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1812339 No.1812339 [Reply] [Original]

This disgusts me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AipVVGoPItM

>> No.1812347

>>1812339
I've seen pic related somewhere on here before and people were dogging it. I understand why now, it pisses all over the things people on here try so hard to get good at because it's just copy and paste manipulation. I don't know about you guys but I'd never do this kind of thing...

>> No.1812350

>>1812339
Holy shit, I have no words. They're teaching this stuff in workshops too? This is starting to scare me.

>> No.1812351

>>1812339
i love maciej and photobash has a legitimate purpose, but the laziness of this shit is getting ridiculous. at least it devalues renderwhoring

>> No.1812353

>>1812339
Wicked things shall bring disgust to thy hearts of men.

>> No.1812355

>>1812351
It's just a matter of time before they start photobashing masters paintings at large so that will devalue stroke economy too.
What else will even remain at that point?

>> No.1812356

They need help and the art schools of today sure as hell aren't gonna supply them with able students. What you're looking at is the industry's improvisation.

>> No.1812358

>>1812356
It's a damn good one then, because I'm pretty sure this stuff sells like hotcakes.

>> No.1812369

>>1812339

that's the thing aye. you can either define your self worth by the quality and artistry of your work (jaime jones wannabeism),

or you can define your self worth by the amount of shekels you make, which is what every normal person does, and just be efficient and fast and productive (while shitting on artistry and artistic self-respect etc)

>> No.1812378

>>1812339
I am a painting lover, but there is nothing wrong with doing this. Go fuck yourself, this is excellent photo manipulation with a little bit of versatile painting to glue things together here and there. It's cool, it's efficient, it's an artform.

>> No.1812380

>>1812378

second.

op this is like comparing apples and oranges. he uses a different method to achieve something and it looks like it works well in that digital photo manipulation area.

do your own thing and stop being bothered by other people doing theirs

>> No.1812382

>>1812339
I dont like this stuff but I admit it looks very nice.
>girl with gun
>cyborg
>asian setting
>biting lip
Generic as fuck though.

>> No.1812384
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>>1812378
>>1812380
sorry, but this is a sickeningly lazy photobash. maciej has barely designed anything here.
even with the whole shitstorm he caused, mullins at least knows how to photobash well
because he can actually paint

>> No.1812388

>>1812339
yfw this guy made concept art for Guardians of the Galaxy new movie. http://www.kuciara.com/#/guardians-of-the-galaxy/

If you guys dream about working as a Concept Artist, you need to acknowledge the fact that industry is a bitch, they dont give a fuck about your talent but your finished work.

>> No.1812396

>>1812388
none of these benefit from photobashing though

>> No.1812398
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>> No.1812399

>>1812339
Professionally, I'd do it if I was on his level. Personally no I won't do it.

>I have no soul.

>> No.1812410

>>1812358
Yep. And that's the purpose. I think /ic/ purposely chooses not to see industry art as a different field solely for the sake of being mad at something. But that's just my assumption loosely based on several years of lurking different boards.

>> No.1812438
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>>1812339
this should be illegal

>> No.1812450

It's concept art. Only done for shitting out ideas. When it comes to the entertainment business, if it's legal, it's fair game. Movie directors are not going to give two shits if you tell them your piece that took you two days to finish from your imagination, when he wanted several ideas done by now. Even Feng Zhu is not stupid enough to call himself an artist because he knows this is not art. Get over yourselves, if you want to work in the entertainment field, you will have to adjust to this level of crap.

>> No.1812460

>>1812339
The style and result of this process isn't very appealing, but what bothers me is the title 'character illustration'. It implies that the work wasn't photobashed together.

>> No.1812463
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1812463

I would be okay with this if he did a sketch beforehand designing stuff and then doing it,but ohh wait that means he could not have found google images for stuff that does not exist in the real world

>> No.1812466

>>1812339
Welcome to commercial illustration. Clients don't care about your process, they just want a concept illustrated as fast as possible.

>>1812460
Look up the dictionary definition for both "Character" and "Illustration", thanks.

>> No.1812479

>>1812466
clients are fucking idiots.

