/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I always thought drawing is like constructing, but every book tells me it's the dead wrong way about this. Feels kinda disappointing, man.

at which level do I stop being a beginner?

>>1812968
It's funny how you claim to have read multiple books yet don't seem to know about the two most fundamentally basic modes of drawing.

>>1812968
>>1812968
>>1812968
but you're not wrong at all
You need to make imaginary 3d shapes and figure out how to light them.

Beginner-drawing-People often think drawing is a wild and fast thing, big swoops and speedpainting. but that's not what drawing is like at all. It's closer to some kind of intellectual game where you have to carefully place your strokes.

Also watch more villpu.

Is he handsome

>>1812972
when you can acurately duplicate a picture, and can accurately improvise different postures/directions giving a refrence

can anyone critique this >>1812940

Somebody can recommend me some youtube channels to watch?. I already have seen proko

>>1812981
>when you can acurately duplicate a picture
I thought you're supposed to learn from life

>>1812983
There's nothing to critique, it's a fucking copy. Look at a line. Then look at the corresponding line in the original. Compare. Done. Don't be so conceited, please.

>>1812987
i think he's joking.

>>1812991
i was

>>1812988
Than why can't people copy faces accurately retard? it's hard for new artists to draw what they see instead of what they think they see thats why there are so many books and shit on this.

it's a fucking beginner thread dickhead

>>1812976
>>1812977
Well I'm reading what is considered books for absolute beginners (keys, right side) and both tell me it's wrong and I should only care about lines. It's not like I read either entirely yet, I am an absolute beginner after all.

Construction is way more fun for me but at my skill level there's no point anyway. Well, I'll try their methods, gotta do something at least.

>>1812988

Lol at saying that's conceited. This has become such a common theme on this shit board; that is, where anons constantly try and one up each other on how humble and hard working they are. It's contradictory. Little do they know the more humble they try to come off the more arrogant they become. Such is your case.

Here's the study from the last thread if anyone is interested in giving this a shot

Try to draw this, for fun and all. Don't get discouraged.

>>1812994
I didn't say a single word about the process of copying things. What I did was explain how to "critique" a copy, which is what he was asking us to do. Your lack of linguistic prowess makes me wonder wether that "Than" wasn't lelxD-ironic afterall.

>>1812998
It is. He either thinks his time is worth more than ours or posted exclusively to be complimented.

>>1812968
Constructing objects in space from simple forms is a very important part of drawing, but it's not the starting point.

>>1813010
than is used for making comparisons dickweed. Now i know you are just an overconfident idiot who thinks he knows more than he actually does.

and
>caring about grammer and vocabulary on 4chan

autist

I've been practicing drawing with beginner books, pencil and paper for a while now and I'm looking to switch it up and try some digital art stuff, or at least start learning how to do that.

Where should I begin? Scanning pencil art and drawing over it or drawing from scratch with a tablet? What program should I be using? What guides would you recommend as a next step from pencil-drawing?

>>1813018
Doesn't matter, doesn't matter, doesn't matter. You just take your new pen and make lines on your new tablet until you can make the lines like you want them to be.

>>1812996
dude, Don't worry about it.
drawing on the right side is about learning to see.

At a certain point in your studies
you can make drawing is difficult as you want it to be.

Look at this shit
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/20165/20165-h/20165-h.htm

>>1812996
there are no lines in real life.

>>1813015
>not wanting to come off like an uneducated mongoloid
>having to resort to petty name calling

>>1813038
>getting defensive about accurate name calling

lekekel

So I just started Keys (skipped 1-A for now because tablet so eh, I'll switch it with something similar when it's not 2 AM).

Shit man, drawing is hard. The road ahead is going to be bumpy...

I'll try this again several times, it's difficult because to be honest everything blends together and I can't very well distinguish the lines inside.

>>1812996
Drawing isn't a set of strict dichotomies, what you are being taught in those books isn't the be all end all of drawing, they're to give you tools and techniques to better communicate what you have either in front of you or in your head. Soon you will realize that worrying over specifics is silly.

>>1813038
>>1813043
Please stop, this is pathetic.

>>1813043
>>1813038
samefag

>>1813043
Could you please either stay in /v/ or get a trip so I can filter you?

>>1812996
Maybe I shouldn't have been so cryptic. There's constructional drawing and there's observational drawing. Some people consider the former a crutch. A decent artist should master both. That said, the end product of constructive drawing is always lines. If you can't draw lines, constructive drawing won't do shit for you, it only helps you figure out where to draw the lines. Drawing skeletons and block-people might be fun, but unless you manage to draw the corresponding contours, you're not using your time effectively.
There are plenty of books that have a constructive approach. especially if you consider gestures construction. Read Loomis if that's what you want. Please just always keep in mind what your goal is, and ask yourself how what you're doing is getting you there.

>>1813023
If those don't matter, could I at least get some recommendations for programs and guides to help introduce me to digital art? It'd help to understand the process and techniques used to turn a pencil drawing into a finished, colored piece.

>>1813080
But why would I give you recommendations for stuff that I think doesn't matter? Also I think you're skipping.

Recently started taking drawing more seriously and used Paint Tool Sai to make this. I have no idea how to make it more interesting/give it more dimension. For context, it's a Tokyo Ghoul-inspired drawing.

i know how it is, need more loomis/bridgeman/etc and yea im slowly reading up on his stuff, i do studies, trying to do a lil practice thats not directly based on one ref pic tho,.. time to get back to drawing

I dont know if its correct or not.

What is a good pose i should attempt to draw from this base.

Whats /ic/ opinion on copying the artwork of realistic artists like caravaggio, valazquez , and what not? Cause, famous artists of the 19th and early 20th century were taught to copy from life AND famous realism artists of renaissance. And thats why there are paintings such as (pic)

I ask this, cause Im having trouble finding references from real life, but I can find it easily from paintings. Its because all my references came for artbooks, and Im currently away from the pdfs I downloaded.

>>1813457
Those are called master studies. /ic probably encourages the fuck out of them

>>1813473
i feel enlightened.

>>1813457
incidentally that little girl died at 21. but there's heaps of pictures of her growing up over time. it's kinda sad and cool. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Theresa_of_Spain

>>1813486
neat.

>>1813486
I hope she died in a horrible pain.

>>1813501
i don't know how she died. but the habsburgs were all mutants from lots of generations of incest (even she married her uncle) so she was probably always in pretty poor health. her brother died as a child if i recall correctly.

