/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>1855880
>>1855880
>A friendly reminder to do wrist exercises and take breaks as you practice to avoid getting CPS.

even if your wrist doesnt hurt?

>>1855886
stretching prevents pain. if you don't stretch you have a much higher chance.

>>1855587
Don't worry bud, we'll make it one day

We're all gonna make it, including me, but is there anything in these I should focus on the most to get there quicker?

Like, basic shapes... time pressure erases my box drawing skills.

>>1855880
Gotta observe more carefully.

>>1856142
Here is a ref if someone wants to draw him too.

I'm bad and I feel bad

I took a break from studies to make my first ever attempt at portraying the human body in motion (and not at motion) and I need a redline

I'm aware of the face symbolism fallacy

Am i doin gestures right? I've been using posemaniacs.com

>>1856144
here is an old drawing i did of this guy.

>>1856186
not really.
those are contours.
gestures are about exaggerating the pose, with flow, line weight, c and s curves, etc.

>>1856190
More like this then? I don't have a clue what I'm doing. I'm just drawing stick figures and focusing on the pose/flow.

>>1856199
yes more like this.

check out hampton's book. he has a section on gesture.

the idea is that gestures are the first step of every figure drawing. you intentionally exagg. the pose because as you build on top of it you will get stiffer.

Would love some comments/ critiques. I'm doing studies in my spare time as well.

figure drawings from the past few weeks.

pt 2

I'll finish it.
maybe

Trying to draw more realistic stuff instead of stylized animu-ish bullshit. Any advice.critique would be very much appreciated.

>>1856278
Have you tried drawing horses?

>>1856285
fuck she's got an ugly horse face doesn't she i'm so sorry.

>>1856278
>>1856285
>>1856291
Something has gone terribly wrong.

>>1856243
>>1856245
the lines seperating the shadows and the lit areas are way too dark. they look metallic. idk how to improve on that, its just an observation

>>1856304
>>1856304
thx for the crit, i'm kind of working my way into figuring out what looks best. Will definitely work on it.

messing around

Wow, I can't believe how effective it was to lean back and ponder and note which planes are visible on the model when learning the robo bean.

Yes a no brainer in itself but actually mentally reciting the planes made me 80% more accurate.

I am a speed reader so vocalizing shit in my brain feels retarded but I have the hope that recognizing this shit and putting it down becomes more or less autonomous over time.

>tfw too shit to even follow Keys to Drawing without making complete and utter shit unless I spend 5+ hours on a single drawing.
I'll just kill myself.

>>1856793
Godspeed anon.

Obligatory daily study. This is really hard.. any advice?

I really don't like the hair. Any tips on improving the next time?

>>1856845

This is the picture I wanted to draw.

>>1856304
Personally I like how it looks like that.

>>1856845
The back groud in your reference is dark for a reason anon

Fixed the background a little. Still feel that the beard and the hair is off

>>1856870
There is no definition or flow of the separate hair strands that can be seen in the ref.

>>1855880
posting some sketches I did of sculptures in Italy from a while back. I am a big fan of using classical sculpture for studies, its way easier than getting in on a figure drawing class and they stay still FOREVER. this one was a cool torso study of a Bernini; opposite page is the phone number (and doodles) of an ancient grizzled art professor who tried to pick me up in some plaza in Rome. I had to turn him down, mostly because he was 80, but not before he brought me to this rad cafe where all the futurists used to hang out and be angry. one time life was weird and cool. now I am on 4chan.

>>1856930
fuck got the old 'mystery rotated pic for no reason', dammit I'm too drunk for this noise

>>1856230
shading is a little extreme, especially in the cheekbone dept. more 'components' to the hair, and strands/chunks that vary in width would make it seem more natural. I like the nose a lot. Her face would seem more coherent if the lips had the same level of detail as the rest of her features though.

>>1856849

How do I begin work on anatomy? Is Loomis really the best choice? I feel like a lot of anatomy books I look at just throw you haphazardly into a pretty complex form and I'm looking for something that eases you into it a bit more. Is there such a thing?

>>1856960

Vilppu videos are good if you can download them.

>>1856962
I'll definitely check that when I get home from uni

>>1855880

1-2mins , 30 seconds of the spaghetti monster 2nd from the left in the borrom row.

Can we have a ref pic right now?

>>1857063

From last thread. Forgot to post.

>>1856144
This is my attempt. I don't mind any criticisms, the body could have been done better and i rushed the bottom section including the arms on purpose.

Major Tip for all beginners here.

Just choose 2-3 values. and use a 100% opacity brush and block in all the shadows with hard values. Once that looks good then you can blend.

>>1857156
What's the best way to blend?

>>1857173
A brush with 50% flow and the pressure opacity setting turned on in case you are using Photoshop. Stay away from Smudge or Blur Tools

>>1857183
*forgot to mention to use the ALT shortcut key to quickly pick between those value colors and the new ones that you mix

Starting vilppu's book, how does this look?