>> No.1812508

I wonder if you amateur fucks will ever get over it that photobashing and 3d modeling is a common process in the concept art industry. Everyone does it, even your heroes Jaime and Mullins. So either grow up and accept it already or start looking for another possible future in another profession.

>> No.1812511
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>>1812508
One thing is to use photos and overpaint them and having a photo as a basis and not doing a photo collage with 5 % of painting

>> No.1812513

So when are they going to take the "art" of "concept art"?

>> No.1812516

>>1812466
>implication not literal definition

>> No.1812519

>>1812513
Never because it's a totally legit form of art, all you haters are just hippie faggots who will die of starvation because you look down on photo bashing when it's actually the future of art. Good luck selling your 2deep5u original paintings on the sidewalk you fucking losers

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>>1812519
super epic troll'd 11/10

>> No.1812536

>>1812339
i just can't get over how stupid that robot hand looks.

>> No.1812539

The only thing that bothers me is that there's no distinction between something that's just photos slapped together, and something that's completely painted by hand.

The method is COMPLETELY different, but they're treated as the same.

>> No.1812541

>>1812398
is this tom hardy from inception ?

>> No.1812546

>>1812541
doesn't even look remotely like him

>> No.1812547

>>1812539

yep. all these fags posting their "paintings" on fb, and even calling it painting makes me want to go full potatoe on the comments and say

"why are you calling this a painting? it's a photo collage mate"

but ofcourse, can't risk appearing unprofessional

>> No.1812548

Looks nice. Good, eye catching results, efficient workflow, less time spent on individual works.
What is there not to like?
I am not an "artist" myself but you guys really need to stop obsessing over such trivial shit. If for no other reason than the fact that your opinion means absolutely nothing and influences nobody.
Also I have no idea why this elitist, holier-than-thou attitude is so prevalent among posters here, posters who, on average, have very little to feel elitist about when it comes to their work.

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>>1812548
>I am not an "artist" myself
opinion discarded

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>>1812541

>> No.1812554

>>1812548
you can't understand how people working hard for something are bothered when that something is going to the hacks?

>> No.1812555

>>1812339
Oh well now we know why there's "artists" shitting in cans and selling it as art. Why bother mastering a more classic skill set, when someone can just glue things right out google image search into a piece almost equal to one made with a classic skill set.

It's a shame but we can't avoid the future, so we'll have to adapt.

>> No.1812565
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1812565

you kids really believe everything feng tells you
>>1812555
>robo karlie collage is almost equal to a classical image

>> No.1812567

>>1812555
i always wondered, did you guys who complain about that can know that the point of it is exactly your point, that it's complaining about the same thing, just being way more clever about it. or does your mind stop at the mere idea without bothering to consider further? i just always wondered. either way is a valid imo.

>> No.1812573

ITT: "Kids discover concept art"
Coming Next: "What is a job?"

>> No.1812576

>>1812573
This is an illustration though, not concept art.

>> No.1812581

>>1812573
itt: children are unqualified of having opinions

>> No.1812583
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>>1812339
It disgusts me too.
12 hours long. He could spend half that time painting this from scratch if he had the skills. And the result would be far superior. I always think photobashing results in ugly colors, the photos all come from places with different lighting, when you mush them all together it just doesn't work no matter how long you play with the hue's and levels. Nothing can be good old painting.

>> No.1812584

>>1812583
beat

>> No.1812585

>>1812583
>12 hours long.
I seriously hope that's just because he goes over the things he does and talks talks talks, right? He can't have seriously spent half a day on this.

>> No.1812589
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Lunchtime quickie :D 20 minutes no ref ;)

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>>1812589
Amazing man, It's good that the industry now belongs to digitally proficient artists such as ourselves and not those hacks who try to emulate traditional.
Got some gumroad of yours to share? Here's what I did recently, no ref either.

>> No.1812594

>>1812589
You're gonna get hired for Blur one day.

>> No.1812599

>>1812589

nice painting man! which brushes did you use?

>> No.1812608
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1812608

My fellow art friends! Lately have you seen these younger heretics using something called "perspective" whilst painting???

Mine picture be related. Tools and rules shall be forbidden!

