/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>1816077

i think i have a tumor growing in my earlobe. inside it. literally. is that even possible?

>>1816079
might be a cyst or a pimple, or a blood clot. or skin cancer.

>>1816079
>pity me

>>1816079
Sounds like a cyst, they go away after a while.

kinda struggling with values, any tip where it should I darken/lighten parts?

fleh

>>1816098
dude, fuck off. you're just mocking up with that photobashed crap.

>>1816098
dude, fuck off. you're just mocking us with that photobashed crap.

>>1816079
calcium deposit most likely.

>>1816121
decent anatomy but why are you shading with black? especially when you're using yellow?

>>1816131
not black darkest of the yellow in PS. Yknow when you go down n shit.

>>1816132
use a different color instead, orange would match your color scheme more
dark yellow looks ugly

>>1816128
I was asking how make this better, not what is your opinion on using in conceptart

sort of starting to come together, lot of fixes still pending

>>1816133
nice. Thank you for the advice, I'll def apply it.

>>1816121
for skin,i would suggest more muted base color (yellow seems ok, but just not this vibrant), and add some blues / reds to shadows when you are adding value. i think that will help bring the piece together with the whole goopy top head thing. looks good so far :)

Some progress. I'd appreciate some help with the legs, something's definitely wrong, and I want to know if face(?) area looks right. It's supposed to be a ball mounted lens with a :| face painted over the lens. Obviously the yellow lines don't look painted on yet, but can you get the general idea?

>>1816137
Slow down

>>1816089
Most of this stuff is pretty boring, but this pic interests me. What's the project, Anon?

>>1816135
concept art for what?

>>1816156
It is supposed to be some sort of diesel punkish port for flying fishing ships

>>1816098
maybe it's because i'm a beginner, but this looks great to me

>>1816157
doesn't look very diesel punk, add some railings and more utility stuff, or large fuel tanks to the side, also your colors are nice but wacky

>>1816155
Just a personal piece, practising composing lots of figures in a single scene, paying attention to gesture.

>>1816161
Thanks, Tanks are good idea (I have problems with roundy shapes when I'm designing) railing will be definitely added later, as for colros they definitely are wacky but it was clients request "all scifi is grey as fuck gimme colorz faggot", kinda enjoy it honestly.

>>1816089
Would be cool having some characters near "lens" to add depth and more "lively" photographers

>>1816153

say what

Groot

>>1816166
looking good, is it sketchup ?

colors are really nice but it will take a lot of work to make them read properly

>>1816210
Thx. Its 3Dsmax model with ink'npaint shader. Couldn't get into sketchup even tho I tried many times.

>>1816216
Ah, same here but I do maya. Keep posting tho!

>>1816146
Just from a first glance i'd say the legs are too similarly posed, Makes him look sorta like he's a cardboard cut-out from the waist down. That's just me though, I could be entirely wrong.

I've haven't drawn very much in the past 4 years. I'm wanting to brush back up, and start doing some digital art again. I "finished" this about 2 months ago, but it just doesn't feel finished to me. Opinions? Pointers on technique?

Lord Protector and body guard.

still life

>>1816195

You are popping out work like your life depended on it.

>>1816300
Damn Bagbosse, you know why I like you. You like to tell stories. Something as subtle as "Lord Protector and body guard" made me stop and daydream up the world he lives in. This is the kind of guy who kills bears for sport, albeit only in winter when they're hibernating. His country may always be on the brink of starvation, but Lord Protector doesn't leave the chateau unless he looks fly as fuck. Keep up the good work Bagbosse.

>>1816292
I agree, and they look like they're not turned or positioned correctly based on how the rest of the body looks.

>>1816292
>>1816331

Pose wise does this look any better? I'm lost from the waste down, it's something I'm working on

So?

>>1816339
I cannot believe you found a way to make that shit even worse.

was messing around with this out in the field with bic pens

>>1816077
my style seems a little more cartoony

>>1816338
The robot face thing you got going on is driving me crazy

Still trying to get my hand around digital

my study of an Ivan Aivazovsky's painting.

>>1816399
Water looks good, how did you go about rendering it?

Will doing fanarts make me famous?

Will doing fanarts make me famous?

>>1816421
Yes it will, I love it so far. Remember to vary up the cloud size as it goes further back into the horizon. Her mouth(?) needs to more protruded.
Do you post anywhere else?

Trying to draw a portrait with pastel, need more practice as the result aren't what I'm expecting.

>>1816423
Thanks for the crit.
http://kontrapunktus.deviantart.com/
http://www.artstation.com/artist/kontrapunktus

>>1816421
Your rendering is very uniform. Everything has the same value jumps even highly reflective materials like the metal shoulder pad (I think?)