Guys can one of you post the Studies 1 from 11? I missed a few since I was out of town.

I understand values and blending but I have no fucking idea how to apply them. there's a five year old kids tutorial somewhere?

>>1857183
I don't use PS, I use krita, but can you tell about why it's not a good idea to use smudge and blur? I'm trying to use values but everything end up looking like a child of blind and legless.

>>1857240

If you already understand then it might just be an issue of needing to trial and error enough with it that you begin to understand the application of it.

Could really use some help on this pose

>>1857316
where's the reference bro

I haven't painted or studied seriously in about a year and a half, just plateau'd and gave up I guess

do you guys mind if I join up on your groove?

>>1857370
Oh sorry, here's the reference

>>1857377
I did notice the right side of the hip shouldn't be the higher side so I tried fixing that...it doesn't look any better though

>>1856934
Thanks for the input.

>>1856230
And this is a vampire I painted.

Crits please, as harsh as possible

>>1857428
fuck sorry thought that file included reference

>>1857428
her hairline looks a bit receded

>>1857428
theres too much upper lip

i found the wood to be the hardest part. anyone have tips for that?

>>1857514
any tips for wood?

>>1857428
It doesn't look like the ref, like at all

How would you draw the stem around the apple to make it look like there's a hole.

>>1857428
It looks really muddy. Try painting without pen pressure. It'll help your line economy. Also, be careful with symbols. Those lips look pasted on. Always try to render things 3 dimensionally.

>>1857536

>line economy
people need to stop using buzzwords that other people don't understand

>>1857377
Can I get some help with this? I'm really having a lot of trouble with seeing color and rending things cleanly.. Any advice?

>>1857536
> Value-based painting
>"It'll help your line economy"

>>1857377
quit posting such an ugly model

Figure from reference

It was difficult getting the tilt of his head.

>>1857626
Try to get the entire figure on the page anon

Can anyone recommend a book to help me learn to break figures into basic shapes, etc.

>>1857626
Post ref

>>1857650

>>1857495
>>1857492
>>1857519
>>1857536
ty

>>1857525

>>1855880
Drawing a small busted succubus, what's wrong with it?

>>1857711
Not enough bust. What makes you think ther is something wrong ?

>>1857712
Mostly coz I didn't want it to be like the camera was at her waist like I always end up doing,

>>1855880

hscplsgo

>>1857716

Its good your pushing the perspective.

Maybe pic related would help you out a bit then.

>>1857726
Thanks for that

I tried it. I dont think I quite understand how the box thing works with the cross lines but I understand the horizon line better at least.
Sorry it's on paper I'm watching a tv show

>>1855918
I think you, as me, should focus on perspective, currently i'm reading the scott robertson's book, i plan to return to figure drawing when i'll be able at least to draw decent cars.

How much do you guys practice? For the past 4 months I've been practicing 7 hours a day, but I also work 56 hours a week (for minimum wage, no less!) and I kinda worry that the quality of my practice could be affected by the unfortunate consequence that I only get around 4 hours of sleep a night.

>>1857829
4 hours of sleep a night? Not gonna make it brah. Try getting at least 6, ideally more. Otherwise your brain isn't functioning properly and you won't be remembering all the shit you learn, and you will probably burn out soon too.

I attempted an ink on a sketch I drew, can get some cc

>>1857829
In what kind of SHIT country do you have to live for a minimum wage/56 hour weeks.

>>1857856
I live in England and with my parents, but I'm on a gap year and want money for college.

>>1857836
you could learn to letter a little better. and most of your hatches radiate out from the explosion which is great but then some of them don't, and it's a bit off. there's also some bits especially closer to the center of the explosion where a more 'lost and found' approach to the line would be nicer.

that's the only stuff that sticks out to me, i'm no inking genius though so take me with a grain of salt.

>>1857078
I like this ref

Study of a cow skull. About 3-4 hours on this one, not really happy with how the back of the skull turned out, but whatever

>>1857914
You forgot photo! :)
>>1857911
Nice!!

>>1857914
not really happy with that post either

I feel too old to be a beginner. I'm trying to stay positive, but facts are facts; I should have been doing this a long time ago.

>>1857911
Didn't look at original ref fack, cc pls

>>1857940
Everyone has to start somewhere, and everyone's a beginner at something when they start, regardless of age.
Think of it like this; would you rather be a beginner today, or a beginner later on?

>>1857940

Don't give up, believe in yourself.

27 years old here, I literally just started drawing 3 weeks ago thanks to the books recommended here on /ic/

Joining up art/drawing groups and give me better advice on what to do next. Going to take art school next semester at my community college.

I'm actually having a lot of fun.

Not sure if this is a good place to post digital paints, but eh

My first attempt at painting in Photoshop, ever. Anybody got any tips to help the foliage and scenery have more depth? I can't stop it from looking so flat all the time.

>>1858152

Perspective is a bitch and is the leading cause to most artists committing suicide.

What have you read up on perspective so I can avoid sounding like a broken record?

