes.

>>1868545
Her legs attach to her pelvis incorrectly which throws off the pose. The arm is also a bit awkward. Additionally it doesn't look much like liliana, at least from how I remember her.

>>1868528
maybe, you asking?

Watched batman of Shanghai, copied shanghai cat woman

Tried to walk the line between heavy inking and coloring
Also tried to background... Emphasis on "tried"

Sucks when I don't draw for several days, the first day back always feels like shit

>>1868717
nice backgrounds imo
simple and harmonical

>>1868717
>>1868721 is right, the Backgrounds work well.

>Sucks when I don't draw for several days, the first day back always feels like shit

Probably like that for most people. I try to draw at least something little every day, but sometimes it's hard to avoid missing a day.

thoughts on composition?

>>1868734
Maybe not have the sword point out of the composition. IMHO there's nothing really wrong but it sort of boring.

>>1868786
>sort of boring

if comp is sort of boring then everything is wrong with it.

>>1868734
her legs are totally wonky

have her lean more on her right knee and position her left foot about a foot to her left

the way you have it now makes her look off balance

>>1868565
Aye.
What is it

>>1868797
I'm saying that it's readable, I know what's happening and that's the bare minimum for composition.

>>1868808
sundryaddams.tumblr

>>1868734
It's fine for a panel but an illustration should make more of an impact.

>>1868812
>you
>dat joel guy

Oh boy

>>1868869
>are you implying I'm Jurion?

If so that makes my day, but I'm not nearly into little boys as he is though. I'm just some anon.

>>1867592
>considered cheap by many

[citation needed] [weasel words]

GTFO.

>>1868721
>>1868731
Thanks, uhhh any good refs for simple bgs? Looking for some that won't drain an entire marker. I was doing circles before, but those are kinda boring. I wanted to do buildings, but I think they might be too busy

>>1867621
what if i wanted to do a painting of the backstreet boys would i need to use reference for that?

>>1868936
why dont you just draw yo mama n me? here I can get you a reference of me all you need now is u mama.

>>1867620
yup, Creative Illustration page 86
>>1868536
Firez, you need to give your drawings more live, lots of gestures maybe?
>>1868734
The wolves appear to be on the middleground just next to her, so my attention goes to both of them, which i guess its not your purpose.
Holy shit my English just went to shit

>>1868940
Sorry, can't draw dudes :(

>>1868936
are you that guy that draws anime with a million copics? you need to stop doing so many finished pieces and do more sketches. with pencil, maybe.

>>1868940
aww dat fist much smexy <3

>>1869013
yeah i have big hands because im manly man

>>1869004
Yah, that is me

>do more sketches. with pencil, maybe
Cool, I'll do it this week. I was keeping up with inktober, but i got ahead of myself coloring too much stuff. It's hard to get a good metric on where one needs to focus their studies - thanks for the feedback!

>>1868560
>>1868545
Thanks. I should've corrected those errors before I scanned it in. I took a closer look at her costume to see if I could make it more accurate.

>>1868717
is this your way of learning? Copying?

>>1869168
Not that anon, buy copying can be a useful tool for learning

>>1869174
I agree... i just want someone to confirm it.

tried coloring, dunno what to do about hair

>>1869184
I'm no pro, but her legs seem as long, and as thick as her arms. And her head seems huge compared to everything else.

>>1868551
>>1868942

So far I've only tried Sycra's and Proko's approach, I will check up Vilppu's one too. Thanks

This is another sketch I made the other day, I tried to improve it

Sketchin.

For some reason I'm permanently banned so someone else needs to take over on making these threads its been fun

>>1869184
Try making sure your values are right. You can go a bit darker in the shadows, especially for areas like the armpit, buttcrack etc where not much light will get in. Also try to simplify more--the knees are knobbly and can have some simpler silhouette, the hair has all the strands drawn and can be massed etc.

>>1869227
Don't lie, you know the reason. You shitposted, didn't you?

>>1869258
i'd like to see the shitposting that gets you permanently banned (mlp maybe?)

op is a pedo

>>1869168
Ya, I copy all the time, it takes me too long to draw from imagination, and I just want to put something down on paper. The amount of copy varies a bit, my refs from last night are attached - mine never look quite as polished or as expressive...

>>1869277
Honestly you're not copying nearly as much as you claim to, everyone uses refs. Sure, you don't change that much about them, but it's still nowhere near 'just copying'.

>>1868332
>tumblr nose
>manly face
>oversized tits
That is gross and gay.

>>1869216
How do I loomis animes? Do I only have to make the chins more pointy?

