/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

no real work, just practice. Working my way thorugh my first book

Total begginer, did some Loomis FWAP and first chapter of "keys to drawing" Dodson, only been drawing for a month or two.

I understand that there is a lot off with proportions and values, and I'm trying to take notes of what is good/bad.

Feedback appreciated!

>>1864908
Whatttttt no more beginner studies? I liked seeing all the participation

>>1864908
Thanks, this was just the picture I neeed.

>>1864930
Very nice! Keep it up! Drawn with a tablet?

>>1864939
Its not that bad, the angles look a little off in some places.


Also, I'm studying the Loomis book, and i'm doing somewhat ok (pic related)
I have reached the part with drawing bodies. Between page 54 and 55 it feels like someone removed 10-15 pages. The frontal and proportion part is ok, then there is a huge skill gap. I feel so let down. Any tips from someone who was in same situation or something?

>>1864943
Well, do you guys wanna give this one a go?

>>1864965
Found better res

>>1864956
Thanks m8, I'll keep the angles in mind!

As for your pictures, I think you should try drawing eyes without that much "detail" and maybe a little lighter/more simple.

Dropping in a few more, I already know that I'm bad, would just like feedback on what I can improve/concetrate on.

>>1865002
look for some nose and eye tutorials. If you want it quick go look up proko on youtube and his according videos to those subjects. you are symbol drawing the eyes, meaning you just draw the form without realizing that the eye in fact is a sphere enclosed by eyelids.

>>1864908
weird I just saw that video the other day

>>1864975
Alright I tried just for fun
Am this nigger >>1864930
Dis 3hard5me at the moment, I have no idea where / how to start or how to correctly work my way down the arms/legs with the right proportions... I just went with it SOMEHOW, heh

Ima just jump back into mah Loomis book

>>1864975
Second try at this photoshop thing, the proportions are clearly off (especially the head) but I kept polishing away at this turd like the scrub I am. How do you fuckers make your shit look incredible in like 10 strokes fuck sake.

Am I getting into art for the wrong reasons? I really want to draw naked girls, realistically and cartoons . Is this good enough motivation for me to continue on with this drawing escapade or should I give up?

>>1865216
Do you enjoy drawing? If no then you'll probably never get there and just waste time/effort.

>>1865218
I actually do enjoy drawing, but I am not at the skill where I want to be at. Guess I will chug along forward.

>>1865216
nah bro, that's exactly the right reason. I have a theory that the best male artists are the ones motivated by their dicks. that's what will push you to learn everything about anatomy and figure drawing.

Be honest with me
I didn't watch or read any tutorials beside some bout photoshp

>>1865277
Why are you doing this
why are you wasting time messing around
you could use this time learning

>>1865277
Read the sticky

>>1865280
I just started scribbling around 2 days ago, I have a Bamboo Tablet because I used it for something else some time ago, I'm not yet sure if I want to spend hundrets of hours reading books or something

>>1865277
>I didn't watch or read any tutorials beside some bout photoshp
Read the sticky. No one on /ic/ will be able to help you and trying to is a waste of time when the best resources are already posted. Follow the books and then you can post your practice here. Once you start the books we will actually be able to help you.

>>1865284
Spend at least one hour, then post what you've learned. I guarantee there will be improvement

>>1865286
>>1865287
I'm reading the sticky but it's mostly telling me to buy books that tell me how to draw

>>1865292
.pdf man

>>1865292
>what is a torrent

>>1865334
illegally downloading 'stolen' materials

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The thing about the sticky is that it is shit. Long ago in a distant land floating in the sky, /q/ mods came to /ic/ to discuss how to answer the most frequently asked questions to put it all in one convenient sticky because /ic/ "gurus" were over on /q/ complaining about how to improve the board. D/ic/ks both young and old, newb and unnewb (though mostly newb) came together to pitch in what they think was the ultimate diversi--I mean guide for other newbs to follow. They called this guide...the Sticky.

The sticky is a pile of unhelpful BS that recommends BS all to confuse you. If you want advice, don't look for /ic/ to get it.

Is there an alternative to loomis? I really dislike his style and I wouldn't enjoy drawing those silly heads which I believe would just hinder my learning.

Or should I just skip it and do the other stuff? I'm at a level where I can copy pretty decently but I'm not able to draw from memory even if my life depends on it.

Finished "Fun with a pencil" and now i would like to do "Figure drawing". The thing is I have somehow small problems by copying figures like those (pic related).
Should i just redraw until I'm satisfied with it or continue? The lines are hard to copy tho

>>1864975
How bad did i do?

>>1865353
Fun with a Pencil isn't as good as Successful Drawing and Figure Drawing For All It's Worth, IMO. If you jump to either of those books and it goes over your head, then consider going back to Fun With A Pencil.

If you don't like any of those, there's a ton of other resources to learn from linked in the sticky.

I would love a critique on what I have so far.

>>1865277
This guy here again, because I don't know where to get dem illegal ripped PDFs I at least watched some youtube videos and tried again.

>>1865374
I also found loomis figures hard to copy, try is just focusing on getting the proportions right, even if that means just drawing stacks of heads and measuring them a few times, the whole point of loomis is construction so the contours aren't important.

>>1865406
this is an 18+ board

>>1865423
Sounds like you're wrong here then

>>1865406
Don't waste our time.

>>1865406
Spend a week or two with Loomis then come back. This here is bullshit.

>>1865406
http://www.mediafire.com/view/qyf18qhlr7447re/figure-drawing.pdf

http://www.mediafire.com/view/916qua2728hdfu3/Funwithapencil.pdf

>>1865431
Thanks I'll check those out

Hey guys,
I'm new to this art thing, but i have always had kind of talent for it (not to praise myself too high).
I've been drawing a lot when i was a kid, but have had a break for like 8-10 years. I design websites, brochures and the likes, but no real drawing.
I like drawing by hand, but as i already spend a lot of time in Photoshop, i think it would be cool to draw something in there as i have many awesome ideas for paintings/images. But i dont know how to get startet. If you have a total newbies guide or website i could use, i guess i will be able to figure out the rest for myself.