Pose is also something I'd look into, try and pick up a broom and hole it like she is now. If you're standing stoicly in the rain I wouldn't hold my heavy spear in such a light handed manner!


Thumb looks great! But there are certain things that pop out when you look at it in higher resolution; Forgetting the awkward hold on the spear, why is her skirt not interacting with her arm? It should press against but they seem quite distanced from one another.


It seems like your making everything up from your head which is a good exercise but how are you going to pull it to become 'real' real? Here's a suggestions based on personal experience (I too have painted girls wearing skirts in the wind~~~) Ok, get a hair drier or any kind of fan and get a skirt (I used a variety of towels) now get your webcam or any camera that can be set to a timer and try to look at the gesture that the cloth takes over your legs when your in wind. Alternatively if you don't have a hair drier get a girl to pose for you (they love to pose for artists, trust me) She can even bring her hair dryer with her. Easy peasy!

Facial structure is weird, her eye is dead on but her face is tilted to the right ~~~ Currently it looks like you enjoyed painting the statue more because it sure has a lot more intricate detail than any other part of the painting.

Hope that helps and wasn't gibberish, go get that there fame <3

>>1816440
Thanks for the pointers, still got a long way to go on this one.

another still life

>>1816440
what skirt? it looks like long coat to me.
"her"?
i don't get the eye part either. rabbits have eyes on the sides, not like humans.

So I'm new to posting in here. This my latest doodle. Someone said it looked like a squid so I gave it tentacles.

>>1816300
please make story books for my future kids

Critique are welcome

>>1816320
Go darker on the darker parts

>>1816490
thank you!

Tweaked the hand and atom guitar pick thing. Still need help with the monkey's head though.

>>1816492

stupid atheist, creativity should be reserved for theists

>>1816450

pretty good! take more time though

>>1816376
As in you don't understand what's going on with the face? I'll try to clear that up. Also, assuming the picture you put up is your rendition of my idea, did you choose to make the whole thing a robot, or does it look that way to you? It's meant to be something like a combat suit.

>>1816492
looks good, but the right ear is annoying the fk out of me. don't have the tip of the ear just touching the shadow (i.e. no tangents plz) either make it under the shadow or way past the shadow, not at the tip

>>1816470
sxy bb

Any crits before I start coloring?

>>1816399
extra practice: paint it from a different angle

>>1816576
this is twighlit level shit, I hope you're doing this as a commision.

>>1816492
>>1816555
You're right on the ear so I tweaked that. I also tried making the black into hair instead of shadowing so he doesn't look like a bald old man now.

>>1816580
sorry that it ain't some knight facing some large dragon in the background.

>>1816580
n-no, it's not a commission...

>>1816584
still pretty gay m8
i hope your a 16 y old girl who spends most their time on tumblr otherwise this is unacceptable

>>1816584
isn't me.

>>1816586
well, he's an old oc, but i don't have any plans on changing his design since he's kinda personal. i made him for the pure sake of self enjoyment...and as an excuse to draw guro porn, but that's besides the point. if it was any other oc i'd consider changing their design, but if there's no complaints besides the design i'll just color

>>1816137
nothing is happening, no value no aesthetics and no logic

>>1816582
too bad that it just looks dumb overall, regardless of the changes you committed

>>1816576
no form everything looks flat

>>1816601
i-is that so? any suggestions on how to improve on that?

>>1816604
learn the coordinate system

Any advice for >>1816441?

>>1816637
keep going anon

>>1816637
you're just copying. what advice are you looking for? just observe better and draw better. his hand looks broken.
oh wait, you're a girl. in that case, it looks amazing. good job!

>>1816421
I don't know what this is fanart of, but yes. Fanart always makes you famous.

>>1816641
calm down dude. everything will be okay.

>>1816637
If your drawing only goes to the middle of the face like it appears, then I would say that the eye looks like it's too far off to the side of the head/ too far from the mid-line

>>1816600
What would you change about it then?

>>1816653
My reference has it a. Bit less than half
I did not trace. I just can't draw pictures of my own from stratch.

>>1816641
Yeah I know the hand kinda sucks but thank you other wise :)

>>1816655
nothing its boring if i were you i would start on something new. something that would seem to carry meaning

>>1816657
seems like you forgot to draw in the middle finger

>>1816657
And that's fine when your trying to learn, it's just that yours is even a little further to the left than it is in your reference. Things like this will happen, and you may not notice it when it does, that's why artists like to flip their picture when working on a computer.