>>1813503
But i like incest.

>>1813508
well then be prepared to have ugly sick children.

Eh. The elbows looks kinda weird and the left arm is bothering me, not to mention the hair and face. Any tips/crithique?

>>1813052
I use a tablet too so I just decided to do something somewhat similar using the same ideas in the lesson for 1-A.

>>1813538
Yeah, that's probably what I'll do today at home after work, thanks

>>1813513
Well, i have options to either kill them or toss them away. Or just skip the part with making the babies, you silly.

Thoughts?

>>1813637
face is totally derp..and kinda looks like vegetta. everything else, the hands the body, the bottle are pretty good. you gotta do some face anatomy, bring that shit up to par.

wanted to grind faces all weekend, but I ended up slacking off. While all the faces are bad, I can say that the last page of faces is better than the first page of faces... soooo personal improvement?

Also bought some markers at the art store. Time to learn values. I have really bad marker control. Plus, I think the cheap copy paper is starting to have an effect, I get a lot of marker bleed. Any tips on doing values with markers would be appreciated.

>>1813648
Oh ya, I'm a fucking faggot and I did the values in reverse, I think you are supposed to start with the lightest and work you way darker right?

Whatever, next time...

>>1813650
generally...it's very difficult to make a dark lighter and very easy to make a light darker.

>>1813643
That helps a lot, thanks!

When I'm doing things like repeatedly drawing my hands, should I make a bunch of little drawings or a slightly less bunch of large ones? I have a 9x12 sketchbook and I'm not sure if I should draw using the whole page or not.

bought some 2mm leads for my pencil
what is this metal thing on the end for? this causes the lead not to fit - am I supposed to force it or snap it off?

>>1813755
I have a feeling you bought leads for a drafting pencil when you have a mechanical one. They're very similiar.

>>1813375

I'm on it for you, I'll try to show you a good pose(s) to get on mr.pantheon there.

that pose is surpirsingly easy, but your anatomy is way way off and your pencil confidence is lackluster too. Remember the only way you'll learn, if you have a referene and can mirror that reference, you have too look and analyse critically whether or not your produced image is similar to the ref or not.

I'll try to make a good base for you though brb

>>1813755
it keeps the lead from fully ejecting from some lead holder types

>>1813767
What's the difference? Mine is a clutch pencil - it has jaws that grip the pencil and the lead goes in from the front.

It's odd because the pencil is Faber castell TK9400 and the leads are even marked with "TK" so I was expecting they were made for each other

As a beginner, should I be drawing from references of my goals or just draw from life? I've been drawing my hand a lot as well as various objects. They're not great or even good, but I'm not sure if I'm making progress towards my goals.

>>1813375
>>1813770

here you go tried fixing it for you hope it helped.

>>1813798
>>1813375
>>1813770

Heres the orginal work without red markings

>>1812999

heres my go at it.

>>1813814

oops

>>1813798
while i appreciate the wotk i have a few comments:

-what do you mean the perspective is totally off by his chest? i don't understand it looks closely to the image given.
-what do you mean by line confidence
-you commented on the leg muscles but pantheon is supposed to be a super buff dude, anatomically yea they are off slightly but it's for the purpose of the drawing.
-what do you mean it looks like his arm is being ripped off? the whole point of that pose is his right arm is turning outward to expose his chest, to appear as if he is turning.
-you claim head is out of proportion but yours is nearly exactly the same proportions, maybe slightly wider.

if you could clarify these that would be good

>>1813844
>>1813798
also here is the refrene

>>1813797
Drawing from life/references only works if you actually analyze how things work instead of just copying.

Fundamentals isn't a buzzword, you know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piKV5nXL-C4

>>1813844

I hope you will appreciate how badly you've imitated the reference as well as how the reference itself is anatomically retarded to begin with.

>>1813929

the black lineart is me outlining your drawing. So its just measuring up the proportions if anything, the actual image itself you refrenced from is a bad image because the anatomy is bad in itself there.

>>1813929
>hope you appreciate how badly you imitated the refrence
you sure have a way for putting new artists down buddy.

its a beginner thread dipshit.

>>1813929
well i changed his upper body anatomy since the reference seems a bit odd on the chest.

and as far as everything else it seems the placement is off which messes up the rest of it (like his legs) but i think i did okay on the proportions (aside from the right leg). REMINDER: BEGINNER.

Alright so, I spent like 35 minutes doing this. What do you guys recommend I focus on honing,,,other than everything. Like what should I focus on first?

>>1813954
proportions/shape/positioning

>>1813943

right Dipshit, even after I helped him, have a look at my previous posts with the explanation and everything. He is literally defending his work saying yeah yeah its got this and that but its basically exactly the same.

Not trying to bring him down, if showing someone the reality is bringing them 'down' then they need to fucking leave art or anything to do with it as soon as possible.

>>1813953

Dude this is why you'll never learn, I used to be just like you with the exact same skill in drawing literally, I was just like yeah im a beginner yeah ive been drawing for 5 years on and off but im a begginner, when I realised I wasted my time for 5 years I started seriously studying anatomy and it helped me.
Constantly saying you're a begginer wont get you anywhere, admit you fucking suck massive dickbags, like i did and probably still do and move on and get better.

>>1813844

>>1813959
there is a difference between teaching properly and being a condescending dickweed about it and offering no helpful advice.

this is how you sound:
This is literally fucking terrible, and aweful you did nothing right and need to learn how to fucking draw and learn anatomy.

this is how it should be done. you explain whats wrong than say WHY THEY DID IT WRONG. This guy clearly is still suffering from symbol drawing and has a poor knowledge of inner anatomy/structure. so you say to them where they went wrong and how to change it. that's teaching people. saying "this is fucking terrible look at this redline of it, clearly its terrible you are awful." is not helping. he could have redlined it himself but he would not understand WHY he got it wrong. which is the core problem. Try actually helping instead of insulting/pointing out where someone went wrong.

>>1813965
Line confidence is hard when people don't know if their line is in the right place in the first place.

>>1813960
i am equating being new to saying i suck at drawing. maybe you are used to dealing with different people but when i say "i'm a beginner" i mean "i really suck and want to improve" that's why i'm even bothering to post things here and ask for advice/look up resources on drawing.

I've been staring at people's faces for two hours and I still can't figure them out. What am I doing wrong?

