/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>1823710
>I'm not just going by /ic/

but if you were you have to realize that the way people treat each other, especially on 4chan, is not nice. if someone has a bad day then they will use 4chan to blow off some steam by being a total dick to a random stranger just because they can. my point is: people arent assholes on here because they are artists, they are assholes because they can. tripfags are an easy target and easily justifable because the general concensus seems to be that tripfags are shitposting faggots and attention whores. imo that's a prejudice that's pretty far away from the actual truth. there are some tripfags that shitpost but most seem to be actually like any other posters, the only difference being they have a recognizable name. in most cases tripfags arent even actively trying to derail a thread. that's mostly people responding to their mere presence. i have seen this happening on other boards before and /ic/ of course is no exception.
/r9k/ used to have a tripfag called JLH. that tripfag could derail a thread by replying to it. that wasnt his fault. that's the fault of the people who get massively angry at him. in fact /r9k/ had specific threads were butthurt people would talk about how to ruin his life. it was ridicoulus. JLH wasnt even trying to troll and the obsession people had with him was probably because apparantly JLH was a chick.

people forgot that the quality of a board is the result of everyone's behavior. especially on slow boards like /ic/

"Critique" Doesn't mean "Be an asshole" like a lot of people here think. It also doesn't mean pick out only the errors in a painting.

/ic/ is especially full of bitter, jealous people.

>>1823719
Even if it's pretending or people being careless, I don't understand why it's necessary at all. I imagine that many people who are emotionally sensitive backed down from their truths because of posts they read.

The strange thing is that the malicious atmosphere of this website only started bothering me years later.

>>1823719
sup Firez

>>1823710
All Artists are insufferable cunts, more faggotry at eleven.

>>1823710
Well, the world of art is extremely, EXTREMELY competitive.

Actually, I don't think there is actually more competitive than trying to make it as an artist. Hell, most good art doesn't even get recognized until after the artist is dead.

Attempting to create something beautiful for the purpose of fame, recognition, and respect is something every single human being strives to accomplish. That's why there is so much spite and so much bitter jealousy.

You should have listened to your mom and became a dentist, anon. This is a world not meant for the weak of heart.

>>1823738
Bullshit fine contemporary art yes. Any other non-shit tier art isn't that competitive. If you are good, you will get work. It's as simple as that.

I get offers for studio jobs every other week and I don't even advertise myself at all anymore.

Git gud, help your comrades git gud. People need to stop being dick bags to each other.

>>1823725
i think accussing people of jealousy is shortsighted. i dont insult people because i am jealous of them. i insult them for other reasons. in fact, i look up to the people i am jealous of and they are the reason why i come to this board.

>>1823743
so you insult those worse than you instead?

>>1823742
>People need to stop being dick bags to each other.

they should but they wont. people here give as much of a shit about anyone on the internet as they do about starving kids in africa and all that grab. for all i know, you might not even be real and even if you are, you are in a country far away anyway.

>>1823744
it's not that easy. that's my point. and that's how it is for most people.

>>1823742
>I get offers for studio jobs every other week
Well, why are you still in /ic/, then?

>>1823745
>you might not even be real
ouch anon
i am very real

what happens to people when they get used to Anonymous is that they stop seeing humans on the other side, only floating thoughts for which one doesn't have to consider or bear responsibility for. you would never talk to people close to you like this.

i talk to everyone as if i am close to them. you musn't forget that Anonymous was created by and is sustained by real people.

>>1823751
>you musn't forget that Anonymous was created by and is sustained by real people.

which is basically what i said here:>>1823719

dont get me wrong, i am not arguing against you. i am just saying how it is and the reality is that there isnt people who only shitpost and people who never shitpost. the reality is that sometimes people shitpost and sometimes they dont. that's the way of the 4chan.

to reduce the shitposting to a minimum just dont reply to shitposters because once you get in an argument with them you are at least as responsible for the decline of quality as they are.

>>1823743
That is not accurate unfortunately. It is true and a psychological fact that we look up to the people who we perceive as far superior to us. That's where jealousy no longer becomes a factor because they are just completely above our own skill level.