>>1868734
nice

>>1869339
Are you the same guy from two threads ago?

I'm not sure how I feel about becoming recognizable enough to attract trolls.

>tumblr nose

I've never gotten a straight answer on what is tumblr nose, maybe you'd appreciate this?

>>1869355
You should skip outlines and focus on value masses for a while. That might help you drop that... thing... you have going on

>>1869363
here's some small tits too I guess.

>>1869363
I'm not a troll. Who the hell are you.

>>1869363
a tumblr nose is usually just a nose that is colored/painted very red to make the character look more quirky (as opposed to being red due to circumstances where a nose would in fact be very red, like when it's very cold outside)

it's just a stylistic choice but gets a lot of hate, though I suspect that may actually be more of a juvenile 4chan vs tumblr/boys vs girls thing

obviously your picture is not in color but the term gets thrown around a lot, so it's probably just because you draw roundish noses with a bit of shading

>>1869374
>implying it's a 4chinz vs tumbler thing
No, because it's gay and ugly. Only post zogllywood disney and feminists draw like that. Rounded nose is gay too. I consider rounded nose to be tumblerite as well. I don't know why it disgust me so much, probably because it makes them look not aryan at all, or whatever the hell it is I really don't understand the reason. Combined with hardcore pornography, you have no idea how much it disgusts me.

>>1869339
>manly face
yeah because real men have no chins rite

>>1869377
"rounded nose"
what the hell does that mean anyway. real noses are round, unless we're talking about michael jackson or something

need help with shoes please specifically the Jordans in the pic

>>1869396
just make a new layer draw a very rough sketch on it and adjust till you're satisfied before committing to detailing, you'll learn more rather than asking people to draw it for you.

>>1869094
i really like how this looks.. I'd really like to know your process or a an artblog if you have one

>>1868786
>>1868802
>>1868832
>>1868942
>>1869361
Thanks for the replies.

Here's my second attempt:

>>1869426
That's much nicer, the whole scene seems much more real/natural now.

Advice?

>>1869448
check your composition

what is that mushroom doing there in the corner and why is it the only fucking thing in the background asdfasdfasdf

Took almost 100 screen caps from shanghai batman animated short. Got some work cut out for me this week.

>1, 2, 3 - couldn't find the right pen combo to do what I wanted
>4, 5, 6 - the stars aligned, got some good practice in
>7, 8 - burned out, poses randomly got really hard...

Felt good to just not give a shit about finishing the figure and go for quantity. Thanks for the tip >>1869004, I have been having trouble with straight legs, it feels good to get some mileage in.

>>1869330
Ya I guess refs is a better word than copy. It's hard to make OC

>>1869448
Perhaps it's just me, but he seems to lean back a lot, like he has trouble with his spine or something.

>>1869364
What thing?

>>1869426
MUCH more engaging, I think that foremost wolf paw is kinda tense with the character's thigh however.

>>1869408
sorry i guess? i just wanted someone to give me tips not draw it but thanks for your tip

>>1869234

Thanks a lot! Your explanation is very nice. I tried applying it to the best of my ability, here's the result. I only didn't get the orange light in your paintover. And there's general feel that your shadows are warmer and mine look kind of dirty.

How's my webcomic, /ic/?

I swear I used loomis here, but I just suck.

>>1869727
Your next step is to use Loomis in perspective. This is essential without perspective you will not execute the Loomis correctly ever. Study linear perspective, go and find Perspective made easy and study from that book Loomis himself recommends it.

>>1869418
sorry, anon. don't really have one set up yet. Maybe in a month or two

>>1869363

Looks good man.

I never see you finish anything tho, how come?

>>1869730
>>1869730
I've been practicing perspective since highschool (still sucked though, not enough practice), but I though it was unnecessary in that webcomic, so I only used the ball and plane methid and a bit of doohinkus. I normally use perspective only on serious drawings.

>>1869739
If you cannot accept the importance of perspective, your success in drawing, regardless of style, will be limited.

>>1869727
facial symmetry

>>1869751
Alrightie then.

>>1869757
I can't even draw spheres correctly. Would be much easier if I had a tablet. I have no experience with tablets though, how do they feel?

critique pleas

>>1869775
Too fat.
Too much abs.
I dislike the face proportions.
But you sure can draw.

That's it.

>>1869211
I've always liked your way of painting Firez, and although Im no one to give you this advice, because atm I suck at coloring, you should try to push your values further unless you're doing a study.
>>1869357
Srsly Miku, please share the name
>>1869426
So much better

>>1869789
Do you want the entire set? I can upload it to mediafire and you should lurk /s/ to find good studies that's what I do at least.