>>1813992
Are you drawing the base underlying shapes first? because it doesn't not look like you are.

try loomis's technique with a bunch of different angles, than tackle features 1 step at a time.

http://www.stanprokopenko.com/blog/2009/05/draw-head-any-angle/

>>1813987
I'm not getting fucking paid for this shit, nor am I going to be nice fuck no, especially when someone cant see their mistake even after showing it to them.

>>1813995
Dude, the whole point of the fucking thread is to HELP people. you can help people without being "nice" about it but you must still provide help. Your input here is irrelevant.
>>1813965 showed him perfectly his mistakes and i'm sure he learned something from that. You don't KNOW if he does or does not see his mistake. because the flaws are obvious with the redline. It would take SERIOUS delusion for someone to look at that and think they did nothing wrong.

>>1813997

>>1813798
>>1813799
>>1813770


Are you seriously this pathetic? I've been helping him since the get go.

>>1813965
>>1813987

What is line confidence anyways? To me it looks like drawing skill. Based on the picture I draw un-confidently but I'm not sure how I can just force confidence into my lines.

>>1814002

Its being able to draw something you're good at drawing. For instance, If I wanted to draw a human arm I will be able to with relatively ok line confidence, this is due to the fact that:

A) I have drawn it a lot of times
B) Studied anatomy of the arm
C) I know what i need to draw

Alot of confidence comes from knowing, if you dont have an understanding of an object for instance a circle, if you dont know how to draw it when you copy it, it will be difficult. Thats like a really bad example but you get my drift?

>>1813999
>oh here just draw the entire underlying figure

here's a picture in paint of what a beginner would do with this advice.

see:

than they would just build around it as you said but there are clearly tons of things wrong here and they don't know that. so they continue the rest of the picture than you redline it call it shit and tell him the exact same thing over again "create a basic skeleton for the post than build off it"

new drawers with clear proportion/placement problems cant visualize the finished figure from just the base lines. so they don't know if they are wrong or right with their skeleton.

just telling them "here make a skeleton, very simple" than filling it out DOESN'T WORK if they can't make the skeleton properly.

>>1814004
>>1814002

so in essence you have to study what you're going to draw, gain an understanding of its form and construction then draw it. This is why people use simple shapes like squres, cylinders, circles etc to construct objects or human bodies.

As the human torso for example consists of one big block in the middle and 2 smaller square blocks on the side, then you can with your knowledge of anatomy carve out the general shape of the torso.

>>1814005
Heres the picture

>>1814005

Now you're just being plain bait mate. HAHA you've gotta be trolling me right.

>>1814007

right and a beginner would know that that's totally inaccurate to the skeleton i created. If they don't then they have some serious perception issues.

>>1814010
pic related is how you sound.

>>1813798
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>>1814010

OK, I can stream my computer and literally guide any of you if you want with any question you've got regarding anatomy or anything else If my skill permits me to.

www.twitchtv/ulteriorvision
add a dot before tv

I hope if i stream my art and you have questions you can tell me on my stream via twitch chat

>>1814013

I'm sorry you feel that way, again if you're this new refer to the IC sticky. This thread at least means that people should have an understanding of what a circle or square is. If you dont know what that is then

>>>1579290

ic sticky

>>1814015
see
>>1813992

clearly you have the wrong ceonception about the thread and skill level you expect

Holy sucking shit what the fuck are you guys even doing? That helper guy is actually trying to help and you're telling him he's not needed? Get the stick out your ass and think a little.

>>1814025

In all seriousness I agree also. This guy is trying to tell that guy he should brush up his anatomy and people are shitting on him because its a "beginner". Beginners need harsh treatment to improve.

>>1814016

he has some proportion issues but can draw the top dome of the head pretty accurately, who's to say he cant draw a circle somewhat.

>>1814031
they need help, not insults and irrelevant banter, Which you don't seem to understand but i doubt you know anything about psychology, learning, teaching ect.

diagnosing a problem (ex: proportion, placement issues.) =/= analyzing the cause of the problem.

i can go into any artwork thread, and without providing any actual help say what someone did wrong. and put it all on them to figure out what they did wrong.

>>1814032
>i'm not being nice
heh

>>1814040
You're just trolling at this point, there's no way you believe that. He actually redlined, told him what to work on and even showed him refs and you're saying he's just insulting without actually helping? How fucking stupid are you? Get out of this thread.

>>1814040

Art isn't a fucking mental illness to be diagnosed.
Art is an experience in its purest form.

When someone gives advice saying, you will get better if you are more experienced, do more art.

that statement in its purest form represents entirely the definition of ART. So when someone tells a begginner this it is absolutely one of the most fundamental advices in regards to art in the first place.

You as a beginner will receive it as someone saying do more hurr durr but some beginners acknowledge this statement and it helps them.

Everyone learns differently, people can learn the hard way, totally possible or the easy spoon fed cheerful ''go on kiddo make your first step' way also totaly possible.

To say my method is incorrect is subjective in itself. So you can keep that opinion but for sure its helping someone.

>>1814051
say i'm teaching you to play piano.

and you keep messing up a melody/mis-keying and can't play a certain part.

i show you how to play it and tell you that you need to learn to play 2 handed better and how melodies in both hands.

how much did i help you? i've told you what you already knew. i told you improve playing with 2 hands but i didn't tell you HOW to go about doing that, i could have easily said, work on just 1 finger of the left hadn while playing the right, than slowly add another ect until you can play the complex melody, but instead,you spend another amount of time trying the same piece barely making progress and learning it wrong because you had to figure out for yourself what went wrong. how did i just help you?

>>1814066
to add: it's obvious that the melody doesn't sound right, and it is obvious why, but you telling me "yes, the melody is wrong." is just stating the obvious not helping you realize why you keep playing it wrong.

>>1814066

>learn to play 2 handed better
>melodies in both hands.

right.
>google.com
>youtube
>piano tutorial 2 handed.

>books, piano for beginners 2 handed section

>melodies in both hands explanation

use the internet, learn on my own, come to teacher show what i learned and take it from there.
Next advice please teach?

>your 2 handed still sucks kiddo

>google
>2 handed comprehensive tutorial for beginners
>learn
>experience
>get gud

go to teech
>wow anon you improved mkay lets go next you need to do ....

just stop already.