>> No.1812613

>>1812519
the future of concept art maybe
I doubt they will hang Taylor Swift's photoshopped lips into an art gallery

>> No.1812620

>>1812613
how do you know that? get with the times. nobody wants to buy wacky original art, unless it's futa furry or something else nasty. if you want to work in the concept ART industry then you need to learn how to photobash along with some fundementals so that you can become a hireable and competitive artists. loomis, vilpoo, or bridgeman aren't going to teach you this, so don't waste your time. this is why Feng Zhu's school is setup the way it is. yeah, he went to Art center but you don't need 4 years of education in a whole bunch of subjects to become a good concept artist. you only need intense focus on what the industry requires. everything else is for "illustrators", hipsters, and hurr hurr abstract crochet collage artists who live on diet coke and white bread and live their cardboard boxes under a bridge.

>> No.1812622

>>1812620
I rather become a illustrator then, concept art is fucking overrated shit anyway

>> No.1812625
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>>1812622

>> No.1812627
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>>1812620
there's a difference between being a luddite and having enough pride in your work to not be a lazy shitbag. photobash is a tool like everything else but it's a stretch to even call this
>>1812339
>>1812398
design. photobash is the opposite of good composition

>> No.1812640

>>1812613
I bet 60-70 years ago art critics loved to say shit like this about comics and magazine cover artists.

>> No.1812644

>>1812625
>for film

Which makes it pretty much concept art.

Also, you have 'an illustration' as in a picture, and illustration as in the field.

>> No.1812645

>>1812627
>>1812625

there is nothing lazy about maciej's work and he has every right to call it art and himself an artist because this is the nature of the industry and the capabilities of technology. there are no 'limits'. 2254

>> No.1812648

Didn't Shaddy Safadi say that you should just use photos of figures instead of creating it from scratch for concept art?

>> No.1812655

>>1812384
I'm genuinly curious why this keeps getting posted in every photobash thread.

Is there a story or step by step somewhere? Showing him using plenty of photos or something??

>> No.1812656

>>1812648
>Shaddy Safadi
>mudslimes can't draw people because of religion
>whatever, they photobash the shit out of them
My sides are in orbit right now.

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>>1812546
>not remotely like him
really ? I think it does. Maybe not 100% but come on

>> No.1812673
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>>1812655
because it's an example of good photbash, at least compared to this Polish nonsense

>> No.1812682

>>1812339
>muh HIGH ART
>photobash is NO SKILL
youthful idealism so beautiful

>> No.1812695

>>1812673
Where is the photos?

I know it's mullins and I know who he is. But I am curious to see why that specific picture is posted.

>> No.1812714

I see the purpose of what he does and I don't think I would mind doing it myself but I just can't get myself to call it anything but what it is.

Its a photoshop manipulation.
A great one and it does everything it is suppose to but I would call it a lie for him to say that he painted that.

>> No.1812717

>>1812682

It's partly idealism, but also partly a legitimate fear that, as 3d and photomanip software becomes more powerful, traditional drawing and painting will be unable to compete.

Most people who get into doing art professionally do it out of love for the craft of drawing and painting. If you want to paint, and you don't want to be forced to stop painting and start collaging photos to stay viable as a professional artist, then it's obviously going to make you worried when you see photobashing gaining ground on the commercial art market.

Chalking it up to "hurr stupid idealists" is really a failure to understand the issue.

>> No.1812723

Is it just me or most people don't know that preproduction isn't just about one picture? ¨
Argument that he didn't design anything in picture is true, but I bet pictures liek these goes from "main" conceptartist, to some lower level conceptartist to further "iterate" the design. This picture is clearly the first stage concept. You guys need to fucking separate fineart and applied art. Just because some conceptart look like old painting doesn't mean it's fineart.