>>1869796
>Do you want the entire set? I can upload it to mediafire and
Yes please, and I don't lurk /s/ too much tho, but I guess I will now

>>1869735
Yeah, it's commitment thing, I'm pushing myself to go farther.

Master studies from Warren sempai~

>>1869843
gross

>>1869844
p-post your work!

>>1869816
https://www.mediafire.com/?1mz8aeggr155d04

Should work

>>1869363
The face is awful, It doesn't look sexy at all. In fact, it looks the opposite of sexy.

>>1869263
>>1869263
here
https://www.4chan.org/bans

>>1869396
hang on, I got you homie

>>1869396
Wouldnt let me upload the pic, so you can have the link
http://i.4cdn.org/ic/1413172566517.png

>>1869580
That reminds me that i should do the same for DC, Meet Catwoman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEA9KX8fxNc

>>1869355
>that armpit

Bueno

>>1869365
>>1869843
>qt nose
>those DSL
>dat ass

Nigga, Im liking it

>>1869891
Reminds me of model ZX for some reason

quick sketch,any tips?

>>1869727
change the jew's line at "basterds" to "bastids"

>>1869885
>tfw you havent beenbanned for posting worse

Which mangaka draw the best feet?

Hentai or whatever, it doesn't matter.

>>1869907
Read the sticky. You're shit at drawing.

>>1870106
responses like this aren't really helpful dawg
>>1869907
Think about perspective more. If her body is turned towards us like that, would it make sense the way the dude and his dick is facing? Also, try to use reference a little bit more, her posture and positioning doesn't make much sense.

>>1869890
thanks bruh this really helps

>>1870128
No prob dog

o yiss, fellow pencil brush bro

>>1869775
o yiss, fellow pencil brush bro

I'm about ready to give up on this one. I bit off way more than I could chew and I have no idea why it isn't working. Can anyone maybe help me fix this before I call it quits and move on?

Am i good at drawing anna may girls yet?

>>1870191
Looks pretty good to me, maybe narrative is a bit lacking.

Help?

>>1870215

>>1870208
Fix the pose. Like seriously, if you try to get in that pose yourself you will feel how unnatural and uncomfortable it is, and you will fall backwards. Design-wise it isn't really fleshed out yet and isn't clear what it's supposed to be.

>>1870208
Pose is way too exaggerated. She looks like she's about to fall over.

>>1869448
Is this your OC cosplaying as that one Final Fantasy character? The one that talks to walls and fights dinosaurs.

need help on how to make things read better.

>>1870221
>>1870222
True. I'll restart the image. Should have planned better.

>>1870205
I guess i'm just a little frustrated I can only draw for about 20 minutes a day these days and I have to keep stopping when i'm in the groove of things and having to pick up a few days later not remembering where I wanted to take it.

I just decided to vent draw something else so I feel a little better now.

>>1869851
gr8! thank you!

>>1870191
I think you should desaturate that pink/magenta booth in thr foreground (or change it's color completely) because right now the saturation draws the eye away from the characters.
You use strong saturation like that only on important subjects you want the viewer to look at.

>>1870272
"you should use strong saturation like that only on important subjects" is what I meant to say

>>1870222
>>1870221
I tried fixing the balance issues. Also trying to keep things simple. Slightly less horrifying?

Anybody have good landscape ref from a similar perspective?

>>1867402
so what's wrong with this?

>>1870277
Dude, the problem is still there. Draw a line going from the top of the neck all the way through the spine. Look at that. Flip the image if it helps.

>>1870292
Boring pose and poor anatomy. I get no sense of who this character is, what she does, why she does what she does, etc.

>>1870292
what's wrong with the anatomy? Can you redline it?

>>1870292
why do you keep drawing a lot in front view? you really need to get out of that comfort zone.

>>1870306
I can't even get a front view looking decent... i'm not there yet.

>>1870308
that's a bad way to look at it. that'd be like trying to draw a perfect eye before drawing a face. You'll get a cool looking eye eventually, but then when you take the next 'step' your face drawings will actually be shit.

draw bodies from every view imaginable (through figure/gesture drawing). seriously. stop drawing only front view please. for everyone here that wants to see you improve

>>1870277
legs are too short, especially considering its aegis

>>1870237
she also looks strangely realistic (body proportions and everything)

I'm not sure what she's doing in this thread.

If the style was more cartoony the pose would be fine

>>1870292
>>1870301

>>1870277
I think the pose became worse actually. Just continue making her more toon-like and you're good I say

Please feel free to be as brutally honest as possible.