>>1858157
I can name most of the 6 types of artistic perspective, and I know to draw sort of gridlines beforehand when working with a tricky angle... honestly, I've read a lot but I can't draw upon much.

I honestly thought it was more a problem with the shading and the colors than a problem with perspective... but I'm completely green when it comes to making things look vibrant and deep.

>>1857426
Better? I don't think it reads well from a distance though. Any advice is appreciated.

So I took a random lineart and applied values to it, one main light and one backlight. Did I do right?

>>1858174
Not bad, just be careful of your values. You have so many values in the midtones and highlights that the forms are actually less clear. And the local value becomes ambiguous as well. I would restrict your value ranges, keep things either in light or shadow and keep it flat and clear. And with the rimlight, don't paint it as an outline, but it actually should come into the form more. Sometimes it overlaps, sometimes it is thicker, sometimes it is thick and sharp etc.

>>1858199
your edit isnt any better than the original bud

>>1855880
did this, i feel lost so i need some direction

>>1858221
reference

>>1858162

I see.
Honestly, I wish I could be more of help but I hope other anons come in and provide advice. To me, what you did looks awesome, but I'm still getting into art.

>>1858221
You missed the main gesture and have a lot of unnecessary lines. Slow down and get it right.

>>1858211
It's actually a lot better. Like dramatically better.

>>1858225
i tried to do a gesture to it

How do I do perspective for humans? Always screws me up when I try anything from a different angle.

>>1858223
>>1858223
Second Attempt

>>1858229
You got the leg on the right incorrect and squashed the torso a bit.

>>1858239 this is closer, but you still have a lot of unnecessary lines

>>1858236
See
>>1857726

>>1858236
Try simplifying the body into basic building block of boxes and cylinders, then draw them in perspective. For extreme foreshortening tricks like the cross method let you find the halfway point easily.

heres a ref pic if anyone wants to try it. ill post mine later.

>>1858152
ok im no artist but it honestly looking like youre looking at this through a fish eye lenses with the tree on either side of the painting. they just so happen to be the ONLY trees in the painting that curve like that. i get that your trying to make it look like the viewer in entering a clearing the forrest. but the problem is you made the forest underwater and you made the viewer a one eyed fish.

another thing, i can see your making depth by making some trees 'further' than others but if you draw a horizontal line at the base of each of them you'll see that they are all literally on a plane thats smaller than the circumfrence of one of the larger trees, which leads me to my next point.

the tree sizes are all fucked up. this might be a little picky and sorta subjective, but forests dont really work the way youre drawing them. if that shit is old forest growth you wouldnt have such a large variant in the width of the trees considering they appear to be the same species or whatever. to fix that i would pic a size and use variances in sizes to represent the distance (bigger is obviously closer, smaller is farther). but if you must have speshul snowflake trees that dont behave like real trees do, please realize its not to look unnatural to the people looking at your picture.

>>1858559
*its not going to look natural to the people looking at your picture

>>1858561
>>1858559
tldr. make the two curves trees straight and add more rows for depth

>>1858244
Thanks for the redline man

>>1855880

>>1858711

>>1858712

>>1858244
i took a stab at another one, hows this?

>>1858783

here is a new ref

Are there any exercises I can do to see if I've gotten the hang of form and perspective??

I just wanna make sure I have an idea of that before I move on to practicing gestures.

>>1858711
Tutorial?

>>1858802
Nice ref. Here's my attempt.

>>1857911
How do you paint? Do you do one light source first the n the other? Or do you do it all at once?

>>1857078
had a go

>>1859003
try not to scribble

and try to use a big brush

it's okay to 'color outside the lines' and then paint the edge back.

>>1859012
what do you mean by 'scribble'?
when I'm shading I shouldn't do long wavy patterns without lifting my pen? I should use single strokes?

>>1857447
I did the tilt of the head all wrong

>>1859017
theoretically you should use a brush the right size and do it in one stroke.

>>1858904

Vilppu Videos

>>1859032
I get this strange excitement whenever I see his drawings.

How do I fix this, \ic\? The eyes are killing me.
>oh yeah, this is looking better
>flips image
>nope.

>>1859068
Oh fuck. I looked back at it and dear lord does it look I've never drawn before. That's what I get for not practising for three weeks, I guess.

>>1859021
Thanks for the advice.
I tried to make every stroke count in this one.

>>1857236
please?

I couldn't find the archive of the last threads at warosu

>>1859073
yep that's the ticket. now try to not paint with such a transparent brush, and work the edges a little and you'll really be cooking with..oil. whatever the saying is.

>>1859073
yeah... this is why you don't follow /ic/'s advice

>>1859098
fuck off. he's used to doing it drawing style, this way, which is more or less the correct way, is new to him so his first painting isn't going to be the best ever.

if you think using the right size brush and being economical with your strokes is bad advice you're a shit fuck.

and yes some 'pros' use smaller brushes for stuff, but that's a stylistic choice, you should learn how to use a brush digital or otherwise conventionally before you start experimenting.