>> No.1812752

GUYS! :D
if you are bad at drawing/designing, and you have no training in communicating visually, through images, i.e no knowledge of things like different types of contrast, composition, shape design etc etc (you know the drill) you will NOT be able to do genuinely good work. The only problem as i see it (so my humble opinion basicly) is that these gumroad tutorials, and what not, teach people a workflow thats too "advanced". In the sense that using 3D software and photos before learning to understand things three dimensionally, and before learning to compose, and have good foundations and drawing abilities only result in the countless shitty photobashed non-cohesive images that you guys have probably seen a lot of on the internet. The reason mullins can photobash and almost do collage like pictures, is because hes a trained industrial designer/painter, who has an almost autistic knowledge of how form/light works, in that way he can bring in any source material, and adapt it to the scene he is crafting (adjusting values, temperature and saturation)

THERE ARE NO RULES JUST TOOLS! (BUT PLEASE LEARN TO DRAW ANYWAY! :DDDDDDD)

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>>1812339
I didn't read anything. but is that karlie kloss? I love her

>> No.1812884

>>1812830
i fapped.

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>>1812884

>> No.1812897

>>1812830
Meh, fat legs, not that special at all.

>> No.1812898
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>>1812897
wow ur a cool guy

>> No.1812909

>>1812670
Seconding anon, that looks nothing like him.

I think your facial recognition might be off.

>> No.1812918

I don't have anything against his technique but the design he came up with couldn't be any more uninteresting

>> No.1812928

>>1812918
idk reminds me of blade runner

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>>1812830

I actually had to open photoshop and copy paste her head several times to be sure that she had normal proportions.

> 7,5 heads tall with the high wheel

>> No.1812945

>>1812717
At the same time this workflow opens up opportunities for people like me with a bunch of 3d skill as well as 2d to work on on other things than just making props for games.
This is really just an issue for people who only appreciate their own method of working and don't use the full spectrum of available tools

>> No.1812951

>>1812384
He didnt design anything because it's an illustration. It's mainly trying to convey a mood and be eye-catching

That mullins painting is 90% painted and 10% brush textures. You can't call that a photobash/photomanipulation. It also doesn't work as a poster or illustration for film because it's lacking realism/detail for big posters. The images have completely different purposes and requirements so you can't really compare them in a good way.

The Picture in OP isn't a lazyly done image. 99% of people looking at it wont be analyzing every little detail and wont get annoyed about lightsources being off or missing like the people here.

>> No.1812956

>>1812951
90% of the people are frickin' morans. if you're trying to appeal to them you could go way cheaper than this.

and it's not about light-sources or anything macro like that. over-all it looks like an icky disjointed crapola. if it looks okay to you from a distance then you suck a ballcock. the fuckin thing looks like a collage, and also like it isn't supposed to look like a collage. it looks like bad cgi or dumb blue screen or any of many dumb computer things that ruin stuff. it's a desolate fart of an image. a fucking abortion of a shit. ew. ew. ew.

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>>1812956
You sound like a moran you frick.

>> No.1812973

this is really good yo, first i thought it was emma watson chilling in the sofa with an occulus rift or something

>> No.1812974

>>1812956
>appealing to 90% of people
>bad thing

good luck earning any money

>> No.1812978

>>1812974
I'd rather starve than trace.

>> No.1812982

>3D model for that simple pose
top kek

>> No.1812989

>>1812974
you appeal to a broad audience with broad themes. everyone can do this because it's fuckin entry.

>a hero

done.

to make the money your stupid frikin chumpanzee audience needs someone who knows what they're talking about to say it's good. that's what critics and fucken ads are for. you don't need to appeal to the frikin' cattle you numbpussy, the cowherds tell them where to go.

>> No.1812995

No one gives a shit about your workflow, they only ever see the result so cheat your ass off and make it look good.

>> No.1813002

>>1812995
obviously we care.

>> No.1813060

>>1813002

I'm pretty sure he doesn't care about us caring about him.
He's getting paid and can get away with it, more power to him. At the end of the day, it's just a job that was handed to him.

>> No.1813085

>>1813060
who cares if he cares. this isn't a fucking letter to him you pokeman. it's a thread in which we bitch and whine about something which is terrible which we can't do anything about. if you're going to be reason go talk somewhere where people have names you haven't embraced anonymity at all.

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>>1812339
iktf; these fuckers are gonna do the same thing to illustration & design that they did to posters. Karlie deserves the money for this piece; she did all the work.
how fast do i have to get to avoid becoming one of these dentaldams?
>>1813085
>you pokemon
ur a pretty good guy

>> No.1813133

>>1813130
>these fuckers are gonna do the same thing to illustration & design that they did to posters

What are you talking about?