Pic related, something i made this evening.

>>1865426
>>1865429
You don't have to be TOTAL dicks, this is the beginner thread

>>1865406
Check out the book thread for free books >>1843955
Keep practicing, and get some mileage in. Try to post once a day with your studies instead of several intermediates. It should keep angry anons from yelling at you about shitting up the thread...

Quick question: when I'm drawing something close to me (1-2 ft away) should I keep one eye closed when drawing it?

>>1865434
sticky

Here's some stuff that I usually do, gestures from imagination. Working from Hamptons book.

Is this an inefficient way of practicing or no? My main focus right now is being able to put down convincing gestures.

>>1865465
sorry

>>1865441
If it helps, then go for it.

>>1865405
Tiny head is tiny.

Since you're a beginner, I'd focus on getting all of your shapes correct. For your big shapes and all of your smaller shapes, establish them with straight line segments instead of curves. Don't use curves at all until the very end. Line segments make it much easier to judge lengths, angles, and positioning.

This idea is shown somewhat in the shapes section here, but I'd give the whole thing a read:
http://www.erikgist.com/ErikGist_WattsAtelierFigureTutorial.pdf

>>1864908
re that picture. i'm just getting to stage now where i notice that some of my drawings have that "special thing" he's talking about. only some small things though. no finished works as of yet, except for some studies of movement i did, but they're pretty simple too. and i don't think anyone else likes em :p pic related, gradients get a bit fucked by converting for web so imagine it a bit smoother.

>>1865510
it's a prop spinning around in case you need to know what the subject is to understand how it's about movement

Having trouble with gesture. First time trying gesture drawings. Any good videos on it? I just understand that I'm not supposed to be thinking about the anatomy...and to use mostly curves.

I was bored so i drew this, not really sure if there's much a point of doing this kind of study

>>1865498
Thanks!

>>1865522
I tried doing some more. I didn't really time myself since I'm barely starting out with gesture drawings.

Wondering if I'm getting the hang of it.

Numbered them in the order that I did them.

Still working on hands, I don't know how fingernails and skin works.
>>1864586
>>1864759
Any advice for that question about the double-click jitter?

>>1865406
Have you watched this one yet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4nTEgET9DA

You don't want to copy it exactly, but it's important to remember.

>>1865465
>>1865466
I was hoping to get some sort of input from this, if someone could.

>>1865417
Alright mate

>>1865567
there's not much to say really. everything looks like it's by a noob but it doesn't look like it's shit. so basically keep it up.

make sure you do actual pieces with compositions as well as filling pages like this.

composition is the art in art.

so i worked on these a little more and here's what i came up with. looking for criticism, feedback blahblah

>>1864833
>>1864831

>>1865350
>you will never be this beginner

>>1864908
Yes, thank god! For Common-sense/knowledge other then my own. Can't stress how many times I've had to tell this to ppl.

>>1865675
Got it, thanks anon.

Need halp

>>1865558
double click jitter ? what the hell are you drawing in ?

>>1865756
paint.exe, is there something I can do for it?

>>1865761
should I just spring for SAI if I don't want jittering?

Also fuck how does this even work I can't

>>1865763
Are you drawing with a mouse ? there is no reason not to jump to SAI so go for it.
Tablets tend to not recognize paint as drawing program thats why they start acting like a mouse ( drawing straight lines from point A to B on double-clicking ).

Been trying out different brushes for the first time other than hard and soft round, they look nice somewhat but it doesnt look right

>>1865766
alright.
Any advice for practicing faces other than force yourself to practice?

>>1865778
If you don't want to force yourself to the theoretic book stuff you can always draw from life (e.g. draw beautiful people from photos) and draw as many different faces (young, old, fat etc..) as you can, so you can train your observation skills. Sooner or later you'll get a better and better hang of it but that is the harder route in my opinion.
You might end up drawing stuff that you may enjoy much more but progress will come a lot slower I think. I'd highly suggest you at least give loomis face drawing book (free as e-book, yo) a shot since he has a nice technique to construct a face/head from any angle with getting all the proportions right

It's actually starting to look like what it's supposed to look, I didn't think that just a an hour by doing what a book tells me could do this much difference

>>1865822
Please don't use fun with a pencil. It's terrible.

>>1865829
Why?
Aside from the fact that I'm only drawing surreal Geezers it's kinda helping, I also don't have any other books and was linked it right in this thread

>>1865512
that's not how it would look at all dipshit

>>1865552
too much contour, not enough pushing the gesture

>>1865380> Also
Any critique? ;-;

First time shading, not really sure what to do here.

Should I be drawing out the contour of stuff before shading?

A wooden ball and some a small section of my bed sheets

First time shading, not really sure what to do here.

Should I be drawing out the contour of stuff before shading?

A wooden ball and some a small section of my bed sheets.

Sorry the last pic was rotated

>>1865822
Yo where the fuck are the other 16 heads that you were supposed to draw prior to that one ? Everything step by step pic with blue lines is training material that you are supposed to draw and practice on.

Also remember the segment from the sticky guide about the chicken scratch ? If not read it up again. Use long brush strokes with a lot of confidence and think in advance where you have to put that next line.

>>1865829
Fun with a Pencil is the best thing for any beginner. It teaches the basic use of shapes, how to construct (cartoony) faces and slowly leads to real faces which will make it a lot easier to get started with drawing the 'real' Loomis heads later on. Small basic rundown on facial expressions, lots of examples to train on, more fucking shapes, basic perspective, figure, clothes etc..

True, if you want to get good in any of those subjects, the book is insufficient, but that's why there are books that cover every single one of those subjects in detail.
But for noobs who want to get into drawing, having a bit of fun and want to get a grasp of some aspects about drawing, its an ideal book.