>>1816663
No, it's just the middle finger is more covered by hair than in the reference

>>1816663
No my hand has 5 fingers lol. The tio of the middle finger is hidden behind the hair

I'm still learning -- but I'm happy with how this turned out.
Critiques please?

>>1816664
Yeah I noticed that to. but I did the best I could! I think it turned out pretty decent

>>1816667
Oh gawd the eyes are hideous. something from a horror movie

>>1816663
>>1816665
>>1816666
then you have a really bad way of showing it

>>1816667
anon i want you to take a closer look. actually, step back and analyze the picture from top to bottom.

>>1816642
Finaru Fantashi

>>1816672
its like that on the reference......

>>1816453
Most Americans are utterly ignorant when it comes to clothes that even slightly resemble historical men attire prior to the twentieth century and think they are female dresses.
Just ignore him, most of his critique is also outright wrong.

>>1816077

>>1816677
thats a lame excuse anon, regardless of how you managed this, my first thought on this was that half of the middle finger is missing. im not trying to bash on your work here, but you need to consider what first impressions viewers have on your work.

and anon, bad references do exist. having the capability to edit them to meet a greater demand is what creates a more aesthetic piece

>>1816677
If you're only going to restrict yourself to what's on the reference, why did you even bother posting here?

>>1816662
This isn't for me, it's actually a 4x5 ad. I just took the info out at the top. Client likes monkeys and they sell guitar stuff so I'm trying to make this work

ok I'm sorry I just wanted to know how it's looked in someone else's eyes. From now on I won't hesitate to make changes to the reference. Thanks for the advice :)

>>1816685
Mirror your shit before you start getting into more detail, you may have to start this one over

>>1816692
>This isn't for me,
well hate to tell you this, but you arnt going to go anywhere with that attittude

>>1816674
What do you mean, exactly?

>>1816701
its horrible.

>>1816694
i know it looks like a crap when you mirror it, but at least tell if values are ok or something like that.

>>1816709
Not that guy, but you need a lot more contrast, and it's also really blurry. Push values & use more hard edges.

>>1816706
Great advice.

>>1816715
since you are dense why would anyone want to give you advice

>>1816716
Uh? I don't believe I've given you any reason to come to that conclusion.

>>1816667
with regard to soft and hard edges. generally, especially in pictures with outlines still on them, soft edges should be between quite harmonious shapes. that is to say shapes that don't contrast much.

for example in the background you have very light almost greenish blue parts with a very soft edge leading into a very dark reddish blue. that's too much contrast.

i feel like i'm not expressing myself well. but that's my crit.

i like it overall though, very funky. bit of asymmetry with the eyes though, remember to flip the canvas every now and then.

>>1816576
Id make his nose and mouth normal human ones.

>>1816709
Work out the cheek a bit more and same thing with the contrast.
(PS Sorry if that last post came off a little dickish)

>>1816724
420 blaze it LOL

>>1816695

>this isn't for me

"Isn't for him" as in "the piece is for a client," you fool.

>>1816752

Yup. No shame here.

Doing it just for fun, I like it so far though.

doing a drawing for a friend's D&D character. thoughts so far?

>>1816441
Is this better?

>>1816755
ayy lmao

I'm building a portfolio at the moment..., if you could critique me that would be great..

>>1816757
the large distance between her nose and mouth makes her look less appealing imo

>>1816780
lrn to draw proper 3d objects first

>>1816787
ah thank you. I'll try to fix that. She's not going to be completely human, so im pushing things where i can. like the nose. I also intend to thin her up a bit. The description i got was somewhat gangly. haha

>>1816771
pro, not done tho so finish that shit bro. looks like a buddha.

I wanted to have hands clutching her body from behind as the finished bit or more writing behind her, but I don't know about that right now. Ideas for a background will receive an appreciate.

>captcha
anyone want an
>old neckdig?

>>1816794
thank you! I appreciate your comment.

Inked a waterbug. Any advice to make it less questionable?

>>1816729
I think I get what you're saying -- thank you for the advice.
I did flip the canvas while I was working on it and I realized the wonkiness, but it was too late to fix it. I would have had to start from scratch. :/

>>1816799
just a weird point on access, i wouldn't put an animal being treated cruelly in something if you want people to like it. for too many people that's a straight 'nope' and onto the next guy,

>>1816761
I decide to work on it as a redline to see how it could be fixed the easiest, and after finishing the other half, I found that the easiest fix is to move the midline of the face over. I also found that the lines on the respirator didn't line up, but that was true on the reference as well.

Mine's not really better anyway, I did it quickly

>>1816806

Use different lineweights when you're using pen. You don't have to outline the entire subject as well, especially not if you're stippling the majority. Looks pretty good man.

