/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

any problems?

'New to pencil' fag here, tell me why I suck at art please. (apart from drawing :^) on a failed piece)

Be harsh, if you can.

>>1853822
its still scratchy i know, anything else i should consider.?

>>1853927
Read the sticky

Before you start drawing anime and cartoons learn from the real thing

>>1853930
You're wasting your time. These threads are where we keep the broken toys.

>Cancer thread
>Containment thread

Pick two

>>1853936
Why are you even here then?

If you don't have anything constructive to say then don't

>>1853939

because shitheads exist.

>>1853941
You aren't the vanguard of /ic/. You come off as just as dumb.

>>1853849
I like it
Havent posted here in a while.

>>1853952

When are you ever going to learn, Tealfag?

>>1853952
The difference in leg-sizes are too big

>>1853952

>>1853952
That left arm is horrofically deformed and short.

>>1853969
>>1853983
Maybe she was just born that way.

>>1853986

lady gaga pls go

>>1853952
my god just stop, please.

derp

>>1853964
You think that's teal?

>>1854015

If it was teal we would see her pretty handwriting.

>>1854015
It's a wannabe horrible amalgamation of kyle and teal both.

>>1854015

Dude who tries to use teal methods but fails horribly. Hence Tealfag.

Honestly I think he has a good grasp on a few things, but fuck me if he isn't just about ignoring everyone who tells him he's doing it wrong. >>1853978 is a bit of a waste in that regard.

http://www.siliconera.com/2014/10/03/see-tetsuya-nomura-draw-sora/

>>1854034
Digitalfags btfoed.

>>1854012
Why waste time colouring stuff when you could of asked some critique on the sketch phase? Then we could of just said only your colouring is terrible.

>>1854055
shamefurr disprray

>>1853849
the pose doenst read well
>>1853927
You still lack fundamentals.
>>1854012
I rly need to stop thinking with my dick. Miku is off balance, and asses don't work like that

>>1854034
>While it looks like it takes only a couple of minutes to draw Sora, Nomura spent about two weeks on the illustration while fans tweeted to give him "power" to finish the drawing.
>two weeks
uhh...

>>1854078
Took a lot of breaks? Switched between other projects?

You can't imagine the supreme relief I felt when I saw him break out that eraser tho.

>>1854075
elaborate? Also morning warm up, d-does it count as studies if I have loomis open while I draw.

>>1854075
>>1854091
meaning why the pose doesn't read, apologies.

>>1853930
>>1854075

Well shit, sorry for the late reply. I'll take it from the top again, back to the sticky for me the, I'll start on anatomy and construction.

>>1854091

Not the anon you were talking to but I think he means that you can't really tell what shes doing.

Her leg's don't match the perspective of the torso.

>>1854092
what this anon said >>1854111, also try to emulate the position of the torso and the leg and youll se is extremely uncomfortable, hence seem unnatural.
>>1854111
You should go to practice some gestures, watch Proko videos about it. Otherwise you'll end up like me 2 years ago, struggling with anatomy and stiff bodies for quite a while. I still think movement is more important at first.

How do I draw eyelashes that don't look like complete shit?

help my photoshop dose not read my pen pressure. I have it on "transfer" but he still reads it as i was useing mouse. It worked just moment ago but then it derped.

How do I get better it drawing

I can't see it

I need to get better

>>1854197
Restart you are PC.

>>1854203
If you aren't drawing masterpieces when you begin just give up now.

>>1854204
>>1854197
Got to task manager, open service tab, restart tablet services.

>>1854203
Scott Robertson's How to Draw and Bargue plates

>>1854207
Pic related

>>1853787
i m not that good at line art so that why i spend more time doing the coloring, any advice to improve linecontrol/lineart in general?

>>1854268
Practice lineart.

>>1854277
ive seen some people that say ink your old pencil sketches, others say do drawings with only pen so you cannot erase and ive improved
this is an old one, and the miku is from yesterday

>>1854286
The real thing you should do is try drawing from life, the only way you will gain a steady hand is by practicing line art, read a beginners book in the sticky like I'm doing (I'm >>1853927) that way you can both help your line art and learn the basics.

anything I should change?

>>1854350
The rear looks a little high for that perspective

>>1854350
oh shit, i forgot to crop that...

>>1853964
We never stop learning
>>1853969
Yes
>>1853978
Different comp and perspective, it looks better though, Thanks
>>1853983
yes
>>1853992
shut the fuck up.
>>1854021
Chill bro, everyone is a horrible wannabe amalgamation of their favorite artists.
>>1854022
I don't ignore anyone, I don't even know why people keep saying this shit.
>Hurr becuz u still suck at it lel XD
Yeah no shit, any other clever observations?
>u don correct wat u post so it seems u ignore us
I don't correct stuff, I take notes and move on so I'm less likely to fuck up next time, also, It's a drag to filter the feedback and take appropiate notes when half of it is a byproduct of "hurr y u like teal you faggot boohoo".

>>1854376
I like you.

Just some characters I made up out of boredom. Feedback?

>>1854392
nice just make it more viewable next time.

>>1854091
added a figure

>>1854404
the right character face is too niggerish. Do you even need all those scribbles ?

>>1854408
doesnt matter how many scribbles he uses... whatever he's comfortable with works because once you ink it on another layer it's no biggie.

>>1854376

Try some viscom exercises, that will get you seeing and thinking in forms quicker.

Ignore the haters but at the same time don't get stuck up your own ass.

>>1854408
>too niggerish
>being this edgy

>>1854412
Admittedly I'm noodling, haven't really decided on a composition. though I can see everything clearly.

>>1854408
It looks like Panda, who indeed is rather niggerish in the source material.

>>1854404
I like those fat tits.

>>1854418
>offended
>"edgy"

I'm not sure if I should link you to /co/ or /v/.

>>1854429

maybe because he is black you idiot

>>1854432
nigger detecred

>>1854432
Who gives a fuck? One this the internet and secondly this is 4chan, do homos get offended from the 'faggot' name calling here? Fuck off chink faggot Jew.

>>1854425
So do I

>>1854429
It's a shit critique that's based entirely that anon's taste, nothing PC about it. But please continue spewing memes.

But yeah >>1854432 I am.