Tips would be nice.

>>1870382
are those thighs far apart or what

I try to imagine them connecting to the hip and I see one hell of a gap

>>1870313
WORD

>>1870388
Hm. I might have made them too far apart. I see. Next time I'll pay attention to that. Thanks.

>>1870292
asymmetrical, work on gesture/form

>>1869907
facial construction/symmetry

>>1870382
I really like it.

Looked up the animators of Batman in Shanghai, watched Kungfu Cooking Girls by Wolf Smoke. Went frame by frame and drew poses. Sometimes body parts got cut off, so I just guessed...

> 1-4 warm up
> 5-9 added more colors, tried to face on 5, fucked it up - gave up on faces for the night. I like 8 the best
> 10-14 western bitch girl was hard to draw. Redid 12 about 5 times - really having trouble with straight shots

Should probably practice faces, but these exercises are pretty entertaining, I'll ride this one out till I'm bored or run out of frames to reference

>>1870438
I like 8 and 9, they have nice form and they fit together. I like that post 9 is like a continuation of pose 8.

>>1869580
your problem is that you are referencing shit things. You was learning how to draw anime faces but you looked at anime instead of pro asian manga artists. you continue to reference anime wchih is highly simplified due to budget and has lot of issues that you wont spot when you look at it when it moves. You want to animate ? look at anime then you want to draw ? look at fucking ilustrators.

>>1870441
>9 is like a continuation of pose 8
Cool, I'll try to fit 2 consecutive frames in side by side. I've just been picking random frames

>>1870484
> pro asian manga artists.
Got any good name refs?

>You want to animate ? look at anime then you want to draw ? look at fucking ilustrator
Good questions, I don't want to do either for a living both seem stressful... I've never animated before, but I really want to try. Drawing is a pretty rewarding hobby, not sure about animation.

Someday, I want to work in Disney's imagineering department making rides and animatronics - unclear if drawing and animating are at all relevant

pshu

>>1870438

You make me jealous, Tableguy. I want to work as hard as you do

>>1869448
Hey bro. Besides composition it's mostly good but you should push the gesture a bit more because the pose is a little stiff.
The balance is a bit off, too. Try taking the pose yourself, noting how your legs compensate for the change in centre of gravity.
The other main thing is the unclear slight source. The torso, left and right arms suggest slightly different sources. If you're going for directly at him, it feels to me like both arms should be more obscured by shadow, particularly towards the bottom and rear of the left arm.

>>1870660
*light source
I'm fucking retarded

>>1870754

paint more opaquely and with a bigger brush

>>1870281
you should be able to ref without using the same perspective

>>1870191
>>1870272
Thanks for the tip. It is more of a placeholder if anything for now but i'll make the change when I get back to it.

I decided to take a break from that one because it's frustrating me too much to be fun at the moment. Can anyone thing I can do to this one to liven it up? Or just jarring mistakes that I haven't noticed?

>>1867402
waifu

>>1870759
>opaquely

??????

>doing hand and foot studies all day
>feel burn out, almost like I can't "see" straight and put the liness in the right spot
>take a break, come back and decide to draw some anime qt's
>skill in drawing qt anime girls has improved 1000%
>it's easy and fun and cute
damn it feels so wrong and so good at the same time, I can see why you guys love doing it

>>1870779
less transparency

>>1870785
>skill in drawing qt anime girls has improved 1000%

Show and tell not just tell.

>>1870789
Sorry, I would but I don't own a scanner and lost my digital camera. Drawing qt anime is satisfying in a guilty way though, I think I'll have to do it more often.

>>1870759

I usually do colour full opaque, but trying out different things and different brushes. This way was very quick for me, no sketch or anything, just straight into colour looking at ref.

tfw everyone ignores your work on this board. I must be getting better.

>>1870882
i know that feel. you're just mediocre, but it means you're on your way

>>1870882
That means you're boring.

>>1870882
>>1870904
there are actually several reasons to get ignored here.
As you guys said, one is being bad/mediocre, people don't usually pay attention to these artists cause we have a sticky full of resources and whatnot, and anything they might need to learn is in there.
Another reason is kinda being the opposite, when people have a modicum of skill and a solid grasp on foundation,it's harder to critique them. Some people only take the time to critique you if they can bombard you with insults about how bad you are, and, since there aren't any major fundamental mistakes, they are left with the option to critique the subject matter, and that's as shallow and irrelevant as "I don't like it" or "nice".
There is more but I just realized I wasting my time wirting this shit, I don't want to delete it since it would feel like a bigger waste, so yeah.
Going bact to draw.
pic unrelated.