>>1816808
if you're using photoshop, the warp tool or the liquify tool can fix up annoying problems like that.

here, i just unwonked the eyes a tiny bit (didn't do much i think they're just funny looking eyes) and changed the purply color in the background a tiny bit. you can see how now it's not so in your face and your eye is more focused on the figure, yes?

>>1816823
Thanks man, I'll keep that in mind for my future insect drawings. Lovely moth there, by the way, is it based on any particular species? I'm liking how you've rendered it all with the stippling.

>>1816799
nice dinosour mask

>>1816833

Thanks, I can't remember honestly, I made this a few years ago. Stippling is a bitch but it can give such good texture.

Got kind of lazy on the legs, but I tried to clear up the "face".

>>1816771

>>1816799
tight.

>>1816868

Not much progress, not sure if that's even worth posting. Looks good though, be careful with that ear when you get to it.

>>1816823

pens!

>>1816799
i fucking love the hanged lion.

>>1816880
i've been doing some stippling too. is it just be or is it really easy?

>>1816884
be = me*

>>1816878
is the 3d sloppy looking?

>>1816878
I posted this because I am absolutely stuck. I actually have no idea what to do to this Buddha's shading.. I tried looking at this picture from distance, even took couple min break from it but I don't know why but I hate it.

>>1816884
>stippling for hours
>stippling for life

it's easy if you draw shapes and concentrate for a long time that's it.

>>1816880

Looks fucking neato.

>>1816884

Yeah I think it's mostly because you're forced to take your time getting the value right and you can't just fly through it. Plus it's not like you have to watch lineweight, line quality, etc.

>>1816891
fun as hell though if you have some stimulants.

>>1816755
ayy lmao.

deuryp exchange captcha

>>1816888

I think it looks pretty good, I'd say just work on something else for a bit and come back. You could always do a couple thumbnails or something to try and figure out what you're gonna do. If all else fails, just fucking go for it. It's pencil, you can (hopefully) always just erase what looks like trash.

Don't quit now though, looks dope.

>>1816755
ayy lmao.

>captcha
>deuryp exchange

>>1816897
>>1816903

This rendering thing is hella hard. Also, does anyone have some SAI equivalents of the Photoshop Basic Brushes they'd like to share?

>>1816908
wtf man fight me lri bitchfaggot deuryp.

>>1816863
Aw man, I loved the face you had before. Looked like it could have conveyed emotion of sorts, now it looks more like a camera with some yellow sharpie on it. I know that was sort of your goal to begin with but the earlier version of it just had so much more potential. Legs are looking much better though, just needs a little spic and span.

>>1816924

4 u bb

Hey, I've been learning to draw and paint in ps for about a week now. How can I make this better apart from the retarded hands?

Trying to make a consistent set of guidelines for this character. Also trying to prove that the face can be expressive. The features get a little cramped, but it can be done. Still trying to figure out how to make her expressive when her head's tilted down, though.

>>1816937
That head is so huge it probably has its own gravity pull.

>>1816938
v. cute, i don't like her nose from the front. it looks a little bit like voldemort if he only had one nostril.

>>1816939
Should I just scale the rest of the body then?

>>1816942
You can try that, but I suggest you redo the whole thing. Next time, try to further analyze the drawing in the earlier stages so you can spot this kind of thing when it's not a pain to fix.

Just spent the last two hours doing this

>>1816947
god damn

>>1816947

I should mention the background was taken from google

>>1816933
I've got the old version saved, so I should be able to change it back. Which one do you mean though, this is the third try

>>1816832
Yeah, I see what you did. It definitely looks more comprehensible now.
I don't have Photoshop, unfortunately, but I think I can apply the idea to my future drawings.
Thanks a lot, bro -- this helps a ton.

Crit?

I need to find some good wing refs.

>>1816947
What the fuck is happening in this picture.

>>1816576
There's something... wrong. The eyes aren't level with the head. Fuck, I think the entire face isn't level with the head. The ears are out of perspective too.

Try red-lining it.

Hey, I'm really struggling with the background on this. could someone give me some clue on how I could make it better. Also, I just threw in the fan girl as an afterthought, do you think it makes the piece better or worse? Does she detract from the queen's face, which I want to be the focal point?

Any other criticism is appreciated too.

>>1816953

You know, this one. It just seems to have more of a personality.

>>1816958
Next time make the hands a bit bigger. Try comparing the size of your hand relative to your forearm for a good sense of scale

>>1816988
Maybe if she had a servant/guard kneeling or something, I think the servant sort of detracts from her vibe. I usually see royalty being fanned while they're sitting or stationary/relaxing, not when they're walking around.