>>1854440
Go be sensitive somewhere else niga u jigaboo

>>1854444
no

>>1854446
Seems we have reached an impasse

(I'll wait till you look the word up for a reply)

>>1854418
>too niggerish


It was probably just a 4chan way of telling you their faces are incredibly fucking ugly. But thats just a matter of personal taste and not critique.

They still hella ugly tho

>>1854450
fair enough, not really a big deal.

>>1854452
>not really a big deal.
this is why you don't get better

>>1854440
>But yeah >>1854432 I am.

I'm sorry for you.

>>1854454
But I'm black, some afirmative aktion regaurding the work pleese

I deserve repairations

>>1854458
>he is now insulting his own race

i like drawing anime shamelessly in ms paint

experimenting in the middle of practices
obviously it's shit because I can into anatomy or realism yet, but should I keep building this style or should I drop it and try something else?

>>1854472
Never dedicate to a style til you have a ferm grasp of the basics.

>>1854473
some anon told me that it's ok to stylize in between practices to get better at your animus but fuck I feel like I knew deep down, you had to have your basics first

shit now I feel embarrassed for both my brain and my shitty picture

also is the most vigorous path usually the right path?

>>1854414
>viscom
What's that exactly? I can't find an official page or something, just random drawings made by different people and this:
http://ghelc.hku.hk/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Workshop-3-visual-communication-AJ-23_Oct_2013.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF-jELbYW3U
http://www.sketchwiki.com/perspective/
According to this it seems to be a class.
http://artofelaineho.com/viscom-1/
I would appreciate more info on it.

>>1854481
Viscom=Visual Communication. It's a type of drawing/class that is taught in schools like Art Center.

>>1854478
>some anon told me that it's ok to stylize in between practices to get better at your animus but fuck I feel like I knew deep down, you had to have your basics first

Different anon here. If your goal is to draw stylized stuff then it doesn't hurt to work on it on the side as long as you apply what you've learnt.

But don't build or dedicate yourself to one particular style, thats stupid. Look for and take in a whole bunch of influences, find what you like, what you don't etc.

>>1854463
>respecting your race
>race matters
Not him, but tone it down, I'm pretty sure a lot of white people hate and poke fun at other cracker asswhipes and their retarded side of their culture.
>But he's a black man that pokes fun at black people, that's so conflicting and wrong it triggers me!
>mfw

ITT

>>1854501
>a lot of white people
>not "a lot of us"

Nigger detected

>>1854502

that bird looks like it's rocking out and having fun everyone here are just being pissbabies

>>1854268
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3971zJW9VHI

other than that it might also help to look at work from people who ink well to see how they use lineweight and stuff like that

>>1854472
Style is something very personal, you shouldn't base it on other peoples opinions. Do what you like or you risk ending up with a style you hate yourself.

>>1854478
Another different anon here, getting good at drawing is more about mileage than anything, especially in the beginning, so just draw a ton - which is easier if you do something you enjoy and have fun doing.
You get better at something much more quickly if you practice it properly, but the worst thing you can do is not to draw enough, so don't attempt to learn drawing in a way you hate.

Ideally you should practice a mix of basics and stylization.

how2hands

>>1854613
Draw your own hands you pleb

>>1854620
But they're not kawaii.

moved rear down, added antlers.

>>1854635
perspective totally fucked

>>1854641
how/what would I fix?

>>1854376

Someone gave you another (better) redline after that one. Did you even look at it?

You just never seem to learn. You got good shit going on but it almost seems hampered by your own guidelines, like continuously drawing the facial features (seemingly) on the same plane and messed up perspective because you religiously follow guidelines that aren't correct in the first place.

Every time it's a thing about the faces, about the perspective yadda yadda. It's hard to think you're making much progress at all.

>>1854502
More appropriate

>>1854613
look at how other people draw hands (or anything else for that matter) and the steps they go through to achieve the results that they do (no need to reinvent the wheel). then apply this knowledge to your own drawings and modify the process as needed to get a style that you desire. also it helps to have a sample of what you are trying to draw to study from, in this case you were probably born with two perfectly good subjects of your own.

>>1854516
I'm actually a beaner, but I don't see how has anything to do with what I said.
Fuck your race pride btw.

>>1854738
>fuck your race pride gringo
>viva la raza~

ayy lmao

>>1854738
>hated by nearly all other races
>you yourself are hated by your own race for ragging on your own race

You best keep that shit to yourself unless you want to get your spic ass beat, normally only whites and niggers fall for that shit.

>>1854635
I honestly think it should be moved down even more. I love the antlers

>>1854734
Thank you!

>>1854751
We got a badass over here

>>1853525
paint over from last thread

here some tips.
-miku's twin tails are her signature trait. give them more attention. your's are lacking the twisting ribbon like effect they should have
-the hair color is too similar to the back ground color in your original picture.
-your shading is amorphous because the the brush you are using has too soft of an edge. Soft edges can look great but they need to be counter balanced by hard ones.
-you drew the contour of her face wrong for this angle and her mouth is drawn too far back. look a anime figures for reference. also try and Avoid the slack jawed tim buckley facial expression.

>>1854800
Kyle post things you've been doing lately please. I wanna see what you've been drawing. Also give me your Skype so we can talk about oppai loli futas.

>>1854153
I'ts going to sound weird but basically foreshorten lines around it

>>1854750
>generalizing
It's like saying all whites are fat retarded hillbillies that own shitons of guns, or that all blacks are ultra retarded gangsta thugs, and both are proud of it.
I'm not proud of my race nor my country because I find it extremely stupid to be proud of your nation/race when it's not something you choosed or worked hard to become.
>>1854751
>hated by nearly all other races

>taco bell, tortilla, frijole, jalapeño!
>once I went to mexico and I ate la pico de gallo in the pyramids, such amazing touristic paradise!
>ayy my wife cheats on me with paco the gardener
>tfw no latina girlfriend
>I love guillermo del toro, such great imagination
>oh wow, you're mexican, let's be friends on facebook!
>speedy gonzales was fucking hilarious, all mexicans funny as shit!
>I need some labour power, better call pancho!
>aw shit pollos hermanos, I wish I was a mexican druglord to have adventures with walter white!
>I can't wait to watch the book of life!
>dia de los muertos is so much better than halloween!