>>1870950
back*

thoughts?

>>1870955
Thumbnail looks okay, but ip close it is horrendous.

>>1870955
what are theyeven doing

>>1870961
Milking trees.

>>1870955
dumping some others

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>>1870962
well at least you have imagination

>>1870955
>>1870963
>>1870965
>>1870967
>>1870968
these are all interesting, but the execution kind of falls short. I kind of get the feeling the skill probably is there but you could spend more effort on each piece

>>1870971
Thanks. I'll give them all another pass.

>>1870928
That's probably true. But probably not the whole story.

>>1870904
>>1870950
I think I fall in the latter category. My work is still severely lacking, but I know enough that most of the people that frequent on here wouldn't know how to critique my work easily with a simple "push the pose" There are some that can help me but they are few and far between at this time of day.

I'd like to think I'm in that weird in-between phase. Which is cool because when I came here a few months ago people let me have it when I posted, which helped. So it's also not cool because I'm not getting anymore help when I know I still need it.

>>1870969
>Where does Maple Syrup come from?

>>1870772
nigga thats qt

>>1870950
true
true

>>1869363
>>1869365
fundamentally there isn't much wrong with your drawings, but some of the style choices are on the unattractive side, as far as lewd goes.
also I've seen some of your penetrative stuff and the vagina hole is too far forward in a lot of them, try studying the pelvis.

I was just doing something I shouldn't (i.e. thinking) and realised that the reason why it's hard to get aroused by your own work is probably because looking at your own drawings is a bit like just imagining those scenes in your head. And it always looks better in your imagination than it does on the paper.

Porn is at its best when it gives you new ideas, and those can only come from other people.

>>1871031
When I was a kid I drew porn and burned or destroyed it after masturbating, cause it was horrible.

I was a weird kid, also not sure why I'm even sharing this.

>>1871024
I saw the hip thing, did some fixes.>>1871068

>some of the style choices are on the unattractive side, as far as lewd goes.

How so, for future reference.

Assignment for class, still tightening things up. Would love some feedback!

>>1870969
>he didn't go to a maple syrup ranch for school trip

>>1871074
Pretty solid. I do wonder though if the man with the pocket watch is important to the narrative since he pops so much from the crowd? I'm feeling like he's supposed to be innocuous, but he doesn't recede like the background characters, giving him equal focus with lil orphan annie.

>>1871077
Those were the best. When they pour the syrup on the snow and then let you eat it...sweet jesus it's good.

how do i do line art? can someone help me out or point me to the right direction?

>>1871078
The idea behind the piece is that the rich ladies and gentleman pass by the girl without notice because they all have more important things to do, but the animals don't, so they comfort her. I wanted pocketwatch guy there to show that he's thinking about wherever he needs to go instead of helping.

Visually, however, I agree. I think I'm going to try to drop his coat back so that it's not competing so much.
Thanks man!

>>1871081
atm it looks like he's some creep about to pick her up in some kind of dark pygmalion rape story.

sort of like what's going on in the flashbacks of boardwalk empire if anyone still watches that.

>>1871085
welp, that's what I'm drawing now

>>1870277
Don't kill me plz. Still working on it
I like to over complicate things, so I'm simplifying things by painting over solid color. Pretty sure the balance issue is gone too

>>1871127
it looked a lot better earlier

>>1869789
Thank you, I'll try to keep that in my mind.

One of my issues while doing stylization is that most of the time I feel like line or 2 tones is not enough (at least for me) to convey what I want to convey so I end up rendering almost without realizing it and since I don't want to ruin the stylization I end up half-assing the rendering.and not pushing my values in a proper way. Obviously this is not a problem while doing studies/realistic stuff.

For instance pic related started as a line only drawing and I wanted to finish it in that way but at some point I decided that some parts were not very convincing and I started rendering.

>>1869789
Thank you, I'll try to keep that in my mind.

One of my issues while doing stylization is that most of the time I feel like lines or 2 tones is not enough (at least for me) to convey what I want to convey so I end up rendering almost without realizing it and since I don't want to ruin the stylization I end up half-assing the rendering.and not pushing my values in a proper way. Obviously this is not a problem while doing studies/realistic stuff.

For instance pic related started as a line only drawing and I wanted to finish it in that way but at some point I decided that some parts were not very convincing and I started rendering.

>>1871074
nice

I feel like it's boring
redline?

>>1871237
This looks so uncanny, maybe it's because of that super long nose or the eyes are too far apart?

Busy with Halloween stuff, but took a short break to draw something so I could check in

These are fun to whip out so I can get a quick fix, otherwise I'd go through withdrawal...