>>1816996

Yeah, I realized they were too small right after I finished em.

>>1816077
My latest.

>>1817008
I'm mirin' big time. Keep it up, bro

>>1816863
>taking advice from that hack
You dun goofed

>>1816900
Thank you again for the comment. I'm using pencil so yes, I can erase the mistakes away. I'l just keep going until I figure something out. And post it again.

>>1817014
>hack
at least he's not tracing or photobashing.

>>1816077

experimenting with brushes and thought the outcome looked somewhat interesting

This is the last one I did

Charcoal and acrylic paint

Don't entirely like the way the blood turned out. Is there another type of paint that works well with charcoal?

>>1817031
why is there red wine on his hand? was he crushing grapes with hands and then photographer suddenly came up to him and he struck a pose, without realizing that his hands were still dirty?

Thoughts on this? I still don't know what to put on the highlight part of the picture, probably a statue of some creature. Maybe I should make the colors more cool instead of warm.

sp

>>1816421
you could use the metal stuff around her head to draw more attention to it. that cool statue is very cool but i think it pulls the eye towards it a bit to much.

>>1816404
living next to the ocean all your life helps. Other than that, just remember to use blue for the darker parts and yellow for the lighter areas of a wave or the ocean. blend them together and top it off with white wash.

some of you might remember the ravelord i started.
I got some time to add to it. though, i turned off the color layers and the glowsticks and rave apparel haha.

opinions? i'd like to add a background or something

>>1816599

agreed. gotta start somewhere though. not gonna give up on it.

nxt

>>1816137
i dont understand y people dont like this
i like it a lot

Send help

>>1817103

well it's... not horrible i guess. i can see what problem people are having it though...

>>1816799
kek's with the cat

>>1817108
i see mr beans face lol

quick paint while talking to friends

>>1817043
>>1817100
I dig it. You post anywhere?

>>1817126
Yea
Kiddraws.tumblr.com

>>1817035
"blood on his hands"

>>1816830
Yum

>>1817008
Use a blending stump and also add in more solid black valvues. Two examples of where darker values are needed is in the face as well as his inner thigh.

>>1817031
Give the blood more of a red hue, so it doesn't look like he spilled some jam.

>>1817014
It's not that I was taking advice from him really, it was more that he gave me feedback on the image that allowed me to see some of the flaws that I may have otherwise over-looked. Regardless of whether or not he's a hack.

is the anatomy totally fucked? I almost never draw sexy ladies (but I like to look at them a lot kekek) and there arent a lot of refs for a pose like this; mainly inspired by that Klimt one..

>>1816724
this is incredible please post more

Quick and sloppy paintover of a sketch

>>1816077

foreground dude will probably not make it

>>1816880
siiiiick. Get a better picture or scan it

Mood speepaint.
Went with well of eternal youth in the jungle

>>1817181
urpdurt

whoops. I didn't see this thread before.

>>1817230
boring

>>1816360
god-fucking-damn, please resize that image

>>1817208
thick legs and no hip. Think of the womb, it gotta fit somewhere
armpit is symbol, and I would redo the face

>>1817069

Dude i fuckin love dis shit

Go add some sorta dance floor and disco ball with skeles doing handstands and cartwheels. Bonewheels are welcome.

>>1817208
Don't you mean sloppy paintover of a screenshot.

>>1817289
rekt

>>1817212
I really admire your persistence.

Can I make a request?

>>1817346
don't be jealous of him being afraid to start new piece from scratch.

>>1817212
maybe place a figure really in the foreground, like maybe were only able to see his hands holding up that orb or something, and have his value much darker than the others. It will the viewer a sense of looking into a scene, rather then just looking at a painting.

>>1817122
Nice!!

>>1816988
perspective is wayyyyy off. Did you start with a horizon line? If not ALWAYS do before you start a painting. the elephant in the back is not on the same plane as them so it makes them look like they are floating, and the scale of the figure in the back looks wonky too.
I would recommend looking at loomis' section on scaling figures in accordance with the horizon and VP.

>>1817356
NO!

>>1814585

couldn't pick one of them since I liked multiple so I might as well just pick a random one and call it a practice.

Losing my mind over this thing. I absolutely want to finish this, but the detail is so miniscule, and it's hard to make out what was painted before what so I can take two passes at it rather than say, eight. All of what you see is hard round, because I'm not sure how to really uh... blend any of this without losing the hue shifts and the shapes of the grass patches.

>>1817448
You need to study basics before you can tackle studies like these

>>1817448
What? Why not just use a regular round brush that has some degree of transparency controlled with pressure? It is very easy and fast to blend with. Or you can use texture brushes too, but it seems you are afraid of them or something if you are holding off this long.