>>1865849
I draw all the other heads I just didn't post them, and yes I read the chicken scratch thing but without any colour or shading the head looked reaaaally bland

>>1865838
He's off balance, need more practice on gesture. Also paint more opaquely.

>>1865850
eh? you can still add colour and shading without using chicken scratch lines. confident single strokes will give your drawings energy, chicken scratch lines make your drawings amateurish and bland.

>>1865850
chicken scratch is the ugliest shit ever

>>1865868
i used to think chicken scratch was the artsy way to draw and that people who didn't do it had not clue what they were doing.

It seems to me I can't get better at drawing even a simple circle with my tablet, is it better / easier to start on paper as a complete beginner? Because you look at the same thing you draw instead of looking at the screen etc.

>>1865956
It might help a bit to practice with paper for that, though to be honest you don't really need to be able to draw a perfect circle and have amazing hand eye coordination anyways. Art is more about the mental knowledge than a physical skill (though the physical part does play a small role).

>>1865963
Well I'm using fun with a pencil and I have to draw circles all the time, I mean of course I can make a perfect circle in photoshop but the placement lines that go around the circle are also making me some problems

>>1865966
Drawing a perfect circle is not important. Not even the best artists can do that free hand. Increasing your visual library should be your main priority. Copy things and try remember them.

>>1865966
>>1865850
Well post a collection of all of them, crop some image together, make sure that the resolution of it is not too big. Are you working with Photoshop?

The example you posted is a bit high res, make sure to maybe compress it.
You don't know how ? Time to learn it, you gotta master some basic image editing skills with the software you're working with.

I am in the exact same boat as you, you could improve that head by just going away from it for a second and then compare it to the original again.
The example Is not very detailed , so there is no point in making something up in order to 'improve' it. I can tell from his right ear for example, that you made details up that would not even in real life look like that. Just adding lines won't make it look any better if you don't have knowledge about the ear in first place. The original has only 2 lines there, so just go with exactly that.
But don't worry, you will be getting there in no time. Just from observation and practicing over and over you will get a feel for it really quickly.

About the observation and how you can further improve your drawing is by comparing details and in what angle they stand to each other. Take the long nose for instance. In the original it is over his left cheek, or the way the right ear connects to the head: There is no such V-Shape like you drew. By simply asking yourself questions like "how does A connect to B" you will learn to train your observation skillz. Comparing angles between different objects/lines is fundamental to copy something.

Dont be afraid to show the "sketch" layer in low opacity, it'll help us to see if you did any major construction mistakes. The face is obviously not gonna be super realistic anyway since its very minimalistic/cartoonish in first place.

Note that my example is also far from 1:1 but you shouldn't worry about getting every head identical. Its more about getting a feel for your tablet and the construction in that particular chapter.

>>1865966
Although I think it might be controversial, generally you wanna abuse every technological tool that helps you improve your drawing, but I don't think you should use tools for the head's circles yet , not in this stage.
Try to do it free-hand as good as you can. It'll help you get a better and better feel for your tablet.
Its completely normal that the circle/construction lines are a pain in the ass in the beginning , that's probably one of the reasons why its being practiced so much at the start of the book.

>>1865980
I didn't save every last of them as there ugliness didn't seem to be worth it, I'm probably gonna draw some more again later and will make sure to post them here.
Also I know how to compress the image I just didn't think about it because I had it scaled down in Photoshop pretty much.

>>1864908
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga23vkjhdSI

Again; This is nothing new. I only showing you this because in 1 day, nothing has changed. Embed Code; Won't help.

>>1865980
Looking at the final result is kinda demotivating

>>1865986
No

>>1865837
Dang. Any decent examples of what I should be doing?

How did I do? I feel like I overdo construction lines. Does that matter?

Wacom intous
is there a big difference between 3 4 and 5, would getting an intous 3 hinder me from being as capable than if i got a 5?

>>1866288
>I feel like I overdo construction lines. Does that matter?
Just draw them lighter. You'll get better at that as you learn to place efficient marks (i.e. drawing a circle with one line instead of 8 overlapping lines). It's mostly a motor control thing, and if you want to try to expedite the process you could always do the Peter Han line exercises:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

Watch the whole video and do the entire homework assignment exactly as described.

>>1866309
The intuos 3 is outstanding. From my understanding it has the smoothest surface, the 4 has a coarser surface that leads to faster nib wear, and the 5 is inbetween the two. IIRC the 4 had some cable issues, at least with earlier batches.

The 5 has double the pressure sensitivity of the 3 (2048 compared to 1024 levels), and I believe it requires less force to register the faintest click. Not sure how the specs of the 4 compare to the two.

Just be sure you opt for a larger size (pay attention to the dimensions of the active area). A small tablet makes it harder to draw on a larger monitor, and you won't be able to draw with your whole arm as easily. AFAIK you can always reduce the size of the active area of a larger tablet if you find it to be too large.

>>1866039
You're only hurting yourself in the long run by not learning to do it freehand.

I know that /ic isnt really keen on ponyfags and their devintart/cringe pony art, but im really struggling with this drawing, and i just cant seem grasp how painting works or how to turd polish. can i recieve some feedback on my wip shit.

>>1866341
I think the composition and idea sucks and that's why you feel you're polishing a turd.

>>1865466
There are so many on one page, it's a little difficult to see. I think you're missing the energy of the people you're drawing. I'm currently reading FORCE and it's helping me a lot

>>1866341
study horse anatomy and incorporate it/combine it especially into the face/chest/legs even if it's subtle. Otherwise you're going to just be another cookie cutter art clone, drawing simplified marshmallow forms and not learning anything. You might as well boot up AI or another vector program if you're going that route.

Whatever, I spent about 15 minutes on this, and my head hurts too much to draw tonight.
I tried following >>1865498's advice, but failed miserably.
But, like I said, I'm going to try and post at least one sketch a day regardless of how shitty it is.

in terms of imagination, do i have potential?