>>1859096
How do you get gradients when not working with any transparency?

>>1859106
I tend to think the "brush economy" thing tends to matter only if you're working in traditional medium and are either specifically going for that loose, sparse impressionist look or are are just working in a medium where you can't afford to overlap or you'll fuck things up

Digital painting is different and digital brushes tend to look too shit and unrealistic so the "drawing" approach works better and gets nicer results.

>>1859109
(diff. anon here)
It's not about not working with any transparency, but with LESS transparency.
You should pick a color between the ones you want to blend

>>1859113
/ic/ always gets a hard on for Mullins' loose digital painting though. Brush economy is applicable to digital and traditional.

I'd recommend the guy focus more on improving his drawing skills and then thinking of values in terms of planes before trying for brush economy.

>>1859113
nah ah. remember a painting is iterative

first you do one layer of painting, then another layer on top of that, then another on top of that etc. (you don't paint the whole thing over again, just the bits that need to be painted)

if your first layer is a confusion of tiny strokes then the next layer won't have any fidelity and so on. you end up working against the painting you've already done, it's like if you were doing laps around a race-track and each time you go around you throw a bunch of stuff on the road which next lap you need to pick up again. the whole process is slowed down immensely and if you forget to pick up some stuff here and there you get a shitty track/painting.

same thing for alla prima, only you go around once and then you can't go round again to clean up the shit you left lying everywhere.


(i have a feeling my analogy made it less clear, oh well)

>>1859125
yeah it did.

I don't see what iteration and layers has to do with this anyway. If anything, layering would fix the minor things that were wrong with the beard painting quite easily, while the lady is much more fucked up

>>1859073
am I improving?

>>1859166
forgot to resize

Hey ya'll, I have to opportunity to go on an art book shopping spree and I was wondering what books you would suggest? I know there are tons of free PDFs out there but I'm an ADD ridden fuck so I have a terribly hard time reading while on the computer with millions of distractions one click away. I've been drawing for just about a year so I would say my level is beginner-intermediate. What books are a must have fora poop like me?

>>1858557
critique please. i definatly need to work on the sand so any tips for that are appreciated

Am I a fraud for using the mixer brush for this? There was no way I could get the values to blend like this with the color picker

>>1859555
>a fraud
>in digital art
Yes you fucking are kill yourself. There's no way the end results could ever justify breaking the fucking art law

>>1859555
now you've done it.

>>1859570
Yea I thought it was a silly question, I'm just a pessimistic fuck that thinks anything not done by hand is cheating in terms of my own art. Which is silly cause even in traditional there's mixing tools. Oh well maybe one day I'll get over myself

>>1859555
trips confirm you for fraud. just fucking quit christ

>>1859574
WOOSH!

also you can get the values to blend like that with the color picker, you're just not trying. more contrast, your shape of the egg is fucking shit, it's lopsided, the perspective is off and push your values. keep on studying dude, and use a brush with low opacity or some shit. a mistake a lot of beginners make is that they use the smudge tool waaaay too much and it ends up looking uneven and "pillow-y"

>>1858715

thankyoubasedvilppu

>>1859630
oh damn I just realized how off both their arses are

fuck

>>1859173

definitely but control your values.

also show ref image.

>>1859465

use more varied pencils with different lead thicknesses. And definitely use the thinest and lightest pencils to contour and then go over with thin/dark pencils because you are not outlining shit properly, it looks too rough.

I presume you are trying to use values to make a picture, if you're not then definitely try to use a variety of pencils. Honestly though this is because you're not comfortable with pencil right?

just practice!

>>1859631
>implying thats a bad thing
draw them big booty bitches sun. we need more of em

>>1859465
You're just copying the photo. Watch based God Vilppu.

Here's a few I did recently, new to digital art, only got a wacom a few weeks ago

>>1858969
First I lay down big spots of light and shadow, then it's all in adding details and polishing. I don't know, I'm not a teacher.

How do I do foreshortening without fucking up anatomy?

I'm trying to make to fix my chicken scratches and uneasy lines by trying to make ink lines and shapes that I'm satisfied with

>>1859718

perspective, drawing out boxes and visualizing how a limb or whatever fits into the box

>>1856245
>>1856243
not sure why youre in the beginner thread
you are clearly far more advanced than biginner

>>1859125
I think it's a good analogy. and I don't see a downside to striving for more precise use of your tools

>>1859770
My main concern is screwing up the arm with the perspective. Like making it too small or too long.

Let's try doing this daily.

I'm trying to figure out how to make this perspective work, but I can't rack my brain around it.

If further sketches to explain what I am going for just say so.

>>1856849
Attempting this

>>1855880
Guess at who is it, if not I fail.
I'm not happy with this one, but I cbf fixing it. Gimme your worst /ic/.

>>1860493
It looks like Robin Williams to me, but that only because I most likely do not know the real reference

>>1860493
Looks like mothafuckin' pope bruh.