I could go on on how people all around the world, especially amerifats, love mexicans just for being mexicans, they find this place and it's culture so cool that I can't completely understand it, and also, you need mexicans to do the works the black and yellow men won't do anymore, but we're about to become as based as them so enjoy pepe the plumber while you still can.

>you yourself are hated by your own race for ragging on your own race
Most mexicans are pretty aware of the good and the bad things on the country, so no, if you publicly make fun of the shit side of mexico and its retarded people, everyone will have a laugh about it.
Go outside or go back to /pol/

>>1854818

>>1853929
don't use MS Paint lol, other than that, in some places the color leaks outside the lines a bit, which looks unfinished. sounds like you already know...

>taco bell, tortilla, frijole, jalapeño!
>once I went to mexico and I ate la pico de gallo in the pyramids, such amazing touristic paradise!
>hurrr..

and so on

Holy fuck how much time did you spend making this post?

None the less most of that is small time shit or a huge misrepresentation of them like japan for weeaboos or budda for whites, its Mexico for those retarded 'i'm a smart culture girl :)' you see at around age 18-21.

I went to mexico and talked to mexicans, they are nothing like your works of fiction.

>>1854823
>lol, he's not white, wathever he says is a complaint.
>>1854830
>I went to mexico and talked to mexicans, they are nothing like your works of fiction.
I live in mexico man, been living here all my life, what works of fiction are you talking about?
Also, where did you went? I'll let you know that there's a huge cultural gap between states.
Similar to what you would experience when comparing texas to washington or something.

>>1854832
im black and I hate white people I think most non whites will agree with me they are the worst people on the planet

>>1854833
It goes without mention than some really evil and retarded people happen to be white, and hey, SJW's and feminists are also white.
But every race/place has a shit side of things, so much that I highly doubt it's actually a race issue.
Maybe you just havent meet nice white people or are generalizing and being biased towards them.

>>1854832
>lol, he's not white, wathever he says is a complaint.
>I live in mexico man, been living here all my life.
There is the problem, you are bound to say nothing too bad about it, but at least you have race and country pride so.

I don't really care to talk more about it.

>Also, where did you went? I'll let you know that there's a huge cultural gap between states.

Ah your English could use some help, I like you so here is how I would phrase it.

When talking to someone and you are asking where they went to you say "Also, where did you go?", only when referencing to other people or objects should you end with a 'went'.

It would go like this "Did you see where he went?" but "Where did he go?" works too.

"I'll let you know" Should be "I'll have you know" , this is because you are not giving the other person a choice in the matter so it is "I'll let you run on the track from 5-6 every day" vs "I'll have you running the the track everyday!"

Oh and countrys and states are uppercase but you probably knew that.

>>1854843
>you are bound to say nothing too bad about it
half of the stuff I've said is bashing on mexico.
>Oh, so you're not a native english speaker NOW I have the perfect excuse to act all smug about your semantical shortcomings without completely looking like a jackass hehehe
Just tell me where you went.

>>1854851
I regret trying to help you.

>>1854853
I regret fokin ur mom

>>1854855
D-dad?!

>>1854855
>>1854853
>>1854851
>>1854843
>>1854840
>>1854833
>>1854832
>>1854830

I'm white and Im fat because I eat a lot of cheese danishes and I'm lovin every minute of it. I feel sorry for people who let different races of people dictate their quality of daily life.

>>1854856
Yes son, now you now the truth.

>>1854810
sent you a message

Found more transformers to copy

T4 is dried up, will probably need to order refills for all my grays soon...

no more

>>1854153
how about you start thinking about how not to draw symbol eyes.

hint: the answer is use ref.

I tried my hand at drawing with anatomy

>>1854938
>tangents

>>1854876

Dang, Kyle is living the dream right now

>>1854938
...and then she farts!

>>1855057

>>1855073
I thought Kyle was my art rival but then I learnt who he was and yeah I'm fucking shit.

>>1855073
> stylistically derivative porn
> living the dream

You know the drill.

I think I've completely screwed the right arm and leg, they look like they're at another angle to everything else.

>>1854645
>Aw man I'm so fucking spastic that I don't have anything better to do than shit on you for liking teal bluh bluh no progress fag weak weak.
>facial features not in the same plane
Hey there friend, are you past chicken scratch already? have you progressed? I'm eager to see how much you improved since http://i.4cdn.org/ic/1412545668886.png

>>1855105

Someone's mad.

First go at clean line art, some pointers would b cool

I'd like to eventually do anime-ish commissions

>>1855121
Yet again, shitposters have planted the seeds of anger in my heart.

Update from the last thread. Looks a lot better now compared to how it looked before.

Anything else that is glaringly off to any one else before I continue? (Aside from the hands cause they're just mittens for the moment)

>>1854478
I think it's unrealistic to expect someone to NEVER draw for fun or enjoyment until their basics are down. You don't learn how to cook by only learning your basics first. You cook a few dishes inbetween and brush up on what you could do better.

Your styleized drawings should be used as a way of tracking your progress in your studies.

By this line of logic, no one should draw stylied, ever, because no one is ever done learning.

Just don't let the stylized drawing outnumber the basics when you need practice on something. Don't do your studies in a style, do them true to life. But if you feel like doing a fun picture of a faggy catgirl or what the fuck ever, go for it, just don't expect it to be a masterpiece if you're not done with your basics.

can someone explain to me why some people fill the pose with unrealeted color to the skin color and then render it useing normal colors ? just why pink for the whole body, i get her stockings are pink.

>>1855084
>I learnt who he was
Tell us please

>>1855178
Fuck off we don't need another fucking drama scene where a faggot goes and starts making up dirt on someone out of spite coming from jealousy or a form of a buttravaged anal cavity.

Cunts.

>>1855192
What

>>1855131
Unless you're tryng to draw a faceless person, why would you start the coloring and lineart without a face?

Even if they are meant to be faceless, the skin should still sit over the bones (think of Slenderman, for example. For the most part, he isn't just a smooth block for a head, he's still got facial structure)


The arm don't match at all and the right (Our right not her right) elbow is tapering inwards too much.
Her hips are busted and the torso and hips are both oriented in different direcctions rather than just her torso/body twisting as it should.