>>1866544
The last thing /ic/ cares about is imagination.

>>1866552
i cant tell if this is an insult towards me or an insult towards /ic/ lol..

>>1866465
Why do you use such an eyesore of a colour to draw with and are your lines so thick

About 4 months ago i read Drawing on the right side of the brain, now i've had about 2½ months of not drawing, which is my own fault.
Should i reread the basics this time with "Keys to drawing", or should i just use Drawing with the right side of the brain and skim over the techniques?

>>1864975
What can I do better?

>>1866589
Keep Keys to Drawing.

>>1866465
can I get a source on that model?

>>1865694
perspective is way off, drop this and go study norling and robertson

>>1866544
nobody fucking cares about your doodles m8, read the sticky and come back when you want to get serious, then people might actually give a shit.

>>1866337
>large
Is this version ok?
i'm looking at on thats only 65 dollars

>>1866913
That looks right. The only other thing to keep in mind is that it may be hard to come across extra nibs for the older model, though the seller might not have worn them down and could include them. I don't know if the intuos 3 and intuos 5 take the same size nibs.

I couldn't draw some fucking balls even if my life depends on it, how am I supposed to draw heads

>>1866913

I have that model. It's an okay size, better than using a bamboo.

>>1866956
yeah, but what about the performance?

>>1866956
And to give you an idea this is the area you will be using when you map proportions.
>>1866968
It works great, no problems.

>>1866950
it might be easier to start with pencil and paper

>>1866973
Ok, purchased it, thanks for your opinion

WIP

Some kind of Joker...
No ref.

Complete and total beginner here. My drawing experience is limited to 17% of «Fun With Pencil» and 25% of «Keys to Drawing».

How do I get into concept art? How my path to getting at least semi-decent at it should look like? I assume I have to put much more time in colours, than in, say, anatomy?

>>1867079
Find a school which trains concept artists, pay the money, learn. Check out FZD, then look for something liket it in your country.

>>1867106
I am not serious about it. I don't have that much time, money nor will. I just want to draw something, I want it to be beautiful and interesting and to look like what I love: concept art and classic impressionism.

>>1867139
You're not getting far with it without time and will. You won't make it to even semi-decent if you're not serious and don't want to spend a lot of time and effort.

>>1867106
>FZD
anything like that school around toronto?

>>1867147
I am not lazy either. The thing is, passion of my life is math and I devote 7-8 hours per day to it. Maintaining my body on optimal productivity level takes another 10-12 hours, including 8-10 hours of sleep. I still have 4-7 (including idle time) hours per day every single day of my life, which I usually invest in keeping up mood, since it helps doing math (yes, I am insane). So, I think I could invest at least 3 hours each week in drawing. Not much, but I will do it for... Actually, forget about it. Comparing myself with truly good artists, I realise I don't have enough passion to keep learning long enough. Fuck.

>>1866785
whats wrong with the perspective

>>1867156
fucking google it, at least you're living in US, in my country there is only 1 school remotely close in quality with FZD and it's 2000 km away from where I live

upward angles are weird as fuck

also still getting used to my tablet

>>1867165
>toronto
>at least you're living in US
learn some geography mate

>>1867172
>implying Canada isn't the part of US which connects Alaska to US, but happens to have some kind of autonomy.

>>1867167
What kind of tablet do you have?

>>1867194
Intuos Pro Large (paid about 200 EUR thanks to some connections)

>>1867199
Where do I get connections like that.

>>1867167
The chins are too narrow and pointy. You need to make the difference between the front plane and the side plane clearer.

Been trying to draw semi realistic drawings for a while, drew a lot in class last week and at home, I'm just looking to see if someone can spot any error in my work so if anyone could do that I'd be happy :).

>>1867245
Oh yeah I've also been focusing only on facial features because I can't draw heads for the life of me.

I changed what >>1866556 mentioned.
Anything else I should do?

I don't want to tackle the hands and face just yet.

>>1867258
you got tricked by the light'

her left butt cheek is bigger, but very dark
her right chest - to shoulder section is also more square you've again omitted that part.

see your ref has extreme lighting, conceals quite a bit of the anatomy.

>>1867258
her left arm is to long. right arm is awkward. check your negative spaces

How do I improve my gestures?

>>1867258
Right thigh is way too thin.

>>1867287
I'm having a bit of trouble seeing/understanding this. Could you maybe redline it?

>>1867258
>>1867308
lots of spots where there are tangents and
sections where anatomy is layered but bright light divides it some what . . .

>>1867303

You don't.

>>1867315
Thanks, anon.

>>1867316
wut?

>>1867303
forget that hater poster anon
to improve:

use long single strokes for the movement/flow first
then add in structure, then you can shade etc,

the main idea is to get the movement and the articulation of the subject matter, making it look cool or super correct is not actually the priority with gestures.

pic related:>>1867303

>>1867344
Ok, thanks!

>>1865797
I got SAI and holy shit it's like I have infinite paper.

It's also nice having a responsive eraser.
Can you read ANY of my hand gestures? How do I clean up this shit, and make it more readable?

Ignore the last two, I spent hours on those.

>>1867424
Draw the nails you piece of shit.

>>1867248
NONONO
Always ALWAYS draw the head first, or else you're doomed to Anime Eyes and small-mouths forever!

If you don't know the structure behind something, you will never be able to conform it into a believable shape!

Even if your head looks like shit, you need to start drawing it to understand how the mouth and eyes actually work!

Your figures are pretty gud tho', keep working on them.

>>1865845
Draw the contuor, draw the outline, draw where the shape ends-- then imagine your light-source.
Place the direction on your paper if you gotta; then draw shade where you see it-- starting from the darkest areas and moving out to the light.

>>1866950
Do this thing, every day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

>>1864908
bored on my way back home.
this was last week.
ive tried more but no more good can produce yet. too busy taking care of mum.

>>1867446
/ic/ can't critique your imagination.