>>1860493
Bill Warner , right?
( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y )

>>1860497
>>1860513
>>1860522
It's Robin Williams as the character he played in the movie One Hour Photo. Fml.

>>1860525
Well I was right then. Don't be sad bruh, its an excellent portrait, I was just being unsure because I did not know his role in One Hour Photo and neither was I able to find a pic of him in older age with white hair. Couldn't tell that its actually blond.

Got a ref ?

Damnit. I know I'm a beginner, but I always make torsos too short, even when measuring.

The rest is usual okay, in about 10000 quotation marks.

Pic related, what I just tried to study, overlaid now for convencience, I did not trace it, obviously.

Everything that is gap was once connected, and thus too short.

Are there any measuring tricks I can use? It's always the damn torso.

>>1860566
I have bigger troubles.
What about this one? Did I at least get the boxes in right?
If not, could I please get a paintover with how it should look so I can at least train my eye a little better on the landmarks?

>>1860576
>so I can at least train my eye a little better on the landmarks
the top of the ribcage box especially.
aka, the trapezoid area. I don't know how to properly put on the top plane, the angle.

I did watch Prokos video on it and I can sometimes do it but the tilt/position/perspective on this one just seems to fuck with my brain.

Also, joining a proper art community would be better for constant questions like these, right?

>>1860580
what proper art communities are there?

>>1860583
That's just it. I don't know.
I do like /ic/ a lot but I think I work better incrementally, with a mentor or something, but all my friends lack interest / sense for it, just like with computer stuff.

Perhaps Sycras forum will do, has a study/art buddy section.

I don't really like his style though.

Some heads. I'm most interested in getting critique on the bottom right one and in second place the bottom left one.
There's something with the cheeks I can't quite get right.

>>1860603
bottom right: the neck is off. you made it look like your drawing was in 3PP while it should be in 2PP.
the neck should be thicker and shorter.

bottom left: while it's true that the "t" favors one side, you overdid it. there should be more visible of his right face half.

the one above that: neck fucked up again, majorly. think of the neck as a tube and the head as a cube.

>>1856148
learn the musculature of the body instead of just throwing together a wire frame

New here, I've recently started drawing and I suck at it so far. I can do only sketches, inking and coloring is still too much for me.
Did this one today with photo reference.
Pls don't bully.

>>1860684
Use a smaller resolution ?
Is there a book you are currently working on ?

>>1860691
My Photoshop skills are also mot professional.
Good now?

>>1857596
Fuck off you immature faggot.

I've been avoiding pinterest for ages now, I thought it was one of those annoying trends but there's actually a lot of good reference and shit there

gonna do this and report back

I only started being 'serious' about art two years ago and I haven't had time to practice in months and months. Decided I would go back to the basics for a bit. I've been hiding in pchats, doodling in corners while my friends do their thing. Really want to get better so I don't feel foolish drawing next to them..

A few quick ones from today.

>>1860867
This is too high res can you please make this more pixelated

>>1860867
Was this made with a potato?

>>1860874

sure thing brah

>>1860874

I draw really small. Bad habit I guess.

>>1860877

How does one draw with a potato?

>>1860878

don't be an ass.

>>1860881
It really is a bad habbit that you should get away from asap.

The heads look fine from what I can tell. But if you are working on this scale , how do you want to draw details like noses, eyes or ears ?
You are making it easy for yourself, one line
here and there and the eye looks quite decent without any detailwork or knowledge...
You could resize the image in your photo editing software and repost it for better crit, if it gets pixelated like in the first attempt consider settings up the document's dpi or redrawing the lines

>>1860881

>>1860909

Real quick one that's not tiny. I usually try to draw small and blow it up to a higher resolution then draw over that, but yeah, its probably not helping me any.

>>1860914

I.. I see.

>>1860919
It's alright but it's not great, that ear is bad. You remind me of this girl i used to know from a pchat, all she drew were expressionless floating heads like this, over and over. Never tried anything new. She never improved.

>>1860919
ear is too small and mispositioned. It goes approximately between eye and mouth line

>>1860704
The new resolution is much better.
Even without knowing the reference I can ensure you that everything possible is wrong with that head.
Not sure if its worth trying to fix it because might just as well start all over and put the drawing you posted in a folder called 'Dis is how it all started' and leave it there in a dark corner of your hard drive.

My first and utmost advice is to read the One-Stop beginner guide up in the sticky.
Even if all you want is to improve only a tiny bit just to draw decent heads/faces...
Make an effort and go through the beginner's guide, its not even that long.
There you will also find something regarding the chicken/scratchy lines you did when sketching. Its something you should get rid off immediately.
Those lines do not show that it is just a sketch but more that you have no idea nor confidence where to draw your lines.