So I'm practicing shapes as well as overhand gripping. Could someone critique my cylinders and give me tips to make them better? I know for a fact that my ellipses aren't good, but I'm not sure how to make them better.

>>1814080

lol its good you're learning shapes, but its not something that is overly needed, if you draw 1000 cylinders at the end of it you've just learned how to draw a cylinder lol.

Say you wanted to draw a forearm then the cylinder will help but drawing a cylinder isnt difficult. and you'll be stuck after applying the correct mass to the arm in relation to muscle and bone.

you need to work on what you want to draw first, shapes can be added easily.

>>1814080
Try using axes to draw ellipses. Ghost your lines before you put them down, and draw through the form.

>>1814066
>>1814074
No, you're an idiot. All that he told him were things he didn't know and weren't aware of. Most important things to consider were lines and porportions, which he should search and work on. Helper guy even went through the sketch and marked the errors, so that other guy will remember next time.

I believe almost every tip has some sort of merit, and I'm going to give an example. When I was a kid I used to draw a lot of superheroes with muscles all around. I made their shoulders huge, but didn't notice. Someone older saw my sketches and told me I'm drawing them too wide, and it was an eye opener. Since then I remembered to try my best to not fuck that area up.

>>1813954
>>1813956
>>1814084

Aight. So since shapes aren't super integral, I'm guessing I should work on either positioning or proportions.

Any tips on how to practice those, even if I don't really have too many fundamentals down?

>>1814086

When you say axes do you mean the ghosting motion or like literally an axe shape?

>>1814099

It depends what your aiming to draw at the end of the day. Give us an idea of what you want to draw.

>>1814084
>helper
Satan's little helper i'm guessing? because you're leading these newbies down a dark path of stagnation.

>>1814101

lol

>>1814101
which i have tried explaining to him but him and >>1814095 guys don't seem to realize this.

>>1814099
>axes
When I say axes, I mean the plural of axis.

>>1814099
Why are you listening to some nobody on /ic/

don't you even bother to ask for some proof of knowing n-what-the-fuck-you're-talking-about?

>>1814095
as the guy in question, all he did was redline it for me, which i could have done myself. i was looking for an idea of why i keep getting disporportionate bodies/why my perspective was off, obviously its off, it doesn't look the same. and i can see why in the redline. but if i don't understand why my mind is making this mistakes i will not be able to fix them next time. and then i will come back and post it and get the same exact advice pointing out that my proportions are off ect.

>>1814114

I told you exactly why, you saw the redline but forgot to read?

>>1814114
The answer is simple: because you're not experienced. The more you draw the better you get. Now I'm not saying there's nothing that can help you get better a little quicker, but it does come with practice.

If you want some good pointers I really recommend reading and working on chapter 3 in Keys to Drawing. Here's a page about mesuring.

>>1814114

you cant redline a drawing you did especially if you are anatomically inept to begin with what improvement will you possibly make?

>>1814119
what?
>>1813929
>I hope you will appreciate how badly you've imitated the reference as well as how the reference itself is anatomically retarded to begin with.

>just look at the reference carefully
no, you don't say? here i was NOT drawing inner construction skeletons and NOT looking at my reference the entire time. obviously that's where i'm going wrong. thanks for the help mang. You have told me the exact steps that i already used to make the picture, and it came out wrong. telling me them again won't help me fix the picture. get it?
>>1814124
is actual advice
>>1814125
>take picture
>take refrence
>put them on the same layer
>make a new layer
>trace the refrence
>move it over the picture

congratulations, i have just redlined it, and again, THIS is extremely helpful and something i CAN't do on my own which is what you are thinking. >>1813965

did this just last night. once i finish up the dress i might get some colored pencils and fill it in.

>>1814128
i really, really think you should use actual people as reference before playing around with exaggerated stuff. All you're doing right now is absorbing someone elses mediocrity.

>>1814128
>>1813798

Okay literally go fuck yourself you pleb.

>>1814100

My goal is all of those except the one on the top right, that is like blissful wishes. If I can just draw the fan-art I imagine, I'll be really happy.

>>1814134
>vualaaa

>>1814128

I didn't trace the reference i traced your original picture image.

put it over the reference to show that there are a lot of visible mistakes.

>>1814138

>read IC sticky
>anatomical models on google images helped me learn where the different muscles are on the human body.
>books helped me (any book with anatomy written on it)
>vilpuu and andrew loomis have devised methodology when it comes to anatomy. You can learn from them like I did

Vualaaaaaaaa

if you cant put the time and effort in to do that then just be up front with it and quit while you're ahea- oh wait behind.

>>1814133
it was just a pose i liked and a character i enjoyed playing.

>>1814139
i recognized that. but the process is the same, it would come down to preference/visibility which is better.

How do I un-fuck myself?

My perspective is still shit after doing months of Loomis. If anything is in perspective, it is a complete accident.

I can do cubes just fine, but the instant something has the slightest curve in it, it turns out shit, even if I draw a cube around it first. What am I doing wrong?

>>1814111

So I should keep drawing shapes until I feel like I'm good enough to move on?

>>1814145
seems more about proportions than perspective

ITT noobs who think they are the shit from reading hampton helping other noobs.

>>1814147
Pick up some books by people with actual credibility and learn from them. Make sure you're always applying what you learn.

>>1814148
They aren't meant to be realistic, just Blook level stuff. Even if I attempt to draw a more realistic face (pic related) it still looks flat and fundamentally wrong. Same for an even less realistic looking face.

>>1814155
placement issues mostly

>>1814143
If someone picks out a mistake of yours and you see that mistake, next time you will try to avoid making that mistake, then you will focus on that aspect of the drawing and through perseverance fix it properly because its not supposed to be there and isn't right.

Its not my explanation which is flawed its your perception and understanding of improvement which is incorrect.

>>1814095

>>1814158
>>1814148
Could you give some examples? Looking at each individual feature seems correct, but as a whole I it looks wrong.

>>1814155

study this:

http://www.learning-to-see.co.uk/feeling-the-form

if you dont improve after that then it comes down to your perspective, that can only be changed by continually drawing until you realize the areas you're drawing aren't the same as the reference.

>>1814155
It's flat, you're not thinking in 3D.

>>1814165

perspective and perception*
my bad

>>1814163
eye position is off, nose alignment is off, mouth is off.