>> No.1813137

>>1813133
http://www.drewstruzan.com/illustrated/portfolio/


https://www.google.com/search?q=poster&es_sm=91&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=qzbxU9zMJMGLyASg04KgBg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ#q=movie%20poster&revid=1998126833&tbm=isch&imgdii=_

>> No.1813192

>>1813130
>did I leave the oven on?.jpg

>> No.1813202

>>1812589
Needs a few lens flares and chromatic abberation.

>> No.1813241

>>1813137
You do know that those colored pencil posters are traced/painted over photos via lightbox, right?

>> No.1813259

>>1813241
so did rockwell but if you can't tell the difference between that and this kind of photobash, i have little hope for you.

>> No.1813359

>>1813259
And this is relevant to my post how? You/someone was jizzing over some posters from old times and just wanted to point out how those were made.

>> No.1813367

>>1812951
by that definition the old masters made illustrations.

>> No.1813370

I don't get why so many people on here are knee-jerking over this. What's wrong with taking shortcuts? What exactly would be better about anyone's work if they did it the hard way around?
Digital is a medium that allows for more freedom and speed in manipulating imagery than any other. Art is about the message, not showing off how proficient you are with whatever tool you have - that's pure craftsmanship.
Just because people had to dig holes with shovels for ages doesn't mean using excavators somehow makes the end product worse.
Just because a pen-and-ink draughtsman has to cross hatch to imply tone doesn't mean the watercolorist is cheating.
Leonardo, Michelangelo, Rubens, all the Old Masters used tricks and references when making their works. They had models pose, manipulated light with mirrors, used grids for 1-to-1 tracing and many other tricks.
Art evolves, tools evolve. We no longer have to grind our own pigments or attend dissections. Believing that purposefully not using your tools to the fullest extent makes you or your art more "pure" is not only naive, it's idiotic. It's the equivalent of telling a painter they cannot paint over stuff because those working with ink can't.

And I'm saying all of this as someone who doesn't like the industrialization of art.

>>1812627
>design. photobash is the opposite of good composition
That makes no sense at all. Composition is about organizing the space in your image. Whether you use photos or colored rectangles doesn't matter.

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>>1813367
Too bad the old masters could never create anything better than this.

>> No.1813377

Photobashes always look like garbled muddy sharpen filtered to fuck pieces of shit anyways who gives a shit

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>>1813371
nice.

>> No.1813387

>>1812339
Modern scrapbooking ahoy !

>> No.1813388

>>1813371
dudes you've never heard of from the 19th century did better than that all the time.

>> No.1813391

>>1813371
Whats wrong with that?

>> No.1813393

>>1813371
That has to be one of the cheapest looking photobashes I've ever seen in my life. I hope nobody actually paid for that load of shit.

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>>1813371
>those edges

>> No.1813396

>>1812640
and it was true :O

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>>1813371
>1,363 favorites

I give the fuck up

>> No.1813402

>>1813367

Pretty much. This idea of "art" is relatively new. Old masters were considered craftsmen in their day. They worked for the shekels.

>> No.1813406

Chinese and Korean artists will always be better than this.

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>>1812339
it's not really fair comparing the old masters to computer guys as they had different goals. if you want someone technically proficient and not afraid or too pure to use illustrative tricks and who had the same sort of goals, creating like a special sense of place and costume and such. i think the orientalists are a fairer comparison.

>> No.1813441

What is photobash?

>> No.1813447

>>1813441
basically photo collage, but done digitally so one can manipulate the photos enough that they almost fit together into a coherent picture.

>> No.1813449

>>1813447
Thanks m8.

>> No.1813453

I actually can't fucking believe what I'm reading in this thread. Is this really the opinion of the majority of /ic/? You mongoloids seriously think that using photographs in PHOTOSHOP to help with an illustration is cheating.

This is the same shit that people in the early 2000's were saying about digital art. "Wait, so this was made on a computer? So, it wasn't actually painted then." as if the computer magically fucking created the painting.

And, by the way, Kuciara has non-photobashed paintings that absolutely shit on anything you idiots have ever made. So yeah, he can paint.