The real cases of jealousy however don't happen when you look at those artists, but when you look at good artists who are better than you, but still worse than many others. That's when you refuse to admit you are jealous and you start blowing their flaws completely out of proportion and you start insulting them irrationally.

>>1823719
FiReZ go away.

I wanted to weigh in on this topic. I don't think artists are unique in regards to they're spiteful negativity. Any field is going to have unpleasant people. From part time jobs to salaried professions, some people will just behave poorly. As for /ic/ as others have said being an anonymous board by nature encourages poor manners. Couple in the culture that 4chan passively encourages (casual racism, sexism, and homophobia) and it can be very easy to see /ic/ and the artists that come here as hateful.

That said I still can't help but think that with all the problems I've mentioned this place is still a net good. Despite this being a "slow" board by 4chan standards it's still relatively fast compared to other places about the net as far as genuinely discussing our and others art.

Lastly I wanted to speak about the bandwagoning on our board. It needs to stop if this place is going to be more than /b/ with some drawings. LOOMIS IS NOT CRITIQUE. Critique is giving specific opinionated advice on what someone could do to improve an image. Telling someone what they did wrong, what they did right, what you like and what you don't is critique. Uncanny valley is not applicable to every drawing with bad anatomy or stylized in a way you do not like, nor is it always a flaw (Lucong). Fine art is not all shit. Anime is not all shit. Thinking in broad black and white terms is childish and is what propagates these memes and halts progress.

So what I mean to say is I can see how negativity amongst artists here and abroad can upset you. It upsets me too but only because I know this place can and on many occasions has been a good resource for the developing artist.

>>1823999
>what you like and what you don't is critique

I have had people actually criticise me for this btw.

>Uncanny valley is not applicable to every drawing with bad anatomy or stylized in a way you do not like, nor is it always a flaw (Lucong)

Uncanny valley, in it's nature, doesn't work with paintings or drawings anyway because they are too far away from actual real life. It applies to humanoid robots that try to emulate human features but fail to accomplish close resemblance. A good example is this pic from the wiki article.

It doesnt apply to paintings or drawings because those are more or less just symbols

>Thinking in broad black and white terms is childish and is what propagates these memes and halts progress.

It's what the internet likes to do because with reasonable standpoints you wont attract enough attention to warrant a reply to your post. Meaning that if you dont assume an extreme position in your argument, you are most likely going to be ignored.

>>1823710
I've never experienced this in the real world, not more than any other field. I see it on /ic/, because this is 4chan and everyone is angry. Seems like you're making far-reaching assumptions based on a very limited set of data.

>>1823728

You're not the only one dude, I used to surf /v/, /d/, /g/, /ic/ all night every night 3-4 years ago and anymore I can only tolerate all of 4chan in small bursts

>>1823999
>homophobia

Stopped reading right there.

>>1823710
I like the paintings of Maruti Bitamin. I wish he varied the themes a bit more though.

And no those guys were not me but I agree with them.

>>1824037
>I have had people actually criticise me for this btw.

I think it can sometimes be helpful. I like the blue here is not as helpful as the value and saturation of the blue here creates a nice readable contrast but it's better than nothing.

>It doesnt apply to paintings or drawings because those are more or less just symbols

Realism and Hyper or Photo Realism are styles of painting. If one were to try to paint the mannequin in the photo in a hyper realistic style they would be trying to realistically capture its uncanny look. I can't say whether that would make it work as an individual piece of art or not. My point was I saw a thread here once about the concept of the uncanny months back and since then it seems that many people took it to mean that anything with poor or stylized construction to be uncanny without understanding really what it is. The parroting of these phrases without understanding them (Loomis and the like) is not really helpful or at least it isn't to me.

>>1824218
Granted maybe homophobia isn't the best word for it but I just don't think it's very nice to use the word fag as much as it is used around here. I wouldn't use that word casually in my real life. I understand this is the internet but...I don't know.

>>1823710
I love that picture, but Reverse Image Search produces nothing. Is that OC?