Unless you're trying to tell us a story here.

>>1865185
most of the time (esp in painting) less is more. Try bluring your eyes and looking at the image to block in large shapes, then go back and look where things are more detailed and focus on that. Uglow does a great job of this, I would look at a bunch of his stuff

>>1865277
>>1865406
KEK

>>1865522
>>1865552
those are some gay poses.

>>1864975
Jesus fucking christ it doesn't feel like I'm learning at all when I do these figure drawings. I feel like i'm doing try-hard level copying and not really FEELING or SEEING what I draw. It's like the human body is a mass of variables and rules I can't fucking grasp...like math. but god dammit I'm gonna make the human body my bitch eventually. Should I slow down and do some quick sketchy lines then fill in details or maybe work on one part at a time?

Hatchet Portraits.

How's my loomis, /ic/?

>>1867507
work thru a process

first work out great line work
-improves observation, negative positive space
-improves antomy understanding
then paint it
-check the lighting, could be studio fake non real world
-learn to take everything in steps
-notice value changes etc
-avoid layer effects, try guess color for faster improvement
-blending, soft, hard edge control
all these become obvious

take your time, do one thing right before moving on to the next

also improvement isnt immediate it takes time and tons of repetition but one day youll look back and be like woooah. .. .

pic unrelated

>>1867510
Hello there, you seem to have come across the magical world of /ic/!

First.
>Grid
Kek.

Draw this thing instead, don't fucking turn it around until you're finished.

Report back with the completed drawing and we'll tell you what we see.

If you insist on grid-drawing, then you should know what it's trying to do.
It's trying to make you draw individual lines, the lines that make up objects, instead of the objects themselves.

There's a difference between drawing what you see, and drawing what you think you see.
We call the latter symbol drawing.

>>1867523
I'll try

>>1867507
you gotta feel the omdel, feeeel it
420 pass the bong bro

going through going through

>>1867532
I want me some Vilppu too, where the fuck are his lectures?

>>1867424
Faces.
>Forget how to loomis for the entire lesson, constructing the ball and shape thing for each model's face.
>Take my time to construct the last face
>?????

I get really uncomfortable when I look at the last one.
What the hell happened

>tfw finally get loomis faces

>>1867569
Got a stream or thingamajig that tracks your drawing?
>>1867424 here

>>1867570

I guess I do.

>>1867575
pls help, I can't loomis

>>1867577

I got how to do the construction part after I realized it's like the tops of a cylinder tilting back side to side in perspective. So I tried tracing some cartoons and I was right, I think. As for the the blob facial features on the old men, I'm following another book for that that explains it better.

>>1867587
forgot pic

>>1867588
I think I see it.
I'll try to keep it in mind; thank ye'.

I want to stop drawing anime
I know it's bad for me but I can't help it because I love it so much
I want to gain actual talent and draw realism like you guys

what should I do

>>1867757
Depends on your current skill level, if you're rather ok then probably you can try to learn realistic facial construction first since drawing face is more interesting for most people. Once you're ok with that then you can move on to figure drawing.

>>1867768
I'm shit though
I want to have the patience to do actual studies and still lifes

>>1867757
fuck, you don't need to "stop drawing anime" to start drawing realistic. just draw them both if you want.

jesus that's depressing, fuck

>>1867757

Realism doesn't help as much with cartooning. You don't have to practice life drawing till you're 80 and think that will grant you the prowess to somehow be able to draw cartoons in a matter of seconds. Do both at the same time.

>>1867808
What I've noticed that cartooning has helped me with poses in my realistic work. Letting it loose and using silhouettes, exaggeration, lines of action etc. really helps with understanding what dynamism and movement is all about. You can use the exact same methods with realism too just toned down

test

>>1868095
you failed it

>watch gnomon gesture dvd
>gesture is not about contours
>proceeds to draw contours and details

>>1864975

Not entirely sure how to proceed from here or whether this is a good foundation to build from...

>>1868100

Nah, succeeded. IP range is banned on some boards (third world internet), just wanted to make sure I could post here before contributing anything.

>>1867424
>Ignore the last two, I spent hours on those.

Assuming the last two are the ones on the bottom right, they're easily the best on the page and the rest is just chicken scratch. Don't feel insecure about how long it takes for you to do something as long as you get it done right, speed will develop naturally as you become more confident and knowledgeable.

>>1867757
>I want to stop drawing anime

Stop thinking of anime as an easier alternative to realism, and instead see it as a simplified form of it. If you get better at drawing realism you'll get better with anime naturally, but not the other way around.

>>1867757
http://youtu.be/iBadnTAzQFc

though I wish he would also focus on the brow more.

dat droopy canopy from the brow ridge.

>>1866337
>AFAIK you can always reduce the size of the active area of a larger tablet if you find it to be too large.
Is it true?

>>1868229

of course it is, it's called mapping proportions.

>>1867523
I'm not the anon you quoted, but I did this earlier today. What do you think? What should I improve on?

>>1867441
So when I want to use photoshop later, should I do this in photoshop or still on paper?

Figure study from pixelovely.

>>1868258
take your time on these and think carefully while drawing
draw what you see, not what you think you see

so if i'm a beginner, should i NOT be looking at art i like and trying to copy it?

>>1867476
thanks man, I've definitely been feeling like that, I think I just get insecure and try to overcompensate with random brush strokes that do more harm than good, will check out his stuff.

>>1868101
kek, iktf

>>1868305
always post refs, at a glance the breasts look off to me though

>>1868347
gesture seems like one of those things every artist does their own way, either that or they are all horrible at teaching it

in fact, it seems most pro artists are in no position to be teaching at all. scott roberston is the only one that does a good job

>>1866589
>>1866589
Keys to drawing has no psuedoscience
The exercises only need paper and pencil

Going through Charles Bargue drawing course.
Crits for more art gains por favor

>>1868364
Slow down more and observe more carefully. Also resize your image in the future. Keep going.