>> No.1813468

>>1813453
>Kuciara has non-photobashed paintings that absolutely shit on anything you idiots have ever made.

not really made. he is competent, but that's about it.

>> No.1813471

>>1813453
get outahere bashy, your kind ain't welcome. go over to /p/ if you love photos so much.

>> No.1813477

>>1813468
This came up last time there was a thread on him. His paintings are pretty solid, they are definitely considered good unless you have ridiculously high standards where only like 3 artists in the world are considered good. The stuff from years ago that he was doing that was all painted is definitely better than anything being posted on /ic/ too. His lighting, mood, colours, and environments were are really good, even if some of his figure work was a bit wonky or whatever.

>> No.1813478

>>1813477
post some, i bet they suck. and were really traced anyway

>> No.1813481

>>1813478
Look up his old sketchbook on CA

>> No.1813499
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>>1813370
composition:
the nature of something's ingredients or constituents; the way in which a whole or mixture is made up.

photos ruin detail hierarchy, gesture and shape design. the color keys and edges are generally terrible. figures are jauntingly stiff and disconnected from the rest of the piece
even in good photobashes, the plates are usually the weakest parts of the image

photobash is the illusion of quality without good design underneath it
>>1813477
maciej can paint and design really well but that only makes his photobash work more frustrating

>> No.1813504

>>1813453
Please. It's not even remotely close. Sure big fundamentals like perspective, lighting, color theory and composition are a huge part in the photo bashing technique. However, it does a lot of the actual painting process for you. It's merely using photoshop's tools to create an image for you. It is in no way like actually painting it from the ground up. Which is the one major component that both traditional painting and digital painting had from the beginning (that normalfags seem to dismiss because they're idiots).

>> No.1813506

>>1813453
>what is a false dichotomy

>> No.1813522

>wow look at this this I'd never do
>let's discuss this for hours

get back to work you stupid faggots

>> No.1813532

>>1813499
Composition (and I mean in relation to art, you dingwad) is about the overall look and feel of the artwork, not the little flawed or imperfect details. Your huge gripes with the "photo evidence" in these half-paintings are a thing of personal preference and holier-than-thou thinking. The image works, and all those imperfections with photoedits? They're not objectively a bad thing. I actually like them in the picture, faggot. Open your mind a little. Jesus. Fucking dipwad.

>> No.1813566

>photobash herp derp
I love it that we have painting purists here, despite the medium (and kind of the business) being so young.

>> No.1813577

>>1813566
well...

"Because the student's business is with the practical is no reason why he should remain ignorant of everything else. It is important that he should think as a painter as well as work as a painter. If he has no thought of what all this practical is for, he will get a false idea of his craft. He will see, and think of, and believe in, nothing but the craftsmanship: that which every good workman respects as good and necessary, but which the wise workman knows is but the perfect means for the expression of thought."

we appear to be students making a classic student mistake.

>> No.1813586

>>1812592
This is actually good

>> No.1813868

Lot of jackasses on here sitting on their asses not accomplishing shit. All while criticizing the way other artists express themselves. Fucking losers.

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>>1812589
wow so impressed, WIP here, no ref

>> No.1813881

>>1813868
yea threads about artists on an art board are so shitty. I'd rather have a thread talking about something completely unrelated like dick size and literature.

>> No.1813882
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I dislike photobashing and 3D model bases, because it creates an expectation that all artists need to do this in order to meet deadlines. Tracing 3D models and getting detail from other artists are not the reason I got into art and take most of the fun out of the process for me. I know there will come a time when I'll have to get good at it because it's what the industry expects.

>> No.1813932

>>1813453
I actually didn't think he was especially bad until your post made me check his DA gallery. He's really not very good, which imo is the whole problem with this type of tricks. People do them because it's faster but they keep themselves from learning a lot of fundamental stuff.

Check it out for yourself http://tiger1313.deviantart.com/gallery/

>> No.1814045

>>1813932
>I actually didn't think he was especially bad until your post made me check his DA gallery

>one of top industry pros
>not especially bad
>until

Please quit art now anon and save your self time, you will never make it.