The left leg doesn't connect properly to that foot (make sure when you sketch you draw the whole leg, even what would be hidden behind the right leg) and the right leg i all twisted. Unless she was wearing toe shoes (ballet slippers) it isn't possible to stand on the tips of your toes like that, she would actually be standing partially on the front part of her foot and her toes.

The fingers on the hands are just kinda broken.

The tits look great though. I'm surprised the only thing not fully fucked on this is the one part of female anatomy everyone fucks up horrifically. Cept her nipples look kinda like M&Ms and may not be centered properly but that depends on how much detail you like in your nipples i guess.


As for the lineart, I like the way you've done the lineart, and the coloring looks decent for very basic coloring and the pallette is pleasant as well considering it's just skin and hair.

Quickie redline to sorta highlight what I mean. I'm not fab at anatomy but those are the glaring errors I see. The box on the right I drew is what your drawing is doing with her spine.

>>1855172
nigga that's purple.

>>1855192

Buttravaged anal cavity is already happening.

Embrace it.

>>1855200
Damn man thanks so much for all that, almost feel bad getting this advice for free. I'm starting loomis now so hopefully that should help? I'll keep this paint over on hand though since I'll probably make similar mistakes in the future. Again, thanks.

>>1855172
If you pay close attention, you'll notice that it's not just one flat color.
They identify the lightsource and render the values accordingly, they use just "1 color" because they find it easier to just overlay the actual colors at the end + hue and value adjustments.

>>1855214
ooooooooh. So render everything to some point with one color and its diffrent values and then put some more color variations and render it on top of that on normal or overlay mode ?

>>1855212
No problem man, glad to help.

>>1855214
that's a good idea

>>1855172
it's similar to working in greyscale.

>>1855239
This
>>1855218
Yes, overlay mode.

>>1855057


Did the muscles

>>1855264

Skin

>>1855265

And clothed. I like how the face came out but i had trouble with the feet and hands.

>>1855265
why does he have three toes?

>>1855272

Its mutant. These are just stuff im brain storming for this comic i wanna do when i can

>>1855270
Forgot the picture

>>1855274
what is the point of you drawing layers upon layers starting from the bone structure, if you're not studying anything/applying any knowledge? It's like you've drawn 4 different drawings, not taking anything from the previous one. The bone structure wasn't that bad, but it got worse as you went on. The finished drawing looks like you just drew a character in 5 mins on a separate sheet of paper. Don't do unnecessary things and study.

>>1855281

Ok, i was looking at these for reference. Ill study it.

>>1855282

>>1855284

>>1855282
>>1855284
Rather than delving deeber into anatomy, your drawings would gain much more from simple forms in perspectice, rather than being flat with drawn on muscles.

>>1855282
dude, just read the sticky.
Check Michael hampton's "design and invention" if you're that eager to learn about muscles and bones, but it would benefit you greatly if you just started from square one.

>>1855286

Ok ill try perspective the next time i draw

>>1855289

Ok ill check it out when i can. Im trying to see if i can go to this art shop so i can get a book to use

>>1854800
Why would she freak out before her swim suit falls off?

>>1855328
As a female who has noticed immediately when the straps of my bathing suit came untied beforre the suit even began to fall I can say that her reaction to it slipping is fine.

When you have weight on your chest being supported, you kind of notice the second that support is gone and in a halter top that supports EVERYThING. So yeah, considering her nips are about to be exposed bitch is right to be freaking a little.

Reaction time isn't always the same despite feeling it come undone too so it's still realistic for it to fall (if you were to draw another shot of it) most of the way off before being noticed, especially in cartoons/anime where a "comedic delay' can be given.

If she lets it fall all the way off, not so realistic if she noticed it that early, but fine for a pervy pic.

>>1854800
That is one ayy lmao sized cranium holy shit.

Miku's head been in the water for too long.

yeup it's a xenogear

>>1855350

>>1855354
how can i get more "umph" in pictures like this one? i had trouble really making the blast seem like it wasn't just some circles i drew.

also crits welcomed on everything

>>1855356
i like it.

about the blast use highly contrasting values.

I think I kinda messed up a tad bit on the shoulders. I'm not super at shoulders anyways.

what do you guys think?

>>1855372
Noice

>>1855373
oh sweet, thanks!
I thought someone was gonna rat me out about drawing shit shoulders, but I guess they aren't too bad.

I wish I had a drawing tablet. Also a scanner. That way I could draw with a pencil and paper like I usually do, but then trace it over in sai or something.

>>1855178
No what I mean was I had literally only seen his old stuff and I thought he was my rival, because I was comparing myself to his baby steps by mistake.
>>1855192
Calm it, I was just being unclear.

>>1854914
Pretty gud

May I please have crit, redline, anything on this before I go further?

>>1855415
Is your style based on paper dolls? Everything looks cut-out and overlapped, like in those flash animations where the characters are essentially puppets. Is that the look we're going for here?

>>1855415
work on dem faces
they look disproportionate
also draw them as girls

>>1854635
Your angles are off that's why it looks weird

>>1855444
>draw them as girls
kek your privilege please

>>1853952
WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU VRISKA

It's a robot. I am definitely getting the hang of this whole gesture drawing.

Drawing is easy. I don't see what's the big deal.

>>1855446
Hes been told

I'm allergic to criticism, but h-h-here I go!

Far from finished, but I wanted to see if what I've done so far is decent enough. Mainly construction, and the colors.

>>1855469
That's not how gesture drawing works, dude.

>>1855469
>all dem chicken scratches
ahhhhhhh
don't be afraid to practice your lines and taking your time man

>>1855469
You are just naturally gifted, we can't all be that lucky anon

>>1855502
*yore

>>1855472
>>1855472
One more time!

>>1854876
>all that fat on Chun lee
>all that meat on Jinx

I mean it looks nice but what are you doing Kyle ;_;

>>1854938
This looks alot like Kienan Lafferty's work.
My only complaint is that she has a Mega Block for a foot.

>>1855440
I'm trying to make it animu style, but not flat. Any suggestion on how I could make it look a bit more full?

>>1855506
I don't get it.