>>1871303
>Brekkist?

she/it seems to be sitting on ness' legs and not his pelvis.

>>1871338

What paper are you using?

>>1871338
You should get into construction, perspective proportions and gesture.
Copying stuff will nurture your visual library, but unless you get your fundamentals down, you wont be able to profficiently draw from imagination.
>inb4 defensiveness

>>1871352
>dunning-kruger advice

Everybody knows this already, and I'm pretty sure he does too.

>>1871354
>everybody knows this already.
Then why he isn't doing it? Granted, the copies he produces might serve as "studies" to an extent, but he doesn't have his fundamentals down.
Sorry man, but, telling someone to reinforce fundamentals they lack is not "dunning kruger advice" whatever the hell you mean with that.
(And no asshole,I know what's the dunning kruger effect, I just don't completely get the expression) .

>>1871364
Not neither of the guys, but construction, form and all that jazz has its own time and place, but so do energy and gesture.

Also you don't necessarily need to get one fundamental down 100% before moving on to the next thing, you can juggle multiple at the same time.
Also drop the hostile attitude, no one is being an asshole.

>>1871354
>everybody knows that
>15 minutes could save you 15% or more on car insurance.

Well did you know that the Great Wall of China wasnt always so Great?

>>1871364
>Then why he isn't doing it?

Maybe he does. Maybe those are boring and he doesn't want to post them? Who knows, but every time someone says "work on your fundamentals" to someone who isn't a complete beginner, I cringe a little bit because it's fairly obvious that they have worked/are working on their fundamentals, it's just that they don't post that kind of work here because it's boring. It's the most generic and the "easiest" critique you can give anyone. That's why I called it dunning-kruger advice because it's the kind of advice that people say when they think they know better than the artist they are critiquing.

>>1871367
except it's great at keeping niggers like you out during ancient times.

superior checkmate

>>1871303
I have no idea about the subject matter or the characters but she seems to be floating not sitting, give her weight.

>>1871366
Table guy needs to buckle up and get his fundamentals down to be able to study and practice propperly, that's all I'm saying.
I'm actually surprised by how almost no one tells him this.
>becuz he knows
No he doesn't, like seriously, I'm not even trying to shit on him, he really needs to understand the underlying foundation of what he's doing.

Also
>Also you don't necessarily need to get one fundamental down 100% before moving on to the next thing, you can juggle multiple at the same time.
The thing is that tableguy is not jugging anything, he's just copying stuff, and he will improve, sure, but at a snail pace compared to how would it be if he actually studied foundation.
Also, Never did I say nor implied that you should learn things in certain order or whatever.

>>1871371
>Maybe he does
No he doesn't, and if he does, he's not doing it right, it shows in his work.
>because it's fairly obvious that they have worked/are working on their fundamentals
Not true, there are people that slowly improve by drawing a lot without studying foundation, they might get some bits of fundamental knowledge here and there, but ultimately they don't know what they're doing, table guy does this.
> It's the most generic and the "easiest" critique you can give anyone
In the end it's the only kind of critique that doesn't deviate to subjectivity, literally, there's nothing beyond "you lack this knowledge, go learn it", anything else is just preferential, nitpicky or incomplete advice.

>>1871342
I'm not Brekkist but he is my boyfriend.
>>1871375
I tried to make her floaty because she floats... It's the final boss of mother
I'll try to make it more obvious, and I think I'll give her a profile view of her face instread.

Trying to make the color/light right , just from imagination

>>1871074
I like it.

Having such a dark value as the black coat at the side of the image isn't ideal in terms of composition. The dirty water also doesn't really read like water/fluid at first glance, it almost looks like fabric or concrete - but don't make it too shiny either, that would draw the eye towards it.

>>1871379
>Table guy needs to buckle up and get his fundamentals down
>I'm actually surprised by how almost no one tells him this.

Probably because he's still in a phase were the most important thing is to simply draw a lot. Fundamentals may be fundamental, but they're actually not the very first thing you need to learn.

I mean I agree with you that it would benefit him but I believe it's important that one actually wants to learn these things because otherwise it's just frustrating and might cause people to lose interest or draw less and that would be far worse in terms of hindering improvement.
I'm confident that sooner or later he'll want to learn these things anyway if he keeps drawing.

>>1871127
The hips are level, which makes it read like they're being thrust forward. I think what you might be going for is the pelvis leaning slightly to one side. If that's the case, raise the pelvis above the straight leg and lower it for the outstretched leg.

Again, flip the image. Try to strike the exact pose yourself in front of a large mirror.