>/ic/ being the worst community
>Not that steaming pile of shit called the "gaming community"

>>1824512
see
>>1824244

Anyway, here is the link

http://maruti-bitamin.tumblr.com/

>>1823710
There isn't. Really there isn't.
I know really good people who are a bit harsh and direct with their criticism though, still a bunch of cool dudes.

>>1824482
>and since then it seems that many people took it to mean that anything with poor or stylized construction to be uncanny without understanding really what it is. The parroting of these phrases without understanding them (Loomis and the like) is not really helpful or at least it isn't to me.

yeah, i agree with you

>>1824482
big difference between being a fag and being a homosexual

Lurking this place redpilled me about art and made feel bad with myself enough to get gud, and that's a nice starting drive, participating on the site however, is like jumping to a psych ward with no medication or wardens, you might be minding your own business and some retard might blast you with his shit for no reason at all.
It's not nice, one time I actually got told to kill myself for a drawing that resembled Teal's style, no critique, no nothing; I'm not sensitive but this is the level of idiocy you often find in here.

>>1824558
Every community has dedicated people, helpful people, lone walkers, douchebags, posers, shit wizards and n00bs, /ic/ is no different, there are good and bad aspects about the people in here, it's just that stupid people tend to be the loudest.

>>1826874
You're be lucky no one said that on RL, if that happened to me I wold punch that guy until he's knocked out regardless of rights.

>>1826874
>Lurking this place redpilled me about art and made feel bad with myself enough to get gud, and that's a nice starting drive, participating on the site however, is like jumping to a psych ward with no medication or wardens, you might be minding your own business and some retard might blast you with his shit for no reason at all.

This actually sums up how I feel about /ic/. Initially discovering the sticky and the mentality etc is amazing but after a while you realize that you're not actually gaining as much from this board as you did when you first came.

>>1824620
except that's still homophobia

>>1827038
no it's not.

no one is trying to insult homosexuals with the word faggot. it has a completely different meaning that's equal to the word "idiot" or "moron". this has nothing to do with one's sexuality.

i dont see you complaining about the word retard though. quite hypocritical of you because this word is actually making fun of mentally disabled people. where is your politcal correctness now?

tl;dr you are a hypocrite

idk, most art communities i've seen are nepotistic hugboxes. d/ic/ks might be idiots but at least they don't suck up to anyone

>>1824558
most humans are just catty bitches honestly. we're just lucky that the liberal fascist mouthbreathers that hate vidya are all attracted to fine art
did you see that mini shitstorm m@ caused because he painted a butt?

>>1823742
i love you too, wakka

The reason why most critique here is shit is because most people here dont know what the fuck they're talking about.

I've seen the opposite, good artists love to suck each others' dicks.

>>1823719
>tripfags are an easy target and easily justifable because the general concensus seems to be that tripfags are shitposting faggots and attention whores. imo that's a prejudice that's pretty far away from the actual truth.

Speaking as a tripfag, this is far from truth. tripfags shitpost most of the time. However you are right in one thing: There are a lot of good tripfags that get shot down just because of the trip.

When a tripfag is involved people tend to forget that the main tenet of 4chan is to judge a post by it's content and not it's identity. Only insult tripfags when they actually shitpost.

>>1823751
Nah anon don't come with that bullshit.

4chan is like a wall on the Internet. On 4chan's side, there's all the people that can ignore insults and shitposting (Most of the times at least), on the other is all the people who are too sensible for their own good. In 4chan you are supposed to take all the shit it throws at you head on.

>>1824482
It's not homophobia, it's simple disregard for politeness. People will call you a fag just to see your reaction. Same with racism and mysoginy, unless you are on /v/ which is some bizarre bandwagon of bogeymen or /pol/ which is filled with retards.

>>1824558
We are not. What we ahve is a big tendency to have bitter people criticizing others art with no real critical basis.

>>1827158
>Only insult tripfags when they actually shitpost.

if only people were doing this. instead we have people shitpost just because they spotted a tripfag.