>>1817454

By basics you mean fundamentals. Fundamentals cover a lot of different things, so I'm going to need some more clarification.

>>1817448
>>1817457

(I'm not the other anon who replied to you)
Well you managed to render most of the general tones. Just make the brush smaller and paint in the details. Who cares if you mess up?

I also wouldn't worry about what you don't know yet, there is always going to to be more to learn. Doing challenging projects like this once in a while are great to bump up your skills and pinpoint things you really need to improve on.

>>1817122
why would we care if it's quick or it took you years?

>>1817467

Yeah, this hasn't been all for nothing. Before I even started the painting I typed up like a whole page of my observations, mostly concerning how the light was affecting the objects, rather than only making sure I matched everything stroke for stroke, where the light source was. Also, I think I've gotten better at seeing what colors I was actually looking at, mostly the saturation.

This image shows that, save for two hues (and saving a few more I have yet to put down), all of the colors in this painting are in the lower left quadrant. And yet the painting still looks so colorful and vivid. It's the only real painting I've studied to this degree, so I should use the color dropper (not using it to paint from) on other paintings to see what range they cover, it could be very important in how I see color relationships.

and of course I forgot to post the image. Everything in red is the range.

>>1817271
i agree. i'll expand the canvas a bit to make room for a tiled dance floor.

basically this'll happen. haha

>>1817108
I dunno if you have reference for this or not, but I think my points still stand. I did a quick paintover on things I see wrong with it just using my experience/knowledge.

A few thoughts:
-Avoid pure white backgrounds since they throw off your values
-SIMPLIFY MORE
-Decide if something is in light or shadow since your are making things very muddy
-Get harder edges in there, it is too blurry
-Don't be afraid to go to a near black value in some small key areas, especially occlusion shadows or the shadow side of something with a black local value (like hair)

>>1816799
sup?

>>1817483
>-SIMPLIFY MORE
but then it doesn't look photographic

>>1817491
I'm not sure why anyone wants their artwork to look photographic, to me that defeats the entire purpose of art. Realism is very different from photorealism. You can still achieve realism while simplifying a great deal, take a look at Sargent or Zorn.

>>1816799
the peice kinda looses any feeling with so many things going on, it would be better if you stuck with 1 creepything but pretty good anon keep it up ;0

>>1816299
I think it's finished, but I find the textures to be weird. I feel like the bird is cartoonish while the hair is more realistic. You can change it if you want I'm just giving you some input.

>>1816339
I'm going to have nightmares.

>>1817496
>take a look at Sargent or Zorn.
eh, their artwork doesn't look convincing. it looks like just paint on canvas.

>>1817491
How did you come to the conclusion that simplify = doesn't look photographic?

The original has a lot of messy brush strokes that doesn't work. Paintover anon meant to simplify more so the strokes so it would better describe the form.

>>1817508
yeah, you are describing the form "better" when you simplify, but the reality is not that simple. if you want to make a good study, you are supposed to capture every detail, because every detail has a purpose, every detail is important. don't be blind.

>>1817512
>every detail has a purpose, every detail is important
Entirely not true at all. A good artist knows what to leave out.

>>1817507
pretty convincing water in this zorn imo

>>1817507
also the point of realism isn't to achieve photorealist paintings, it's about portraying life

photorealism/hyperrealism is what you want if you like stuff that looks like photos

>>1817512
>if you want to make a good study, you are supposed to capture every detail, because every detail has a purpose
Have you not been reading your Loomis, anon.

I could only see the argument for "every detail has a purpose" in a master painting, certainly not in a photograph. A painter has much more control over what is included and what is omitted than a photographer.

You shouldn't slavishly copy everything in a reference, unless your goal is photorealism - a cheap parlor trick IMO.

>>1817512
>if you want to make a good study, you are supposed to capture every detail, because every detail has a purpose
Have you not been reading your Loomis, anon.

I could only see the argument for "every detail has a purpose" in a master painting, certainly not in a photograph. A painter has much more control over what is included and what is omitted than a photographer.

You shouldn't slavishly copy everything in a reference, unless your goal is photorealism - a cheap parlor trick IMO.