>>1814165
>http://www.learning-to-see.co.uk/feeling-the-form
>" It's hard to put into words, the nearest I can come is that I started to feel the form as I drew, thus the title of this post. "
(This page has been recommended to me before, hence the fast 'reading' time)
What am I supposed to learn from this? How do I "feel" the forms, and what on earth does that even mean?

>>1814166
>It's flat, you're not thinking in 3D.
What does thinking in 3D mean, and how do I do it?

>>1814180
thinking in 3D:

Space probe...thing.

>>1813954
>>1813956
>>1814080
>>1814135

>>1814165
So should I start learning how to feel the form to get to my goal or is there another fundamental I have to be better at before I move on?
So should I start learning

Does anyone have any tutorials/advice on how to improve hand eye coordination? I want to have clean lines, perfect circles, and basically not be hindered by my inability to draw what is in my head.

Learning how to draw and perceive in 3D is well and good, but I can't draw a decent cube or sphere because of my shaky grip.

>>1814192
Yeah, I'm done.

Am I /anatomy/ yet?

>>1814211
Keep working, son.

>>1814190
How do I know where to place the planes? Even when looking at your example, and then adding planes directly over the original image I can't figure it out.

>>1814214
Anything in particular?

>>1814207
>perfect circles

get a circle brush go large full opacity and make a dot

get the eraser tool as round brush and make it slightly smaller than the original dot and erase

there you go perfect circle m8

>>1814215

there is a general order for the planes of the face, they change but kind of like making a map for a game, building a hill by pushing the ground up same with faces if there is a fat person the chin plane is pushed outwards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6QMGcB-Htk

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=planes+of+the+face&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=vYXyU5DSJMey7AaCYg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=955

personal favorite:

http://www.pinterest.com/danaburton59/art-facial-planes/

study multpile faces and their planes.

>>1814215
His planes aren't even close to accurate, and honestly it's a memory game.
Go read keys to drawing, or some perspective book, there is a lot of misinformation going around in this thread right now.

>>1814215
You should honestly start learning perspective. You won't really know to make heads or tails with facial planes until you have an understanding of how form works in space.

>>1814215

also work on features of the face, how to draw the eye, how to draw the nose how to draw the mouth and ears etc, then put them together.

>>1814222

yeah they aren't at all right, I just did that real quick as an example.

>>1814220
I knew I would get a cunt replying. So much for help.

>>1814226

Ok for real though mah niga, hand eye coordination play HEC games or something tha fahk

its most likely because you're new to a graphics tablet, takes a few weeks sometimes a month to get properly adjusted to em.

>>1814226
trace some circles until you come up with a good method that fits your drawing style to make a good circle. ex: pulling up, dragging down, overhand grip ect.

>>1814207
are you using your wrist to draw? if you are, you shouldn't. drawing with your whole arm and your wrist locked will give you more accurate lines/circles. when it comes to drawing digitally, you should just use the tools at your disposal.

>>1814226
Stop getting so fucking defensive. It's a fucking circle for Christ's sake, start drawing more circles. Use your shoulders instead of your wrist and in a month or so you'll see improvement if you fill a few pages of them a day you turd.

>>1814235
>stop getting defensive

Yeah asking for advice and getting a cunt responding is what I came to the thread for mate.

>>1814238
from what i have observed from this thread and others. don't come here for advice, you will get the same exact advice repeated over and over and constant shit talk about your drawing skills.

>>1814235
To be fair that guy seems to be dolling out a lot of bullshit advice

>>1814238
His response is fine, that's what people do with PaintToolSAI to create a perfect circle.

Jesus what the fuck is wrong with this thread?

If you're not working with a tablet watch Peter Han's Dynamic Sketch videos on Youtube and do as he says. Draw with your arm and shoulder.

>>1814238
It's just a random stranger over the internet you ass clown on fucking 4chan of all places. If you take dumb shit like that personally you aren't gonna make it as an artist.

>>1814242
>constant shit talk about your drawing skills
If your shit is fundamentally flawed then it's fundamentally flawed. Nothing will change that besides drawing a lot more and that takes a lot of time. If you want nothing but positive reinforcement and hugs and you think every comment is just someone trying to bully you then just go to deviantart.

>>1814243
A lot of everyone's problems can be solved by either not replying or by simply filtering which blocks him and everyone that replies to him, it's not hard at all.

>>1814242
That's because most of the people here have the same problem, and the rest of them don't post their work so you just have to kind of guess what's wrong from their dishonest self-critique. The shit talk comes with the territory. 4chan isn't populated by nice people.

Can I study anatomy, even though Im still on KTD? What anatomy books do you rec? What other things should I be studying?

>>1814251
theres a difference between saying "you dont have the fundamental concepts/perspectives" and "you literally have no understanding of perspective and your drawing is completely aweful" when someone actually produces something other than the terrible things they usually produce.

>>1814256
Then grow a fucking spine, you twink.

>>1814254
not true. go to /fit/. there are plenty of people. but when they point out "your diet is terrible/routine is bad and your body is bad" they don't leave you at that they give you SPECIFIC advice on how to fix what your issue seems to be rather than pointing out the obvious flaws and saying go do the research yourself like what happens in this thread.

>>1814262

They literally mean the same thing just one is way more harsh than the other. Sometimes people should try and learn a subject without complete guidance which can possibly lead to a better understanding in the long-run.

>>1814261
I've got a spine nigger. i'm simply pointing out the difference between helpful and non-helpful feedback. Whatever you autistic retard if you want shit board quality be my guest.

>>1814262
Drawing is different, son. There isn't a formula. It has a lot to do with how your head's wired. If you can tell me that as easily as someone on /fit/ can explain their shit routine, then maybe things will improve here. For now, you can be pointed in the right direction but the rest is on you.

>>1814255

http://www.alexhays.com/loomis/

here you go bro

>>1814254
4chan is populated by the same people as the rest of the internet, the only difference is that people are honest and don't claim some sort of moral superiority.

>>1814262
What you are being told IS the specifics, you're over thinking it like a typical beginner and you'r gonna realize that that way of thinking was retarded in a matter of months. What the fuck do you want? A fucking personalized and structured curriculum that's tailored specifically for you? You have every fucking resource available to you right fucking now to work on what you have been told is wrong. Stop blaming /ic/ for not holding your hand and being your own personal art instructor and get back to work.

>>1814268
You're getting butthurt over different wordings of the same exact thing. You should probably go somewhere else if it really upsets you that much.