Broquest? If so, yes. One more time.

>>1855415
this is extremely cute I hope to see more, I will attempt a redline

>>1855150
His lower legs are much longer than his upper legs, and while that's not uncommon in stylized works you went a bit far with it. I'd say position the knees a bit lower if you want to keep the legs long.

>>1855415
Does the guy with the cake sit on something higher up than the ground? Because if he doesn't his position indicates that he's sitting further back than the standing guys but the way he interacts with the middle guy suggest he's close to him. Also, I'm pretty sure the way he wraps his arm around the middle guy's leg couldn't work like this in 3d space, remember that the leg and arm have volume.

You seem to have a bit of a tendency to place the eyes too high up, they should be about half way down the skull. Middle dude is fine in that regard, but it looks off on several of the others.
Hope this was helpful.

>>1855192
Impossible, kyle is already dirty.

I know its really rough, i only started drawing a few months ago. Feedback would be great.

>>1855580
The sticky would be a good place to start.
and what I mean isn't that you're bad but rather you lack the fundamentals to give a solid critique. Apply it and then come back.

>>1855415

I tried, hopefully this gives you some insight. another anon was on about how the dude lying down kind of occupies space wrong, but I think the whole image has this problem. It looks like you started with the little guy but kept adding characters around with no planning or placement involved. I suggest you start thinking about how forms occupy space. There's four largeish men gathered around him, but they're packed in too tight,
Another thing is their faces/heads. They're just flat out the wrong shape, to the point where the angles of their heads are indiscernible. ie their eyes are looking down but their heads are not facing downward. The boy in the middle is the best figure you've got, I just kind of made his clothes look more like he's being pulled on/ groped/ touched. As people have said the figures lack dimension, I'd study standing positions, specifically how the legs work with the pelvis and shift weight from one to another.

Also I apologize in advance, I don't fucking know how to draw hands.

>>1855580
Also get some normal paper so the lines arent in the way of your drawings

>>1855514
Is that a good or bad thing? Also I'll probably try to make it rounder next time

>>1855630
http://knockwurst.deviantart.com/
Well he's one of the artist I pull inspiration from and the fact that hes one of the main artist for Riot Games, I think its a pretty good thing.
The foot really just kinda sticks out,everything else flows and that doesn't look like it left the sculpting stage.

>>1855654
except he quit like one two years ago and now riot contracts a company to do their public artwork.

slowly making progress on the linework

Dipping into the pool for the first time since starting to lurk.

>>1855728
Work on figures/construction, she feels sort of off balance as well.

hey animu thread do you think a thread where we have a challenge for people who don't usually do animu give animu a go would be fun?

>>1855817
No, because it would end with people either bashing something they don't like or derail into shit flinging contest like these threads usually do simply because group each other based on a few bad examples.

This turned out better than I expected considering my current level of skill.

>>1855866
>dat lopsided ass
>dat impossibru shoulder
>dem symbols on her back

keep working

>>1855817
People don't like to have fun in here, everytime someone makes a "challenge" thread they get told "hurr hurr no free work mane, gibe me de moni mein, <<</ɹ/"
>>1855818
You got it wrong, most (and I mean the vast majority) of the works posted here are far from good, but that's not the reason these threads get derailed and shunned.
We have a dedicated shitposter, that's a biggie, the cesspool renovates itself, we have new people posting now, people that haven't even read the sticky, thus, the average skill level always remains low; we have people that view legit critique as pretentious or offensive, we have people that don't know shit giving advice, and we even have people purposefully ignoring the material on the sticky while stroking their egos between themselves.
This place is a rite of passage, the most capable come out as better artist, the others don't.

>>1855818
too bad :(

anyway for contributes. slightly different formula this time (as if anyone would recognise my stuff)

>>1855866
Tomokofag.

Start with fun with a pencil, while at the same time studying up on linear perspective and begin working with basic shapes and forms.

>>1853952
>people still care about homestuck

>>1855866
AHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

>>1855674
Rock Lee?

Nice lines though.

>>1855921
I wonder if it'll actually end. And whether anyone will care if it does.

SOON
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDS-vmo1WeY&

>>1856086
cool, thanks for the share.

>>1856086
Pretty neat, subbed.

Binary tool

>>1856121
Nice. Seems like her head needs more mass on her right side and the chin should be either thinned, rounded more, or moved up.

Just a little sketch of a dude. How's he look?

>>1855200
this redline lacks so much depth and form

I'm really abysmally bad at drawing flowers.

>>1856126

Thanks m8

>>1856068
I'll do, I jumped into it recently, not when it started.
>>1856086
Cool, subbed, if this is actually you, godspeed my nigga.

dumping some

>>1856168

>>1855654
kienan lafferty is my homie

>>1856169

>>1856171

>>1856174

>>1856175
the last for today

>>1854876
I wanna see more.... DA, tumblr....etc?

>>1856176
I like all of these, you happen to be published?

>>1856211
published?
i have a blog and a behance if you mean that.
camotron.tumblr.com
behance.net/camotron

>>1856241
Ah, your stuff looks like it's out of children's books so I wondered.

>>1856248
thanks!, i would love to ilustrate some childrens book hehe

>>1856262
So fucking send your shit to publishers

>>1856263
i think is not that easy, but thank you for the love

>>1856266
Who said anything about easy coward

>>1856267
haha ok
you are rigth

>>1856267
Could you please get a trip or a name so I can filter you?

>>1856263
Just chiming in to say that there's another route to that - find someone who's writing a children's book and contact them instead. If you two get together and make a book complete with illustrations you can send that to a publisher and increase both of your chances of getting published.

You'd have to collaborate with a writer to properly illustrate a book in any case.

>>1856272
Fight till death brother

>>1856273
>being this butt mangled over someone not publishing their work

lel

>>1856121

Buddy just try to trace her scalp. Do you know how abysmally stretched upward it is? I'm no expert at head angles but you really need to drag that hair back down.

>>1856332
Thanks

I hope both issues are fixed now

>>1856341
Firez, why won't you try and draw Miku? I know you know you want to.

I posted the thumbnails in the last thread and decided on this one. I'm trying to do greyscale first then an overlay or gradient map.