>>1817512
i would argue that design and simplification are a foundational aspect of drawing and painting, knowing what to leave out is essential

a quote from one of my favorite artists Hollis Dunlap

" Also I tone down the reflected lights and emphasize the main contrast. Thats really whats important, to not let reflected lights become so important. The dynamic range of your vision is a lot greater than what you can paint, so you have to emphasize the main contrasts. That is, if getting a sense of light is important to you"

remember he is speaking in the context of making a realist painting, not a photorealist/hyperrealist panting

>>1817533
agreed

>>1817512
i would argue that design and simplification are a foundational aspect of drawing and painting, knowing what to leave out is essential

a quote from one of my favorite artists Hollis Dunlap

" Also I tone down the reflected lights and emphasize the main contrast. Thats really whats important, to not let reflected lights become so important. The dynamic range of your vision is a lot greater than what you can paint, so you have to emphasize the main contrasts. That is, if getting a sense of light is important to you"

remember he is speaking in the context of making a realist painting, not a photorealist/hyperrealist panting

pic related, Hollis Dunlap

>>1817534
agreed

>>1817538
>The dynamic range of your vision is a lot greater than what you can paint
can't say i agree with that.

>>1817534
aw, come on. that's just an excuse for a lazy painter.

>>1817555
more lazier is copying instead of training your sense of designing.

>>1817555
Not only is it more realistic, but also a great tool to direct the viewers eye to the wishes of the creator.

>>1817558

pls halp

I've been on this drawing for like an hour, I don't know what's wrong.

Also if anyone could tell me what is that I need to improve the most I would appreciate it

>>1817208
hi ross

>>1817567
Go slower. You have the main idea set out, but look at the anatomical aspects. Look at the girl's eyelids, they seem not to be included within your drawing. It seems like you are blocking out shadow more than doing an outline. Work on your lines, they are a bit scribbly/chicken scratch. Use your pencil and find out the exact angle instead of eyeballing it. The nostril of the nose is at the wrong angle, and the left eyebrow is more curved than it needs to be. Slow down on the hair, erase the scribbles in the hair area, leave that for last. The drawing looks like a 40 year old woman rather than a young girl as in the photograph. Use points instead of thick lines to emphasize the roundness of the eyeball beneath the waterline. Look at the planes of the face, plus because this is a photograph, it will look a bit flat, unless you use knowledge of how the skull lies beneath the muscles and skin. You have the shadow of the left side of the face going well, but clean up your lines. Sorry if this was not much help.

>>1817553
What? It's science anon. Paint can only be so bright since we see it with reflected light. But our eye can pick up actual light sources that are many times brighter than paint can ever be (or even a screen with an image on it). The human eye has a much greater dynamic range than even the best cameras, that's why photos are often overexposed but our eye doesn't do that, and it's why HDR tends to look more realistic to us. Since paint can only be so bright, we as artists need to compress a lot of value ranges when we paint.

>>1817567
aw, baby's first hour long session. mine usually last more than five.
as far as advice: draw bigger and change medium. if you're going to use pencils for shading, get hard and soft ones, otherwise pencil (and pen) are only good for lines. i was going to say go digital, but watercolor, any paint, markers, charcoal, all could give better results than trying to hatch with a single HB pencil. you also draw small because pencil makes thin lines and trying to shade a large drawing with a pencil would be mentally irregular, but drawing small isn't doing you any good either.

>>1817577
>The drawing looks like a 40 year old woman rather than a young girl as in the photograph
anon, you have no eyes. the woman in the photo IS about 40-50 years old.

>>1817577
oh yes, I see she's got no eyelids. and I actually didn't know what I was doing, I wanted to do an outline but I'm really bad at it. I'm really bad at emphasizing details that's why she looks 30 years older than she is.
I appreciate your advice a lot, I'll start this again and pray it goes better.


>>1817580
You are right, I'm actually using a mechanical pencil, that's why lines are so thin, thank you m8 I'll try to use other medium and I was drawing small not because of the pencil but because I was recycling a page. I think I'll start from scratch after changing diapers

>>1817555
You don't know shit about painting. Please continue copying photos down to every miniscule detail and stop posting here. You will never make it.

>>1817534
>photorealism
>cheap parlor trick

can you actually fuck off?

>>1817602
I agree though. Just take a photo if you're going for photorealism. It's a waste of art. Use your imagination.

>>1817610
not him, but i specifically stated going for photorealism in a STUDY.

>>1816170
Yeah I was thinking that too, going to shove in a lot more characters, as many as I can get away with. I just plotted out the main ones in the scene.

Hide most of the sketch to put in some of the background.

>>1817581
lol'd

>>1817142
Thanks. Will do.

Question:

I've noticed lately that when I draw, my art tends to be lopsided.

For instance, I'll draw a man. Somewhat satisfied with how he looks. Flip the image horizontally and now I can see his left side is higher than the other.

Could it be my posture? I tend to look at things crooked and have a hard time drawing with my notepad completely straight. I even tried drawing a straight, vertical line the other day and had a hard time doing it.

It might be hard to tell, but I noticed it while working on this little doodle I did for someone.