>>1814273

fuck em dude, goddamn beginners, the only thing we can do is empathize, let them run their own course like we did.

>>1814262
>SPECIFIC advice

And people here also did just that, but of course this isn't enough for the brain-dead. Start thinking critically, there's no fucking way to improve if you don't. Don't expect everyone to give you everything on a silver platter. If someone tells you your lines are shit you search for line control practice and you do that shit till you get good. Whining on 4chan wouldn't help you with anything.

for all the bitches in here whining like little cunts

http://design.tutsplus.com/articles/whats-your-excuse-why-cant-you-draw--vector-18414

>>1814269

for /fit/, the people are still generally nicer/more accepting/proud of people making an effort to improve themselves. which you self-hating autists don't.

enjoy your shit board.

>>1814283

>draws a stickman

>ifeelproud.jpeg

>>1814283
Them being nicer means jack shit at the end because practice is all up to you. If you can't push and think for yourself you won't make it. If someone tells you you're shit work your ass and prove them wrong. But what you're doing right now is just admiting defeat because people on the internet weren't nice to you. If you take that much to heart this site isn't for you. Hell, art isn't for you.

I think this is the worst beginner thread out of all 14 of them.

>>1814283
Enjoy your shit drawing skill

>>1814288
OP of the majority of the threads here, I agree. I do hope this discussion will change some people's thoughts though.

>>1814284
>makes progress
>yourstillfuckinggarbagepatheticexcuseforanartistkillyourselfstopdrawinglearntodrawnbetterholyshitappreciatehowbadyoumimicedthispicture.jpg

>>1814285
m-muh thick skin m-muh stop being a pussy

>>1814289
you've already stated all the resources for getting better at drawings are available.

>>1814293

man this must be your first fuckin time on /IC/ phahahaha

>>1814293

Here anon, I think I found a site that... Better suites your tastes. http://www.deviantart.com/

god this thread is cancer.

you should all kill yourselves

>>1814293
Seriously, if you need strangers telling you what a good job you're doing to validate as to exactly why you started drawing in the first place then art is not for you.

>>1814296

You're right I will jug a bottle of bleach in a few minutes.

>>1814293
I'm not biting anymore, just get out.

This is so entertaining, and a little sad.

>>1814295
Hold up, anon, you need a place that can match his persecution complex.

He might wanna visit http://www.furaffinity.net/

>>1814301

Agreed 100%

>>1814303
Fucking shit comment are you even trying to comment? Look how far off from an actual comment that was. Work on your commenting see these resources.

howtobeanassholeandalientpeople.com
notfittingintosociety.net
thickskin, a guide to not being a beta bitch by: imhelping
growthefuckup.edu

yea, your fucking welcome for the help bro, do you know how thankful you should be of me? pussy bitch.

>>1812999
my try

>>1814308
>this butthurt

>>1814319
>falling for the bait

please leave /b/

So as a beginner, I'm not entirely sure how to practice. I know I'm supposed to just keep drawing but I'm not sure if mindlessly drawing without fully understanding the fundamentals is really helpful.

I've just started drawing two days ago and for the past two days I've just been drawing random things. My hand, foot, random stuff in around my house. But I'm looking for something more structured.

So I'm having trouble with structure, is there any exercise that I can repeat so that I get better at it? I just watched this Proko video about it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uEtdDvK6Xo)) and I just can't seem to get my shapes right with proportion, also my shapes look like crap. Proko makes drawing that camel look so easy but I just can't get the animals I've tried to look decent.

>>1814322
doesn't structure come after learning drawing what you see, perspective, texture, shading, and what not?

>>1814322
Sticky, really.

If you want a short version: read Keys to Drawing and do the tasks till you feel good about the results, then move on to other books.

>>1814324
how can you shade without knowing structure?

Is it okay or allowed to go to a museum and just start sketching the sculptures? I'm kinda nerveous about it.

>>1814329
Yes. http://blogs.getty.edu/iris/five-tips-for-sketching-at-the-museum/

>>1814328
just shade.

>>1814329
Yes, but make sure you bring a kneaded eraser.

Leaving eraser sheddings is rude.

>>1814329
>>1814332
Thanks, that encouraged me. I'm going to go this weekend and I'll post the results.

>>1814310
not bad dude, but if you can get a better picture thats a lil more clearer i can critique it more accurately if you'd like. Looks good so far though.

>>1812980
luv it

>>1813052
use this

I dunno how to draw similar eyes without fucking up

What is the ultimate beginner's book guys? Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain was just a crap experience for me and has left me feeling deflated.

>>1814369
Try Keys to Drawing and spend about a month filling sketchbooks with drawings from life applying what Bert teaches you.

>>1814369
>feeling deflated

came to the wrong place.

>>1813369
Not bad, dude, keep at it

Can anyone tell me about a good face reference site? All of the faces on Pixelovely are getting old for me

What are the best videos to watch as a supplement to Keys to Drawing? I learn better by watching and since I'm still waiting for my copy of KtD to arrive, I'm looking for some good follow along / bare bones basics to drawing stuff to watch.

>>1814406
Maybe lurk /fit for dude? Try this thread
>>>/fit/28231193

I just browse /s/ for gals

>>1814499
You know there's an /s/ equivalent for men, right? (/hm/).

>>1814507
Nice! Gotta look past all the penises - but it works

I made this tonight and posted it in a different thread, was told it'd be more fitting here. I'd like some criticism on it as there's just something off about it that i'd like to improve but what it is evades me.

Any ideas?

>>1814670
I'm assuming your idea is a heart of gold being mined in some cave? It took me a while to get.

Some things you should take care of:

>lack of depth
the only indicators of scale are the various mine carts, there is no atmospheric perspective or further emphasis of foreground, midground,background through layering of cave structures, you've just done one outline that makes it look like some fucking flat map. Look at this magic the gathering pic I've attached, see how the guy's done multiple stalagmites stalactites and columns of varying width? Notice how they tend to fade and grey out as they recede into the pic?

>wonky boxes
Your mine carts look incredibly misshapen and shoddy. Work on that shit next time and use a reference because they're more than just wheels on a cart. The wheels themselves are in correct, they should be minor ellipses with their minor axis serving as the axle.

>metal rendering
Metal is often much more reflective and has a much higher contrast, there's no reflections from the cave surface from the heart when there clearly should be as its a polished surface, look up references and stare at metallic objects and you'll notice they pick up and bounce off colors from their surroundings.