After you read the sticky you can start off your journey with either a book or some video series guideline (some good recommendations in the beginner guide), although me personally I highly recommend sticking to a book instead of a video. At least for the beginning. Videos tend to bait you into thinking that drawing one example once or twice let you get the hang of a subject already and that you can move on. When you are working with a book on the other hand you usually have many more examples and its easier to take your time and focus on the practices. noobs tend to think that they have to be just as fast as the pro showcasing in the video.
A nice way to start off is with Loomis' book "Fun with a Pencil" which is free to download as ebook.
Force yourself to it, set yourself a goal, try out only the first 30 pages of it for the sake of it and see if you can have some fun with it. The beginning is a little dry but you will quickly get excerises to work on that can be a very fun to experiment with. Also make sure to not let out any face/example shown in the book. DRAW EM ALL

>>1860924

I won't be that bad, I promise. I like stupid expressions and energetic poses too much.

>>1860925

I KNEW something was off but I couldn't put my finger on..

>>1860928
Also I want to add that what I can see from your drawing you did not take a whole bunch of time for it.

I do not want to discourage you in any way becasue theere are much worse ways to fuck up a head as a beginner and its okay to sometimes just have the urge to get something down on paper without thinking about anything too much. But the in case you want to improve you have to work for it. Your drawing from a reference shows that you just rushed it, searched the lines somehow by scribbling your hairy lines somewhere and that's it. I know you and any 8th grader taking art education could draw a much better portrait with far more detail with a decent amout of time taken (2-4 hours)

>>1860928
>>1860933
Yeah did it fast, still, it's the better one among the abominations I've produced.
Thanks for advice, I have checked the sticky just after posting this and indeed there was a thing about this chicken scratch.
Know any good exercise to get rid of it? Or will it just go away with constant drawing?

>>1860940
Always take your time with placing lines and think beforehand where the next line has to go. Draw very long strokes and in case you feel like you missed the perfect line, instead of going 4 times over it , use CTRL+Z one or two times, although I'd also recommend to go easy about abusing the undo command since it can be very spoiling... you dont have that if you'd draw on paper, right ?

The more you practice the easier you'll get used to it obviously.

Is the perspective alright? If there are other pressing issues feel free to rip into it.

is it better or worse when I stop trying as hard

>>1856144
Still working on it

>>1860954
2noob4tell, but do you have a blog or something? I'm kinda interested in your stuff, or curious I should say. Even better if you have pore pokaymans.

>>1861076
2noob2tell* fuck me.

>>1860649
What do you mean 3pp?

>>1861116
Not him, but I believe it's 3 point perspective.

>>1861116
Edit: Is it 3 point perspective? how can you tell that from a cilinder?

>>1855880
>>1861130

I have recently began drawing on a regular bases, the art class I am taking has helped a lot in that regard. Unfortunately, the class is not what I wanted and it is far too late to drop.

So what I want to get at is, do any of you guys follow a certain schedule? I feel like I would progress better if I had something to guide me.

Thanks in advance, <3

>>1861118
>>1861116
yes, 3 point perspective.
because it looks like his drawing has a third 3vp somewhere under the head that makes the cylinder look like it was a cone, not a cylinder.

i am not saying it is 3pp. i am saying that i somehow get the impression because the cylinder/tube/neck is off

>>1861181
Look at your weaknesses, what do you need to work on? Pick a time or day or day of the week and dedicate a couple hours to practicing at that weakness. Then the rest of your time do some free-drawing

>>1861076
No, I keep my noob drawings to myself.

Critique please

>>1861634
What are you doing in a beginners thread?

>>1861715
>Laerning.jpg
Where I should be?

>>1861720
Your level is already beyond beginner, and you know it. Sorry, but It's time to go to get buttdevasteted by the d/ic/ks.

>>1861704
Looks like the Tyrants from Resi Damnation

>>1857519
wow that was a worthless critique

>>1858152
If your still around, have a wider value range, darker darks. that should add more depth

>>1856304
It's an established way of shading, but the anon is exaggerating it a bit.

>>1861704

bringin the helghast vibe

Reading up on Drawing on the Right Side of your Brain book, at the exercise where you have to find a place to sit down and draw a perspective view.

Can't find a comfortable as to where this can be done. Can I just copy an image I find somewhere on the internet? If so, what's a good basic image to try to draw for this exercise.

recommended first tablet?

Fuck, why is gesture so hard? Sometimes I feel like a robot, because I can't "feel it". Anyways, tear me a new with these ones. 1,2 and 5 min gestures.

>>1862044
They're decent enough. Copying other artists out helped me understand gesture better. Check out aztcfireflower's old CA sketchbook and see her quicksketches.

>>1862030
Personally, any wacom (I've only tried that brand, so I can really say anything on any other).

It doesn't matter if Intous, Intuos pro or cintiq. The cheapest ones (intous non pro) are like the intous 3 so that's pretty cool, only downside is the size but, personally that has never bothered me.

Also you can buy old model cheaper and they great too since they hit the max pression points on the Intous 4 (two gens ago). So you should be good regardless of your tablet.

>>1862048
Holy shit! Thanks, anon! Really helpful. I'll be checking them all night.

>>1861973
If absolutely necesary do it, but part of the excersice is to witness perspective in real life, not on photos. Try to sketch real life even if unconfortable.