>>1871347
>What paper are you using?
Cheap copy paper stolen from work, I use cardstock to mitigate bleeding when I'm in the mood for turd polishing

I enjoyed reading your discussion, I'll chime in on a few points
>>1871352
>wont be able to profficiently draw from imagination
This, everything you said is true, it is really hard for me to draw from imagination.

>inb4 defensiveness
I don't think I'd ever argue with /ic/ it's an unwinnable battle

>>1871387
>ultimately they don't know what they're doing, table guy does this
Ya, I don't know what I am doing. I trial and error until it looks right to me, so until my eyes can better discern quality, I am mostly using quantity and feedback from anons to learn

>>1871516
>still in a phase were the most important thing is to simply draw a lot.
I think you said it better than I ever could

>sooner or later he'll want to learn these things anyway if he keeps drawing
Ya, one day when I look back, I'll want to kick myself

>>1871379
>becuz he knows
>No he doesn't
It's a combination... I know what should be studied, but I don't know why. In school, while you are being taught you don't realize why you need to know X you just swallow the pill and learn it, you only see why X was important years later.

I am disciplined enough to draw regularly, but not enough to pick fundamentals over guilty pleasure drawing. It's like I need to eat my veggies instead of just having dessert

>>1871311
Better?

>>1871629
I think you should move the nose up a bit

>>1871629
Hi hi Firez, right now she has that thousand yard stare or a surprised but blank look on her face as well as a little bit of lazy eye (cross eyed). Her brow line is a bit too high as well and even with my edit it still seems just a bit too high and it still holds a little bit of that thousand yard stare but hopefully it will help you get the idea.

Keep at it

>>1871629
Make her eyes focus on something right now they are staring at nothing.

>>1871640
Oh what the heck I moved the eyes down further so you can see what I mean better.

>>1871644
So apparently Firez Syndrome is contagious since even anons who try to help him start posting the same shit over and over. Friendly reminder to wash your hands after handling this thread.

>>1871707
At least somebody's posting something. Instead of complaining, post your own art and add some actual content to this thread.

>>1871707

this lol

>>1871707
>Someone is helping someone else that I don't like!

>Abloo-bloo-bloo.

>>1871516
Drawing in massive quantities without having a grasp on foundation is ultimately futile.
I'm not saying that he should stop doing what he likes and focus mainly on foundation, getting good is a matter of mileage too, but he at least should give one day of focus per week to his foundation.
Also, I don't think anyone ever reaches a phase were they shouldn't draw a lot.
>>1871575
Don't feel discouraged or anything, I'm just trying to help.
But you now, you gotta eat those veggies every now and then if you want to grow strong.

>>1871707
but his fix is good fuck off.

>>1871737
>Drawing in massive quantities without having a grasp on foundation is ultimately futile.

I think that's a very pessimistic outlook on things. Fundamentals are called fundamentals because they are needed for everything, but on the other hand that also means that it's hard to draw a lot without figuring at least some stuff out on your own.

I think the best comparison would be grammar in language learning. Most beginners loath grammer because it seems like just a set of boring, overly complicated rules to memorize. Now you can learn quite a bit of a language without reading up on grammar simply by imitation (children usually do that, after all) and you can even figure out some general rules yourself, but if you're serious about language learning you'll eventually realize that grammar is an attempt to explain reoccuring patterns and learning them can speed up your progress. At the same time, you'll never be able to speak a language simply by memorizing vocabulary and grammar rules, you need to practice using them actively.

So basically I agree with the rest you said but think he has to come to the point where he understands why fundamentals are useful himself. I mean it's good to tell him so he knows they exist, I just don't think he'll actually listen - I sure didn't when I was younger.

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>>1871765
This buttsucker is right. I used to have sex with my mom everyday until I finally figured out that these arent just rules theyre tools only bitch so fuck that shit right off unless you want to get slapped upside the head by a 2x4 you wheatie eatin son of a btich hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.

>>1871765
Not the anon you're talking to but I've learned two languages (English and my native one) without ever bothering with grammar. More so, I've learned to play several musical instruments without learning music theory. Drawing is quite different though, because "learning" fundamentals is not just memorizing the rules but is the very act of focused practice.

>>1871772
I think it was Marshall Vandruff who said that if you can learn to SPEAK then learning the fundamentals of drawing is perfectly attainable, making the point that learning to speak a language is actually more complex than drawing, since drawing is based on visual logic and spoken language is a bit more complex than that.

>>1871773
Because drawing is basic but speaking a language is very cool complex. The complexities of learning a language is so cool and complex! But Fucking Drawing, Haha, Dude. Basic Fuckin Shit Man.