>perspective
The rails that the carts ride on don't follow perspective properly, the cross sections of the two further back rails are far too wide compared to the ones in the foreground, and they're not spaced correctly either. Try work on it simply with linear perspective first before you try any winding stuff.

Keep working on your basics anon, its a neat idea and it'll be worth revisiting or redrawing/painting in the future.

>>1814696
>various mine carts
*various cart rails
>in correct
*incorrect
>minor ellipses
*ellipses

>>1814696
I appreciate the feedback greatly anon. I'll get it eventually.

So I've never drawn before.

I'm supposed to read Loomis and that Right Side of the Brain book before I start drawing, right?

>>1814702
No you're supposed to draw and see if you have fun with it. The fuck sorta question is that anyway?

>>1814702
Ignore RSOTB and get Keys to Drawing first.

>>1814706
one of someone who browsed /ic/ for a week before deciding to try and learn to draw

>>1814708
Ok. Thanks.

I got 3 black prisma color markers with my gray scale set, so I am just bleeding them dry

No faces today just values, picked some easy references to practice.

>top left - practice
>bottom left - traced it + values (ignore alien face)
>middle - used 3D printed pikachu as light reference - seemed like a good idea at the time...
>right side no practice, balls to the wall
>used a mech ref from Jake Parker

Could someone redline where the values are supposed to start and end? I feel like some of mine are off, but I can't visualize it.

Also how many steps should I be learning with? I am using 20%, 50%, 70%, and 90%

>>1814713
>Also how many steps should I be learning with?

Even or odd grades: 10%, 30%, 50% or 20%, 40%, 60%, etc.

>>1812962
WIP, how is it looking? Should i change somethng?

>>1814773
Shit, here is the pic

oops, posted my question in the wrong thread...

Whats the best book for learning the construction and proportions of a face?

Like how do I know where the eyes go and how far spaced they need to be and such?

I see tutorials and I see them draw a circle for the head, then make lines on it, but how do I know how to properly measure and place those lines?

Do people just make lines and go "okay I'll put the bottom of the eye on this line" and etc or is there a specific way to figure out where each line goes?

>>1814454

Anyone? I'm looking for DvDs or Youtube channels/videos.

>>1814872
Start simple, practice line control
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFVggG7ajXM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaZmwHU7vZo

Should I be using a overhand grip for all my drawings, even if I'm not drawing that large? I'm not used to this new style of pencil holding.

>>1814886

I'm just using a basic 2HB pencil. Not sharpening it specially or anything.

How important has contour drawing been for anons getting better at drawing?

>>1814155
>>1814145
That guy here, again. I'm trying to learn to think in 3D, by reducing the human head to lowest possible number of polygons. However even when things are this basic, I'm still screwing something up. It's like I can only show certain perspectives of Mr. Trianguler Prism Head, see the section marked "WTF". Could I get some sort of advice or redline on what I'm missing or screwing up? Apologies for the messy lines, I'm trying to 'draw from my shoulder' after having been a wrist person my whole life.

>>1814938
You can still use your wrist to make minor adjustments, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater my nigga.

>>1814938
Why don't you start at the very beginning, anon?
Can you draw a cube in perspective?

>>1814953
>Can you draw a cube in perspective?
Sort of, kind of, I don't know, maybe.

Pic related. I assumed trianguler prisms would be easier than cubes, which is why I'm currently working with them.

I am right now doing the "keys to drawing" book, and I've realized that I can't shade for shit. My shadows seem unnatural. Is there any specific way you'd recommend approaching the issue?

Pic semi related I guess

>>1814970
It has a lighting chapter.

>>1814901
learn brush control, technical stuff

Are scribbly drawings like pic related okay for starting construction?

scribbles>3D shapes>contours?

>>1814962
work on your line confidence. your hand is extremely unsteady

>>1815058
No, you have to have confidence. Pick a line and stick with it. Ambiguity is a pain to work with.

>>1814962
watch proko's structure, or "making things look 3d" video. You're not taking the vanishing point into account.

>>1812962
I'm so fucking annoyed right now /ic/

I keep practicing with pixielovely and other anatomy sites to get my anatomy down. It's even gotten to the point where I don't like how my sketches come out next to the reference gesture SO NOW IM JUST PRACTICING RIGHT ON TOP OF THEM.

AND IT STILL COMES OUT LOOKING SO GOD DAMN STIFF. I don't get it, this is directly over a fucking pose and I started with my basics such as the line figure with all the sort of knee's and elbow markers, then I did the shapes, then I did the full body outline then I tried to do a sketch of it and had to stop myself because I hate it so much, what am I doing wrong?

Taking a break from figure sketching and facial construction. I had fun doing this. I need to draw for fun more often.

>>1815129
This is gonna sound like crazy mumbo jumbo but you need gesture drawing in your life and a good heaping serving of it. Start practicing it regularly and your stuff will loosen up but only if you practice it regularly for a while.

>>1815129
You're not doing gesture at all, you're just tracing lines and hoping it will turn out well. Watch Proko/Vilppu videos, pay close attention to their lines and the way they work.

Irrelevent but I noticed some beginners here are using tablets to practice, do you guys have a large drawing area on your tablet? Because I strongly recommend working with paper and working from your wrist, which is something that is harder to do in a small and medium sized tabletes.

>>1815129
Why are you getting annoyed? How long have you practiced anatomy for? It looks like you're pretty new to drawing and thinking 3D.

Just draw, don't think so much about having the most beautiful study known to man. I'm telling you, that the more you draw and the more you make shitty drawings, the more you will catch mistakes and do it better then next time.
Just keep practicing and stop discouraging yourself. Know your limits, as well.

>>1815129
You are guessing everything. You even tried to draw a shirt on the reference which is a dead giveaway you don't know shit about the muscles (and drapery).

>>1815147
I'm trying to practice as much as I can daily, I've been practicing straight gesture for probably about a month now which isn't long but Its disheartening to not have much progress
>>1815148
I'll check them out. I practice anatomy for awhile on paper before I had a tablet, I'm not really new to drawing but I've always had a problem with anatomy

>>1815149
I really suck at thinking in 3D but I'm not very new to drawing I've probably been seriously drawing for about 2-3 years now but I've always had real trouble with anatomy and thinking 3D so I'm going back to my fundamentals, its just been an annoying day plus this makes me more irritable.