>>1817635
This is something artists tebd to do, ive learned recently to draw stamding up with an easel. If you're happy with it, take a few steps back and look at the big picture, and it'll be easy to see what still needs to be fixed.

I can't tell the size of this from my phone, so i apologize if it's too big, i just want opinions on how I'm coloring and tips.

I'm using Copic markers, i recently got them and I'm new to this medium :P

>>1817637
4chan is for people over 18 bud

>>1817100

>>1817409
Well, I did have a horizon. It's roughly at knee height on the Queen. I thought all my lines led to it, but perhaps I didn't draw her to the same perspective. Hm, I'm not sure how to fix it.

>>1817637
you should make the color more smoother, it's really blotchy.. experiment with lines, buy a pen that can do thick and thin lines, and also buy yourself a book that has anatomy pictures in it and do a sketch every day.

>>1817616
So... I made your picture a little bit more brighter and with more contrast.. (sorry to play around with your pic.) I personally think that you should add more darker color into this pic (shading, line, etc) so that the picture doesn't look too dull.

>>1817638
I'm 20 :P

>>1817642
I appreciate what ypu said about te color, on the drawing it wa just something ai did in a day and was practicing with my colors, I can draw semi-realistic, just dont have any examples with my markers. I'm taking an art class now in college to be able to do actual realistic drawings. And i think I may have a pen like that somewhere.

what im working on right now.. i think i am about 80% done with this.

>>1817636
Cool, appreciate the help.

>>1817643
right about contrast but using PS adjustment tools is the wrong way to do it and he can do that when he's nearly done with the image.

i use way too many strokes. i want to be able to draw "simple" portraits, and not look gay as fuck

sketch thing

>>1817672
Study planes of the head and try painting a bit more opaquely then

>>1817069
same guy as the nito pic, decided to do some giantdad. WIP so far haha

all 3

>>1817646
still gay tho

after looking at ref I think I fucked up the chin and neck area the most
I probably should of been a lot more subtle with the values

I tried again, man I suck, I'll try to correct it later.

What is it that the biggest mistake in this drawing?
would be greatly appreciated

>>1817679
another wip.

>>1817683
That's not very cunstructive criticism.

>>1817714
i'll post later when i have more done, just asking for opinions so far

>>1817695
Like i suggeated to someone else a little earlier, when drawing, take a few steps back to look at it. For the most part you're pretty accurate on proportions, a few mistakes with the face, but that's better than a lot of people can do. The biggest things I could say is draw lighter, pay more attention to the folds of the shirt, and try and give the hair more direction. I like shading in the hair evenly, just a touch lighter than it should be, then using pencils with different size lead to do the details (i even have a mechanical pencil with .3 mm lead).

It has been a while since I last drew anything, the hands are a little so and so, but still somewhat happy with it. any major problems?

>>1817695
Oh, and you might love a blending stump.

>>1817714
it looks like it was done by a 14 year old furry emo girl, so for some one whos 20, thats pretty fuckin gay

>>1817730
This is the very start of something from a year ago, if you want more recent and finished I have to get on my computer, sice I've given away the more recent pieces, but this is close to my current drawing style, normally.

>>1817650
watch the values man, lighten it up a bit around the focal point. Come on, get your shit together!

>>1817725
don't cut things off at the knees, it always makes things look awkward. also her legs are too straight and become too narrow. practice hands more. the head looks too small which could have been fixed if you had brought her jawline down lower, which might have also made her look less manish around the face
what kind of paper are you using?

>>1817797
looks like digital over the original sketch on the paper

>>1817637
Coloring and tips. So, here you go, this is my full critique of the drawing:

It seems to me that you have no clue what you are doing. You are diving into the deep end of something that you have no practice of. You need to practice the actual rules before you go into this animu shit
>inb4 rules in art hurdur
You are coloring like it is a coloring book. The anatomy is completely off, and even if you are trying to do an anime/manga style, it is not working out for you. Look at values and the color spectrum-- the color scheme is totally wacked out. Research other anime/manga artists, do copies of them, whatever. If you want to do this style, you must learn the basics first, such as understanding light and shadow, and it affects color on an object or skin, and also how drapery falls on a figure.

TL;DR: It looks like something off of deviantart, go back there and you'll get much more positive reviews.

>>1817797

Aight! Thanks for the input, yeah I totally see it now.
I am not quite certain what type of paper it is, but I am using a Moleskine if that helps.

>>1817803
Right you are!

>>1817643
this one looks much uglier, the reds are way too dark and muddy

>>1817639
"Bleaux"

>>1817682
Were you confident with what you have, or did you plan on making changes?