>>1868368
Thanks
May art gains come to you also in the future

for any beginner here, you might want to consider checking out Loomis's new art book

>>1855100

>>1868404
What's in it for beginners?
Is it a revised fun with pencil?

>>1868405
no, because it's unclear whether loomis's books are in the public domain or not. some sneaky snakes published this as a way to cash in, while not actually just republishing his stuff.

they're doing a lot of shilling..sorry..social media advertising. including /ic/ for some reason.

help pls

>>1868410
i'm really interested to see whats in the book

i'll wait for a scan, there isn't even an amazon preview

god dammit

>>1868415
I'm bad, so take this redline with a cup of salt. I tried to get a more natural pose by having a forward bend in the torso, so that you have the spine making a continuous C-curve. Pay attention to the box forms of the top of the torso - in my edit you can see a bit of the top of the shoulders. The breast were also super high, remember that gravity will pull them down unless there's a push-up bra situation going on.

Most importantly, focus on getting a clean gesture, then seek out refs to fill in your anatomical knowledge gaps.

>>1868156
Gesture is a little off. Head should go forward, same with his right shoulder. Pay attention to the line from his left foot to his head: it goes straight up then gently curves to the right.

Once you have the drawing down, Map out your shadow shapes and start with 2 values, then work your way up to modelling the form from there.

Try flipping both the reference and the drawing to see where you're off. It's okay to deviate a bit from the ref as long as the drawing looks solid on its own.

>>1868472
this is great, I was sitting around for ages moving specific lines around without realising the pose was fundamentally stiff/awkward. Thanks a bunch man, finna study the shit out of this, seeing stuff like your redline is weirdly inspiring.

This doesn't look right.

Why do my gradients band? Should I into colour theory or is it because of a technical limitation? Just different shades + blur tool in SAI.

>>1864908
Hi!
How do I into detail?

>>1868566
You chicken scratched it to hell. Work on that.

>>1868575
study refs

>>1868576
How?
I've tried blind-contuor exercises for weeks and that didn't help that much.

Do you think It's because I don't have a good "skeleton" behind my figure? Is it a lack of a solid line of action?
Is it both?

Guys?
I think I might be leveling up . . .

>>1868581
Good, good.
Now work on hands.

>>1868580
you basically just gotta do the line without scratching, better to practice that on pen and paper.

>>1868580
practice being confident with your lines, so you can put them down in one stroke rather than going back and forth.

try this: on any scrap piece of paper (as long as it's big enough) draw one straight line, freehand, at a moderate speed. then, try to draw a line directly over the first one without wandering. do this at least 5 times, then start again on a new line.

repeat until bored/30 minutes

once your paper has no more room for lines, draw circles over the entire page. any size is fine as long as you draw them using movement from your elbow, not your wrist. drawing with your wrist gets you shitty lines and carpal tunnel. repeat circles until bored/paper is full

do this every time you don't know what to draw, or want to kill some time, or want to warm up before starting to draw. you will gain confidence in your lines quickly if you do this every day.

>>1868582
i kept redrawing them in different poses then got fed up and threw in some placeholders to go work on the horse limbs instead, will post update eventually

I'm not too happy with this. The face reminds me of Michael Jackson.

playing around with circles as prescribed by Vilppu

how am i doing?

>>1868592
needs more circles, never enough circles

see second part of
>>1868584

>>1868589
draw the hands seperately at first

then integrate what you learned from doing that into the bigger drawing

>>1868594
That's kinda what I've been doing, just on that page I tried more for characters than grinding the circles. I'll have at it more just for the practice though, thanks.

>>1868571

I don't know, anon. Whenever I notice banding I just use noise. But that's in PS.

What dpi should I be using if I'm making a 3840x2160 wallpaper ?

>>1868584
Ah shit fuck hurts my shoulders

>>1868603
as long as it's a burn and doesn't feel like you're grinding bones, it's good, you're rotators are getting a workout. eventually you will have more control over fine movement of your whole arm

>>1868595
there's the right hand done

i can draw hands i was just focusing on the torso, making human abdominals mesh with horse lower neck muscles is a challenge

>>1868578
>>1868575


seems like the only way.. new version

>>1864956
Same logic of how i feel about when it comes to art, and discussion of it. I love talking about/with art, but... it's just so wierd in Scandinavia, you could get killed for your:
- Freedom of speech.
-----------------
Read the rule's and dont shit-post, end of story. >>1868575 Conclusion.

>> 1868630
According to Who:m? Have a brain of your own. Highly doubt that logic of you'rs.
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P.S: 4chan.org is the best Site i ever found. (Not joking, i literally love the site, even tho moot well.. .HMPH! Ya know)

>>1868583
>>1868584
>>1868166
More hands; did the line and circle thing all over my chemistry schedule. Noticed that my shoulders hurt like hell, so I must have been drawing without using it-- ever.

From now on, gunna keep my elbow off the table so I can actually use it.

>>1868657
keep fighting the good fight, precious

>>1868669
Last question, how do I utilize layers in SAI?
Do I just sorta lower the contrast of a layer and then add another?
Also: why does the line-work layer automatically re-allign the pen-tool's stuff when it has a stabilizer setting of 0?

>>1868670
Try hitting the edit button.

>>1868673
woah

>>1868584
is it normal that it feels MUCH MUCH harder doing this digitally?

>>1868682
Yes, you don't got as much room on the tablet as you would on paper.
That, and it's a different medium.
It's natural!

>>1865694
The other anon means you might've skimmed over the perspective on the thing.
If the shape is in perspective, it should "recede" away from the viewer; this is done using imaginary lines on the shape that eventually meet at a set "point" in the distance, or the Horizon Line.

Your shape has completely parallel lines, making it look static-- as though the shape is the same distance from the viewer throughout its length.

I also don't know if I completely know what I'm talking about so take this advice with a bucket of salt.