>> No.1814048

>>1813393
>hundred times better than everything I have ever done
>I will still try to shit on it to feel better

>> No.1814056

>>1813499
How does the pic relate to what you wrote anon? Please answer.

>> No.1814057

>>1814056
I mean the Eytan's work you posted, not the OP.

>> No.1814058

>>1812450
This

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>>1814045
who cares if I'll make it or not, his work is flawed and I don't enjoy looking at it. Pic related is what I had just seen when I posted what I said. As I said, I don't care that much about the technique but this clearly demonstrates that the guy doesn't know how to look at his pictures if he thinks it looks good. The form is offensive, the perspective is wonky, subjects aren't very inspired... All he's got going for him is I guess a sense of composition and somewhat a sense of brushwork, ruined by the fact that low-res photo textures reveal themselves all over the place (see the trees in the last of us concept art for instance).

Alright now your turn. I'm open to change my mind, but I doubt it'll happen.

>> No.1814118

>>1814116
His work is meant for fat jews to nod their heads at and say they'll roll with that. Theres no point in even holding him up to the same standards as a fine artist.

>> No.1814154

>>1814118
whether he likes it or not and no matter what anyone says on this board, he is an artist. Artists have created their work for others to use for millenia. The field of architecture would be a prime example of that. Primitive tribes painted and/or sculpted portraits because they thought it granted you immortality. Magic was commonly associated with art at that time. During the 13th century, painters represented the scenes from the bible to be exposed in churches, for them to help commoners worship god through the paintings. Well, that's what I read in "The Story of Art" from Gombrich anyway.

this recent idea that art is something solely created for the pleasure it gives to look at, or that concept art is something that exists outside of the art world, is ridiculous. The reason it happens is the same reason why hollywood only produce the exact same cape blockbuster every summer, it's cheap and it sells about as well as something of quality. It's a knock-off.

>> No.1814181

>>1814116
>his work is flawed
>subjects aren't very inspired
>see the trees in the last of us concept art
>concept art

You still don't get the fucking point.

>> No.1814182

>>1813371
>medival
>2 swords
>arabs selling mayan things
>half painted half shooped

>> No.1814458

>>1812585
>>1812583
>12 hours
>12 hours long. He could spend half that time painting this from scratch

Its only 12 hours long because all prep work was done beforehand, finding textures etc. In total its probably 2x that.

And no, you couldnt paint anything like that even if you were given a week. GL trying to achieve photorealism with your brush, kek.

>> No.1814461

>>1814458
>GL trying to achieve photorealism with your brush
are you reading my mind?

>> No.1814462

>>1814461
Maybe I am you anon.

>> No.1814791

>>1812989
>you appeal to a broad audience with broad themes. everyone can do this because it's fuckin entry.
mind show us how to do it?

>> No.1814808

>>1814791
i did. i do again,

a normal guy is doing his own thing where suddenly something happens. oh no! he has to go and do something, something really hard that will fix the first thing or stop worse things from happening. at first he's lost and confused but he meets some people along the way who can help him. he might even be falling in love with one of them! as he over comes small and large difficulties along the way he starts to learn his full potential and also starts to understand himself, and what's really important. then as he approaches the solution to the problem. oh no!! he has a huge set back! it looks like maybe he won't be able to fix everything after all. but thankfully he finally understands, and accepts the help from his friends. the person he might be in love with demonstrates they might be in love with him too. he and his friends stand together for a moment, contemplating the final challenge that will fix everything.

[cont.]

>> No.1814813

>>1814808
They have a hard time fixing the problem, maybe some of them die. but wait! when the problem is seemingly fixed it's revealed that that wasn't the problem at all, their attempt to fix the problem has made the problem worse! He takes a moment to lament his lost friends, cement his relationship with the person he now loves, increases his power level beyond what was demonstrated to be possible throughout the rest of the story or with pure rage then tackles the real problem. he fixes the real problem or he doesn't but obtains personal absolution by accepting the world as it is. he kisses his new lover. pauses for a moment to allow us to contemplate the coolness of what we just witnessed, perhaps hinting there's more to come.

the end.

return next time for: Broad II: Broad Broader (rated pg)

>> No.1814822

>>1814813
wtf I can't understand a single word you said

>> No.1814827

>>1814822
well you're dumb then, here,

man + friends = save world.