>>1871768
are you using cintiq?

something feels off about it but i'm not sure what.
any tips?

>>1871772
Sure, I learned English myself by playing MMOs on international servers and like I said, children learn that way as well.
I do think the same is true for drawing, you can get good simply by imitation and drawing a lot because you'll figure out the principles eventually on your own, but you can speed up the progress by reading up on them and doing targeted exercises.
Of course, that's just my theory and if I have learned one thing it's that every artist has their own.

>>1871777

What about those Deviantart threads we see where they draw the same anime face template for half a decade and achieve absolutely nothing? and some of them seem pretty dedicated.

>>1871775
no, a wacom graphire

>>1871779
Are they really dedicated though? I've always suspected that it only seems that way because they upload everything they do. That might seem a lot compared to someone who shows only their best work, but it's not actually that much in pure drawing time compared to someone who draws 4-8 hours a day.

Secondly, I think they usually don't bother imitating better artists or even so much as looking at others work critically, and both these things are pretty much key to such an approach.

>>1871776
It could be the dead expression, giraffe neck, or the peculiarly straight shoulders.

>>1871644
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>>1871715
>>1871768

Thank you guys for the support, I hope this is an improvement.

>>1871644
>>1871710
>>1871715
>>1871768

Thank you guys for the support, I hope this is an improvement.

>>1871859
Her eyesockest are just too huge and too far apart.
Try to think about the skull underneath.

>>1871859
i think the problem w/ the eyes is that they're disproportionately stylized compared to the rest of the face and the result is really jarring.

>>1871859
Hey Firez, I did some quick modifications with the liquify tool and airbrush (i don't have my tablet with me) but I tried to adjust some of the proportions.
Overall, I think the eye sockets were too large and far apart like another anon said.
The pupil and iris direction is crucial for avoiding the staring look. I'm not sure I fixed it entirely, but I hope you get the idea.
Keep it up!

crit pls

>>1871936
...and then she farts!

Back again with this, looking for a retroactive critique. I posted the final a week or so ago to a remarkably cold reception, and it was recently added to a collection filled with pictures of guys, not girls, in their underwear. While I can hardly call it good I thought it was all right, so I'm just wondering where I went so wrong with it.

I asked this about once a month and it keeps working for me.

What would you guys suggest you do to get good?

One thing that has worked for me is drilling anatomy videos, and doing several 5 minute drawings and pushing for detail and good proportions.

>>1871975
Constant study and practice, making sure I cover all my bases before proceeding further. Working directly on my weaknesses to avoid the comfort zone

>>1871965
I kind of like it actually, but it seems somewhat inconsistent. The body is nice but the face and hands look amateurish in comparison, both in terms of anatomy as well as shading. Her left (our right) arm looks flat too and her ears are completely different from each other - in fact, if that's a 3/4 view it's kind of odd for them both to be visible.
Lighting is inconsistent as well, the sofa has some pretty strong highlights on the shadow side - maybe you were going for reflected light but in that case you overdid it.

>it was recently added to a collection filled with pictures of guys, not girls, in their underwear.

Well, the combination of short hair, a masculine hairline, strong make-up and underwear that is not only a more typically male style but also looks rather filled out for a girl might have made people assume she's meant to be a crossdressing dude or a trans girl.
It's not so much the individual things I listed but the amount/combination.

Hope this helped you somewhat.

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>>1871921
Thanks again, I suppose I still can't for the life of me make an appealing stylization. Maybe mixing realistic rendering and exaggerated features isn't something I should be doing specially if I'm only making stuff up.

I will try to keep your advice in mind and try something more down to earth thing next time.

>>1871990
Maybe try cell shading your stylized stuff? That way you can't accidentally over-render it into creepy territory and cell-shading can actually be good practice since you need to make very clear/accurate descicions in terms of shadows.

>>1871127
Me again. :|

>>1871998
Her legs are too short, bro.

>>1871994
Yes, maybe I should try that one of these days.

However I can't help but think that my past related attempts have had some few redeeming qualities that I'm still trying to make them work as a whole.

>>1871998
I like this one the best.

>>1872032
Yeah, the one with the dark haired girl in the snow is actually my favourite piece of yours. It's just that since you have such a tendency to overrender it might benefit you to try the exact opposite fo a while, then maybe when you return to doing stylized rendered stuff you'll find a good in-between.

>>1872032
dont give up firez!

>>1871998
careful with values anon

post more

>>1872032
HARD EDGES

New Thread: (Apparently I didn't get banned)

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