>>1868697
if it's meant to be concept art it doesn't strictly need perspective

parallel projection can actually make things clearer for the modeler

>>1868670

drrrrrt drrrrrt drrrrrrrrt

(anime/manga style, I know)

I'm about to take art class for my local college on animation, however I'm told to study up on Life Drawings to help improve my drawing abilities.

In a case like this, perhaps I can practice Life Drawings as I take animation. What are the best ways to learn life drawings aside from just drawing things outside. Any books for references that has some really good exercises?

>>1868575
>>1868630

Any ideas what I should improve on this image?
critique please!

>>1864908
So... how come this is still a thing?

P.S: Did anyone of you ever THINK of the damage that you could have done, when tapping into this computer of mine?

Conclusion:
(Obviously; Not, cause if you did the problem wouldn't been solved now, would it?)
---------
P.P.S: I even warned Swe - About this, and look at them now, like seriously... I cba doing their dirty work anymore. They are on their own now. Scientology live's stillas well as A.C.T.A.

>>1868634

I read the rules, didn't shitpost. what now?

>>1868820

you don't have chickenscratch lines which is good. looks a bit flat tho. would suggest looking into head construction and keeping that in mind even when/if you still decide to do animu afterwards.

>>1868101

there are actually multiple valid approaches to this. i've seen people do the opposite and focus on getting an accurate contour and then figuring out the form from there.

in this case though it just sounds like a case of poor teaching.

>>1868349

>>1868973
- head angle is different ("top" vs "right" look)
- her left shoulder should be in the back, while the right in the front - it looks like both are at the same depth in yours
- breasts slightly too large and draw the nipples
- her left upper arm should have more volume, its hidden by the extremely dark shadow inside the elbow

lower body looks good to me though

(take with a grain of salt, I'm a beginner myself)

>>1868973
It's flat, too much contour and chicken scratch. Start with simple box forms for the rib cage and pelvis.

>>1868834
the lighting makes no sense, also curling your fingers up that much is unnatural, punch the wall with your fingers curled like that and see for yourself, also the whole thing looks a bit flat, my eyes don't really know what to look at, get mad and ready your fist to punch someone, now hold it in the lighting you want and simplify the shapes you see.

>>1865353
I'd recommend sticking with loomis. It's probably the easiest way to learn basic face construction if you have 0 prior knowledge of it

>>1864908
Culture is very important yes, but if you do it like us (Swe) which is the worst thing you could ever do, than you'r deleting history,

>>1868917
Care to explain? Yes, i did post that on another board, but.. why bring it up on a different board that has nothing to do with it?

(Since its not related to it in anyway)
P.S: You clearly didn't read the rules. read them again.

>>1865353
I find Vilppu pretty nice; he has a 4 hour video course on the head anatomy alone and has a different approach than Loomis (he starts with explaining the skull first and the most important weight points that can you help to orientate on what to draw where etc.). Watching his videos was refreshing and helped a bit better undestanding the shape of the head (in comparison to fun with a pencil, where you just have to somehow copy lines here and there and not really sure why)

>>1865353
You can always skip the first dozen pages or so and get to the part where he gets to more "serious" construction if you're on Fun With a Pencil. I found it enjoyable as an exercise though, but it's up to you.

>>1864975
>drawing disgusting out of proportion big guys.
>not gay

>>1868833
Try Villpu's manual, those lessons go well with life drawing and also from imagination.

>>1869134

Looking into this, wow, thanks a lot! Wasn't aware of this but this may help me a lot.

>>1867157

Dont let the people on here stop you. Read the sticky and get the loomis books and go through them at your own pace. If those dont seem to be working after a few weeks come back and ask for the name of another author. Someone will help you even if most people shit on you. Dont give up.

>>1866627
Lookin good, anonymous

i need some help before i work on this some more.

im not really sure how to do that glare on the glass. should it start wide futher up and taper as it goes down and toward the back?

also, should the space be grey or blacked out? im a little scared to black it out completely, even though space is black

First time posting
Opinions?
inb4 lined paper

trying out perspectives, how'd I do?

>>1869621
Fuck forgot pic lol

>>1869623
buildings in the back should be converging to a vanishing point above the page. If you just want to say it's 1-point perspective and keep verticals parallel, that's fine, but you have them doing the opposite.

>>1869639
Wouldn't that only be in a 3-point perspective? I used two points here

Are there any good exercises for line stability?
I cant draw a straight line for the life of me without a ruler, heck even my curved lines are...unstable.

>>1869683
>>1868584 covers an exercise you can do.

I'm having trouble with chicken scratching, since I got so used to drawing small with my wrist-- and my tablet is too small to do any sweeping motions with my whole arm.

>>1869653
Right, I figured that, but in 2 point, the verticals should all be parallel. Yours aren't. They're converging, but to a vanishing point below the page.

Unless it's just an optical illusion, the walls of the corp building, and the two towers of the one next to it are what I'm referring to.

Tried a little perspective drawing.
Criticism welcomed.

>>1864975

>>1869710
Oh shit son how far away is the other hand really goddamn

>>1869710
I did a spit take at >>1869742
because damn, that hand really is far out.
foot, too.

Well, how's my shit?

>>1869984
Forgot the fucking image. So how is this shit?

>>1868474

Thank you! This is very helpful - I'm struggling to wrap my head around values, is there any advice you could offer to make it easier? I understand the concept and have watched a couple of guides on it, but can never effectively break down the lighting in simple terms...

>>1869986
Good!
Whatever IS wrong with them probably can't be discerned in a beginner thread.
If you have any concerns yourself, it'd be helpful for us to hear them.

>>1869986
guys arms look a little short. bittom right girls head looks a little weird

>>1870095
her left foot is even weirder. I keep mistaking it for SOME other body part

>>1869406
okay i worked on this somemore?

how the fuck do you black stuff out? i was pressing as hard as possible with an 8b and it still came out grainy

also, does the glare look more believable now? im obviously going to work on everything more

>>1869406
>>1870113
>>1866544
THATS REAL EPIC

>>1870118
t-thanks. w-what does the gif mean.