>> No.1814830

Nobody has any download links for his tutorials?

The bottom line for me is that A) he's working at naught dog and B)I'm fucking not

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>>1814458

>> No.1814848

>>1814458
linran.kekpeg

>> No.1814867

>>1814458
It's like you've never seen a well rendered painting before. If you have the base down quickly, 12 hours is more than enough time to photo-realistically render a girl lying on the ground in front of a car.

>> No.1814873

>>1814833
you have to be autistic to have the patience to paint like this.

>> No.1814874

>>1814867
show me

>> No.1814879
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>>1814874
XD

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>>1814873
I wish I had autism.

>> No.1814890

>>1814887

lol. not only is it rendering into 400% zoom, single pixel brush territory, it's also a photo paintover.

what is the point lol...

>> No.1814892

>>1814833
Why are the people in photo realistic drawing always drenched in jizz.

It's like they're standing under a waterfall.

>> No.1814900

>>1814887
I can't grant your wish anon, for you see, you had autism all along.

>> No.1814903

>>1814892
because le water is so weep and sublime :DDDDDDDD

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>>1814867
idk, took me about 50 hours to do a true photoreal piece, and that was very simple. you may remember it from the other thread

>> No.1814927

>>1814867
Nope anon, neither you or anyone else could do a photorealistic painting like that without using phototextures in 12 hours.

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>>1814867
>>1814904
I don't know which one of you thinks OP's pic is photorealistic, but it isn't.
>>1814833 >>1814887 are.
I mean this is not rocket science guys. You can achieve shit like this >>1814879
in short amounts of time properly because it's shit. If you can't see the difference between those and true photorealistic pieces you might want to get your eyes checked.
And I don't even like photorealism, mind you, but it's ridiculous to mix these together.

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https://gumroad.com/l/vmkX

>> No.1815766

>>1815758
after seeing even one piece where he pasted a photo, i wouldn't trust any of his paintings are genuine, no matter how much he tries to hide it under messy brushwork.

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>>1815766
Don't ask where I got this, he's mostly genuine when he wants to be. I'll post the final after.

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>>1815775
Final. For most digital artists this isn't impossible without photobashing. It may have some elements, but not like OP's pic.

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>> No.1815780

>>1815776
Except Marek uses photos too according to Maciej.

>> No.1815781

>>1815776
Master Chief bleeds jellybeans?

>> No.1815786

>>1815766
>after seeing even one piece where he pasted a photo, i wouldn't trust any of his paintings are genuine

Kek to the max.

>genuine

Oh gods, never change /ic/, pls.

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>>1815775
shitty lineart for a dirty photos and filters

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>>1815781
XD

>> No.1815814

>>1815791
>sketch has shitty lineart
Really? No way! What a fucking hack! Go study your fundamentals fucking Maciej! Unfriend! Unfollow! Block! Deactivate Facebook account! disconnect router! Shit on my hard drive! Burn all my sketchbooks! Change career goal! GODDAMN MACIEJ PIECE OF FUCKING SHITS

>> No.1815825

>>1815814
BLACK AND WHITE SKETCH*

>> No.1816284

>>1813371
>everything in image is at a different resolution

My god that mayan shit is horrible...Also that huge dial is pixelated as fuck.

>> No.1816386

>>1812589
If you tried to make fun of OP’s pic
I think you need to do it the same quality within lunch time
Otherwise you just proved OP’s artist spend quite an amount of sweat and tears to puzzle a good one, unlike yours

>> No.1816389

>>1816386
>I think you need to do it the same quality

why would he want to make it shittier?

>> No.1816486

>>1816389
cause OP's quite good, as far as I'm concerned

>> No.1816627

what softwere is this pollac useing to do 3d model ? or is it defoult model ?

>> No.1816628

>>1816627
hammer

>> No.1816629

>>1812339
TORRENT WHEN ?

>> No.1816991

>>1816629

This. there'es like a 600gb bounty on cgpeers for all 3

>> No.1817079

Go back to learning fundamentals and practice practice practice instead of looking for tutorials.