>>1856332
I hope both the issues that you guys remarked are fixed, I also noticed some minor ones.

Thanks.

>>1856349
It's because a very silly reason. I told myself I will not draw Miku until I become a Vocaloid producer.

>>1856354
draw rin

how did i do with the alium /ic/?

>>1856383
no body cuz im a shit

>>1855553
>>1855614
Thank you so much. Your comments and your redline really are helpful to me. I'm working on attempting to fix these issues.

I'm going to do some reading and practicing on forms + space. If you have any particular good links on the matter, I'd love if you could share them, please.

I wish I could reply better, but I'm so tired right now ahah...but I really do appreciate you all helping.

>>1855674
>>1856059
Thanks.

Finished.

>>1856354
all i did was move the mouth down and erase some from the left (her right) edge, move the nose to the right (her left) rotated and erased some to make it softer, then free deformed her left eye and eyebrow to make them a little bit larger (pulled it over to her right side on the edge)

it gives her a softer more feminine look i think

>>1856059
Thanks.

done.

>>1856597

10/10 got better

Anything need changing on this so far?

>>1856597
Thanks so much for this, I was thinking about at fed-up expression but yours is more pleasing and honest.

I also noticed that her measures were a bit too adult-like, so I made her legs shorter and thinner.

>>1855728
i feel like you just need to do more drawings of actual bodies instead of drawing from imagination. i also think compositionally her face works out better facing down. thats just my opinion though

>>1856746
Holy shit thank you! I've been practicing though I think I should practice a little more, yeah? Thank you again.

>>1856362
I did Rin some months ago but I'm currently doing another vocaloid illustration hoping to use it as a PV.

>>1856727
really unclear what's happening

>>1856737
just make sure you pop the top of her head down and watch out for her ankles

>>1856766
apart from sex?

>>1856768
forgot pic

>>1856771
I didn't even realize there was a second figure at first glance, maybe clean it up?

>>1856777
this help out any?
kinda not wanting to mess with the roughy's cause im stingy about what CTR Z's i have left

>>1856780
>I'm going to assume this is the whole composition in context

Why is the picture so cramped? Is it a part of a larger image? Why crop that guy's back off? If you goal is to make porn, most of the action is being obscured., why are we looking behind from behind the guy?

>>1856789
I start small and work my way outwards with the picture, Once im done with this block i'll add onto the canvas size and add more to it. for now this is all i have

>most of the action is being obscured
I was gonna do something where the viewer can see through the guy, like he's translucent or something

trying something new with that though

I know I'm going to get absolutely crucified, especially due to furry stuff but you gotta do what you gotta do.
Bullshit character sketch I'm working on. Posted it in another thread about a week ago, got critique, periodically worked on it since then, here's where I'm at.
I'll eventually just be painting over it, so I'm not terribly worried about line weight right now or some messiness in the lines.

I'm certain there's plenty of things wrong with it, but I'm having so much trouble pointing out where exactly some issues are.

Also right hand is missing because I was having trouble with it. I'll get to that later.

Hopefully I won't get too ass-fucked.

>>1856795
Animal fuckers leave

>>1856817

Why are these threads so much worse than the beginner threads?

>>1856832
I feel like the beginner threads got good when they started doing studies and non beginners started to post just because they needed a place to study.

As for the dialog, this thread seems to attract more horny teenagers, when they act immature we all get to indulge in the shitposting

How can I change my messy doodles into rough sketches? People talk about how sketches should help show where things go, but I feel like I'm doing too much of a sloppy job

>>1856832
This thread attracts both ends of the spectrum, a lot of new artists that are coming here for the first time and really don't know any better and those who hate this thread's existence and would rather shitpost and argue about semantics so long as it derails the thread.

>>1856871
Also, some beginners who post stylized things in the beginner thread get shit about being there instead of here

>>1856795
>especially due to furry stuff
Nah man, only one or maybe two guys are autistic enough as to report loli, horsecrap and furries, the rest don't really give a shit as long as it's being posted for the art and not the fetish; it's curious as this place is practically alienated from 4chan.
>Posted it in another thread about a week ago
>periodically worked on it since then,
>a week ago
You gotta let go man, it doesn't matter how much time you further spend on it, your own inhabilities won't let you reach a significant change in quality, unless it's a comission or something really important, you should've done at least one of these sketches every day since then, quantity of work is more important than quality of, also, some people think it's an obvious given , but I cannot stress how important it is to do studies, that's why you can't get the right hand and the balance to work out, because you don't have that info. on your head yet, you gotta do studies everyday on the subjects you feel weaker (life drawing, gesture drawing, perspective et.al).

Seriously, just produce some reference, fix what you can, paint if you want and move on as quickly as you can.
http://www.viscoimages.com/photo/183493-Confident-business-man-walking-with-luggage-bag.jpg

>>1856866
A typical beginner's mistake is the so called chicken scratch, also known as a hairy line. This is going over your lines multiple times.

Well, don't.

Use clean lines. Knowing where and how to draw your line is part of your basic drawing knowledge. Practice drawing long, steady lines with confidence. If unsure about your drawing, think about your next line placement instead of wildly guessing.


I am just quoting the beginner sticky here but you are correct, sketches can or should show where things go, but if you yourself have no idea and are indecisive, the sketch won't help you with anything.

>uh muh but I wanna just draw animoo and no realism

Even if you want to focus on drawing animu you need at least some basic knowledge about the human body.

I mean you could just go practicing and redraw the same shit over and over util you may or may not improve but with this method it is very likely that your characters will still look like fucking shit after 2 years of constant drawing (>>>/deviantart/)

I mean your sketch is not utterly terrible but every beginner could come up with what you posted by just 'searching' for the right lines.

tl;dr use long decisive lines, think where the line has to go before drawing it, go through some anatomy/beginner book from the sticky, it might take some time to get through them but it'll be well worth, even if your focus is animay waifus

>>1856884
I don't just want to draw anime, obviously. I've only just started trying it out. Usually when I sketch i chicken scratch, and when I do final lines I draw normally. I did these quite quickly and I think that's why it looks so messy. I went though most of the sticky already. I trained myself to use my whole arm while I draw, but that didn't top my chicken scratching (though inking feels much more natural). Thanks for the input. Do you think I should stop sketching this style and work on lines more? Work on anatomy more? I have completed 4 books so far which main focus was anatomy/figure drawing

>>1856888
>>1856884
Are these lines better?