>>1815150
I'm not quite sure how to not guess if you know what I mean? Do I just look at more reference or?

>>1814962
read Rapid Viz, your boxes need a little work.

>>1815129
you gotta exaggerate mane, feel it mane

>>1815233
Glad you posted this, just finished a quick round of gesture drawings after watching how gesture drawings SHOULD GENERALLY look,

is this starting to be more on the right track?

>>1815235
oh these are 60 second gestures by the by, I just paused after for the gif

>>1815148
Not him, but I just bought an H610 Pro, which is 10"x6.25". Is that considered medium or large?
I noticed my control was a lot better on pencil and paper but the ease of undoing things digitally alone makes it worth it to me.

>>1815235
are you just drawing sick figure poses and then offsetting some lines around it? thats not a good way to go about it.

you have to see the form

>>1815252
I think I started getting it a bit more in the later ones in the gif, Like motion lines and form lines, are the later ones more in the right direction?

>>1815157
>your boxes need a little work.

Could you get more specific please? I read Viz (chapter 1) and haven't gotten anything out of it other than his boxes are good, and mine arn't. What do I do (or not do) to make good boxes?

>>1815259
You need to draw your boxes in perspective. Every line is going a different angle.

Go look up some one-point perspective tutorials.

>>1814774
Nobody? eh

>>1815289
Increase the contrast relative to the background so it's easier to see?

>>1815269
Okay, here are some flat planes in 1 point perspective. I drew them in Corel Painter with lock to perspective turned on, so they should (at least hypothetically) be perfect. Is there anything wrong with them?

Could someone explain to me what's going on with this arm (/elbow)? It seems very uncanny to me, but I don't know if I just fail to grasp the anatomy/perspective/stylization, or if there's actually something wrong with it.

>>1815313
(Also, just to be perfectly obvious, I didn't draw this.)

>>1815313
Arms don't bend that way. It should just be straight. Rather reverse what you did to it, have it bend inwords would make it look less disturbing.

>>1815315
Compare it to this.

I'm using manga studio for the first time and I like it so far.

Once i created a perspective layer and draw some stuff, how can I switch back to "free hand mode" without deleting my perspective layer ?

I'm using 5.0

>>1815316
Are you retarded? Arms do bend that way. Not to that extent in the pic but they are in no way perfectly straight. If they are, you've got a disfigured arm.

Refer to
>>1813923

>>1815316
Arms can easily bend over 180 degrees. That said it's a bit exaggerated there especially since there is not pressure on the elbow.

anatomy can suck my cock.

now I have to forget about this drawing and move on to the next one.

>>1815320

Nevermind. I'm stupid.

>>1815257
The blond girl is the best one you got going I think.

In gesture you need to see the long sweeping lines that make up a body. One single stroke could establish the armpit all the way to the toe. Also not that you're not trying to accurately represent the body persay, but capture the spirit of it. That probably sounds pretentious, but you really have to loosen up and just see it.

>>1815341
also note:**

>>1815324

I'm double jointed and I can't even do it.

>Female privilege.

i'm now entirely certain that these threads are the exact reason this board is just utterly cancer infested. please, spare this board from all your retarded ramblings and just LURK for a while, you'll learn much more from reading from people that actually know what they're doing than getting helped by people who largely have no fucking idea what they're doing as well.

tl;dr stop

So, for the past few weeks I've been trying to practice a fuckton. What started as 2 hours a day a few weeks back has moved into 5 hours a day (with the odd missed day).

I've been exclusively gesture drawing, for many of these hours, going through the Art Models series over and over for 30 sec drawings (many were done 1 min) , numbering as several hundred (or more) at this point. At the same time I went through most of Figure Drawing for All It's Worth and Vilppu's Drawing Manual.

I'm sure I've improved, but man does it feel miniscule. I really, really want to start painting with my tablet and photoshop and move to faces. However, I don't feel like I'm good enough yet.

Any way to tackle this anxiety? Have I been distributing my time correctly? Where should i move forward?

>>1815362
Indulge me for a second and tell me why you're doing gesture drawings and how you judge your progress.

>>1815341
I'm trying man, but I'm just not used to turning the human body into one line, Its hard for me to over simplify these things, I guess I just have to practice over and over, is this any better though?

hands can suck my cock.

Is it bad that I can't even begin to draw a torso without drawing a head first?

>>1815312
Connect two planes in perspective with vertical lines and you have a nice cube.

Keep doing that until you get used to having an imaginary focus point freehand

>>1815367

Other threads have said the're imperative to practise. Vilppu himself had said he has students practise them for six hours a lesson at the start of drawing manual.

They're to drill form, instead of line.

>>1815376
You need to be thinking about what you're doing, and you need to be cautious of the specific purpose of everything you're doing. "I'm doing gesture drawings because people said I should so I suppose if I just do them a lot I'll magically become real good at drawing faces" doesn't work.

Done this with only one brush, still WIP.

>>1815378
This.

If you have no idea how proportions work and how the human body connects to the different parts, practising for 5 hours a day is almost pointless.

>>1815362
>>1815376

Draw stuff for fun, too. You'll go crazy and might end up evening hating the art if you do nothing but practice drills.

>>1815374
yeesh, i didn't notice how stumpy that torso was until after posting, but i fixed it.

>>1815378
>>1815376
To make what he said more useful to you: Gestures are a construction tool. People who use gesture intensively, like Vilppu, build the muscular structure on top of them. If you feel like you can capture the gesture/pose, you really should move on to something else. Your goal shouldn't be to make them as pretty and elegant as Loomis' and Villpu's.

>>1815386

I see this alot, probably because we natually focus on the upper body more. Make sure your girl isn't top heavy--that's for men.

Not done but recent. Need a new drive recently

>>1815397
Don't reference to your animu please
>>1815386
Women do have wider hips, but the shoulders are still the widest part of their bone structure

>>1812999
Just started trying to draw like 3 days ago, working through Fun With a Pencil if it isn't obvious. Pls no bully.

hands really distract me from focusing on the torso.

WHO CAN GUESS MY REFERENCE IMAGE?

>>1815404
thanks, i am trying to follow that rule. I think I did a better job in pic related than in the last one.

How can I improve my landscape painting skills?

What are the best human anatomy VIDEO series for artists?

New >>1815458

>>1815433
By not using every color of the rainbow just for the hell of it.

yea. still workin on it.