>>1862051
cool i was looking at some used wacoms on amazon. they start at about $50. thanks!

>>1862056

Make sense.
In that case, I'll just say "fuck it" and try to draw where I can.

Yuck. Still went for it though!

Bout a fifteen min. sketch

Reference photo after this post...

>>1862092
Shit, sorry it's sideways!

>>1862056
>>1862062

Actually, in regards to this question. I was going to go about drawing at a park but my problem is, what's the best way to draw trees? Seems like a huge challenge for me.

>>1862097
I would start by something more "simple" perspective wise, like a mall or streets, since the buildings are mostly linear and you can see the vanishing points easier.

Hi everyone, absolute beginner here. The first book I've decided to go through is Michael Hampton's "Figure Drawing - Design and Invention." Has anyone here gone through this book? I've been reading through it and there's pages full of gestures. Do I try to copy them while keeping in mind, the artistic process of creating them or do I try to make new gestures while applying what I learned?

>>1862097
trees are like the easiest thing ever. they're organic and can be any size, it's nearly impossible to make them look bad,

>>1862279
you should download the course , it works really well with the book.

>>1862092
it's not bad for a 15 min sketch

>>1862279
Both.

>>1862302
>the course


"Analytical Figure Drawing"?

Halp

Halp>>1862475
Ref

I bought some pens
I don't know how to use them, what a surprise

What's the best exercise to learn how to see simple relationships of an image - thins like: the left hand is lower than the right knee (without asking youtself and conciensously check)

>>1862493
I had the same. started copying some etchings.
that was a good exercise for me.

>>1862506
Can I piggyback off of this guy? My proportion is all over the goddamn place, and the professor of the one class I take is now all about techniques for replicating different effects with different mediums.

His advice to me was to just keep drawing and drawing and drawing, and that an eye for contour will just grow naturally. Do you guys agree?

how do I git gud
Also should I ditch this normal hb2 pencil?

Am I getting there? I'm trying to convey the movement quickly but it feels like I'm not focusing on my line placement..

>>1862701
Whoops, didn't mean for that to be sideways.

>>1862302
>>1862306
Thank you, I appreciate the response.

>>1862683

>grossemesser

ma nig nog

>>1862701
no, these are bad.
how long did each of them take?

>>1862754
30 seconds or less. What can I do?

>>1862752
>someone recognizes what you drew
>and has good taste

>>1862757
>>1862757
you prolly are better off doing 2 minute gestures.

30 sec gestures, the ones i have seen that dont look like shit (no offence), are stick figures.

also read this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesture_drawing

>>1862701
Use long curvey lines, don't draw contours. You really shouldn't be using more than 10 lines for a 30 second gesture.

>>1862759
I lied about how long they took. I just can't get it no matter what I do. I feel like I have issues with how I perceive things or problems with my motor skills. I studied Hampton and Vilppu in regards to gesture drawing for hours on end but I still can't get the grasp of it when I look at reference photos. It gets me upset to the point that I feel ill and exhausted.

>>1862767
Use fewer lines, if it helps for starters you can think of the gesture as the center of the form. Just imagine a sort of bendy stick figure.

Draw with your elbow and shoulder.

>>1862767
lol.

i have a feeling you generally dont have much line control.
try improving your draftsmanship first. copying pictures accurately is a good exercise for this.

also watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INHeI6Lwtes

also for gestures, notice that the spine is really important. hampton starts with the head then does down the spine and then on to the weight bearing leg.
maybe try doing some with no time restriction. make notes what's important and think about what you do before you do it. think about each lines before you place it, why you place it, how it looks.

gestures are exaggerations of the human figure.

btw i disagree a bit with this: >>1862765

gestures can have a "contoural" quality to them, especially if you are drawing people that arent in some kind of mid-movement.
indicating where the shoulders and the hips are and how the legs and arms forshorten can help your gesture.

>>1862767
read FORCE by michaeldmattessi then

>>1862772
>>1862775
>>1862776
Thanks for the advice. I really do want to get better.

>>1862776
just found some video tutorial by that guy. might be interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07fusT-dwVE

I know I shouldn't copy from artwork but sometimes I just can't help it.
It's just more fun than real life

How can I make the hair/beard look different than the skin when I'm doing the shading? When i try to make the beard look like an actual beard it looks really stylized. After countless tries I was able to get the shape of the head decent, but i don't know how to make the hair/beard.

Any suggestions?

>>1862811
>sometimes I just can't help it
I get that. I can copy pretty mindlessly, and it helps get me started drawing for the day when I'm not in a thoughtful mood. Obviously copying is second tier to life, but it's infinitely better than doing nothing.

Do whatever you need to do to get mileage.

here's my study for today. how do I make a nice glow on these leaves? it turned out shit for me

I'm a painting neophyte

>>1862831
another

>>1862832
and a third, not really a study

Does anyone have any beginner exercises I can try? I have a lot of time to spare, and I'm reading up on Drawing on the Right Side of your Brain, but I would like more variations or practice at that level.