>>1870146
SHOCKING TRUTH!

spent two whole hours on this trainwreck, tried doing that thing where you zoom way out and start by splotching down colour blobs then detailing, cocked it up but maybe ic can get some keks at my expense

>>1866950
I lost.

what do you guys think?

>>1870231
torso is way to thin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EPNYWeEf1U&src_vid=z4ZLkyTuX_w&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_781779

>>1870260
thank you for this, I just completely pooped the bed trying to draw in a more realistic fashion

Guys, where can I learn about the reilly method? I googled it, read a lot of sites, etc etc but I can't find a single book or tutorial that teaches it. I'm looking for the wrong name?

>>1870290
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKfsZaNrmzM

About 90% of all the decent artists I come across are younger than me.
I hate this feeling that I have to fight everyday.

What should I do when I simply stop of improving? I see no considerable progress since 5 months ago.

>>1870400

Get out of your comfort zone. Do something you find excruciatingly hard. Its kinda hard to help you with more constructive crit cause I would need an example of your work.

Taking the best stuff of every month.

>Do something you find excruciatingly hard
Guess I'll study skulls, colors and women then.

>>1870403
Taking the best stuff of every month.

>Do something you find excruciatingly hard
Guess I'll study skulls, colors and women then.

>>1870231
how do you get such cute faces with such little work?

Alright, so I just got done with the exercise on drawing yourself on "Drawing on the Right Side of your Brain", and the next chapter is suddenly about colors.

I don't really care about colors at the moment, so am I done with the book?

How to become sculptor?

>>1870535
That's the point; use as little lines as possible to convey the face.
Though that face in particular is a little flat as compared to the reference.

>>1870400
Draw porn. It allows you to think with two heads instead of just one.

Having a lot of difficulties with the final exercises to the drawing on the right side of your brain book. So I'm making the self portrait, and it says not to bother with the view finder any more and just go off from what you see. However, since I've been so reliable on the view finder, the exercise wants you drawing with an erasing at first (erasing all of the lighted areas on your face). This a very foreign concept to me, but by doing so, I keep getting a horribly disfigured image. It's as if the erase marks are all over the place, I can't seem to erase the light areas properly.

Any suggestions for those who did this exercise? It's all be rather easy up until this point.

New thread soon.

I don't think I understand how gestures work, or anything for that matter.

>>1870729

Same guy, just wanted to post up that I'm getting no progress here. I've marking the mirror with the eye level and the vertical for the face, and even reviewing the 2 hours video demonstrating how to set this up. Drawing with an erase, I just can't comprehend it and just seems too advance for me. Am I missing something here? I've had no trouble with the book up up until this point.

Please, any advice will do, I need any help I can get.

>>1870801

Takes time. Keep practicing. Why is it valuable to know?

>>1870885

It's basically its trying to teach you it's way of learning shadows and lighting with drawings. I'm gonna make a 3rd attempt, I actually want to keep trying tell I get this down.

Funny thing is, I didn't read the book for over a week as I was trying to practice other ways of drawing, all which have been under a bright lamp to create a strong shadow. I bought fake fruit and drew fruits and a cup in the back or the fruit by itself to get a better idea of shadows. Coming back to the book, I knew what to do until this exercise.

>>1870751
Scribbling =! shading

>>1870901

You can't expect to learn it right away. And you can't expect to learn it if you stop doing it for a week. Maybe you haven't fully learned previously what the book was trying to teach you. Keep practicing. Three drawings won't magically make you better. Keep practicing.

>>1870972

I guess with that said, I'm not too sure what the previous teachings were trying to teach? I felt like I understood it perfectly, but my erasing art just keeps failing me, and I can't quiet understand how to do it.

Any advance, like any at all would help me out here for this drawing, cause I literally have 0 idea how to approach this and my efforts have all been for not, trying to draw this all night (been at it since this morning).

>>1864908
From imagination during class. Sorry for the lined paper.
I'm having a VERY HARD time with the head. The cheeks are really troublesome and this is pretty much the only angle I can sometimes handle. Can you help me /IC/?

>>1870995
Forgot pic.

>>1870972
>>1870984

Well, I'm still at it, sadly, still no progress.

I don't understand, when Betty Edwards erases, shapes of the face starts to form. When I do it, it just looks like a white mess. I can't tell what I'm doing wrong. I've tried shading in after the erase, but it just all feels wrong.

Here's an uncompleted version of one I just attempted.

>>1871026

I'm new to drawing, but it doesn't even seem like you're following the book. It says to not even think about drawing features until step 7, where clearly you started before that by drawing contour rather than value.

>>1871049

Problem is, when I'm done erasing, it doesn't make sense as to what I'm looking at. However, when I see other examples of others who've attempted the exercise, it looks as though everything is forming into a shape.

Were as my attempt, it just looks like a smear. So I tried to make an outline (making the best of what I got), but it comes off looking completely wrong. I'm not sure as to how to make things look appropriate with erasing.

I understand what the books is telling me (or so I think), but when I'm done erasing, nothing seems to come together.

>>1870005
For objects of a fairly uniform local value, divide your values between what's in the light and what's in the shadow. This is easier to do when you have a strong, directional light source, and much harder to do for diffuse lighting.

For this ref it's possible to divide between light and shadow - just look for the terminator and use that as your boundary. Also, keep your reflected lights in the shadow part of the shadow group. Make sure they don't ever become as bright as anything in the light group, even if it was that way in the ref.

Don't know if you've seen this before, but this walks through the process pretty well:

http://www.erikgist.com/ErikGist_WattsAtelierFigureTutorial.pdf

Here's another attempted.

The lamp is heavily placed on the left hand side, so I erased all that the light touches. It didn't seem possible to erase anymore, but even with this image, something seems really off... or am I just over thinking this?

New >>1871259