>>1854376
Dude just type your notes out, I can't read your hand writing

>>1853978
fuuuu almost thought 0033 joined us

don't do that you're not him

>>1854876
Kyle you son of a bitch where the hell have you been?

>>1856187
http://kairunoburogu.tumblr.com/

>>1856884
To elaborate a little bit on what this anon said about clean line work is something that I struggled with until I realized something and that is clean, confident lines are the product of two things.

First is how confident you are with your utensil and making a mark. Whatever medium you are using should be an extension of yourself starting from your shoulder all the way down to your fingers, this comes with a lot of mileage and just drawing a whole hell of a lot. There are a plethora of exercises you can do if you look up improving line confidence.

Secondly is how confident you are in your forms and what it is you actually are trying to draw. You can be great at making marks but it doesn't mean much when you're not entirely sure where those marks should go. Most beginners have scratchy lines because they try to feel out their forms by going over edges and contours multiple times because they're having difficulty visualizing them. Learning and applying perspective will help you immensely and if you grind it out now it will pay off massive dividends in the future. Look into RapidViz, it's the book that really helped me along the way with this.

Getting clean and confident line work is a continuous process but it will make your life much, much easier and your work will look much nicer because of it.

>>1856888

Not him , but you shouldn't draw hairy lines ever, not even when "sketching", just draw with your shoulder, unless you want some carpal tunnel mane.
>Work on anatomy more?
Everyone works on all fundamentals for ever, and all fundamentals rely on eachother to function in succesful displays of draftsmanship, or in other words, to do good drawings you need to be good on all fundamentals.
So when you feel it's time for a change, shuffle your usual subjects and focus on the new ones for a while, for example, now you could delve into perspective, form and color, or whatever catches your attention, just remember, you gotta master all of them, so you'll find yourself revisiting and relearning the stuff you previously studied.
>I don't just want to draw anime, obviously
Watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMUYG1hkY5c

>>1856893
That redline is not mine I'm the one being "corrected".

>>1853822
I'm not really 'trying' to make stylized work 'in-between' other stuff as I'm not a career (or career-minded) artist, but here is a...thing. Trigger warning: I am human HS garbage, do your best to see through it. I was pleased with this quickie (took maybe 30 mins?) simply because I didn't use any figure references, even that thing we all do where you awkwardly try to look at your own hands from a weird angle. I esp. like how naturally his grip on the weapons turned out.

>>1856905
Use reference

Use

Reference

Your proportions and anatomy in general is all over the place, it's pretty flat, your lines are kinda hairy and for Allah's sake practice trigger discipline, even in your drawings

Keep on drawing and keep on learning, brougham

>>1856905
Hi there fellow human hs garbage.

>>1856598
Came out really nice

>>1856907
indeed, I just started using a tablet a few days ago so shit is gnarly. i don't know anything about adjusting sensitivity or brushes or whatever, this is all basically default PS. as for the proportions, are you referring to his smallish head? don't freak out, I draw from life/images all the time but I enjoy challenging myself with brain-only exercises like these. it is such fun! as for the flatness, I kinda prefer unshaded images but sure, yes. as proof that I haven't just been drawing gay anime crap here is a sketch I did back in Italy, I dunno, in 2011 maybe?

>>1856892
Why yes they do look a lot better.

There is nothing more to add to what those two plebs added:
>>1856898
>>1856897

Avoiding the chicken lines might seem hard in the beginning and won't just happen overnight if you got very used to it but in long term it will benefit your drawing and confidence, even when sketching something.

Its great that you've already worked through 4 books, at the latest this is where your grinding starts, as pointed out by another anon, you will never ever stop learning. Even if you have covered topic x in one book, you can always read another book about the same subject by another author and still learn a few new tips and tricks.

On what you should do next: I haven't seen anything but heads yet, so maybe get into figure drawing in combination with quickposes.com and practice those. Or anything that you are super uncomfortable with. Fight with it and draw it 1000x times until you love drawing hands or feet for instance if those are subjects that you might struggle with.

One last piece of advice that I was going to say in my first response is that even when drawing anime/manga and drawing something you really love: Never draw without reference, especially not as beginner. Its a huge misconception with this alternative stylization that people think just because it isn't "real" you don't need no reference and you HAVE to come up with it from pure imagination/fantasy.
If you come up with an idea go and use real life references and just apply everything you see to your own drawing. There isn't a pose that you could not find references for nowadays..

I've just found out about this place and thought I could get some critique with a piece I've been working on lately. Apart from the obvious chicken lines, which I want to fix, how does it look in general? I don't usually do alot of colouring, so I haven't practiced alot in that. Thanks in advance.

>>1856795
pose looks to stiff an unatural,
shirt and belly button are off center and not lined up with neck

>>1856933
I like how SeaLoud came out so far. But as for Tifa because she is in focus: neck lines don't make sense, shoulders, breast lines unnecessary (where the top starts), ear mispositioned, face elements too symbolic. I realzie we are in and alternate stylization thread but you probably drew the eyes from imagination resulting in those fishy from eyes; also mouth position is off. Consider looking for a real life reference for her pose , I'm sure you'll be able to find dozens of examples in that position. I wouldn't bother drawing single lines of hair, especially not with the aimed style. Think of hair as large chunks that belong together as you partly already, tho her hair could need some more physics and dynamics.

The coloring looks kind of muddy, try avoiding the blur tool too much or even at all. But I can't really give much advice regarding that subject.

All in all both characters need some more anatomy and in order to clean up the chicken scratch and finalize the drawing, I'd suggest you try out some sort of ink pen (slightly bigger than the pen tool you used for the sketch) and redraw the complete line art with long and confident lines. Take your time with the lines and also try not abusing CTRL+Z too often, instead focus more. Even when drawing your own ideas use references, not necessarily real life but maybe also from other skilled artists, it'll help you improve much faster.