Currently, I'm on the exercise that is asking me to draw something in perspective (like a long hall way), but can't do that at the moment (perhaps tomorrow). In the mean time, I want to draw up other things since I got nothing better to do.

Any suggestions?

I'm going to (try to) upload one sketch here a day in an effort to keep myself motivated and hopefully git gud in a few years.

>>1863214
Do it, but do more than 1 sketch, and make sure to post even if it blows. That way you force yourself to try in every post so you can avoid embarrassment.

>>1862866
Just look around the house, find an interesting item or a bunch of 'em and try to draw them.

>>1863214
if you're doing still-lives don't just draw some object lying around. do it properly and make an arrangement. it's hard to feel good about a picture that would be shit even if it were well drawn. have a little pride.

>>1863269

Been doing that, guess I'm on the right track. I'm drawing fruits in front of cups to get a better idea of perspective while a lamp shines over it to drawing lighting.

Found a small art group around my area, and funny enough, talking to the teacher she told me that where her lessons end is where the book "Drawing from the Right Side of your Brain" begins.

I'm still new to drawing, so maybe I can get more insight as to what I should be doing.

Anon, I'm trying to develop my copy skills
and I'm using some photos for reference. But in 10 minutes of drawing I can already see that I've made a few mistakes, should I just start over or should I keep drawing till a finish the piece? If I am to start again, should I use the same reference or a new one?

Anon, I'm trying to learn from copying photos but in 10 minutes of drawing I can see that I've already made tons of mistakes. Question is: should I just start over or should I keep drawing till a finish the piece? If I am to start again, should I use the same reference or a new one?

>>1863224
I plan on posting even when I feel like ripping it up and burning it.

Anon, I'm trying to learn through copying photos,but in 10 minutes of drawing I can see that I've already made tons of mistakes. Question is: should I just start over or should I keep drawing till a finish the piece? If I am to start again, should I use the same reference or a new one?

>>1863466
Drawing period is the best way to get better, and both of the methods you bring up are good for improving in different areas of the craft. However, the first 10 minutes - and in fact the first 30 - 60 minutes as the case may be - are when you are roughing out the drawing. Mistakes here are the point, you are feeling out the subject matter, and learning what goes where. There is not any hard and fast answer, as it depends on your goals for the study period. Dig it?

>>1863472

I... I see. Thanks, Anon. I had this fear of redoing a draw, because if I got it right it would mean that I did so because I needed to get it wrong one first time and that would become a habit (I would need to get everything wrong first to start to get them right, lol). But, you're saying it's ok to get things wrong and actually there's nothing wrong in reworking when you're learning/studying a photo, right? And eventually I'll surpass this and have the skills to make one time draw that will make me feel like I've done it right. (Is that it?)

>>1863478
>if I got it right it would mean that I did so because I needed to get it wrong one first time
That's how learning happens, Anon.

>Is that it?
Precisely.

>>1863478

Usually when I have trouble with something (perspective is a pain in the ass for me), I try to read up on perspective and see what can be done to fix this issue.

You can also take a picture of the still life you're trying to draw on your phone, get that image printed at a local kinkos and try getting tracing paper and trace over the image. That way, you can see what mistakes you made.

This is all I can do tonight.

Total begginer, did some Loomis FWAP and first chapter of "keys to drawing" Dodson, only been drawing for a month or two.

I understand that there is a lot off with proportions and values, and I'm trying to take notes of what is good/bad.

Feedback appreciated!

>>1864245
Forgot picture!

>>1857447
I tried but gave her Downs in the process. Gotta learn to observe more.

Just did the first exercise in the keys to drawing book.

I'm a little unhappy with how the proportions came out on the leftmost foot, and how the ankle looks. I had no idea how to make it look not awkward.

Anything is appreciated

Anyone know anything about the "animator's survival kit"? Any good?

Hi, how the hell do I make my pen stop jittering when I'm trying to do line-things.
Got a waccom CTH-470 pen and touch thing
I messed with pen&ink settings on windows 7, but whenever I open paint.exe, I still get those jumps from one dot or line to another.

Also how do I draw hands fuck

Whatever, this is just simply what I have to go through.

Would someone make a new thread? This one's auto-saging.

>>1864586
I don't think I understand how cross-contour works.

>>1864758
I would, but I don't feel like making a neat compilation picture for the post.

>>1864831
so i did this and when i finished i thought
"hey if i blend this it should look more metallic" after i blended it i realized i fucking absolutely ruined it. tips for this situation? salvageable or no?

new thread >>1864908

>>1856142
it puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again

Critiques anyone?
:p

>>1865883
I assume you already know this but take this head into 2 vertical halves and you'll get 2 completly different persons.

>>1858211
>implying the legs on the original didn't have deviantart tier ebin shading

>>1860585
at least he fucking knows basic proportions jesus

>>1862279
I have the video course but I haven't been able to find a link to the book, help a brother out?

>>1864833
read scott robertson, your perspective is horrifying