> #1 - #6 Found some transformers prime refs. Why no nose? I don't get it...
> #2, #3 tried some heavier inking
> Right - copied windblade idw cover

The permenancy of traditional is getting realllllly annoying. Sometimes I want to try a different BG, or some random color with the eyes, but obviously I can't undo - so lame.

Considering going digital, but I really hate sitting at the computer... I'm already in front of a monitor for 8 hrs at work...

Running out of female transformers refs

>>1856940
Thanks alot for your help. Alot of what you said was simple, I should have seen alot of it myself really, but I suppose sometimes you need an outside eye.
So I've done a quick fix of her head/shoulder area....lowered the ear, moved the mouth slightly and re-did eyes and shoulders so they're not so predominant. I'm more happy with it now, so thanks for that.

I'll re-do all the lines eventually, but when I try a larger brush to go for clean, long smooth lines, I can never seem to get the nice look I want. Can anyone suggest a brush/brush setting that gives good results? Thanks.

Still trying to paint faces.

>>1856933
yeah, I definitely second the comment in >>1856940 about the boob lines, mostly cuz I see this all the time in developing artists (and of course, did this, at some point). to be specific, the outlines of her breasts on her shirt are far too extensive/detailed for the article of clothing, even if you want it to look tight. look, even miley's tits can't find a way to pop through a similar garment. some of her other anatomical detailing, like the lines around her knees seem off too. and I'd just erase her 'two-pack' ab line, especially considering the pose she's in, which would tend to fold her torso a bit anyways. I don't want to come off as mean here (this community is pretty judgmental already, I got a lotta heat myself today) so I wanna say I'm enjoying all the detailing you've done on the armor, it seems like it is one of your strong suits. that said, she feels kinda like an entirely different thing (obviously I'm ignoring coloring here) that is not part of a whole image, since the level of clothing detail on her is so minimal by comparison. I'd try to balance the two by adding some 'busy-ness' to her figure, if not in her clothes then in a prop or something.

>>1856959
lel she sucks in her gut every time she's in public, kinda cute, speaks to her insecurity i guess.

>>1856964
hehe this actually made me smile

>>1853822
ok I'm going to try this again, hopefully this time without ensuing brutality. which I was somewhat prepared for, but not really (i'm fresh as fuck around these parts, can you tell?). all this crap is just pencil unfortunately, but certainly fits the bill as stylized. issues that are already apparent to me 1) this picture is super boring, is she going to church or what 2) who broke her fucking finger, 3) dead glassy eyes, prob too much church. Not gonna finish this but I like the details of her face.

>>1856383
Ayy lmao?

Cheers for your input. I've tinkered it a little again, changed a few bits, erased some lines like you said.
I had been debating whether to complete her costume (incase you're unaware, the character is Tifa from final fantasy7), so after what you said about her being quite minimal in comparison, I put the rest of her stuff in - gloves, bracers and better boots.

I'm not fully happy with the skin colour yet, or the actual lines, but this is where I'm at so far on her...

>>1856905
>Trigger warning: I am human HS garbage
Who says we aren't?

Anyway, the lower portion of the neck is really thin, in combination with the tight neck of the tee he looks a bit strangled.
The vest looks odd to me as well, it looks like it should be relatively thick due to being quilted (and it does in fact seem to have some volume to it on one armhole), but it looks pretty flat/thin in most areas.

I do like your style, maybe next time you're working on something longer post some steps in between so we can give you critique you can actually use to improve the picture? Or do you intend to work more on this one?

>>1857074

Face is still really unappealing. Shading is muddy, the hairline is far too high up, and the lips look really symbol drawn. There's more but I can't really tell; she just looks plain ugly. Making the lines more subtle might be useful, because the more detail you pen in the older she'll look.

Also like >>1856959 said, boobs don't make lines. Clothing does not stick like a leotard. And boobs also start hanging only at the bottom bit where they droop down from the chest, so there really shouldn't be any real shading at the top where the pecs are just starting; otherwise it looks like she's having a major case of old woman's sag.

>>1856772
Got it, thanks again

>>1856956
I remember that someone suggested me that stylized eyes should be bigger in a vertical sense instead of an horizontal one because in the latter you risk making the face too wide and messing up its proportions.

>>1856949
>The permenancy of traditional is getting realllllly annoying

I feel you. Then again, having to draw things several times to try stuff forces you to draw more - at least it did for me, I think I actually really benefitted from it in the long run.

That said, there is no reason you can't do both, just scan your inks (or take a good picture of them I guess) and either try color schemes on the computer before you dive into markers or just marker your image and then try digital variations if you don't like your first attempt.

Alternatively you could get a light box if you want to stay all traditional, but obviously that only saves you some time because you still wouldn't be able to swap out only the eyecolor.

>>1856894
0033 would have used about half the number of lines.

>>1857103
Increasing the eye size vertically messes with the cheekbone area. There is no way to draw larger eyes without influencing other facial proportions as well, so which one someone choses just comes down to personal preference.

(Not OP btw)

>>1856880
To be fair, I've been working in my sketchbook much more than on that drawing. I'd -like- it to be good, but I should just drop it, I guess. Usually I don't have too many issues with previous drawings, but this one is a train wreck. Shit sucks.

>>1856897
>>1856898
>>1856931

Thank you so very much! I'll consider all of what you guys said ^^ I really like drawing, and there's someone I want to impress, too. People on here say they hate practicing something, or hate drawing something because it feels like a chore. I think that's really sad and I hope that never happens to anyone who really loved drawing to begin with.

Also, I usually do a page of gesteres a day, one or two figures, and then some manga/cartoon picture. I think I will focus on lots more of what I struggle with instead of what I already got better at, but I'll still practice it.

One more thing:

I know you guys (all of ic) talk about how chicken scratching is really bad and some people don't really care about it, but I think it's really cool that you guys look out for each other, since drawing like that every day can hurt you for a longggg timmmee. At lots of times there are fights here, but I really like that everyone looks out for each other in that way, too! ^^

New Thread:

>>1857131
>>1857131
>>1857131

>>1856949
>The permenancy of traditional is getting realllllly annoying. Sometimes I want to try a different BG, or some random color with the eyes, but obviously I can't undo - so lame.

Thats what studies are for.

>>1856987
Her nose and mouth look set back to far.

Whats the best copic marker set to start out with for anime?